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Title: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on April 13, 2011, 05:20:16 AM
Additional character costumes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M5twW63qDE

Discuss...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on April 13, 2011, 05:39:45 AM
wait whut???

wouldn't this cause problems with the CSP?
in meaning the filesize.

until we can make like an external system much like Gecko's unlimited codes. for unlimited filesize, then i'll feel comfortable using this.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Puraidou on April 13, 2011, 05:48:13 AM
Holy [censored], if this works on Gecko i'm using this! :D


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on April 13, 2011, 05:54:51 AM
It probably doesn't, for you see. Dantarion uses Riivolution.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Puraidou on April 13, 2011, 06:00:26 AM
It probably doesn't, for you see. Dantarion uses Riivolution.
Exactly why i said if ;)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on April 13, 2011, 06:28:28 AM
lolz.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ShadowSnake on April 13, 2011, 06:49:14 AM
did he say when he will release this?

i wander how he made this possilble anyways.... :>.>:

hes done it again!


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on April 13, 2011, 06:56:48 AM
i smell something like oneslot PSAs coming too or more char .rel files  :af2: damn i needing that Code  want so many vertexs/texture but need more slots for them :D


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on April 13, 2011, 07:58:13 AM
What is this black magic?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Rayn on April 13, 2011, 08:03:23 AM
Holy mothaflippin shiz-nuggets. He's actually done it.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 08:38:08 AM
Oh [censored]. OH [censored].

Tell me it can me in PAL too.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on April 13, 2011, 08:45:00 AM
Oh [censored]. OH [censored].

Tell me it can me in PAL too.
i just know some awesome things like that is not for PAL like many others things


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 08:50:03 AM
...Not being for PAL is awesome? -_-

I should gut you for saying that. >_> It's like PAL always has been the garbage bin of Brawl hacking. Freaking hell, I shouldn't be forced to get the US version just to get this working. What's with PAL always being the [censored] butt monkeys? Explain, people!

Fantastic Racism much?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 13, 2011, 09:01:39 AM
...Not being for PAL is awesome? -_-

I should gut you for saying that. >_> It's like PAL always has been the garbage bin of Brawl hacking. Freaking hell, I shouldn't be forced to get the US version just to get this working. What's with PAL always being the [censored] butt monkeys? Explain, people!

Fantastic Racism much?

It's jsut the fact every (At least most) god hacker of Brawl use NTSCU and hack NTSC U. So yeah, you could consider NTSC J and PAL the butt monkeys.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Akiba Red on April 13, 2011, 09:21:36 AM
...Not being for PAL is awesome? -_-

I should gut you for saying that. >_> It's like PAL always has been the garbage bin of Brawl hacking. Freaking hell, I shouldn't be forced to get the US version just to get this working. What's with PAL always being the [censored] butt monkeys? Explain, people!

Fantastic Racism much?
I don't see why it can't be for PAL...all he did (I think) was rewrite/add directories and make custom names for the costume file names....


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on April 13, 2011, 09:27:21 AM
Clone engine,Stage Roster Expansion,File patcher code with music working,getting alloys to CSS,alot of PSAs with working SFX/SFX packs and for sure more is not for PAL so i dont think that will work for pal too


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 09:35:32 AM
I don't see why it can't be for PAL...all he did (I think) was rewrite/add directories and make custom names for the costume file names....

There may be hope just yet, then.

Clone engine,Stage Roster Expansion,File patcher code with music working,getting alloys to CSS,alot of PSAs with working SFX/SFX packs and for sure more is not for PAL so i dont think that will work for pal too

Clone Engine I don't give a crap about (clones were removed in Melee, why are we adding them back AGAIN after complaining about them?), Stage Roster Expansion is meh (The only stages I've wanted to hack were Pictochat, Hanenbow, and all the Melee stages except Big Blue, and I've set up Riivolution to change a specific stage on Hanenbow so I can change a stage when I want to), File Patcher Code is fail (Hi Riivolution doing a better job at it), Alloys are a joke (OH GOODIE I CAN PLAY WITH B-ATTACKLESS CLONES... would be better to just port the models to the original characters), and PSAs being silent are the least of my worries (Makes Max Onslaught much less annoying, and Gray Fox much more epic).


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: libertyernie on April 13, 2011, 09:42:49 AM
That stuff would all be possible on PAL, just nobody has made the codes for it.

And the Clone Engline isn't really for clones. It would be intended for people who want to add PSAs without replacing the original characters.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Jaklub on April 13, 2011, 09:47:47 AM
There may be hope just yet, then.
If it was that simple, it probably would have been done dozens of times already.
Clone Engine I don't give a crap about (clones were removed in Melee, why are we adding them back AGAIN after complaining about them?), Stage Roster Expansion is meh (The only stages I've wanted to hack were Pictochat, Hanenbow, and all the Melee stages except Big Blue, and I've set up Riivolution to change a specific stage on Hanenbow so I can change a stage when I want to), File Patcher Code is fail (Hi Riivolution doing a better job at it), Alloys are a joke (OH GOODIE I CAN PLAY WITH B-ATTACKLESS CLONES... would be better to just port the models to the original characters), and PSAs being silent are the least of my worries (Makes Max Onslaught much less annoying, and Gray Fox much more epic).
To have no barriers while installing Brawl hacks, you HAVE to get NTSC-U.

Sad.

And you clearly don't know what Clone Engine is really for. (personally, I believe this stuff will never ever get finished, but hopefully I'm wrong)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on April 13, 2011, 09:48:27 AM
There may be hope just yet, then.

Clone Engine I don't give a crap about (clones were removed in Melee, why are we adding them back AGAIN after complaining about them?)

Do you even understand what the clone engine is?  Judging from the idiocy of this comment, no you probably don't.  

Melee's clones and clone engine clones are two completely different concepts.  For one, Melee clones were characters claiming to be new ones but they clearly weren't.  They were a waste of a slot.  The Clone Engine means that you get an exact duplicate of an already existing character.  At the moment, it just works for replacing (i.e. porting Ike) which means that you can have multiple hacked characters that use Ike as a basis (i.e. Cloud+Naurto+Ike etc) whilst getting rid of useless characters.  As time progresses, they may even be able to add entirely new characters (this is unlikely though due to file constraints)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Jaklub on April 13, 2011, 09:50:07 AM
Melee's clones and clone engine clones are two completely different concepts.  For one, Melee clones were characters claiming to be new ones but they clearly weren't.  They were a waste of a slot.  The Clone Engine means that you get an exact duplicate of an already existing character.  At the moment, it just works for replacing (i.e. porting Ike) which means that you can have multiple hacked characters that use Ike as a basis (i.e. Cloud+Naurto+Ike etc) whilst getting rid of useless characters.  As time progresses, they may even be able to add entirely new characters (this is unlikely though due to file constraints)
Hey, aren't the file constraints the problem of Gecko?

(if not, please correct)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
I know what the Clone Engine is for which is exactly why I'm not giving a crap about it. I don't need another version of a character on the roster with different moves, I'm fine with just the vertexes of the characters themselves. (CloudIke for example)

But this Additional Costume thing? It's a bloody must.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on April 13, 2011, 09:51:48 AM
Actually, most of the Hacking gods are NTSC-U AND NTSC-J(Don't Forget Y.S and Bero).

At one point there were porters, but they have been MIA for 2 years.

Nice to see more slots, but that common5.pac file size limit is a annoying. If only someone tested this theory but with the CSS pac.

Quote
I have found a way to use 176x176 ssp images, so it won't be needed to resize images:

If you only use a sc_selmap.pac whose size is bigger than original the game will freeze, but if you replace your custom sc_selmap.pac in the common5.pac too and use wiiscrubber to insert both (the modified common5.pac and sc_selmap.pac) in a .iso the game won't crash. I have tested it only replacing with wiiscrubber and works but I haven't tried the file patch code (although I think it does not work).

Then, my hypotesis is that sc_selmap_en, sc_selcharacter_en and sc_selcharacter2_en are size-dependant (they haven't a real filesize limit). The filesize of all of them should be less than the filesize that each one would occupy in the common5.pac file.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 13, 2011, 10:11:58 AM
Actually, most of the Hacking gods are NTSC-U AND NTSC-J(Don't Forget Y.S and Bero).

At one point there were porters, but they have been MIA for 2 years.

Nice to see more slots, but that common5.pac file size limit is a annoying. If only someone tested this theory but with the CSS pac.


Though, Bero is working with NTSC-U and try to port his work and others' works for NTSC J after.

DDM: Your goals concerning the Brawl Hacking community are just too little. Everyone knows you're just interested in CSS Expansion (You said it over the Clone Engine Progression Thread, the Stage Roster Expansion thread, and over any thread regarding a new code or hack being developed) but, it being your only concern doesn't meanms it's gotta be ours. So please, you and the rest, stop this debate. lol


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: OmegaMalkior on April 13, 2011, 03:36:36 PM
Meh, good hack but for me it is unnecessary.
He should concentrate on the Clone Engine :>.>:


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
You call them too little, I call them "godlike" in terms of PAL extreme hacks. With all due respect, I'd just want this to be ported first -- the others can be ported in their own time, but until I somehow manage to grow bored of having more than 6 costumes on characters, that's the only one I'd ever need to lengthen the lifetime of my Brawl.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: xZedkiel on April 13, 2011, 03:51:07 PM
...Not being for PAL is awesome? -_-

I should gut you for saying that. >_> It's like PAL always has been the garbage bin of Brawl hacking. Freaking hell, I shouldn't be forced to get the US version just to get this working. What's with PAL always being the [censored] butt monkeys? Explain, people!



Fantastic Racism much?
He didn't say not being for Pal is awesome, he said that usually all the good stuff like this is never Pal...

Also, it wouldn't make sense if Naruto fought with a backwards Kunai and summoned random meteors now would it? Clone Engine isn't for making the same character over another. It allows you to have even more. Like Sephiroth vs Kratos Aurion.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 04:01:04 PM
To have no barriers while installing Brawl hacks, you HAVE to get NTSC-U.

The thing is, even if I did get US Brawl, the barrier would still remain to everyone else in the PAL region. We're not talking about people that already made the switch (not that it would help destroy said barrier, but whatever), I'm talking about semi-average people who just got hacks on their Wii and just heard of this. They have no expertise on getting the US version, so then what? Are they just tossed aside like tissues?

Hell, maybe if we had someone else just as epic with enough time to port the codes to PAL, or make their own awesome codes, it would be a different story. In fact, for all we know, it could either be three to six lines of code.

Also, it wouldn't make sense if Naruto fought with a backwards Kunai and summoned random meteors now would it? Clone Engine isn't for making the same character over another. It allows you to have even more. Like Sephiroth vs Kratos Aurion.

You didn't get my way of explaining -- what I meant is that I'd only want the vertexes themselves over Ike. If I want to play as Cloud, I'll turn on his PSA on Riivolution. If I want to play as Naruto (even if I don't particularly like him), I'll turn on his PSA on Riivolution. Sure, it may be weird and nonsensical, but if we're going by that logic, how can ROB move he was supposed to be a mostly inanimate object? >_>


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: OmegaMalkior on April 13, 2011, 04:04:22 PM
Clone engine is better than more costume slots.
'nuff said


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 04:10:09 PM
Haha, yes, clones of characters over "useless" characters is much better than actually giving more choices to the "useless" characters, having a wide and varied range of costumes.

nope.avi

At best though, probably mixing both... that should be enough to house all the Shadow hacks for Sonic while putting him in a slot different than Sonic's.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Difegue on April 13, 2011, 04:10:36 PM
Besides, any hard PAL player(like me) would lose all their saved stats and stuff by moving to NTSC. And that's a huge no for me. >_>

Now, does it pisses me off to not have access to the clone engine or the stage expansion? It certainly does because I don't like replacing stages, but I have to deal with it. :(


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: OmegaMalkior on April 13, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Haha, yes, adding new characters like Cloud, Shadow and Mewtwo instead of replacing others is much better than actually giving more choices to the "useless" characters, having a wide and varied range of costumes.

nope.avi

At best though, probably mixing both... that should be enough to house all the Shadow hacks for Sonic while putting him in a slot different than Sonic's.
Fixed >.>


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SmashClash on April 13, 2011, 04:18:35 PM
@Difegue-
Do you mean wanting to have the game beaten?(Cuz there's a code for Completely beating the game) or do you mean the stats in the "Data" section?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: OmegaMalkior on April 13, 2011, 04:23:49 PM
Dang I was about to say that!


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Alex Climax on April 13, 2011, 04:25:12 PM
Thats awesome o_o i would love to use that XD


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 04:28:13 PM
Fixed >.>

Don't fix what wasn't broken by adding three overrated characters to that list.

Besides, any hard PAL player(like me) would lose all their saved stats and stuff by moving to NTSC. And that's a huge no for me. >_>

Now, does it pisses me off to not have access to the clone engine or the stage expansion? It certainly does because I don't like replacing stages, but I have to deal with it. :(

So bloody true. *bro-fist*

@Difegue-
Do you mean wanting to have the game beaten?(Cuz there's a code for Completely beating the game) or do you mean the stats in the "Data" section?

No, ALL the game stats. The name stats, game stats, record stats... some of us prefer putting hard work into our games instead of taking the easy route.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Difegue on April 13, 2011, 04:32:03 PM
No, ALL the game stats. The name stats, game stats, record stats... some of us prefer putting hard work into our games instead of taking the easy route.

(http://static.tumblr.com/3ozze5k/NCElh7cvx/falcon_yes.png)

(Besides, I don't even have all the stickers yet...)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 04:36:05 PM
I don't have all the stickers nor all the trophies, and I'm trying hard to 100% SSE, while finishing Event Mode on Hard.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SmashClash on April 13, 2011, 04:39:40 PM
Yeah, I got SSBB the day it came out and I beat it 100% everything and I mean eeeverything on November 28th, 2008.
So it took me 8 months and 20 days minus the 4 months of summer brawling with my friends.


Btw, Hard on SSE? I do Intense on SSE. No offense. [/rhyme+1]


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 04:41:08 PM
Oh, I do Hard on Intense. If the level is incomplete, I up the difficulty.

In fact, once I 100% SSE, I'll go through alls tages in Intense Mode.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SmashClash on April 13, 2011, 04:41:55 PM
Ok.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Difegue on April 13, 2011, 04:42:44 PM
I have like 99% on SSE. I have like one box left in the great maze :srs:
About the trophies, I'm missing a few subspace enemies and the one you get when you have all the stickers. :af:

Also, going through the SSE with Max Onslaught Falcon is fun. I can play it normally on Hard with Ness through.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: OmegaMalkior on April 13, 2011, 04:43:12 PM
That's not what I meant!!

What I mean is that the clone engine is replacing other characters with other character, the clone engine is adding new characters without replacing others.

That's what I meant -_-

@Difegue, STICKERS ARE USELESS, ALL THEY DO IS BOTHER YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF MATCH WHEN YOUR MAKING AN ATTACK TO CHANGE IT (running with falco to make up-smash, sticker gets in way and changes attack to side-A running ò_ó)

What purpose do they have?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Difegue on April 13, 2011, 04:44:26 PM
lmao, never got a sticker to bother me with that, actually in match whenever one drops I always try to grab it because I kinda want to get the 12 or so I'm missing :af:


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 13, 2011, 04:47:41 PM
Maybe we like being perfectionists on completing the game? Maybe they're like virtual baseball cards that we used to collect when we were kids? (I personally collected marbles from winning the other kids, but yeah) Stickers don't really bother me, but it's their uselessness that drives you to love them. All in all, they're sub-trophies, each hand-picked randomly to be collected by you to add to your collection. They're also great for SSE.

If only you could use them in regular matches, that would be awesome.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on April 13, 2011, 05:47:17 PM
Yeah...thanks for the completely pointless and off topic argument everyone. 

Seriously people, what the hell is the point.  All you're doing is trying to hammer each others opinions into each others heads and you're all failing miserably.  Is it so hard to accept each other's different views? 


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Psycho Philia on April 13, 2011, 05:57:05 PM
SilentDoom: I will answer you, it seems indeed that hard, or this discussion wouldn't have happened... Honestly, you're totally free to have your opinion about the question, personally I don't agree with LC-DDM opinion, but I respect it, he thinks what he wants about something, and besides, how can you compare two things COMPLETELY different? The costume added, and the clone engine are two completely different things, how can you say that one thing is better than the other? I use the term better because it was the one used by someone.

Honestly, if you're not able to respect the opinions of other people, you shouldn't post. As simple as that.

And an other thing, do you think Dantarion would be happy to see what happens on this topic? To see that his work leads to a fight of opinions because you're not able to accept other opinions than yours? It wouldn't be surprising to know that dantarion hates this topic, and if it is the case, it would have been really fast to make him think this...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: RandomTBush on April 13, 2011, 06:00:25 PM
Awesome, I've always been wanting some more character costume slots! For some of the characters, there doesn't really seem to be enough (like Pikachu, for instance), and some have lots of alternate costumes I like that I've had to leave out because of not having the room for 'em.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Rayn on April 13, 2011, 06:06:18 PM
And an other thing, do you think Dantarion would be happy to see what happens on this topic? To see that his work leads to a fight of opinions because you're not able to accept other opinions than yours?
Quoted for truth.
500 post get!! [/noob-posting]


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 13, 2011, 10:37:02 PM
NTSC-U hackers are hacking the game for their own use, and we all should be glad they're sharing their work with the community, now, do you really think any NTSC-U hacker give a damn about PAL or NTSC-J? It's not a matter of making it easier for PAL users or NTSC-J users that want to save their save, it won't get them any credit or any fame, everyone'd just download and use, they're already doing too much for NTSC-U and all they get is a "Thanks!", do you really think they;d go as far as to port 'em for the regions they don't play to just receive a "Thanks!"? I'm not even sure how can they share their work with us.

Also, if you're into Brawl Hacking, having your Wii use NTSC-U won't be too dificult, some codes over here are way more complex than the step by step guide to make your Wii be regionfree.

ON-Topic: If someone does looks into that of replacing the common5.pac on the ISO with higher size and still working... I, myself, will test this ISO thing. I just can't believe it.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 14, 2011, 06:49:10 AM
So what you're saying is that the PAL using people should belong in the crapper just because they don't have the OH SO GODLY gift of being in the same region as you? I'm pretty sure epic hackers don't do it for the "credit" or the "fame", but rather to expand the game boundaries themselves. Also, on "everyone'd just download and use"... hmm, I'm pretty sure the US people who use the codes also do that. Unless you use it without downloading it in which case you must be a magical wizard of sorts. Wait, wait, I get it, you're saying they can recieve a "Thanks" from the US people but not from the PAL people who would obviously do the same as the US people (say thanks, download, and play it)? Am I missing something here? Are the PAL users suddenly from another world?

You're assuming, AGAIN, that some people know how to hack the Wii enough to have it Wiigion free (might wanna shoot me for that word now...). You're forgetting the teens that just got into it, the ones that all they know how to do is boot up the HBC and use Gecko to run downloaded codesets. What about those? Should they be shunned too, PAL or US? I mean, you're still keeping the PAL barrier (using the US version on an European Wii doesn't fix the problem of not having ported codes, y'know).

Yes, I know Dantarion has worked his ass off to get this working, and maybe getting it to work in PAL (either by him or anyone else porting the codes) is too much of a hassle, but if we're going by that logic, him getting this to work in US was a hassle in and of itself. So why not throw the PAL users a bone for a change? Look at what B+ and P:M did, they made it so PAL users didn't get the short end of the stick. You have to have respect for that, because they did what other people wish they could do: Bring the community together without regional differences.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on April 14, 2011, 07:07:48 AM
While I may not agree with all of LC's points, I do think it's annoying that PAL players are considered minor priority, and it's not just Brawl.

Every game almost takes SO MUCH LONGER to come out there, then here, or Japan, maybe these hackers could get a PAL IOS, and see how it's different, then maybe make some changes to their programming... Although, I guess this would be very hard...

Still, I feel PAL players are toss aside too much... Heck, I'm not a PAL player, and I still think this, it is rather wrong also to toss that statement aside, it's just that simple, basically, hacking is saying, "GO HOME AND BE AMERICAN! **** YOU PAL PLAYERS!"

...Okay, maybe not that, but still, I wish some PAL hacker who knew all this stuff could help out.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 14, 2011, 07:50:50 AM
So what you're saying is that the PAL using people should belong in the crapper just because they don't have the OH SO GODLY gift of being in the same region as you? I'm pretty sure epic hackers don't do it for the "credit" or the "fame", but rather to expand the game boundaries themselves. Also, on "everyone'd just download and use"... hmm, I'm pretty sure the US people who use the codes also do that. Unless you use it without downloading it in which case you must be a magical wizard of sorts. Wait, wait, I get it, you're saying they can recieve a "Thanks" from the US people but not from the PAL people who would obviously do the same as the US people (say thanks, download, and play it)? Am I missing something here? Are the PAL users suddenly from another world? You're assuming, AGAIN, that some people know how to hack the Wii enough to have it Wiigion free (might wanna shoot me for that word now...). You're forgetting the teens that just got into it, the ones that all they know how to do is boot up the HBC and use Gecko to run downloaded codesets. What about those? Should they be shunned too, PAL or US? I mean, you're still keeping the PAL barrier (using the US version on an European Wii doesn't fix the problem of not having ported codes, y'know).

Yes, I know Dantarion has worked his ass off to get this working, and maybe getting it to work in PAL (either by him or anyone else porting the codes) is too much of a hassle, but if we're going by that logic, him getting this to work in US was a hassle in and of itself. So why not throw the PAL users a bone for a change? Look at what B+ and P:M did, they made it so PAL users didn't get the short end of the stick. You have to have respect for that, because they did what other people wish they could do: Bring the community together without regional differences.

I never said that, I just said that it remains a fact that the NTSC-U hackers are hacking for themselves and none of 'em don't really care about the other regions. I'd be neat to have it on PAL (I myself have a PAL version of Brawl, I just love the spanish accent they got. XD) but we're facing a reality here, the only ones that'd port codes to PAL are the PAL user hackers, and those aren't as Godlike as the NTSC-U. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's what it is, and you complaining like this about it won't change anything, I mean, you don't have nothing to encourage them to do it other than whining, and of course, not only you, none of us do, they're doing these hacks 'cause they feel like it, not 'cause they have to, and having them work on other versions as well, what for? They only care for their version.

You can mix my words and take them however you want, my point stays clear and true. -__-

And you DO love to argue, wow! If youre need for arguments made you blind, I'll happily clarify:

everyone'd just download and use, they're already doing too much for NTSC-U and all they get is a "Thanks!", do you really think they;d go as far as to port 'em for the regions they don't play to just receive a "Thanks!"? I'm not even sure how can they share their work with us.

I there said "everyone'd just download and use, they're already doing too much for NTSC-U and all they get is a "Thanks!", do you really think they;d go as far as to port 'em for the regions they don't play to just receive a "Thanks!"? " which explains itself, we (NTSC-U users) just give 'em a "Thanks!" and use their stuff, would PAL do any diferent? Is them porting it worth it for a "Thanks!" They're already sharing work with NTSC-U that we don't deserve.

Project: M and Brawl+ are projects that even have some PAL users in their developers team, and even if not, they wanted their game  to be played Wolrdwide. As much as Dantarion would love to port to the other regions, he wouln't, he's really tired of the NTSC-U community, and the PAL community won't be better, I mean, just look at how you're whining about the codes not beeing ported, how do you think he'd feel if he read this?

Concerning the Region Free hacking, if you're into Stage Roster Expansion, Alternate Stage Loader, these two are way more complex than hacking the Wii to be regionfree which is a step by step guide. Also, conerning the save and completition data? At least I don't care about it, and I'm sure you're of the minority that does care. I've gotten into completing it a bit, but that's when I have like nothing else to do with my life
What you're asking is for full development on Brawl, isn't that a BIT too much? And even being too much, you're whining and arguing about how this SHOULD BE made! Are you reading yourself? Seriously? Just go and help the rest of PAL porters if you want it this bad instead of whining everytime this is commented about.

I'm sorry for the OFF-Topic, ds22.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 14, 2011, 07:54:26 AM
People, get back on topic now.
This thread is about adding character costumes, not about the whole PAL coding issue.
Please refrain from discussing this in this thread.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 14, 2011, 08:01:50 AM
I'd love to try this out, i'll add a common5 that freezes for me (libertyernie's common5 for Classic Expansion Stage) with the addition of 256 colors CSPs of Cloud over Olimar (Comparing their file size, Cloud's were above 20 KBs while Olimar's are of 10 KB each) and see if it doesn't freeze...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Jaklub on April 14, 2011, 08:04:16 AM
New costumes slots, even if not as awesome as the clone engine, are still great.

I'm looking forward the release.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 14, 2011, 08:34:27 AM
But wait, if they ported the PAL codes, wouldn't they be just as godlike? Maybe not in US eyes, but in PAL eyes they would be deserving of a medal for achieving in PAL what was already done in US. Maybe a shoddy reason for credit, yes, but a reason is a reason nonetheless. I don't have nothing to encourage the porting because there's really no point in trying to encourage someone that, as you said, only focuses on the US side of things. With that, I'd rather encourage the PAL side of things instead. Sure it may fall on deaf ears, but at least I'm bloody trying the best I can to attempt something of the sort. Hell, I've tried and failed brilliantly at learning how to port myself, so it's well known that it's no walk in the park, which is why it should be left to the more well known and more intelligent people like Dant or an European porter. Hell, maybe if Dant had both version we would see those at the same time?

Though I don't think PAL would do different than saying an European "thanks/merci/danke/gracias/grazie", porting it for a "Thanks" is about as worth it as making it in the first place for a "Thanks". >_>;

P:M and B+ are just two great examples of small communities who want the hacks to be played Worldwide. I put it to you, why couldn't other hackers set aside the differences? Yes, maybe the PAL community wouldn't be better, but then again, other than the regular codes (character modifiers and stuff), we don't really have that big of a list on codes compared to the US, which has better response to it simply 'cause most of the community is located in the USA. And even if I "whine" as you say, I'm sure I'm not the only one that complains sometimes, and I'm sure it's not the PAL faction that "whines" sometimes, either. Remember how the Clone Engine is still being urged by people who're "whining" to be finished?

Again, as complex as they are, don't forget we still have many users who just got into the whole hacking business. Don't expect them to know how to hack the Wii regionfree firsthand, nor apply the codes to their own personal GCT files. Baby steps are the key. Maybe you don't care about the save data, but when you're putting over two to three years of work to get the 100% (not whole days of nothing but playing, just the afternoons and weekends), and then you're told to screw all that effort in order to get the hacks you mentioned above just to expand the life time... wouldn't you be iffed yourself to have it all go down the drain just for an epic hack? I'm not asking for full, complete development. What I'm asking is just for this set hack to be ported. The other epic hacks can take their own time to be ported. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like this along with other epic hacks (though I prioritize as this over the others), but PAL always gets shoved aside in everything. So, maybe once, just once, there should be a small light in the darkness of PAL hacking.

Of course this will all be moot when someone develops a program to convert hacks from NTSC to PAL and vice versa. :af:

Wall of text aside, I can't wait for this to be released.  *cough* >_>
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnwarn.gif) Going off topic again after being warned not to.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 14, 2011, 09:00:29 AM
But wait, if they ported the PAL codes, wouldn't they be just as godlike? Maybe not in US eyes, but in PAL eyes they would be deserving of a medal for achieving in PAL what was already done in US. Maybe a shoddy reason for credit, yes, but a reason is a reason nonetheless. I don't have nothing to encourage the porting because there's really no point in trying to encourage someone that, as you said, only focuses on the US side of things. With that, I'd rather encourage the PAL side of things instead. Sure it may fall on deaf ears, but at least I'm bloody trying the best I can to attempt something of the sort. Hell, I've tried and failed brilliantly at learning how to port myself, so it's well known that it's no walk in the park, which is why it should be left to the more well known and more intelligent people like Dant or an European porter. Hell, maybe if Dant had both version we would see those at the same time?

Though I don't think PAL would do different than saying an European "thanks/merci/danke/gracias/grazie", porting it for a "Thanks" is about as worth it as making it in the first place for a "Thanks". >_>;

P:M and B+ are just two great examples of small communities who want the hacks to be played Worldwide. I put it to you, why couldn't other hackers set aside the differences? Yes, maybe the PAL community wouldn't be better, but then again, other than the regular codes (character modifiers and stuff), we don't really have that big of a list on codes compared to the US, which has better response to it simply 'cause most of the community is located in the USA. And even if I "whine" as you say, I'm sure I'm not the only one that complains sometimes, and I'm sure it's not the PAL faction that "whines" sometimes, either. Remember how the Clone Engine is still being urged by people who're "whining" to be finished?

Again, as complex as they are, don't forget we still have many users who just got into the whole hacking business. Don't expect them to know how to hack the Wii regionfree firsthand, nor apply the codes to their own personal GCT files. Baby steps are the key. Maybe you don't care about the save data, but when you're putting over two to three years of work to get the 100% (not whole days of nothing but playing, just the afternoons and weekends), and then you're told to screw all that effort in order to get the hacks you mentioned above just to expand the life time... wouldn't you be iffed yourself to have it all go down the drain just for an epic hack? I'm not asking for full, complete development. What I'm asking is just for this set hack to be ported. The other epic hacks can take their own time to be ported. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like this along with other epic hacks (though I prioritize as this over the others), but PAL always gets shoved aside in everything. So, maybe once, just once, there should be a small light in the darkness of PAL hacking.

Of course this will all be moot when someone develops a program to convert hacks from NTSC to PAL and vice versa. :af:

Wall of text aside, I can't wait for this to be released.  *cough* >_>

It'd be nice if they could port it, 'cause as I said, I use PAL myself, as well as NTSC-U, what I've been trying to say is that it'll be REALLY hard to find a NTSC-U (Which are the "godlike" coders on this year) be interested in porting it to PAL or NTSC-J, that's where people like Bero comes to the play (Bero's a porter to NTSC-J).

I, at least, don't care about my save data, I only did the Sub Space Emmysary to unlock the characters fast, instead of playing 450 matches to do so, but I know some people do care, but the code makers do the codes for their likings and mst of the time ignore the community because all we're doing is begging for something that they're doing for fun.

On Topic: <.> Nothing 'til I try my ISO. lol


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on April 14, 2011, 09:16:57 AM
Actually, that brings up an interesting point. Isn't US->JPN porting easier than US->PAL? o_o


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Jaklub on April 14, 2011, 10:21:18 AM
Actually, that brings up an interesting point. Isn't US->JPN porting easier than US->PAL? o_o
Yes. Probably because of all the additional language data.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Plak on April 14, 2011, 11:57:02 AM
Wow, that's amazing ! According to the blog post, this will let us use 4 additional slots, which should be more than enough. Additional Dr.Mario costumes does make sense, since Mario and Doc have been merged in project M. Does anyone knows if he got around file limitations, as Project M officially supports Gecko ?

(Dantarion said somewhere he planned to port Project:M on PAL after he's done with the NTSC-U version, so this code is very likely to be ported as well. Also, there's no need for a specific hack to play NTSC-U discs, Riivolution and Gecko OS are both region-free, even using StackSmash on an unmodded wii)



Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: secretchaos1 on April 22, 2011, 05:59:33 AM
I've got as many costume slots ready to be filled as I can now =3 Just afew characters that are lacking good hacks that don't have the total 10 ready. Just gotta make the CSPs for them and I'll be ready to test this out on release =P
Hopefully we can get an update on how this will affect Jiggs and G & W. Male and Female G & W's would be amusing. Hehe, demostic violence in the smash world.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on April 22, 2011, 07:05:22 PM
stupid argument is stupid.

i've got a pal wii, and i use neogamma and i use a NTSU brawl version.

not hard dudes... i mean its... not... hard....................

sucked for me for like a year until i went out and read and learn how to modify a wii truly. now it can play movies and watch internet streams.

if you troll me, i swear i'll ignore it.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ItalianStallion on April 22, 2011, 07:35:43 PM
*Discusses*

I saw this on my Youtube Subscriptions about a week ago when it was posted.

He does it again for sure.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 22, 2011, 09:10:48 PM
stupid argument is stupid.

i've got a pal wii, and i use neogamma and i use a NTSU brawl version.

not hard dudes... i mean its... not... hard....................

sucked for me for like a year until i went out and read and learn how to modify a wii truly. now it can play movies and watch internet streams.

if you troll me, i swear i'll ignore it.

The argument is over, you're the one trolling here. (And the argument wasn't about that you explainer, really)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: secretchaos1 on April 22, 2011, 10:21:39 PM
Got all the csps made for this now too, spent all day on it lol. All I've got left to do is wait for the release =3


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on April 23, 2011, 01:37:25 AM
REALLY looking forward to this, sounds like AWESOME news.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on April 23, 2011, 02:51:15 AM
It is indeed awesome.


and that post was sitting on my computer for like 5 hours, i left and came back and pressed post. i didn't notice the newer posts. i sorta am busy.

Samus having more costumes cannot wait. oh and Princess peach having more costumes... FLIPPIN SWEET


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 23, 2011, 05:46:27 AM
Even so, the discussion ended days ago, but it doesn't matters.

All I want is Ike's and Marth's extra costumes.. XD


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on April 23, 2011, 07:19:08 AM
Need moar Peach slots.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on April 23, 2011, 08:07:28 AM
Need moar Peach vertexes without PeachKs face D: (I just hate Peach's goofy face -__-)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: secretchaos1 on April 23, 2011, 02:32:13 PM
Wolfric's right, though there are some with the face altered now. Vertextures just don't look as good to me when I can see the original face in them.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on April 23, 2011, 02:36:12 PM
Snake, Ike, Marth and Zero Suit Samus are in desperate need of more Slots.

And agreed, more Peach hacks WITHOUT her ugly mug are needed.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: DannyDirnt on April 25, 2011, 02:22:39 AM
Well,if it's not gonna be for PAL,I guess that's so good that someone will port it quickly,I think...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on April 25, 2011, 02:59:29 AM
I'd like to know a  tentative date, 'cause this is big news for me and will this work in conjunction with Brawl+? Any idea?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: secretchaos1 on April 25, 2011, 11:07:31 AM
Dant hasn't really said anything on this in over a week. I assume he's either had more to do with it than he planned (considering his beta build of the program took 2 - 3 days) or he's run into troubles that've slowed the project down. Regardless, I'm paitiently awaiting the release although I do check the Brawl Masquerade preview page for updates every day.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on April 25, 2011, 01:19:57 PM
Yeah me too, it's gonna be worth waiting for it, whaddya think of it being compatible with large codes like Brawl+? Any ideas? :s


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on April 25, 2011, 01:25:35 PM
It should be.

I don't see why people constantly ask whether something works with B+, B-, etc.
It's not as if they're entirely new games with a different structure.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on April 25, 2011, 02:11:43 PM
Heh, Sorry, better be sure, I don't want to get excited for something I wouldn't be able to use.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: secretchaos1 on April 25, 2011, 09:21:57 PM
I don't use any brawl mods, Idc enough about playing competitively. Extra costumes don't serve any competitive purpose anyway XD I just like to keep my game fairly balanced. Any movesets with moves that are explicitly cheap I like to stay away from... Or I will be like that until every character has a cheap moveset =3


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on April 26, 2011, 12:19:31 AM
I like being capable of doing more than what normal Brawl is capable, I like all 4 mayor mods so that's why I asked.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: secretchaos1 on May 02, 2011, 04:06:16 PM
I might give one of the other Brawl mods a try sometime. Just to mix it up, though with all the custom movesets I use it probably wouldn't work well XD


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on July 27, 2011, 04:29:42 PM
So whatever happened to this project? it's been a long time since it was announced >_>

Did I miss something?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 04:36:12 PM
it's dantarion...

he's just a hype machine that doesn't give you the soda afterward


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on July 27, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
it's dantarion...

he's just a hype machine that doesn't give you the soda afterward
It's sad, but true.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on July 27, 2011, 05:46:17 PM
Well, no point in brooding over something that doesn't exist...


yet.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 06:14:55 PM


i mean, look at phantomwings, he gave us a .rel...

and Dantarion hasn't promised us anything besides some of his early work. but it usually involved music... phantomwing's gave us an epic stage system. dantarion's been working on projectM...



Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Infernape on July 27, 2011, 06:56:17 PM
This Might be off topic but it is true that dantarion is done with brawl hacking? i have hear that wanna see if it T Or F


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 07:10:26 PM
I think it's true look at his twitter, he's like working on like Capcom or Tatsunoko or something or rather.

no responsibility in that man.. i swear . and to still think i donated 10 dollars to him.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on July 27, 2011, 07:27:05 PM
SSF4 AE to be exact.
And the day he actually does keep his word is the day that Phantom Wings suddenly becomes extremely active.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on July 27, 2011, 07:33:08 PM
lollololexactsameperson.

:D


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 07:35:51 PM
what's SSF4 Super Smash Flash 4??/

why work on something like that? if that's what it is.

and lol on teh last one


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on July 27, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
Super Street Fighter 4?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 07:44:52 PM


ofcourse it's gotta be something gay and over used as hell..

that's why he's lame sometimes... we were so close to having extra slots EXTRA SLOTS...

[censored] you Dantarion.. [censored] you...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: libertyernie on July 27, 2011, 07:46:12 PM
I thought he was working on MvC3.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 07:47:53 PM

who cares what he's working on. he's lame...
 
i told you guys, we would never get the clone engine.. i mean we have it, but not as we intended...

and dantarion wanted to prove me wrong HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH he failed...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on July 27, 2011, 07:57:14 PM
Calm thine tits, Ultra.

I'm upset myself, but it's no reason to bash Dant for it. He does what he does. Us leechers have no right to demand so much when we can barely do anything close.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 08:01:57 PM

lol, thine tits, implying i have boobs...

no i'm mad yet glad. glad that i've won in the dantarion case, a regular guy with a GED of 4.6.

whatever, i'm happy with model porting. it's not like i care.

lol thine tits... implying i've got boobs.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on July 27, 2011, 08:03:13 PM
Silence, Ultra. I was merely addressing you as to get around the awkward fact of staring at Peach.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 08:07:45 PM


PEACHY =3

meh, i like using peach, she's so smexy... not as smexy as Zamus. but still smexy...
i'm over it now, after doing some work for Dark Samus, i seem calmed... OR AM I MWUAHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: DSX8 on July 27, 2011, 08:35:59 PM


PEACHY =3

meh, i like using peach, she's so smexy... not as smexy as Zamus. but still smexy...
i'm over it now, after doing some work for Dark Samus, i seem calmed... OR AM I MWUAHAHAHAHA
^ some1 put this guy in a mental institute o.e


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 27, 2011, 08:38:45 PM

buwt i'm aweady here

 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHMWUUAHHAHAHH CACKLE CACKLE SNARF SNARF!! but in all seriousness. Its always annoying when your let down.

oh and i've researched a little bit more. if we did some research we could barely make  the codes he gave us for roy to work. i mean, we have patched marth.rels.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: IWasAPerson on July 27, 2011, 08:45:22 PM
^ some1 put this guy in a mental institute o.e

Not yet, I need him to animate Nightmare for me first! :)

This makes me really, really want to get a USB Gecko. But yeah he's moved on to SSF4 AE, I hope he remembers that he has BrawlMasquerade at some point and releases it, even if it is a beta. Kind of a shame, but being in the Brawl community for so long I don't blame him a bit for wanting to get away from it. I just hope his codes aren't lost forever...

And I tried the roy codes with a workaround for the CSS. They plain old don't work and are example codes. ds22 told me and iirc the codes may or may not have a typo. I did a character slot swap for MarioD (where Roy's loaded) over a special Nana slot (and subsequently Mario in a clean setup) and it leads to a special crash where you can still get back to the Wii menu or reset. There's something up with it. Or maybe I could try it again with an Ike .rel...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on July 28, 2011, 12:53:19 AM
It's kind of a let down to learn that he's moved on to another game, I love SSFIV and I see why he got attracted, but I hope someone else finishes what he started.

Quote
ofcourse it's gotta be something gay and over used as hell..

Brawl is just the same.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on July 28, 2011, 01:22:30 AM
just what i think
Clone engine will be a unfinished project and this too


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Mansta8 on July 28, 2011, 03:13:19 AM
"Let's all board the hype train!" *Months later* "Where were we going again? I think the engineer jumped off the train." >.>


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on July 28, 2011, 08:39:01 AM
Uhm, it's not like Dantarion owes us these stuff. He does it if he wants to, if he only hypes and leave, he's got his reasons, as well.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Jaklub on July 28, 2011, 08:47:30 AM
Well, I wouldn't [censored] about Dantarion, because he's hosting that site (at least that's what is written in BrawlVault page).

And that man did bring us some nice stuff anyway (music codes being first thing that comes to my mind).


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ??_? on July 28, 2011, 09:33:10 AM
Damn straight, if you want a clone engine, [censored]ing constantly about it usually doesn't help.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on July 28, 2011, 09:38:22 AM
The point is that, even not [censored]ing will bring no clone engine.

Unless a wizard comes to the rescue.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Albafika on July 28, 2011, 10:12:05 AM
Well, I wouldn't [censored] about Dantarion, because he's hosting that site (at least that's what is written in BrawlVault page).

And that man did bring us some nice stuff anyway (music codes being first thing that comes to my mind).
He's hosting that site and THIS site, among others.

He's done too much, he doesn't deserves these stupid and non-based insults.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Jaklub on July 28, 2011, 11:07:17 AM
Well said.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on July 28, 2011, 03:14:52 PM
He's hosting that site and THIS site, among others.

He's done too much, he doesn't deserves these stupid and non-based insults.

Thank you, and here I was losing hope with some ungrateful comments posted before. I guess I'm gonna have to re-manage my slots then.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Anivernage on July 28, 2011, 03:24:08 PM
He's hosting that site and THIS site, among others.

He's done too much, he doesn't deserves these stupid and non-based insults.
this ^

 if he leaves at least why not he upload his incomplete job or send it to someone who can finish it.
just saying...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on July 28, 2011, 03:27:44 PM
this ^ if he leaves at least why not he upload his incomplete job or send it to someone who can finish it. just saying...
i dont think non can fix it if dant. can´t but he can atleast send it or upload it  maybe someone hidding in the world can fix it


He's hosting that site and THIS site, among others. He's done too much, he doesn't deserves these stupid and non-based insults.
and also ^this

just like a random user here(not much known before that) ported file patcher code newest version for PAL
so maybe there is still abit hope for dant´s projects to be finished


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 28, 2011, 03:57:36 PM
The clone engine was never meant to be bros.

Dantarion just gave up and moved on to "better things"

and SuperSmashBros only has 3 games, i can't count how many Street fighter games there are.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: VILE on July 28, 2011, 04:59:58 PM
The clone engine was never meant to be bros.

Dantarion just gave up and moved on to "better things"

and SuperSmashBros only has 3 games, i can't count how many Street fighter games there are.

Does it matter how many Street Fighter games there are? A game could have a million sequels and another could have one, this doesn't affect the quality or your enjoyment of the games.

Seriously, stop being a whiney little baby. If you really want this, learn assembly code and do it yourself. He has no reason to release anything he makes, especially to a community who cries and [censored]es like this.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 28, 2011, 06:35:27 PM

Yeah, the day i learn assembly code is when i actually accomplish something in life, get a girlfriend, and get real friends then people on 4chan.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: VILE on July 28, 2011, 07:22:29 PM

Yeah, the day i learn assembly code is when i actually accomplish something in life, get a girlfriend, and get real friends then people on 4chan.

Proving my point exactly, all you do is complain. Stop trying to act like accomplishing those tasks is impossible.

Being melodramatic and accepting defeat doesn't justify anything. Be a self made person.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on July 29, 2011, 06:45:14 AM
And SuperSmashBros only has 3 games, i can't count how many Street fighter games there are.

...Four...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 29, 2011, 07:10:35 AM
lol, if you accept defeat then you can't feel bad for what failures of the future.

and i don't mean the main 4 streetfighters. you have like Super street fighter 4 super street fighter.

theres alot to be considered.

and that code is impossible i would have to have a GPA of 5.0. i barely have 4.6... and PSA makes no sense to me even though i can Hex in the books like no one's business. but all my class mates always makes 100% on EVERYTHING i can barelykeep to 95%

but my problems are trivial.

and it might be good that Dantarion left. he's getting away from a community full of whiners and demanders like me :AF:


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on July 29, 2011, 07:11:35 AM
The fourth game doesn't really exist yet as development isn't gonna start until Kid Icarus Uprising is done.

For all we know, they might pull a Pikmin 3 and not show us a thing to the point where it's existence is in question 3 years later.

Why not improve and try to at least TRY to understand the inner workings. BTW If I knew ASM and had a USB Gecko at this point, with the time I have, I would've finished this Clone Engine and would be able to Edit stage hazards at this point.

W/E


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on July 29, 2011, 07:14:15 AM


and i'm also counting the Streetfighter games that like fight other characters... like Tatsunoko and what not?

and does any 1 know what Science Ninja Team Gatchaman is? Casshern's designs remind me alot about it... (it's also made by Tatsunoko...)

oh and, why is this thread still up..?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on July 29, 2011, 07:41:30 AM
There are ten Street Fighter games, not counting the Updated Re-Releases and the Vs. Series, actually.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: VILE on August 01, 2011, 11:44:14 PM
lol, if you accept defeat then you can't feel bad for what failures of the future.

and i don't mean the main 4 streetfighters. you have like Super street fighter 4 super street fighter.

theres alot to be considered.

and that code is impossible i would have to have a GPA of 5.0. i barely have 4.6... and PSA makes no sense to me even though i can Hex in the books like no one's business. but all my class mates always makes 100% on EVERYTHING i can barelykeep to 95%

but my problems are trivial.

and it might be good that Dantarion left. he's getting away from a community full of whiners and demanders like me :AF:

Programming logic has nothing (excluding the basic mathemics needed) to do with academic ability.

Get off your ass and learn, stop being lazy.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 04, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
So... did Dantarion give up on this?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on August 04, 2011, 03:18:50 PM
We've just heard nothing from him anymore, and he's known to be active in another game's hacking activity, something on those lines, It'd be cool if someone tried to contact him and ask about this so that a more official word by him on this matter is spread.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on August 04, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
So, everyone's ruling out the chance he might be taking a break before finishing his final mission because...?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on August 04, 2011, 06:38:21 PM


actually, i've been off my ass for years, and i'm studying to be either a proffesional actor or an advanced engineer in prototype aeronautics. but alas, i can't hold a candle to my friend Yoshino... he's just out there...

anyway, maybe he's taking a break, maybe not, but always assume the worse, so when the worse doesn't happen, its a suprise...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 04, 2011, 07:30:56 PM
So, everyone's ruling out the chance he might be taking a break before finishing his final mission because...?

Why do you think this is his final mission? >.>


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on August 04, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
unfortunetely yes i think it's his final decision.

Dantarion was very serious.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SmashClash on August 04, 2011, 09:23:03 PM
The fourth game doesn't really exist yet as development isn't gonna start until Kid Icarus Uprising is done.

For all we know, they might pull a Pikmin 3 and not show us a thing to the point where it's existence is in question 3 years later.

Why not improve and try to at least TRY to understand the inner workings. BTW If I knew ASM and had a USB Gecko at this point, with the time I have, I would've finished this Clone Engine and would be able to Edit stage hazards at this point.

W/E
I wish I could sell my USB Gecko to you...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on August 04, 2011, 10:06:44 PM
How about you mail it to him, as long as he pays for shipping and handling [TF]


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 07, 2011, 02:38:48 PM
Well, it sucks... =/

I was really hyped for the increase in costumes...


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on August 07, 2011, 03:35:54 PM
Me too, The pokémon characters really need those extra slots, they don't even have 6 costumes like everyone else.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 10, 2011, 05:34:10 AM
I was more interested on more slots on the humanoid characters, specially Marth, Ike, Snake and Zero Suit Samus.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Puraidou on August 10, 2011, 05:44:07 AM
I was more interested on more slots on the humanoid characters, specially Marth, Ike, Snake and Zero Suit Samus.
^This, since Marth and Ike have a lot of vertextures. Same for ZSS as well.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Tempo_ on August 10, 2011, 08:05:37 AM
And Peach.

Oh god, Peach.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 10, 2011, 08:17:15 AM
And Peach.

Oh god, Peach.

lol

One would expect a touhou fan to say that xD


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on August 15, 2011, 09:04:23 AM
Thought I'd prop this here for anyone who hasn't seen it.  There is still hope XD

Quote from: Dantarion
It's (Brawl Masquerade) done.
However, in its current state, it has hardcoded file paths and no error checking.
Believe it or not, its actually the thing I care about most, otherwise half of my programs would just randomly corrupt peoples files, randomly not work, etc.

I haven't been home and free in a long time, and since my old laptop died, all of my brawl hacking stuff is on my desktop, and ive been in LA/Florida/Vegas and busy a lot since I've been back.

Clone engine progress is dead, but I am taking all my stuff and packaging it up to give to #PMBR.
BrawlMasquerade will eventually be out, although now that I think about it, there is one part I had to do manually for the stuff I brought to AX. Ill just write a guide for that haha.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ShadowSnake on August 15, 2011, 09:38:23 AM
Thought I'd prop this here for anyone who hasn't seen it.  There is still hope XD
It's (Brawl Masquerade) done.
However, in its current state, it has hardcoded file paths and no error checking.
Believe it or not, its actually the thing I care about most, otherwise half of my programs would just randomly corrupt peoples files, randomly not work, etc.

I haven't been home and free in a long time, and since my old laptop died, all of my brawl hacking stuff is on my desktop, and ive been in LA/Florida/Vegas and busy a lot since I've been back.

Clone engine progress is dead, but I am taking all my stuff and packaging it up to give to #PMBR.
BrawlMasquerade will eventually be out, although now that I think about it, there is one part I had to do manually for the stuff I brought to AX. Ill just write a guide for that haha.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Seriously though thats great news,  ive been NEEDING snake slots. I wonder where dantarion will upload it, he doesnt use brawlvault.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on August 15, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
Probably to Mediafire and then post the link on SWF or something like that.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 15, 2011, 02:26:42 PM
Hm... So clone engine is dead...

It's sad... but Masquerade is still an amazing achievement.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on August 15, 2011, 02:48:31 PM
The Clone Engine is dead, but there still is hope.
He's passing the torch to the PMBR, which includes both me and Eternal_Yoshi.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on August 15, 2011, 03:05:18 PM
To quote Sephiroth:
"Do not Despair."


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ninka_kiwi on August 15, 2011, 04:14:56 PM
It's great to see that Dantarion is giving you guys his old work.
If I remember correctly he was working on roy over his own character slot, it'd be cool if that got implemented into project M then you guys would also be able to get other characters working from melee working off of what he left you I suppose...
Though I'm not even sure how far he got with the custom slot.. so what do I know >.<



Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LC-DDM on August 15, 2011, 05:00:55 PM
I'm still getting myself hopeful for the PAL version of Masquerade.

Yes, there are people who'd still rather stick to the PAL version. Deal with it. (http://www.mugenguild.com/forumx/Smileys/mfg/fadwi.gif)


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: PZT on August 15, 2011, 06:52:53 PM
What's the point of the clone engine supposed to be? I haven't seen one PSA that looks like it belongs in Brawl, plays decently, is animated well, and has balance. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Rayn on August 15, 2011, 07:01:54 PM
What's the point of the clone engine supposed to be? I haven't seen one PSA that looks like it belongs in Brawl, plays decently, is animated well, and has balance. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
I'd like to introduce you to a person who goes by the name of SDoOm InCaRnAtIoN. Go look him up, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on August 15, 2011, 07:04:48 PM
And if you are looking for a gem, search for and try out Eldiran's Zero PSA.

But basically, most (if not all) of SDoom's PSA's are marvelous and well made.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Rayn on August 15, 2011, 11:13:38 PM
And if you are looking for a gem, search for and try out Eldiran's Zero PSA.

But basically, all of SDoom's PSA's are marvelous and well made.
fixed.

...
I was never here.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Gigan X3 on August 16, 2011, 01:08:36 AM
Well, glad the good news can be spread now, I'm happy and will wait patiently.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on August 16, 2011, 07:16:41 AM
Do note that we even though the PMBR will take it over, we most likely will not be able to develop it like Dantarion original planned it to.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 16, 2011, 08:07:39 AM
Do note that we even though the PMBR will take it over, we most likely will not be able to develop it like Dantarion original planned it to.

That's not much of a surprise :P


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: PZT on August 17, 2011, 01:19:34 AM
I just wish Dant would say something about it really, it's better than being out of the loop even if it isn't going as expected.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on August 17, 2011, 02:58:27 AM

Well, even if you guys don't make it the way that Dantarion Original Planned it.
it's still a very high in demand object.
heck, you guys know a little bit more about it. and you could make it work with more than 7 slots. there are 3 alloys. (which i would love to use for my Gatchamen.)



Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on August 17, 2011, 05:55:18 AM
4 alloys that share one .rel..........


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ricky (Br3) on August 17, 2011, 08:40:50 AM
4 alloys that share one .rel..........

I never knew about that :P
And I guess a big part of the users didn't, too.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Ultraxwing on August 18, 2011, 03:16:21 AM
I know 4 alloys share one REL file.
but i was hoping with ASM codes we could use those extra 4 slots.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: LCCoolJ95 on August 26, 2011, 02:35:20 PM
4 alloys that share one .rel..........
Wait a minute, if the alloys all share one rel, why doesn't people try and port all Ike hacks over them?


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on August 26, 2011, 03:05:42 PM
Because even though they share a module, they each have their own section in it.


Title: Re: Dantarion's done it again!
Post by: Allav866 on September 09, 2011, 09:18:51 PM
I am excited for the Clone Engine, too. I like Cosmic Geno, but I also love Toon Link, so being able to have both would really fit my needs. Aside from that, I'm also excited for Masquerade. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to give Samus her Fusion, Phazon, Dark, Light, and Dark Samus suits while keeping Power and Gravity, but couldn't. but this brings me to ask a question: will Masquerade be safe to use with characters that transform? Like after using Zero Laser in a costume that I put in Samus's 6th Masq. slot, will I also need a 6th Masq. slot for Zamus? or would it even work even if i did?