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Title: Board Problems, Suggestions and Updates
Post by: Miacis on September 12, 2009, 05:23:18 PM
The thread to post all your ideas for changes and improvements to the board. New options, moderation stuff -- if it's not related to BrawlVault, it probably goes here.
And if something isn't working, or if you need help to solve a forum issue, just post in here.

This post will serve as an update log and an FAQ of sorts.

List of changes and updates in no particular order:
  • Visual Warning System
    • For more on this, read the rules (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=67.0).
  • Aeva Lite
    • Autoembedding for many media sites. No more need for "[youtube]" tags or the like.
  • Auto-merge double posts
    • Eliminates spam and keeps you from getting warned.
  • Disable signatures on posts
    • A checkbox in the "Additional Options" of the reply screen lets you turn off your signature for the post you are writing/editing.
  • Colored names
    • An aesthetic mod that colors members' names in posts, topic lists, etc. to represent their membergroup.
  • Awards
    • For more on this, see this thread (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30094.0).
  • The Moderation Corner (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0)
    • A place to ask questions or challenge moderations you have received. Only you and the mods can see your topics there.
  • Spoiler tags
    • Hides whatever is between the tags unless the viewer chooses to reveal it.
  • Team Page (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=teampage)
    • An easy way to view and contact anyone on the staff.
  • Various bot preventions
    • Captcha, image identification, etc. intended to keep bots from registering. Not very effective.
  • Extra profile fields
    • Adds extra fields on the profile summary page for stuff related to BrawlVault.
  • Compact theme
    • A version of the theme that trims a lot of fat from the board's look. Change your theme by clicking "Look and Layout Preferences" in the sidebar of your profile. You can also hide signatures and avatars here for an even smaller layout.
  • Disable word censoring
    • Profile -> Look and Layout Preferences -> Leave words uncensored. Please see this addendum (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=67.msg611422#msg611422) to learn what words are censored and how we handle censor bypassing.
  • "srs kitten" membergroup
    • A membergroup that prevents you from seeing the Off-Topic section. Post here or PM Vyse or Miacis if you would like to opt in.
  • Show topics a user has started
    • An option at the bottom of the profile summary lists all topics started by the user.
  • BBCode Comments
    • Use the "note" bbcode in your posts to include comments that are not displayed on the board but are retained for editing. Useful for all the things code comments typically are. They also show up when someone quotes a post, so don't include anything you wouldn't want someone to see or that breaks the rules.

Post-based Membergroups
A list of all the membergroups and the posts required to reach them.
(http://i.imgur.com/DhM6Q.png)

Custom Titles
Custom titles are additional text that appear just under a user's name in message displays and profile summaries. Only mods, admins, KC:MM team members, BV staff, and Special Access members can set a custom title. Special Access is granted only to former staff members (who left on good terms) and to this user (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4153;sa=summary) for helping us out of a financial bind.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 12, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
Well, let's start off things quickly.

We just permabanned the user and former member of the team MilkaholicX.

Why ? Not because he left the team and went to Stack Smash. We don't care about it.
Because of a breach of trust. As a team member, he asked for the admin powers for a short time, to make a quick, innoffensive modification. We granted his wish, trusting he wouldn't pose any problems. But instead, he messed up some parts of the forum and granted himself more powers than what ha was supposed to have, and pretty much offended all of the team with his actions for himself, and against the whole forum.

I hope you'll understand why we couldn't let him stay here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: catgowoof on September 12, 2009, 11:00:46 PM
No double posting :p

Also the stuff about Milkaholic clears up a lot of things now.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Neon on September 13, 2009, 01:51:51 AM
Suggestion: Don't ban Neon (plz).


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: WolfPack-Foratzero on September 13, 2009, 08:40:52 AM
Poor MilkaholicX. But if you guys say so then I agree.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Marcov15 on September 13, 2009, 10:09:34 AM
Poor MilkaholicX. But if you guys say so then I agree.
He deserved it. He messed up a lot of things (and right before he joined SS :>.>: )


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: WolfPack-Foratzero on September 13, 2009, 12:27:09 PM
Poor MilkaholicX. But if you guys say so then I agree.
He deserved it. He messed up a lot of things (and right before he joined SS :>.>: )

I found his youtube =P I talked to him. He said a lot of stuff. =P
Wanna hear it?

EDIT: I'll tell you now.

Exact Quote from MilkaholicX(In third person):

He said that it wasn't fair for demoting the members who deserved the admin tab. So he tricked Miacis in to giving him admin powers so he can edit the permissions. He gave the full KC:MM membergroup permission to lock and sticky topics and edit other users accounts. He knew that he would get in trouble so he lied to the team by him saying that he got in StackSmash. He quit because he knew that he didnt deserve the powers by tricking his former friend Miacis.

Exact Quote from MilkaholicX(In first person):

Quote
Fine Wolf. I'll tell you. But dont tell anyone. I thought it was unfair to demote most the KC:MM members. While there was no one there(Me and Miacis were the only ones online), I tricked him into giving me admin powers so I can give the KCMM membergroup the ability to lock and sticky topics. Also, change other ppl's accounts. I knew someone was gonna find out because the smiley glitch happened.(smiley glitch happens when you edited smiley and other admin stuff) Then a few days later, I did something I would regret. I lied to everyone and told them I got in StackSmash. Why? I quit because I tricked and lied to all of my former team members and I know now that it was wrong. I tricked Miacis and I lied to Shadow =(

Anything else you need? And I cant upload my Universe Battlefield texture yet. But I did show them to PlasmaKirby(my best buddy) Stuff2o(awesome person) and Shukakusand(Bestest buddy)

It was surprising. But I still think he deserved the permaban!! Lying to your team???


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Marcov15 on September 13, 2009, 01:39:49 PM
I was surprised when I discovered what he did. I thought of him as a friend and I wasn't expecting something like that at all. If he didn't like the demotion idea, the wisest thing to do is talk it out with the rest of the team, not go against the rules and screw everything up.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hakumen on September 13, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Suggestion: Don't ban Neon (plz).

Hm... Maybe... Maybe not...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 13, 2009, 02:29:40 PM
Oh, yeah, of course ...
He felt bad after doing it, of course and quit the team just because of that, when he seemed very happy to do so...

It wasn't fair ... okay, the way he asked me to give him back his powers when everybody got demoted heavily implied I had to restore HIS powers. I suppose that's probably why he didn't discuss it with us even though I had told him TWICE that he should discuss the matter with us if he didn't approve it.
I guess we even could have let him keep mod powers if he had ASKED ! But of course, he did nothing. >_>
That doesn't look like something he did for the whole team. (which pretty much agreed as a whole to these demotions.)

And finally, I'd like to know what noble cause he served by censoring picano's username and messing up all of the smilies. (And possibly causing much much trouble to a certain user by banning him multiple times for no reason. "Possibly", because he was just the only suspect when it happenned.)

I guess it was all a misunderstanding ? >_>

I don't buy this.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: WolfPack-Foratzero on September 13, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
He told me stuff after that...
He said that it wasnt about him getting mod powers. He wanted more powers but using Miacis was enough. And he said he felt bad before tricking you [Miacis] because he knew that he would betray everyone who gained his trust. And he said that you guys wouldnt listen to him because you hate him. And he said the smiley thing was an accident after adding another superstar smiley? And censored Picano's name because he thought it was funny.(how awful)

EDIT:
Who is Picano

EDIT again: He said that he wants to talk to you in person...(without cursing and arguing)
Marcov15 especially


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hakumen on September 13, 2009, 04:39:35 PM

I don't buy this.

I'll have to agree with that. He lied to me before about demoting me, and deleting Oizen's avatar.

EDIT:

[Edited out]

Nice try, I turned off the notifications of new posts. Also, I have my suspicions about you.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: WolfPack-Foratzero on September 13, 2009, 04:42:02 PM

I don't buy this.

I'll have to agree with that. He lied to me before about demoting me, and deleting Oizen's avatar.

Im just quoting from my PM's.

He said that when Oizen demoted you, he restored your status. And if he did edit Oizen's avatar, it would say that he edited "Forum Profile Information" not "Account Related Settings"



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hakumen on September 13, 2009, 04:44:47 PM

I don't buy this.

I'll have to agree with that. He lied to me before about demoting me, and deleting Oizen's avatar.

Im just quoting from my PM's.

He said that when Oizen demoted you, he restored your status. And if he did edit Oizen's avatar, it would say that he edited "Forum Profile Information" not "Account Related Settings"



Bull[censored]. He never repromoted me. When I was demoted, it was either Vyse, Finman, or Oizen that repromoted me back.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: WolfPack-Foratzero on September 13, 2009, 04:46:45 PM

I don't buy this.

I'll have to agree with that. He lied to me before about demoting me, and deleting Oizen's avatar.

Im just quoting from my PM's.

He said that when Oizen demoted you, he restored your status. And if he did edit Oizen's avatar, it would say that he edited "Forum Profile Information" not "Account Related Settings"



Bull[censored]. He never repromoted me. When I was demoted, it was either Vyse, Finman, or Oizen that repromoted me back.

Based on my PM's, if OizenX demoted you in the first place, why would he repromote you back in less than 24 hours...

And he said the day he re promoted you, he didnt see Vyse edit your account that week.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hakumen on September 13, 2009, 04:54:44 PM

I don't buy this.

I'll have to agree with that. He lied to me before about demoting me, and deleting Oizen's avatar.

Im just quoting from my PM's.

He said that when Oizen demoted you, he restored your status. And if he did edit Oizen's avatar, it would say that he edited "Forum Profile Information" not "Account Related Settings"



Bull[censored]. He never repromoted me. When I was demoted, it was either Vyse, Finman, or Oizen that repromoted me back.

Based on my PM's, if OizenX demoted you in the first place, why would he repromote you back in less than 24 hours...

And he said the day he re promoted you, he didnt see Vyse edit your account that week.

That was Random.



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Marcov15 on September 13, 2009, 06:51:43 PM
WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: STUFF2o on September 13, 2009, 07:04:21 PM
WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*
Dang it, I wanted that stage! But yeah, it was obvious. Milk PM'd me with pictures of that stage, but I don't think anybody else's seen them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 14, 2009, 01:06:57 PM
Mind if I clean up a bit ? These stupid games of hide 'n seek are not amusing me.

If you have anything to say to me Milk, then just contact me directly. My esteem for you keeps going lower and lower each time you try to play games with me.
(And it's already pretty close to the ground right now. Ready your pickaxe, you're about to dig!)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on September 19, 2009, 03:42:15 AM
Miacis is really smart when its a serious moment.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Random on September 19, 2009, 10:18:39 AM
WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*
Uhhh...can't we just see his ip...and you know, ban anyone with the same one?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hakumen on September 19, 2009, 10:22:42 AM
WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*
Uhhh...can't we just see his ip...and you know, ban anyone with the same one?

I already IP banned him when Vyse said it was him by checking his IP.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Random on September 19, 2009, 10:23:33 AM
WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*
Uhhh...can't we just see his ip...and you know, ban anyone with the same one?

I already IP banned him when Vyse said it was him by checking his IP.
Ok then...Then that should be the end of him, unless he has one of them fancy rich peoples ip mask thingies.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hakumen on September 19, 2009, 10:27:39 AM
WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*
Uhhh...can't we just see his ip...and you know, ban anyone with the same one?

I already IP banned him when Vyse said it was him by checking his IP.
Ok then...Then that should be the end of him, unless he has one of them fancy rich peoples ip mask thingies.

Dynamic IP, or Proxy?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Random on September 19, 2009, 10:30:49 AM
WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*
Uhhh...can't we just see his ip...and you know, ban anyone with the same one?

I already IP banned him when Vyse said it was him by checking his IP.
Ok then...Then that should be the end of him, unless he has one of them fancy rich peoples ip mask thingies.

Dynamic IP, or Proxy?
Yea those fancy things.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: TK421 on September 20, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Permaban, kinda like me and SS.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2009, 10:34:47 PM
Since Oizen posted it, it won't be taken seriously.
Moderator: Shadow (Who else does [censored])
Reason: Stupid actions
Topic: http://kittycorp.freecp.net/index.php?topic=2969.0

Story: Since this entire Ohai bug fad is getting pretty big, people started posting it before shadow, and since shadow, a moderator on the forums posted this image on many occasions no one would think of it as spam. Shadow decides to delete all the O hai images (incuding the ones that weren't that bug image) so he could post first. Of course, I pointed this out and it lead to a sub fight over it. Instead of deleting all the spam, he decides to close the topic, leaving all the spam there AND ruining some new guys introduction. When confronted on this issue he told me that I'm a dumbass and not to tell him how to do his job.
Go figure.

Rant Part 2:
Moderator:Shadow

Reason: Is his constant barging into topics and calling me a dumbass really acceptable on this forum? Is there really a no rule on flaming?



Title: Complaint to admins
Post by: Dotz on November 18, 2009, 07:55:55 PM
yeah... I can understand why you would lock my topic, but it would make MUCH more sense to edit out all of the posts that didn't have to do with the topic. Now I can't even add my new ideas to the topic. also: please note that all of the digressions in that topic were started by other people, not me. There IS such a thing as deleting individual posts.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Marcov15 on April 05, 2010, 03:28:04 PM
I wanted to say something here because of a little problem that has been showing up recently.

Staff members have no right to break the rules, period. We are here to make sure people follow them, but we need to follow them ourselves. If you see a staff member breaking a rule, please don't hesitate in reporting him, or PMing another admin or mod about it. That way, we can stop certain people from abusing their powers and we can ensure that the rules will be applied to EVERY member in this community, regardless of his/her position.

Thank you :P



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Demonsplay, Obviously on July 09, 2010, 09:48:31 AM
Suggestions right? Can we have a friends list connected to our proifle, or a more obvious one if it exists? I want to know who i freinded and have easy access to their pages :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dingo on July 09, 2010, 10:25:15 AM
Suggestions right? Can we have a friends list connected to our proifle, or a more obvious one if it exists? I want to know who i freinded and have easy access to their pages :srs:


(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/dingoberriz/Capture-6.png?t=1278692676)
^You mean this thing that shows your buddies?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hamzr Bruh on July 09, 2010, 10:37:11 AM
Wow...to trick your members to try to do something like that...very risky..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Demonsplay, Obviously on July 09, 2010, 06:04:25 PM
Suggestions right? Can we have a friends list connected to our proifle, or a more obvious one if it exists? I want to know who i freinded and have easy access to their pages :srs:


([url]http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/dingoberriz/Capture-6.png?t=1278692676[/url])
^You mean this thing that shows your buddies?

or a more obvious one



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on July 09, 2010, 06:22:15 PM
Something like this?

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5887/profile.th.png) (http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5887/profile.png) (http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4079/profile2.th.png) (http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4079/profile2.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Demonsplay, Obviously on July 09, 2010, 06:32:03 PM
Welll after dingo pointed out basically what i wanted, i'd just like that to be upgraded :<


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Chuy on July 09, 2010, 06:32:54 PM
That looks cool
Be even moar awesomer if we went to something like that


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hamzr Bruh on July 11, 2010, 07:42:12 PM
Suggestions right? Can we have a friends list connected to our proifle, or a more obvious one if it exists? I want to know who i freinded and have easy access to their pages :srs:


([url]http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/dingoberriz/Capture-6.png?t=1278692676[/url])
^You mean this thing that shows your buddies?


I think he's meaning like friend codes or on youtube, when you add someone they're not your friend until they approve it


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Demonsplay, Obviously on July 25, 2010, 08:38:52 PM
http://webneko.net/?neon

this?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on July 28, 2010, 12:05:18 PM
Suggestions right? Can we have a friends list connected to our proifle, or a more obvious one if it exists? I want to know who i freinded and have easy access to their pages :srs:

Profile > Modify Profile : Edit Buddies

And forum modifications are usually out of the question unless they deal with Brawl Vault (I know how to get what I need) or if you can link me to a pre-packaged SMF mod.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SteelFoxDraco on July 29, 2010, 05:18:15 PM
Lol Milkaholic REALLY used his time here wisely <_<


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashClash on July 30, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
I have a suggestion. Adding a new button such as "Alphabetical", "Newly Added", and "Top Downloads". After "Top Downloads" the new button will be named "Updates Since Last Visit". You know, because if you have a few favorite project upcoming updates, you might want to check up on them easier, as you might forget. ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Foxxy on August 15, 2010, 10:59:43 PM
I read the first few things on the first page, it seems there is alot of drama going on in the dark corners :P

I have a suggestion, and would be willing to help if possible:

Alot of times people post ridiculous requests in the texture requests thread (usually people who post in there are their first and only post, asking for a custom PSA, vertex, and texture)

I suggest two ideas... One is that a permission is set so that five posts a required to start a topic in the texture requests section.

The other suggestion is that their be a sticky post that would be "advice" to newcomers... I PM'd Vyse with a basic sample of what could be posted...

I used to run my own forums before, and I found the first option was pretty effective in eliminating alot of what would be, and usually was, ridiculous requests that never got filled...


That's my little bit, let me know what you think!

~Foxxy


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on August 22, 2010, 09:43:57 PM
May I suggest using an embedded mibbit chat box rather than the java applet for our chat room?  Everyone seems to have trouble with it, and mibbit is far superior anyways.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dingo on August 22, 2010, 10:13:53 PM
May I suggest using an embedded mibbit chat box rather than the java applet for our chat room?  Everyone seems to have trouble with it, and mibbit is far superior anyways.

I agree, I get forced to mibbit anytime I go to the chat anyway. Just annoying as hell to have to do so.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 23, 2010, 06:09:14 AM
May I suggest using an embedded mibbit chat box rather than the java applet for our chat room?  Everyone seems to have trouble with it, and mibbit is far superior anyways.

I agree, I get forced to mibbit anytime I go to the chat anyway. Just annoying as hell to have to do so.
Indeed >_> I go to mibbit daily but it's to bad that it's not embed here :-\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on August 23, 2010, 11:37:26 AM
http://wbe02.mibbit.com/manager/
pretty please?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on August 23, 2010, 12:55:30 PM
Wait wait wait...

Upon reading that... mibbit is IRC?

I'll see about it then. But, if you want something done faster... set up a widget yourself and I'll see about adding it to the site.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 23, 2010, 01:17:41 PM
Wait wait wait...

Upon reading that... mibbit is IRC?

I'll see about it then. But, if you want something done faster... set up a widget yourself and I'll see about adding it to the site.
What do you exactly need?

The iFrame?
If so, here's the code:
Code:
<iframe width="400" height="200" src="http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=f63994b60c9d9acc5960c022fb460030&server=irc.mibbit.net&channel=KC-MM"></iframe>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on August 24, 2010, 06:55:27 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=11409&Moderated=All#ByUserID=5281&Moderated=All
someone ban him
or warn him or whatever it is that we're doing to people who upload other people's work.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 24, 2010, 07:11:34 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=6936.msg225524#msg225524
This guy said that he hacked OnagaRyu's account because Onaga's on punishment :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on August 25, 2010, 12:39:03 AM
as a suggestion I think moderators should let the people know why their thread was locked. Since I was reading a couple posts and some people were confused on why their thread was locked.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 29, 2010, 07:07:23 AM
as a suggestion I think moderators should let the people know why their thread was locked. Since I was reading a couple posts and some people were confused on why their thread was locked.
Normally, that's what any moderator should do before (or right after) locking.

If you see that one apparently hasn't done his job correctly, just ask him politely by PM why he locked, and if he could add said reason to the locked topic. (On the condition it's not an old topic of course. There would be no point in upping it in that case.)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on September 15, 2010, 12:19:50 PM
Perhaps an idea for adding to profiles is Skype usernames, just like MSN, YIM, etc.
So peple can share their Skype name if they want to :) I wouldn't mind :)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on November 05, 2010, 01:34:41 AM
this is just an idea but I think this would be a cool smiley to put in the smileys section. (http://img6.xooimage.com/files/0/2/b/ballsmash-160dc59-1f8af03-220e5b1.gif)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DMN666 on November 07, 2010, 06:04:49 AM
this is just an idea but I think this would be a cool smiley to put in the smileys section. ([url]http://img6.xooimage.com/files/0/2/b/ballsmash-160dc59-1f8af03-220e5b1.gif[/url])

1.I dont see the point of using it.
2.I already had suggestions for smilies...and its done.
3.To me it looks like its dancing XP

>_>
<_<
I want to be a Admin plz :3
*End of the forums*


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miniova on November 16, 2010, 02:48:31 PM
I couldn't find any other place to put this...  but it seems like there is a glitch with the signature input because whenever i have 400 characters in it, it automatically cuts off the last 3 and only lets me use the first 397 of them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on November 23, 2010, 07:06:59 PM
Can someone tell me why every time I log in or out of this site I get a blank page, and when I refresh the browser it asks if I want to resend the information or something, and then it's fine. It's really annoying that I always have to put up with it; is there anything I can do?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on December 01, 2010, 03:15:40 PM
Can someone tell me why every time I log in or out of this site I get a blank page, and when I refresh the browser it asks if I want to resend the information or something, and then it's fine. It's really annoying that I always have to put up with it; is there anything I can do?
never had that actually and i tried it in 3 different browsers.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on December 01, 2010, 05:04:10 PM
Can someone tell me why every time I log in or out of this site I get a blank page, and when I refresh the browser it asks if I want to resend the information or something, and then it's fine. It's really annoying that I always have to put up with it; is there anything I can do?
never had that actually and i tried it in 3 different browsers.

I know it only does it on my browser, but on the computer downstairs it doesn't do it. How can I fix?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on December 01, 2010, 09:26:23 PM
can some1 tell me how 2 weport people onhear? sinse ths dood desves o get banned; http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9168


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on December 01, 2010, 09:29:10 PM
can some1 tell me how 2 weport people onhear? sinse ths dood desves o get banned; [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9168[/url]


That's an adbot, but...on the bottom right of every post it says "Report to moderator". >.>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on December 03, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
I can no longer delete my topics. Is this something new that was just implemented into the forum recently?

Also, how does one go about bringing a topic to attention without bumping? My topic wasn't even a day old and it's on the second page already; now no one will ever see it. What should I do if this happens?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dingo on December 04, 2010, 10:25:31 AM
Also, how does one go about bringing a topic to attention without bumping? My topic wasn't even a day old and it's on the second page already; now no one will ever see it. What should I do if this happens?

You'd have to bump it then. >_>

If it's a hack topic, you have to try making things interesting enough to keep people posting. If it's a request, hope it's something a lot of people want or something someone wouldn't mind making.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on December 04, 2010, 02:42:27 PM
Also, how does one go about bringing a topic to attention without bumping? My topic wasn't even a day old and it's on the second page already; now no one will ever see it. What should I do if this happens?

You'd have to bump it then. >_>

If it's a hack topic, you have to try making things interesting enough to keep people posting. If it's a request, hope it's something a lot of people want or something someone wouldn't mind making.

But I thought the rules said you can't bump if it's not contributing to the topic.

Also, it's none of the things you said; all my topics are usually help topics. And I know people know the answers to them, they just probably don't feel like answering or the people that know the answers aren't lurking that board a tthe right time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dingo on December 06, 2010, 08:12:35 AM
Also, how does one go about bringing a topic to attention without bumping? My topic wasn't even a day old and it's on the second page already; now no one will ever see it. What should I do if this happens?

You'd have to bump it then. >_>

If it's a hack topic, you have to try making things interesting enough to keep people posting. If it's a request, hope it's something a lot of people want or something someone wouldn't mind making.

But I thought the rules said you can't bump if it's not contributing to the topic.

Also, it's none of the things you said; all my topics are usually help topics. And I know people know the answers to them, they just probably don't feel like answering or the people that know the answers aren't lurking that board a tthe right time.

I know how that is. My tutorial threads get very little responses. I just have to assume it's helping. If it's a help thread, then people either don't know or don't feel like answering for whatever reason because they think someone else will answer.

After a week, if nobody answers your help thread and you still don't know. Bump it. >_>

The rule is more against repeatedly bumping topics in a short period of time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on December 06, 2010, 01:31:12 PM
I know how that is. My tutorial threads get very little responses. I just have to assume it's helping. If it's a help thread, then people either don't know or don't feel like answering for whatever reason because they think someone else will answer.

After a week, if nobody answers your help thread and you still don't know. Bump it. >_>

The rule is more against repeatedly bumping topics in a short period of time.

Lol that's pretty much the case with me because the only threads I've made on this forum are all help threads. Very few aren't. It's so annoying and even more annoying when I bump it and still get nothing.

And ok; I have bumped only the ones that had almost no responses or none at all, and on the next page. That's when I usually will start to bump.

What if after I bump it goes right to the second page again really fast? Can I still bump?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on December 07, 2010, 11:07:43 AM
Is it possible for me to report somebody?  There is a user called KeyBlader.  He's a noob, but he keeps needlessly trolling and flaming Hollow and his PSAs.  I believe he is breaching the following rule:

Quote
Trolling: Posting with the sole purpose of annoying other users, provoking flames.
     Examples: Going into a person’s texture topic and saying “You suck” without offering any actual criticism; posting false information.

Therefore, I think he deserves some sort of warning and/or punishment for breaking the rules and annoying not only such a renowned member of our community as Hollow, but quite a few other people as well. 


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on December 07, 2010, 12:33:13 PM
Is it possible for me to report somebody?  There is a user called KeyBlader.  He's a noob, but he keeps needlessly trolling and flaming Hollow and his PSAs.  I believe he is breaching the following rule:

Quote
Trolling: Posting with the sole purpose of annoying other users, provoking flames.
     Examples: Going into a person’s texture topic and saying “You suck” without offering any actual criticism; posting false information.

Therefore, I think he deserves some sort of warning and/or punishment for breaking the rules and annoying not only such a renowned member of our community as Hollow, but quite a few other people as well. 

It is possible. Just click "report to moderator" in the same area as one of his posts. It's right down here V


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on December 20, 2010, 04:23:51 AM
^Bot anyone? :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on December 20, 2010, 12:47:10 PM
^Bot anyone? :srs:

Oh nah that's just my friend he's a good guy.

LOL just kidding.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on December 20, 2010, 02:37:46 PM
Lol at a bot posting in the MODERATION topic XDDD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on December 20, 2010, 03:31:41 PM
I haz suggestion:

On-topic Discussion and Help boards get divided into 2 sub-boards
the the first division of the On-topic being important brawl reference stuff, and whatever else could be deemed useful, and the other division...the rest of the threads that are on there

The first help division being non-n00b help where people actually have some kind of problem that isn't answered in any guide, and the other division being n00by help.

Whatcha say


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: msp26 on December 20, 2010, 05:07:34 PM
I haz suggestion:

On-topic Discussion and Help boards get divided into 2 sub-boards
the the first division of the On-topic being important brawl reference stuff, and whatever else could be deemed useful, and the other division...the rest of the threads that are on there

The first help division being non-n00b help where people actually have some kind of problem that isn't answered in any guide, and the other division being n00by help.

Whatcha say

good idea


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on December 20, 2010, 07:35:49 PM
I haz suggestion:

On-topic Discussion and Help boards get divided into 2 sub-boards
the the first division of the On-topic being important brawl reference stuff, and whatever else could be deemed useful, and the other division...the rest of the threads that are on there

The first help division being non-n00b help where people actually have some kind of problem that isn't answered in any guide, and the other division being n00by help.

Whatcha say

..nobody would post in the noob thread...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on December 20, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
I haz suggestion:

On-topic Discussion and Help boards get divided into 2 sub-boards
the the first division of the On-topic being important brawl reference stuff, and whatever else could be deemed useful, and the other division...the rest of the threads that are on there

The first help division being non-n00b help where people actually have some kind of problem that isn't answered in any guide, and the other division being n00by help.

Whatcha say

..nobody would post in the noob thread...
The noob thread would be for the new people. People who've been around for a while would post in the non-noob thread.
Just saying.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on December 20, 2010, 08:49:11 PM
well, i don't think enough people would admit they are noobs, then crap will hit the fan when a noobish question is asked in the non noob forum :P
but that's just my opinion (mine doesn't matter much anyway :D )


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: toastoftriumph on December 21, 2010, 06:31:26 PM
well, i don't think enough people would admit they are noobs, then crap will hit the fan when a noobish question is asked in the non noob forum :P
but that's just my opinion (mine doesn't matter much anyway :D )
I agree. If people want a thread for "noobs" then they can title it something that gives general help to newcomers. If not, help threads should be made with more specialized topics.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on December 23, 2010, 06:11:57 PM
well, i don't think enough people would admit they are noobs, then crap will hit the fan when a noobish question is asked in the non noob forum :P
but that's just my opinion (mine doesn't matter much anyway :D )
I agree. If people want a thread for "noobs" then they can title it something that gives general help to newcomers. If not, help threads should be made with more specialized topics.
This is true, people wouldn't want to post in the n00b section, but we could set up some kind of limitation so you have to do a certain thing to be able to post in the other help section.

that probably isn't nessicary though..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: toastoftriumph on December 23, 2010, 06:29:28 PM
well, i don't think enough people would admit they are noobs, then crap will hit the fan when a noobish question is asked in the non noob forum :P
but that's just my opinion (mine doesn't matter much anyway :D )
I agree. If people want a thread for "noobs" then they can title it something that gives general help to newcomers. If not, help threads should be made with more specialized topics.
This is true, people wouldn't want to post in the n00b section, but we could set up some kind of limitation so you have to do a certain thing to be able to post in the other help section.

that probably isn't nessicary though..
I don't think it's necessary. If there's a very ambitious new hacker on the forums, it would be stupid to limit him from asking questions only because he's new, even when he has a valid question. In reality, all that needs to be done is to make sure that people post in the appropriate forums; everything else falls into place without a problem if this is done.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on December 23, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
I still would like the on-topic devision though, I'm getting sick of productive threads being bumped by pointless ones


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 02, 2011, 10:31:05 PM
What is wrong with this site's search function? I've used it to search for hacks such as Banjo (Mario Texture) and Facility (custom stage), and the search brought up nothing, yet they do exist and with those exact same names... And yes I entered it in the correct fields.

Also, we need a board for asking questions in regards to the site's functionality (not Brawl Vault's), such as my question above. Every forum I've been to has a board for that, so I was surprised to see none here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 02, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
There's no forum for it because there really isn't anything most of the staff can do to fix / add functionality. I'm the only one that has ever even attempted site edits.

Also, as far as your search issues go... seems Brawl Vault still has a problem with url-escaped character searched. (Meaning, anything starting A-F will have issues)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 02, 2011, 10:46:06 PM
There's no forum for it because there really isn't anything most of the staff can do to fix / add functionality. I'm the only one that has ever even attempted site edits.

Also, as far as your search issues go... seems Brawl Vault still has a problem with url-escaped character searched. (Meaning, anything starting A-F will have issues)

No but I mean like just simple questions about the site to help someone understand something? Or should they just be PMed to you?

Also, I see; that's strange. I've never encountered a problem like that with other searches before.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 02, 2011, 11:36:20 PM
No but I mean like just simple questions about the site to help someone understand something? Or should they just be PMed to you?

Also, I see; that's strange. I've never encountered a problem like that with other searches before.

Eh... might be a good idea to make a general help topic then --- though, it's likely to get overlooked.

Also, yeah it is weird... I'm not sure if it's a problem with our server itself or not but $_GET and the others have problems urldecoding. It should only interpret the first 2 characters after a percent sign... but it seems to go until it encounters either another percent or G on up.

Anyway... I added a small fix + a major code rewrite --- hope it doesn't bork something else.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 02, 2011, 11:40:03 PM
No but I mean like just simple questions about the site to help someone understand something? Or should they just be PMed to you?

Also, I see; that's strange. I've never encountered a problem like that with other searches before.

Eh... might be a good idea to make a general help topic then --- though, it's likely to get overlooked.

Also, yeah it is weird... I'm not sure if it's a problem with our server itself or not but $_GET and the others have problems urldecoding. It should only interpret the first 2 characters after a percent sign... but it seems to go until it encounters either another percent or G on up.

Anyway... I added a small fix + a major code rewrite --- hope it doesn't bork something else.

Ok, what board should I put it in? I don't have any questions, I just want to know for future reference.

Small fix and major code rewrite for what? The search?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 02, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
And blah, fix unfixed itself.

And dunno. :P Too tired to think straight.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 03, 2011, 05:59:53 PM
Just curious, but I noticed the Karma was gone; did you remove it or something or are you working on something?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 06, 2011, 06:36:31 PM
How come the chat never works? I always get a Java start-up error.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Pin0yB0i on January 06, 2011, 07:00:20 PM
How come the chat never works? I always get a Java start-up error.
Because most people don't have Java on their computer.

And for some reason installing it doesn't solve the problem.

That or I'm just an idiot... :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 06, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
How come the chat never works? I always get a Java start-up error.
Because most people don't have Java on their computer.

And for some reason installing it doesn't solve the problem.

That or I'm just an idiot... :srs:

But I do have Java, even the latest version. So no, you aren't an idiot lol.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 06, 2011, 07:13:08 PM
My bet is that you are saying "yes" instead of "no".

I was trying to figure it out for a good 5 minutes before I realized that the "allow..." dialog was instead a "block all..." dialog.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 06, 2011, 07:15:57 PM
My bet is that you are saying "yes" instead of "no".

I was trying to figure it out for a good 5 minutes before I realized that the "allow..." dialog was instead a "block all..." dialog.

You're right. I clicked no and it works. I wonder why.

Anyway, looks like it's never used. There were only like four people in there with names I never heard of.

Also, what happened to Karma?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on January 11, 2011, 06:09:17 PM
Well, I ask a question about posting.

Could you make the Maximum Character Count for a post bigger?

Because I'm writing a story in a Thread, and I had exceeded the character limit for the OP, so I ask if you could be able to enlarge the Maximum number for a post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on January 11, 2011, 06:12:19 PM
Well, I ask a question about posting.

Could you make the Maximum Character Count for a post bigger?

Because I'm writing a story in a Thread, and I had exceeded the character limit for the OP, so I ask if you could be able to enlarge the Maximum number for a post.
So can the signature maximum number be changed as well


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 11, 2011, 06:18:07 PM
In both cases, no.

Posts: I've tried, it's pretty much a hard limit --- anything over is simply discarded.
Sigs: Eh... it's really part of keeping down sig size. Yours is over the limit if I'm not mistaken.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on January 11, 2011, 06:22:08 PM
In both cases, no.

Posts: I've tried, it's pretty much a hard limit --- anything over is simply discarded.
Sigs: Eh... it's really part of keeping down sig size. Yours is over the limit if I'm not mistaken.
Actally, I can only type 30 more words in my signature.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 11, 2011, 06:34:13 PM

Signatures: Images in signatures should not be more than 800 pixels wide or 200 pixels tall. You may have no more than two images in your signature; if you choose to have two, each must be at most 400x200 if they go on one line or 800x100 if they are on separate lines. Signatures generated by Brawl Vault do not count.
     Moderators have the right to remove any signature that affects the readability of the board (i.e. a signature with multiple flashing colors).


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on January 11, 2011, 06:46:05 PM
Well my top signature is that of a randomnizer and all my Sigs are the same size of 399x149 and the bottom is a siggy from Brawl vault


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 11, 2011, 06:58:46 PM
Eh, good point --- and I guess the signature enforcement hasn't really mattered since we limited the maximum viewing area anyway.

Increased.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on January 11, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
Eh, good point --- and I guess the signature enforcement hasn't really mattered since we limited the maximum viewing area anyway.

Increased.

Now thats cool, But picano should you tell everybody that the signature count was increased or something


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on January 11, 2011, 07:51:48 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.345

So, you remember AGF, Mr. "I took P:M's Melee Ganon PSA and claimed it as my own," right? Well, it looks like he created another account, probably using a friend's computer. He claims he isn't AGF, but the people are too smart for him (KTH and Miacis).


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 12, 2011, 05:45:22 AM
Picano is the forum running in xampp? If so you can easily change the max characters allowed in a post. Our forum now has 200000 characters per post allowed.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on January 12, 2011, 04:49:50 PM
Nope.

It's either an issue database side or some hard coded limit somewhere... there is a setting for it but even at unlimited there is a cutoff (where text just vanishes).


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 12, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
Nope.

It's either an issue database side or some hard coded limit somewhere... there is a setting for it but even at unlimited there is a cutoff (where text just vanishes).
Huh weird, XAMPP has that function
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/characters300keven.png)

Seems we even increased it to 300k characters O_o"


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on January 15, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
I guy named "Troll" harass me :

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.msg336974;boardseen#new

He said :

"Hey I'm a noob and I hate your hacks and guess what?
Agfanproductions isn't a stealer you are! Om nom nom.
Oh and miacis or whatever is a huge stupid idiot and I think that melée and him are both super duper dumb"

And he have send this to me by PM :

"You like my message on your thread?"


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on January 15, 2011, 03:31:35 PM
I guy named "Troll" harass me :

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.msg336974;boardseen#new[/url]

He said :

"Hey I'm a noob and I hate your hacks and guess what?
Agfanproductions isn't a stealer you are! Om nom nom.
Oh and miacis or whatever is a huge stupid idiot and I think that melée and him are both super duper dumb"

And he have send this to me by PM :

"You like my message on your thread?"

What a freakin' troll.  :notimp:
I reported his post for "hardcore trolling."


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 15, 2011, 03:52:31 PM
I guy named "Troll" harass me :

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.msg336974;boardseen#new[/url]

He said :

"Hey I'm a noob and I hate your hacks and guess what?
Agfanproductions isn't a stealer you are! Om nom nom.
Oh and miacis or whatever is a huge stupid idiot and I think that melée and him are both super duper dumb"

And he have send this to me by PM :

"You like my message on your thread?"

What a freakin' troll.  :notimp:
I reported his post for "hardcore trolling."
Already banned so he won't bother us ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on January 15, 2011, 04:26:22 PM
Thank.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 16, 2011, 07:59:20 PM
How come I can't see my avatar anymore? There are also only a select few other avatars I can see on this forum as well.

Edit: When I posted this my avatar appeared for not even a full second before it vanished.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: xmanfit0 on January 16, 2011, 08:34:05 PM
How come I can't see my avatar anymore? There are also only a select few other avatars I can see on this forum as well.

Edit: When I posted this my avatar appeared for not even a full second before it vanished.
It's just you, I see it fine. Clear out your browser cache and history, and reload.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 16, 2011, 09:54:24 PM
How come I can't see my avatar anymore? There are also only a select few other avatars I can see on this forum as well.

Edit: When I posted this my avatar appeared for not even a full second before it vanished.
It's just you, I see it fine. Clear out your browser cache and history, and reload.

Well somehow it's appearing again.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 17, 2011, 12:02:43 PM
I think there is a bug with the way Google Chrome handles the quick edit button on this site. Whenever I click it, it lets me edit, but the box is a very thin strip and the save and cancel buttons that should be under the box are missing so I can't save the edit. I now have to go into full edit mode to make edits... I never had this problem before on FireFox.

Any suggestions?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 17, 2011, 01:12:58 PM
I think there is a bug with the way Google Chrome handles the quick edit button on this site. Whenever I click it, it lets me edit, but the box is a very thin strip and the save and cancel buttons that should be under the box are missing so I can't save the edit. I now have to go into full edit mode to make edits... I never had this problem before on FireFox.

Any suggestions?
I had that, you can't really fix that i believe. Just hit the TAB button and it shows the send and preview buttons.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 17, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
I think there is a bug with the way Google Chrome handles the quick edit button on this site. Whenever I click it, it lets me edit, but the box is a very thin strip and the save and cancel buttons that should be under the box are missing so I can't save the edit. I now have to go into full edit mode to make edits... I never had this problem before on FireFox.

Any suggestions?
I had that, you can't really fix that i believe. Just hit the TAB button and it shows the send and preview buttons.

What tab button?

Also, I just went back before typing this post and the buttons are back and the box is bigger. Same with this post that I tried to quick edit now. What the hell?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 17, 2011, 01:21:47 PM
I think there is a bug with the way Google Chrome handles the quick edit button on this site. Whenever I click it, it lets me edit, but the box is a very thin strip and the save and cancel buttons that should be under the box are missing so I can't save the edit. I now have to go into full edit mode to make edits... I never had this problem before on FireFox.

Any suggestions?
I had that, you can't really fix that i believe. Just hit the TAB button and it shows the send and preview buttons.

What tab button?

Also, I just went back before typing this post and the buttons are back and the box is bigger. Same with this post that I tried to quick edit now. What the hell?
It's a bug that happens around 50% of the times. It isn't always that small.
And i ment the TAB button on your keyboard.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 17, 2011, 01:26:57 PM
It's a bug that happens around 50% of the times. It isn't always that small.
And i ment the TAB button on your keyboard.

And it's only with Google Chrome? Because it never did this to me in FireFox.

Oh, ok then. I'll try that next time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 17, 2011, 01:51:35 PM
It's a bug that happens around 50% of the times. It isn't always that small.
And i ment the TAB button on your keyboard.

And it's only with Google Chrome? Because it never did this to me in FireFox.

Oh, ok then. I'll try that next time.
Yeah it's only with GC for as far as i know. The only browsers i used to use are GC and Firefox, i use firefox alone nowadays.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 20, 2011, 06:27:59 PM
How can I keep certain topics from appearing in the "Show new replies to your posts." feature? Even the topics I've unsubscribed from still appear in there, and I want to know how I can keep them out for good?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on January 20, 2011, 07:52:40 PM
How can I keep certain topics from appearing in the "Show new replies to your posts." feature? Even the topics I've unsubscribed from still appear in there, and I want to know how I can keep them out for good?
This. There are some threads that I post in once and then it reminds me of when it's updated. It's kind of annoying.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 21, 2011, 12:46:01 AM
How can I keep certain topics from appearing in the "Show new replies to your posts." feature? Even the topics I've unsubscribed from still appear in there, and I want to know how I can keep them out for good?

This. There are some threads that I post in once and then it reminds me of when it's updated. It's kind of annoying.
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/this.png)
^This picture should show you where and how to disable it :)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on January 21, 2011, 06:50:32 AM
...I've never seen that before O.o
I'll go change it right now.

EDIT: The bottom on IS unchecked in my profile. Am I missing the point?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 21, 2011, 06:54:49 AM
...I've never seen that before O.o
I'll go change it right now.

EDIT: The bottom on IS unchecked in my profile. Am I missing the point?
Check it, then save, then uncheck and save. Below that is a list of topics your notified by. You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 21, 2011, 11:43:45 AM
([url]http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/this.png[/url])
^This picture should show you where and how to disable it :)


Yes but I still want to receive notification. Just not from certain topics.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 21, 2011, 12:02:49 PM
Below that is a list of topics your notified by.
You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 21, 2011, 12:15:36 PM
Below that is a list of topics your notified by.
You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.

*facepalm*

But it doesn't remove it from "Show new replies to your posts.". That just unsubscribes you from e-mail notifications.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on January 21, 2011, 12:35:14 PM
Below that is a list of topics your notified by.
You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.

*facepalm*

But it doesn't remove it from "Show new replies to your posts.". That just unsubscribes you from e-mail notifications.
Hmm, then i have no idea.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: (specter) on January 21, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
Below that is a list of topics your notified by.
You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.

*facepalm*

But it doesn't remove it from "Show new replies to your posts.". That just unsubscribes you from e-mail notifications.
Hmm, then i have no idea.

There should be some option that lets you stop receiving notifications altogether and not just e-mail ones.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on January 21, 2011, 02:17:29 PM
Below that is a list of topics your notified by.
You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.

*facepalm*

But it doesn't remove it from "Show new replies to your posts.". That just unsubscribes you from e-mail notifications.
Yes, that's what I meant, not the one in options.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on January 26, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
what you can do is delete all of your posts from the topic you don't want to see updates from and then you won't get updates from it anymore (i did that to get out of the family topic)
(that is, if you are able to delete your own posts)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on February 02, 2011, 04:55:53 PM
I think someone is giving people fake warnings in the family thread is that even allowed?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on February 02, 2011, 05:35:03 PM
I think someone is giving people fake warnings in the family thread is that even allowed?
One is done by Oizen and one by Random. Oizen's a Global mod, Random is a founder. They want to play, let them be.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on February 02, 2011, 05:37:46 PM
I think that you should really considered some of your moderation team members. You can't just hand those powers to some troll, who dedicates to nothing, but trolling.

Not everyone can have power.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on February 02, 2011, 05:39:23 PM
I think someone is giving people fake warnings in the family thread is that even allowed?
One is done by Oizen and one by Random. Oizen's a Global mod, Random is a founder. They want to play, let them be.
What about the warnings on the others in the family thread


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on February 02, 2011, 05:40:45 PM
I am not talking about Random, just in case anyone is confused.

Someone who calls people names constantly, and talks sh*t to others all the time, should not be a "Global Mod" That looks very unprofessional and makes this look like a joke.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on February 02, 2011, 05:42:24 PM
I am not talking about Random, just in case anyone is confused.

Someone who calls people names constantly, and talks sh*t to others all the time, should not be a "Global Mod" That looks very unprofessional and makes this look like a joke.
Don't forget about people abusing their powers thats sorta childish


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on February 02, 2011, 07:36:39 PM
I think someone is giving people fake warnings in the family thread is that even allowed?
One is done by Oizen and one by Random. Oizen's a Global mod, Random is a founder. They want to play, let them be.
What about the warnings on the others in the family thread
I saw it, i was really like wtf. I did laugh but wtf XD



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on February 02, 2011, 07:38:08 PM
I think someone is giving people fake warnings in the family thread is that even allowed?
One is done by Oizen and one by Random. Oizen's a Global mod, Random is a founder. They want to play, let them be.
What about the warnings on the others in the family thread
I saw it, i was really like wtf. I did laugh but wtf XD


I did laugh as well those people got warnings but am wondering if there real warnings but lets stop talking about that


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Black Blood Shooter on February 16, 2011, 10:28:31 AM
If can't will a power and control of higher person then your not worthy of using wityh great power comes great responibility peter :af:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on February 22, 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Sorry I didn't read rest of thread but theres this guy called TadTad
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?ByUserID=10967&Moderated=All[/url]
he's posting tons of fake downloads. Just a notice.


I reported 3 of his fakes on the other thread


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Soul Nami on March 04, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
To any admin viewing this:

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9702

This guy :srs: . He just went all over me because I told an admin to delete his 'plagiarized pack' like a few weeks ago.

He constantly harassed me in PMs today, He is simply pointing out that his life is 'better' than mine, and he also said my life is 'crap'. He also had some more insults, such as technically saying "I'm more superior than you" and other things like that.

I may have worse insults than he did, but I was simply defending myself.

 This guy needs a sanction, I reported ALL his PMs (except one) to all admins, and yet, no admin had responded to me yet, as of 4:30 P.M EST.

I checked all admins profile to see when they were last online, and one was online today around 7:00 PM EST.
I want something done. :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on March 06, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
Okay, so you expect admins to react less than 6 hours after your report, all time zones considered.
And considering the fact that admins here aren't all extremely active, especially a CERTAIN ONE who would have liked to enjoy his vacation from here a bit more.

There are a few things that bother me in this conversation, so I'd like you to send me the WHOLE PM conversation. Which means, including your PMs.

Oh, and I'll be as hurried as you are and ask for a quick answer. Just for the bonus. >.>

PS : Cut with the (null) business unless you have a freagin' really good reason to. If you just have no idea about what name to choose, just use your regular account name.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Soul Nami on March 06, 2011, 05:31:58 PM
Okay, so you expect admins to react less than 6 hours after your report, all time zones considered.
And considering the fact that admins here aren't all extremely active, especially a CERTAIN ONE who would have liked to enjoy his vacation from here a bit more.

There are a few things that bother me in this conversation, so I'd like you to send me the WHOLE PM conversation. Which means, including your PMs.

Oh, and I'll be as hurried as you are and ask for a quick answer. Just for the bonus. >.>

PS : Cut with the (null) business unless you have a freagin' really good reason to. If you just have no idea about what name to choose, just use your regular account name.
My apologies Miacis, I was a bit raged at the time; I couldn't think about all the other things such as time zones, the admins, etc. But that's just me. :<

And don't rush yourself, please.

Also, the (null) thing was to help that "guy" out with a problem, just in case so he wouldn't go and say something rude and tell me to get out of his thread. X-P

I feel so stupid right now and I know I should. ;_;

Also, I'm just going to apologize to the guy, but I hope he has his sorries, too.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on March 13, 2011, 04:03:57 PM
Someone can delete this post please?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=6034.msg56271#msg56271


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on March 13, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
Someone can delete this post please?

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=6034.msg56271#msg56271[/url]


You can deleat it yourself


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on March 13, 2011, 04:27:16 PM
I'm talking about the post of "D."


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on March 13, 2011, 04:28:12 PM
I'm talking about the post of "D."
Really, i got see this post


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Pin0yB0i on March 17, 2011, 04:53:13 PM
Nevermind.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on March 22, 2011, 11:41:11 PM
Just a quick question Mia... Do you guys ever delete accounts that have only posted once since like last year?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on March 23, 2011, 02:19:04 AM
Never.

Even if they've never posted... they could simply be lurkers or Vault users only.

Hell, I've actually disabled the ability for users to delete their own accounts without admin permission.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: libertyernie on March 23, 2011, 09:47:01 PM
I can't delete the poll on this topic - it givbes me a session verification error. Could you help?
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=20291.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=20291.0)
It does let me edit the poll, though.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on March 24, 2011, 02:10:07 AM
I can't delete the poll on this topic - it givbes me a session verification error. Could you help?
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=20291.0[/url] ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=20291.0[/url])
It does let me edit the poll, though.
Every poll has this same error O_o" I can't remove any of mine either..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashClash on March 25, 2011, 03:22:18 PM
I messaged someone and they couldn't reply back by PM because it said my inbox was to full.
My Inbox was working at 556 and under.
I started to delete unnecessary PMs ALL the way until 126 or so. It says 97% full.
I deleted 300 PMs and it still won't work! :( Can you please extend the PMs limit. :(
I've had way more than this amount of PMs before, so now it's just erroring me!

Nvm, it works!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Mansta8 on April 03, 2011, 10:42:27 PM
Ive been having that poll deleting error lately too. >.>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on April 09, 2011, 04:13:04 PM
I can't remove the poll of my thread.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.810

That said :

Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on April 09, 2011, 04:29:15 PM
I can't remove the poll of my thread.

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.810[/url]

That said :

Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.
A lot of people have that including me.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on April 11, 2011, 05:50:47 AM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=18092
I believe we have a hack thief... And not a very good one, this is Micaiah's Zack... You can tell.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=16373
See? They even used the SAME PICTURE! >_<;


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on April 11, 2011, 06:24:51 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=18092[/url]
I believe we have a hack thief... And not a very good one, this is Micaiah's Zack... You can tell.
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=16373[/url]
See? They even used the SAME PICTURE! >_<;
Exact same picture in the 3slot just re-uploaded... Really some people are just idiots...
Sorry for that but i really mean it >_>"
Note: That "idiot" was not directed at you Data ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Mansta8 on April 11, 2011, 08:25:53 AM
This is my first stolen hack so please don't complain or argue.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on April 11, 2011, 08:28:22 AM
Reported it, it's an exact copy. I checked in bbox, it's the same... :srs:
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/stolen.png)
^Just in case he removes it before anyone sees it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on April 11, 2011, 03:22:55 PM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=18092[/url]
I believe we have a hack thief... And not a very good one, this is Micaiah's Zack... You can tell.
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=16373[/url]
See? They even used the SAME PICTURE! >_<;


That not need to go on "Brawl Vault" thread?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on April 20, 2011, 11:52:11 AM
Hello there... just a suggestion:

A little off-topic here, but the rules need to be updated... they lack A LOT of info about some rules of these boards... necroposting being one of them...
There's not even info about the size of avatars.

How do you expect people to follow your rules when you don't even make them clear?

And no, I'm not complaining because of recent events and/or moderation status on other members... just pointing it out.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on April 20, 2011, 12:06:09 PM
true. i think we do need to make the rules more specific... another project to do
but necroposting is defined in the spamming part of the rules. i'm more lenient with the time between (i'd allow up to 3 weeks instead of the 1 in the rules - that's just me) but something like 4 months without contributing anything to the topic is just annoying. i recently just bumped 3 people on the warnings because of necroposting in one of my old topics because one person just said "thank you" and then the other two mini-modded instead of reporting the original poster. i agree that the rules can (and should) be more clear, but at least for necroposting, common sense should play some kind of role in it, shouldnt it?

i thought that avatars were automatically resized if they were too big? but there's a signature rule in there and it is specific with dimensions.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on April 20, 2011, 12:41:26 PM
Perhaps another Email or PM for everyone about the rules? It seems that now a days New members dont even bother to look at the rules... >_>... I know its common Sense to a least read the rules of a forum, it they exist, but its seems some people lack that today... Just a suggestion..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on April 20, 2011, 02:35:24 PM
^This is true


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on April 20, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
Perhaps another Email or PM for everyone about the rules? It seems that now a days New members dont even bother to look at the rules... >_>... I know its common Sense to a least read the rules of a forum, it they exist, but its seems some people lack that today... Just a suggestion..

This. I warned two people who haven't read the rules, and they PMed me saying that they hate the rules. >_>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Parvati ~ <3 on April 21, 2011, 04:39:27 AM
true. i think we do need to make the rules more specific... another project to do
but necroposting is defined in the spamming part of the rules. i'm more lenient with the time between (i'd allow up to 3 weeks instead of the 1 in the rules - that's just me) but something like 4 months without contributing anything to the topic is just annoying. i recently just bumped 3 people on the warnings because of necroposting in one of my old topics because one person just said "thank you" and then the other two mini-modded instead of reporting the original poster. i agree that the rules can (and should) be more clear, but at least for necroposting, common sense should play some kind of role in it, shouldnt it?


Sorry .... DX for bein the original poster :( I Posted in the wrong topic. No excuses.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 05:25:27 PM
Quote
Haku-men was a pretty effective moderator. I guess it was pretty hasty to downgrade him as a Team member, so I re-put him as a mod with all my apologies. As for why he's not an admin, it's more specific, and I'll answer it later (see below).
Ok, lets hear it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Helix on April 30, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
How do people even become mods and eventually admins ?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 07:07:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ks6JI.png)
He trolls? No respect?  That reminds me of someone....
Quote from: Oizen
([url]http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/00cool%20story%20bro.jpg[/url])

Quote from: Oizen
([url]http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo137/Darkwashu/k-on_haters_gonna_hate.gif[/url])

(http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0)
Gosh, what did Italian do that's worse than that?  What could he possibly be doing this time?
Oh, I found it:
Quote from: Italian Stallion
First of all, this is a discussion of the spam issue, not personal issues with Haku.

Second of all, this is for members to post their opinions. Having an Admin demean others, just proves the fact that this is a forum run by dictators, and everyone's opinion's doesn't matter but yours, cause you are an "Admin"

Last time I checked, an Administrator is supposed to administrate things, help others out, be fair to others, and all that. Not someone who plays the friend game here and lets things slide because their "married" to them. Giving "hugs" doesn't make you a good Administrator at all. 

Another thing, all the flame wars between you and your "husbands" on the family thread. Bringing issues into the family thread about this issue, picking fights with other Admins, and siding with "family members" that is unprofessional.

This thread was made after that happened over there. Of course, you don't know better cause it's hidden inside the thousand pages of spam. So next time you call someone unprofessional, why don't you look at your own actions first.

Quote from: Sorceress on April 28, 2011, 04:56:05 PM
LordNOah, sometimes Oizen can be heartless, But he is a vary good mod.

A very good mod? He trolls all day long, that's his job, that's his life. He warns people for no reason what so ever. He talks smack to people and provokes people constantly.

Quit feeding the troll.

Why would he accuse Oizen of being a troll? hmmm...(look up?)
Why would he accuse Oizen of giving warnings for no reason?
Post again.
([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnwarn.gif[/url]) Spam
wut

what was this for exactly? Spam? a 2 word post, much like the 1 word post that answered it?  or everything shown here (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23675.15), that apparently is acceptable because quotes are attached to them? I'm a little confused here >.<

There has to be another reasonable reason why this guy deserves a ban.
Yeah now we won't have members who have zero hacks on their Vault, thinking they are somebody, run around the forum talking smack, just because they have a high post count.

Also, it's spelled "courtesy".

Yeah right, that doesn't happen.
oh wait,
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0
 :notimp:
---------Users have brought it up, more then just the quoted, but you should get the idea. I'm providing closure as to what happened.

Miacis did this to my post count a year ago.

Any other poorly phrased questions in a failed attempt to troll?

Translation:
---------
Another admin abused his powers to give me this, so its ok.

Justifiable.
this seems like a personal issue...
(http://i.imgur.com/yTG9K.png)

Maybe Oizen was just having a bad day.  Lets give him another chance.
(http://i.imgur.com/b2Oss.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/hlp1z.png)
Oh no, a rat!? How dare they alert a member when he is in danger of getting banned for no reason!

Gosh, such an example of a staff member's abuse of his power to attempt to remove someone who he doesn't like is frightening, is it not?

I sure hope there isn't more areas that can be observed of such abuse, and hopefully they aren't revealed and brought up here.
How do people even become mods and eventually admins ?

I'd really like to know as well.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
[Wall of text]


(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/zackwinzard/2i7pq9k.jpg)

lol Just kidding. ¦D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on April 30, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
Hmm and I thought Private Messages were supposed to be, well, private.

Hence the word, "private" in it.

This shows that not everyone can have power.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Cascade Hellsing on April 30, 2011, 07:14:26 PM
what was this for exactly? Spam? a 2 word post, much like the 1 word post that answered it?  or everything shown here, that apparently is acceptable because quotes are attached to them? I'm a little confused here >.<

It was spam because Songe did a double post just saying "post" "post again"


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 07:19:45 PM
It was spam because Songe did a double post just saying "post" "post again"
oh, so its a minor infraction of the rules, such as 1 word spam posts, or maybe, to an extent, an admin trying to get someone banned because they don't like them.  I see now, thanks for clearing that up.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 07:22:58 PM
Thats it.

whenever an issue comes up about moderation, I'm posting it in general chat.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on April 30, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
Songe, wanted to see if the post count goes up, so she tested it(by spamming) and got warned.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Cascade Hellsing on April 30, 2011, 07:24:37 PM
Songe, wanted to see if the post count goes up, so she tested it and got warned.

She didn't have to do a pointless double post, just a single post could have worked.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 07:25:53 PM
Songe, wanted to see if the post count goes up, so she tested it(by spamming) and got warned.
I, understand that, but thank you.
She didn't have to do a pointless double post, just a single post could have worked.
what a terrible thing to do, double posting.  She should have been banned imo.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on April 30, 2011, 07:26:13 PM
She didn't have to do a pointless double post, just a single post could have worked.
Yeah I know >.>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Helix on April 30, 2011, 07:26:13 PM
She wanted to make sure.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Cascade Hellsing on April 30, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
what a terrible thing to do, double posting.  She should have been banned imo.

It's just pointless spam, not contributing to anything. Rules are rules.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on April 30, 2011, 07:29:01 PM
Can you guys from the beloved KC MM flame war family thread show me where you read that being a sycophant will get you a Mod job? It won't.

Sorry but somebody had to break the news.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Aisuru Senka on April 30, 2011, 07:30:21 PM
Can you guys from the beloved KC MM flame war family thread show me where you read that being a sycophant will get you a Mod job? It won't.

Sorry but somebody had to break the news.
dude. this isn't the place for that. and also, you really don't understand our motives.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Katakiri on April 30, 2011, 07:31:49 PM
dude. this isn't the place for that. and also, you really don't understand our motives.
"Topic: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]"

Pardon?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Helix on April 30, 2011, 07:31:50 PM
Aisuru  please tell me your motives ?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 07:32:54 PM
Rules are rules.
*Looks at OP
No, they apparently are not.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Aisuru Senka on April 30, 2011, 07:33:26 PM
"Topic: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]"

Pardon?
he was flaming the family thread randomly

helix- my motives are simply to defend my opinion. not to suck up. that's not how you get to be a mod


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on April 30, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
dude. this isn't the place for that. and also, you really don't understand our motives.

You again?

Also, as you can see. Every time members from the KC MM Family thread, specifically those with thousands of posts, that just joined a few months ago, and zero hacks, zero knowledge, come in here, a flame war starts.

Are we really supposed to take you seriously?

Knowing you, you're probably gonna reply again.

Be careful though, you might not want to curse at me again. This time it might actually get you in trouble.

That is unless your mommy wife miacis defends you again.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Cascade Hellsing on April 30, 2011, 07:35:53 PM
Just stop all of it before it even beings...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 07:37:37 PM
dude. this isn't the place for that. and also, you really don't understand our motives.

"Our" motives? That's funny. You're saying that as if you assume you hold any important position despite your clear state of insignificance on this forum.

You're just a normal member. Nothing more. You aren't part of the staff nor do you have any connection to them or power as such, so don't try to link yourself together with them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Aisuru Senka on April 30, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
"Our" motives? That's funny. You're saying that as if you assume you hold any important position despite your clear state of insignificance on this forum.

You're just a normal member. Nothing more. You aren't part of the staff nor do you have any connection to them or power as such, so don't try to link yourself together with them.
I was talking about the people who italian said were sucking up to get a mod position


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on April 30, 2011, 07:40:07 PM
Snap out of it. The next time someone posts out of topic, he will get instant moderation. Don't move any flame wars into here. This topic is what the title says, suggestions, appreciations, and reports


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
I was talking about the people who italian said were sucking up to get a mod position


Funny, because according to the English language, when one speaks the word "our" or the many other forms of the word, it would mean that they are including a specific group in mind or even a couple of other individuals while including themselves in said statement. If they wished not to include themselves, they would use "their", which would point out to a group without including themselves. However, it is quite clear that you specifically professed your statement with the word "our", and thus have included yourself in a group in which you do not belong, while giving off the image that you believe yourself to be of higher standing than others.

Do learn to control yourself and keep your head leveled, rather than high in the clouds full of delusions and arrogance, not the mention ignorance.
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnpmod.gif) Failure to comply with an admin

Nice to see your failure at rule comprehension still applies Stickman, as I haven't done even the slightest of things wrong at this point.

And I was ninja'd by your post anyway, so there's no way I would've seen it. or do you just not want any statements that aren't your own to be made right now? Well, despite the fact that I'm not even talking to you anyway. ¦D
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnwarn.gif) sorry, i did ninja you, but the next post that isn't an appreciation, suggestion, report, or on-topic statement/question/concern will give a mute.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
Just stop all of it before it even beings...

sort of like how threads were locked when admins got scared?  Go ahead.  Lock this.  Because fools like yourselves caused others to get angry.  It won't be surprising, especially with all the ridiculous responses you all keep coming up with.  Since the admins everyone except stickman aren't doing their jobs (again?) I'm going to ask you all to stop posting stupid crap.

I was ninja'd by you stickman, I hope you don't mind this post.
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnpmod.gif) Failure to comply with an admin
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnwarn.gif) sorry, i did ninja you, but the next post that isn't an appreciation, suggestion, report, or on-topic statement/question/concern will give a mute.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 07:45:22 PM
Thats it.

whenever an issue comes up about moderation, I'm posting it in general chat.

Go ahead, regular members do it all the time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 07:51:30 PM
Go ahead, regular members do it all the time.

*waves*
now, here's something else that needs some sort of an explanation.
I'd like you present you with another example of how the rules are ignored by their creators.
Here are the rules.  This may be your first time reading them:
(http://i.imgur.com/mEgTH.png)
Here's where they're infracted:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11941
(http://i.imgur.com/QyI3A.jpg)
thank you vish :)

I'd love to see the excuse for this one


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
Funny, because according to the English language, when one speaks the word "our" or the many other forms of the word, it would mean that they are including a specific group in mind or even a couple of other individuals while including themselves in said statement. If they wished not to include themselves, they would use "their", which would point out to a group without including themselves. However, it is quite clear that you specifically professed your statement with the word "our", and thus have included yourself in a group in which you do not belong, while giving off the image that you believe yourself to be of higher standing than others.

Do learn to control yourself and keep your head leveled, rather than high in the clouds full of delusions and arrogance, not the mention ignorance.
([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnpmod.gif[/url]) Failure to comply with an admin

Nice to see your failure at rule comprehension still applies Stickman, as I haven't done even the slightest of things wrong at this point.

And I was ninja'd by your post anyway, so there's no way I would've seen it. or do you just not want any statements that aren't your own to be made right now? Well, despite the fact that I'm not even talking to you anyway. ¦D


Quoting just for you Stickman, just in case you're being a little too blind-sighted to look back and see it. ¦3


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 08:01:36 PM
So, a lot of questions and problems have been posted here, but no answers.  Admins?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on April 30, 2011, 08:07:26 PM
Hmm and I thought Private Messages were supposed to be, well, private.

Hence the word, "private" in it.

Yeah...About that...I'm going to have to apologize to Stickman for posting this conversation we had:

admins could be warned last year. not this year.

And what is the reason for admins not being able to be warned this year? So they can do whatever they want and get away with It?

yes. we took that out so that we could spread mayhem across the boards  :>.>palm: we didnt have the same warning system as last year. it just happens that the new one doesnt have the admin ban permissions, but it is more effective with dealing with the normal people, and we just assume that our admins are at least a little trustworthy

Yes, It just so happens that you can't warn admins with the new system. From what I read about the April Fools Day joke, Miacis prevented people from editing their accounts to force the joke on them. If he can't be punished for that, then just how far does an admin have to go before you realize that having the admins be immune to punishment isn't a good idea? I shouldn't have to explain this to you because you're a smart person, but nobody on any forum should have punishment immunity. That's way too much power, and is the kind of thing that leads to corruption (Yeah...I said It). I wouldn't even trust you with that much power, and I know you can be trusted.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on April 30, 2011, 08:09:55 PM
The only thing going thru my mind after reading all this is.... What Goal are you all trying to reach with all this? Just think about it... What does anyone gain or lose really? Is anyone gonna recieve a prize, or a Check in the mail? What?... Its point less... Or is it just for self-satisfaction?  


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 08:16:45 PM
*waves*
now, here's something else that needs some sort of an explanation.
I'd like you present you with another example of how the rules are ignored by their creators.
Here are the rules.  This may be your first time reading them:
*yes we all know what the rules look like*
Here's where they're infracted:
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11941[/url]
([url]http://i.imgur.com/QyI3A.jpg[/url])
thank you vish :)

I'd love to see the excuse for this one


He made that alt account to try and amuse the people in the family, and it was working to.
You guys are so generous to turn on him.

and think of this, admins here probably have a lot of alternate accounts used to test forum features, ban them too?

You're not very reasonable, and all I really have to say to this is

Don't like it?Leave.We're not forcing you to visit this place.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 08:20:39 PM
The only thing going thru my mind after reading all this is.... What Goal are you all trying to reach with all this? Just think about it... What does anyone gain or lose really? Is anyone gonna recieve a prize, or a Check in the mail? What?... Its point less... Or is it just for self-satisfaction?  

Asking that now would solve anything Nuke, as the ends justify the means.

Then, I'm just here for the hell of it. I didn't do anything to get infracted, be it warned or moderated, so I do in fact request and demand that my level be brought back down to normal. After having an infraction for two months, getting one again simply because an admin is having a hard time grasping things and getting a temper doesn't exactly strike me as a model example of administration and moderation.

However, on the multi-account thing, so it's fine for Vish to have multiple accounts for a joke, but Kata and I can't share an account for a family joke? Yes, that definitely sound perfectly fair.

Though I know you actually sided with me on that Oizen, Miacis allowing this yes infracting the two of us over that definitely is nothing short of hypocrisy.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 08:21:39 PM
Oh, so now amusement is an exception to the rules? cool. story. bro.

The only thing going thru my mind after reading all this is.... What Goal are you all trying to reach with all this? Just think about it... What does anyone gain or lose really? Is anyone gonna recieve a prize, or a Check in the mail? What?... Its point less... Or is it just for self-satisfaction?  
What I'm hoping to come out of this with is a fully functional KC:MM without corrupt admins who constantly abuse their powers.  A KC:MM that everyone can have an enjoyable time on, and inb4 "I hav fun."  Some people feel that the admins are out of place in some areas, specifically ones mentioned on the last few pages that you may or may not have read.  A KC:MM where people aren't discriminated against, where nobody has to worry.  Do you think that the examples provided are acceptable administrator behaviour?  An honest answer.  Please.  Anyone.



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 08:23:50 PM

He made that alt account to try and amuse the people in the family, and it was working to.
You guys are so generous to turn on him.

and think of this, admins here probably have a lot of alternate accounts used to test forum features, ban them too?

You're not very reasonable, and all I really have to say to this is

Don't like it?Leave.We're not forcing you to visit this place.
I can understand admins have alt accounts for testing forum features, but to amuse the family? Well I might as well be able to make multiple accounts just to post in my own threads and have fun right?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on April 30, 2011, 08:27:44 PM
Quite indeed, VILE, it is quite... A petty reason to break the rules.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 08:34:07 PM
You guys do realize the muti account thing is only for people trying to avoid a ban/warning, right?

Funny story on how it happened.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Aisuru Senka on April 30, 2011, 08:34:47 PM
You guys do realize the muti account thing is only for people trying to avoid a ban/warning, right?

Funny story on how it happened.
I thought it was also for people making multi accounts to get hacks of people they wanted with polls


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 08:36:06 PM
I thought it was also for people making multi accounts to get hacks of people they wanted with polls
It is.

Did DRAGONROBOT do this?

No.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
You guys do realize the muti account thing is only for people trying to avoid a ban/warning, right?
  • Creating multiple accounts, or using someone else's account isn't allowed (especially in order to bypass a sanction).

It says it isn't allowed all together, it just adds extra emphasis on the bypass of a warning.

So no I don't realize.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 08:43:04 PM
It says it isn't allowed all together, it just adds extra emphasis on the bypass of a warning.

So no I don't realize.
Thinking like that doesn't get you very far.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 08:52:30 PM
Thinking like that doesn't get you very far.

So presenting the rules to someone who is using them as their defense is implied to be ignorant thinking?

And technically, that is off topic and flaming.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 09:51:25 PM
Talked to sticks, and he said it does apply to all accounts.

You're right. I'll take care of vish.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 09:54:57 PM
Vish isn't the only one that needs taking care of >.>
Look what someone did!
(http://i.imgur.com/zFcJi.png)
Its in the trash!!
Embarrassed?
very Gmod like of you


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 09:57:59 PM
Vish isn't the only one that needs taking care of >.>
Look what someone did!
([url]http://i.imgur.com/zFcJi.png[/url])
Its in the trash!!
embarrassed?
very Gmod like of you



Look at the post above yours
now back to yours.

also, I know what your posts look like, I know what the rules look like, you don't need to take pictures of these.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 10:09:22 PM

Look at the post above yours
now back to yours.

also, I know what your posts look like, I know what the rules look like, you don't need to take pictures of these.


All he was doing was archiving the evidence of an offense.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
All he was doing was archiving the evidence of an offense.
You know that could be called Treason.

Its in a place that information shouldn't leave. But you'll just say "Oh other people have done it before" and not respond to this.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on April 30, 2011, 10:14:14 PM
Ok... I was planning to make this post before but couldn't because the forums where constantly down... and I want to post before the forum goes failing again.
I've read what's been recently posted, and maybe it's not the best time to do my post, but I want to do it after seeing "evidence" being posted by other members.


Let's talk a little about Oizen.

First things first:
1. I don't have any personal problems with him.
2. I talk about things and posts I've personally seen.
3. I've been planning to post this before the most recent events even happened.
4. Sorry if I don't have screenscaps or the quotes to show "evidence".


Oizen has been known as a troll for a long time... it was quite surprising to see him with a "power position".
He passed from kcmm team member to global mod, and I was sincerely amazed when it happened... just how it happened is a complete mystery...
BUT I didn't have a problem with that, I thought "hey, maybe he'll make a good job".
Seems like maybe I was a little wrong...

During the time I've been paying more attention to the off-topic and forum games sections I've seen Oizen's behavior, and I can say he's not been doing a good job.
His way of acting is still troll-like, I've seen him many times spamming, trolling and abusing his power.
Not to say he's completely awful... I mean, a couple of times he's actually made valid warnings... but imo that doesn't compensate with the many times he's acted improperly as a mod.

Moderators are the ones that keep order in the forums, they are an example to the users of how to act... it's a shame that he's an example of a "trolly" mod... what's worse, people just see it as a common and normal thing in him, something that's not worth pointing out or "punishing".
Which raises the question, do Admins and Mods are even "punished" or "warned" for disruptive or improper actions?

A clear example is the infamous family thread.
That thread follows the rules of the forum as well as some explicit rules for it, yet Oizen doesn't follow them BUT "punishes" those who don't.
So, he's practically saying that rules don't apply to him and the people he wants, but apply to everyone else?
Example of rules he's not followed himself:

Quote
3/ No Flaming
If you got something to say, do it in a civilized manner. Same goes for hating, it's fine that you don't like a certain anime/movie/game/person/whatever but there's no need to rub it into everyone's face.
This thread is a place for having fun, so don't bring annoying arguing in here.

Quote
6/ No spam
Once again, this is not a spam topic. Repeating the same sentence over and over again. Too large images. Posting nothing but various kinds of *lurk*, videos, pictures.
All these will be sanctioned. It's annoying, and you're the only one who will laugh about it in most cases.
Also, you can greet someone, that's fine but if you make a post that consists just of "Hi [insert person's name]" it is considered as spam and will clutter up the thread.

There's also the unwritten rule of not making 1 word posts, a rule which he always breaks, but everyone else is affected by it, and enforced to not do it with warnings...

His conception of flaming is quite strange... sometimes an opinion seems flaming to him... while other times actual and clear flaming doesn't even catch his attention... then there's those other times in which he has been the one provoking the flaming... isn't that called trolling?

Spamming, double posting, locking a thread, moving said thread, deleting posts of users... just so he can get a "page claim". Good (ab)use of power...


Again, sorry for not having quotes or links to said actions of his... but you can easily look at his latest posts and see part of that trolling, spamming and flaming.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Katakiri on April 30, 2011, 10:57:03 PM
I'll have to agree with that. He lied to me before about demoting me, and deleting Oizen's avatar.


Im just quoting from my PM's.

He said that when Oizen demoted you, he restored your status. And if he did edit Oizen's avatar, it would say that he edited "Forum Profile Information" not "Account Related Settings"




Bull[censored]. He never repromoted me. When I was demoted, it was either Vyse, Finman, or Oizen that repromoted me back.


Based on my PM's, if OizenX demoted you in the first place, why would he repromote you back in less than 24 hours...

And he said the day he re promoted you, he didnt see Vyse edit your account that week.
To cover his ass. Duh.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 10:57:19 PM
You know that could be called Treason.

Its in a place that information shouldn't leave. But you'll just say "Oh other people have done it before" and not respond to this.

It was originally public, until someone deleted it.

"In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of betrayal of one's sovereign or nation."
I do not see how exposing someone of equal power for deliberately masking public information is treason. It would be treason if I were to defy one of the founders, not someone of identical rank.

And saying "Oh other people have done it before" is pretty much a valid argument at this point, corrupt staff are breaking rules constantly and it rarely goes with consequence. Just because people of lower power are not agreeing with you, they should be punished? No, that in reality is a violation of rights.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on April 30, 2011, 11:11:37 PM
*sigh*

I hate people.

Anyway, it has already been said once... but I'll repeat it. This thread is for appreciation, suggestion, and reports. No need to drag this topic into any current drama.

And my two cents: People on both sides of this are taking themselves way too seriously. While rules should be followed by both the staff and the general public, the rules are there to stop serious issues --- not to be the source of petty squabbles.

That said, I'm not gonna spend my time sorting out this issue. I've 'retired' once and never really have come back; I'm here because I have near-absolute control of the forum and brawlvault database (right under Dantarion) and the only people I've trusted with such control have either quit or are considering it.

So... everyone, calm down. I'd rather not ban people (I'm normally the most lenient guy here...) but I have no problem banning, at least temporarily, a good chunk of posters AND staff if it'll quell tempers a bit.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 11:17:35 PM
Picano, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but an admin's powers were removed because he disagreed with other staff.  I'm pretty sure that doesn't fall under "petty squable."


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on April 30, 2011, 11:20:49 PM
While the actions may not be petty, the reasons themselves are.

And no, I did not realize. Who?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 11:21:30 PM
Picano, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but an admin's powers were removed because he disagreed with other staff.  I'm pretty sure that doesn't fall under "petty squable."
It really is nothing more.

The threads were going just fine until Haku-men made that thread about the post count issue.

This entire mess came from an issue involving post counts counting in a sub board of the off topic section.

Now isn't that stupid? Regardless, Picano has spoken.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
*sigh*

I hate people.

Anyway, it has already been said once... but I'll repeat it. This thread is for appreciation, suggestion, and reports. No need to drag this topic into any current drama.

And my two cents: People on both sides of this are taking themselves way too seriously. While rules should be followed by both the staff and the general public, the rules are there to stop serious issues --- not to be the source of petty squabbles.

That said, I'm not gonna spend my time sorting out this issue. I've 'retired' once and never really have come back; I'm here because I have near-absolute control of the forum and brawlvault database (right under Dantarion) and the only people I've trusted with such control have either quit or are considering it.

So... everyone, calm down. I'd rather not ban people (I'm normally the most lenient guy here...) but I have no problem banning, at least temporarily, a good chunk of posters AND staff if it'll quell tempers a bit.

...While I don't really care about anything that's going on...

Really Picano? You're not going to try sorting this out just because you "don't feel like it"? What's the point of Jack leaving you in complete control of the forum if you're just going to be lazy and not do anything? No offense, but sheesh, if you hate the job that much, quit and find someone else who can do it, or just let the clusterf*** of a forum and staff decide amongst itself who should be head honcho. I mean, if that's how you feel, then what happens might as well not concern you one bit.

Not trying to cause more damage than needed...Well, I don't care if it does anyways, but you come off as sounding like you just don't want to do anything, and that it's not your problem. Normally, it wouldn't be at all, but considering who you are here, just about everything is. -.o'

Unless I'm just missing something here, cause I tend to do that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on April 30, 2011, 11:25:01 PM
While the actions may not be petty, the reasons themselves are.

And no, I did not realize. Who?

That would be Haku-Men, formerly known as Shadow, sir.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 11:26:12 PM
That would be Haku-Men, formerly known as Shadow, sir.
But he's a moderator now, and he should be fine with that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on April 30, 2011, 11:26:50 PM
But he's a moderator now, and he should be fine with that.

He asked, I answered. Nothing else quite needed.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
While the actions may not be petty, the reasons themselves are.

And no, I did not realize. Who?

It's a fairly long and rediculous story, so bear with me here.
Haku makes forum game posts not count under everyone's post count.  Other staff get angry, haku posts this to get the general public's opinion.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23675.0

stuff gets out of hand, it gets locked.  I try to reason with staff members on the issue of post count, Haku's demote, and their rediculous behavior, and get nowhere.  So I post this:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0

stuff gets out of hand, it gets locked.  
In the morning this is posted:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23751.0

Today the posts begin on page 13. As suggested, I took my complaints to this thread, and what you can see now occurred.

and unlike other responses, I'm telling the whole story.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on April 30, 2011, 11:28:06 PM
But he's a moderator now, and he should be fine with that.

How so? That's like being fired from a corporate job and rehired as the janitor. I wouldn't be happy.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on April 30, 2011, 11:28:22 PM
@Wave: picano controls the daabase. if he quits, there's no more forum. just saying.
that's an exhausting job on its own. he of all people shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 11:29:47 PM
How so? That's like being fired from a corporate job and rehired as the janitor. I wouldn't be happy.
Mods have more power then that sort of comparison.

and he should have saw it coming after doing what he did, he paid for his actions.


He asked, I answered. Nothing else quite needed.
and I was informing Picano, just quoted you so he'd know about what.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 11:31:49 PM
It really is nothing more.

The threads were going just fine until Haku-men made that thread about the post count issue.

This entire mess came from an issue involving post counts counting in a sub board of the off topic section.

Now isn't that stupid? Regardless, Picano has spoken.

The problem was caused neither by the thread nor Shadow. There have been complaints about Oizen and because of people trying to backup their arguments... well you know the rest.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 11:32:30 PM
The problem was caused neither by the thread nor Shadow. There have been complaints about Oizen and because of people trying to backup their arguments... well you know the rest.
In a thread that hakumen made about posts in the forum game section.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 11:32:48 PM
@Wave: picano controls the database. if he quits, there's no more forum. just saying.
that's an exhausting job on its own. he of all people shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense.

Oh cry me a river. It's what the job entitles. Stressful or not, it's just like a real job. Do it and get over it, or pass the position on and get out.

Only difference is, he's not being paid to do this, so there's nothing to keep him here if he doesn't want to be, and it definitely sounds like he doesn't want to be.

Do not mistake this message as me trying to kick you out Picano. That's hardly the case.

Mods have more power then that sort of comparison.

and he should have saw it coming after doing what he did, he paid for his actions.

and I was informing Picano, just quoted you so he'd know about what.

...You know, you're seriously starting to sound full of yourself now. "He paid for his actions"? You say that as if he actually did something heinously wrong.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on April 30, 2011, 11:35:11 PM
...While I don't really care about anything that's going on...

Really Picano? You're not going to try sorting this out just because you "don't feel like it"? What's the point of Jack leaving you in complete control of the forum if you're just going to be lazy and not do anything? No offense, but sheesh, if you hate the job that much, quit and find someone else who can do it, or just let the clusterf*** of a forum and staff decide amongst itself who should be head honcho. I mean, if that's how you feel, then what happens might as well not concern you one bit.

Not trying to cause more damage than needed...Well, I don't care if it does anyways, but you come off as sounding like you just don't want to do anything, and that it's not your problem. Normally, it wouldn't be at all, but considering who you are here, just about everything it. -.o'

Unless I'm just missing something here, cause I tend to do that.

I'm in control because either no one wants the position or I don't believe they can handle it.
-Vyse: Quit.
-Jack: Vanished for a long time.
-Miacis: Quit (somewhat)
-Dantarion: He hosts us but he's not a very reliable guy (see: BrawlTex)

There may be some trustworthy people on the forum but I neither have a way to figure out who nor do I want them to despise the community as much as I do at times like this. --- A friend once said, "Never staff something you enjoy".

As far as why I'd rather mass ban people than investigate... it is all subjective; I can read as many posts as I want, review as many logs as I can, but I'll never find a single objective view as to what has happened. Oh, that and I'm a senior in college / will be working a full time job in about a week.

Further more... unfortunately as the problem branches into staff territory (hell, admin territory) none of my logs are trustworthy. So, in my opinion... I feel it best to mass-ban and let everyone cool off a bit; the alternative is leaving KC-MM in the hands of someone I may not trust, possibly dooming it completely either due to further drama or catastrophic database failure.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 11:35:49 PM
I see acting without the consent of the administration team to edit part of the board as a serious offense.



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on April 30, 2011, 11:36:47 PM
It's a fairly long and rediculous story, so bear with me here.
Haku makes forum game posts not count under everyone's post count.  Other staff get angry, haku posts this to get the general public's opinion.
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23675.0[/url]

stuff gets out of hand, it gets locked.  I try to reason with staff members on the issue of post count, Haku's demote, and their rediculous behavior, and get nowhere.  So I post this:
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0[/url]

stuff gets out of hand, it gets locked.  
In the morning this is posted:
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23751.0[/url]

Today the posts begin on page 13. As suggested, I took my complaints to this thread, and what you can see now occurred.

and unlike other responses, I'm telling the whole story.

sorry, nobody heard me through the bull[censored]


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 11:39:14 PM
In a thread that hakumen made about posts in the forum game section.
That is irrelevant, the same things could have happened in any thread.

he paid for his actions.
Much worse things have been said by both you, I and probably the rest of the staff, should we all be stripped of our position?

I see acting without the consent of the administration team to edit part of the board as a serious offense.
That was not the reason of his demotion, it was because he stated that drage needed to be put in his place.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on April 30, 2011, 11:40:50 PM
Honestly, I don't see how a mass ban would help this situation. True, people may cool off during the ban... but what's stopping from them from coming back and starting this whole ordeal over again? It's a big mess either way, really.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 11:41:37 PM
That is irrelevant, the same things could have happened in any thread.
Doesn't make it not off topic, and the hate was about me and the forum games.

not just me.

Much worse things have been said by both you, I and probably the rest of the staff, should we all be stripped of our position?
The difference between petty theft and murder.



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Parvati ~ <3 on April 30, 2011, 11:42:44 PM
. Oh, that and I'm a senior in college / will be working a full time job in about a week.

Are you Saying the Forum is gonna like... die in  a week? Being so that you control the whole database...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on April 30, 2011, 11:44:23 PM
The difference between petty theft and murder.
The difference is that one is much more serious and has a punishment much more severe.

That statement leaves us as uncaught murderers.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 30, 2011, 11:45:08 PM
I'm in control because either no one wants the position or I don't believe they can handle it.
-Vyse: Quit.
-Jack: Vanished for a long time.
-Miacis: Quit (somewhat)
-Dantarion: He hosts us but he's not a very reliable guy (see: BrawlTex)

There may be some trustworthy people on the forum but I neither have a way to figure out who nor do I want them to despise the community as much as I do at times like this. --- A friend once said, "Never staff something you enjoy".

As far as why I'd rather mass ban people than investigate... it is all subjective; I can read as many posts as I want, review as many logs as I can, but I'll never find a single objective view as to what has happened. Oh, that and I'm a senior in college / will be working a full time job in about a week.

Further more... unfortunately as the problem branches into staff territory (hell, admin territory) none of my logs are trustworthy. So, in my opinion... I feel it best to mass-ban and let everyone cool off a bit; the alternative is leaving KC-MM in the hands of someone I may not trust, possibly dooming it completely either due to further drama or catastrophic database failure.

I talked to Jack earlier today and he's fully aware of the current situation and keeping watch over it.

Miacis happens to be an admin again for some reason, though he seems to be part of the "problem" going on here.

Vyse...Meh.

And yeah, Dant might as well not even exist here.

As for the mass banning thing though, that's doing nothing but covering up the issue at hand and letting it linger. It may seem like it's gone, but then it'll come out of nowhere, worse than ever. Mass perma-banning is even worse in a technical sense being that while the issue may end, nothing will be resolved. Plus, it's possible the issue will rise again in another form, or the very same one will come again somehow.

It's basically just saying "I don't feel like dealing with/fixing this, so gtfo". Granted the others should be able to resolve it themselves, but look how far that's gotten everyone.

Nothing has been resolved and everyone is just angrily yelling back and forth and pointing fingers. Someone wants someone to pay, or someone wants someone to shut up for good. No one is trying to just come to a calm resolution where we can just go back to communicating positively and peacefully again.

It's kind of sad really...not the mention damn outrageous. E-drama, I swear. - -'


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on April 30, 2011, 11:45:47 PM
The difference is that one is much more serious and has a punishment much more severe.

That statement leaves us as uncaught murderers.
Not really.

I'm sorry but editing what a board does isn't even comparable to doing something like double posting.

Your arguments are invalid.

(loltypo)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on April 30, 2011, 11:50:23 PM
Are you Saying the Forum is gonna like... die in  a week? Being so that you control the whole database...

No. I'll be able to help in my free time but, if this situation continues and I do quit... no one will be around to fix technical issues when they happen. In that scenario, the forum WILL be dead until Dantarion does something --- if he even is around / wants to.

Nothing has been resolved and everyone is just angrily yelling back and forth and pointing fingers. Someone wants someone to pay, or someone wants someone to shut up for good. No one is trying to just come to a calm resolution where we can just go back to communicating positively and peacefully again.

It's kind of sad really...not the mention damn outrageous. E-drama, I swear. - -'

It's pushing it under the rug, sure, but well see below.

Honestly, I don't see how a mass ban would help this situation. True, people may cool off during the ban... but what's stopping from them from coming back and starting this whole ordeal over again? It's a big mess either way, really.

Good point, and while that may happen... I see it as my best solution.

1) The guys I trust to handle the situation have already quit or want to quit because of this crap.
2) One alternative is killing the Family Thread in every way, shape, or form. (And I see that ending very badly)
3) Third alternative is a complete staff overhaul. (Again, outside of a select few... I don't know who I can trust that would want the job thanks to this)

If you've got a better alternative, I'd love to hear it. Of course, if it takes too much time / effort... still face the issue of getting someone to handle it.

Anyway, end of discussion. All further posts that are not helpful (attempting to rectify the situation) will be deleted; all posts critical of other members will be deleted and their posters will be banned for 1 day minimum.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on May 01, 2011, 05:55:33 AM
I think this counts as helping the situation ... I'm trying to explain politely everything that was asked to us and wasn't really properly answered IMO. Feel free to edit out any part you seem innapropriate.

Quote
Haku-men was a pretty effective moderator. I guess it was pretty hasty to downgrade him as a Team member, so I re-put him as a mod with all my apologies. As for why he's not an admin, it's more specific, and I'll answer it later (see below).
Ok, lets hear it.
At the time I wrote the apology, I didn't know what Haku-men used his Admin powers for. Since I asked the question "what will you do with your admin powers ?" to every other mod applying to being an admin, I found it fair to ask him too beforehand.
Now, he's replied, and given pretty convincing reasons to me. I'll discuss it with the team, but to me it's okay.

Hmm and I thought Private Messages were supposed to be, well, private.

Hence the word, "private" in it.

This shows that not everyone can have power.
Never have we written or even evocated any rule that said Private messages can't be posted in the admin section. It's the same as reporting to a mod, except Oizen was doing it here to every other mod/admin.
He was perfectly in his right here.

oh, so its a minor infraction of the rules, such as 1 word spam posts, or maybe, to an extent, an admin trying to get someone banned because they don't like them.  I see now, thanks for clearing that up.
I know we are evil, but it was a minor sanction, for a minor sanction. Stop trying to make it look like we hold grudges against everyone we see. Really.

Can you guys from the beloved KC MM flame war family thread show me where you read that being a sycophant will get you a Mod job? It won't.

Sorry but somebody had to break the news.
Ahhh ... the "people in the KCMM Family get to be mods" conspiracy theory ... let's have a look at the facts.

In our moderator list, we still have Canon98, plasmakirby, segab, Gazoinks. These people aren't all that active anymore, and don't even participate in the Family Thread. Let's just skip them.

Next, we have LookItsLink. Who's been a mod ever since the global de-adminization changes, way before the Family even appeared.

dRage, who's been a mod ever since the exact same event.

Oizen was chosen as a mod before the Family Thread too, IIRCE. And he decided to resign, anyway, so yeah.

VILE was an admin, we downgraded him to mod at some time because of lack of activity, (I think ? ). Not a part of the Family either.

Haku-men told me about ds22 being from the Family Thread ... ds22 isn't a part of the Family Thread at all, for starters. And I'm pretty sure we barely ever see him in the Off-Topic boards either. He was chosen mostly for his (extremely) frequent accurate reports on the boards. Right now, he's basically our Sniping Mod. He's also knowledgeable enough about Brawl Hacking, and is one of our "contacts" as to what happens on the SWF. (Well, to me he is. o_o")

Vishkugeta was a mod on the Tourney boards, but that's not what made us chose it. He's a Conflict-solver. He's got a calm and understanding attitude, is helpful and dedicated. When we needed to get on more mod, he was simply the best active candidate we found in the team.

Now, ItalianStallion, you've loved to claim around that the people in the Family get to be mods, are treated favorably, etc etc... what are YOUR facts ?

Quote
[multi-account thing]
I'd love to see the excuse for this one
Sure. Read the rules, and you'll find out, eventually. :)
(Hint : it's in the Accounts section.)

Translation (it's a bit difficult to understand, apparently ?) : We don't allow multi-accounts unless a good reason is given. And yes, doing a little hoax then ditching the account is a good enough reason. Bypassing a sanction isn't one, however.

Now the question is : did it affect you (or anyone) ? Because if you're here to complain about things that don't harm anything or anyone, then uh ... just say it, beause it's a waste of time IMHO.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how a mod "abusing their powers" to do something of no consequences (when there are consequences, it's a different thing, of course ...) is supposed to be punished ? I dunno, but just what is the point ?

Quote
Which raises the question, do Admins and Mods are even "punished" or "warned" for disruptive or improper actions?
Well, they get scolded, and can get demoted. And yes, just like on any boards on the internet, that means mods/admins get extra chances before getting actually sanctionned.
*shrugs* Deal with it.

Quote
The problem was caused neither by the thread nor Shadow. There have been complaints about Oizen and because of people trying to backup their arguments... well you know the rest.
Question is : why do people have to say everything they hate about this forum NOW ?
Is it because it's so much easier to follow the trend, or so that they want to cause drama ?

I'd probably consider the issue a bit more seriously if the complaints were abut stuff actually having any real consequences. So far, the only issues of consequence I've seen are Oizen's rank (he resigned), and Shadow's rank (gonna have a serious discussion about it in the Admin section).
Everything else, I'll try to solve it by having a little debate in the Admin section about how admin/mods can and should use their powers.

The only thing going thru my mind after reading all this is.... What Goal are you all trying to reach with all this? Just think about it... What does anyone gain or lose really? Is anyone gonna recieve a prize, or a Check in the mail? What?... Its point less... Or is it just for self-satisfaction?
Quoted for truth.
There are some very valid complaints, and I'll try to see them through with the rest of the admin team. Sorry, but everything else is just speculation about how evil we are, and is about matters of no consequence. And no consequence means Priority Zero to me.

So far, the complaints themselves have deteriorated the atmosphere on the boards much more than what they were supposed to solve. I'm pretty sure there were much more reasonnable ways to convey the message than trying to make us look evil at all costs.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on May 09, 2011, 04:45:40 PM
?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24172.0


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on May 09, 2011, 04:50:39 PM
?

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24172.0[/url]


THAT'S RARE..........!!!
NVM Post was erased....


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nanobuds on May 18, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
alright, i posted this in the wrong thread, but i think its a problem that needs to be addressed. and if this is against the rules to post in 2 threads, fine. give me a warning i dont care.
there should really be better censorship with pics and avatars in this forum. there are waaay too many anime girls with oversized and obnoxious breasts. for example, i dont want to have to see Mr. Ludicolo's avatar all the time, or NaruZeldaMaster's sig. its disrespectful to women, and its unneeded for this forum. if they wanna look at those pics, there r plenty of websites for that


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on May 18, 2011, 04:03:44 PM
Firefox

AdBlock Plus

Right-click image

"AdBlock Plus: Block image"

WHOA IT'S GONE

Adjust steps to suit browser of choice. Unless you're using IE.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Cascade Hellsing on May 18, 2011, 04:04:32 PM
Firefox

AdBlock Plus

Right-click image

"AdBlock Plus: Block image"

WHOA IT'S GONE

Pride already gave him that argument....


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on May 18, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
That's exactly what i said, but it seems his pc can't handle firefox.. So he wants a rule.. -.-


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: the98pika on May 18, 2011, 04:09:21 PM
I think it should not be a rule. because there is only Mr.Luccdo <--I failed to spell the name.
and naruzeldamaster's signature (That is what he said) so with only two people i don't think it should be a rule.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on May 18, 2011, 04:10:06 PM
He should try Firefox 4; it's significantly faster.

Or...

AdBlock Plus for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nanobuds on May 18, 2011, 04:13:47 PM
That's exactly what i said, but it seems his pc can't handle firefox.. So he wants a rule.. -.-

this :/
I think it should not be a rule. because there is only Mr.Luccdo <--I failed to spell the name.
and naruzeldamaster's signature (That is what he said) so with only two people i don't think it should be a rule.

and lucky eva (aka DMN)

if just a few ppl use it, why not make it a rule?
He should try Firefox 4; it's significantly faster.

Or...

AdBlock Plus for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb)
i use chrome. so i guess ill use that


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: the98pika on May 18, 2011, 04:20:26 PM
Few people=Useless rule?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on May 18, 2011, 05:07:36 PM
Few people=Useless rule?

by that logic, since there aren't a lot of murderers, there should be no laws against murder.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: the98pika on May 18, 2011, 05:28:35 PM
by that logic, since there aren't a lot of murderers, there should be no laws against murder.
You didn't get the point...There is two differents between real life murders and fourms rules.

Murders needs to be a law because murders hurt a lot of people
fourm rules SOME (Like this one) only hurts very few people.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on May 18, 2011, 05:40:41 PM
You didn't get the point...There is two differents between real life murders and fourms rules.

Murders needs to be a law because murders hurt a lot of people
fourm rules SOME (Like this one) only hurts very few people.
almost sentence
You didn't get the point...I can use a different example if you like.
Public urination.
Its against the law (I think? I guess any sort of public indecency is considered an offence, but I digress).  It isn't common.  It doesn't "hurt a lot of people."
But its also disgusting and nobody wants to see it.  So dey maked it a lawz.

My point was, just because an offence is uncommon, doesn't mean it should be ignored and rules shouldn't be made about it.

I really don't care too much about this whole censor debate, yeah it kinda bothers me, but not enough to right click their avatar and block the image.
But if you're going to argue, at least try to use half-decent logic to back yourself up.




Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on May 18, 2011, 05:49:50 PM
As long as the avatars and signatures are within compliance of the forum rules, then I don't think we should change them just for one person who has a problem with the avatars/signatures of a few people.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: the98pika on May 18, 2011, 05:50:38 PM
I'm not trying to argue, And i don't care if it will be a rule either but it's up to the mods (Or whoever does it)if they want to add the rule or not.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Parvati ~ <3 on May 18, 2011, 10:36:53 PM
by that logic, since there aren't a lot of murderers, there should be no laws against murder.
This^



@ the98pika, that is almost the exact same thing as what your proposing...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on May 22, 2011, 07:31:22 AM
I've a problem with the RSS of Brawl Vault.

I want to put the RSS of Brawl Vault on my forum for see all new hack on scrolling.

But the RSS of Brawl Vault don't have any pics, only the text. THe RSS have a problem?

Thank to help me.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashClash on May 22, 2011, 11:25:53 AM
I've a problem with the RSS of Brawl Vault.

I want to put the RSS of Brawl Vault on my forum for see all new hack on scrolling.

But the RSS of Brawl Vault don't have any pics, only the text. THe RSS have a problem?

Thank to help me.

Try this: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=All&Reported=All&Name=%25&ByUser=%25&Credit=%25&Info=%25&Thumb1=%25&Type=%25%25&TypeAlt=%25


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on May 22, 2011, 12:08:11 PM
Try this: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=All&Reported=All&Name=%25&ByUser=%25&Credit=%25&Info=%25&Thumb1=%25&Type=%25%25&TypeAlt=%25[/url]


No, that put the RSS of KC MM Actuality :
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2i72qlg.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashClash on May 22, 2011, 12:17:13 PM
No, that put the RSS of KC MM Actuality :
[im]http://i55.tinypic.com/2i72qlg.png[/img]

Oh, that sort, sorry idk then...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on May 22, 2011, 12:23:03 PM
No problem, thank for the help.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on May 22, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
The RSS does have pics, so... it's an error on your end.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on May 22, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
I learn a tutorial and my forum use HTLM Code.

The code was created by a site web : http://www.feedbucket.com/


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on May 22, 2011, 05:05:57 PM
I have some suggestions regarding the index layout.
News and Introductions make sense being at the top, but online gaming and Off-topic Discussion do not.  Especially Off-topic Discussion.  It should be at the bottom, or at least below the hacking board.

I see a lot of people asking for help on the stage board as well.  Rather than move all of those threads, why isn't there a help child board?

On-topic Discussion is way to broad.  There should be some sort of divisions there, similar to what SWF does.  Things are getting buried pretty quickly there now.

Tournaments doesn't get much action, and I think its because its at the very bottom.
Overall, it could use more subdivisions, its a little cluttered.

KTHX4READING.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on May 28, 2011, 09:50:04 AM
I kept getting an error when I tried to report a post.

"Database Error
Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator."


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DTST on May 31, 2011, 12:14:40 PM
I had 500 posts and was a mega kitten now for some reason it's gone down to 485


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on May 31, 2011, 01:52:14 PM
Must be that someone removed a thread that contained some of your post. Thats why.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on May 31, 2011, 02:28:19 PM
Must be that someone removed a thread that contained some of your post. Thats why.
Indeed. And looking at the Recycle Bin, I think it comes from Helter Skelter's CSP/SSP/Icon thread. ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on May 31, 2011, 02:33:55 PM
Indeed. And looking at the Recycle Bin, I think it comes from Helter Skelter's CSP/SSP/Icon thread. ;)
What! Why would he delete his thread T-T. It was going along great.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on May 31, 2011, 02:48:34 PM
Indeed. And looking at the Recycle Bin, I think it comes from Helter Skelter's CSP/SSP/Icon thread. ;)
:oshi: Why did he go and do that..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on May 31, 2011, 03:22:13 PM
Ask him, don't ask me. o_Ô


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DTST on May 31, 2011, 03:24:25 PM
Shiiitt helter was great ah well


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Juri Han on May 31, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
Aww :/ Now I feel bad...

I apologize you guys, but I deleted my thread for two reasons. I want my (future?) thread to look a bit more professional, aaaaand I honestly didn't think my CSP's were all that great O.o

But yeah, if that messed with anyone, I'm sorry, and you guys are still welcome to ask for CSP's if you want


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on May 31, 2011, 11:57:23 PM
:af: :af: :af:

This user keeps spamming all of these threads!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 01, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
This user keeps spamming all of these threads!
That's because it's a bot, check the ??? links in his signature.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on June 04, 2011, 02:43:38 PM
KC-MM is back! But, what happened?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on June 04, 2011, 02:45:48 PM
Hey Yeah What Happened To KC-MM?? I Was REALLY REALLY REALLY BORED!! Withouth KC-MM Im Bored!

Glad That Is Back! :happy:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Hakumen on June 04, 2011, 02:48:54 PM
KC-MM is back! But, what happened?

_Data_Drain_ drained us off the web. [/troll]

Something about Conan. I don't know anything else, but that's about it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: the98pika on June 04, 2011, 02:49:31 PM
Yay! kc-mm is back! what happen to this place? i was bored too...

Edit: Conan? well hope it never happens again.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on June 04, 2011, 02:53:48 PM
Umm What Conan What's Wrong With That Hack?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 04, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
Guys, if you want to talk about it i suggest you make a topic in off-topic/on-topic (where ever it goes since it's about KCMM) and continue there.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on June 04, 2011, 02:57:47 PM
Ok Sorry... Umm But I Think Is Better In On-Topic So I Would Make it there


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Parvati ~ <3 on June 04, 2011, 09:19:52 PM
Conan? anyways,
I thought I got Perma-Banned or Something o.0


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on June 04, 2011, 09:32:32 PM
Conan? anyways,
I thought I got Perma-Banned or Something o.0
What makes you think that?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Parvati ~ <3 on June 04, 2011, 09:42:15 PM
What makes you think that?

I Couldnt Get on  , and it said "Problem : DEM (NOT AVAILABLE TO IP ADDRESS)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on June 04, 2011, 10:13:21 PM
If you're banned it'll show you a message that says "You have been banned from this forum." then it'll have the reason.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 05, 2011, 01:35:50 PM
Okay guys, we've done some cleaning on the admin panel and added/removed a few stuff.

- Topics are marked as Hot for 3+ pages, and Very Hot for 6+ pages. (It was 1 and 3 pages, before.)

- The search function should go a little bit faster, now. :P

- We're still working on the new censoring system, but anyone can now see through the censorship system if they want, in their Profile. (Look and Layout section)

- It shouldn't affect many people, but if you make a word longer than 50 characters, the boards will go to the line at the 50th character, to avoid page stretching. (Previous value was 200.) This DOES NOT affect URLs.

- I tried activating an option that COULD make the boards run a little bit faster. Or not at all. We'll de-activate it if nothing seems to have changed. :P

And most noticeably ...
I masterfully installed a fantastic auto-resize feature for pictures. (Read : I checked two boxes in the Admin Panel. :P)
So now, pictures in posts that go over the 700x1200 limit will get automatically ressized to fit that limit. :3


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 06, 2011, 02:41:42 AM
I've noticed that every time i use the &#039; in a post and i want to edit it that i get this:
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/weird.png)

It changes the ' into &#039; and that changes with every edit..
This has been since yesterday i think, never had it before. Any idea what might cause this?

edit: It seems to happen with a lot of the special symbols..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DTST on June 06, 2011, 03:26:40 AM
Speaking of bannings why is stickman banned?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 06, 2011, 03:47:50 AM
Speaking of bannings why is stickman banned?
Stickman isn't banned, at least.. not according to his profile.
He is missing his powers, picture and everything else though O_o"

edit: He logged in 5 minutes ago, he isn't banned.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on June 06, 2011, 04:22:17 AM
Stickman isn't banned, at least.. not according to his profile.
He is missing his powers, picture and everything else though O_o"

edit: He logged in 5 minutes ago, he isn't banned.
I was for the past 5 days though. In short, abuse of trust and power. Nothing that needs reintroduction or discussion again.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 06, 2011, 04:27:22 AM
I was for the past 5 days though. In short, abuse of trust and power. Nothing that needs reintroduction or discussion again.
Oh sorry, i didn't know that..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on June 08, 2011, 08:05:55 AM
I've noticed that every time i use the &#039; in a post and i want to edit it that i get this:
([url]http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/weird.png[/url])

It changes the ' into &#039; and that changes with every edit..
This has been since yesterday i think, never had it before. Any idea what might cause this?

edit: It seems to happen with a lot of the special symbols..

Yeah, special characters show up in html code now.  They still post the same though.  could this be because of this?
- I tried activating an option that COULD make the boards run a little bit faster. Or not at all. We'll de-activate it if nothing seems to have changed. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 08, 2011, 08:08:35 AM
Yeah, special characters show up in html code now.  They still post the same though.  could this be because of this?
That's exactly what i was thinking that day, it could be it. They could try and set that option off and see what happens. If that works then we know the cause.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 08, 2011, 08:13:44 AM
No, that option was related to hostnames checkups. Nothing to do with what happens in posts.

I found the real reason of this thing, but I need to discuss it with picano to see if we can solve this without resorting to removing a convenient new feature ...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 08, 2011, 08:15:58 AM
I found the real reason of this thing, but I need to discuss it with picano to see if we can solve this without resorting to removing a convenient new feature ...
Ah ok, well it's good you found it. Since it's kinda annoying to have to change the symbols everytime you edit something ^_^"

Quite annoying to be honest xD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on June 09, 2011, 09:28:56 AM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25946.0

WTF Is That?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Cascade Hellsing on June 09, 2011, 09:29:51 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25946.0[/url]

WTF Is That?


It's a topic someone made, where no one replied, and they deleted the first post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 09, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
I can't modify my OP thread, i've got everytime :

Error 500.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 17, 2011, 07:36:11 AM
Seriously, i can't modify my thread, that do everytime Error 500.

Everytime when i want Edit my first post of the thread.

Now that do 2 weeks ago. >.>

Quote
WHAT THE... yeah - Too much traffic...

Not much we can do about having too many people online at once. Heh. Refresh the page, and try again.

Requested URL: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=post2;start=0;msg=288296;sesc=fea53d3e9e3a8e61430e0c4cf7001322;board=30[/url]


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 17, 2011, 08:12:03 AM
Normally, I'd just say "it's random, it happens to everyone, so just try again until it works". Or "Try with another browser."

But let's just keep it simple. PM me the whole contents of the edited OP and I'll edit it in for you.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 17, 2011, 08:13:38 AM
Hey Miacis, have you found a way to fix the "issue" with the special symbols that change during an edit?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 17, 2011, 08:27:25 AM
Dang, I forgot about it. I need to discuss it with picano ...
Next time I get on MSN I'll do that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 17, 2011, 08:31:42 AM
Dang, I forgot about it. I need to discuss it with picano ...
Next time I get on MSN I'll do that.
Alright, no rush. Just wondering ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 17, 2011, 08:39:59 AM
Normally, I'd just say "it's random, it happens to everyone, so just try again until it works". Or "Try with another browser."

But let's just keep it simple. PM me the whole contents of the edited OP and I'll edit it in for you.

Happen the same when i try to send you the text on PM.

Error 500.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 17, 2011, 08:41:59 AM
Happen the same when i try to send you the text on PM.

Error 500.
Then send it to me by PM on Nintendo-Revolution. o_o


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 17, 2011, 09:02:27 AM
Then send it to me by PM on Nintendo-Revolution. o_o

WTF, i did to modify the thread..

But i can't re-edit lol.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 17, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
... Parle-moi en français, j'ai rien compris, et ce sera plus simple. >.>

("Speak in French, 'cause I didn't get a word you just said, and it should be more simple.")


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 17, 2011, 09:07:16 AM
J'ai édité le topic et ca à marché, mais j'ai retenté de éditer et ca marche plus.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 17, 2011, 09:36:01 AM
J'ai édité le topic et ca à marché, mais j'ai retenté de éditer et ca marche plus.
("I edited the topic, and it worked. But then I tried again, and it doesn't work anymore.")

Oui, c'est exactement pour ça que je t'ai dit que ça arrivait complétement au hasard et qu'il suffisait d'essayer jusqu'à ce que ça marche. Apparemment, les gros posts mettent plus de temps, donc ya plus de chance que les errreurs se produisent comme ça.

Normalement, si tu n'as pas un navigateur en mousse, faire "Précédente" sur la page d'erreur te permettra de refaire "Poster" ta chance sans avoir à re-éditer ton post.

("Indeed, and that's exactly why I told you that it happenned completely at random at that you just needed to try until it works. Apparently, big posts take longer to process, so there's a higher chance for errors to happen.

Normally, unless you have a really lame internet browser, clicking "Previous" on the error page should allow you to use "Post" again without having to re-edit your post.")


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 19, 2011, 12:42:58 PM
we need to get the server Bigger i can´t update my Thread now with all the images/test becoz of that 500 error even then almost no one is online i still getting that


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on June 19, 2011, 05:58:31 PM
we need to get the server Bigger i can´t update my Thread now with all the images/test becoz of that 500 error even then almost no one is online i still getting that
have you tried donating to dantarion?  That might fix it.  Otherwise you really shouldn't complain.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 20, 2011, 03:23:26 AM
have you tried donating to dantarion?  That might fix it.  Otherwise you really shouldn't complain.
i wish i can since this site is awesome but i can´t pay for things on the internet no credit card or paypal(yet)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 20, 2011, 03:23:50 AM
we need to get the server Bigger i can´t update my Thread now with all the images/test becoz of that 500 error even then almost no one is online i still getting that
Yeah ... except we don't have infinite funds or server space, so ...
It's already pretty sweet that Dantarion is willing to host us when we're that big already.

It's easy to complain about the 500 error, but nobody in the website team is ever seeing a single $ of what is donated, so what we can provide you is exactly what you give us. Heck, even a few members of the team donated already.

Edit : Ninja'd ... sorta. :ninja'd:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 20, 2011, 07:06:17 AM
Apparently you delete all messages about the story of me with Nekomon. -_-


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 20, 2011, 01:30:32 PM
Apparently you delete all messages about the story of me with Nekomon. -_-

Quote from: PAVGN
I'm not saying what nekomon said was right, but KTH, you need to stop overreacting to his actions. First the whole "stealing" issue in the Brawlvault thread and now this? Use the "report to admin" button next time. What you are doing is public posting his PMs to get the people on your side and essentially organizing a witch hunt against him. That is far worse than any single rude comment anyone could send anybody.

I'll actually agree with PAVGN on that one. You already sent a report to the admins. Starting a witch hunt here and having everyone pity you won't accelerate the case being taken care of.

(And I don't know who deleted the posts. Wasn't me.)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 20, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
Je vais parler en francais.

L'histoire de Nekomon a commencé depuis Mars maintenant. Je ne suis pas une personne à chercher ou à provoquer des problèmes. Je n'ai pas parlé de son hack nulle part ou à qui conque et je recois ce PM qui m'insulte. Même si ce n'est pas méchant c'est quand même une insulte même de la provocation. Je clique donc sur le bouton "Report" et je post aussi ici car je ne sais pas comment marche le bouton "Report" si vous recevez instantanément donc j'ai posté aussi ici.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on June 20, 2011, 06:20:05 PM
Je clique donc sur le bouton "Report" et je post aussi ici car je ne sais pas comment marche le bouton "Report" si vous recevez instantanément donc j'ai posté aussi ici.
Well, we did. In fact, he's already been warned. You can stop talking about it here.

Now.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on June 21, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Can we please start using a mibbit embedded chat rather than the java applet? everyone has problems with the java applet, and I think more people would use the chatroom if it actually worked.

(http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg223372#msg223372)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Micaiah on June 21, 2011, 01:07:16 PM
Can we please start using a mibbit embedded chat rather than the java applet? everyone has problems with the java applet, and I think more people would use the chatroom if it actually worked.

([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg223372#msg223372[/url])


I totally agree with this.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on June 21, 2011, 01:10:09 PM
Can we please start using a mibbit embedded chat rather than the java applet? everyone has problems with the java applet, and I think more people would use the chatroom if it actually worked.

([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg223372#msg223372[/url])



^ This.

The current one screws up my browser so badly.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on June 21, 2011, 01:31:59 PM
I agree with the previous three post


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 21, 2011, 02:14:09 PM
The browser don't really screw up for me, but I need to answer to two screens asking me if I want to block the page ...
So yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with a Mibbit-based Chat.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on June 21, 2011, 03:20:43 PM
Mibbit chat gets a vote from me.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on June 23, 2011, 08:43:19 AM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19025.msg548274#msg548274

Oh my gawd, i lol'd.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: OmegaMalkior on June 23, 2011, 12:03:30 PM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19025.msg548274#msg548274[/url]

Oh my gawd, i lol'd.

Wow, thanks for making me LOL! And why isn't the user Warned?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 23, 2011, 12:11:46 PM
Wow, thanks for making me LOL! And why isn't the user Warned?
Well, he's banned. We can Warn him on top of that, but that would probably be adding insult to injury. ._.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on June 23, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
This really offended me:
Then click the "Report to Admin" button; don't post it here.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people. Stop making this stuff public.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on June 27, 2011, 01:31:17 AM
I don't know if I asked this before, but could you please raise the Maximum Character Limit?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on June 27, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
I don't know if I asked this before, but could you please raise the Maximum Character Limit?
We tried, and we can't.
It's actually a database / timeout restriction. So even if we increase it, the posts will still get cut off by the DB's limit.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on June 27, 2011, 10:14:39 AM
Is there any kind of advanced search option in SMF that could be added?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on June 27, 2011, 11:43:30 AM
Is there any kind of advanced search option in SMF that could be added?


There is, just not very easy to find.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=search;advanced;search=test

When searching normally, you are taken to the results page. Above, you can click the search link... which then can link again to the advanced.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on June 27, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
There is, just not very easy to find.

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=search;advanced;search=test[/url]

When searching normally, you are taken to the results page. Above, you can click the search link... which then can link again to the advanced.

Oh, thank you


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on July 06, 2011, 11:24:40 PM
Good day, I just want to bring up this again:

Hello there... just a suggestion:
A little off-topic here, but the rules need to be updated... they lack A LOT of info about some rules of this boards...

How do you expect people to follow your rules when you don't even make them clear?



The rules need an update, they are too "general", they really need to be more specific, clear, and include things that aren't written but are sanctioned by the moderation team.

As an example, the first thing that comes to my mind is the bypass of the word filter.
I tend to write "f*ck", "b*tch" and "sh*t", not in an offensive way, but as an expression.
Still, I don't even know if that's considered as bypassing and if I should receive a warning for it, because the rules don't make clear enough what's bypassing and what isn't.



Also a little complain I have... Rules should be applied to EVERYONE here. Including mods, admins, "n00bs", "veterans", team members, etc.
I hate to see favoritism about someone breaking the rules just because said person is friend of a mod or admin, or because they have "a position" in the forum.

Everybody should be equally punished, and the sanctions should be carried on by the times stipulated in the rules. I've seen people who were Warned or Moderated, but their warning levels are removed before time, or in some cases the Warned level staying longer than it should.



I'm also wondering if there's something planned about this:

Can we please start using a mibbit embedded chat rather than the java applet? everyone has problems with the java applet, and I think more people would use the chatroom if it actually worked.

([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg223372#msg223372[/url])


It's a great idea and people support it, so... are you gonna do something about it?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 06, 2011, 11:33:59 PM
As an example, the first thing that comes to my mind is the bypass of the word filter.
I tend to write "f*ck", "b*tch" and "sh*t", not in an offensive way, but as an expression.
Still, I don't even know if that's considered as bypassing and if I should receive a warning for it, because the rules don't make clear enough what's bypassing and what isn't.
It's a blanket "don't bypass the censor," and it means exactly that: don't do it in any way.

We have a censor. It censors words (who would've guessed?). There is no need for you to censor yourself, as in the example you gave. The censor does it for you. Just write the word and let the censor do its job.


Quote
It's a great idea and people support it, so... are you gonna do something about it?
I don't really see what this has to do with moderation...

Anyway, something like this is generally up to Jack or pic. I could probably do it, but my connection here is awful; editing and testing would take way longer than it should and wouldn't be worth the frustration.

If it's not done by Sunday, I can look into it, maybe. I have no problem with the Java version.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on July 07, 2011, 04:54:01 AM
Also a little complain I have... Rules should be applied to EVERYONE here. Including mods, admins, "n00bs", "veterans", team members, etc.
I hate to see favoritism about someone breaking the rules just because said person is friend of a mod or admin, or because they have "a position" in the forum.

Everybody should be equally punished, and the sanctions should be carried on by the times stipulated in the rules. I've seen people who were Warned or Moderated, but their warning levels are removed before time, or in some cases the Warned level staying longer than it should.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

We'll see..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on July 07, 2011, 05:06:55 AM
Also a little complain I have... Rules should be applied to EVERYONE here. Including mods, admins, "n00bs", "veterans", team members, etc.
I hate to see favoritism about someone breaking the rules just because said person is friend of a mod or admin, or because they have "a position" in the forum.

Everybody should be equally punished, and the sanctions should be carried on by the times stipulated in the rules. I've seen people who were Warned or Moderated, but their warning levels are removed before time, or in some cases the Warned level staying longer than it should.
This 100%, you said it better then I could have even.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on July 07, 2011, 06:18:59 AM
Kill the bots :srs:  All the users underlined here are bots.  Don't believe me?  Look at their sigs and ages:

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx299/SiLeNtDo0m/botmania.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 07, 2011, 06:27:45 AM
The rules need an update, they are too "general", they really need to be more specific, clear, and include things that aren't written but are sanctioned by the moderation team.

We had discussed a few debatable points some time ago in the Admin boards, mainly the rules about multi-accounts and the censorship.
The goal was to update the rules, but nothing was done in the end, so I might relauch that when I have the time.

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Also a little complain I have... Rules should be applied to EVERYONE here. Including mods, admins, "n00bs", "veterans", team members, etc.
I hate to see favoritism about someone breaking the rules just because said person is friend of a mod or admin, or because they have "a position" in the forum.

Everybody should be equally punished, and the sanctions should be carried on by the times stipulated in the rules. I've seen people who were Warned or Moderated, but their warning levels are removed before time, or in some cases the Warned level staying longer than it should.
I see lots of accusations being thrown around, but if I may remind you about something :
It's up to the discretion of the moderator to change the length of the sanction rank. And I'm pretty sure it's written in the rules. Sometimes it's longer than the default time, sometimes not. I personnally think (and I believe most mods/admins are doing the same) that punctual, minor mistakes like a necropost/double-post/censor byspass should only give a week of warning if it's the first offense.

I personnally disapprove of removing ranks manually. Simply because the rank will always go away by itself. I know some mods are doing it if users complain hard enough about their sanction having lasted "more than expected", but I believe it's a pretty bad idea. (Probably because sometimes, the sanction was lengthened to begin with ...).

*********************

One last thing : I'd be quite more concerned about these "favoritism" claims if the main 5-6 complainers weren't always the same. Some of them being regular participants in the anti-Oizen crusades™ .

So let's make things a little bit more simple. Mr. Wright, I hope you have some very solid evidences to support your claim.
Give us some BLATANT proofs of favoritism. Something that cannot be left to interpretation and that cannot be considered mere laziness/generosity/severity (or a joke with a consenting victim >.>). Because stuff like that is always up to the mod's discretion anyway. Show us something that is nothing but pure unprofessionalism, and not just something you disagree with.
Oh, and preferably something pretty recent too. Because the past is history, the future is a mystery and Today is a gift.  :D

Because otherwise, I don't really think we'll have anything to work on and solve such an alarming issue.

(And no leaked stuff, of course. What is in the admin section stays in the admin section.)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 07, 2011, 10:13:31 AM
Kill the bots :srs:  All the users underlined here are bots.  Don't believe me?  Look at their sigs and ages:

([url]http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx299/SiLeNtDo0m/botmania.png[/url])

Many of the accounts here are bots, and the same goes for most forums.  It really isn't a problem unless they start posting.  And besides, most of those bots probably joined before the new anti-bot system in registration was there.

Oh, and preferably something pretty recent too. Because the past is history, the future is a mystery and Today is a gift.  :D

How recent are you talking?  Because there were plenty of events that occurred a few months ago, many of which have gone unnoticed, and I hope we aren't trying to bury that here.

(or a joke with a consenting victim >.>).

Also, when is a joke qualification for ignoring the rules, even with a consenting victim?  Abuse is abuse, I don't think its fair to the forum users when these jokes occur.  It sets a bad example, and its pure unprofessionalism.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 07, 2011, 11:03:39 AM
How recent are you talking?  Because there were plenty of events that occurred a few months ago, many of which have gone unnoticed, and I hope we aren't trying to bury that here.
If the only problems were the ones you guys already mentionned monthes ago, they haven't gone unnoticed and seem to have been solved.
If they haven't, then I'm waiting for the "blatant favoritisms" that I was asking for.

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Also, when is a joke qualification for ignoring the rules, even with a consenting victim?  Abuse is abuse, I don't think its fair to the forum users when these jokes occur.  It sets a bad example, and its pure unprofessionalism.
The question was already discussed in the Admin section. Harmless stuff or private jokes that do not have any negative repercussion on the boards/online life of the "victim" won't start getting hunted. We have more important stuff to care about.

Seriously, if all you guys have to complain about is mods making bets where the loser gets a 10-minutes ban ... Really, do you have so much time to waste ? Why do you even care ?
Even the aforementionned bots have more impact on the boards than that.

PS : LordNoah, your very membersgroup could be easily qualified of power abuse, pure unprofessionalism, and utter favoritism, if I may.

I got quite severely scolded for creating such kinds of ranks and giving them off to random people. Had I been holding grudges, I'd have female doged at Hakumen for it. But I didn't. Nobody did in fact, unless I'm mistaken.
Because we don't give a damn. It's freakin' harmless.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 07, 2011, 11:21:33 AM
Seriously, if all you guys have to complain about is mods making bets where the loser gets a 10-minutes ban ... Really, do you have so much time to waste ? Why do you even care ?
Even the aforementionned bots have more impact on the boards than that.

PS : LordNoah, your very membersgroup could be easily qualified a power abuse and favoritism, if I may.

I got quite severely scolded for creating such kinds of ranks and giving them off to random people. Had I been holding grudges, I'd have [censored]ed at Hakumen for it. But I didn't. Nobody did in fact, unless I'm mistaken.
Because we don't give a damn. It's freakin' harmless.

I think some people would disagree with that.
KC:MM is pretty much the face of Brawl hacking now. And SmashBoards, I guess?

Regardless, a certain amount of professionalism is required.

I wasn't talking about membership groups either, but now that you bring it up...http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=22262.0


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on July 07, 2011, 11:29:37 AM
I don't really see what this has to do with moderation...

Anyway, something like this is generally up to Jack or pic. I could probably do it, but my connection here is awful; editing and testing would take way longer than it should and wouldn't be worth the frustration.

If it's not done by Sunday, I can look into it, maybe. I have no problem with the Java version.
Thanks, and I mentioned it here because it's something that was posted and discussed in this thread, so I assumed it was right to ask about it here... since I don't have a clue where else it could go.


One last thing : I'd be quite more concerned about these "favoritism" claims if the main 5-6 complainers weren't always the same. Some of them being regular participants in the anti-Oizen crusades™ .

So let's make things a little bit more simple. Mr. Wright, I hope you have some very solid evidences to support your claim.
Give us some BLATANT proofs of favoritism. Something that cannot be left to interpretation and that cannot be considered mere laziness/generosity/severity (or a joke with a consenting victim >.>). Because stuff like that is always up to the mod's discretion anyway. Show us something that is nothing but pure unprofessionalism, and not just something you disagree with.
Oh, and preferably something pretty recent too. Because the past is history, the future is a mystery and Today is a gift.  :D
Wrong, I'm not Wright, I'm Godot. :K

Anyways... so practically you're telling me that I have to "start a witch hunt" and screencap things I see in the forums from now on to make my claims valid, because past actions from let's say... 2-3 weeks ago and under won't count...

I'm too lazy to do that, but whatever, seems like I'll have to start doing it since apparently I'm not able to "report to moderator" anymore...
I wonder if it's a glitch.


Also, I have to be clear about this once again: I don't have a personal thing against Oizen.
This doesn't have anything to do with him, and my post wasn't directed towards him.
I'm not in an "anti-Oizen crusade".
I mentioned my claim in a more general way, if people who have something against him agree with my post... well, that's not my problem since I was merely saying what I think.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 07, 2011, 11:51:30 AM
I think some people would disagree with that.
I wasn't talking about membership groups either, but now that you bring it up...[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=22262.0[/url]

I know they would. An admin making groups about his maid and slaves is like totally professionnal.
Nice quote out of context there, btw. Vyse would be happeh.
And yeah, thanks for pointing out an excellent exemple of harmless joke. On April Fools Day nonetheless.
Dang, I hate that day, all those dang admins on all those dang websites doing harmless jokes and power-abusing like crazy. It makes me so mad. It's so unprofessionnal. :o)

Anyways... so practically you're telling me that I have to "start a witch hunt" and screencap things I see in the forums from now on to make my claims valid, because past actions from let's say... 2-3 weeks ago and under won't count...

I'll content myself with stuff from 2-3 weeks ago if you don't have anything else. Sounds "recent" to me.
Send out the blatant favoritism examples so we can start smiting people. >.>

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I'm too lazy to do that, but whatever, seems like I'll have to start doing it since apparently I'm not able to "report to moderator" anymore...
I wonder if it's a glitch.

On the Stages board and its sub-board, the Report function doesn't seem to be working for unknown reasons. I realize just now we never announced that officially. Our bad.
(We're working on it. :P) (We = picano)

Otherwise, you can ask your admin "Master" and he'll confirm to you that you have your reporting rights everywhere else on the boards.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 07, 2011, 04:24:57 PM
I know they would. An admin making groups about his maid and slaves is like totally professionnal.
Nice quote out of context there, btw. Vyse would be happeh.
And yeah, thanks for pointing out an excellent exemple of harmless joke. On April Fools Day nonetheless.
Dang, I hate that day, all those dang admins on all those dang websites doing harmless jokes and power-abusing like crazy. It makes me so mad. It's so unprofessionnal. :o)

Wow, please don't pretend that wasn't a big deal.  Iirc, you almost lost your admin powers over that.

Fair enough, I won't bring up past occurrences, because they apparently never happened.

But I'm realizing now that many of the current bad moderation comes from simply bad judgement and vague rules.  Here are some examples:

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26556.msg543650#msg543650

Yes and No, I suppose... It depends on the context really.

For example, Directly calling someone "a stupid fcuk" is definitely frowned upon,
but if it was used to illustrate something good like calling something "Fcukin sweet!" it is easily overlooked as a profanity.
([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnwarn.gif[/url]) Bypassing the swear filter. There were better examples that would be acceptable y'know.

As an example, the first thing that comes to my mind is the bypass of the word filter.
I tend to write "f*ck", "b*tch" and "sh*t", not in an offensive way, but as an expression.
Still, I don't even know if that's considered as bypassing and if I should receive a warning for it, because the rules don't make clear enough what's bypassing and what isn't.


(please note that I'm not arguing with the swear filter bit here, I'm pointing out both were giving an example and only one was warned).

There are plenty more, I'm sure you see them.  I now see that it isn't favoritism or power abuse, but simply stupid decisions and poorly written vague rules.  I'm all for someone writing the rules over, but I'd prefer it not be just one person >.>

Its also stuff like, when I PM you about the irc and you ignore me, or when you delete my posts because they may have made you look bad.  I guess that stuff annoys me a bit.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on July 07, 2011, 05:28:23 PM
Guys is this against rules?
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6968/gdfgl.png)
If u don't see well what he said here:
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2866/hgjg.png)
Still Don't See? xD Go Here: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=10802.1200



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 07, 2011, 05:40:15 PM
Guys is this against rules?
([url]http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6968/gdfgl.png[/url])
If u don't see well what he said here:
([url]http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2866/hgjg.png[/url])
Still Don't See? xD Go Here: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=10802.1200[/url]



It's not wrong...
He was saying it like an expression, not to destroy it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 08, 2011, 03:37:31 AM
Wow, please don't pretend that wasn't a big deal.  Iirc, you almost lost your admin powers over that.

That's the second time I read that. And for the second time, there's absolutely nothing true in that.
You can ask any other admin : I temporarily left because of IRL issues, getting tired of the job, etc...
I could even find you the post whre I mentionned all that, had Oizen's clumsiness not completely broken the topic. I guess I could give you the MSN discussion I had with picano (or was it stickman ? Can't remember) right before giving up.

Or just ask your favorite leaker if there's any post in the admin section showing that I "almost lost my admin powers" because of the April Fools.

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But I'm realizing now that many of the current bad moderation comes from simply bad judgement and vague rules.  Here are some examples:

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26556.msg543650#msg543650[/url]

(please note that I'm not arguing with the swear filter bit here, I'm pointing out both were giving an example and only one was warned).

There are plenty more, I'm sure you see them.  I now see that it isn't favoritism or power abuse, but simply stupid decisions and poorly written vague rules.  I'm all for someone writing the rules over, but I'd prefer it not be just one person >.>

One of the mods was lazy while the other was too severe.
I said we'd be taking care of clarifying the rules soon. I've got a pretty busy week, but maybe someone could relaunch it instead, and it would be great.

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Its also stuff like, when I PM you about the irc and you ignore me,

Ah yes, when you asked me "did you talk to picano about the Mibbit chat ?" Well, I've got like 10 people always asking me to contact mods, investigate on stuff, ask vertex tips, etc... Sometimes I tend to forget about some of them.
So how about you just contact picano yourself ? It's not like the empty IRC is such a pressing matter, anyway.
I replied to pretty much all your other PMs, so if you're mad for one I've forgotten/didn't have time to do, then you should really correct your priorities.

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or when you delete my posts because they may have made you look bad.  I guess that stuff annoys me a bit.

I am not even sure about what you're talking about there. I know for a fact that deleting your post like that would get me Vyse, a good part of the board, and half of the moderation team on my back.
The rare posts to ever get deleted on this board are offensive material, and most of the time, off-topic cleaning. Something that Vyse is usually doing.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on July 09, 2011, 07:29:36 PM
Ok. in the interest of pointing out problems (Something that moderation is very uncomfortable with) I'm going to ignore this forum's definition of "recent", I'm going to list all of the power abuse and bad decisions I've seen on the parts of the admins/mods since the last "anti-Oizen crusade". I'm tired of hearing about past occurrences no longer being relevant. That might be true for somethings, but It doesn't apply to everything. If I murdered someone in the past, and decide now that I'm no longer going to be a murderer, that doesn't mean that past murder no longer matters, or that that murder should be forgiven and forgotten. The same thing applies here, this forum has a history of power abuse with said power abuse going unpunished. As well as the deletion of posts that make the admins/mods of this place look bad, as LordNOaH said.

Let's start with this thread. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24310.0) Someone suggested that instead of locking every goodbye topic that gets made that a goodbye section be added. Harmless enough, but of course a few mods used the thread as an excuse to take shots at others.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25786.0 (Dead Link)
A bot started an introduction topic, and a few people posted there. Each and everyone receives a warning. Here are my problems with this:

First, just because you post in a topic started by a bot doesn't mean you're contributing to spam. Contributing to spam would be more along the lines of responding to someone who's spamming a thread with spam.

Also, warning everyone who posted there implies that that person doesn't think that someone could have posted there, genuinely not knowing/thinking It was spam. In other words, closed mindedness.

Hakumen thinks he's doing his job, but he's out of line here.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=17547.msg506919#msg506919
Now I know the "No multi-posting" rule is pretty standard stuff, but I've been to a few forums where people aren't punished for that as long as the multiple posts are new things being said instead of adding to what was already said. And I agree with that, I think that If you're just going to add to what you've already said you should edit your post. But If you're saying something new altogether, you should be allowed to make a new post. If you say something new, but in a post edit, most people probably won't know/see It because they only receive email notification of new replies, not edited posts. And nobody watching the topic would probably have any reason to check the topic unless they do receive an email telling them about a new reply. That's why I think people shouldn't be punished for multi-posting. But even putting that aside, ds22 behaved rudely towards TCLL in this situation.

The StarW (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26054.msg536243#msg536243)affle Situation. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26428.msg536950#msg536950)
Now I have mixed feelings about this because I really hate spam. Spam might not hurt anyone, but It's incredibly stupid which is why I hate It. Starwaffle putting too many o's in the word "No" however is far less stupid than most spam I've seen. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I don't think he should have gotten a warning the first time he did It. Now to be fair, he didn't need to blow the situation out of proportion like he did, but I find It insulting for Oizen to say this to him:
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sorry to hear that you didn't have the immunity to the rules you thought you did
Because admins/mods do have immunity to the rules. He might as well have just said "You should have become an admin If you wanted immunity to the rules".

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27180.msg556941#msg556941
LordNOaH has already talked about this well enough so I'll just quote him:
I don't have any problems with harsher punishment for bypassing the swear filter, because now its completely unnecessary, but seriously.  Panda didn't deserve a warning for answering a question.  Especially one that you should have answered before this happened. 
Also, why is "better examples" even mentioned?  He probably would have got warned either way, which is ridiculous.


The last and most recent thing I'd like to mention is this: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20181
That link will take you to a blank Brawlvault submission that has been deleted. It wasn't deleted because It was a blank submission, It was deleted because the hack creator was in a chat with some hackers and as a joke, they all decided he should upload a really [censored]ty poorly done hack called "Oizen is a bad mod". It was a legitimate 2D stage that said "Oizen is a bad moderator" scribbled in the background. The description said "Download if you agree" and It had 35 downloads before It was removed for no good reason.

Bottom line: The admins/mods of this place haven't learned anything from the last "anti-Oizen crusade", and the fact that they're saying we should forget about It simply because It happened in the past just shows that they don't think, or don't want to admit, that they're wrong. That they don't want to accept responsibility for their actions. And that they want to continue to get away with this abuse of power.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 09, 2011, 07:42:48 PM
Well, I'm not going to let this get ignored.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27688.msg568287#msg568287
The blog did not contain "obscene material" (wow, hadn't realized stick drawings were as bad as nippleless cat women and other quite obviously nsfw pictures that pop up so often on this forum, but we're going to ignore this blatantly undeniable fact as it shouldn't be necessary) at the time I posted the link.

It was suggested to me that I should have removed the link when the "obscene material" was posted.  Well, I don't sit at home refreshing my browser all day, terribly sorry about that.  Besides, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fall under MY job, now would it?

And even if none of that mattered, it could have been handled like regular staff members on many other forums would have done and simply removed the link or deleted the topic (while I think this one was removed for more reasons than "obscene material," but with the later blog entries, that's completely understandable).  You guys really do infractions wrong.  That's another issue though.

Moving on.  


Okay, anyone to bring up Kitty Leaks or its comics here, gets a warning.
Edit by Miacis : Who is the blithering idiot who allowed a post with size 45 font ? Fixed.

And noah, when you run to the moderation topic to cry power abuse, these cause discomfort and stress among our members, and stopping discussion of it is for the best.
kthx


(well here I am in the moderation topic, I'd really love to stop talking about it, as soon as you stop doing it.  And really? Discomfort and stress?  You try getting muted or warned for no reason, like you just did to 5+ people.  Top tier hypocrite, you are)
While I'd love to be able to say yes to that, it quite seriously isn't me.  I have no artistic abilities and prefer a more intelligent cynical and sarcastic sense of humor.

If it was me though, what would happen?
([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnpmod.gif[/url]) I did say to stop all discussion of it, right above your post.


1.  How [censored]ing convenient of you to stop us mid-conversation.  There was nothing wrong with the discussion that we were having, I wasn't even the one to have brought it up in the first place, and there was no reason to stop it.  
2.  He ninja'd me with that post.
3.  So I can't even defend these bull[censored] accusations of me being behind kitty-leaks without getting infracted now?  That's also terribly convenient.

Anyhow, the posting continued about kitty-leaks, and I remained the only one infracted.  I tried to make a post about it, but it wasn't approved.  I then received a PM:

I said everyone would be warned, I meant it.

you need more faith.

Well, aparently you didn't mean it, and my faith was just fine, because I saw another time it was brought up, again without a warning.  I posted:
by quoting "it"again, "it"again was brought up. Warn plz
([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnmute.gif[/url]) and by your logic, quoting the post thats quoting you talking about it is also an offense.

Sorry buddy.

This time Oizen approved the post just so he could mute me.  Then he warned the person I had addressed.

Man, I'd love to go around telling everyone to stop what they were talking about or I'd mute them.

Later in the day, I saw other instances of where it was brought up on the next few pages.  I showed Oizen and he warned them too.

Wow.  Please unwarn all of those people.

Perhaps the worst part of this is you all [censored]ing ignored it.  I PM'ed three of you.  I KNOW you had all seen it before I did, and I know more staff that I didn't message saw it as well.  Only one of you said he'd look into it, and I never heard back.  And don't say that you were just about to- or you weren't on, because you all were, and you all saw what happened.  I'm really sorry I've caused all of you to dislike me for pointing out things that are broken on this forum.  Including this.  Its sad.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 09, 2011, 08:14:53 PM

Remember that little report to moderator button?

It works in forum games, unlike what you think I don't spent all my time in the family thread, I've been out all of today, and don't ususally read any pages I miss.

So what you're saying is you want me to have an all seeing eye for these things?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 09, 2011, 08:16:49 PM

Remember that little report to moderator button?

It works in forum games, unlike what you think I don't spent all my time in the family thread, I've been out all of today, and don't ususally read any pages I miss.

So what you're saying is you want me to have an all seeing eye for these things?
Try re-reading buddy, I don't think you quite got the message.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 09, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
Well first of all, thanks PAVGN for taking the time to gather all of this.

For starters, I'd like to clear a misconception : Mods are normally sanctionned like any kind of user for breaking any major forum rules. But since we don't really have all that many mods doing useless double-posts, asking for ROMs, etc I guess it's not all that visible. I admit there's been some rare slip-ups in the pasts in the Trolling/Flaming department where we got kinda laxist. Sanctionning mods is simply not an habit, (even though generally they get at least a firm scolding). I dunno, I guess it's kinda like a lot of boards ? Do you guys often see banned mods elsewhere ? I don't.  :-\
Bad moderation tactics and bad handling of things generally lead to a more or less harsh scolding. As I'll illustrate with a few of your examples.

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Let's start with this thread. ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24310.0[/url]) Someone suggested that instead of locking every goodbye topic that gets made that a goodbye section be added. Harmless enough, but of course a few mods used the thread as an excuse to take shots at others.

I saw that, and made a pretty pissed off topic in the admin section about it. The main answer I got from the admins who took a shot at the users didn't sound very repentant though, although Hakumen at least apologized for his bad mood on that day. (I guess I can transmit these apologies to the users ? If not, well, my bad, that was an unintentionnal "leak".)

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[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25786.0[/url] (Dead Link)
A bot started an introduction topic, and a few people posted there. Each and everyone receives a warning.

I just learned about that ... well, that's a pretty stupid reason to sanction people indeed.
We "recently" had a discussion about using simple cleaning insted of sanctions for stuff like that (here, that would be deleting the thread). Not sure if it happenned before or after we discussed it.

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[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=17547.msg506919#msg506919[/url]
That's why I think people shouldn't be punished for multi-posting. But even putting that aside, ds22 behaved rudely towards TCLL in this situation.

About that multi-post thing, we kinda discussed the matter already in the admin section in a separate topic, and we're staying on the same ground as before about that, apparently.
I guess ds22 was a bit rude in the formulation there, but TCLL has illustrated himself for doing quadruple posts to add new things, but like ... 10-20 minutes after the first one ! So I guess alot of saints of the boards would have started sounding a bit more "injunctive" in his stead. >.>
I'll also repeat what I already told him by PM (and that he ignored later on ...) :
If you really need to add something to your post and want EVERYONE to be notified about it, there's the simple trick or copying the first info, deleting thepost, and posting a new post with both the first and second info. Takes a few seconds and is quite better for the lisibility.

But I guess if you guys like, REALLY insist, we could re-discuss the situation and maybe opt for a compromise, like : ONLY ONE double post and only if there's new info inside. (So that we don't get, like, 15 posts of the same person in a row.)

Also, I think personnal threads (where you expose your creations) are exempted of the multi-post rule for adding updates.Thatt should probably cover up a good 90% of the needs to double-post.


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The StarW ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26054.msg536243#msg536243[/url])affle Situation. ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26428.msg536950#msg536950[/url])

I personnally exposed my opinion on the matter and stated that the warning for a "spammy" word was a bit harsh, since a simple edit would have sufficed.
But SW blew it out of proportion and started using report abuses too, so well ...

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[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27180.msg556941#msg556941[/url]
LordNOaH has already talked about this well enough so I'll just quote him:

I kinda already replied to that one ... We'll need to rediscuss this part of the rules.

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The last and most recent thing I'd like to mention is this: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20181[/url]
That link will take you to a blank Brawlvault submission that has been deleted.

It was deleted that way simply because it was flaming a board user. The Vault is not made for that.

Sorry if we didn't put it into the rules, I guess it seemed so obvious to anyone ...
We'll probably add a painfully indigest wall of text to precise more obvious stuff. Like :
You can't upload viruses in BV.
You can't upload racial slurs to BV.
You can't put submissions in the Vault that let you earn money from it.
You can't upload the exact same hack 77 times in a row.
You can't upload a hack whose only goal is to flame a board user.
 r)

Bottom line: You guys don't necessarily know everything that is discussed in the admin threads. We discuss alot of stuff. And there's alot that are planned to be discussed next.
If you believe something in particular should be discussed, then you should just use this thread to ask us to start a discussion about it. I mean, it's kinda what this topic is for. It's not the "Everyone Blame Oizen thread". >.>

Sometimes, it happens that severe/laxist/illogical moderation slips under our nose. If you find a sanction to be uncalled for, you can always report it in this thread (or even "re-report" the post that was sanctionned. We'll understand what you mean.)

But, y'know, it would be nice to do it, like, WHEN THE PROBLEM HAPPENS. Or in a reasonable delay after that. Like 1 week after.
That way the team can discuss it and see what need to be done.

Dumping a load of problems on us, all at the same time, is just asking for stufff to get forgotten. We just can't do everything at once. x_x


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on July 09, 2011, 08:33:24 PM
Because admins/mods do have immunity to the rules. He might as well have just said "You should have become an admin If you wanted immunity to the rules".


I've been warned before, so has Oizen and stickman. We're not immune to the rules.

The last and most recent thing I'd like to mention is this: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20181[/url]
That link will take you to a blank Brawlvault submission that has been deleted. It wasn't deleted because It was a blank submission, It was deleted because the hack creator was in a chat with some hackers and as a joke, they all decided he should upload a really [censored]ty poorly done hack called "Oizen is a bad mod". It was a legitimate 2D stage that said "Oizen is a bad moderator" scribbled in the background. The description said "Download if you agree" and It had 35 downloads before It was removed for no good reason.


So flaming someone in the form of a stage is okay?

Perhaps the worst part of this is you all SAKURAI!!!!!!!!ing ignored it.  I PM'ed three of you.  I KNOW you had all seen it before I did, and I know more staff that I didn't message saw it as well.  Only one of you said he'd look into it, and I never heard back.  And don't say that you were just about to- or you weren't on, because you all were, and you all saw what happened.


dRage and I both replied to your PMs.

EDIT: ninja'd by Miacis, but still.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 09, 2011, 08:41:04 PM
So, am I reading this wrong, or are you against almost everything that was brought up, and are agreeing that this was out of line, and that needs changing?

I am SO confused here.

Also, this: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg472540#msg472540

So many mixed messages here.  At least we know Miacis agrees though ^-^


dRage and I both replied to your PMs.

EDIT: ninja&#039;d by Miacis, but still.

I didn't say "reply", I said "look in to"
which I took for "possibly change a blatantly wrong action"


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on July 09, 2011, 08:46:03 PM
Is this a Moderation and Suggestions thread, or a flamewar thread? I must have misread the title.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 09, 2011, 08:46:53 PM
Also, this: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg472540#msg472540[/url]

Uh ... wut ?
Admins were never ever able to be warned/moderated/muted. Before the warning system existed, it was impossible of course.
And when the system was brought to the boards ... well, of course you can't warn/moderate/mute an admin. Admins can remove these sanctions at will. Try and be logic for a second. >_>

And if we ever came to the decision to ban an admin for something really bad, it's pretty easy : Remove admin rank => Ban.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 09, 2011, 08:57:32 PM
Sometimes, it happens that severe/laxist/illogical moderation slips under our nose. If you find a sanction to be uncalled for, you can always report it in this thread (or even "re-report" the post that was sanctionned. We'll understand what you mean.)

But, y'know, it would be nice to do it, like, WHEN THE PROBLEM HAPPENS. Or in a reasonable delay after that. Like 1 week after.
That way the team can discuss it and see what need to be done.

Dumping a load of problems on us, all at the same time, is just asking for stufff to get forgotten. We just can't do everything at once. x_x
Not quite sure if this is directed at me, but I'll answer to it.

Well, rather than report oizen's infractions and him see that, I thought I'd PM you to let you know.  I think either way it really shouldn't matter, correct?  You were notified pretty quickly.

I also apologize for not complaining about vish's warning earlier, I went out of my house for a brief period.

But this really didn't slip under your nose.  As I said before, many of you saw it fairly quickly, and I made sure you did by PM'ing you.  It didn't "slip under your nose", I made sure of that.

I also am not sure why you suggested me reporting it in this thread, I was muted.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 09, 2011, 09:04:35 PM
That was not directed to you. That was a general assesment that people tend to dump problems on us, all at the same time. Sounds almost like they don't care about it until it becomes easy to put the blame on us ... >.>

I really have no opinion at all to give on that issue you mentionned, to be honest, considering the exceptionnal circumpstances of having one of our users (yes, we know who it is) doing such a blog, you posting it on the boards, and everything else.

I guess it was harsh to chain the sanctions like that. Something I told to Oizen in private...
But it's not really easy to judge something like that considering lots of things were unexpected, including the actions of some Mods/Admins. At least, not easy for me.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 09, 2011, 09:33:28 PM
I really have no opinion at all to give on that issue you mentionned, to be honest, considering the exceptionnal circumpstances of having one of our users (yes, we know who it is) doing such a blog, you posting it on the boards, and everything else.
I just learned about that ... well, that's a pretty stupid reason to sanction people indeed.
We "recently" had a discussion about using simple cleaning insted of sanctions for stuff like that (here, that would be deleting the thread). Not sure if it happenned before or after we discussed it.
2+2=???


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Parvati ~ <3 on July 09, 2011, 10:11:12 PM
I Really Don't Mean to bug anyone... but i had a question about my warning..

Thar was a large argument about Lordnoah having a part in the "Kitty Leaks" Comic, and Oizen Ordered a shut down of all talk about it.
So Then I Spoke of something, that had something to do with it, and i got warned. Understood, but then the same day, This girl was talking about it, and She is still un-warned.
o-o;... I didn't think those comics would cause this mess...

I dont mean to cause trouble , but what i said had nothing to do with the comic itself...

Thats really a big shame/no big surprise. [/cleverplayofyourownwordsagainstyou]
Im Going to bed for reals now!


([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnwarn.gif[/url]) Enough is enough


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 09, 2011, 10:18:43 PM
Thats what I've been saying.  Oizen's original intent was only to moderate/mute me.  He only warned you and calmitias and LC-DDM because I brought it up.

So, the correct move for you staff members would be to remove all theses bull[censored] infractions.  I don't think I can be much clearer.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on July 10, 2011, 02:37:52 AM
I've been warned before, so has Oizen and stickman. We're not immune to the rules.

So flaming someone in the form of a stage is okay?

dRage and I both replied to your PMs.

EDIT: ninja'd by Miacis, but still.
I didnt believe I was flaming I thought I was just making a stage that got unrightfully taken down. Show me exactly how I was flaming and if so, warn me then bro. Also I couldnt possibly agree with LordNoah more. This is getting ridiculous. Do you guys wanna create an atmosphere of professionalism or criminals? Now people are getting in trouble for just ridiculous stuff. Come on just use some basic judgement once in awhile.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 10, 2011, 08:22:22 AM
I didnt believe I was flaming I thought I was just making a stage that got unrightfully taken down. Show me exactly how I was flaming and if so, warn me then bro.


Quote from: The Rules
Flaming: Directly or indirectly insulting other members


The last and most recent thing I'd like to mention is this: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20181[/url]
That link will take you to a blank Brawlvault submission that has been deleted. It wasn't deleted because It was a blank submission, It was deleted because the hack creator was in a chat with some hackers and as a joke, they all decided he should upload a really [censored]ty poorly done hack called "Oizen is a bad mod". It was a legitimate 2D stage that said "Oizen is a bad moderator" scribbled in the background. The description said "Download if you agree" and It had 35 downloads before It was removed for no good reason.


Directly stating someone is a bad moderator (and asking for support on top of it) falls under this category. (btw "bad moderator" is an insult for future reference)
The mods had every right to remove that hack.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 10, 2011, 08:24:54 AM
Directly stating someone is a bad moderator AND asking for support falls under this category. (btw bad moderator is an insult for future reference)
The mods had every right to remove that hack.
^ This. But, I think instead of removing it, everything involved with Oizen could have been removed out, since it seems the Submission Stage was legit?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 10, 2011, 08:27:01 AM
From what I gather, the only reason the stage was made was to troll Oizen. (The stage background itself said that stuff) So what else could it say? "______ is a bad moderator" ?

That's just not acceptable


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 10, 2011, 08:29:43 AM
^ This. But, I think instead of removing it, everything involved with Oizen could have been removed out, since it seems the Submission Stage was legit?
We'll let the author decide and redo his stage into a legit one if he feels like it.
We're not going to push our privileges to edit a BV hack ourselves without the author's agreement. We just remove/edit out rule-breaking hacks.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 10, 2011, 08:32:59 AM
From what I gather, the only reason the stage was made was to troll Oizen. (The stage background itself said that stuff) So what else could it say? "______ is a bad moderator" ?

That's just not acceptable
We&#039;ll let the author decide and redo his stage into a legit one if he feels like it.
We&#039;re not going to push our privileges to edit a BV hack ourselves without the author&#039;s agreement. We just remove/edit out what isn&#039;t legit.

Judging by the pictures.. It wasn't legit at all, it seems.. Now I wonder what was in the DL link. ._.; But yeah, I totally agree with what you both are saying, I just thought that if the DL contained a legit Stage, it should have stayed with everything concerning the insulting removed, but I doubt this is the case.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 10, 2011, 08:44:58 AM
I launched a big discussion in the Admin section to update the ambiguous parts of the rules. And to discuss about some innapropriate moderation tactics. Happy now, guys ? :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 10, 2011, 10:08:44 AM
Hardly, I assumed that was already being done.  And all those foolish infractions are still here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 10, 2011, 10:38:15 AM
Hardly, I assumed that was already being done.  And all those foolish infractions are still here.
Sorry if we didn't meet your impatience standards, sire.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 10, 2011, 10:59:46 AM
true. i think we do need to make the rules more specific... another project to do
but necroposting is defined in the spamming part of the rules. i'm more lenient with the time between (i'd allow up to 3 weeks instead of the 1 in the rules - that's just me) but something like 4 months without contributing anything to the topic is just annoying. i recently just bumped 3 people on the warnings because of necroposting in one of my old topics because one person just said "thank you" and then the other two mini-modded instead of reporting the original poster. i agree that the rules can (and should) be more clear, but at least for necroposting, common sense should play some kind of role in it, shouldnt it?

i thought that avatars were automatically resized if they were too big? but there's a signature rule in there and it is specific with dimensions.
considering this was brought up APRIL 20TH I think my patience is just fine.

Also, lets deal with all staff that have made poorly placed sanctions the same, shall we?

Don't know if you caught that, but Vile was demoted for retarded warnings, but Oizen was not?

-.-

ya'll crazy for this one.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on July 10, 2011, 04:42:14 PM
Mods are normally sanctionned like any kind of user for breaking any major forum rules... Sanctionning mods is simply not an habit


Wait a minute. How can you say this and then say
And when the system was brought to the boards ... well, of course you can't warn/moderate/mute an admin. Admins can remove these sanctions at will.
?

Can admins be sanctioned or not? Obviously "a firm scolding" isn't enough to stop abuse of power.

of course you can't warn/moderate/mute an admin. Admins can remove these sanctions at will.


Well then how about making It so that admins/mods can be warned/moderated/muted and once an admin/mod receives an infraction they can't remove infractions? At least from themselves?

I saw that, and made a pretty pissed off topic in the admin section about it. The main answer I got from the admins who took a shot at the users didn't sound very repentant though, although Hakumen at least apologized for his bad mood on that day. (I guess I can transmit these apologies to the users ? If not, well, my bad, that was an unintentionnal "leak".)


Yes, you did handle that situation better than the others and actually did something about the suggestion presented. I commend you for that.

well, that's a pretty stupid reason to sanction people indeed.


I personnally exposed my opinion on the matter and stated that the warning for a "spammy" word was a bit harsh, since a simple edit would have sufficed.
But SW blew it out of proportion and started using report abuses too, so well ...


Well It's nice to see that we agree about something.

If you really need to add something to your post and want EVERYONE to be notified about it, there's the simple trick or copying the first info, deleting thepost, and posting a new post with both the first and second info. Takes a few seconds and is quite better for the lisibility.


Fair enough. I guess that works too.

You can't upload viruses in BV.


Well technically all you need to say is that the Brawlvault is only for hacks. Since there's been a few times where custom stages (as in Stage Builder stages) have been uploaded, there are some people that didn't quite get that immediately. So stating that It's only for hacks will get that message across to those people as well as covering the Captain Obvious "no viruses" rules at the same time. Not that there ever have been viruses uploaded to the vault. Well, as far as I know anyway.

You can't put submissions in the Vault that let you earn money from it.


Then something should be done about this guy. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20023#ByUserID=6478&Moderated=All) He put a donation link in the description for his hacks, possibly because he needs money as motivation to hack. This was already discussed apparently, but you did just say you aren't allowed to earn money from hacks.

I've been warned before, so has Oizen and stickman.


admins could be warned last year. not this year.


So flaming someone in the form of a stage is okay?


I am a firm believer that hackers can make whatever they want. However, for the sake of a less hostile atmosphere on the forums, people should refrain from uploading hacks that insult other hackers into the vault. Also, considering the kind of person Oizen is (I don't really need to illustrate what I mean by that do I?), the fact that the hack was deleted and any information of what It was was removed, It really seemed like the hack was removed because Oizen couldn't handle being insulted. The fact that he didn't want people talking about Kitty Leaks adds to this.

Now I wonder what was in the DL link.


Then I'll PM you the download link so you can see for yourself.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 10, 2011, 05:39:11 PM
Since that was mostly directed at Miacis, I'll cover what I can.

The warning system is a forum plugin; not something that picano coded in his free time. We just can't do what it wasn't intended to do, which is moderate an admin.

We aren't allowed to force people into making us money. (Example is putting a download that can only be reached by submitting a survey) They can, however, donate out of free will.

And I see you keep quoting me from that Private Message between us. I said that out of ignorance because I didn't have a better explanation for you. At that point in time, I was not an admin the year before, so I did not know how things were handled. I thought that was a good enough reasoning at the time, but now I see that "private" doesn't mean anything, and I have to think about what my messages will look like 3 months in advance when used against the moderation team. Joy. Sorry, it looks like I gave you permission to post that. My mistake.

And stop trying to make it look like Oizen is a baby for taking down the hack and stopping discussion of Kitty Leaks. In both cases, the content was offensive, which is against the rules, so he had every right to stop it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on July 10, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
And I see you keep quoting me from that Private Message between us.

I probably shouldn't be making this post, so feel free to delete It If you agree. But you gave me permission to post those PMs.

knock yourself out. go for it. i don't know what you are going to prove with it though...

So you really can't complain about me bringing them up again. Unless you don't remember you giving me permission, in which case It's understandable.

In both cases, the content was offensive, which is against the rules, so he had every right to stop it.

The offensive content thing is easily abusable. "I don't like this so I'm going to claim It offended me to get It removed". Not that I'm saying this is the case here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 10, 2011, 07:49:30 PM
I'm sorry about that. Please excuse me. I just looked in my PM's and I did find that I said yes. My mistake.

But the offensive content stuff is obvious. It is directly insulting or in bad taste, and anyone can see that. If it was given a vote, the outcome would be the same.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 10, 2011, 08:22:12 PM

For the record, I didn't take action there until a decent amount of users openly said they were offended.

By now I've removed all (? if I missed you somehow, please PM) warnings from people who discussed it, since I didn't intend for them to last very long. But now there are set guidelines for that sort of thing, which I will be following.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 10, 2011, 08:44:12 PM

For the record, I didn't take action there until a decent amount of users openly said they were offended.
I'm not sure how me denying that the blog was my doing was offensive.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 10, 2011, 10:33:45 PM
I'm not sure how me denying that the blog was my doing was offensive.

Discussion of that leads to more discussion.

Regardless, we know who was behind it now, sorry for the accusations.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 11, 2011, 02:08:14 AM
Can admins be sanctioned or not? Obviously "a firm scolding" isn't enough to stop abuse of power.
It can't, but if somebody crosses the limit, he'll get eventually demoted => banned, but it's in extreme cases. Or we do something like for Hakumen and restrict his accesses. But these are very occasionnal cases and take too much to do anyway.
If you find something abusive, you're free to talk about it with the concerned admin or here. But again, it's kinda better to do it when you see said "power abuse". Not 3 weeks later.

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Well technically all you need to say is that the Brawlvault is only for hacks. Since there's been a few times where custom stages (as in Stage Builder stages) have been uploaded, there are some people that didn't quite get that immediately. So stating that It's only for hacks will get that message across to those people as well as covering the Captain Obvious "no viruses" rules at the same time. Not that there ever have been viruses uploaded to the vault. Well, as far as I know anyway.
We'll probably add that and add another line which mentions what rules from the boards still apply to BV reports and submissions. Like "These board rules also apply to BV reports and BV submissions : Flaming, Disruptive Behaviour, Trolling, etc..."

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Also, considering the kind of person Oizen is (I don't really need to illustrate what I mean by that do I?), the fact that the hack was deleted and any information of what It was was removed, It really seemed like the hack was removed because Oizen couldn't handle being insulted. The fact that he didn't want people talking about Kitty Leaks adds to this.
Not really. I was the one who deleted it before even asking Oizen about it. And the reactions of people pointing out that hack were rather revealing. Even though they had no link to Oizen, they didn't support that insult at all.
The info was removed simply because the info was saying "Oizen is a bad mod, DL if you agree", so ... It falls under the rules.

I also wanted to point out, about KL, that Oizen wasn't really all that badly targeted and didn't seem bothered all that much (to me ?) about his treatment. He was probably more when some people felt offended later on.

***

Also, we're trying to look for more ways, beside the new rules, to have more transparent moderation.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 11, 2011, 02:17:36 AM

I deleted a hack now?
I haven't even touched my BV powers in weeks, what are you people talking about?

and Miacis you're right, I personally, don't care about Kitty Leaks, infact I would have completely ignored it if other users weren't bothered by it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 11, 2011, 05:59:53 PM
o_o I don't see what's really the use of defending a hack that was obviously made for insulting someone, just checking 2 of the 3 pictures it had it's proof enough it wasn't a serious hack and needed to be deleted.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 11, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
Introducing the Moderation Corner: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0

As the description states, this is a board for asking a question about or challenging a moderation you've received. The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.

I recommend reading the board's rules (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27987) before posting there.

This board was my idea; I felt like it offered more transparency and access to the mods than posting in this thread or replying to your moderation PM.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 11, 2011, 06:56:39 PM
Introducing the Moderation Corner: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0[/url]

As the description states, this is a board for asking a question about or challenging a moderation you've received. The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.

I recommend reading the rules before posting there.

This board was my idea; I felt like it offered more transparency and access to the mods than posting in this thread or replying to your moderation PM.

That's actually a good idea Vyse.
This thread gets cluttered pretty fast.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 11, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
Introducing the Moderation Corner: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0[/url]

As the description states, this is a board for asking a question about or challenging a moderation you've received. The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.

I recommend reading the board's rules ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27987[/url]) before posting there.

This board was my idea; I felt like it offered more transparency and access to the mods than posting in this thread or replying to your moderation PM.
Pretty clever.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on July 11, 2011, 07:24:49 PM
Introducing the Moderation Corner: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0[/url]

As the description states, this is a board for asking a question about or challenging a moderation you've received. The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.

I recommend reading the board's rules ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27987[/url]) before posting there.

This board was my idea; I felt like it offered more transparency and access to the mods than posting in this thread or replying to your moderation PM.


Sweet Vyse :D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on July 11, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Introducing the Moderation Corner: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0[/url]

As the description states, this is a board for asking a question about or challenging a moderation you&#039;ve received. The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.

I recommend reading the board&#039;s rules ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27987[/url]) before posting there.

This board was my idea; I felt like it offered more transparency and access to the mods than posting in this thread or replying to your moderation PM.

I actually think this is a great idea, this "Moderation Corner" might help out with users in the future that cause problems and we can talk about the reason why they were "Warned" in the first place.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on July 11, 2011, 07:29:14 PM
I actually think this is a great idea, this "Moderation Corner" might help out with users in the future that cause problems and we can talk about the reason why they were "Warned" in the first place.
Sounds like a blast. Great idea either way >.>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 11, 2011, 08:41:07 PM
I think they have something similar at All is Brawl. But it's an excellent idea. Good thinking!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on July 11, 2011, 08:42:37 PM
I think they have something similar at All is Brawl. But it's an excellent idea. Good thinking!

Lol Well All is brawl is a Awesome wedsite! i chat with mah friends there :D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 12, 2011, 03:36:29 AM
(Dang, it's at the bottom of the Index page. >_< Hope I won't forget to visit it.)

Anyways yeah, I also approve of Vyse's idea (in public this time :P).
I'll chime with Vyse and insist on people reading the rules mentionned there. They are pretty straightforward.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on July 12, 2011, 03:49:03 AM
Since half of the forum has a Warning now a days, this new section is great!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 12, 2011, 10:31:59 AM
(Dang, it's at the bottom of the Index page. >_< Hope I won't forget to visit it.)
I would have put it at the top, with the rest of the admin stuff, but Jack and I thought that having a "moderation contest" board as the first thing people see might be a little off-putting.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 12, 2011, 11:22:52 AM
Introducing the Moderation Corner: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0[/url]

As the description states, this is a board for asking a question about or challenging a moderation you've received. The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.

I recommend reading the board's rules ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27987[/url]) before posting there.

This board was my idea; I felt like it offered more transparency and access to the mods than posting in this thread or replying to your moderation PM.



You sir, are awesome.

I would have put it at the top, with the rest of the admin stuff, but Jack and I thought that having a "moderation contest" board as the first thing people see might be a little off-putting.


I thought it would be tacked under General and above hacking.

but its fine where it is.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 12, 2011, 11:56:35 AM
I would have put it at the top, with the rest of the admin stuff, but Jack and I thought that having a "moderation contest" board as the first thing people see might be a little off-putting.
Yeah, I agree that it's definitely more logical. It's just that it doesn't fit my (pretty difficult) standards of convenience. :P

Oh btw, a little question : is the number of posts/replies (on the index page) displaying the true content of the sub-board to regular users, or is it a "fake value" ?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 12, 2011, 12:16:47 PM

Maybe we should edit the warning message, to mention this http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0

Idk if it was already done, but it seems like a good idea.
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnwarn.gif) I wanna see :3


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 12, 2011, 01:31:36 PM

Maybe we should edit the warning message, to mention this [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0[/url]

Idk if it was already done, but it seems like a good idea.

It'd  be good to link that in the PM that is sent alerting you.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 12, 2011, 04:43:34 PM
Done. Intended to do it from the start, but didn't have time to mess around with the files.

Oh btw, a little question : is the number of posts/replies (on the index page) displaying the true content of the sub-board to regular users, or is it a "fake value" ?
I have no idea. If I had to guess, it probably shows the real value.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 13, 2011, 08:12:57 AM
Fake value. I only see 1 topic / 1 post, and that is Vyse's rules (unless nobody has used it yet, then I cannot tell).


Edit: Whoops, nobody posted there.. I'll let you know what I see when someone does post there.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on July 13, 2011, 08:14:38 AM
Fake value. I only see 1 topic / 1 post, and that is Vyse's rules (unless nobody has used it yet, then I cannot tell).
Well i don't see any other topic aside Vyse's so i guess someone needs to make a test topic there? I wouldn't mind making one to test it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on July 13, 2011, 09:09:14 AM
Well i don't see any other topic aside Vyse's so i guess someone needs to make a test topic there? I wouldn't mind making one to test it.

Even if someone made a topic you wouldn't see it. As Vyse has stated:

The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on July 13, 2011, 09:11:51 AM
That is a fact BUT it was abput the value of seeing the total number of posts and topics when viewing the main forum page (where you see all the boards wth their topic and post counts)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: xmanfit0 on July 17, 2011, 12:28:05 PM
Ohai.
I just wanted to make a request for multi-quoting.
Perhaps there could be an option in our profiles to multiquote upon hitting the Quote button, default set to off?
Or better yet, a Multiquote button separate from the Quote button?

And another question:
If I were to make a sort of newcomers tutorial (detailing the netiquette, tools, posting tips, etc for this here forum), should it be in Introductions, Off Topic, or Help?
Preferably I'd like as many people to read it as possible.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 17, 2011, 12:32:32 PM
Ohai.
I just wanted to make a request for multi-quoting.
Perhaps there could be an option in our profiles to multiquote upon hitting the Quote button, default set to off?
Or better yet, a Multiquote button separate from the Quote button?

And another question:
If I were to make a sort of newcomers tutorial (detailing the netiquette, tools, posting tips, etc for this here forum), should it be in Introductions, Off Topic, or Help?
Preferably I'd like as many people to read it as possible.
This'd be nice.

Also, whatever happened to the past quoting system? Where if you quoted someone, it'd grab everything he had in his/her post, including a quote?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: xmanfit0 on July 17, 2011, 12:36:16 PM
This'd be nice.

Also, whatever happened to the past quoting system? Where if you quoted someone, it'd grab everything he had in his/her post, including a quote?

That, my friend, is multiquoting.
I assume it was removed in order to make everyday posting less resource-intensive.
Which is why I suggested that it could be an option which, as a default, is set to off.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on July 17, 2011, 03:15:16 PM
Iirc, Miacis modified something so the quote system allows only to catch the quote of the person being quoted.
It was because of people's tendency to quote and respond a quoted post and so on... resulting in an enormous chain of quotes that was completely unneeded.

Imo it was a good measure since people didn't pay attention to the advice of stop doing it... but I would suggest keeping it up to 3 quotations instead of 1.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Helix on July 17, 2011, 03:33:17 PM
Iirc, Miacis modified something so the quote system allows only to catch the quote of the person being quoted.
It was because of people's tendency to quote and respond a quoted post and so on... resulting in an enormous chain of quotes that was completely unneeded.

Imo it was a good measure since people didn't pay attention to the advice of stop doing it... but I would suggest keeping it up to 3 quotations instead of 1.
That's a good idea, And it wouldn't be too lengthy since it's only 3.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 17, 2011, 05:35:37 PM
how come I'm getting 17 pages of no results
(http://i.imgur.com/BKto0.png)
I know there is results, I tried again with a different word and got something similar.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 17, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
how come I'm getting 17 pages of no results
([url]http://i.imgur.com/BKto0.png[/url])
I know there is results, I tried again with a different word and got something similar.
Same. Happens in most threads for me.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 17, 2011, 06:18:10 PM
That, my friend, is multiquoting.
It's not. It's nested quoting.

Multiquoting is a feature some forums have that lets you select multiple posts, click Quote, and arrive at a posting page with all of the posts quoted.

If nested quoting is what you want, there's just an on/off box in the Admin panel. No way to make it stop nesting after a certain number or anything. I'll look for a mod, though, because honestly not having it kind of annoys me, too.

Edit: And nothing was found. Sorry, guys, but unless someone wants to code it...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: xmanfit0 on July 17, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
It's not. It's nested quoting.

Multiquoting is a feature some forums have that lets you select multiple posts, click Quote, and arrive at a posting page with all of the posts quoted.

If nested quoting is what you want, there's just an on/off box in the Admin panel. No way to make it stop nesting after a certain number or anything. I'll look for a mod, though, because honestly not having it kind of annoys me, too.

Edit: And nothing was found. Sorry, guys, but unless someone wants to code it...
Thanks for the correction, Vyse.
An on/off box you say? Asuka's suggestion for a limit of nested quotes is good.
If there's no way to implement this then don't worry about it, I'll just go nest my quotes manually.
...Even if they don't look right. :(


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 23, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
To whom it may concern: admins and mods are now subject to the warning system.

Vyse climbed a rung on his echeladder! He is now a Programming Prodigy!

(Actually it wasn't hard at all)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on July 23, 2011, 08:30:52 PM
So PAVGN won't stop pestering me about Eldiran's Zero with him using the sword and keep constantly reporting it just because he turns around whenever he uses 2 items. Cracker Launcher and Ray Gun.

This is probably a small problem with the animations, but over 1000 people have downloaded it and not one has complained or bothered to mention it until he decided to. I have no intention or reason to bother fixing such a small and minor problem and have asked him to stop being so needlessly persistent about it, however he insists on reporting it constantly until I fix it despite my not really being a hacker anymore.

That or he wants me to put it in the description that it happens, but once again, I don't see a reason to since no one else seems to care. Plus Beyond edited Zero's animations, not me, so I wouldn't know how if anything was actually changed in the animation or how to fix it. - -'

In any case, would someone mind politely asking him to stop? Being bothered day to day over something so small is rather irritating.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 23, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
Sounds like a valid report to me. Whether you "intend to fix it" is irrelevant.

With the time you spent writing that post, you could have added a note to the description and gone about your night. Really, what's it hurt to have it?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on July 23, 2011, 08:38:15 PM
Because it's not hurting anything NOT to have it either. - -


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 23, 2011, 08:41:09 PM
Because it's not hurting anything NOT to have it either. - -
It seems to be causing you quite a bit of annoyance, actually.

"Note: turns around when using Cracker Launcher or Ray Gun."

Look, you don't even have to write it now. Just copy and paste.

Short version: I see no reason for the mods to do anything when you could very easily resolve this yourself.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on July 23, 2011, 08:42:25 PM
Do I get extra points if I include the quotation marks? ¦D

/Done now


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 23, 2011, 08:44:26 PM
Cool. If he still bothers you about it, feel free to mention it and we'll do something.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on July 23, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
Will do. Sorry if it seemed like I was trying to make a big deal out of it. I was just trying to keep out of unnecessary trouble I usually get in by handling things myself.

Thanks for the help, Vyse.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on July 23, 2011, 08:57:27 PM
Thanks for the correction, Vyse.
An on/off box you say? Asuka's suggestion for a limit of nested quotes is good.
If there's no way to implement this then don't worry about it, I'll just go nest my quotes manually.
...Even if they don't look right. :(


Off topic, but I can't seem to get a hold of you elsewhere.

The characters in you name are causing some weird bugs.

One of which is that no one can send PM's to you. So, you might want to fix that. If you want.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 23, 2011, 08:59:31 PM
Off topic, but I can't seem to get a hold of you elsewhere.

The characters in you name are causing some weird bugs.

One of which is that no one can send PM's to you. So, you might want to fix that. If you want.
Just click the PM button underneath his avatar. :-\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on July 23, 2011, 09:00:25 PM
Just click the PM button underneath his avatar. :-\

Seg10, try to send a PM to him and you will see what I mean.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on July 23, 2011, 09:13:50 PM
Seg10, try to send a PM to him and you will see what I mean.

I'll play around with this a bit.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 23, 2011, 09:17:49 PM
To whom it may concern: admins and mods are now subject to the warning system.

Vyse climbed a rung on his echeladder! He is now a Programming Prodigy!

(Actually it wasn't hard at all)
but I heard
Uh ... wut ?
Admins were never ever able to be warned/moderated/muted. Before the warning system existed, it was impossible of course.
And when the system was brought to the boards ... well, of course you can't warn/moderate/mute an admin. Admins can remove these sanctions at will. Try and be logic for a second. >_>

And if we ever came to the decision to ban an admin for something really bad, it's pretty easy : Remove admin rank => Ban.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on July 23, 2011, 09:48:45 PM
Seg10, try to send a PM to him and you will see what I mean.

Fixed I think.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on July 23, 2011, 09:55:53 PM
Fixed I think.

Cool.

What was going on for that to happen?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on July 23, 2011, 10:01:59 PM
Cool.

What was going on for that to happen?

The forum collation (I actually have no idea what that means :D) defaults to latin_swedish but his username needed at least utf8_general_ci to work. So... I had to go through and convert all of the tables.

Further more, he shouldn't have been able to create that name in the first place. It should have thrown an error (much like the one you got when PMing him). After the conversions, my ピカノ name worked and I could send / receive PMs... but his returned 'user could not be found'.

So.. I went into the DB and looked at his profile there --- his name wasn't the actual characters... but rather HTML entities which display the characters. In order to send a PM to him, you had to write something like.... #3434;#5345;#5434;... so, I just replaced his name with what it actually displays and it worked.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on July 23, 2011, 10:05:37 PM
The forum collation (I actually have no idea what that means :D) defaults to latin_swedish but his username needed at least utf8_general_ci to work. So... I had to go through and convert all of the tables.

Further more, he shouldn't have been able to create that name in the first place. It should have thrown an error (much like the one you got when PMing him). After the conversions, my ピカノ name worked and I could send / receive PMs... but his returned 'user could not be found'.

So.. I went into the DB and looked at his profile there --- his name wasn't the actual characters... but rather HTML entities which display the characters. In order to send a PM to him, you had to write something like.... #3434;#5345;#5434;... so, I just replaced his name with what it actually displays and it worked.

Lol. Nice.

Well, thanks Picano. You da man.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on July 23, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
Lol. Nice.

Well, thanks Picano. You da man.

No problem. :D

*Gave me an excuse to set up Japanese on here*


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 23, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
People should stop using weird nam-
No problem. :D

*Gave me an excuse to set up Japanese on here*
....Nevermind. XD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 23, 2011, 10:18:44 PM
People should stop using weird nam-
....Nevermind. XD
You're the one talking ;P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on July 23, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
No problem. :D

*Gave me an excuse to set up Japanese on here*
I would love to see other usernames in differant languages. :P

I think i would love to see more users with japanese usernames. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 24, 2011, 12:29:10 AM
but I heard
Well, obviously, I changed the code so we can.

And if an admin does something silly like remove his/her warning, well, that's a pretty clear-cut case of power abuse.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nanobuds on July 25, 2011, 09:15:29 PM
okay, question for the mods.

when is says "No CSPs in the Vault", does it mean no individual CSPs? if so, then we can upload Packs of CSPs and CSS stuff, right?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on July 26, 2011, 01:03:55 AM
okay, question for the mods.

when is says "No CSPs in the Vault", does it mean no individual CSPs? if so, then we can upload Packs of CSPs and CSS stuff, right?
Pack a CSP with a hack, that will do. Or a custom made CSS/SSS with CSP's/SSP's and such. (I think)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 26, 2011, 08:08:54 AM
You're the one talking ;P
Touché, my spiky buddy, touché.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 26, 2011, 02:56:27 PM
Okay, so I believe something is wrong with the "Leave words uncensored" box in our options.
I ticked it to leave words uncensored, but I still see "[censored]" on the bad words.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 26, 2011, 02:59:28 PM
I ticked it to leave words uncensored, but I still see "[censored]" on the bad words.
Did you then click "Change Profile" at the bottom to actually save your change?

when is says "No CSPs in the Vault", does it mean no individual CSPs? if so, then we can upload Packs of CSPs and CSS stuff, right?
If it's just an image, or even a set of images, I'd say don't put it there.

If you want to upload a modified CSS/SSS/whatever with the images already inserted, be my guest.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 26, 2011, 03:02:40 PM
Did you then click "Change Profile" at the bottom to actually save your change?
It's been checked off before.
I clicked "Change Profile" again to be sure.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 26, 2011, 03:13:13 PM
Well, I just tested toggling it on and off, and it worked fine for me, so... I dunno.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 26, 2011, 03:17:44 PM
Well, I just tested toggling it on and off, and it worked fine for me, so... I dunno.

I toggled it off. I typed in a swear, and then previewed it. I got "[censored]"
Turned it back on. Typed the same word. I got the word I typed.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25844.msg605282#msg605282
Stallion's post, on my end, has "[censored]" in a couple spots.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on July 26, 2011, 03:21:13 PM
Happens to me too.
I just tested turning it on and off without results.

Also, seems like more words are censored this time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on July 26, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
I toggled it off. I typed in a swear, and then previewed it. I got "[censored]"
Turned it back on. Typed the same word. I got the word I typed.
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25844.msg605282#msg605282[/url]
Stallion's post, on my end, has "[censored]" in a couple spots.


Are you sure he's not trolling you and not typing, "[censored]" for the lols?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 26, 2011, 03:27:34 PM
nah here's how it currently works.  If you have it set to keep the words sensored, your words will also display "[censored]" despite others settings.  Which shouldn't be a problem really.  If you're going to swear, turn the sensor off.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on July 26, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
Okay, I think I found the problem.
When they posted, they had the box unchecked.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on July 27, 2011, 02:08:05 AM
Something is really weird, apparently i can't report anyone's posts. It's giving me an error everytime..

Quote
Database Error
Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator.

Any idea what's causing this and if it's just me or more people?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 27, 2011, 03:29:14 AM
Where did you try to report it ?

We know the Stages and Stages Requests boards have their reporting messed up on most topics. But if the problem occurred somewhere else, we'd like to know about it.

If reports do not work somewhere, simply send a PM reporting the problematic posts to all active admins/mods.
That would be Vyse, Jack H, picano, myself, Oizen, Vish, DragonRage, Segab, ds22 and LookItsLink, I do believe.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on July 27, 2011, 03:42:17 AM
Where did you try to report it ?

We know the Stages and Stages Requests boards have their reporting messed up on most topics. But if the problem occurred somewhere else, we'd like to know about it.

If reports do not work somewhere, simply send a PM reporting the problematic posts to all active admins/mods.
That would be Vyse, Jack H, picano, myself, Oizen, Vish, DragonRage, Segab, ds22 and LookItsLink, I do believe.
I can't seem to find the topic anymore.. It wasn't in the stage section though.
But this is good to know, i'll be sure to watch and if needed PM the reports.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on July 27, 2011, 08:44:26 AM
Where did you try to report it ?

We know the Stages and Stages Requests boards have their reporting messed up on most topics. But if the problem occurred somewhere else, we'd like to know about it.

If reports do not work somewhere, simply send a PM reporting the problematic posts to all active admins/mods.
That would be Vyse, Jack H, picano, myself, Oizen, Vish, DragonRage, Segab, ds22 and LookItsLink, I do believe.

Are there inactive admins/mods? O.o


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on July 27, 2011, 10:33:56 AM
Are there inactive admins/mods? O.o

We try not to have them at least.

Though, I for one rarely respond to PMs.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on July 28, 2011, 10:27:57 AM
Question, if a double post is caused by someone deleting their posts, is it still possibly moderable?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: seba96rune on July 28, 2011, 11:07:06 AM
Question, if a double post is caused by someone deleting their posts, is it still possibly moderable?

Moderable, as in giving a warning for double posting, then no. It's not their fault they double posted. And if it is moderable in the rules, then that's just wrong >_>. You can just do that to give someone a warning if you're mad at them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on July 28, 2011, 11:11:29 AM
Moderable, as in giving a warning for double posting, then no. It's not their fault they double posted. And if it is moderable in the rules, then that's just wrong >_>. You can just do that to give someone a warning if you're mad at them.

Sorry, but that question was for the staff :-\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 28, 2011, 11:15:11 AM
Question, if a double post is caused by someone deleting their posts, is it still possibly moderable?
Normally, no. However, mods and admins can't really tell "on the spot" if a double-post was caused by a deletion. Dozens of posts are deleted daily, so even the Recycle Bin doesn't help alot.

If, by a rather infortunate stroke of bad luck, a mod finds your "double-post" a reason to sanction you, then just report it in the moderation corner, or directly by PM with the one who warned you.
That way we can check into the Bin if indeed something was deleted on that day and remove the sanction with our apologies.

Also, if you find one of your posts to have been "double-postified" by a post deletion, you should merge the two posts. Tha way, you're sure it won't be mistakenly sanctionned.

Moderable, as in giving a warning for double posting, then no. It's not their fault they double posted. And if it is moderable in the rules, then that's just wrong >_>;. You can just do that to give someone a warning if you're mad at them.
... Since you didn't even consider the basic concept that it's sometimes not really easy for us to tell if a double post was intentional or not, could you at least let us (the staff) reply before coming up with your own interpretation of how we work (or "should work") ?
Thanks. >_>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on July 28, 2011, 01:51:14 PM
Thanks Miacis.

I found some double posts in my thread even though I always edit the previous post instead (or make a new and delete the older), so it was probably someone who deleted his/her old posts. =/


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on July 28, 2011, 05:33:35 PM
Hello, good afternoon people of the staff, mods, admins and whoever might check this post.
First of all I apologize that it took me some time to do this post, but real life keeps me busy with work and some other things... and to be honest when I have free time I really don't feel like "screencapping evidence".

But anyways, first things first:

I launched a big discussion in the Admin section to update the ambiguous parts of the rules. And to discuss about some innapropriate moderation tactics. Happy now, guys ? :P


Not entirely, but thanks Miacis.
I appreciate that what I've asked for has been noted, considered and something is actually being made about it.
I hope some changes are truly being made, like making the rules more clear. So really, thanks.

Yeah, I'm kinda still waiting for that flood of blatant favoritism and power abuses ...
I mean, at the time of the complaints, it seemed like it was so overwhelming on the board that it would have taken 7 seconds to find everything. >.>


And to respond to that:

I've actually been gathering some "proof" ever since Miacis mentioned I needed to show something recent.
Want to know why I haven't posted it?

Because some if not most of that is about you (Oizen)... and we know I can't say anything about you there because they'll instantly consider it part of the "anti-oizen cruzade".

The other reason is that the things I was going to post about where already said by others... (like all the kitty leaks issue) so, you want me to just repeat it? Ok, I can do that.

And last but not least... curiously enough, after I posted there and Miacis told me to gather proof, I noticed an increase in the work of moderators... Even the family thread that usually has rules being legitimately broken was being watched and moderated...
Actually it was quite nice to see that happen.

So now, I'm just waiting so I can gather new recent proof... but whatever, that's something I'm planning to discuss with Miacis, not you.


And with that out of the way, let's start.
I'll divide this post in "sections" each within a spoiler tag so that it's easier to read through.

Also, I "screencaptured" the posts instead of simply quoting them, to make the text somewhat easier to follow, understand a little more the context and because quoting would get rid of quotes within the quotes.
So, if the image re-sizer of the forum makes the image smaller to a point where it's hard to read, click said image so your browser opens the image in a new tab.

PLEASE, read all of it before starting to quote and respond.



:vyse: Kitty Leaks Thread.

This is a topic that has been discussed quite a lot, and there's something that bugs me about how the staff handed the situation.
The staff claimed that the reason for removing the url to the blog, warning the user who made the thread and locking it, was "linking to drawings with obscene material".

I'm not gonna discuss the policies of the forum about nudity in stick figures, but if you check the thread you'll notice some curious things:


1. When the thread was posted, there was only 1 comic.
The user who made the thread didn't have control over the contents in it, when he posted the link, there still wasn't "obscene material" present, and still, got warned under the rule about obscenity.
That doesn't seem fair at all.


2. Speaking of nudity or obscene material, that was present in the blog since the 3rd comic:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klb3.png)


By the time some staff members noticed the thread (Oizen, Miacis), and actually posted in it showing signs of approval, the first 4 comics were already up in the blog.
But none of them complained about that thread breaking the rules, or the nudity, or the obscene material...
A mod and an admin were both approving of it, even with the obscene material.


3. After this comic targeting directly 3 staff members was posted:

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klb1.png)


Was when one of the "affected" decided to post, "blaming" the creator of the thread as if he was the author of the comics.
Why did he suddenly decide to post like he wanted to pin the "blame" on someone?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klt1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klt1.png)


Then this really mature comic [/sarcasm] was posted:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klb2.png)


And just after that, the thread was locked.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klt3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klt3.png)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klt2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/klt2.png)


Coincidence? I don't think so.
The claim was that the warn and lock were because of "obscene material".
Then why didn't the other staff members act before? The obscene material had been there since the 3rd comic, quite early. Clearly more than 1 staff member saw it.
But they waited until those comics targeting specifically other staff members with a negative connotation appeared.

So, was it really locked just because of the "obscene material"? Or more because of the comics "attacking" the staff members?


:vyse: Kitty Leaks in the Family Thread.

It all started when some users in the family thread started talking about the comics there.
Since one of them targeted a family member the talk was brought there, nothing really special.
Then Noah posted in the thread and some users were claiming he was the author of the comics, it wasn't really a heated discussion or anything, but apparently Oizen didn't like people talking about the theme in general, so...


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl1.png)


His claim is that talking about it causes discomfort and stress among the users?
The users were the ones that brought the topic up, they were talking about it because they wanted to...
Wouldn't it give them discomfort the fact that a mod restricts them to not talking about it rather than relief?

It seems more like since Oizen didn't want users talking about it, he simply didn't allow them... going so far as to threatening anyone who talked about it with a warning.
The funny thing is that the one that was moderated (because he already was warned), was Noah.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl2.png)


Noah was "ninja'd", he really didn't have a chance, to say it in a way.
Then Oizen started handing out warnings to anyone who made even the slight reference to the comics.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl3.png)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl4.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl4.png)


Since 1 of the users wasn't warned after Oizen's announcement, Noah decided to point it out.
The result was Oizen using it as an excuse to mute him...
Isn't it supposed that in order for a moderated person to post, his posts must be first approved by a staff member?
Then why was Noah's post immediately approved? Maybe to have an excuse to getting him muted?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl5.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl5.png)


One of the users suggests Oizen to lock the thread instead of going in a warning spree... surprisingly he refuses... why? We know that Oizen likes to lock threads.
Hell, he even used to do it just for fun.
And in this case it would be preferable to make a temporal lock instead of warning every single user that mentions something he doesn't like.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl6.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl6.png)


More users posted later, talking about the same, they weren't warned... Why?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl7.png)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl8.png)


The topic was brought up again, and thankfully another mod simply made his way with words to keep things "in order".
No need to go in a warning spree.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl9.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl9.png)


And then, after telling others to not bring up the Kitty Leaks topic, Oizen himself brought it up...
Nice move...


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl10.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl10.png)


^ That red text you see is a link to the post where he told people that anybody that mentioned Kitty Leaks would be warned...


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl11.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/kl11.png)


The whole thing itself was quite stupid, There was no need at all to go in a warning spree... Specially considering that the reason for warning was that he didn't want anybody talking about the topic.
I wonder... are mods and admins allowed to prohibit certain topics, just because they don't like them? Or would that be... power abuse?

I would understand getting warned if I talked about it and linked to the site, but that wasn't the case, it was just people talking about the comics in general.


:vyse: Kitty Leaks Lives Again and Locking Threads.

So, when the original blog received that content warning, it apparently became fair game... so a new kitty leaks thread was born.

And as fast as it was made, Oizen strikes again...
I would love to have a screen capture of that post he made where he gave an "apology" that was more like an insult, but I cant because:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/newmodruleorsomething.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/newmodruleorsomething.png)


Apparently, now the staff can and will delete any post they consider inappropriate.
In a way it's good for what is mentioned in what Miacis quoted. It's better than setting an ambush and hand warnings to everyone.

On the other hand, it's quite dubious that the staff will properly delete posts.
I don't know about other users, but I don't like the idea of my post getting deleted because a staff member considered it inappropriate.
What if the staff member simply doesn't like my opinion about something and deletes my post claiming it was for the sake of keeping things in order?

I've already noticed some posts disappearing, and I gotta say some of them were quite harmless... it's hard to prove my point because with the deletion, I can't show them.


Anyways, moving on with Kitty Leaks...

The thread started going into a rather off-topic discussion, and what did Oizen decide to do?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking2.png)


That's right, locking it... that was quite unexpected... wasn't it?  r)
Fortunately Vyse was around:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking3.png)


And I completely agree with Vyse, in both subjects.
It shows Oizen's motivation to lock the thread (and the previous warning spree in the family thread) is more for personal reasons rather than being objective as a mod.


And now, talking about the locking of a thread...
Why does the staff lock threads?
Let's see some examples:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking4.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking4.png)


^ Remember that thread where the staff was confronted by some users, that derived into a conflict where Oizen was accused of not being a good mod, and some other issues with the staff?
Apparently nobody does because according to some staff members, if it happened a couple months ago, it's way in the past and doesn't even matter anymore...

Well, in that thread things got out of control, so stickman locked the thread to avoid further conflict and flaming.
That's an excellent case of good locking.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking5.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking5.png)


^ This was a thread made with the sole purpose of "gaining a 3rd star", with a 100th post.
It was just spam, and therefore was locked... I would say it's fair enough.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking6.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking6.png)


^ The first Family Thread reached 10,000 pages, so it was locked and a new one was created.
Someone else locked it, I think it was Miacis iirc.
But since Oizen needs to always have the last word... he posted in it again, despite it already was locked.

After that, he and Vish had fun making a video spam competence in that same locked thread that lasted for some pages until they got bored of it.
Why bringing that up? Well...


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking1.png)


The whole StarWaffle thing is something debatable that I won't bring up... but this relates to it.
He posted there, in the goodbye thread of StarWaffle, in a provoking manner, and then proceeded to lock...
Because, you know, "Oizen always has the last word".
There wasn't a legit true reason to lock it, there wasn't a flamewar going on or anything... just people saying goodbye.


:vyse: Unfairness in Moderating: Goodbye Threads.

Some time back there was a little uproar in the off-topic section because the staff was locking goodbye threads the users made in it.
There was flaming and more, and in the end the staff decided to change the intro sub-forum into an intro and goodbye place.

Users weren't giving it a real good use to it since they would make threads about leaving, and come back days or even hours later.
So, it was stated by the staff that from now on, goodbye threads should be serious and be valid for a considerable amount of time, like 1 month as a minimum.

That's good, and seems to be carried on like in this example of a user leaving and coming back a few days later (even if the user didn't really leave):


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl4.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl4.png)


Then, why wasn't this user warned as well?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl1.png)


^ Leaving post.
v Post announcing his return made 3 days later.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl2.png)


You might think that maybe he wasn't warned because the "rule" about not making useless goodbye threads didn't exist yet.
Well...


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl3.png)


The rule was even made the same day the thread of his goodbye was posted... then, what is the criteria behind warning one user, and not both?



Now, let's see a little about locking topics again...
There's a "goodbye" thread in the intro section, the thing with it is that it is essentially a big wall of text where the user rants about this forum and community, instead of just saying goodbye.
There is an exchange of words between the creator of the thread and some other users.

The thread was essentially not serving the purpose of saying goodbye and was walking into the direction of complete off-topic and slight flaming.
So, a staff member decided to lock it:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl5.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/sl5.png)


This was completely justified, the thread was more about ranting than a goodbye.
Then, what is the story with this one?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/locking1.png)


Was it closed because he said he didn't like how the staff works?
Because frankly that seems like the only reason why they felt like locking it.


:vyse: Unfairness in Moderating: Use of words/expressions.

So, according to the rules, "Using any non-censored word (i.e. “gay”) to imply an insult (i.e. “stupid”) is considered offensive".

Fair enough, that's a rule you guys decided to adopt.
I don't share the opinion that using "gay" as an expression implying "stupid" is offensive... after all, I have an homosexual friend that uses "gay" as "stupid", and he clearly doesn't have a problem with it... being gay himself... so why would anybody else (specially heterosexual people) feel offended by it?

Anyways, this user used the word "gay" as an expression of "stupid", and was warned:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words2.png)


Ok then, you're acting according to your rules, then.... why didn't this user get a warning too?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words1.png)


And just as a curious note... a staff member used a more offensive word related to homosexuality to insult random people over the internet... again, as an expression of "stupidity".


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words4.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words4.png)


So... if it's a rule, if it's something that people get warned for...
Why is it that certain users can do the same and not get punished? Why is it that a staff member can do it?
By the way, I reported both posts... and nothing was made about them.


:vyse: Unfairness in Moderating: Warn Status time lapses.

I know this one is quite debatable since according to the rules:

Quote from: Rule thread that can't be quoted due to being locked
The level you receive depends on the severity of the infraction and the discretion of the moderator. Your current warning level appears under your name in posts and near the bottom of your profile summary. (You don’t see anything if you’re Level 0.)


But this is a topic that has been brought up before by me... Why is it that certain users have a warning that lasts less and some others lasts longer than the stipulated time in the rules?
Miacis mentioned it's because of the quote above, and that the warning goes away automatically when it is the proper time... I've said it doesn't, that it lasts longer for some people, but let's trust in the word of our admins.


Now, this user here was rightfully warned after he asked for an ISO:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/warn1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/warn1.png)


The thing is he mentioned the 2 weeks had already passed and the warned status was still present.
Why? Wasn't it supposed to automatically go away? Or was the severity of the infraction longer than 2 weeks according to the discretion of moderators?

If asking for an ISO without knowing it's against the rules needs a severe infraction, then I suppose flaming and insulting other users would also need severe punishment...


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/ve1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/ve1.png)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/ve2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/ve2.png)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/ve3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/ve3.png)


And so, the staff warned, moderated and muted this user for raging, insulting and flaming.
Now... how much time does each mod status lasts?

Quote from: Rule thread that can't be quoted due to being locked
Level 1, Warned: Goes away after two weeks.
Level 2, Moderated: Goes away after one week.
Level 3, Mute: Goes away after one week.


But he didn't have to go through the complete time of his sanctions.
The Muted level was removed rather quickly and I'm sure the same happened with either the Moderated and/or Warned levels.
Why?


I'm just saying that the times of warned levels should be respected equally, not being longer and not being shorter, specially when the reason of getting it is completely justified, like insulting/flaming.


:vyse: Bypassing the Word Filter.

Sorry if I sound like a scratched record because I've already brought this up here but...
I completely disagree with this statement:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words3.png)


I don't feel the need to insult other users, so when I use censored words by the filter it's just as an expression.

Ever since I've been roaming the internet I've had the tendency to "auto-censor" myself, for example, replacing letters with an * or numbers when writing words like [censored], [censored], etc.
Sometimes I can't help it, it's an habit, I can assure you that I'm not "going out of my way" to insult others when I "bypass the word filter".
And I'm pretty sure the same happens to other people:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/warn2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/warn2.png)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/warn4.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/warn4.png)


So I guess it can't be helped then?
I'll get warned when I unconsciously post an auto-censored word because I can't avoid habits?


:vyse: Moderation Tactics.

This is as recent as it can get.
It's what I consider to be a better approach to warning people.

Instead of going in a warning spree, or deleting posts, a staff member decided to edit the post, and warn the user (by talking, instead of instantly give a warn status).


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/lil1.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/lil1.png)


Then, did the same with the users that were quoting the subject.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/lil2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/lil2.png)


In my opinion it's better doing this kind of thing instead of simply delivering green dots and deleting all posts that have anything to do with it.


Now, here's something relevant I want to talk about that was shown in the same chain of events:


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/lil3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/lil3.png)


So, apparently, we can't use images or videos that could be "bypassing the censor filter"?
What if a song has the word [censored] used once or twice? I'll be instantly warned for it?
And if I use a meme image like "[censored] Yeah"? Apparently I'd get warned because of it.

If that's the case, it would be nice to at least know which words are now censored, because I noticed by mere luck that [censored] and [censored] are now censored, even if they weren't before...


:vyse: Missed Infractions.

These are essentially that, infractions the staff missed... I know the staff doesn't have eyes everywhere and sometimes this happens... but some if not most of these were way too easy to spot.

As a side note, yes, I reported all of these, and apparently nothing was done about them.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/capslock.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/capslock.png)


^ Posted a thread title in ALL CAPS.
Also, the signature image is a wallpaper. I'm not kidding, it's a 1024 x 768 wallpaper.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/flame.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/flame.png)


^ Trolling/Flaming the user quoted?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/mm2.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/mm2.png)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/mm3.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/mm3.png)


^ Insulting/Flaming.


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/multi.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/multi.png)


^ Some time ago there were problems about multi-accounts.
Guess who was back some days ago?


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/smiley.png) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/smiley.png)


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^ Posts that consist of just emoticons.


:vyse: Are Moderators above the Rules?

Exactly that.
I just want to ask if the staff can break the rules, if not, then:


Quote from: Rules thread that can't be quoted due to being locked
Flaming: Directly or indirectly insulting other members.
     Examples: “You idiot”; “Anyone who believes that is a moron”; “Just shut up”; attacking someone based on race, gender, sexuality, etc.

Trolling: Posting with the sole purpose of annoying other users, provoking flames.
     Examples: Going into a person’s texture topic and saying “You suck” without offering any actual criticism; posting false information.



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Quote from: Rules thread that can't be quoted due to being locked
Spamming: Posting worthless topics or messages that contribute nothing to the topic of the forum or thread.
     Examples: Repeatedly bumping a topic; double posting; necroposting – posting in a thread that’s been dead for over a week; posts that consist of just emoticons or text repeated over and over



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Quote from: Rules thread that can't be quoted due to being locked
Disruptive Behavior: Posting in a manner that makes things generally unpleasant for other users.
     Examples: Posting in ALL CAPS, in topic titles and/or messages; posting illegibly; posting topics in the wrong forum; posting images that are too large (creating horizontal scroll bars or making your post longer than a page); posting unmarked spoilers (game, movie, book, etc).



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I would also include the "ID theft fad", in which some users including a couple of staff members copied the name, avatar, personal text, etc. of another user in order to cause confusion.
It was annoying to several users, and I'm really sure that kind of action has been hunted down before in this forum.

The reason why I didn't "screen captured" anything of that is because when I finally had the chance to do it, they had already stopped and gone back to normal.






And that's pretty much everything for now.
Thanks for reading and paying attention.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 28, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
inb4 staff, rather than try hopelessly to defend yourselves with rehashed and overall bad excuses that we've seen before, or try to disregard it because "He's from VIP chat" or some other detrimental statement, it'd probably be a good idea to take these examples into consideration when rewriting the rules.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on July 28, 2011, 06:00:57 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=18294.msg610444#msg610444
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=18294.msg610466#msg610466
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=18294.msg610502#msg610502

"emotes" only posts >_> (Stage area, can't report)


NVM it did work reporting them now..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: VILE on July 28, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
While there are many valid points in cx_asuka's above post, many of these things have been brought up on multiple occasions. I will be surprised if anything is done to correct them (or to take proper action on similar future events).

I don't really like bringing up my demotion incident publically, but I can't help it here. By doing this, I'm probably painting a picture of myself being very vain and still dwelling over past events, though this is not the case, I would like to use my situation as an addition to cx_asuka's evidence.

cx_asuka's overall point was to show that the staff on this forum makes judgement that is colored by personal issues and opinions. There is no doubt that when I was on the KCMM staff team that I wasn't a favoured by my fellow moderators. I'm not saying that everyone just went ahead and removed me willy nilly, there were some legitimate reasons (yes, I did admit to leaking information once and I did make modifications to Brawl Vault submissions), while this was enough to remove me from the staff, this wasn't the reason behind my removal. One of the reasons I am not a member of the staff anymore is because I went on a warning "spree" (which in reality, I only warned about 3 people, Hakumen was actually the one who did most of it), while this probably wasn't the best way to prove a point, I was still following rules. The other reason was because I was accused of making more leaks (and even some non-existant ones), which in the end, Hakumen admited she was the one who actually leaked the information.

Now that these two reasons have become invalid, does that mean I have been removed for something that is considered to be in the past? No. Because I have challenged members of the staff on a few different occasions, this made me seem like I had some sort of vendetta against the staff. The only reason left for me not being reinstated is because of personal emotion.

Facts are colored by the personalities of the people who present them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on July 28, 2011, 07:13:23 PM
Nice post, Asuka.

Probably wouldn't have said posted it better myself.

And to take your time to actually write that all, and snapshot that all shows you care about how the forum is handled. I wish more users would do that too.  :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 28, 2011, 09:44:10 PM
And this is why I never dove into the moderation of the off-topic boards. The first time I ever posted in the Family thread, I saw fighting and arguing and spamming, and that was just how it worked. It wasn't for me, so I left it at that. I did notice that a large amount of the warnings issued did come from that thread, but the thing to remember is that moderation is up to the admin/mod's discretion and the warning level accompanies the judgement. If I recall correctly, the warnings issued during the Kitty-Leaks incident were revoked. And as for the time that goes by, I did notice that sometimes a warning did go a little longer than 2 weeks, but that was a system bug, not an admin hate crime.

As for locking threads and deleting content, we are entitled to do what it takes to protect other users from malicious content. Usually, locking a thread is a last resort, but in extreme situations where nothing is getting accomplished and we need more time to think about answers and not rile the mob any more than it is already, then yes, a lock will happen (like your example of me up there).  I know of another time where users were deleting posts in the family thread to get on the 5000th page or something like that. The thread was locked to keep people from doing anything more stupid than what was going on. But I cannot stress enough that these situations are all in the discretion of the moderator or admin who sees it. We all have different styles and may get offended more easily than others, but we all have the same guidelines, which are the rules that you can read in the link in the header bar.

As for self-censoring, just don't do it. It's that easy. The forum, from what I understand, has an option to either let you see the foul word or censor it. I'm pretty sure the staff was working on a better system of censorship, but I don't have all the details about it.

For warning timing, I do have to agree with you, cx_asuka. I know it has been discussed to the mods in the past, but clearly this was just a slip up. The general rule of thumb is to give a warning, then let the user calm down first. Obviously, a person is going to be angry about a warning, so adding a warning on top of that does not make sense nor is it fair to do in such a short time period. I know that even I have slipped up like that, but I corrected the situation by lowering the moderation warning, and issuing an apology (which looking back, I've probably apologized for too much, but hey, nobody wants to tear me limb from limb... yet).

I know I didn't quite touch everything you addressed, but I hope this can help you and the staff a little bit.






inb4 staff, rather than try hopelessly to defend yourselves with rehashed and overall bad excuses that we've seen before, or try to disregard it because "He's from VIP chat" or some other detrimental statement, it'd probably be a good idea to take these examples into consideration when rewriting the rules.
:>.>palm: Do you HAVE to trash the mods every chance you get? A simple, "I agree with that guy" or "he brings up some good points" could suffice. You don't give the moderation team the respect or credit they deserve. They bust their asses to make sure that the forum stays a likable place and all you do is try to show how evil they are, and what monsters they are, and how things should be run differently. What ever happened to "give respect, get respect"? If you don't like the way things are run, nobody is forcing you to stay. I've seen too much of what they do to let you keep getting cheap shots at them all the time. We all make mistakes. It happens. A lot of mistakes were made in a short time period, admittedly, but it happens. Now, I would prefer if you pay a little more respect to the moderation team, because that can be interpreted as flaming, trolling, AND disruptive behavior. We aren't idiots here. We know how to run things with technicalities if we have a user who runs on them too...
(This rant was directed at LordNOah. cx_asuka, I liked your approach better. At least it was polite)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on July 28, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
:>.>palm: Do you HAVE to trash the mods every chance you get? A simple, "I agree with that guy" or "he brings up some good points" could suffice. You don't give the moderation team the respect or credit they deserve. They bust their asses to make sure that the forum stays a likable place and all you do is try to show how evil they are, and what monsters they are, and how things should be run differently. What ever happened to "give respect, get respect"? If you don't like the way things are run, nobody is forcing you to stay. I've seen too much of what they do to let you keep getting cheap shots at them all the time. We all make mistakes. It happens. A lot of mistakes were made in a short time period, admittedly, but it happens. Now, I would prefer if you pay a little more respect to the moderation team, because that can be interpreted as flaming, trolling, AND disruptive behavior. We aren't idiots here. We know how to run things with technicalities if we have a user who runs on them too...
(This rant was directed at LordNOah. cx_asuka, I liked your approach better. At least it was polite)

I'm the one who takes shots at them?  Ever since I first brought something up, I've been disreguarded as "trolling" and not taken seriously. I actually have an excuse to be pissed off because it seems like every chance that presents its self to the staff they use against me, including one little banning incident that we all know wasn't an accident.  In fact, I'm pretty sure not much of anything I bring up can qualify as mistakes.

Do you remember this? (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.msg470761#msg470761)
or maybe the polite response? (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.msg470821#msg470821)
I have tried to be polite in the past, it really hasn't worked.

Lately, whenever I post anything its met with the same tone of "oh, you again.  How can we get rid of you this time."  Replies such as this (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg573355#msg573355), this (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=22219.67425), this (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg567777#msg567777), and not to mention this little incident 2 days ago (http://pastebin.com/9uGuCEz2) (probably contains swears, click at own risk) completely justify my attitude.  Yeah, perhaps when you respect your members a little more I'll give you credit.  I'm really sorry for telling you when I think something is wrong.

Edit : My Bad. Fixed.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 28, 2011, 11:49:49 PM
I do remember those. And since I remember those, I can assure you that the situation was under control UNTIL you had to expose everything wrong with the forums, which led to the situation afterwards. The day started out as just a reminder to (the person who started the poll) to keep forum matters in the admin section before going public with it. It could have been left at that, and we could have avoided what had to be the most torturous administrating I have ever done. Before that incident, I only knew you as the guy on the irc. You didn't stick out as a troll, flamer, or disruptive person before this point. And you know how strongly you came on in that original post. You KNOW. That is why you asked permission for the second thread which I unfortunately approved, thinking that you would stay true to your word and keep the thread from getting out of hand, where I had to lock it again. So yes, after that, you were known as the guy who led a (successful) attack on the moderation team. Call it a troll, flamer, what-have-you, but you were considered dangerous.

I don't see at any point where there was a "polite" tone to your words. Everything I encountered was condescending and attacking. The issue at hand originally was post count. I don't even know what to call what the situation has blown up into. And yeah, I know Oizen's response was more than childish, and he was punished for that after it happened. You threw the first blows in this fight (What's what), and we had nothing to do but defend our sorry hides. When the staff sees respect towards them, they will show it back. There's a way to address problems, and you just happened to do it the wrong way back then. And yeah, we avoid talking about it again because it will only stir up more of a mess like we had before. We'd prefer not to clean up a mess like that again.

And I say "we" in these posts, but I mean the team, excluding me. I can't do anything except stand up for the people who I know are working intensely behind the scenes to keep crap from hitting a large fan.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 29, 2011, 01:27:29 AM

You know, after your little demonstration of corruption in the IRC that you jacked, as dead as it may be, really hurts your credibility when it comes to any time of moderation suggestion, not that you had much to begin with.

I don't see why we should take advice,complaints and slander from the guy who basic ideal of moderation is "I don't care, as long as this place is active"

another thing, you seem very....dissatisfied with the way things are run around here. Why don't you just go? We're not forcing you to visit this place, if you want a new forum for brawl hacking, you could try out the new LST forum, or just go to Smash Boards. Theres no reason for you to stay in a place you've hated on so much.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish anyway?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 29, 2011, 04:28:25 AM
Okay ... let's go with Asuka's questions before moving to the more disorganized stuff.

1) Kitty Leaks
About the Warning, I'm pretty sure that it was removed later on for having been too strict, and that apologies were given.
As for what some of the staff didn't lock the thread right away, and some did, it's pretty simple : we may try and be a coherent team, but we aren't all like-minded. While Oizen and I didn't fel necesary to lock the thread at first, Vish felt it was. To me, it was an acceptable decision either way, considering the nature of the website, and of the topic.
I don't know about Oizen, but I have a little hunch ... I believe that some people here never realized that, with the attitude some users have toward him, if Oizen had locked the thread for the same reason as Vishk's, he'd have immediately been called all sort of names, and blamed for personnal vengeance, butthurt, etc...

It's not really what I would call a blatant exemple of favoritism .... At best, a situation not handled as perfectly as some people expect us to be.

2) Kitty Leaks in the Family Thread.
It's up to a moderator's judgement to ask a specific topic to not be discussed if he feels that it's going to degenerate. Considering the discussions that had happenned in VILE's thread, and the very essence of his comics, I don't really think it was that farfetched to consider it would degenerate in the Family Thread.
It's not because users bring up a topic that it won't degenerate at some point. If there is anything to blame, I'd say maybe Oizen's weird way of talking with the user discomfort thing. Because in essence, it was just stopping a potentially dangerous subject of discussion.

As for Noah's sanction, it was removed, and the way his sanction was handled was discussed in the Admin Thread.

3) The Kitty Leaks return.
About Oizen's post, yes I guess it was a bit more agressive than it should have been. Why do you think it was deleted ? Answer is in the question.

"Apparently, now the staff can and will delete any post they consider inappropriate."
=> It's always been the case, if I may. Also, cf #2 since I was more like, talking about "stopping potentialy dangerous conversations".

"What if the staff member simply doesn't like my opinion about something and deletes my post claiming it was for the sake of keeping things in order?"
=> If it really was an abusive deletion, he'll get scolded for being an idiot and making the rest of the team look like buffoons. and the post will be restored. You can also contest something like that in the appropriate place if it happens.
Kinda like asking "What if a staff member doesn't like me and thus mutes me ? Staff shouldn't be muting people." It's a moderation act all the same.

"[...]I gotta say some of them were quite harmless..."
=> Again, and again, and again, these things really are left to the moderator's discretion, and rely heavily on the context. A post encased and linked to an off-topic, agressive discussion can be removed even if by itself it was harmless (keeping it lying around would make no sense since it wouldn't refer to anything in the thread). A post that could lead to a dangerous discussion, in a touchy topic can go down too if a mod judges it necessary.

"It shows Oizen's motivation to lock the thread (and the previous warning spree in the family thread) is more for personal reasons rather than being objective as a mod."
=> It's not because you disagree with another staff guy that it makes you act for personnal reasons ...
 
I dunno, but you seem to have missed that, at the time, KL had already caused enough trouble as is. And VILE was making it a personnal vendetta at the time, to top it all. To me, both Oizen's and Vyse's judgement were justified by experience. Oizen was technically more prudent in dealing with it moderation-wise.

"if it happened a couple months ago, it's way in the past and doesn't even matter anymore..."
=> "It doesn't matter anymore", because we're kinda more focused on making the present forum look correct, than actually trying to rebuild the past one. ;)

About SW, everything was settled in the Moderation corner with the actual "victim".

4) Goodbye topics
Oh hey, this one is actually easy to reply to. ^^

Look at the time of your screenshots. Sorceress created her thread at 10:13:59 AM, Oizen his thread at 8:57:33 PM. Btw, it was already brought up somewhere else (maybe the Admin thread, I don't remember) and the same answer was given.

One could even hypothtize that it was Sorceress's thread that encourage Oizen to create his topic.

"Was it closed because he said he didn't like how the staff works?"
=> The way he saw our work was what gave birth to his big rant and off-topic. Saw yeah, it's a cause => consequence thing.

(And again, we discussed the matter already with SW in the Moderation Corner. So I think there's no more reason to keep white-knighting him by now.)

5, 7, 8) Words/Exressions/Censor things.

This subject of discussion is a huge mess even to us, and alot of moderators are still a bit confused about this one. I'd blame the utter confusion over favoritism, really.  :-\
We're late in updating the rules and making our own "rules on how we should moderate things in practice", so please be a bit forgiving if some things aren't really all that consistent. >_>;;

We're trying to find "typical reactions" for as many of the specific examples you guys are showing us as possible.

6) The Warn status time ... well, two things :

- You already guessed it yourself : it's up to the moderator's judgement. Sometimes, you can mute someone for a few hours, just the time for them to calm down. Sometimes, the user is considered to having a more malicious intent, or having done a worse infraction, and is sanctionned for a longer time

- I have a hunch that the auto-removal of warnings doesn't work all the time ... I'll need to investigate a bit on who warned what and see if there are any inconsistencies. But I'm freakin' busy all the time, so please be patient.
And if something was forgotten in the process, I think we all prefer a polite reminder than a [censored]in' about power abuse, favoritism, etc... (Not saying that what you're doing, but ... eh, you get what I mean.)

9) About Missed sanctions.

(To any user beside Asuka : If you see something that we missed. Then report it, or don't complain about it.)
As to why your reports are not reported (I swear on anything that is holy that none of these reports appeared in the Reported Posts section) . I have a little hunch ...
Italian has got the same issue as you do, I believe.

I have the feeling that the custom ranks Hakumen gave you out of pure charity are messing with the Report system. I'll remove yours temporarily. Once it's done, could you please report any post (OUTSIDE of the Stages section) with a TEST mention on it ?

10) Above rules thing.

I dunno about the Oizen's post you made ... I guess I'll add those as examples in out own "Moderation tactics topic".
The huge fonts thing was rather stupid though. I'll go and scold Oizen for that I guess. (But it's kinda too late to sanction it, since well, we don't even sanction regular user's  month-old posts for spammy/light flaming stuff, for obvious reasons.)

"ID theft fad"
=> Had I been around, I guess I'd have asked for it to stop rather quickly, mostly for the same reasons as the Longnames fad.
But that's more like a "missed infraction" (more like an annoyance than an infraction to the rules, really) than a "staff above the rules", in case you haven't noticed.

"The reason why I didn't "screen captured" anything of that is because when I finally had the chance to do it, they had already stopped and gone back to normal."
=> No proble, I see what you mean. :)

TLDR :
1) Lots of things are up to moderation's judgement, especially things that are/aren't considered "potentially dangerous to the discussion".
2) Technical problems.
3) Late to Updating the twin Rules topics.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on July 29, 2011, 04:32:12 AM
One could even hypothtize that it was Sorceress's thread that encourage Oizen to create his topic.
Did you read my mind or something, i was thinking the same thing. o.o

Edit: I approve of the rule for goodbye threads for certain reasons, but i think goodbye threads should say the real reason for the person leaving, I forgive Mikuru for her thread, she had to leave for a rl issue, but nothing related to leaving because of me, i forgive her totally, i never disliked her in the first place, but i think goodbye threads should say the real reason for the person leaving and i did leave because of my "mouth surgery" but the rule was made afterwords, but i came back because i said i will come back when i feel better and here i am.

And for the part about "Oizen's Flaming" i seen that post he made about me, i don't mind him trolling me, but i think he should be alittle more nicer to other users, including me.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 29, 2011, 05:24:52 AM
"I don't care, as long as this place is active"
I think this actually fits allenmelon's politics a bit more, to be honest.

Did you read my mind or something, i was thinking the same thing. o.o
Empathy. I haz it. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on July 29, 2011, 05:33:37 AM
Umm... may i ask what happens to users with usernames that contains swear words or something similar?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 29, 2011, 05:37:05 AM
Umm... may i ask what happens to users with usernames that contains swear words or something similar?
I quess they'll be kindly asked to change it to something more legit. And if they don't, we'll just change the name back to their registration name.

*adds it to the Moderation Tactics rough draft*


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on July 29, 2011, 05:39:20 AM
I quess they&#039;ll be kindly asked to change it to something more legit. And if they don&#039;t, we&#039;ll just change the name back to their registration name.

*adds it to the Moderation Tactics rough draft*
What happens if they registered as the name and they spelled it wrong, does those count?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 29, 2011, 05:47:56 AM
I guess that for very specific stuff like that, it will be done on a case by case basis and through discussions with the user.

(However, one cannot register on the boards with a currently censored word in his username. Something I had experienced on my first time here when Random had "replaced" Miacis with The original furry. Effectively not allowing me to register here. :P)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on July 29, 2011, 05:53:23 AM
So because Random messed with your username, you couldn't register here, well thats bad, but now is that "power abuse"?

and for the "Bots", what happens if they don't act like one and we mistake it for a user or a user for a bot, what would you guys do then?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 29, 2011, 06:25:42 AM
So because Random messed with your username, you couldn't register here, well thats bad, but now is that "power abuse"?
Yeah, that was some pretty epic power abuse, back in the day. :P
But hey, it's all settled now, so who cares ?

Quote
and for the "Bots", what happens if they don't act like one and we mistake it for a user or a user for a bot, what would you guys do then?
? Not sure what you mean. If we have the certitude an account is a bot, we'll ban it. Not sure where "how the regular users consider a bot" intervenes here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on July 29, 2011, 06:29:33 AM
? Not sure what you mean. If we have the certitude an account is a bot, we'll ban it. Not sure where "how the regular users consider a bot" intervenes here.
Well if a new user has a advertising link in his/her sig, but hasn't picked a avatar, but already made a intro thread and people are already calling the user a bot, is their any way for mods/admins to check if he/she is human.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 29, 2011, 07:50:13 AM
Well if a new user has a advertising link in his/her sig, but hasn't picked a avatar, but already made a intro thread and people are already calling the user a bot, is their any way for mods/admins to check if he/she is human.
We'll check for various stuff like the hostame, profile infos, and the like. Once we're sure it's a bot, we'll ban it. Simple as that.

Also, the Rules have finally been updated. If anything important was forgotten, please do tell.
Our "Moderation Tactics Guidelines" will soon follow in the Admin board. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on July 29, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
Well, there are some things here that I'd like to comment on.


You know, after your little demonstration of corruption in the IRC that you jacked, as dead as it may be, really hurts your credibility when it comes to any time of moderation suggestion, not that you had much to begin with.

I don't see why we should take advice,complaints and slander from the guy who basic ideal of moderation is "I don't care, as long as this place is active"

another thing, you seem very....dissatisfied with the way things are run around here. Why don't you just go? We're not forcing you to visit this place, if you want a new forum for brawl hacking, you could try out the new LST forum, or just go to Smash Boards. Theres no reason for you to stay in a place you've hated on so much.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish anyway?

That's not the approach the staff is supposed to take. The reason moderators exist is to make the forums as pleasing as possible for the users. So, how should a mod say "agree or GTFO"? That sounds just ridiculous.

Well, while it's true one can't please everyone, that's exactly what the staff is supposed to achieve.

There was something else, but my headache just won't let me concentrate in reading, and I'd need to re-read Miacis post entirely...
I'll leave it for later.

Oh, and the update to the rules was great. Makes it much more clear. There is still a couple of small holes, that I'll post here later when I'm feeling better so you guys can debate on them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 29, 2011, 11:02:54 AM
Edit : The link to the pastebin was removed. I don't really think revealing hostnames and/or IP adresses from users on the boards is something that an IRC AOP should do. Please remove the aforementionned from your wall of text if you want to link it here.
Miacis, I know you mean well, but you really need to just not involve yourself with matters concerning the IRC, because frankly, you do not know a damn thing about it.

ANYONE, not just an op, has access to that information. Anyone could get on IRC right now, /whowas, say, Wolfric, and have the information present in that log. There's no point hiding it; anyone who wants it can get it easily just by knowing the person's nick. So there was no reason to remove that link.

I have a lot more to say on the subjects raised here, but I'm already going to be late getting back from my lunch hour. Soooooooo I'll do it later.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 29, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
It's not because I don't know that thing that I have to involve myself in nothing related to the Chat, right ? >w>
I find it to be a little stupid to work like that, but heh. Fixed anyway.

(Also, I kinda messed up and deleted your post by mistake Vyse. Though I had seen a double-post. ._.
It's fixed now, I think)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dingo on July 29, 2011, 01:10:41 PM
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One could even hypothtize that it was Sorceress's thread that encourage Oizen to create his topic.

Not quite. The times don't seem to match up for starters. And before any of that, I brought it the idea of pointless goodbye threads to a mod's attention. The rule was put into place later that night even using the example of just being gone for a few hours. So something was decided in the admin section regarding that from my report and talking to mods.

Other threads could have been added ammo, but at least weren't the start of what caused the start of that rule about goodbye threads.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on July 29, 2011, 01:32:04 PM
Well, there are some things here that I'd like to comment on.

That's not the approach the staff is supposed to take. The reason moderators exist is to make the forums as pleasing as possible for the users. So, how should a mod say "agree or GTFO"? That sounds just ridiculous.

Well, while it's true one can't please everyone, that's exactly what the staff is supposed to achieve.

There was something else, but my headache just won't let me concentrate in reading, and I'd need to re-read Miacis post entirely...
I'll leave it for later.

Oh, and the update to the rules was great. Makes it much more clear. There is still a couple of small holes, that I'll post here later when I'm feeling better so you guys can debate on them.

Your entire post is based on the assumption that this a new thing for him.

Its been a good 4 months now. This isn't advice from a moderator I'm giving him, its just more of personal advice to someone who clearly like to torture themselves.

Not quite. The times don't seem to match up for starters. And before any of that, I brought it the idea of pointless goodbye threads to a mod's attention. The rule was put into place later that night even using the example of just being gone for a few hours. So something was decided in the admin section regarding that from my report and talking to mods.

Other threads could have been added ammo, but at least weren't the start of what caused the start of that rule about goodbye threads.

LordNoAh's stupid goodbye thread was actually what did it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on July 29, 2011, 02:06:02 PM

Your entire post is based on the assumption that this a new thing for him.

Its been a good 4 months now. This isn't advice from a moderator I'm giving him, its just more of personal advice to someone who clearly like to torture themselves.

What are you talking about? Looks like you completely missed the point of my post O.o


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dingo on July 29, 2011, 03:24:37 PM

LordNoAh's stupid goodbye thread was actually what did it.

Which was what I reported and brought up at the time, I just wasn't pointing fingers here and now since I didn't see any need to.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on July 29, 2011, 07:51:58 PM
I have a suggestion for rules for the help section:

Don't use non-specific titles or titles in all caps.
Instead, use titles such as "SFX question" or "Need help with PSA" or "Stumped on texturing snake" where a person with expertise in the area will recognize the title and be able to help immediately.

Also, how long should a user wait before bumping a topic like this? I would suggest at least two days, but that's just me. This could be another addition to the rules as well.


I just happened to see a topic in the help section and the poster was frustrated because nobody replied (within a few hours) to his thread: HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (not to pick on that guy specifically, but I know things like this have happened in the past too)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 30, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
OK, time for some hot posting action.

1. Kitty Leaks Thread
I wasn't involved with this at all; I didn't know about it until after everything had been done.

Looking back, I can't think of much to say. All I can think of is that you made a pretty good point about the blog having its own content warning.

2. Leaks in the Family
Not involved with the Family at all. Can't really speak on it.

As for forbidding certain topics from discussion: I'll say now that you've already seen the phrase "moderator discretion" a few times, and you'll probably see it a lot more before this is over.

I, personally, don't see a need to forbid certain subjects. A lack of civility is the fault of the users, not the subject matter.

A note on being "ninja'd": Profile -> Look and Layout Preferences. "Don't warn on new replies made while posting."

Unless this box is checked, you cannot claim you were "ninja'd." Because you weren't. If this box is unchecked (and it is, by default), then if someone posts before you click "Post," you are taken to the Reply page with red text telling you that someone "ninja'd" you. Scroll down, and you can read the new post(s).

I just checked your profile, Noah, and that box is unchecked. Maybe it wasn't back then; I have no way of knowing.

But I can't think of any reason to ever check that box.

3. Kitty Leaks Returns, Post Deletions, and Locking Threads
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On the other hand, it's quite dubious that the staff will properly delete posts.

There's a moderation log that records things like post deletions. It's very easy to hold us accountable for things like that.

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I don't know about other users, but I don't like the idea of my post getting deleted because a staff member considered it inappropriate.

So you'd rather get a warning and have the "inappropriate" portion of the post edited out anyway?

Because those are your options in that scenario.

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What if the staff member simply doesn't like my opinion about something and deletes my post claiming it was for the sake of keeping things in order?

Again, it's easy to hold us accountable for this. If this happens and you disagree, feel free to take it up in the Moderation Corner.

As for locking threads: I don't think I've ever done it. I can't recall being in a situation where I thought it was necessary. If a thread gets out of hand (off-topic, arguing, whatever), my approach is usually to delete the irrelevant stuff and make a post reinforcing the topic. But, you know, moderator discretion.

4. Goodbye Threads
First, yeah, Oizen's and Sorceress's threads were made the same day, but Oizen made his about 11 hours after Sorceress. One thing we don't do is punish retroactively. No one is gonna get modded for breaking a rule that didn't exist at the time. (At least, that better not ever happen. I would have some serious words for whoever did that.)

As for Starwaffle: I wasn't there, but if Star wanted to rant about unfair moderation, that's what this thread is for. That thread probably wasn't going anywhere good, so I can see why Oizen locked it.

5. Insults
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after all, I have an homosexual friend that uses "gay" as "stupid", and he clearly doesn't have a problem with it... being gay himself... so why would anybody else (specially heterosexual people) feel offended by it?

I have several friends like that -- but I still wrote the rule. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.

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Ok then, you're acting according to your rules, then.... why didn't this user get a warning too?

[url]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/cx_asuka/kc%20mm%20stuff/words1.png[/url]

Probably because it wasn't reported?

6. Warning Times
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The Muted level was removed rather quickly and I'm sure the same happened with either the Moderated and/or Warned levels.
Why?

I wasn't around for this either, but here's my educated guess: All of those moderations were handed out at the same time, on posts that had all been made before the mod did anything. Later, someone, either the mod who did it or another one, thought it was unfair to hand out successive moderations so close together. After all, the point of the Warned status is to make users a bit more cautious about breaking rules. Obviously, if all these posts had already been made, there was no opportunity for Velen to do that, making the following moderations unfair. So they were removed.

Like I said, that's just a guess. But if I'm wrong, that means someone set Velen to Moderated, then allowed another rule-breaking post and Muted him, which is just wrong.

7. Censorship
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I don't feel the need to insult other users, so when I use censored words by the filter it's just as an expression.

"Offend" doesn't mean "directly insult." It is possible, even very easy, to offend someone entirely on accident.

There are people who, for whatever reason, do not want to see those words. You should respect that. I don't care why you're doing it. Those people have a right to a pleasant experience.

When the rules are revised, I will be removing the phrase "to insult someone" from the rule on censor bypassing.

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I'll get warned when I unconsciously post an auto-censored word because I can't avoid habits?

That's not our problem.

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So, apparently, we can't use images or videos that could be "bypassing the censor filter"?
What if a song has the word [censored] used once or twice? I'll be instantly warned for it?
And if I use a meme image like "[censored] Yeah"? Apparently I'd get warned because of it.

Just include a warning for offensive language. If it's an image, spoiler tag it, like I did here (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=28262.msg607395#msg607395). Easy enough.

But Miacis is right: despite more than one discussion on the matter, this is something on which almost every mod has a wildly varying opinion. But that should be taken care of soon.

8. Missed Moderations
Yeah, we never saw those reports. By the way, only "report test 5" showed up. I dunno what the deal is.

9. Mods Above the Rules
Every example is Oizen. Hilarious.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 30, 2011, 08:10:08 PM
I'll also add a little footnote to Vyse's #6 remarks. Here's something I posted in the admin section and that I think will be in our moderation guidelines :

I said it already, but I'm kinda against the idea of "chaining sanctions". Which means : distributing alot of increasingly bad sanctions to an angry user in a short length of time. It's just taking advantage of the user's state of mind, when you should be calming him down. (You know ... "talking moderation into him".)
The main exception I see is :
  • The user is completely uncontrolable and needs to get Moderated to stop his "flood". Try to at least calm the user down first. And if it fails, go for Moderated.
Accepting a bad post from a Moderated user just to sanction it even more should be completely out of question. Simply do not accept the post if it deserves a sanction. That's what Moderated is for.
The Moderated rank will lead to a Muted if the user is (attempting to) post a vast majority of rulebreaking stuff.

The last sentence was underlined, because I guess people could wonder what the point of Muted if people posting rule-breaking stuff are already moderated, and their messages not accepted.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 30, 2011, 08:17:02 PM
OK, I've made a few small rule edits and cleaned up Miacis's notes on censoring. Changelog is first thing in the rules, as usual.

If anyone else has any questions regarding clarification or outright changing of the rules, tonight's a good time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on July 30, 2011, 08:24:35 PM
I'll also add a little footnote to Vyse's #6 remarks. Here's something I posted in the admin section and that I think will be in our moderation guidelines :

I said it already, but I'm kinda against the idea of "chaining sanctions". Which means : distributing alot of increasingly bad sanctions to an angry user in a short length of time. It's just taking advantage of the user's state of mind, when you should be calming him down. (You know ... "talking moderation into him".)
The main exception I see is :
  • The user is completely uncontrolable and needs to get Moderated to stop his "flood". Try to at least calm the user down first. And if it fails, go for Moderated.
Accepting a bad post from a Moderated user just to sanction it even more should be completely out of question. Simply do not accept the post if it deserves a sanction. That's what Moderated is for.
The Moderated rank will lead to a Muted if the user is (attempting to) post a vast majority of rulebreaking stuff.

The last sentence was underlined, because I guess people could wonder what the point of Muted if people posting rule-breaking stuff are already moderated, and their messages not accepted.
Totally loving this, but...
  • The user is completely uncontrolable and needs to get Moderated to stop his "flood". Try to at least calm the user down first. And if it fails, go for Moderated.
This, I assume, would be up to the Moderator's choice, or how would that be classified?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on July 30, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
"if it happened a couple months ago, it's way in the past and doesn't even matter anymore..."
=> "It doesn't matter anymore", because we're kinda more focused on making the present forum look correct, than actually trying to rebuild the past one. ;)


I disagree with that.
The past is always important, looking into our past mistakes so that we can avoid them in the future is something everyone should do.

In the case of the forums, looking back helps to create better moderation tactics, identify the mistakes in handling some situations, etc.
If you guys as the moderation team, see us users bringing things from the past, it's more likely to be because we don't see any significant change made about that situation.


Oh hey, this one is actually easy to reply to. ^^

Look at the time of your screenshots. Sorceress created her thread at 10:13:59 AM, Oizen his thread at 8:57:33 PM. Btw, it was already brought up somewhere else (maybe the Admin thread, I don't remember) and the same answer was given.

One could even hypothtize that it was Sorceress's thread that encourage Oizen to create his topic.


I highly doubt that the rule was suddenly created because Sorceress made that thread.
I would say it was more because of the previous goodbye topics that were quite useless and pointless.
As said here:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg611813#msg611813
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg611813#msg611813


- I have a hunch that the auto-removal of warnings doesn't work all the time ... I'll need to investigate a bit on who warned what and see if there are any inconsistencies. But I'm freakin' busy all the time, so please be patient.


Well, yeah, I can be patient, no problem.
The thing is that it's something that has already been mentioned before, Vish told me he even had brought that up (I suppose within the staff section), but you claimed it didn't happen:

I personnally disapprove of removing ranks manually. Simply because the rank will always go away by itself.


I'm just saying that it would be nice if it could be fixed as soon as you guys have the time to do so.


I have the feeling that the custom ranks Hakumen gave you out of pure charity are messing with the Report system. I'll remove yours temporarily. Once it's done, could you please report any post (OUTSIDE of the Stages section) with a TEST mention on it ?


Already tried some reports with Vish before, then made 5 new tests.


I dunno about the Oizen's post you made ... I guess I'll add those as examples in out own "Moderation tactics topic".
The huge fonts thing was rather stupid though. I'll go and scold Oizen for that I guess. (But it's kinda too late to sanction it, since well, we don't even sanction regular user's  month-old posts for spammy/light flaming stuff, for obvious reasons.)


To be honest, I've never expected to see the staff to sanction themselves because it's more likely that it wouldn't happen. Or at least not in a way that we would know or see...

My goal wasn't to see him sanctioned, it was to prove a point, that the staff should play by the same rules the users do.
Because according to the rules, those posts where either flaming, trolling, spamming, or disruptive behavior.
After all, shouldn't they set the example for the users of what is allowed and what isn't?


"ID theft fad"
=> Had I been around, I guess I'd have asked for it to stop rather quickly, mostly for the same reasons as the Longnames fad.
But that's more like a "missed infraction" (more like an annoyance than an infraction to the rules, really) than a "staff above the rules", in case you haven't noticed.


Oh, I included it in the "staff above the rules" section because Oizen formed part of it.

_________________________________________________ _____________________________________


I don't see why we should take advice,complaints and slander from the guy who basic ideal of moderation is "I don't care, as long as this place is active"

another thing, you seem very....dissatisfied with the way things are run around here. Why don't you just go? We're not forcing you to visit this place, if you want a new forum for brawl hacking, you could try out the new LST forum, or just go to Smash Boards. Theres no reason for you to stay in a place you've hated on so much.

Ok... 2 things.

1. I think that the "I don't care, as long as this place is active" line was allenmelon's (I tend to lurk that chat, so I saw almost all of that).

2. No offense, but why don't you follow your own advice Oizen?
Instead of using any chance you have to bring up that martyr-like act about how despite what you do, your "in-famous fame" will always be present and bla bla bla... why don't you leave?
If it really hurts you so much as you make it seem, it might be a good option... or not?

_________________________________________________ _____________________________________


3. Kitty Leaks Returns, Post Deletions, and Locking Threads
So you'd rather get a warning and have the "inappropriate" portion of the post edited out anyway?

Because those are your options in that scenario.


Depends.
If I'm not notified of my post being deleted, yes, I would prefer to get my post edited and a warning saying why it was edited.
At least that way I could bring up my case in the Moderation Corner instead of just being censored without me noticing.

Also, I think it would serve as an example for other users to avoid the same mistake.
But that's just my opinion.


4. Goodbye Threads
First, yeah, Oizen's and Sorceress's threads were made the same day, but Oizen made his about 11 hours after Sorceress. One thing we don't do is punish retroactively. No one is gonna get modded for breaking a rule that didn't exist at the time. (At least, that better not ever happen. I would have some serious words for whoever did that.)


That's fair enough.


Probably because it wasn't reported?


I did report that.
But according to you guys, my reports weren't appearing so...


Just include a warning for offensive language. If it's an image, spoiler tag it, like I did here ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=28262.msg607395#msg607395[/url]). Easy enough.


Thanks, that's something quite useful to know since nobody had pointed it out before.


8. Missed Moderations
Yeah, we never saw those reports. By the way, only "report test 5" showed up. I dunno what the deal is.


I made 5 test reports in different parts of the forums... seems like at least the last 1 did work.


9. Mods Above the Rules
Every example is Oizen. Hilarious.


Well, it's not my fault that it was so easy to find those posts Oizen made to make my point...
I guess I could mention some other things like: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=28800.msg600592#msg600592  as an example too... but I don't know if it would count according to the "moderator discretion".

_________________________________________________ _____________________________________


And finally, thanks, it's good to see that some things have been cleared and that the rules are more specific and clear than before.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on July 30, 2011, 09:53:28 PM
Well, it's not my fault that it was so easy to find those posts Oizen made to make my point...
I think you misunderstood. I wasn't complaining.

I just honestly think it's funny that examples of Oizen breaking rules are so plentiful and easy to find.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on July 31, 2011, 06:24:05 AM
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I disagree with that.
The past is always important, looking into our past mistakes so that we can avoid them in the future is something everyone should do.

In the case of the forums, looking back helps to create better moderation tactics, identify the mistakes in handling some situations, etc.
If you guys as the moderation team, see us users bringing things from the past, it's more likely to be because we don't see any significant change made about that situation.
Thing is : lots of problems from the past have already been settled, do not really have any solution anymore, or aren't pertinent anymore to bring up, because the context of the boards changed alot.

To take a simple example, what the hell would you want me to reply if you quoted the time during the post-count events where Oizen used that "Cool story bro" picture to reply to Noah's wall of acusations ?
I mean, Oizen was scolded for that (I personnally had asked for his demotion at that time because of how he had handled things), and it's obvious that we aren't gonna add to our Moderation Tactics : "Do not puost COOL STORY BRO pictures in topic that might degenerate."

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Well, yeah, I can be patient, no problem.
The thing is that it's something that has already been mentioned before, Vish told me he even had brought that up (I suppose within the staff section), but you claimed it didn't happen:
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I personnally disapprove of removing ranks manually. Simply because the rank will always go away by itself.

I'm just saying that it would be nice if it could be fixed as soon as you guys have the time to do so.
Uhhh ... you kinda, completely quoted me out of context, there.  :-\ I had posted this on the 7th July. Back in the day, I was sure that the auto-removal was working fine (simply because so far, it was).
These day, I was of course proven wrong by the good dozen of people who had a warning for a month because of a mere double-post/necropost, etc ... (and I removed their sanction to all these people, of course).

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Already tried some reports with Vish before, then made 5 new tests.
Yeah, I saw that ... only the last one, in the family thread, worked.
In which boards did you report numbers 1 to 4 ?

It's kinda hard to fix things like that ... when a functionality of the boards just won't work for no specific reason. ._.

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My goal wasn't to see him sanctioned, it was to prove a point, that the staff should play by the same rules the users do.
Because according to the rules, those posts where either flaming, trolling, spamming, or disruptive behavior.
After all, shouldn't they set the example for the users of what is allowed and what isn't?
"The staff" plays with the same rules (despite the obvious fact that they more or less make the rules and judge how to apply them ...), it's not news there. I'm pretty sure no one ever considered themselves above the rules and/or obviously took liberties in doing wheatever the hell they wanted.

Those are slip-ups that the user is doing, not the moderator. We really can't be saints (we tried, but we really can't). You can't just "always set the example". Neither can we ask of you users to be perfect.
So, really, if you see a moderator doing something wrong ... contact him, contact another mod, report, I dunno. Help the mod/admin help himself, even if it leads to a sanction. Again, anyone can slip up. Don't just assume that the guy does this because "the staff is above the rules", because there's nothing less true.  :-\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 02, 2011, 01:07:55 PM
more problems about TBM (just ban him already and please IP ban so he can´t come in this site and download anything and mostly of all ban him from download Goku V1 psa as soon done with him)
btw the person made 2x accounts (also against rules) TBM/thebeastman +was warned
best  i show you why(the PM spam i got from him):
(http://s2.postimage.org/m9tqw4d42/2011_08_02_20_54_45_736x448.png)(http://s2.postimage.org/td1nz9v1e/2011_08_02_20_55_04_736x448.png)(http://s2.postimage.org/83e4zi3qk/2011_08_02_20_55_28_736x448.png)(http://s2.postimage.org/iq7zsgodo/2011_08_02_20_55_36_736x448.png)(http://s2.postimage.org/td1ulf90s/2011_08_02_20_55_39_736x448.png)(http://s2.postimage.org/4jsfjdrhy/2011_08_02_20_55_43_736x448.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 02, 2011, 01:29:53 PM
Lock him on PM.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 02, 2011, 09:49:50 PM
Lock him on PM.
already done but for some reason i can only lock one person at one time :(
also i am not the only one who get spammed by him about send a link to a undone hack

smashclash too and sure many others so someone please do something about him


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashClash on August 02, 2011, 10:02:54 PM
already done but for some reason i can only lock one person at one time :(
also i am not the only one who get spammed by him about send a link to a undone hack

smashclash too and sure many others so someone please do something about him
Yes, he PMs me for Gotenks. :srs: I haven't even exported it yet.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Well guys just block TBM, so he can't message you guys.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 02, 2011, 10:08:48 PM
Well guys just block TBM, so he can't message you guys.
the problem i can´t since i can only block one account at one time and he got 2 accounts


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 02, 2011, 10:10:52 PM
the problem i can´t since i can only block one account at one time and he got 2 accounts
Well just block both of them.

and i think his other account is banned, so thats why he made a new one.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 02, 2011, 10:13:58 PM
Well just block both of them. and i think his other account is banned, so thats why he made a new one.
not any longer yearstayday he posted on his other account on beyondyou´s thread (and ofc he asked for vegeta -.-)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 02, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
not any longer yearstayday he posted on his other account on beyondyou´s thread (and ofc he asked for vegeta -.-)
Well do you know how to block a user from PMing you?

Oh he must be a DBZ fan.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 02, 2011, 10:35:54 PM
Well do you know how to block a user from PMing you? Oh he must be a DBZ fan.
yes but still then i add one more(his other account) the ignorelist just delete both names thats why i can´t block more then once


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 02, 2011, 10:40:47 PM
yes but still then i add one more(his other account) the ignorelist just delete both names thats why i can´t block more then once
Strange, did you spell them right?

Edit: Strange it works for me...



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 02, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
Strange, did you spell them right?
yes ofc but anyway locked or not thats is against the rules to make 2x accounts you even say you getting banned for it+spamming is also against the rules so two thing he have done wrong(and dont forget all the stupid reports he have made on brawvault) there is always problems with him
then he post something or upload a hack on brawlvault or PM someone


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 02, 2011, 10:45:16 PM
yes ofc but anyway locked or not thats is against the rules to make 2x accounts you even say you getting banned for it+spamming is also against the rules so two thing he have done wrong(and dont forget all the stupid reports he have made on brawvault)
I know its against the rules, but we can't do anything about it, only a Mod/Admin can handle a problem like that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 02, 2011, 10:46:55 PM
I know its against the rules, but we can't do anything about it, only a Mod/Admin can handle a problem like that.
i know and thats why i come here to post this in first place so a admin or mod can handle it


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 02, 2011, 10:48:57 PM
i know and thats why i come here to post this in first place so a admin or mod can handle it
Well we can't do anything now, wait until a mod or admin is online and if he bugs you again report his PM and they might take care of it then.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 02, 2011, 11:44:03 PM
His PMing has been disabled. Has been for hours.

Also, I don't know what you're doing with the ignore list, but whatever it is, it's wrong. It wouldn't be very useful if you could block only one person at a time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 04, 2011, 09:49:22 AM
Can I ask why are multiple accounts allowed now?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 04, 2011, 10:23:54 AM
Can I ask why are multiple accounts allowed now?
Because there was no good reason to disallow them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 04, 2011, 11:56:54 AM
Because there was no good reason to disallow them.

Erm... Polls?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on August 04, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Vyse just wants to allow multiple accounts because he is secretly half the moderation team.

...

Blocking multiple accounts for polls didn't really help that much. Just easier to outlaw the practice...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 04, 2011, 01:10:01 PM
Vyse just wants to allow multiple accounts because he is secretly half the moderation team.
Dangit Vyse. Don't reveal the secret about my/your multiple accounts ! >.<


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 04, 2011, 08:10:58 PM
Blocking multiple accounts for polls didn't really help that much. Just easier to outlaw the practice...

Well, whatever. xP

Thanks for answering, though.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 06, 2011, 02:53:45 AM
Bot's thread.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=29966.msg623670#new


Edit: I guess it was already taken care of, now may i ask how does a Bot sign up to this site?...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 06, 2011, 03:19:24 AM
Edit: I guess it was already taken care of, now may i ask how does a Bot sign up to this site?...
Like anyone else.
It uses the various algorithms in its little metal head to follow the registration procedure. And if it's lucky/powerful enough, it can go past the various anti-bot filters we set.

We're quite the big website by now. As a consequence, we're often getting attacked by huges volleys of bots, but of course nobody sees that. :P So yeah, it's kinda normal that a few bots manage to slip through the net once in awhile.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 06, 2011, 10:35:24 AM
Like anyone else.
It uses the various algorithms in its little metal head to follow the registration procedure. And if it&#039;s lucky/powerful enough, it can go past the various anti-bot filters we set.

We&#039;re quite the big website by now. As a consequence, we&#039;re often getting attacked by huges volleys of bots, but of course nobody sees that. :P So yeah, it&#039;s kinda normal that a few bots manage to slip through the net once in awhile.
I'm guessing bots are mostly from other sites trying to advertise their site...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 07, 2011, 12:37:52 PM
You guys may have noticed a few changes, and especially that little "Awards" thing under some profiles.

That's a new thing we added to increase the interactions between the staff and the users, as well as a way to alleviate the ridiculous amount of membersgroups we had, some of them simply being decorative.

As of now, Membersgroups will ONLY be used to grant/remove permissions.

So yeah, awards are bestowed to members who win contests/tournaments, support the boards in various ways, are parts of the staff, or belong to some renowned hacking teams. There are many many MANY possibilities to get awards ... it will depend on our creativity to create new kinds of awards.

Getting an award does nothing but give you a pwetty icon to look at. Members wth Awards aren't necessarily better users than Award-less users. Check the description of each Award to know what they refer to.
You can check the awards you got in your profile. :3

Admins and mods are the ones who can assign Awards.
Up to 5 awards are displayed on the side of your posts. But if you ever get more than 5, you can go in your Profile => Awards and set your favorite ones to appear in priority.

What else, what else ... ? Well, we're still in the "creating and assigning awards" phase right now. So some stuff may be moving around.
If you have any questions, ask them here. o.o


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: LC-DDM on August 07, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
tl;dr

Awards is to KCMM just like hats is to TF2.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 07, 2011, 01:03:32 PM
tl;dr

Awards is to KCMM just like hats is to TF2.
More like Achievements, really.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 07, 2011, 01:20:11 PM
Shouldn't their be a award for being on the KC-MM Team?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on August 07, 2011, 01:23:47 PM
Miacis, did I ever tell you your awesome? :3


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 07, 2011, 01:24:35 PM
Miacis, did I ever tell you your awesome? :3
^ That Ur Awesome :D Good Job! Miacis!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 07, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
BTW, does this mean the mods and admin can make their own custom ones as well? Cause Oizen already has an Alchemist one. Just curious about it


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on August 07, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
Yay for already having an award!  I feel special :3 [/attentionhoar]


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 07, 2011, 01:38:02 PM
Shouldn't their be a award for being on the KC-MM Team?
I don't see the point, since there's already a membergroup for that, conferring a different name color and custom stars.

I don't like the admin and mod awards for the same reason.

BTW, does this mean the mods and admin can make their own custom ones as well? Cause Oizen already has an Alchemist one. Just curious about it
Yes, but that is supposed to be a test of the system that he will later remove.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on August 07, 2011, 01:51:18 PM
BTW, does this mean the mods and admin can make their own custom ones as well? Cause Oizen already has an Alchemist one. Just curious about it

Gonna remove it once everything settled. Hell I'll do it now since you seem disturbed by it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on August 07, 2011, 01:53:36 PM
Loving the awards, Miacis. I was getting sick of that Slavery Seal on my head. XD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 07, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Gonna remove it once everything settled. Hell I'll do it now since you seem disturbed by it.
Nah, i was just curious about it.

Loving the awards, Miacis. I was getting sick of that Slavery Seal on my head. XD
Liar, you loved it XD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on August 07, 2011, 01:59:36 PM
Liar, you loved it XD
I'm not into slavery. >:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 07, 2011, 02:00:03 PM
I suggest a thread with all existing awards in the OP and where people could discuss them.

It could even be here on the "News" board.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 07, 2011, 02:04:33 PM
I suggest a thread with all existing awards in the OP and where people could discuss them.

It could even be here on the "News" board.
I'll probably make a topic like that soon, once I'm done distributing all of the Tutorial Writer Awards.

Will probably be a place for people to complain we have forgotten to give them a specific kind of award. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on August 07, 2011, 03:39:31 PM
It's fine if you want to implement that awards thing, but just wanted to say that the mod and admin awards are redundant, you guys already have custom stars and titles that say what staff position you have.

Just saiyan. [/meme]


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on August 07, 2011, 03:46:30 PM
It's fine if you want to implement that awards thing, but just wanted to say that the mod and admin awards are redundant, you guys already have custom stars and titles that say what staff position you have.

Just saiyan. [/meme]

Thats nice


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on August 07, 2011, 04:13:35 PM

Thats nice
And that's spam.
Thanks for making a completely irrelevant and unnecessary post. r)



Anyways, wanted to ask if the report to mod function is still failing in some of the subforums.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 07, 2011, 04:14:13 PM
It's fine if you want to implement that awards thing, but just wanted to say that the mod and admin awards are redundant, you guys already have custom stars and titles that say what staff position you have.

Just saiyan. [/meme]
Actually, Oizen and I agreed that those could be blasted to pieces. >.>

But we'll maybe keep the KCMM Team one for the simple reason that there will be awards for other "major" hacking teams as well.
So it kinda makes sense despite the redundancy.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 08, 2011, 12:47:37 AM
Since there's mostly fights and drama that goes on here, everyone forgets it also says "Appreciations" on the subject.

So with that said, I really appreciate the "Awards" section, it's cool as [censored]. There's many different things and sections, so I'm currently browsing different members like crazy <_<

By the way, you forgot to add Lensho, StarStella, and myself to the "KC:MM Awards v2" winners section.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on August 08, 2011, 03:14:29 AM
Since there's mostly fights and drama that goes on here, everyone forgets it also says "Appreciations" on the subject.

So with that said, I really appreciate the "Awards" section, it's cool as [censored]. There's many different things and sections, so I'm currently browsing different members like crazy <_<

By the way, you forgot to add Lensho, StarStella, and myself to the "KC:MM Awards v2" winners section.
Yeah, the awards system... Well, that's a pretty nice way to show a member's won a contest, or has other achievements.

So props to whoever had this idea.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 08, 2011, 03:21:40 AM
Quote
By the way, you forgot to add Lensho, StarStella, and myself to the "KC:MM Awards v2" winners section.
Fixed. :)

So props to whoever had this idea.
Well, the idea was suggested by Kit Ballard. :3
She also offered technical help when we installed the mod.
As for planning and coordinating, that would be me. :P

But yeah, I'm very glad to know everyone likes it. I'll start creating a thread that describes all these Awards, how to get them, and where you can ask for awards that you're supposed to get.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 08, 2011, 03:26:16 AM
Where is my award! [/RandomCrazyUser]

Kidding aside, i like the award system a lot. This will define contributors from users, users from lurkers and so on. It's a really handy feature in my opinion.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on August 10, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
Oh, i though of this awhile ago but forgot.

Some kind of image zooming function.


Like, lets say I have a pic of a lemon.

(http://www.openclipart.org/image/250px/svg_to_png/nicubunu_Lemon.png)

I can re-size this just by adding "width=X height=x".

(http://www.openclipart.org/image/250px/svg_to_png/nicubunu_Lemon.png)

but it would also be useful if you could zoom in to a picture so that only a part within the original size is shown.

Example:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab31/PRGarciaFamily/lemontest.png)

And then i can make a icon like this.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab31/PRGarciaFamily/lemontest.png)


All by only using the original picture of the lemon and a combination of the two functions.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 10, 2011, 09:40:49 PM
Yeah, the awards system... Well, that's a pretty nice way to show a member's won a contest, or has other achievements.

So props to whoever had this idea.
I installed the Award system on KcMm-Extended (the forum for the KcMm Tf2 Server) and ran tests using that. After some tweeking I got em to fully work and repaired the KcMm's version when they desided to in stall it ^_^


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 10, 2011, 10:00:11 PM
Oh, i though of this awhile ago but forgot.

Some kind of image zooming function.


Like, lets say I have a pic of a lemon.

([url]http://www.openclipart.org/image/250px/svg_to_png/nicubunu_Lemon.png[/url])

I can re-size this just by adding "width=X height=x".

([url]http://www.openclipart.org/image/250px/svg_to_png/nicubunu_Lemon.png[/url])

but it would also be useful if you could zoom in to a picture so that only a part within the original size is shown.

Example:

([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab31/PRGarciaFamily/lemontest.png[/url])

And then i can make a icon like this.

([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab31/PRGarciaFamily/lemontest.png[/url])


All by only using the original picture of the lemon and a combination of the two functions.

Question is:
How do you zoom in on the part you want?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on August 10, 2011, 10:04:38 PM
Question is:
How do you zoom in on the part you want?

I was thinking five options.

Zoom top right
Zoom top left
Zoom bottom right
Zoom bottom left
Center

Of course, this is just a idea.
It's the coders who have to figure out how to incorporate it.. xD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 11, 2011, 04:17:48 AM
Of course, this is just a idea.
It's the coders who have to figure out how to incorporate it.. xD
Well, generally, the staff isn't really working on the new mods we install. We grab them from a specialized website (SMF Mods) and install the packages (and sometimes, have to fix a few stuff).
I just checked, and there doesn't seem to be anything like what you describe.

I guess you'll need to edit the pictures yourself. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on August 11, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
Question, does the censor filter work in the personal text under the avatar?
Just noticed that the phrase I've had there for some time is bypassing it.  r)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 14, 2011, 05:42:07 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30173.msg635707;boardseen#new

His project doesn't collab with mine. Someone can modify the title plz?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 14, 2011, 10:47:12 PM
i have a question, does this count as Disruptive Behavior(posting all in caps)?

YOU ARE SO STUPID!!! LISTEN UP!!!!! MARIODK SAID EXACTLY "sure if you can make me a good vertex (really good has to be as good as someone like beyond or starwaffe can make)" I TOLD HIM TO GIVE ME THE LINK TO HIS VERTEX THREAD AND THEN MARIODK FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS VERTEX THREAD AND WAS VERY STUPID ENOUGH TO SAY THAT I WAS SPAMMING WHICH I WASN'T!!!!!!!!!
I AM DONE WTH THIS CONVERSATION!!!! IF YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS ABOUT JOINING MY TEAM THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL OR YOUR COMMENT GETS REMOVED



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 14, 2011, 10:48:35 PM
i have a question, does this count as Disruptive Behavior(posting all in caps)?

I'd say it does.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on August 15, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
i have a question, does this count as Disruptive Behavior(posting all in caps)?



I'd say so, and if not that the content looks pretty offensive.

May I get a link to this?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 15, 2011, 12:33:46 AM

I&#039;d say so, and if not that the content looks pretty offensive.

May I get a link to this?

Umm... here.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30173.msg635919#msg635919
That guy needs to calm down...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 15, 2011, 12:35:01 AM

I'd say so, and if not that the content looks pretty offensive.

May I get a link to this?

Erm... It's a quote?

You can click it to get to where it's from =/


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 15, 2011, 12:39:40 AM

I'd say so, and if not that the content looks pretty offensive.

May I get a link to this?
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30173.msg635919#msg635919
^To the actual post. Reporting it results in an error, maybe useful to know.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 15, 2011, 08:08:30 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30173.msg635707;boardseen#new[/url]

His project doesn't collab with mine. Someone can modify the title plz?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 15, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
just look from this post and on, i think its trolling, but im not sure

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg637680#msg637680


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nanobuds on August 15, 2011, 08:20:24 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.615

major troll and spammer. read until last page :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 15, 2011, 08:20:41 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg637687#msg637687
I can't report this post :srs:

I get a database error.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nanobuds on August 15, 2011, 08:21:01 PM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg637687#msg637687[/url]
I can't report this post :srs:

I get a database error.

same here


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 15, 2011, 08:21:39 PM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.615[/url]

major troll and spammer. read until last page :srs:
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg637687#msg637687[/url]
I can't report this post :srs:

I get a database error.


this two, i cant report either


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on August 15, 2011, 08:33:14 PM
I agree with everyone else here.  TBM is causing nothing but trouble.  He's a spammer, a troll and a general annoyance.  Upping his warning to a moderation, or even muting him outright, would make everyone's experience here that much more enjoyable.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 15, 2011, 08:33:20 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg637744#msg637744
Please. Can SOMEONE do something about him?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: TBM on August 15, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
I hear your calling me names?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on August 15, 2011, 09:19:04 PM
I hear your calling me names?

If you consider "spammer, troll, general annoyance, etc." to be names, then yes we are calling you names.  Of course, I'd consider our actions to be more along the lines of "stating facts" rather than "calling names" and something tells me that the mods will agree.

Now if only they'd show up...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 15, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
If you consider "spammer, troll, general annoyance, etc." to be names, then yes we are calling you names.  Of course, I'd consider our actions to be more along the lines of "stating facts" rather than "calling names" and something tells me that the mods will agree.

Now if only they'd show up...

wonder where they are, maybe sleeping? its almost midnight where i live...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 15, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
wonder where they are, maybe sleeping? its almost midnight where i live...
me too

they warned me for flaming just one time while TBM dont getting banned for doing this like in PMs /other threads (while he is already warned)

i was only flaming cuz of he was like this in my PMs/other threads


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 15, 2011, 10:41:04 PM
I'm staying out of it because if I stepped in, I'd at least moderate everyone involved.

Yeah, TBM is bad. But mariodk, you and KTH constantly flaming him are seriously starting to cross the line.

Everyone involved in this mess needs to just sit back, calm down, and be quiet for a while.

TBM's already lost his PMing privilege, and he was warned earlier today. As I mentioned above, I'd have gone straight to Moderated; but someone else got to him first, and I've said before that we don't "chain" moderations, so Warned is where he'll stay unless he breaks another rule.  All of his posts that you linked to are gone; he must have deleted them himself, since I don't see a record of any of us doing it.

If he does something again, let us know and we'll deal with him.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 16, 2011, 01:13:49 AM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg638054#msg638054

Wow, does this guy not know what he's up against? :srs:

And in case he deletes that, i have a screenshot of it:
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/wth.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 16, 2011, 01:16:00 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg638054#msg638054[/url]

Wow, does this guy not know what he&#039;s up against? :srs:

And in case he deletes that, i have a screenshot of it:
([url]http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/wth.png[/url])

Just ignore him, if he does or say something like that, he will end up being muted...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on August 16, 2011, 03:54:23 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg638054#msg638054[/url]

Wow, does this guy not know what he's up against? :srs:

And in case he deletes that, i have a screenshot of it:
([url]http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/wth.png[/url])


You don't mess with Vyse.

I'd actually prefer if he just did it already. A simple click of a button and he's moderated.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: TBM on August 16, 2011, 04:25:23 AM
I'm staying out of it because if I stepped in, I'd at least moderate everyone involved. Yeah, TBM is bad. But mariodk, you and KTH constantly flaming him are seriously starting to cross the line. Everyone involved in this mess needs to just sit back, calm down, and be quiet for a while. TBM's already lost his PMing privilege, and he was warned earlier today. As I mentioned above, I'd have gone straight to Moderated; but someone else got to him first, and I've said before that we don't "chain" moderations, so Warned is where he'll stay unless he breaks another rule.  All of his posts that you linked to are gone; he must have deleted them himself, since I don't see a record of any of us doing it. If he does something again, let us know and we'll deal with him.
or will you deal with me? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnban.gif) Yeah. I will.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d131/ChronoExplosion/th_sonicban.png) (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d131/ChronoExplosion/sonicban.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 16, 2011, 05:05:26 AM
I'd skip over the next 2 stages personally..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on August 16, 2011, 06:09:17 AM
Um... TBM? You really are trying to get moderated, or muted, aren't you? Spamming emoticons is considered disruptive behavior...

I'd suggest you tone down how you act here, or you might find yourself banned one day...

Just thought I would give a fair warning to you.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 16, 2011, 08:23:13 AM
Yeah, TBM is bad. But mariodk, you and KTH constantly flaming him are seriously starting to cross the line.

We never flamming, we just said to TBM to stop to troll the thread of SmashClash.
He ask everytime the same request, he laughed at the others and he doesn't stop that.

I ask to ignore TBM and continue the discussion of SmashClash's project only.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on August 16, 2011, 08:47:36 AM
i'll just jump in here and say that TBM is just a bored person, who maybe doesnt even have brawl... but found a forum where heisnt banned yet and thought... hey, why not? lets see how long it takes on this one...

not that ive seen him on other forums, just a guess...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 08:52:27 AM
We never flamming, we just said to TBM to stop to troll the thread of SmashClash.
He ask everytime the same request, he laughed at the others and he doesn't stop that.

I ask to ignore TBM and continue the discussion of SmashClash's project only.

this, we never flammed him, we kept telling him to leave or stay quiet, and he kept repeating what we wrote, then we came here and blahblah


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 16, 2011, 09:10:20 AM
srs business :srs:

Just why the heck is he doing all of that? He wants to get moderated or banned?

If I were SC I would lock the thread for a while, until people calm down. :P
But it's his choice.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 09:11:52 AM
srs business :srs:

Just why the heck is he doing all of that? He wants to get moderated or banned?

i bet banned, maybe he doesnt care becoz of his other account


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 16, 2011, 09:12:55 AM
i bet banned, maybe he doesnt care becoz of his other account

Sanctions apply to all accounts.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 09:14:34 AM
Sanctions apply to all accounts.

i know that, but maybe he doesnt


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 09:37:35 AM
maybe IP address banned
so he can´t just make a new account on that PC he using
if he get banned


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on August 16, 2011, 09:40:25 AM
The guy was "spared" and only got warned... after that he's kept on trolling/spamming, can't any other staff member... I dunno, do their job and either get him to the next warning level or even temporarily mute him?

 r)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
maybe IP address banned
so he can´t just make a new account on that PC he using

i thought the IP was the on the internet and not on the PC...

but the thing is, he will be banned :P

The guy was "spared" and only got warned... after that he's kept on trolling/spamming, can't any other staff member... I dunno, do their job and either get him to the next warning level or even temporarily mute him?

 r)

i was the one who reported him, he posted all in caps, which is against the rules, and counts as disruptive behaviour


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 16, 2011, 09:48:47 AM
i thought the IP was the on the internet and not on the PC...
Banning his IP will make sure he'll never be able to go to these forums on that IP. Smartest would be to ban the entire range so he can't just switch IP's and come back.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 09:49:12 AM
The guy was "spared" and only got warned... after that he's kept on trolling/spamming, can't any other staff member... I dunno, do their job and either get him to the next warning level or even temporarily mute him? r)
as i said many times he is even more Annoying then these small kids in world of warcraft(a online game with like 12milo. players) (and thats really hard to be)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 16, 2011, 09:55:12 AM
Banning his IP will make sure he'll never be able to go to these forums on that IP. Smartest would be to ban the entire range so he can't just switch IP's and come back.

Couldn't that ban people who had nothing to do with it?
Or avoid some people to register because of it?

I don't know much about IPs, so sorry if what I'm asking sounds dumb :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 16, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Couldn't that ban people who had nothing to do with it?
Or avoid some people to register because of it?
Depends on what range, if he has IP: 84.56.243.12
Then i could ban the range at 84.56.243.* (The * represents the range 1 -255 on the last part)

That way only his range would be blocked, not anyone else's


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 16, 2011, 10:31:55 AM
I'd actually prefer if he just did it already. A simple click of a button and he's moderated.
Hey, guess who has work all day and wasn't around at 5 am to deal with this? Me.

But who was around? You. "Simple click of a button" indeed.



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 11:09:29 AM
just got one thing to say:
Finaly it happen
thanks alot
now 50% less spam on KC-MM for now (until next one)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nanobuds on August 16, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
thank you mods :)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 16, 2011, 12:04:10 PM
or will you deal with me? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:
([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnban.gif[/url]) Yeah. I will.

Owned.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 16, 2011, 12:07:13 PM
Too bad it wasn't Vish.
I'd love to see the Bandouken in action.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 12:09:42 PM
i once saw the warndouken, but i want to see the bandouken


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
i once saw the warndouken, but i want to see the bandouken
he did warndouken to TBM but yeah i wanted to see bandouken too :D

anyway a banned TBM made my day :D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 12:20:30 PM
i still dont see TBM in the banned people list


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 16, 2011, 12:22:26 PM
i still dont see TBM in the banned people list
He'll be up there eventually.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 12:22:59 PM
of course he will


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 16, 2011, 12:23:22 PM
i still dont see TBM in the banned people list

He's already banned, though.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on August 16, 2011, 12:33:47 PM
Oh my I haven't seen someone get fully banned from the forum in, well, forever.  Literally this is the first time o_o


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 16, 2011, 12:53:04 PM
Double account possibility?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=14456


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 12:54:09 PM
Double account possibility? [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=14456[/url]
i also think it (it is TBM)
asking like TBM(with asking then Gotenks is done) on his first post on that thread he just spammed but dont be so sure (yet)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on August 16, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
Oh my I haven't seen someone get fully banned from the forum in, well, forever.  Literally this is the first time o_o

^This. I've been here for 1 1/2 years and this is my first time witnessing a ban.


TheBeastMan (TBM)

Never knew him, that's good. I'm sure there's going to be a comic about TBM getting banned, maybe revealing a new sanction attack, maybe?

We should stop cluttering the thread about TBM. He's gone, no need to talk about it anymore. Let's just get back to normal cyber life.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on August 16, 2011, 01:17:40 PM
Double account possibility?

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=14456[/url]


Now, now.  Let's not jump to conclusions.  He hasn't anything yet to either deserve our scorn or make us suspect that he's TBM.  For all we know, he could just be a new user that happened to join at the wrong time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 01:21:32 PM
Now, now.  Let's not jump to conclusions.  He hasn't anything yet to either deserve our scorn or make us suspect that he's TBM.  For all we know, he could just be a new user that happened to join at the wrong time.
and ask the 100% same questing as TBM did (or more spammed it) as first poster on 100% same thread?

i say check his Ip address


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on August 16, 2011, 01:25:16 PM
and ask the 100% same questing as TBM did (or more spammed it) as first poster on 100% same thread?

i say check his Ip address

Hey, hasn't spammed the question yet, so I say we give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  If he actually is TBM, we can let the mods deal with him, but for now we have no proof that he's TBM.

I say that he's innocent until proven guilty, you know?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 16, 2011, 01:31:11 PM
i say check his Ip address
I second this, it's only a few clicks anyway. What is there to lose?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on August 16, 2011, 01:36:02 PM
and ask the 100% same questing as TBM did (or more spammed it) as first poster on 100% same thread?

i say check his Ip address

Noobs will be Noobs. They will always have the same question.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 01:37:48 PM
Noobs will be Noobs. They will always have the same question.
i know but i still say check his IP address

noobs normaly dont know what export vertex is and he also knew KTH was going to Export the vertex that is yet a other reason for i belive TBM made a other account

i got proof now:
Will you stop that? oh and btw, i ONLY got banned from the forums not the whole site Anyways, KTH now that you finished your Young Link (as i only know at this point) now you'll start exporting Gotenks right??

how can a new guy know TBM get banned? and sound like him


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on August 16, 2011, 01:53:55 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg638671#msg638671 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19096.msg638671#msg638671)
My bad, guys.  I take back everything I said. :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 16, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
now, i guess its time to IP ban him?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 16, 2011, 01:57:21 PM
i got some skills for track noobs from World of Warcraft and i dont even know the Ip address to see this is the same person i can just use something called a brain :D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on August 16, 2011, 03:16:24 PM
i got some skills for track noobs from World of Warcraft and i dont even know the Ip address to see this is the same person i can just use something called a brain :D

Okay, we get it. You're a skilled noob tracker on WoW and you have a brain. Congratulations.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 16, 2011, 04:41:27 PM
Oh my I haven't seen someone get fully banned from the forum in, well, forever.  Literally this is the first time o_o

Mmmh ... permaban-wise, we already had some pretty famous cases, actually.
Milkaholik, mister "I'm joining SS, so I'll screw up your boards before leaving".
MyKewl and his master schemes of trying to frame his best buddy.
OnagaRyu for ... something private and pretty bad, and overall social inability.
Polaris for ... uh ... I'm still not sure about this one. I think it was a social inability and trolling ? -_o

We've actually got a whopping 22 pages of bans. Most of them being adbots and hacking attempts against the boards, though. :P


i got some skills for track noobs from World of Warcraft and i dont even know the Ip address to see this is the same person i can just use something called a brain :D

Yes, we get it. TBM is your nemesis, and you're very skilled at tracking WoW newbies multi-accounting. I'm pretty sure you aren't the only one able to use your brain around here. >_>

Just saying, but thank goodness he's as dumb as a teapot and gave himself up. Cause the IP were different. Similar, but different and not really in the same range.

now, i guess its time to IP ban him?

The two IPs have been banned. However, I'll keep manually checking the close ranges of those IPs for a bit, in case he rotates it once more.

Also, this is so full of win, it made me laugh ut loud in my bed. xD
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg638189#msg638189


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 16, 2011, 04:47:09 PM
Also, this is so full of win, it made me laugh ut loud in my bed. xD
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg638189#msg638189[/url]


This Guy... finally he is banned! i see he just got here for trolling the members >_<
Also Miacis LOL At that XD
And he got another account called "Mayor Monogram"

EDIT: I think this dosen't go here but... it like a report....
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30717.0


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 16, 2011, 04:53:22 PM
EDIT: I think this dosen't go here but... it like a report....
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30717.0[/url]

Ah yes, it's a glitch in the Matrix. It tends to happen when there's Neo running around, dodging bullets, and fighting hundreds of Misters Smith in slow-mo, on top of buildings.
I'll just bomb the thing.

(And doom humanity to robot slavery. :P)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 16, 2011, 04:53:54 PM
Also, this is so full of win, it made me laugh ut loud in my bed. xD
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg638189#msg638189[/url]

Thats the first time i seen a visible Banned, i love how Vish and Vyse now have those for giving a Warning, Modrated, Muted, and Banned.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 16, 2011, 05:24:47 PM
OF my life on KC MM, i never see Banned too.

lol

Muted? What is that?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 16, 2011, 05:26:07 PM
Muted? What is that?
Can't post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 16, 2011, 05:29:47 PM
OF my life on KC MM, i never see Banned too.

lol
^ This
I Never Seen Someone Banned.... No Wait... I Remember seen Banned, stickman
I Don't Know why but... don't tell meh why..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 16, 2011, 05:35:19 PM
^ This
I Never Seen Someone Banned.... No Wait... I Remember seen Banned, stickman
I Don't Know why but... don't tell meh why..
That was a temporary ban. And a little problem that was private to the admin team, indeed (unless someone already talked about it ?).
Nothing big though. He's still acknowledged as one of the best admins we've had. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 16, 2011, 05:48:50 PM
That was a temporary ban. And a little problem that was private to the admin team

Oh God... now everybody knows it... Sorry...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 16, 2011, 05:54:35 PM
Oh God... now everybody knows it... Sorry...
???
Hey, no biggie. Anyone could see that ban. o.o
If we wanted to keep everyone's sanctions private, we'd have made the sanctions invisible.

Only the actual reason is being kept private (I think ?) and even then, it was nothing that terrible anyway.

Bt I think we should change subjects now. We're not really going anywhere with this, are we ? :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 16, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
???
Hey, no biggie. Anyone could see that ban. o.o
If we wanted to keep everyone's sanctions private, we'd have made the sanctions invisible.

Only the actual reason is being kept private (I think ?) and even though, it was nothing that terrible.

Whew... Hehehehehe Ok :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on August 16, 2011, 06:45:28 PM
Kay, plain and simple.

Some rule needs to be made about bringing up old arguments. Like necro-posting. But with arguments.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 16, 2011, 06:53:55 PM
Kay, plain and simple.

Some rule needs to be made about bringing up old arguments. Like necro-posting. But with arguments.

That wouldn't work =P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on August 16, 2011, 08:06:37 PM
Thats the first time i seen a visible Banned, i love how Vish and Vyse now have those for giving a Warning, Modrated, Muted, and Banned.


I can't give visible "Banned"s though. (http://i55.tinypic.com/2db5461.jpg)

Only if you check the person's profile lol.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on August 16, 2011, 08:27:55 PM

Mods cant' give the last status on the warn system

Idk why, but I've been saying it for a while.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on August 16, 2011, 08:29:03 PM
Mmmh ... permaban-wise, we already had some pretty famous cases, actually.
MyKewl and his master schemes of trying to frame his best buddy.
OnagaRyu for ... something private and pretty bad, and overall social inability.
Polaris for ... uh ... I'm still not sure about this one. I think it was a social inability and trolling ? -_o

Oh, I was here for those. It just was before the Sanctions were made.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 16, 2011, 08:41:15 PM
omg the "Sonic BAN" got me laughing hard XD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Mansta8 on August 16, 2011, 09:41:36 PM
This site officially has the best moderation system ever now.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:43 PM
Do the Vyse and Vish pictures show up automatically now? Nothing like adding insult to injury haha. I like it.



That was a temporary ban. And a little problem that was private to the admin team, indeed (unless someone already talked about it ?).
I didn't really tell anyone but it wasn't a secret either. Idk if the affected person(s) talked about it, but it is fine with me either way. To tell or not to tell that is the question doesn't matter to me.

Nothing big though. He's still acknowledged as one of the best admins we've had. :P
Don't lie ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on August 16, 2011, 10:40:02 PM
Do the Vyse and Vish pictures show up automatically now? Nothing like adding insult to injury haha. I like it.

Nope. I add mine in. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 17, 2011, 02:02:13 AM
And Vyse edited TBM's post after banning him to add the Sonic Ban picture. =P

Don't lie ;)
1) If you check the latest discussions about admins where your name was quoted (in the public boards I mean), you'll see that I'm not lying.
2) It's not like we've had a ton of admins doing admin things anyway. So you're still "one of the best". :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on August 17, 2011, 03:53:40 AM
And Vyse edited TBM's post after banning him to add the Sonic Ban picture. =P
1) If you check the latest discussions about admins where your name was quoted (in the public boards I mean), you'll see that I'm not lying.
2) It's not like we've had a ton of admins doing admin things anyway. So you're still "one of the best". :P

A certain someone set the bar really low too. xD



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on August 17, 2011, 10:07:34 AM
I didn't really tell anyone but it wasn't a secret either. Idk if the affected person(s) talked about it, but it is fine with me either way. To tell or not to tell that is the question doesn't matter to me.
I didn't, I only made subtle jokes about the probability.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 17, 2011, 10:54:40 AM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=14476

Bot.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 17, 2011, 11:55:50 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=14476[/url]

Bot.
BANDOUKEN!

Gotta love Vish for that xD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 17, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=14476[/url]

Bot.


Banned! LOL So that is TBM?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on August 17, 2011, 12:35:48 PM
You guys really need a bot filter of some sort...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 17, 2011, 12:37:04 PM
Banned! LOL So that is TBM?
i dont think
look in sign. for link something only a bot will do

if it was TBM he will just instant post in Smashclash thread for Gotenks


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on August 17, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
You guys really need a bot filter of some sort...
There is one, it has a few prevention measures, go try to register.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Thany on August 17, 2011, 07:56:25 PM
Erm...Heya.

I was having an issue when trying to PM another member on the site. There seems to be a complication of sorts with their username it seems. When they had their name as "D." (quotation marks being part of the name) after I clicked send, it said that the user didn't exist/wasn't in the database.

Afterwards, they changed their name to Double "D.", and I re-tried my PM, but then it said that the person was two seperate people, I think it said Double""" was not in the database, as well as "D." again.

Is this something that can be easily resolved? I have no other way of contacting this individual. ;___;


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 17, 2011, 08:21:59 PM
Erm...Heya.

I was having an issue when trying to PM another member on the site. There seems to be a complication of sorts with their username it seems. When they had their name as "D." (quotation marks being part of the name) after I clicked send, it said that the user didn't exist/wasn't in the database.

Afterwards, they changed their name to Double "D.", and I re-tried my PM, but then it said that the person was two seperate people, I think it said Double""" was not in the database, as well as "D." again.

Is this something that can be easily resolved? I have no other way of contacting this individual. ;___;


(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 17, 2011, 09:26:10 PM
I understand that a lot of people get offended by curse words, so there was this censorship, alright got it.

Now I see way too many people say "God Damnit" and to be honest, it offends me.

That word should be censored, or just not allowed.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on August 17, 2011, 10:27:44 PM
I would like to ask, what's the criteria about action taken towards reported posts?
With this I mean, how do you act when you receive reports? Check the thread to see the context? Eradicate only what is against the rules according to the discretion of the moderator?
 
And I also wonder... do you have a lot of reported posts to look for and therefore your action towards them is slow?

I'm asking because of this thread: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30128.0

As soon as it started to derail into spamming/trolling/flaming, I reported the posts made there.
I suspected my reports didn't work, so reported some posts again... but nothing was made until today, like 10 days later...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 17, 2011, 10:37:07 PM
I understand that a lot of people get offended by curse words, so there was this censorship, alright got it.

Now I see way too many people say "God Damnit" and to be honest, it offends me.

That word should be censored, or just not allowed.
Honestly I found that ratehr odd from you. But I'm not poking fun. I'll admit, I'm very against the usage of GD also. I personally don't mind the rest but I find Gd extreamly offensive.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on August 18, 2011, 01:15:11 AM
I understand that a lot of people get offended by curse words, so there was this censorship, alright got it.

Now I see way too many people say "God Damnit" and to be honest, it offends me.

That word should be censored, or just not allowed.

Honestly I found that ratehr odd from you. But I'm not poking fun. I'll admit, I'm very against the usage of GD also. I personally don't mind the rest but I find Gd extreamly offensive.


Added to the censors.

I would like to ask, what's the criteria about action taken towards reported posts?
With this I mean, how do you act when you receive reports? Check the thread to see the context? Eradicate only what is against the rules according to the discretion of the moderator?


I check the thread, see if it's against the rules then take care of it. But if I don't know what to do in a situation, then I try to let other mods/admins who know how to handle it take care of it.

And I also wonder... do you have a lot of reported posts to look for and therefore your action towards them is slow?


Not all the time. It depends.

I'm asking because of this thread: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30128.0[/url]

As soon as it started to derail into spamming/trolling/flaming, I reported the posts made there.
I suspected my reports didn't work, so reported some posts again... but nothing was made until today, like 10 days later...


The reports were seen, though I think we weren't sure what to do about it. There were two more reports on the thread today, and I think Oizen took care of it on his own discretion and warned the people/locked the thread.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 18, 2011, 01:51:54 AM
Added to the censors.

Thanks Vish! ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 18, 2011, 03:05:49 AM
Erm...Heya.

I was having an issue when trying to PM another member on the site. There seems to be a complication of sorts with their username it seems. When they had their name as "D." (quotation marks being part of the name) after I clicked send, it said that the user didn't exist/wasn't in the database.

Afterwards, they changed their name to Double "D.", and I re-tried my PM, but then it said that the person was two seperate people, I think it said Double""" was not in the database, as well as "D." again.

Is this something that can be easily resolved? I have no other way of contacting this individual. ;___;

Oh hey, Thany, long time no see. :)

Do you have a link to that person's profile ? I can't find him in the database.

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With this I mean, how do you act when you receive reports? Check the thread to see the context? Eradicate only what is against the rules according to the discretion of the moderator?

Pretty much. I personnally check the thread, try to understand what happenned, then deliver a sanction if need be. Or just fix the problem directly with an edit/delete/lock in some specific cases.

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And I also wonder... do you have a lot of reported posts to look for and therefore your action towards them is slow?

It depends ... some days, there are 2-3 reports a day. Sometimes, there's a dozen.
About the slowness, do think it's a sub-board to check. Sometimes, mods aren't necessarily checking it and doing their stuff elsewhere. Sometimes, mods don't really know what to do with a report and either wait for someone else to take care of it, or ask a question in the thread to try and clarify the problem with the rest of the teams.
And with time zones and all that crap, it's slowing down the process a bit, I guess.

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I'm asking because of this thread: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30128.0[/url]

As soon as it started to derail into spamming/trolling/flaming, I reported the posts made there.
I suspected my reports didn't work, so reported some posts again... but nothing was made until today, like 10 days later...

Yeah, we didn't really know what to do with that thread, really. ._.
I mean, the requester hasn't really done anything but spam his own thread, while users were there to flame his request. Also, someone had just decided to take the request, so locking it would have been a bad idea.
So yeah, we were so startled by how dumb that was, we had to wait for further developments to take action. (And Oizen took the initiative there.) And by "further developments", I mean when the requester started arguing with and insulting his own multi-account. .-.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 18, 2011, 04:41:35 AM
I mean when the requester started arguing with and insulting his own multi-account. .-.
if I remember correctly, isn't that sanctions for a ban?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 18, 2011, 04:56:02 AM
if I remember correctly, isn't that sanctions for a ban?
That's been changed in the latest rules update, multi-accounts is allowed now..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 18, 2011, 05:09:49 AM
That's been changed in the latest rules update, multi-accounts is allowed now..
Uh huh... that's kinda... odd... thing to accept.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 18, 2011, 05:38:09 AM
Uh huh... that's kinda... odd... thing to accept.
My idea exactly.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 18, 2011, 05:49:32 AM
I agree too.

But I don't really have much reasons to complain about that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on August 18, 2011, 06:17:02 AM
I mean when the requester started arguing with and insulting his own multi-account. .-.

This was quite disturbing to see actually.

I feel like we should check this guy into a mental hospital. I mean, making an alt is one thing, but flaming yourself?



Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 18, 2011, 06:18:23 AM
Flaming yourself = epic fail  :>.>palm:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 18, 2011, 06:45:10 AM
I feel like we should check this guy into a mental hospital. I mean, making an alt is one thing, but flaming yourself?
It is called attention whoring. :)

Also, don't ask me about the multi-accounts thing. I've always been used to not letting members have multiple accounts, and that's why I had forbidden it in the first place.
Although I'm also okay with the regulation we have ight now.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Thany on August 18, 2011, 10:00:02 AM
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Oh hey, Thany, long time no see. Smiley

Do you have a link to that person's profile ? I can't find him in the database.

Hiya, Miacis :3

I have the link here;
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1793 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1793)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 18, 2011, 10:54:22 AM
I cannot fathom why you guys are making any kind of fuss about multiple accounts.

If it's really that big a deal, we can ban them again, but I just don't get it.

The only legitimate objection I've seen so far is poll stuffing, and if that really bothers you... I guess you and I have different perspectives on things.

Moderation evasion is a concern, but I have a feeling that would happen regardless of a rule forbidding it. A person who broke one rule isn't going to have many qualms about breaking another.

Like I said, if popular opinion wants to ban them, we can. But I want to see some reasons.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 18, 2011, 12:38:06 PM
Hiya, Miacis :3

I have the link here;
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1793[/url] ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1793[/url])

There we go.

I took the liberty to remove the inverted commas from his username, and sent a private message to him, indicating my reasons in doing so. You should be able to contact him by now. :3

See you later. ^^


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 18, 2011, 02:43:56 PM
My view on multiple accounts.

What's the point of even having more than one? I've seen people complaining in popular vertex threads about people making multiple accounts to vote more than once. You vote, and then you never see the account again. Also, look at Beastman. He had 2 accounts, "TheBeastman" and the recently banned "TBM." He really had no reason to upload his stuff to BrawlVault on 2 seperate accounts. Why not just keep one account and not 2? I see no real reason to have more than one account...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on August 18, 2011, 02:48:56 PM
My view on multiple accounts.

What's the point of even having more than one? I've seen people complaining in popular vertex threads about people making multiple accounts to vote more than once. You vote, and then you never see the account again. Also, look at Beastman. He had 2 accounts, "TheBeastman" and the recently banned "TBM." He really had no reason to upload his stuff to BrawlVault on 2 seperate accounts. Why not just keep one account and not 2? I see no real reason to have more than one account...
There's no reason to not to have them, either. The ONLY thing that I see as negative are Vertexing Polls, other than that, nothing else.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 18, 2011, 02:51:04 PM
There's no reason to not to have them, either. The ONLY thing that I see as negative are Vertexing Polls, other than that, nothing else.
Try this:

A guy has 2 accounts, 1 used to "flame" someone while the other is used by him to "help" the victim being "flamed". Using 2 accounts can earn you "trust" with victims and thus create false friendships.. I see more problems coming from multi-accounts then having joy from them. In my opinion it's stupid to have 2 or more accounts on here.

And allowing it to happen is even more stupid since you create an opportunity for them to make it happen legally.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 18, 2011, 02:56:15 PM
Try this:

A guy has 2 accounts, 1 used to "flame" someone while the other is used by him to "help" the victim being "flamed". Using 2 accounts can earn you "trust" with victims and thus create false friendships.. I see more problems coming from multi-accounts then having joy from them. In my opinion it's stupid to have 2 or more accounts on here.

And allowing it to happen is even more stupid since you create an opportunity for them to make it happen legally.
Weird example, but thanks for backing me up.

@Wolfric
Why do you even WANT to have multiple accounts (besides voting more than once in a thread)? I would never make another account since I am perfectly fine with mine.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 18, 2011, 03:02:22 PM

@Wolfric
Why do you even WANT to have multiple accounts (besides voting more than once in a thread)? I would never make another account since I am perfectly fine with mine.

^This is TRUE
why in the earth somebody would like to have another accout? like wolfric said:  I am perfectly fine with mine.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 18, 2011, 03:35:22 PM
So far I've gotten "I don't want one, so no one should be allowed to have one" (because that's a logical conclusion?), poll stuffing (which I already mentioned), and using them to manipulate people -- and while that's an interesting, if implausible, drawback, I think that anyone clever enough to pull that off would be clever enough to gain a person's trust through other means.

I'm not convinced.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on August 18, 2011, 04:21:12 PM
You should make a poll to see exactly who does and does not want multiple accounts. Whichever wins is the rule, and everyone just has to suck it up whether or not they like the outcome. Democracy, no?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on August 18, 2011, 04:22:32 PM
You should make a poll to see exactly who does and does not want multiple accounts. Whichever wins is the rule, and everyone just has to suck it up whether or not they like the outcome. Democracy, no?
That sounds like the best way to take care of this, sometimes one should listen to the will of the people... Or something like that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on August 18, 2011, 04:48:47 PM
You should make a poll to see exactly who does and does not want multiple accounts. Whichever wins is the rule, and everyone just has to suck it up whether or not they like the outcome. Democracy, no?

but doesnt that means that people with more than one account will vote and blahblah?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on August 18, 2011, 04:56:13 PM
but doesnt that means that people with more than one account will vote and blahblah?

And that's the flaw in the whole system, isn't it?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 18, 2011, 05:05:59 PM
On the subject of "poll Stuffing", there is a plug in that prevents that. If you want, we could test that on KcMm-E.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 18, 2011, 05:09:35 PM
I'm not convinced.
Let's try it this way ; it's revolving around the problem of identity. When I talk to someone, I adapt to the person I'm talking to. Like everyone else on this planet.
When I talk to a newbie, I give detailed explanations about stuff, keeping a rather formal tone, in most cases. When I talk to a vet, I'm more casual and get to the point quickly.
When I talk to a friend, I'll probably say something that I wouldn't have said to someone else.

That's why identity is important. There are some people that I highly dislike on the boards. And it wouldn't be really hard for any of them to try and "befriend" me like Pride described, for the sole goal, of say, knowing what I hate about them, then use it against me later on.
I don't know (and I don't care) if you'd find me dumb for "falling for that", the fact is that alot of people would get fooled pretty easily. And it would cause drama, conflicts, etc ... And we don't want that.

On a more pedestrian tone, multi-accounts sockpuppets can also be used to build up hype. Whether it is in Request topics, Vertex Topics, or any topic, really.
Example : It might look like 10 people are extremely dissatisfied by the work of X Admin, want his demotion, and decided to cause a big ruckus about it when in fact there's only one guy who wants to take him down ...

I am against the very concept of multi-accounts for the simple reason that it gives users more tools to create drama, willingly or not.
Now, that doesn't mean I'm firmly opposed to the current rule. Reason is : well, we never had any problem with that, and our community doesn't seem to be very eager to cause trouble in general. So whether we allow it or not is not really a big deal, IMO.
(If we were, like, a 100% Furry community, I can assure you that the multi-accounts would have been forbidden just to avoid the boards from exploding of drama overdose. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 18, 2011, 05:15:23 PM
If they make a poll about "account's" the people with more then one account will vote for the "yes" option to allow more then one account.

What i think about more then one account, it is wrong for one reason, once a person banned they will come back on a new account and pull the same crap again, then once that account is banned, they will just come back and cause more trouble.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 18, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Pride and Miacis kinda have a point there. I can actually picture that happening and it'd lead to big drama.

I agree with the increased possibilities of drama. That would be the reason if I were to create an alt. That and be treated nicer.

And SJS's suggestion was such a smooth trolling lol


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on August 18, 2011, 06:23:18 PM
I was going to make a new account, about a week ago, but that was only because I couldn't sign in because I forgot my password,(kinda a silly reason really) So that is the only reason why I think people should be making extra accounts.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on August 18, 2011, 06:32:54 PM
I was going to make a new account, about a week ago, but that was only because I couldn't sign in because I forgot my password,(kinda a silly reason really) So that is the only reason why I think people should be making extra accounts.
You know you can ask for a password reminder...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 18, 2011, 08:19:52 PM
I said in my first post on the matter that if popular opinion wanted to ban it, we could. I just don't get it.

None of this stuff you guys are talking about seems important to me. Internet drama? Stuffing request polls, when I've always believed that hackers should be aiming to please themselves instead of the masses and so think the core concept of request polls is flawed?

Again, like I said in my first post: I guess I just have a different perspective.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 18, 2011, 08:23:30 PM
Yeah there is nothing anyone can say to get through that thick head of yours.

I think it's time to end this pointless discussion.

No matter what's said "it's not good enough" or "you don't relate to it" or you simply just don't give a [censored] about it, and just want to argue about something.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 18, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
I don't know where you're getting that from, since I'm pretty sure I've said in every post on the subject (and here it comes again) that if popular opinion wants to ban alternate accounts, we can. But I don't understand why.

I'm not opposing it or trying to argue (I'm not even offering counterpoints, only reading and taking it in); I am seriously just trying to understand.

In fact, comparing our posts, it looks a lot more like you want to argue than I do, given choice phrases like "thick head."


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 18, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
Like I said, I do know of a SMF plug in that prevents multiple accounts from voting on a Poll. If you would like to test it out, leme know I'll stuff it into KcMm-e's forum and we can give it a whirl.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 18, 2011, 08:35:00 PM
I'm not all that worried about it. Thanks, though. Another mod might take you up on it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on August 18, 2011, 08:39:02 PM
I really don't see what's the big deal with double accounts either, I mean, why make one? And why prevent to make one? Is it really worth the trouble? W/e.

Whichever is picked, I don't mind. XD

Question: Will this be fixed? Now and then, when a post is quoted, it adds stuff like this:

You'll

When it was supposed to be "You'll".


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 18, 2011, 08:40:25 PM
I really don't see what's the big deal with double accounts either, I mean, why make one? And why prevent to make one? Is it really worth the trouble? W/e.

Whichever is picked, I don't mind. XD

Question: Will this be fixed? Now and then, when a post is quoted, it adds stuff like this:

You'll

When it was supposed to be "You'll".
It was fixed. it still does it when you quote from a reply...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on August 18, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
It was fixed. it still does it when you quote from a reply...
...Wait, it didn't show the error.

Anyways, yeah, it shows when the post is seen in a quote sometimes, it seems. ._.

&#039; < This is what appears where the " ' " is supposed to be in quotes.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on August 18, 2011, 08:52:46 PM
...Wait, it didn't show the error.

Anyways, yeah, it shows when the post is seen in a quote sometimes, it seems. ._.

' < This is what appears where the " ' " is supposed to be in quotes.
Indeed, this happens a lot, I just took a quote from this thread...
Like I said, I do know of a SMF plug in that prevents multiple accounts from voting on a Poll. If you would like to test it out, leme know I&#039;ll stuff it into KcMm-e&#039;s forum and we can give it a whirl.
See? It's messing up.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 18, 2011, 08:57:30 PM
In fact, comparing our posts, it looks a lot more like you want to argue than I do, given choice phrases like "thick head."

There you go trying to flip tables, nice one.

Now if you get offended by such words as "thick head" when I could have used other ones, due to your unneeded [censored]y attitude, then I have nothing else to say to you.

I think fake accounts shouldn't be allowed, that's just me. Now I don't give a damn enough to argue about it for pages, when everything I think or would say, has already been said by Miacis, Sorcerres, and Pride.

What I highly dislike, is that "nothing is good enough" attitude.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 18, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
"This doesn't convince me" is not the same as "this isn't good enough." I'm sorry if my not agreeing with you makes you feel inadequate in some way. That is not my intent.

I don't get why my attempt to understand "the other side's" point of view is making you angry.

And I didn't say I was offended; I just said it looked like you were trying to start an argument. I'll let your second post speak for itself on whether I was right.

Edit: Since this doesn't have anything to do with moderation, might I suggest taking this personal issue to a personal message before we start arguing about whether or not I'm arguing?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on August 18, 2011, 09:24:01 PM
Well, it's an all around bad thing to have, honestly, multi accounts have been, not only annoying for polls, I mean, for the most part... Hinder results of polls...

Further more, as some have said, it's kinda a creepy to be able to play mind games like that... Although it was probably a bad idea to even SAY that though, some may not have even gotten the idea, until possibly reading those posts...

Anyway, I'd say it's a good idea to get rid of it, since more voted for the removal of multi-accounts.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 20, 2011, 10:34:45 PM
Question:

If you want to make a topic about something there is already a topic about, but it's from quite a while ago, you should bring that topic back to life or make a new one?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Mansta8 on August 21, 2011, 03:13:55 AM
I was quoting one of my posts on the "resent posts of this user" part of the forum, and it went to another post I made instead of the one I wanted to quote. (I pressed the quote button btw.)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 21, 2011, 08:26:51 AM
I was quoting one of my posts on the "resent posts of this user" part of the forum, and it went to another post I made instead of the one I wanted to quote. (I pressed the quote button btw.)

Well, sometimes when we click to go to a post but it's nearly the end of a page, we end up going to the next page instead. It's a weird bug, but it really happens very often.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 21, 2011, 08:28:55 AM
Like br3 said, if you click a link to a post, for example, a past post, it may take you to the page after the post you're looking for :srs:

It used to work flawlessly. Now it does that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Aisuru Senka on August 21, 2011, 09:16:12 AM
In addition to what br3 and segtendo said, whenever I try and go to a post in a past page, no matter where the post is on the page, I end up at the top of the most recent page. I dunno why. :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 21, 2011, 10:04:30 AM
In addition to what br3 and segtendo said, whenever I try and go to a post in a past page, no matter where the post is on the page, I end up at the top of the most recent page. I dunno why. :srs:
I have it as well, it's really annoying when trying to find a specific post..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 21, 2011, 03:40:22 PM
I'm pretty sure I explained this problem already, but I guess I'll do it again :

This problem is only affecting large threads.

Reason : There seems to be some sort of an "illegal operation" that users do at random (with a pretty low probability), and that will push forward the pagination of pages by ONE POST.
So if the action is done once, then for the rest of the whole thread, the link to the last post of a page of that thread will link to the next page.
If the action is done twice, then the last post and the before-to-last post of a page will link to the next page, etc...

The Family thread has a crapload of posts => Statistically, the illegal operation happenned alot of times.
On said thread, it was done more than 15 times, so any link to a post will screw up, no matter the post.

Now, how to fix it : we don't know ! We have no ides what is the "illegal operation" that causes that. .-.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: GameWatching on August 22, 2011, 01:03:30 PM
so...

is anyone gonna fix the error 500 ?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 22, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
so... is anyone gonna fix the error 500 ?
How would you want to do that? It's traffic issue's..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: GameWatching on August 22, 2011, 01:15:04 PM
How would you want to do that? It's traffic issue's..

never saw that kind of traffic issues in other forums.
i had that error 500 10 times in row now !


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on August 22, 2011, 01:17:29 PM
never saw that kind of traffic issues in other forums.
i had that error 500 10 times in row now !

Stop complaining, nothing we can do about too much traffic. We're too famous for our own good. We can be grateful that Dantarion is hosting us for free with all the bandwith we're eating.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 22, 2011, 01:26:09 PM
is anyone gonna fix the error 500 ?
Sure, just give us a bunch of money to get a better server.

Or just wait until summer ends. We'll have a lot less traffic.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on August 22, 2011, 01:39:06 PM
I thought you guys got 200 bucks some time ago.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on August 22, 2011, 01:55:10 PM
I thought you guys got 200 bucks some time ago.

For a reliable (ad-free) host that could handle this much traffic? We'd run out of money faster than you'd think.

And the money Robz donated didn't go to us, it went straight to Dant. There was a possiblity of insufficient funds on the account charged for the webhosting, so he asked us for help and we set up donations.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 22, 2011, 04:53:36 PM
I thought you guys got 200 bucks some time ago.
That was an emergency to cover the costs of the bandwidth we're currently using.

$200 does not even begin to approach the amount needed for a server upgrade.



Chat leads to a Mibbit... thing now. Maybe it'll get embedded on-site one day. Maybe not.



If you have an issue with a PM, you need to report it, not post it here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 27, 2011, 04:44:41 PM
Yeah I'd like to know why the user who replied to the necropost, didn't get a warning as well?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=11886.0

Usually when someone replies to a necropost stating why they reply, that causes the necroposter to keep posting. Instead of using the report button as it should be.

I've seen cases where the user who replied to the necroposter got a warning as well.

So why are we playing buddy preference here?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 27, 2011, 05:10:10 PM
Yeah I'd like to know why the user who replied to the necropost, didn't get a warning as well?

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=11886.0[/url]

Usually when someone replies to a necropost stating why they reply, that causes the necroposter to keep posting. Instead of using the report button as it should be.

I've seen cases where the user who replied to the necroposter got a warning as well.

So why are we playing buddy preference here?

Because that's how I warned people. Different person = different style.

On that note, can I suggest that the "old topic warning" be used? In topic settings (for the admins), there's a place to enter how many days before a topic is considered old, and if a user tries to post in that topic, they will get a message telling them that it is old. From there, if they continue, it's obvious that they weren't paying attention, and by all means give them a warning. This way too, it allows members to revive their personal projects topic without it being auto-locked after a set number of days.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on August 27, 2011, 05:12:18 PM
Shouldn't topics that get necro-posted be locked once the necro-poster receives a warning? Seems like a good idea.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 27, 2011, 05:13:29 PM
It was locked. I think that's just a general practice anyway.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on August 27, 2011, 05:15:42 PM
It was locked.

Yeah, several posts after the necro-post. It should have been locked right after the warning was given out.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 27, 2011, 05:25:08 PM
On that note, can I suggest that the "old topic warning" be used? In topic settings (for the admins), there's a place to enter how many days before a topic is considered old, and if a user tries to post in that topic, they will get a message telling them that it is old. From there, if they continue, it's obvious that they weren't paying attention, and by all means give them a warning. This way too, it allows members to revive their personal projects topic without it being auto-locked after a set number of days.
That warning IS already in use (and has always been, last time I checked). Heck, even admins get it. xD

Whenever you might necropost, you get his :
Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 21 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

People just AREN'T paying attention. >_>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Bush on August 27, 2011, 05:25:13 PM
I know this may be a long shot, but I think KC:MM should have a fund raiser.

Maybe get some of the top hackers around to make somthing for the person who donates the most. And little consolation prizes for people who donate anything. Something simple.

I would donate at least $5.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 27, 2011, 05:27:53 PM
@PAVGN You don't know what time the warning was issued, do you? I can safely assume that the thread was locked around 4 EST today, and the first necropost was done at 9 PM last night EST. That's about a reasonable time for the mods to get to the report, especially if people post in it instead of reporting it, like they should.

@Miacis Oh my bad. I've never gotten that (and I know why haha). My mistake. Carry on :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 27, 2011, 05:28:56 PM
Shouldn't topics that get necro-posted be locked once the necro-poster receives a warning? Seems like a good idea.
Mods/Admins aren't on ALL the time :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on August 27, 2011, 05:39:55 PM
I can safely assume that the thread was locked around 4 EST today, and the first necropost was done at 9 PM last night EST. That's about a reasonable time for the mods to get to the report

I wouldn't call that a reasonable amount of time to react, but at the same time a necro-post isn't really something that requires immediate attention. Anyway, sorry for jumping to conclusions.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 27, 2011, 05:51:04 PM
Well, as Segtendo said, mods aren't here all the time to view a necropost the second it happens. Usually the only time I saw a necropost was when it was reported, and with people trying to mini-mod instead of report it, nothing can get done for hours. But don't worry about it. You didn't know. :)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 27, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
especially if people post in it instead of reporting it, like they should.
Funny thing is : They actually posted in it AND reported the guy. .-.

People ... think a bit before posting, please ? I mean, come on, you KNOW it should be ignored, because you just reported it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 27, 2011, 05:55:12 PM
Funny thing is : They actually posted in it AND reported the guy. .-.
Well, I reported him before Vish closed the thread.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 27, 2011, 05:59:56 PM
That has to be the biggest bull[censored] excuse I've ever heard honestly. Then again, no surrpise there. This is just another favoritism [censored], and you all make it more than obvious.

I'll be sure to tell the next necroposter how much of an idiot he is, and start pointless conversations with serious face awesome face smileys, since I won't get a Warning for commenting/encouraging necroposting.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 27, 2011, 06:03:43 PM
Hey, we corrected him and the mods warned him.

It's done. Since when have they played favorites?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 27, 2011, 06:15:55 PM
Italian, could you please acknowledge the idea that we aren't perfect, do not always do our moderation work perfectly, and are even ready to apologize for it (even though I wasn't even there to deal with that in the first place) if asked calmly and politely ?
Don't you find it a bit more reasonnable than going full-steam into the "favoritism" muddy argumen" ?

I'm not sure when everyone replying to a necropost was sanctionned on the spot. I honestly don't remember. But personnally, my own feelings are that mini-modding like that doesn't (and didn't) necessitate a Warning.
Whether the mini-mod was Segtendo, Kit Ballard, stupid, PZT, or a complete newbie. Now, it's just my feelings on the subject. And you guys can do whatever you want with my feelings. :<

Thanks.

Moreover : Mini-modding never was mentionned in the rules anyway ! Only necroposting, which by definition only affects the guy who posted with a 3-weeks interval.
Soo yeah, isn't it a bit late to be complaining about a mistake from long ago ? You guys are blaming the actual rule-abiding moderation tactic ... If you guys have a problem with how stickman handled these things long ago, then adress him directly, instead of putting the blame on Vish for doing his job properly.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 27, 2011, 06:18:13 PM
Because that's how I warned people. Different person = different style.
Bull[censored], you gave me a warning when i did the same to someone else.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on August 27, 2011, 06:58:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/auf9h.png)
LEAKS! LEAKS!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 27, 2011, 07:16:32 PM
Bull[censored], you gave me a warning when i did the same to someone else.
Why are you trying to prove me wrong? I know I did that, and that's exactly what I am saying. In case you missed the context, PAVGN asked why the rest of the posters weren't warned. I said because that's the way how I do it and not the way Vish does it.

I would not change a thing if I could do it over again. As far as I am concerned, the thread was dead, it was bumped (warning) then there's off-topic discussion about how bad the necroposter is, meanwhile all the people mini-modding are still not contributing anything by doing so.

Just because we handle things differently doesn't mean that we are wrong. If Vish finds it suitable to only warn the one person, then it is up to him, and I respect his decision. If you want to take this up with me in private, I would be more than happy to talk it out with you in PM's because we are getting off-topic doing it in here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on August 27, 2011, 07:18:28 PM
[url]http://i.imgur.com/auf9h.png[/url]
LEAKS! LEAKS!


When I locked the necroposted thread, I posted that Seg and Smashclash should have reported the posts instead of posting there. Then Seg PMed me and said that he did actually report the posts.

I missed their reports, and explained that it was because I only noticed Italian's multiple reports. (in which I then warned stupid for necroposting) I didn't feel it was necessary to warn Seg or Smashclash for minimodding as Miacis said. I apologize for unintentionally "leaking" that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 27, 2011, 07:21:10 PM
Bull[censored], you gave me a warning when i did the same to someone else.


Exactly man! It was a thread I ran into a few days ago, that I saw you get warned for, for telling the user not to necropost. It's stupid and unfair, but those are the rules.

So when I see this guy do the same, I don't understand why he doesn't get the same punishment, therefore it's favoritism, which equals bull[censored].

Don't you Admins/Mods see the same issue happening over and over again? Quit it with the damn favoritism! It's more than obvious..

Italian, could you please acknowledge the idea that we aren't perfect?


I would if all of you didn't act so perfect, and apparently never wrong with anything. It's your actions that lead me to treating you as a guy that's on top of his [censored]. So when you're not, I'll be sure to post here.

([url]http://i.imgur.com/auf9h.png[/url])
LEAKS! LEAKS!


Then people wonder why I don't like them....

Some users here are a bunch of drama highschool girls, running their mouth. When someone finds out, [censored] goes down. Then the victim role comes into play.

For the record, SmashClash is my good friend, but sadly he was in the wrong thread at the wrong time. Still, both users should have been warned. It was you Segtendo that I reported, when it's more than obvious that I highly dislike you. You're always reporting me apparently, yet to my face you act like a friend. So you want to play games? Let's play!

Vish, it would be more than ironic if you get mad at someone leaking, something that you leaked. Isn't that why Hakumen and Vile got fired?

Again, favoritism.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 27, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
IS, it's a different moderator. It's not favoritism. I don't know how else to explain this to you.
I did the thread with the most warnings in it. Obviously I didn't cover many of those because more people would have been warned. Vish has always consistently interpreted the rules and made appropriate actions regarding the situation. All other times that I can think of, only the necroposter has been warned as well. If you want to do the favoritism card, take it up with me because I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who ever warned more than one person in this type of situation. Vish decided how he wanted to handle the situation, and that's the end of it.

Please, anyone, PM me if you feel I am wrong, I will talk it out with you, with a level head.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashClash on August 27, 2011, 07:30:29 PM
Wait, I can't post in a thread by necroposter in reply toward him?
For the record, I reported him first before I reported, so I assmed I was safe. W/e. >.>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 27, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
On that note, can I suggest that the "old topic warning" be used?
It is, but it appears only on the Reply page. If you use Quick Reply, you don't see it. That's just how SMF is.

Here's a bit of insight into how the moderation system works, in the interest of clearing up some... confusion.

Reporting a post creates a thread in a hidden board. About 95% of reported posts have easy yes/no answers to "did this break a rule?" In that case, generally whichever mod sees it first will do whatever he deems necessary and mark the report resolved. Since I trust the mods here, I don't even look at resolved reports when I check the board. The only time I look at them is if someone complains about the moderation.

So it's not "favoritism"; it's just that the mod who handles one necroposting report might not be the same mod to handle the next.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on August 27, 2011, 11:49:33 PM
Speaking of Necroposting...
Reported this: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2739.msg646597#msg646597

The user was already warned for necroposting in some old introduction threads, apparently he kept doing it after the warning... so... what's the criteria behind this type of situation?
Shouldn't he get to the next moderated stage for doing it again after being warned about it?





Also, since this thread is about suggestions too, I have one:

Make a set of rules or a "manual" for the staff about how to take action towards certain scenarios of rules broken by users.
E.g. "When someone necroposts warn only the necroposter and close the thread to keep other people from bumping it."


Why do I suggest this?
Because that would make things easier for you guys.

Instead of having each staff member modding as they please (which ends in complains about favoritism and other things); Or to avoid those situations in which nobody does anything because they don't know what to do, or when they simply wait for a "higher rank" to take action (as mentioned and made evident before in this thread), you would have all your "cops" follow the same code and know what to do in the situations.

That way users who break rules would be treated equally, and you wouldn't have to use the "to the moderator's discretion" excuse.  :police:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 28, 2011, 12:13:31 AM
Make a set of rules or a "manual" for the staff about how to take action towards certain scenarios of rules broken by users.
The mod team has talked about this before, and I have a half-finished draft of this very thing on my computer.

While I do think it may be useful, working on it makes me sad. Take the necroposting for example. Shouldn't it be common sense to not post in a necroposted thread? That this situation even occurs, forcing me to write a guideline on how it should be handled, kinda depresses me.

So progress is slow.

And for the record, "warning only the necroposter" is not what that guideline would say. The entire point of forbidding necroposting is to keep old, dead threads where they belong; anyone posting after the necroposter is preventing that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on August 28, 2011, 12:15:07 AM
Speaking of Necroposting...
Reported this: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2739.msg646597#msg646597[/url]

The user was already warned for necroposting in some old introduction threads, apparently he kept doing it after the warning... so... what's the criteria behind this type of situation?
Shouldn't he get to the next moderated stage for doing it again after being warned about it?


I checked his last posts. He stopped necroposting after dRage warned him. (He was warned on August 22 at 3:11 while the post you linked was posted at 2:16)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on August 28, 2011, 09:54:41 AM
While I do think it may be useful, working on it makes me sad. Take the necroposting for example. Shouldn't it be common sense to not post in a necroposted thread?
Well, I think generally nercroposters, double posters, etc are usually new to the forum and/or forums in general.  Yeah, they're still to blame for not reading the rules, but you can't expect everyone to be familiar with how a forum works.

On the topic of staff discretion, you should really all follow the same guidelines when infracting.  Otherwise it causes problems like this.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 28, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
I'm kinda wondering about the topic of Necroposting when it's about a subject that was already made. Like let's say the Sonic Generation topic was inactive for a month. then someone Necro's it with new info or asking any questions about it instead of making a brand new topic. I've seen some cases where some people reffer to using the search for a topic already made, and go post in it instead of making a new one. Would that be grounds for a sanction? Just looking at the safety levels of Necro'ing for other people's info.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 28, 2011, 12:28:19 PM
Well, I think generally nercroposters, double posters, etc are usually new to the forum and/or forums in general.  Yeah, they're still to blame for not reading the rules, but you can't expect everyone to be familiar with how a forum works.
I wasn't talking about the person who necroposts a thread; I was talking about the people who reply to it, especially the ones who post about the necropost. I'm pretty sure those people know the rules.

Would that be grounds for a sanction?
That's not one of the exceptions written into the rules, so yes, I'd say so.

If no one posts in a topic for three weeks, it's safe to say that interest in that topic has waned. If you find a dead topic about something you want to discuss, just make a new one.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 28, 2011, 01:09:12 PM
Well, I think generally nercroposters, double posters, etc are usually new to the forum and/or forums in general.  Yeah, they're still to blame for not reading the rules, but you can't expect everyone to be familiar with how a forum works.
If they put themelves in danger of necroposting, they get a big red warning saying :
Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 21 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

I think it's pretty clear and straightforward. Honestly, there's nothing more we can do for them, unless someone feels very confident and want to code a little SMF mod for us that locks topics after a certain time, while of course leaving the permission to unlock it for the author.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 28, 2011, 01:16:30 PM
If they put themelves in danger of necroposting, they get a big red warning
Not if they use Quick Reply.

We'd have to turn off QR in order to use that justification.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 29, 2011, 01:30:51 AM
Isn't there a way a thread can automatically get locked after 3 weeks have passed?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 29, 2011, 01:51:06 AM
Isn't there a way a thread can automatically get locked after 3 weeks have passed?
Yes there is.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 29, 2011, 01:58:45 AM
Sounds like a good idea to test on kcmm-e to me


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 29, 2011, 02:39:04 AM
Once again, that mod you guys are talking about (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2040) doesn't seem to offer any options to let the author of the thread unlock his own topic.
So far, you could only unlock your topic if you were the one to lock it. Sooo ... I'm not sure how this will work, or how compatibility issues will go.

But yeah sure, give it a try on KCMM-E. But we will not install a mod that will force hackers out of their own hacking threads if they don't update in 3 weeks.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 29, 2011, 02:55:03 AM
Once again, that mod you guys are talking about ([url]http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2040[/url]) doesn't seem to offer any options to let the author of the thread unlock his own topic.
So far, you could only unlock your topic if you were the one to lock it. Sooo ... I'm not sure how this will work, or how compatibility issues will go.

But yeah sure, give it a try on KCMM-E. But we will not install a mod that will force hackers out of their own hacking threads if they don't update in 3 weeks.
I can understand that yeah, it wouldn't be useful if the creator can't even unlock it.. I hope there's a way to fix that by testing it on kcmm-e :)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 29, 2011, 03:24:26 AM
Once again, that mod you guys are talking about ([url]http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2040[/url]) doesn't seem to offer any options to let the author of the thread unlock his own topic.
So far, you could only unlock your topic if you were the one to lock it. Sooo ... I'm not sure how this will work, or how compatibility issues will go.

But yeah sure, give it a try on KCMM-E. But we will not install a mod that will force hackers out of their own hacking threads if they don't update in 3 weeks.
According to that plug in, you can speccify what boards have the ability to auto-lock or not, and even how long it takes before a long will happen. I'll try it out on KcMm-E if the mods really are interested in such a system.

edit: Wait never mind. It's for smf 2.0+


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 29, 2011, 03:29:36 AM
According to that plug in, you can speccify what boards have the ability to auto-lock or not, and even how long it takes before a long will happen. I'll try it out on KcMm-E if the mods really are interested in such a system.

edit: Wait never mind. It's for smf 2.0+
Crud and KCMM runs on 1.1.11 :\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 29, 2011, 03:59:47 AM
According to that plug in, you can speccify what boards have the ability to auto-lock or not, and even how long it takes before a long will happen. I'll try it out on KcMm-E if the mods really are interested in such a system.
Problem is : most necroposts happen in boards where projects CAN get revived (like the PSA boards) so yeah, it's a bit meh ...

Quote
edit: Wait never mind. It's for smf 2.0+
That's why I mentionned compatibility issues ... >w>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 29, 2011, 04:02:12 AM
That's why I mentionned compatibility issues ... >w>
Maybe a stupid question but why isn't KCMM running on 2.0 by now?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 29, 2011, 04:37:04 AM
2.0+ has lots of issues from what I've read. 1.1.11+ has been the most stable SMF by far. Why SMF still update it along with 2.0+


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 29, 2011, 05:02:18 AM
Maybe a stupid question but why isn't KCMM running on 2.0 by now?
What Kit said. Also, I guess we could update it to better 1.1.XX versions, but do remember that we're kinda short on Tech staff. Picano is in control, but mostly busy, and other admins either have limited or no knowledge in coding and broken-stuff-fixing.

So far, what we need to do is update our database to fix alot of glitches (like for our reports, and possibly our pagination errors), and find a way to automatize some of the awards.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 29, 2011, 05:53:45 AM
I could be kind of a techy~techy for ya'll but honestly, I don't know much about php and it's system. using KcMm-E helps a ton in most cases though so we could dink with it while having this forum untouched. Also, Y U NO MSN ME?!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 29, 2011, 06:46:38 AM
Do the logs that smf generates in the db have any other purpose than to just tell what errors occurred when and what activity goes on in the vault? Stripping some of those could save space and unclog the db, at least a little bit.

I'm pretty good with php and sql. I wrote two [simple] websites using them (and slightly customized a smf 2.0 on the second site). Only if you want me back, though...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on August 29, 2011, 06:47:11 AM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2739.msg646597#msg646597


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on August 29, 2011, 06:49:34 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2739.msg646597#msg646597[/url]

Strange.
I can't report him :-\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on August 29, 2011, 06:50:45 AM
Strange.
I can't report him :-\
Neither can I.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 29, 2011, 06:53:28 AM
Useful Info regarding that post:
"Database Error
Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator."


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 29, 2011, 06:54:02 AM
Can we use the button "Report" for a topic on wrong place?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on August 29, 2011, 07:23:01 AM
Do the logs that smf generates in the db have any other purpose than to just tell what errors occurred when and what activity goes on in the vault? Stripping some of those could save space and unclog the db, at least a little bit.

I'm pretty good with php and sql. I wrote two [simple] websites using them (and slightly customized a smf 2.0 on the second site). Only if you want me back, though...


Pretty much. I clean those semi-regularly.

Brawl Vault also creates a huge log, part of which is devoted to the report management system. (And I can't stress enough how much I hate that such a bloated system was even required in the first place) Any resolved report (and non-report data) is removed semi-regularly.

As far as I can tell, the big problem we have is with the forum itself. With the amount of users / simultaneous connections, the server times out on certain requests (sometimes halfway through an operation). Miacis's guess on 'illegal operations' accumulating is, as far as I can tell, an accurate description of the problem.

The smaller problems (anything not directly dealing with our over-burdened server) should be helped by running the General Maintenance stuff in the Forum Maintenance (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=maintain) section. Some of these are likely server / DB intensive processes and should not be run during our busy hours.

(Edit: Just ran the table optimizer, it didn't do much
Your database contains 75 tables.
Attempting to optimize your database...
Optimizing Anime... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing AnimeNegs... 0.011719 kb optimized.
Optimizing AnimeVoting... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing brawlhacks... 0.175781 kb optimized.
Optimizing brawllogs... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_attachments... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_awards... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_awards_members... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_ban_groups... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_ban_items... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_boards... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_collapsed_categories... 0.006836 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_actions... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_activity... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_banned... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_boards... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_errors... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_floodcontrol... 0.207031 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_mark_read... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_notify... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_online... 55.582031 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_polls... 3.859375 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_search_results... 156.139648 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_search_subjects... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_log_topics... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_members... 0.039062 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_messages... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_personal_messages... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_pm_recipients... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_poll_choices... 0.566406 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_polls... 0.562500 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_postmoderation... 1.894531 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_sessions... 3274.796875 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_settings... 0.199219 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_themes... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_topics... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing smf_vwarnings... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_comment_rating... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_commentmeta... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_comments... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_links... 0.226562 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_options... 613.769531 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_postmeta... 1.039062 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_posts... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_term_relationships... 0.020508 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_term_taxonomy... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_terms... 0.000000 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_usermeta... 0.046875 kb optimized.
Optimizing wp_users... 0.035156 kb optimized.

49 table(s) optimized.

The 'Anime' tables have been fully removed. Those were an experiment of mine.

Moderation log can be cleaned out unless we have any issues to resolve there.

And I'm currently running find/fix errors.

We could try the recalculate one later... which will likely screw with anyone's custom post counts.
)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 29, 2011, 07:37:16 AM
Is there anything I can do to try to help?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on August 29, 2011, 07:46:57 AM
Is there anything I can do to try to help?

Rewrite / Optimize Brawl Vault. :P

Uhh... I don't really know.

SMF is... SMF; can only really fix problems as they arise.

Wordpress... that's always been a resource hog, despite Jack's many fixes.

Brawl Vault is somewhat a worry at this point, the code is 2 years old now --- made at a point in time where I was still extremely new to PHP and SQL. The stats page would probably be the easiest for 'an outsider' to fix. Right now stats are calculated each page load; changing it up to once a day or so would free up some resources / possibly allow for collaborations to be included in hack total count. (If you'd like to play around with it a bit, I can export out a small chunk of the vault DB for you to play around with --- it'll be quite apparent how much of the setup was an afterthought)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on August 29, 2011, 08:03:45 AM
If you need a testing grounds, You got the full support of Kcmm-E's site.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on August 29, 2011, 08:04:18 AM
I'll take this to PM's with you, picano :)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 29, 2011, 08:07:23 AM
Can we use the button "Report" for a topic on wrong place?
Yes. Just explain where it should belong, in the report's motive.
Like "Belong in PSA Help" as an example.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 29, 2011, 08:10:29 AM
Because i've report a guy, on "Introduction", he bump a topic since 2 years ago.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 29, 2011, 08:14:40 AM
Because i've report a guy, on "Introduction", he bump a topic since 2 years ago.
Well, the guy already got warned for bumping several of these topics. You're a bit late. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 29, 2011, 08:15:07 AM
D= Damn, you hurt me :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 30, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
I'm trying to report a Thread on a error appear :

An Error Has Occurred!
Hacking attempt...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on August 30, 2011, 09:43:22 AM
I'm trying to report a Thread on a error appear :

An Error Has Occurred!
Hacking attempt...

Obviously you are a hacker and therefore should be banned. :P

What thread? What post? What browser?

I need a LOT of info if I'm gonna trouble shoot an error like that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 30, 2011, 12:17:15 PM
Obviously you are a hacker and therefore should be banned. :P

What thread? What post? What browser?

I need a LOT of info if I'm gonna trouble shoot an error like that.


lol

This thread : http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=31548.0

And when i'm trying to look the thread that ask : The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 30, 2011, 12:27:42 PM
And when i'm trying to look the thread that ask : The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
That thread has been deleted. It is off-limits to you. There's no error here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on August 30, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
That thread has been deleted. It is off-limits to you. There's no error here.

Just because i see "An Error Has Occurred!" but nevermind.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on August 30, 2011, 12:30:58 PM
The "error" is that you're trying to access something you don't have permission to see, I'm guessing.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on August 30, 2011, 12:55:28 PM
The "error" is that you're trying to access something you don't have permission to see, I'm guessing.
Knowing how SMF is, yeah that's what happens. No permissions = error occurred.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Gamma Ridley on August 30, 2011, 04:21:27 PM
Can someone please lock this (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=626) into thread?

It was bumped a while ago, and people keep posting on it even though it's two years old. -.-


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Infernape on August 30, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
Can someone please lock this ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=626[/url]) into thread?

It was bumped a while ago, and people keep posting on it even though it's two years old. -.-


Holy.... I Didn't see it was old! Sorry.. :/


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on August 30, 2011, 05:19:36 PM
Can someone please lock this ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=626[/url]) into thread?

It was bumped a while ago, and people keep posting on it even though it's two years old. -.-

This topic has been necroposted twice. 1 year after the author made it, then 1 year after the 1st necropost. Impressive.
But locked anyway. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Gamma Ridley on August 30, 2011, 05:21:22 PM
This topic has been necroposted twice. 1 year after the author made it, then 1 year after the 1st necropost. Impressive.
But locked anyway. :P

Much appreciated. :]


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 01, 2011, 11:57:36 AM
I'm trying to report a Thread on a error appear :

An Error Has Occurred!
Hacking attempt...
lol, look at my brawlvault signature.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: snowboots12 on September 01, 2011, 06:59:14 PM
 :happy:
(http://forums.kc-mm.com/Themes/efsane/images/warnban.gif) (http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/598/ban1o.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 01, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
:happy:

A-reporting I will go!

Anyways, IDK where else to put this, but do you guys mind adding this emote: (http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2177/baws.png)

I sometimes feel like posting it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on September 01, 2011, 07:02:59 PM
:happy:

spam

in the moderation thread?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 01, 2011, 07:04:37 PM
already reported the bot (look at the siggy.)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on September 01, 2011, 07:05:06 PM
I already banned it. >.>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 01, 2011, 07:06:06 PM
Bots are getting dumber and dumber. XD
Now they just post a stupid smiley right in the middle of the Moderation topic, to make sure we catch them very quickly.

Lemmings-bots committing forum-suicides.
With a big, happy smile. :happy:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 01, 2011, 07:07:36 PM
And they have random names.
"snowboots" + random numbers=profit.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 01, 2011, 07:11:03 PM
funny. I thought it was a normal name till I saw the signature. At first I was going to report for spam, then the sig threw the flags.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on September 02, 2011, 07:37:11 AM
vish, ur quiet active with ur bandouken and warndouken lately... xDDD (im not complaining)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 02, 2011, 07:47:46 AM
vish, ur quiet active with ur bandouken and warndouken lately... xDDD (im not complaining)

Actually you should be complaining, but at the noob users lol


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on September 02, 2011, 04:35:10 PM
I find bots funny, well mainly the last one.
I'm curious about something. How come "[censored]" is censored?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Recolor Master on September 02, 2011, 08:50:20 PM
TBM IS BACK I REPEAT TBM IS BACK!!!!!!!!

don't give me a warned status


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 02, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
I saw your picture.

He was muted. WTF?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on September 02, 2011, 09:00:19 PM
for some reason i feel this as an epic videogame story, the bad guy is defeated and then some time later he is back :srs:

but why is he muted anyway? isnt the ban permament?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on September 02, 2011, 09:01:05 PM
He's banned. You guys just don't see it. >.>

Vyse put the ban on his profile instead of on a post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Recolor Master on September 02, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
so even if TBM's level is on warned, he's still banned?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on September 02, 2011, 09:03:31 PM
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/182/tbm.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 02, 2011, 09:19:49 PM
11 years old? That explains a bit.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 02, 2011, 09:21:21 PM
Well.

He asked for it. He trolled Vyse to the point of a ban.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Recolor Master on September 03, 2011, 05:37:29 AM
Someone tell me the kitten levels and how to get them?

I wanted to make enough posts to be on the KC-MM Team


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on September 03, 2011, 05:46:37 AM
Someone tell me the kitten levels and how to get them? I wanted to make enough posts to be on the KC-MM Team
thats not about posts
to join KC-MM team


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on September 03, 2011, 05:50:03 AM
Someone tell me the kitten levels and how to get them?

I wanted to make enough posts to be on the KC-MM Team
Well, to answer your question, post count does not determine the status of a KC:MM team member. The most important things that are looked for are quality and activity.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Recolor Master on September 03, 2011, 07:55:27 AM
stickman weren't you a adminstrator? i could've sworn you were an admin.

well what about kitten levels?
can someone tell me how much you need to make for each level? I hate this Newbie Kitten level


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on September 03, 2011, 08:59:15 AM
i think u get a new rank at 100, at 500, at 1000 etc (not sure...)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 03, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
Someone tell me the kitten levels and how to get them?

Kitten ranks are determined by your number of posts. They mean nothing beside reflecting your posting activity. Here's a table of each and every kitten rank.

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4339/kcmmranks.png)

I wanted to make enough posts to be on the KC-MM Team

Joining the KCMM Team is not based on number of posts, but on hacking talent and dedication.

stickman weren&#039;t you a adminstrator? i could&#039;ve sworn you were an admin.

He was an admin, yes, before resigning.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 03, 2011, 09:57:54 AM
Huh.
So my next rank is "Never Gonna Give You Up"
Looking forward to it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 03, 2011, 09:58:12 AM
50 or 100 posts will take you to the next level (I don't really remember)

EDIT: Godly ninja'd by Miacis  :P

EDIT2: I'm never going to have those nice ranks...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 11:11:41 AM
Who cares about ranks, they mean nothing. Specially at this forum when ass kissing an Admin will get you the stars.

Now on true subject, I made a report, and I want to know why it hasn't been handled yet.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on September 03, 2011, 11:13:40 AM
i got warned for this:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=32005.msg662690#msg662690


but the words i was using are censored, i mean, i didnt write the words themself, but how would someone understand what im saying if everything becomes a "[censored]"


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 03, 2011, 11:15:25 AM
i got warned for this:
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=32005.msg662690#msg662690[/url]


but the words i was using are censored, i mean, i didnt write the words themself, but how would someone understand what im saying if everything becomes a "[censored]"

Basically, if you wanna say the words, you gotta say them.
You can't add any *'s or %'s, or you'll get warned for it. You can turn off the censor if you want via options.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on September 03, 2011, 11:24:37 AM
i got warned for this:
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=32005.msg662690#msg662690[/url]


but the words i was using are censored, i mean, i didnt write the words themself, but how would someone understand what im saying if everything becomes a "[censored]"

I know I'm not a mod and shouldn't be mini-modding but...
This is the place to talk about a moderation you received: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0

What you did was censor bypassing, which is against the rules.
When you want to say [censored], you should write the word completely, it will be automatically censored for the people who have the word censor on and it will be shown for those who have it turned off.

To turn the censor off go to: Profile > Look and Layout Preferences, and then mark "Leave words uncensored".


Also, making a topic about your personal issues with KTH in the vertex section is something you shouldn't have done.
There are private messages for a reason.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on September 03, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
There are private messages for a reason.

KTH blocked him....


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on September 03, 2011, 11:42:37 AM
KTH blocked him....
Oh well, I'm not constantly checking the drama among hackers to know who blocked who and when.
And if KTH blocked him, it's for a reason. No need to make a rant thread about him.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 03, 2011, 11:43:37 AM
Who cares about ranks, they mean nothing. Specially at this forum when ass kissing an Admin will get you the stars.

Now on true subject, I made a report, and I want to know why it hasn't been handled yet.

If they "mean nothing", I wonder why the staff changed the Forum Games/Off-Topic posts not to count.

Apparently, they mean something.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 11:50:46 AM
If they "mean nothing", I wonder why the staff changed the Forum Games/Off-Topic posts not to count.

Apparently, they mean something.

Oh well they're about 2 years late. They're not on top of their [censored], at all.

Yeah very smart guys, to change that when veryone already has over thousands and thousands of posts.

I remember when that was an issue, specially with the KC MM Spamily Thread.

Now I just made another report, and I truly hope that [censored] is not ignored, cause that's really gonna piss me off..

I bet the excuse is gonna be "Oh reports don't function on that section"

For the person I reported, maybe you should mind your own [censored]ing business for once, and maybe you won't wonder why people are "mad at you".

Instead, you throw your unneeded 2 cents, that no one cares about, start [censored] on MSN, and you thought it was a smart idea to post it on the KC MM Family thread, thinking no one was gonna see it? That was a huge mistake.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 03, 2011, 11:55:45 AM
Oh well they're about 2 years late. They're not on top of their [censored], at all.

Yeah very smart guys, to change that when veryone already has over thousands and thousands of posts.

I remember when that was an issue, specially with the KC MM Spamily Thread.

I wouldn't mind if it was like that since the beginning. But IMO, changing that when they did, and how they did, was worse then letting it be.

But yeah, apparently it means something.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 03, 2011, 12:18:19 PM
Oh well they're about 2 years late. They're not on top of their [censored], at all.

Yeah very smart guys, to change that when veryone already has over thousands and thousands of posts.
We changed it because people like you and dear Hakumen were [censored]ing like crazy about it the post counts. Apparently it did mean something for you guys.
We haven't invented time machines yet to change the post counts back when we created the boards, so keep your criticism to constructive criticism, okay ?

Quote
Now I just made another report, and I truly hope that [censored] is not ignored, cause that's really gonna piss me off..
If you keep trying to bring down "that person" using lowly means like exagerated reports, that's not going to work, sorry.

And really, I'm wondering how you dared call him a "friend" at some point. You're treating him like [censored].
If he was your friend, you should be trying to reconciliate with him instead of listening to your pride, and your pride alone. Now you're just tryying to drag him in the mud.

Quote
I bet the excuse is gonna be "Oh reports don't function on that section"
Nah, it works perfectly well.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
We changed it because people like you and dear Hakumen were [censored]ing like crazy about it the post counts. Apparently it did mean something for you guys.
We haven't invented time machines yet to change the post counts back when we created the boards, so keep your criticism to constructive criticism, okay ?
If you keep trying to bring down "that person" using lowly means like exagerated reports, that's not going to work, sorry.
And really, I'm wondering how you dared call him a "friend" at some point. You're treating him like [censored].
If he was your friend, you should be trying to reconciliate with him instead of listening to your
pride, and your pride alone.
Nah, it works perfectly well.

First of all, the only one that "[censored]es" here is you, since you call yourself a female, and you sure act like one. So rephrase that [censored], buddy. Cursing at somebody, is aiming for trouble. Don't [censored]ing start [censored] with me. Very unprofessional from you, but I'm not surprised. By the way, it wasn't just Hakumen and I that disliked that, it was about 20 people. You want proof? Cause I sure got it. Oh unless you deleted the posts, to save your ass, again.

The only reason why you wanted to keep it, is so you could have your only friends still visit that thread. Otherwise, your life would be over, since all it is, is this forum. That's a whole subject we can get into, if you would like. Since apparently spam is so damn important to you, that you cried about it so much to stickman, just to keep it. When 75% of the forum's posts, come from there, and 99.9% of the [censored] that goes on in there, is spam. So what's your point again? Exactly, sit down.

Again, you and I are complete opposites. To you, betraying is fun and pretty, to me, that calls for an ass beating. So don't tell me how to handle situations with a hypocritical, two faced, person, instead do your [censored]ing job.

I don't like him, therefore, I'm gonna look at his posts, and when there is something wrong, I will report it.

Apparently nothing is good enough to report, since you like to protect your victims, instead of doing your job.

Now don't reply to me with your long ass posts that end with a smiley face, as if that changed anything. Instead all I want is justice, and for this [censored] starter to get what he deserves.

Unless your telling me is okay for him to throw his two cents, make the problem bigger, not be done then, harrass him on MSN, then go talk about it on the family thread to cause even more trouble. I mean apparently that [censored] is okay right? That's what you're saying..

Show your favoritism, and prove me right again.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 03, 2011, 01:01:55 PM
I'm not going to remake that post-count war with you. It's over, it's done.
Don't like it ? Invent a time machine.

But for someone calling me a nolife, you sure seem to enjoy wasting your time getting angry at me for doing my job. I give as much importance to this forum as any involved admin. As a user, I don't even see why you're complaining. Had I been elsewhere, you would have had to ask somebody else to change your custom title that other time. :P But you seem to forget very quickly about polite discussions when you get mad at something.

Again, you and I are complete opposites. To you, betraying is fun and pretty, to me, that calls for an ass beating. So don't tell me how to handle situations with a hypocritical, two faced, person, instead do your [censored]ing job.
You're so proud of yourself ...
Try taking a bit of distance for once, and look at all the former friends that you've lost because of how uncompromising you are. You can keep yourself in this spiral of hating if you find some pride in it. But pride doesn't give any comfort.

Quote
Apparently nothing is good enough to report, since you like to protect your victims, instead of doing your job.
So far, your two reports looked more like jokes, to be honest. Show us a true infraction and we'll see what we can do.
Oh, and you can report other people too. Reports aren't meant for vendettas. They are made to improve the forum experience.

Quote
Unless your telling me is okay for him to throw his two cents, make the problem bigger, not be done then, harrass him on MSN, then go talk about it on the family thread to cause even more trouble. I mean apparently that [censored] is okay right? That's what you're saying..
I'm sure you can deal with it like a big boy on your own without taking it out on him at each corner of a thread. This board is not your personnal warground.
Maybe you should give him a chance ? I dunno. Do what you want. Treat your former-or-not friends like crap if it makes you feel any better.

Quote
Now don't reply to me with your long ass posts that end with a smiley face, as if that changed anything. Instead all I want is justice, and for this [censored] starter to get what he deserves.
:-\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 03, 2011, 01:09:26 PM
So what's your point again? Exactly, sit down.

You don't sound as good as you think you do, cut the pompous crap k?

Again, you and I are complete opposites. To you, betraying is fun and pretty, to me, that calls for an ass beating. So don't tell me how to handle situations with a hypocritical, two faced, person, instead do your [censored]ing job.
Actually, you take something so simple, blow it out of porportion and call it backstabbing, then think your actions are justified. You know, I've been to a lot of forums where you'd already be perma banned.


I don't like him, therefore, I'm gonna look at his posts, and when there is something wrong, I will report it.

But you just called him friend.

Now don't reply to me with your long ass posts that end with a smiley face, as if that changed anything. Instead all I want is justice, and for this [censored] starter to get what he deserves.

The difference:

Him: Reports it to moderator at first sight

You: Try to handle it yourself, failing miserably, and ending up making yourself look horrible in any moderator report.

You're not the law around here.

now, who has less of a life? The person who spends time on the forums, or the person who complains nonstop about what other people do on a forum?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 03, 2011, 01:22:20 PM
I'm with oizen on this one. As an ex-community Gm from Ragnarok, that type of post would of never been tollerated and would of been an on site ban. You've got to be quite lucky that the admins here are pretty laid back and reasonable to talk to you about what you should be discussing, instead of dropping the ax.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 01:26:15 PM
I'm not going to remake that post-count war with you. It's done, it's done.

Apparently it's not done, as you just changed that rule. You started so much [censored], protected it, fought with your life, constantly [censored]ed, betrayed a lot of people, and then you change it? Bipolar medication time for you.

Thanks for proving me right. That's exactly what I wanted.

About the pride issue, I rather have a few friends, than having 20 fake [censored]s in my life. That's how I am in real life, that's how I am here. Once you cross me, betray me, or talk [censored] behind my back, you're done. Everyone that I have an issue with here, have done one of the above. Am I oh so mean and the bad guy for being like that? I'll be the villain of this story then, but I sure as hell will get respected.

Now if you want to be surrounded by a bunch of fakes, that just kiss your ass so you save them from getting into trouble, then go ahead and live that sad life.

So don't try to teach me [censored] about life, when you don't have one yourself. This forum doesn't count. To be honest, you're one of the last people I would ask for any advice about friendships and loyalty.

Like I told him, he [censored]ed with the wrong person. Therefore, I'm gonna be onto him, at all times.

Maybe that will teach him a lesson in life, and save him an ass beating also. That is, if he wants to face the real world out there.

Now I'm done here. Until the next ignored report. You can blame yourself for all this having to happen here. You're the one that ignored my reports, and the one that took my PM privileges away, so it had to be handled somewhere.

Later.

EDIT: @oizen: Am I supposed to take advice from a global mod that is constantly being joked about, hated by more than half of the forum, and now apparently has a warning? Haha, please.

now, who has less of a life?

That would be you.

Now can I be done here, or are you guys still plotting what you're gonna say to me next on one of those MSN chats?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 03, 2011, 01:39:38 PM
You really really like blowing everything out of proportions.

Every "backstabbing" you've tried to bring justice on. Your fake reports. The number of people hating Oizen. My behaviour during that post-count event. The effectiveness of how you live your friendhips. Your sense of rethoric.
Your own importance and talent.

No use even trying to talk to you: your mind isn't in the right dimension, apparently.
But don't expect to get your PM rights anytime soon as long as you keep on with this attitude :
Quote
Like I told him, he [censored]ed with the wrong person. Therefore, I'm gonna be onto him, at all times.
Maybe that will teach him a lesson in life, and save him an ass beating also. That is, if he wants to face the real world out there.
Because we're sure you'll keep using the PM system to send your hate messages.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 01:41:36 PM

You know, I've been to a lot of forums where you'd already be perma banned.


Really? What forum is that? The only forums I've been a part of is Infinity Mugen Team, which I was a Database Moderator and Contributor on there. I lost interest on that forum, and became inactive, thanks to Brawl Hacking. Then the other one is a Kanye West related forum with song leaks and such. I highly doubt you've been there. I never got Banned, Warned, Moderated, nothing.

Are you talking about Unleaded Mugen? The forum that had about 7 active members, and was run by the famous 12 year old, PZT?

If so, you're funny.

What's even funnier, is this:

http://www.forumforfree.com/viewtopic.php?p=9026&sid=3c6e80346c0b395160e2c4b4cf8cca3e&mforum=clubforum

And this:

http://clubpenguinhq.com/archive/thread/16943-hardest-thing-ive-ever-done.html

Back in the day, you were banned from there. Apparently you're not anymore, so too bad.

You're such a hypocrit..

As an ex-community Gm from Ragnarok.


Congratulations, bro.

that type of post would of never been tollerated and would of been an on site ban. You've got to be quite lucky that the admins here are pretty laid back and reasonable to talk to you about what you should be discussing, instead of dropping the ax.


Oh really? Wasn't it you that got in a big ass argument with Vyse, where you even cursed directly at him, and got a Moderation, right after a Warning on the same day, and had to be told to shut up or else, then you said that you didn't care and still kept going with your cursing.

Man, you people are so hypocritical. It's very sad indeed.

No need for you two to get into this argument between Miacis and I, but I guess it was the perfect chance for you two to deal with the personal issues and trauma that you might have with me.

You really really like blowing everything out of proportions.


The only one that's doing that is you, by bringing up old issues, personal issues, and saying I was "[censored]ing". That was unnecesasry, and uncalled for.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on September 03, 2011, 01:42:38 PM
Oh look! Is it war time again?
Oh, oh! Let me gather information and "proof"! And then we can re-assemble the Anti-Oizen Crusade!  ;D
inb4someonetakesthisassomethingmorethanajoke

Sorry Miacis, but I think this time you made this whole mess start growing in scale.  r)
If it's more of a personal thing, then it should be discussed elsewhere, this thread is about moderation issues, not about the opinions users have about each other.

You know, I've been to a lot of forums where you'd already be perma banned.
lol
That could be applied to many users here, and to you too.


Also, what is it with people wanting to jump into other person's discussions when it doesn't concern them?
Oops, I think I bit my tongue.  :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 03, 2011, 01:42:50 PM
That would be you.

Now can I be done here, or are you guys still plotting what you're gonna say to me next on one of those MSN chats?

Goodjob on ignoring the rest of that post there.

So just go back to plugging your ears and telling yourself you're the best there is. Okay?

Oh, don't expect your PM privileges back any time soon either.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 03, 2011, 01:45:02 PM
Congratulations, bro.

Oh really? Wasn't it you that got in a big ass argument with Vyse, where you even cursed directly at him, and got a Moderation, right after a Warning on the same day, and had to be told to shut up or else, then you said that you didn't care and still kept going with your cursing.

Man, you people are so hypocritical. It's very sad indeed.

No need for you two to get into this argument between Miacis and I, but I guess it was the perfect chance for you two to deal with the personal issues and trauma that you might have with me.

The only one that's doing that is you, by bringing up old issues, personal issues, and saying I was "[censored]ing". That was unnecesasry, and uncalled for.
And I've appologized to him for my out lash. I was honestly in the wrong and deserved what I got. it was about a subject I was pretty heated about, but in the end I honestly shouldn't of gotten so mad.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 01:45:55 PM
Sorry Miacis, but I think this time you made this whole mess start growing in scale.  r)
If it's more of a personal thing, then it should be discussed elsewhere, this thread is about moderation issues, not about the opinions users have about each other.

Thank you.

That could be applied to many users here, and to you too.

Yep. Check my previous post. Those were easily found, just by Googling his email.

Also, what is it with people wanting to jump into other person's discussions when it doesn't concern them?

Already ninja'd you on this one as well. Since I left so many people traumatized, they thought it was a good time to throw their personal issues out there. In reality, they're making themselves look worse than anyone else.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 03, 2011, 01:48:33 PM
Oh look! Is it war time again?
Oh, oh! Let me gather information and "proof"! And then we can re-assemble the Anti-Oizen Crusade!  ;D
inb4someonetakesthisassomethingmorethanajoke

Sorry Miacis, but I think this time you made this whole mess start growing in scale.  r)
If it's more of a personal thing, then it should be discussed elsewhere, this thread is about moderation issues, not about the opinions users have about each other.
lol
That could be applied to many users here, and to you too.


Of course, I think I've posted my fun times on the sega forums here. Man that was a riot...

Really? What forum is that? The only forums I've been a part of is Infinity Mugen Team, which I was a Database Moderator and Contributor on there. I lost interest on that forum, and became inactive, thanks to Brawl Hacking. Then the other one is a Kanye West related forum with song leaks and such. I highly doubt you've been there. I never got Banned, Warned, Moderated, nothing.

Are you talking about Unleaded Mugen? The forum that had about 7 active members, and was run by the famous 12 year old, PZT?

If so, you're funny.

What's even funnier, is this:

[url]http://www.forumforfree.com/viewtopic.php?p=9026&sid=3c6e80346c0b395160e2c4b4cf8cca3e&mforum=clubforum[/url]

And this:

[url]http://clubpenguinhq.com/archive/thread/16943-hardest-thing-ive-ever-done.html[/url]

Back in the day, you were banned from there. Apparently you're not anymore, so too bad.

You're such a hypocrit..


You've really been holding that for this long?

I was only banned from that place cause I wanted to be, then decided to troll it for fun. and MAN CPHQ is ancient to me. Let the dead have its rest man.

regardless, my actions on a different forum 5 years ago aren't going to sway any argument you have. Besides, if you've really done your history lesson on me, doesn't that make you lifeless?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on September 03, 2011, 01:49:45 PM
Guys, leave Italian and Miacis solve this by themselves, getting involved will just casue this to grow into bigger scales. =/


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 03, 2011, 01:53:43 PM
I'll still never have those nice ranks.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 01:54:41 PM

Of course, I think I've posted my fun times on the sega forums here. Man that was a riot...


What's funny, you like to call me out without having any proof, and make [censored] up. Then your excuse of a proof is, a forum with 7 active members (if that) that was run by a 12 year old at the time, named PZT, who is known to be a [censored] bag. That's your [censored]ing tactic? Miacis does a much better job at arguing. At least what he says is true..

I love how you like to act so professional and perfect, but as soon as Asuka and I called you out on that, you said "Oh yeah about that.. so freakin funny you guys"

Hypocrisy is a disease.

Now this unnecessary flame war can stop now.

Personal issues go to PMs. Come on.. we all know that.

I'll still never have those nice ranks.

Oh no Ricky! I'll give you those nice ranks. Here:

*hands ranks to br3*

Guys, leave Italian and Miacis solve this by themselves, getting involved will just casue this to grow into bigger scales. =/

Thanks Wolfric.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 03, 2011, 02:00:31 PM
What's funny, you like to call me out without having any proof, and make [censored] up. Then your excuse of a proof is, a forum with 7 active members (if that) that was run by a 12 year old at the time, named PZT, who is known to be a [censored] bag. That's your [censored]ing tactic? Miacis does a much better job at arguing. At least what he says is true..
You didn't even quote the part I had meant for you.

Sega forums are amazing man, as a troll yourself I recommend you go there.

Now on to what you said just doesn't make any sense. The forum you linked to isn't even related to brawl hacking, had more members in its hay day, and PZT has nothing to do with it.

I think you need to redo your math here.

But IS, you can't send PMs, you'd spam about it here and it be confusing.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 03, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
Oh no Ricky! I'll give you those nice ranks. Here:

*hands ranks to br3*

Oh, cool. Thanks!

*keeps the ranks*


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on September 03, 2011, 02:17:59 PM
This hasnt anything to do with me, but did all this drama start because of post count??

anyway, i think the ranks ARE usefull, since the more posts uve made on this for, normally, ud have more experience about brawl hacking...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Dot on September 03, 2011, 02:19:47 PM
This hasnt anything to do with me, but did all this drama start because of post count??

anyway, i think the ranks ARE usefull, since the more posts uve made on this for, normally, ud have more experience about brawl hacking...

there are people who get a higer rank asking questions....


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Helix on September 03, 2011, 02:32:24 PM
This hasnt anything to do with me, but did all this drama start because of post count?? anyway, i think the ranks ARE usefull, since the more posts uve made on this for, normally, ud have more experience about brawl hacking...
A user here has 12409 post in less than one year.

That user Hasn't made 1 hack yet.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Oh, cool. Thanks!

*keeps the ranks*

Hey! Give it back!

This hasnt anything to do with me, but did all this drama start because of post count??

anyway, i think the ranks ARE usefull, since the more posts uve made on this for, normally, ud have more experience about brawl hacking...

The drama was caused by unprofessionalism, personal issues, and apparently post counts too.

I simply don't care about it anymore.

All I wanted was for him to get the Warning he deserved. I know of a couple of times that people got in trouble for discussing current drama and issues on the family thread. So I still don't know why this guy gets a free ticket? Matter of fact, two free tickets, one from last week. Is it because he makes BrawlVault Reports? If so, I'd like to do that too. That way, I can start [censored], talk [censored], be fake, and never get in trouble for it!

=D

A user here has 12409 post in less than one year.

That user Hasn't made 1 hack yet.


What he said.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Aisuru Senka on September 03, 2011, 02:33:40 PM
A user here has 12409 post in less than one year.

That user Hasn't made 1 hack yet.

then again, there are people like me who have the capability to make legitimate hacks that aren't complete crap that takes a few minutes, but neither the time to work on it nor the attention span to remember to do that in their free time


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 03, 2011, 02:37:01 PM
Hey! Give it back!

Why?? D=

A user here has 12409 post in less than one year.

That user Hasn't made 1 hack yet.

You are really obsessed with that person.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 03, 2011, 02:52:10 PM
How about we close this stupid off-topic ? I was politely answering a user about ranks. And now we'r talking about everyone's post counts ?

I suggest we end this ridiculous discussion now. If you have anything to say here, it'd better be about some actual moderation stuff.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 03:00:13 PM
How about we close this stupid off-topic ? I was politely answering a user about ranks. And now we'r talking about everyone's post counts ?

I suggest we end this ridiculous discussion now. If you have anything to say here, it'd better be about some actual moderation stuff.

Thanks.

Well that was [censored]ing rude..

I don't have anything to say about Moderations anymore, but I think this is the appropiate place to say that I'm really enjoying the new sub board on the Off Topic section. Whoever thought of it, props to you.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 03, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
Well that was [censored]ing rude..

I don't have anything to say about Moderations anymore, but I think this is the appropiate place to say that I'm really enjoying the new sub board on the Off Topic section. Whoever thought of it, props to you.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=31690.msg658390#msg658390

Stemmed from this topic =3


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 03, 2011, 03:04:49 PM
The idea was first evocated by wii. When I showed support for the idea, more users supported it.

And the two who put it into place were Vyse and I, in an act of pure collaboration and manly friendship. ;D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on September 03, 2011, 03:19:13 PM
>.>
<.<
>.>
Is it safe to come out now? Is the war over? JK

Ummmmm, could someone answer my question yet? Why is *[censored]* censored? People where I live use it all the time. Even at school. No one cares. So why is it a no-no word?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 03, 2011, 03:21:25 PM
>.>
<.<
>.>
Is it safe to come out now? Is the war over? JK

Ummmmm, could someone answer my question yet? Why is *[censored]* censored? People where I live use it all the time. Even at school. No one cares. So why is it a no-no word?

Ah yes. Sorry about that.
I'm the one who added that one, being told that it was indeed a bad word to use. (Being French, I had some doubts about how vulgar it really is.)

I'll ask some other admins and mods if we should keep it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 03, 2011, 03:26:51 PM
"[censored]", even though used for an action, can be used to be a foul word.

Quote from: Urban Dictionary
[censored]
1. a penis
2. derogatory term used to sum up the existance of a worthless [censored]


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 03, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
I never heard of [censored] being another word for penis lol that's funny.

Of course I'm familiar with definition number two. In reality, I don't think it's that bad of a word, compared to others.

You guys might be taking it a bit too far with this censoring. It doesn't affect me though, as I have it turned off.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on September 04, 2011, 01:19:41 PM
Along with the censoring deal, why is [censored] censored?

inb4smartassestellmesomeonealreadysaidthis

If I would like to call someone [censored]y, I don't like to see that it was censored into [censored]y. It looks stupid.

inb4smartassestellmetoturncensorshipoff

I would like to keep censors on, since I really don't want to see swearing as much as anyone else, so the censorship was infact a good idea.

then again, there are people like me who have the capability to make legitimate hacks that aren't complete crap

loooooooooool

The irony.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 04, 2011, 05:24:40 PM
How long does a "Moderation" last for?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 04, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
How long does a "Moderation" last for?

If I recall what vyse said correctly, one week.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Seraph on September 04, 2011, 05:49:08 PM
I have a suggestion to whoever controls the censoring.
I think "[censored]" should be censored for obvious reasons.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: toastoftriumph on September 04, 2011, 09:02:13 PM
Could censorship be made more customized perhaps? Like, you can have a custom list of words that are blocked, or at least a checkbox with the currently censored words, that could be toggled on and off.
Hopefully it wouldn't be too hard to program. Fortunately it's not like adding a new section to the Brawlvault or anything.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 04, 2011, 09:05:41 PM
Could censorship be made more customized perhaps? Like, you can have a custom list of words that are blocked, or at least a checkbox with the currently censored words, that could be toggled on and off.
Hopefully it wouldn't be too hard to program. Fortunately it's not like adding a new section to the Brawlvault or anything.

I support this.

It would be cool too if you could choose what words would replace the censored words if you decided to keep filters on.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 04, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
What the [censored] did I just read. Four pages of basically complete madness.

Anyway.

Could censorship be made more customized perhaps? Like, you can have a custom list of words that are blocked, or at least a checkbox with the currently censored words, that could be toggled on and off.
Hopefully it wouldn't be too hard to program. Fortunately it's not like adding a new section to the Brawlvault or anything.
It would have to be coded, as nothing like that currently exists; and of the staff, most don't know how and the rest don't have the time.

As I've said before about something else that I've forgotten, if someone wants to volunteer, great.


If I recall what vyse said correctly, one week.
This is not addressed to just you, but seriously [censored].

This is in the rules.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on September 05, 2011, 03:07:14 AM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=4592.0


this should lredy be locked... it has been necroposted several times, ppl keep requesting stuff while nobody ever does it...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 05, 2011, 03:31:32 AM
I have a suggestion to whoever controls the censoring.
I think "[censored]" should be censored for obvious reasons.

I'm going to go ahead and add this to the list .-.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 05, 2011, 08:22:57 AM
I got a forum Suggestion, seeing as Bj's Importer's about done:

I think we may need a new Sub Forum o.o
"Model Imports"
  -"Model importing help"
  -"Model importing requests"
Yeah. I agree. :srs:
I almost have my video tutorial done though, so that should help some people out a lot. It's not that hard once you know how to do it.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM5F7NC7LSs[/url]


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 05, 2011, 11:57:32 AM
I really hate playing white knight like this, but come on.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=32009.msg663632#msg663632
I'm not sure if you noticed, but he edited Miacis's post that he quoted, stating his opinion and was therefore contributing to the discussion, and even didn't technically only consist of emoticons.  I will hope and assume you didn't notice that.  If that isn't the case, I'm truly disappointed you can't follow your own rules.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 05, 2011, 12:29:51 PM
I really hate playing white knight like this, but come on.
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=32009.msg663632#msg663632[/url]
I'm not sure if you noticed, but he edited Miacis's post that he quoted, stating his opinion and was therefore contributing to the discussion, and even didn't technically only consist of emoticons.  I will hope and assume you didn't notice that.  If that isn't the case, I'm truly disappointed you can't follow your own rules.

Still.
You can't just use a single emote in a post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 05, 2011, 12:32:06 PM
I think Noah is right...

He did indeed post his opinion, even though it was in a weird way.

It'd be wrong to say that he only posted an emote. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on September 05, 2011, 12:32:11 PM
Still.
You can't just use a single emote in a post.
He can, since he contributed to it editing the whole "Quote". Don't be biased. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 05, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
Guys, quit it. I simply don't give a [censored] anymore. No need for flamewar #17. As stupid as that [censored] sounds, rules are rules. Even though it might be pushing it, and that rule might make this whole forum feel like a prison or a boring ass day at school, still, it's the rules.

He might have personal issues, but he had the right to Moderate me, since it's part of the rules. As that applies, I will be on top of my [censored] making sure he follows the same guidelines.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 05, 2011, 03:10:52 PM
I will hope and assume you didn't notice that.  If that isn't the case, I'm truly disappointed you can't follow your own rules.
Even if you successfully convince us that he posted more than just an emote, that post would still get moderated.

Unless I missed the part of that thread where people were discussing the best way to get high, making that post relevant?

That post was not contributing to the discussion.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 05, 2011, 03:42:32 PM
Unless I missed the part of that thread where people were discussing the best way to get high, making that post relevant?

I'm sorry, but that [censored] you said made me laugh out loud. No point of discussing it anymore, specially since I'm the one who got Moderated. I do appreciate you Noah and br3 for showing them the other side of things, though. The point of my post was intended to be funny, and it was just me being stupid and silly, but some people are too serious and dull, I guess.

Vyse, you need to visit that thread.

I remember what you said on the thread I made a long time ago.

r)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 05, 2011, 03:50:28 PM
I'm sorry, but that [censored] you said made me laugh out loud. No point of discussing it anymore, specially since I'm the one who got Moderated. I do appreciate you Noah and br3 for showing them the other side of things, though. The point of my post was intended to be funny, and it was just me being stupid and silly, but some people are too serious and dull, I guess.

Vyse, you need to visit that thread.

I remember what you said on the thread I made a long time ago.

r)
Which got you into the mod status. Not to poke at the wound, but it was stated in the sticky (and reason for your mod) that that part of the forum was srs, and not som'in to poke fun around. If you made som'in in the post that added to the descution along with the off beat post, I'm sure it prob wouldn't of been flagged.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 05, 2011, 04:30:16 PM
Which got you into the mod status. Not to poke at the wound, but it was stated in the sticky (and reason for your mod) that that part of the forum was srs, and not som'in to poke fun around. If you made som'in in the post that added to the descution along with the off beat post, I'm sure it prob wouldn't of been flagged.

Quit poking at my wound! It hurts! No but really, it was far too late when I realized it was a new section, and even later when I realized there was specific rules for that section. Not blaming anyone, but myself.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: songeflemy on September 05, 2011, 07:16:02 PM
When we report something, could the Staff please respond to us about it. Usually despite my current award, I feel that some of my reports do not take action. If there's a reason, I think we, as the reporters, should know why this hasn't happened. So we should be PM'd in a matter of 2 days about what does the Staff think of the report.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 05, 2011, 09:23:23 PM

 r) doesn't really imply anything, you act as if everyone thinks it means the same thing.

I really hate playing white knight like this, but come on.
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=32009.msg663632#msg663632[/url]
I&#039;m not sure if you noticed, but he edited Miacis&#039;s post that he quoted, stating his opinion and was therefore contributing to the discussion, and even didn&#039;t technically only consist of emoticons.  I will hope and assume you didn&#039;t notice that.  If that isn&#039;t the case, I&#039;m truly disappointed you can&#039;t follow your own rules.


I typically do not read quotes in other posts on things like this, because I already read the original post.

Had he said something with words while doing this, this case may of had some justification. But he didn't.

When we report something, could the Staff please respond to us about it. Usually despite my current award, I feel that some of my reports do not take action. If there&#039;s a reason, I think we, as the reporters, should know why this hasn&#039;t happened. So we should be PM&#039;d in a matter of 2 days about what does the Staff think of the report.



Some of your reports have seemed a bit faulty, and there is no clear cut way to deal with everything. Some take more time then others. We're not going to deal with 100% of the reports we get, since some reports we get are usually faulty or part of some personal grudge against a user. Also, bumping request topics is typically okay, because its either a bump or creating a duplicate topic that will most likely reach the same fate the last one had.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Aisuru Senka on September 05, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
Not to intrude where I don't belong, but could we try to go a day without fighting? Please? It's a bit annoying to see this every day...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 05, 2011, 10:19:04 PM
I feel that some of my reports do not take action.
Not every report we see requires action. Sometimes our actions are less visible, e.g. a warning PM.

Quote
If there's a reason, I think we, as the reporters, should know why this hasn't happened.
I don't. You just report and let us do our jobs.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: stickman on September 06, 2011, 08:30:28 AM
When we report something, could the Staff please respond to us about it. Usually despite my current award, I feel that some of my reports do not take action. If there's a reason, I think we, as the reporters, should know why this hasn't happened. So we should be PM'd in a matter of 2 days about what does the Staff think of the report.


I agree with Vyse on this. Warning management should be -and will continue to be - confidential between the moderation team and the person being warned. What you are asking is too much of an invasion of privacy.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on September 07, 2011, 07:46:09 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=4592.0[/url]


this should lredy be locked... it has been necroposted several times, ppl keep requesting stuff while nobody ever does it...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 07, 2011, 09:07:45 AM
But it's a pinned thread and may be useful to others :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 07, 2011, 08:27:09 PM
Yeah, I also don't think it should be locked.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: jjookkeekkiidd on September 08, 2011, 07:52:23 AM
it can still be stickied so ppl can download stuff, but ppl dont apport usefull comments anymore...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Helix on September 08, 2011, 08:53:43 AM
I made a report yestyerday on a user that was "Flamming"

I reported it again just incase you guys missed it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 08, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
I made a report yestyerday on a user that was "Flamming"

I reported it again just incase you guys missed it.

I promise you we see every report. It's pretty hard not to. So stop worrying about it.

You just report and let us do our jobs.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 08, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
That reminds me.

I PM'd a few staff members about an issue with another forum member a few weeks ago.

Oizen was the only one to respond back, saying that he made a topic about it in the staff board.

Is there any progress on that?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 08, 2011, 05:01:38 PM
Well. Are you still having problems?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 08, 2011, 06:27:05 PM
Well. Are you still having problems?
Well, I blocked this person since I didn't want to get PMs that are hate PMs.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 08, 2011, 06:30:28 PM
I believe the issue is resolved, yes.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 08, 2011, 06:31:18 PM
I believe the issue is resolved, yes.
Alright.
Thanks for your time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: PAVGN on September 08, 2011, 07:13:41 PM
I promise you we see every report.

Didn't you guys said that you didn't get certain reports because of technical issues?

8. Missed Moderations
Yeah, we never saw those reports. By the way, only "report test 5" showed up.

About Missed sanctions.

(I swear on anything that is holy that none of these reports appeared in the Reported Posts section).

Now I'm not saying you're lying about seeing every report. But I think that because of past statements saying that technical problems cause reports not to get reported, people have every right to wonder rather or not you guys actually see the reports you get.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 08, 2011, 07:37:42 PM
We've never had an issue getting reports from the area his came from. We see every one of those.

Though yes, I did forget about the errors some people get, because they haven't been mentioned in a while. Out of sight, out of mind and all that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 15, 2011, 01:42:41 PM
Can you make it so that all topics in srs discussion board have to be approved first?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on September 15, 2011, 02:12:22 PM
I want to make a thread asking people to sign a petition. It's a link to a  where you leave your name, email and a optional comment. Here's a link
http://www.petitiononline.com/OpMnfall/petition.html
so would this count as breaking the advertising rule? It's free and it's not like I'm forcing you to sign it, though how could I, I'm on the internet.
If it's a no, then I won't make it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 15, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
A thread like that would belong in Off-Topic, where advertising is allowed anyway, so...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on September 23, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Can we put that emoticon on KC MM please?

(http://i.imgur.com/LKaSI.png)

:yuno:

Thank you very much in advance.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 23, 2011, 11:26:33 PM
I'm sorry if this was already brought up but...

Why isn't "White" a color option? =/

It's better to click to add the color then having to write it everytime... And white is much more of a basic color than most that are avaliable. <_<


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 24, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
Because it wasn't coded that way. It's not really something we can control.

...Unless you know PHP like I do. Check it now. :vyse:



I found a way to recalculate post counts, to reflect the fact that Off-Topic doesn't contribute.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on September 24, 2011, 06:04:01 AM
I'm curious, but with all the forum errors going on, did any of the mods get any of my reports.
I have reported numerous times on necroposting, spam, censor bypass, and topics being in the wrong section and nothing has been done about them.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 24, 2011, 06:10:34 AM
I'm curious, but with all the forum errors going on, did any of the mods get any of my reports.
I have reported numerous times on necroposting, spam, censor bypass, and topics being in the wrong section and nothing has been done about them.
That's a pretty unfair assertion.

I see 6 reports from you in the past week. One is the report you made a few minutes ago, which I took care of. Three (that's half) were already marked resolved. One is a Family thing, and I don't deal with those, so I won't comment. Only one legitimately slipped through the cracks, and I just took care of it. So yeah, pretty unfair.

If you made more than that in the past week, they didn't show up.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on September 24, 2011, 06:13:21 AM
That's a pretty unfair assertion.

I see 6 reports from you in the past week. One is the report you made a few minutes ago, which I took care of. Three (that's half) were already marked resolved. One is a Family thing, and I don't deal with those, so I won't comment. Only one legitimately slipped through the cracks, and I just took care of it. So yeah, pretty unfair.

If you made more than that in the past week, they didn't show up.
I see. Thank you.
Sorry for assuming. :/


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 24, 2011, 06:39:23 PM

The family moderation is a pain to deal with, before the white knight brigade screams OMG favoritism, I'm talking about the broken linking to the posts, sometimes I have an issues finding which post you mean when you report it. :V


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on September 24, 2011, 11:55:45 PM

The family moderation is a pain to deal with, before the white knight brigade screams OMG favoritism, I'm talking about the broken linking to the posts, sometimes I have an issues finding which post you mean when you report it. :V
Lol, that's totally true. Whenever I tried linking to a post, I ended up just linking to the page, since if I linked the post, it'd have linked 2 pages before or after. <_<;


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on September 25, 2011, 12:30:49 AM
i think i got bots inside my Thread cuz sometimes i see like 40 Guests looking in my thread
or right now +20:
(http://s3.postimage.org/4xmh02jxw/2011_09_25_08_30_04_864x96.png)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 25, 2011, 12:46:58 AM
I'm... not sure what you want us to do about it. Bots are going to be a constant presence on a board as big as ours.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 25, 2011, 07:45:20 AM
I found a way to recalculate post counts, to reflect the fact that Off-Topic doesn't contribute.

I went to the family thread and had a good laugh.

Sometimes the search brings up a page that says "no results found" but has multiple pages of the same thing.  I tested it with a common word and it had many many pages of "no results found".  I posted about this awhile ago and haven't tried searching since so I don't remember which board it was on, let me check...



I found my old screenshot
(http://i.imgur.com/BKto0.png)
but I wasn't able to reproduce it, so maybe it was fixed?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 25, 2011, 08:26:57 AM
Yeah, it's due to errors in pagination. Something like a month ago, Picano ran some maintenance tasks and fixed these errors. But a few more have started to appear again in big activity threads.

I think it's the same maintenance tasks as the ones we have in the admin panel. It takes a whole lot of time, but we'll try running these a bit more often now. :)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on September 25, 2011, 08:35:08 AM
Getting rid of bots?  Just make one of those anti-spam systems when signing up.  You know, the systems where you have to type the series of letters and numbers in a space to prevent spammers and bots signing up.

Honestly, unless this idea has already been thought of and doesn't work I don't know why it hasn't been done.  It's a painfully obvious concept.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 25, 2011, 08:37:08 AM
Getting rid of bots?  Just make one of those anti-spam systems when signing up.  You know, the systems where you have to type the series of letters and numbers in a space to prevent spammers and bots signing up.

Honestly, unless this idea has already been thought of and doesn't work I don't know why it hasn't been done.  It's a painfully obvious concept.
You're thinking of a captcha, which actually isn't a bad idea.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 25, 2011, 08:56:41 AM
Dang, it was so obvious. I wonder why we never thought about that ... >.>

OWAIT probably because we already did. (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6324/sansrejd.png) As well as adding a mathematic bot filter, and a picture bot filter.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on September 25, 2011, 09:00:09 AM
Dang, it was so obvious. I wonder why we never thought about that ... >.> OWAIT probably because we already did. ([url]http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6324/sansrejd.png[/url]) As well as adding a mathematic bot filter, and a picture bot filter.
I had a good laugh. XD That's been implemented for over 6 months or 10 xD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on September 25, 2011, 09:06:17 AM
You're thinking of a captcha, which actually isn't a bad idea.


Ah so that's what it's called.  Yeah that's precisely what I'm thinking of XD

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/KCAPTCHA_with_crowded_symbols.gif)

Dang, it was so obvious. I wonder why we never thought about that ... >.>

OWAIT probably because we already did. ([url]http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6324/sansrejd.png[/url]) As well as adding a mathematic bot filter, and a picture bot filter.


Well, if you hadn't noticed, I joined about 17 months ago.  I'm fairly sure this wasn't implemented then, and even if it was it was too long ago for me to remember.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 25, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
Ah so that's what it's called.  Yeah that's precisely what I'm thinking of XD

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/KCAPTCHA_with_crowded_symbols.gif[/url])

Well, as I just said, we've already got that anti-bot system, as well as 2 other ones. Anyone can just log out of their account for a few seconds and try to register to test them. :P

But you guys have no idea how many bot attacks we get on a daily basis ... .-.
Nowadays, the only bots that manage to post on the boards were either registered before we had any anti-bot measures, or were just really lucky/clever.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 25, 2011, 10:13:52 AM
He was talking about guest bots, not registered ones. The only way to prevent those would be captchas or something before viewing a page, and that would be too inconvenient for users. But they're not hurting anything, so there's no reason to do something anyway.

Though getting rid of them probably would lighten our traffic load.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 25, 2011, 10:30:49 AM
Though it would also filter some of the bots that we WANT to have lurking on the boards ... like the Google ones, or those from other similar websites, that help us get more people around.

Although it would probably lighten our traffic load even more.
But hey, it's kinda hard to ask for both no traffic, and new people/popularity. ._.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Kono Ricky da! on September 25, 2011, 11:20:14 AM
And Vyse saves the day again.

Thanks for adding the color. :vyse:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 25, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
Ah so that's what it's called.  Yeah that's precisely what I'm thinking of XD

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/KCAPTCHA_with_crowded_symbols.gif[/url])

Well, if you hadn't noticed, I joined about 17 months ago.  I'm fairly sure this wasn't implemented then, and even if it was it was too long ago for me to remember.


Captcha doesn't keep all the bots out.

I've never seen a forum that doesn't get a bot now and then.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ℱira on September 25, 2011, 06:18:48 PM
He was talking about guest bots, not registered ones. The only way to prevent those would be captchas or something before viewing a page, and that would be too inconvenient for users. But they're not hurting anything, so there's no reason to do something anyway.

Though getting rid of them probably would lighten our traffic load.
why would anyone have bots for a forum anyway
its not like its beneficial or something

There should also be a way to separate moderation from your siblings in real life : (


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 25, 2011, 10:24:51 PM
Man thank God there was a way to recalculate the posts counts. So much win.

Now it's more balanced and fair for everybody.

Very happy about this.

Kinda funny to see some people that had thousands, and thousands of posts, now they're barely on the 500's.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 25, 2011, 10:31:37 PM
Man thank God there was a way to recalculate the posts counts. So much win.

Now it's more balanced and fair for everybody.

Very happy about this.

Kinda funny to see some people that had thousands, and thousands of posts, now they're barely on the 500's.
True.
I used to have the, about, 8th highest post count on the fotum. I'm now in the top 3. You're close behind :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 25, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
True.
I used to have the, about, 8th highest post count on the fotum. I'm now in the top 3. You're close behind :P

I can see you're only 35 posts ahead of me.

*Posts everywhere like a maniac*

Also, where is this information at?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 25, 2011, 10:48:28 PM
I can see you're only 35 posts ahead of me.

*Posts everywhere like a maniac*

Also, where is this information at?
On the members page, you can click on the "posts" colum and it'll organize from most to least posts.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 25, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
Man thank God there was a way to recalculate the posts counts. So much win.

Now it's more balanced and fair for everybody.

Very happy about this.

Kinda funny to see some people that had thousands, and thousands of posts, now they're barely on the 500's.

I don't really get why you care.

Post count hardly matters to me, the 50k I had before came from Miacis some time 2 years ago. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 25, 2011, 11:28:29 PM
On the members page, you can click on the "posts" colum and it'll organize from most to least posts.

Of course MarioDK would be the number one, lol.

I don't really get why you care.

It's not really that I care, it's just surprising to me that I'm that active around hacking sections and stuff. That's what's amusing to me. Maybe not to someone else?

Post count hardly matters to me, the 50k I had before came from Miacis some time 2 years ago. :P

I lol'd at sexy power abuse back when it was allowed.

Also, kinda off topic, but I noticed you're -998 years old now.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ℱira on September 25, 2011, 11:29:47 PM
Of course MarioDK would be the number one, lol.

It's not really that I care, it's just surprising to me that I'm that active around hacking sections and stuff. That's what's amusing to me. Maybe not to someone else?

I lol'd at sexy power abuse back when it was allowed.

Also, kinda off topic, but I noticed you're -998 years old now.
It was oizens birthday couple days ago


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 12:27:06 AM
Of course MarioDK would be the number one, lol.

It's not really that I care, it's just surprising to me that I'm that active around hacking sections and stuff. That's what's amusing to me. Maybe not to someone else?

I lol'd at sexy power abuse back when it was allowed.

Also, kinda off topic, but I noticed you're -998 years old now.

I'm actually 17, but using the broken calendar settings for the forums to become -998 is more amusing.

and lets be honest, you're laughing at people in the family aren't you? Well so am I.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 26, 2011, 12:47:20 AM
Umm... their is a Recycle Bin for deleted posts now?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on September 26, 2011, 12:51:19 AM
Umm... their is a Recycle Bin for deleted posts now?

Yep, only your own. Probably to repost posts you didn't want deleted or such? o.o?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 26, 2011, 12:53:48 AM
Yep, only your own. Probably to repost posts you didn't want deleted or such? o.o?
I know that, but am thinking it's still being worked on, because i click on the next page and their is nothing.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 12:56:21 AM
1. Recycle Bin's always been there; it's just been invisible to you guys.

2. It's visible now mainly for moderation purposes. Instead of warning you in public, we'll delete the offending post and warn it from the Recycle Bin. That way it's more private, and the rule-breaking stuff isn't left for everyone to see.

Another advantage I didn't even think about until after I'd implemented it is that doing it this way actually sends necroposted topics back where they belong.

I know that, but am thinking it's still being worked on, because i click on the next page and their is nothing.
What do you mean?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on September 26, 2011, 12:59:53 AM
What do you mean?
I have 614 pages in the Bin while it only contains 350 posts, the other pages are all empty. Any idea what could cause that?

edit: Actually after rechecking it. It only shows posts on the first and last page, nothing else.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 26, 2011, 01:00:11 AM
1. Recycle Bin's always been there; it's just been invisible to you guys.

2. It's visible now mainly for moderation purposes. Instead of warning you in public, we'll delete the offending post and warn it from the Recycle Bin. That way it's more private, and the rule-breaking stuff isn't left for everyone to see.

Another advantage I didn't even think about until after I'd implemented it is that doing it this way actually sends necroposted topics back where they belong.
What do you mean?

This is actually a awesome idea. =D

What do you mean?

I clicked on page 2 and it says i don't have any messages.

Edit: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=29876.0
I see more then my deleted post here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 01:11:46 AM
OK, it looks like the "view only own topics" mod doesn't do pagination. Annoying, but not the end of the world.

This is actually a awesome idea. =D

Thanks.

Quote
Edit: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=29876.0[/url]
I see more then my deleted post here.

If we mass delete posts, they get moved as their own thread like that. Your post is the first, so it's considered your thread and you can see it. We'll just have to not do that anymore. Not that inconvenient, I think. Mass deletions don't happen often enough (in my experience) for this to be annoying.

This is sort of an experiment; if it proves too buggy or too much of a hassle, we'll probably scrap it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 26, 2011, 01:13:57 AM
OK, it looks like the "view only own topics" mod doesn't do pagination. Annoying, but not the end of the world.
Thanks.
If we mass delete posts, they get moved as their own thread like that. Your post is the first, so it's considered your thread and you can see it. We'll just have to not do that anymore. Not that inconvenient, I think.

This is sort of an experiment; if it proves too buggy or too much of a hassle, we'll probably scrap it.
I think i get it, i know since this new it will be buggy.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 02:22:51 AM
Ah, so we're applying that system already ? Good. :)

This should make things a bit more private between the sanctionned people and the moderation team ... They'll still have the Moderation corner to talk about it if they want to.

Also, something quite important :
If the post contained something useful in addition to the rule-breaking, it will still be deleted. If you'd like to repost the useful bits without the rule-breaking stuff, you will have the original post right there in the Recycle Bin to copy.
We won't be reposting the useful bits for you, it's your responsibility.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on September 26, 2011, 07:22:15 AM
Thumbs up for the new moderating system. I'd like to compliment Vyse for constantly coming up with ways to improve this forum (was gone for a week due to sickness so I'm going to assume that was Vyse's idea if not then feel free to correct me).

Oh and just my two cents on the postcount issue:


Ever visited Beyond's thread, where people can fill several pages with things unrelated to the hacks currently in the making? Or maybe DSX8's thread which is constantly getting abused as a chat thread? How come with all the views those threads have none of this has ever been brought up in the whole postcount crusade? Do I smell the delicious smell of hypocrisy?

That is all, I don't care about postcounts, so I'm not going to suggest removing postcounts from those threads. I actually like how mine now accurately reflects my activity and interest in brawl hacking.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 26, 2011, 07:29:48 AM

Ever visited Beyond's thread, where people can fill several pages with things unrelated to the hacks currently in the making? Or maybe DSX8's thread which is constantly getting abused as a chat thread? How come with all the views those threads have none of this has ever been brought up in the whole postcount crusade? Do I smell the delicious smell of hypocrisy?
I saw Miacis post in Beyond's thread about this issue.
That place goes off-topic so fast, so I think removing post counts in his thread could help.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on September 26, 2011, 08:03:31 AM
Yeah, makes posts not count in Beyond's thread. While you're at it, just remove the posts count from the forum altogether. Let's not promote discussion at all.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on September 26, 2011, 08:05:50 AM
just remove the posts count from the forum altogether.
I love you :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 09:05:59 AM
Let's not promote discussion at all.

You know that, if we follow that reasonning, we can just re-establish the count for every board.

It would be nice for a change if people actually gave us a straight idea of what the bloody hell they want.

Because right now, it just feels like this whole issue was only brought up monthes ago as a way of attacking Family / Forum Games active members. And I'm not even trying to troll when I'm saying that. It's just how it looks like.

Btw, when I mentionned this (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12920.msg691281#msg691281) in Beyond's thread, I was kidding. Yes, look at the big round smiley. It's emphasizing that I've just used the post count thingie to exxagerate the spammy nature of Beyond's thread's discussions.
We can't even single-target topic for post counting so yeah. Big fat pleasantry.

But considering how people are replying to it ... It looks like I touched a raw nerve.  r)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on September 26, 2011, 09:11:35 AM
You know that, if we follow that reasonning, we can just re-establish the count for every board.

It would be nice for a change if people actually gave us a straight idea of what they bloody want.

Because right now, it just feels like this whole issue was only brought up monthes ago as a way of attacking Family / Forum Games active members. And I'm not even trying to troll when I'm saying that. It's just how it looks like.

Btw, when I mentionned this ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12920.msg691281#msg691281[/url]) in Beyond's thread, I was kidding. Yes, look at the big round smiley. It's emphasizing that I've just used the post count thingie to exxagerate the spammy nature of Beyond's thread's discussions.
We can't even single-target topic for post counting so yeah. Big fat pleasantry.

But considering how people are replying to it ... It looks like I touched a raw nerve.  r)


Then I guess neither of us can detect sarcasm through text.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 26, 2011, 09:12:01 AM
So, it was just a joke? :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Beyond on September 26, 2011, 09:26:15 AM
You know that, if we follow that reasonning, we can just re-establish the count for every board.

It would be nice for a change if people actually gave us a straight idea of what the bloody hell they want.

Because right now, it just feels like this whole issue was only brought up monthes ago as a way of attacking Family / Forum Games active members. And I'm not even trying to troll when I'm saying that. It's just how it looks like.

Btw, when I mentionned this ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12920.msg691281#msg691281[/url]) in Beyond's thread, I was kidding. Yes, look at the big round smiley. It's emphasizing that I've just used the post count thingie to exxagerate the spammy nature of Beyond's thread's discussions.
We can't even single-target topic for post counting so yeah. Big fat pleasantry.

But considering how people are replying to it ... It looks like I touched a raw nerve.  r)


Solution. Give my thread it's own board on the forums. xD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 26, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
 Solution. Give my thread it's own board on the forums. xD
You. Are. A. Freakin'. GENIUS. :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on September 26, 2011, 09:34:29 AM
So, it was just a joke? :srs:

I clearly stated that I DON'T suggest removing the postcounts from those threads. From what I know the removal only works for entire boards/subboards anyway. I was playing at what Miacis already pointed out.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 09:38:57 AM


Solution. Give my thread it's own board on the forums. xD

...
(http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/57302_o.gif)
XD

Then I guess neither of us can detect sarcasm through text.

I did detect your sarcasm. Unless it was double-sided or something.

"just remove the posts count from the forum altogether. Let's not promote discussion at all."
becomes (once translated)
"Don't remove the post count out of the forum, because it's stupid and doesn't promote discussion."

And, as I said, in that case, and if promoting discussion is what's important, then I don't see what the problem was with the Off-Topic posts to begin with. >_>
Because they're discussion.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 26, 2011, 12:17:01 PM
and lets be honest, you're laughing at people in the family aren't you? Well so am I.


r)

Btw, when I mentionned this ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12920.msg691281#msg691281[/url]) in Beyond's thread, I was kidding. Yes, look at the big round smiley. It's emphasizing that I've just used the post count thingie to exxagerate the spammy nature of Beyond's thread's discussions.
We can't even single-target topic for post counting so yeah. Big fat pleasantry.


That was very trolly of you Miacis, lol.

But considering how people are replying to it ... It looks like I touched a raw nerve.  r)


Oh yeah. I rest my case.

Ever visited Beyond's thread, where people can fill several pages with things unrelated to the hacks currently in the making? Or maybe DSX8's thread which is constantly getting abused as a chat thread? How come with all the views those threads have none of this has ever been brought up in the whole postcount crusade? Do I smell the delicious smell of hypocrisy?


Don't forget SilentDoom's PSA thread and also BlackJax's Importing thread as well.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on September 26, 2011, 12:24:31 PM
Don't forget SilentDoom's PSA thread and also BlackJax's Importing thread as well.

I dunno, my thread doesn't get as much spam as it used to =P  However, once I release another PSA, that will probably change I feel for some reason...

As for post count order, it looks like MarioDK (though the majority of his posts are from spamming his own topics constantly XD, no offense), then Seg, then you, then me.  Who's 5th? 


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on September 26, 2011, 12:36:13 PM
Don't forget SilentDoom's PSA thread and also BlackJax's Importing thread as well.

Oh yeah, I was going to mention SDoom but his thread kinda calmed down since he "left". And importing thread? I'm out of the loop man lol

MarioDK (though the majority of his posts are from spamming his own topics constantly XD, no offense)

I also forget to mention the DBZ spamfest that is his thread. I need to step up my game.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 12:41:23 PM
I dunno, my thread doesn't get as much spam as it used to =P  However, once I release another PSA, that will probably change I feel for some reason...

As for post count order, it looks like MarioDK (though the majority of his posts are from spamming his own topics constantly XD, no offense), then Seg, then you, then me.  Who's 5th? 

Guys ...

Members
=>
Posts
=>
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;start=0

It's our buddy NZM. >w>


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on September 26, 2011, 12:54:23 PM
Guys ...

Members
=>
Posts
=>
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;start=0[/url]

It's our buddy NZM. >w>
NZM = <3

Anyways, the sarcasm and double-edged swords in these last 2 pages... Interesting.

As for Beyond's thread, people should really be more mature and stop posting about that MVC thing... I can't believe even after pointing it out, they're goin' at it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on September 26, 2011, 12:56:14 PM
Guys ...

Members
=>
Posts
=>
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;start=0[/url]

It's our buddy NZM. >w>
With literally only 4 posts below sDo0m (we all know NZM's posts are 99% off-topic anyway)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 26, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
I dunno, my thread doesn't get as much spam as it used to =P  However, once I release another PSA, that will probably change I feel for some reason...


Well I check your thread from time to time. Sometimes I can't even find your most recent posts since there's so much off topic and hype at the same time. It's a sexy combination of both. That is, unless you put what reply number to look for on your title.

Oh yeah, I was going to mention SDoom but his thread kinda calmed down since he "left". And importing thread? I'm out of the loop man lol


http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=17547.4290

Go there at your own risk lol serious [censored] man.

Guys ...

Members
=>
Posts
=>
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;start=0[/url]

It's our buddy NZM. >w>


Well, you do know that now he's gonna get here and say something about it right?

With literally only 4 posts below sDo0m (we all know NZM's posts are 99% off-topic anyway)


Nothing but the truth.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 01:17:27 PM
As for Beyond's thread, people should really be more mature and stop posting about that MVC thing... I can't believe even after pointing it out, they're goin' at it.
Allow me to correct this :
People should be less off-topic and stop posting about anything that doesn't directly relate to Beyond's actual vertexing.
If you (yes, you, random user) liked the game from where comes his next vertex, then good for you, keep it to yourself. Or make a generic video game topic in Off-Topic to talk about it.
But coming on his thread to talk about anything but BeyondYou's vertexes (or even BeyondYou himself) is just a biiig, fat off-topic.

A guy is asking about Vegeta, then either ignore it, or point him to BY's post about not making Vegeta. Or if you're really lazy and like taking risks, tell him to Up The Shut [censored]. If you start talking about noobs, complaining about DBZ hacks, praising DBZ hacks, whatever, you are already off-topic.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on September 26, 2011, 01:27:16 PM
Allow me to correct this :
People should be less off-topic and stop posting about anything that doesn't directly relate to Beyond's actual vertexing.
If you (yes, you, random user) liked the game from where comes his next vertex, then good for you, keep it to yourself. Or make a generic video game topic in Off-Topic to talk about it.
But coming on his thread to talk about anything but BeyondYou's vertexes (or even BeyondYou himself) is just a biiig, fat off-topic.

A guy is asking about Vegeta, then either ignore it, or point him to BY's post about not making Vegeta. Or if you're really lazy and like taking risks, tell him to Up The Shut [censored]. If you start talking about noobs, complaining about DBZ hacks, praising DBZ hacks, whatever, you are already off-topic.
That pretty much sums it up completely, but with my post I was actually referring to the talk that took place in the last 2 pages there. :P


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
Because right now, it just feels like this whole issue was only brought up monthes ago as a way of attacking Family / Forum Games active members. And I'm not even trying to troll when I'm saying that. It's just how it looks like.
Oh sheesh yall, if I recall (read what I wrote months ago) correctly and in polite terms, I seem to remember it was more about the harsh sanction of one of the staff members as well as ignoring quite a lot of regular members saying they liked the idea that got on those nerves.

I also recall making a point to say it was not about post counts numerous times too 0.o


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Seraph on September 26, 2011, 01:49:25 PM

That is all, I don't care about postcounts, so I'm not going to suggest removing postcounts from those threads. I actually like how mine now accurately reflects my activity and interest in brawl hacking.
I agree with this.
And considering I was only interested in making videos, I'd say that's pretty accurate lol.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 01:59:25 PM
Too bad that it actually did end up as a pressure move for a post count change, in the end.

To sum it up, as of today, I see more "regular users" asking to removepost counts completely. So in the end, no one actually cares about what boards are counted or not for posts. So yeah, at this point, I have a lingering feeling...
A feeling that this (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23675.0) bloody topic served absolutely NO purpose.
All it did was generate a ton of drama, pitted users against each other and against the staff, and created a climate of conflict that's still showing, even 5 monthes after.

It's amazing how the two most insignificant things are actually the ones that changed the most the face and the climate of this forum. In a bad way, and in a good way respectively.
Post counts.
And award trinkets.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on September 26, 2011, 02:08:38 PM
I like the new post counts. I actually know the top posters. Delicious.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
Too bad that it actually did end up as a pressure move for a post count change, in the end.

To sum it up, as of today, I see more "regular users" asking to removepost counts completely. So in the end, no one actually cares about what boards are counted or not for posts. So yeah, at this point, I have a lingering feeling...
A feeling that this ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23675.0[/url]) bloody topic served absolutely NO purpose.
All it did was generate a ton of drama, pitted users against each other and against the staff, and created a climate of conflict that&#039;s still showing, even 5 monthes after.

And I seem to have made an adequate response to you five months ago reguarding the issue, and it was settled (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0)
It was not solely about post counts for the 100th time as clearly stated, and it was settled and didn't need to be made into an argument again.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 02:19:01 PM
Okay, I won't make it into an argument. So now, what are we doing with this post count thingie which has NOTHING TO DO with the previous events ?

Could we have an actual logic and reasonnable solution ?

- "Let's encourage discussion. Posts are posts. Number of posts = Post counts."

- "Off-Topic and Spam are not to be counted. There won't be anymore Spam in any boards where posts are counted, we promise."

- "I don't wanna see it anymore. Who care about posts anyway ? Remove the post count."


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on September 26, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
People really want post counts gone? I was being a fun-loving smart-ass when I said that.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Just control spammy boards like Beyond's and DSX8's. I don't know why you would try to work around the problem.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Seraph on September 26, 2011, 02:31:30 PM
Just control spammy boards like Beyond's and DSX8's.
Since most of it is spam and off-topic posts, it should be controlled.

Though it's hard to determine how to deal with it without giving off several warnings at once, and since mods aren't able to see/catch anything the moment it starts, it could have already gone far off-topic by many people unintentionally contributing to it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 02:37:30 PM
If it would be possible to give beyond the ability to delete comments from his thread, that would work.  DSX8 actually makes up most of the spam on his board in off topic conversation, so I don't know...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vish on September 26, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
If it would be possible to give beyond the ability to delete comments from his thread, that would work.  

I think that's only possible if Beyond becomes a global mod or just a board mod of the vertex section.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Puraidou on September 26, 2011, 02:45:22 PM
I think that's only possible if Beyond becomes a global mod or just a board mod of the vertex section.
Yeah unless you want to give everyone right to delete comments in their threads..
*imagines the major deleting sprees*
Yeah..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 26, 2011, 02:46:15 PM
I clearly stated that I DON'T suggest removing the postcounts from those threads.
I was joking :srs:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 26, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
Why are some of you bringing up old issues? It's almost as if you want another flame war to happen.

I just want to say that bringing up old [censored] from the past, is not a very smart thing to do. I also thought that things from the past were irrelevant? Apparently not.

I just don't get the people who state they don't care, they never cared, they never will care, they only care on Saturdays, but you still talk about it?

What Vyse did was great. The Off Topic section and Forum Games/Spam section must not have post counts, as you can see this chart that StarWaffle posted which is just ridiculous to me:

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/jeremie_1992/themoreyouknow.png)

It's self explanatory.

Now let's just let it go already. Does everything always have to be so dramatic? <_<


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Seraph on September 26, 2011, 02:51:08 PM
Yeah unless you want to give everyone right to delete comments in their threads..
*imagines the major deleting sprees*
Yeah..
I was just thinking that lol. That would end up bad most likely because of people deleting posts for no reason or because it was not in their favor.

Now let's just let it go already. Does everything always have to be so dramatic? >_>
I ask this everyday. ;o


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Gamma Ridley on September 26, 2011, 03:01:02 PM
I don't know about everyone else, but I for one actually appreciate what has been done about the post count. It's very satisfying to see the top posters have their post counts slashed to ridiculously low numbers.

I'm looking at you Pride. XD

Really, the new post counts are more accurate in measuring who's actually contributing to what this site was made for in the first point: hacking. It wasn't made to be a social networking site.

That said, I think the main problem is people spamming it up in the On-Topic boards. We all know who that is. But there are other people who post meaningless comments like "Good :3" or "Smexy =D" or other nonsensical one-worded responses.

I dunno, but I honestly feel it's a jump from what it was previously. Even though, ultimately, post counts don't mean [censored].

That's just an opinion from a nobody. Do what you will with it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 03:07:14 PM
I think that's only possible if Beyond becomes a global mod or just a board mod of the vertex section.
Yeah unless you want to give everyone right to delete comments in their threads..
*imagines the major deleting sprees*
Yeah..

Actually, a way around would be to create a special membersgroup for people with huge threads with lots of spammy content. But I'm not really a fan of making VIP membersgroup such as this. Especially since Beyond, DSX8 and the others already have 2 means of limiting off-topic :
- Making verbal reminders.
- REPORTING.

Yes, we barely ever get any reports about the spam in these topics. I've even learnt about some of these threads just now. So when I'm saying something silly like "There won't be anymore Spam in any boards where posts are counted, we promise.", I am not "trying to work around the problem". I am just describing a reality that there doesn't seem to be many users that are concerned about that spam.

So if you want things to change, you'll need to be a man and use that report button whenever someone strays off. We don't always hand sanctionsfor reports, you know ? Sometimes, we just make a post in the topic to put things back into order.
But again, if nobody ever tells us until we're all here arguing at each other, we aint gonna go very far.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 03:10:19 PM
DSX8 Won't report his own posts in his own thread, but I'm sure people could do so for him ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 03:21:41 PM
Oh sheesh yall, if I recall (read what I wrote months ago) correctly and in polite terms, I seem to remember it was more about the harsh sanction of one of the staff members as well as ignoring quite a lot of regular members saying they liked the idea that got on those nerves.

I also recall making a point to say it was not about post counts numerous times too 0.o

All your examples just happening to come from the family thread. I mean, what are the odds there?

Just sayin.

Honestly, if you guys feel pride in your post counts, then its rather sad.

Miacis, I've been on a few boards where you had the option to hide your own post count, would something like that be possible here?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 03:30:40 PM

All your examples just happening to come from the family thread. I mean, what are the odds there?

Just sayin.

This post happening to ignore entire point as well as grammatical laws.
to quote myself again;
Quote
Lets get some things straight here.  You seem to think that everyone is angry about the small issue of post counts.  That is clearly not the case.  You became angry when Haku changed the rules without your consent.  It was a sensible change, yes, he probably should have asked you first, and no, you shouldn't have made a decision on it before consulting forum members and not people who it doesn't affect (read: yourselves).  People are angrily because YOU were the ones to flip [censored] and make a big deal.  YOU were the ones that caused a large reaction.  For nothing. It really isn't a big deal.  Haku didn't make it one, you all did.  We aren't the one raging about how this isn't team-like behavior, and then locking and deleting topics left and right without consulting other mods.  We aren't the one making topics in the admin board ranting about how they want members banned that committed no wrong, just stated their opinion.  Most members appear to feel that its a reasonable change, and you are all being unreasonable, apparently for the sole reason that you can, because you have the power to.  Don't leave things the same because you don't want to let Haku get away with this terrible thing he's gone and done.

And I seem to have made an adequate response to you five months ago reguarding the issue, and it was settled ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0[/url])
It was not solely about post counts for the 100th time as clearly stated, and it was settled and didn't need to be made into an argument again.

I don't get what you don't get.  Is it the reading part?

And yeah, I kinda do like seeing who contributes to the hacking community rather than games and chats.  Am I wrong for this?  Can we stop beating the dead horse?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
LordNoah, can you please explain the bottom line of your quoted post ?
Quote
Most members appear to feel that it's a reasonable change, and you are all being unreasonable, apparently for the sole reason that you can, because you have the power to.
What is a that "reasonnable change" which is the end and the goal of that noble fight ?
Remember, it wasn't about post counts. So what was it about ... ? Can you rewrite history ?


Quote
Miacis, I've been on a few boards where you had the option to hide your own post count, would something like that be possible here?
Nope. Nothing like that comes to my mind ...
And there's no mod for that either. :c


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on September 26, 2011, 03:40:00 PM
And yeah, I kinda do like seeing who contributes to the hacking community rather than games and chats.  Am I wrong for this?

No, there's nothing wrong with that. But the new postcounts don't accurately reflect that either. There's one person in particular in the Top 5 that you probably wouldn't consider as "contributing to the hacking community" but I shouldn't be pointing fingers here.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 03:43:10 PM
LordNoah, can you please explain the bottom line of your quoted post ?What is a that "reasonnable change" which is the end and the goal of that noble fight ?
Ah, the noble fight would be you ignoring your members.  It could have been about anything.
No, there&#039;s nothing wrong with that. But the new postcounts don&#039;t accurately reflect that either. There&#039;s one person in particular in the Top 5 that you probably wouldn&#039;t consider as "contributing to the hacking community" but I shouldn&#039;t be pointing fingers here.
this is true, but its better than what it was before.  I think we can move on?  Just tell people to report stuff in beyond's and DSX8's threads?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
Just tell people to report stuff in beyond's and DSX8's threads?
Or to report rule-breaking stuff wherever they see it?

Which we've been saying since the board was made?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 03:54:06 PM
Ah, the noble fight would be you ignoring your members.
Yup, we're still evil. Nice pirouette there.

Just tell people to report stuff in beyond's and DSX8's threads?
Which is something we've always told to do before and ah screw it, Vyse ninja'd me again. :ninja'd:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 03:55:26 PM
Or to report rule-breaking stuff wherever they see it?

Which we've been saying since the board was made?
Yes, but the original discussion after being derailed by countless dead horses was on spam on those boards in particular.
Thumbs up for the new moderating system. I'd like to compliment Vyse for constantly coming up with ways to improve this forum (was gone for a week due to sickness so I'm going to assume that was Vyse's idea if not then feel free to correct me).

Oh and just my two cents on the postcount issue:


Ever visited Beyond's thread, where people can fill several pages with things unrelated to the hacks currently in the making? Or maybe DSX8's thread which is constantly getting abused as a chat thread? How come with all the views those threads have none of this has ever been brought up in the whole postcount crusade? Do I smell the delicious smell of hypocrisy?

That is all, I don't care about postcounts, so I'm not going to suggest removing postcounts from those threads. I actually like how mine now accurately reflects my activity and interest in brawl hacking.
Yup, we're still evil. Nice pirouette there.
In that particular context I was referring to a past tense issue, so, no.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ~Sköll~ on September 26, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
Well moderators, admins and owners.. i just got one thing to say to you before i stop becoming a stalker kitty by making this post..

(http://i54.tinypic.com/21b9o35.jpg)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 26, 2011, 04:14:54 PM
... Cracker, you were really missing that green light, weren't you ? =_=


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
LordNoah, can you please explain the bottom line of your quoted post ?What is a that "reasonnable change" which is the end and the goal of that noble fight ?
Remember, it wasn't about post counts. So what was it about ... ? Can you rewrite history ?

Nope. Nothing like that comes to my mind ...
And there's no mod for that either. :c

Lame.

This post happening to ignore entire point as well as grammatical laws.
to quote myself again;I don't get what you don't get.  Is it the reading part?
And yeah, I kinda do like seeing who contributes to the hacking community rather than games and chats.  Am I wrong for this?  Can we stop beating the dead horse?

Its just you act like you did some noble act of justice, even though it didn't mater.

Post counts got brought back up by the recalculation, and for whatever reason its an iffy subject. There really isn't much to talk about, you just distorted the truth of what happened, and I corrected you.

Or to report rule-breaking stuff wherever they see it?

Which we've been saying since the board was made?

I haven't really done the new style of moderation yet, is everything working for it?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 26, 2011, 05:03:04 PM

you just distorted the truth of what happened, and I corrected you.
Could you pretty please point out where this happened?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on September 26, 2011, 05:30:00 PM
I'm curious, how come my post count went down by about 300?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 26, 2011, 05:32:05 PM
I'm curious, how come my post count went down by about 300?
Posts in off-topic don't count anymore.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: milliondollar mistake on September 26, 2011, 05:33:20 PM
Oh. Ok thank you.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 08:37:13 PM
I haven't really done the new style of moderation yet, is everything working for it?
There's been hardly any reports since I started it, but it seems to be fine on our end. Dunno how it's working for the users, but I didn't have any trouble in my testing, so we'll see.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 08:49:31 PM
There's been hardly any reports since I started it, but it seems to be fine on our end. Dunno how it's working for the users, but I didn't have any trouble in my testing, so we'll see.

Rediculously annoying to find posts we delete.

so I suggest warning them, then deleting the post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 08:51:11 PM
so I suggest warning them, then deleting the post.
That makes the PM link to the old location of the post instead of the new one in the Recycle Bin.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
That makes the PM link to the old location of the post instead of the new one in the Recycle Bin.

Then I guess its dumpster diving.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ℱira on September 26, 2011, 08:57:39 PM
speaking of the recycling bin
only the members are able to view the trash can right?

or maybe you can just post their whole quote in the pm


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 26, 2011, 09:00:26 PM
speaking of the recycling bin
only the members are able to view the trash can right?

or maybe you can just post their whole quote in the pm
? at the second part.

Only you can see your bin and I can only see mine.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ℱira on September 26, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
? at the second part.


i mean like the warned/moderated/muted post


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 09:02:43 PM
i mean like the warned/moderated/muted post

People will still see the title above your name, but unless you tell other people why, they wont know why you're warned.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ℱira on September 26, 2011, 09:04:29 PM

People will still see the title above your name, but unless you tell other people why, they wont know why you're warned.

thats a good point there

so maybe it should remain as it is now


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 09:24:00 PM
thats a good point there

so maybe it should remain as it is now

It is. ._.

Though it makes my job a little more of a pain, but I'll get used to it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on September 26, 2011, 09:57:42 PM
Why are some of you bringing up old issues? It's almost as if you want another flame war to happen.

I just want to say that bringing up old [censored] from the past, is not a very smart thing to do. I also thought that things from the past were irrelevant? Apparently not.

I just don't get the people who state they don't care, they never cared, they never will care, they only care on Saturdays, but you still talk about it?
Quoted for truth.

Now let's just let it go already. Does everything always have to be so dramatic? <_<
"KC MM
You'll come for the Hacks and stay for the Drama!"

Really, the new post counts are more accurate in measuring who's actually contributing to what this site was made for in the first point: hacking. It wasn't made to be a social networking site.
Sadly, not really.
Many people post spam as well as irrelevant and off-topic things all over the forum.
And because I feel like being dull, I'll say the most clear example is NaruZeldaMaster.

Oh, and there's the introductions sub-forum too, while some people post there to give an authentic welcome to new people, others post for the sake of posting and raising their post count...

Yes, we barely ever get any reports about the spam in these topics. I've even learnt about some of these threads just now. So when I'm saying something silly like "There won't be anymore Spam in any boards where posts are counted, we promise.", I am not "trying to work around the problem". I am just describing a reality that there doesn't seem to be many users that are concerned about that spam.

So if you want things to change, you'll need to be a man and use that report button whenever someone strays off. We don't always hand sanctionsfor reports, you know ? Sometimes, we just make a post in the topic to put things back into order.
But again, if nobody ever tells us until we're all here arguing at each other, we aint gonna go very far.
Now this is something that reminds me of a certain thing I wanted to discuss before...

What the hell?
Do staff people even check threads in all parts of the forum? And you know... actually do their job?
Do you guys have the initiative of checking new posts and new threads?

It gives me the impression that you just moderate if you happen to see it by chance in a thread you're interested in... Or maybe only pay attention when something's reported.

When I had the time some weeks ago, I roamed a little around the sections, checked a few threads, found rule-breaking posts and reported them.
I didn't even need to be searching, I just randomly checked the most recent page in a thread and found them... then how come mods don't do anything about them or even notice all the spam?

Users shouldn't be notifying the staff about everything... and the staff shouldn't rely on users reporting all that happens here.
I thought people in staff would at least have the common sense of "patrolling".

Also... "you'll need to be a man and use that report button"...
lolwut XD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 10:12:01 PM
...How much time do you think we have?

Either you don't appreciate just how large this forum is, or you're just being unreasonable. Of course we don't go around checking everything. You said yourself that you went looking

When I had the time

Which I know I don't have. I'm a senior CS major; my limited time here is largely spent working behind the scenes on stuff, like what I've done lately, and handling reports. I certainly don't have the luxury of looking around for extra stuff to do, especially when I don't care a bit about Brawl hacking anyway.

Report the stuff and we'll take care of it (assuming your report goes through; really gotta look into that). You're in the threads anyway, so why not?

Though maybe we will find a few people to be local mods instead of global, to "patrol" some high-traffic boards. It's something that needs to be discussed.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 26, 2011, 10:32:54 PM
Though maybe we will find a few people to be local mods instead of global, to "patrol" some high-traffic boards. It's something that needs to be discussed.
does sound like an idea. I would say that cause you guys need the help sometimes, and you arn't always available.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 26, 2011, 10:37:38 PM
Quoted for truth.
"KC MM
You'll come for the Hacks and stay for the Drama!"
Sadly, not really.
Many people post spam as well as irrelevant and off-topic things all over the forum.
And because I feel like being dull, I'll say the most clear example is NaruZeldaMaster.

Oh, and there's the introductions sub-forum too, while some people post there to give an authentic welcome to new people, others post for the sake of posting and raising their post count...
Now this is something that reminds me of a certain thing I wanted to discuss before...

What the hell?
Do staff people even check threads in all parts of the forum? And you know... actually do their job?
Do you guys have the initiative of checking new posts and new threads?

It gives me the impression that you just moderate if you happen to see it by chance in a thread you're interested in... Or maybe only pay attention when something's reported.

When I had the time some weeks ago, I roamed a little around the sections, checked a few threads, found rule-breaking posts and reported them.
I didn't even need to be searching, I just randomly checked the most recent page in a thread and found them... then how come mods don't do anything about them or even notice all the spam?

Users shouldn't be notifying the staff about everything... and the staff shouldn't rely on users reporting all that happens here.
I thought people in staff would at least have the common sense of "patrolling".

Also... "you'll need to be a man and use that report button"...
lolwut XD

Personally, I've never been on a forum with these omnipotent moderators who are everywhere at once, you should really lower your standards and realize that we're not being paid or rewarded for this. You seem to always say you're short on time, though I've yet to see it, maybe you should consider that there is a possibility you're not the only person in the world doing something.

but I digress, ungrateful people causing drama isn't exactly new here. Now as vyse said, were looking into a local moderator idea, but its going to take time to set up.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on September 26, 2011, 11:23:23 PM
...How much time do you think we have?

Either you don't appreciate just how large this forum is, or you're just being unreasonable. Of course we don't go around checking everything. You said yourself that you went looking
Yes, I dedicated a few minutes to check some threads, and it wasn't that much time to be honest but it was enough to find quite some things that needed to be reported...

I do know how many forums and sub-forums there are, but that's the reason why there's a group of moderators, because we can't (and I certainly don't) expect a couple of people to handle all the things that go on here.

But I think part of the problem is the people you have as moderators... some of them are not active, others don't really have much time to dedicate to this place, others don't even care much about the forums in general and only go to certain sections or threads.

I also wonder why you guys decided to have only global moderators... it would have worked better to keep mods for each section...
Making all the mods have the task of moderating globally makes mods address only some things and ignore everything else.
Imo, it would be more efficient to give each mod the task of looking after specific sub-forums.
Assigning the most active sub-forums to the most active mods and less active sub-forums to less active mods.

Which I know I don't have. I'm a senior CS major; my limited time here is largely spent working behind the scenes on stuff, like what I've done lately, and handling reports. I certainly don't have the luxury of looking around for extra stuff to do, especially when I don't care a bit about Brawl hacking anyway.
And we appreciate all that you do here, thanks.

Though maybe we will find a few people to be local mods instead of global, to "patrol" some high-traffic boards. It's something that needs to be discussed.
That's a good idea, and hope you can implement it, it would help you guys handle more parts of the forums.




Personally, I&#039;ve never been on a forum with these omnipotent moderators who are everywhere at once, you should really lower your standards and realize that we&#039;re not being paid or rewarded for this. You seem to always say you&#039;re short on time, though I&#039;ve yet to see it, maybe you should consider that there is a possibility you&#039;re not the only person in the world doing something.
Maybe you should stop assuming things and putting words in my mouth.
And I didn't know that wanting a group of moderators to be active enough and moderating was such a high standard.  r)

Also, please don't use the "we don't get paid or rewarded" argument, it's been used way too much. We all know it... we're in a hacking community, any person modding a game knows it and can say the same.
If you don't like people talking about how you do a "job" you "don't get paid or rewarded" for... simply don't pay attention to it, or don't do said job.

Oh, and "you have yet to see it"? lol
Since when do people have to prove things to you?

but I digress, ungrateful people causing drama isn&#039;t exactly new here. Now as vyse said, were looking into a local moderator idea, but its going to take time to set up.
Calling people ungrateful drama queens again? Geez...
The community loves you too Oizen...
Now please continue defending us from those evil bots that want to sell us things! D:
Or better yet, go troll someone in the family thread, I heard it's fun and one of your fave things to do.  ;)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 11:45:43 PM
I also wonder why you guys decided to have only global moderators... it would have worked better to keep mods for each section...
Making all the mods have the task of moderating globally makes mods address only some things and ignore everything else.
Imo, it would be more efficient to give each mod the task of looking after specific sub-forums.
Assigning the most active sub-forums to the most active mods and less active sub-forums to less active mods.
Global mods worked fine when the board was smaller, but the board has seen a bit of an explosive growth spurt in the past... six months or so? And we're still adjusting to that, I guess.

Honestly, that this forum is still alive, let alone this big, still surprises me if I stop to think about it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 26, 2011, 11:48:29 PM
If you dont mind me asking Vyse... How many Mods are currently "Active"?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 26, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
If you dont mind me asking Vyse... How many Mods are currently "Active"?
There are currently 6 global mods: Oizen, Vish, dRage, Segab, LookItsLink, and ds22.

In terms of "being on the forum," they've all been active in the past day, except LIL, who last appeared on the 21st -- less than a week ago.

In terms of "moderating the forum," however, it's a little different. Segab last did something 3 months ago; LIL hasn't done anything in 1.5. Though that's just according to the moderation log, which doesn't record usage of the Visual Warning system. So they may have been less visibly active; I'd have to check other records.

tl;dr: Looks like 4/6. Could be more.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 27, 2011, 02:41:53 AM

Rediculously annoying to find posts we delete.
Possible (temporary ?) solution : keep a copy of the deleted post before you delete it, then use the Serach function inside the Recycle Bin, with relevant pieces of said post.

Quote
When I had the time some weeks ago, I roamed a little around the sections, checked a few threads, found rule-breaking posts and reported them.
I didn't even need to be searching, I just randomly checked the most recent page in a thread and found them... then how come mods don't do anything about them or even notice all the spam?
All right. Comparison ? Let's compare our work then.

You : Roaming around the threads, finding rule-breaking stuff to report.

Me :
- Replying to my constant stream of moderation/admin-related PMs. Which includes typical forum questions, BV moderation and reports handling, and general [censored]ing.
- Approving Moderated posts.
- Taking care of Reports in the Reported Posts boards.
- Coming here on this thread to talk with you guys because we don't heartlessly ignore you anymore.
- Discussing new ideas or the implementation of new concepts for the boards 1) In the Admin section 2) on MSN with Vyse.
- Discussing more complicated cases of users to find suitable sanctions.
- Hunting some multi-accounts.
(- Taking care of awards.)
- There are also some conflicts where I personnally have to solve myself when the two opposite sides are completely closed to conversation. And believe me, this is the kinda task that takes the most time.


I am NOT complaining about my "job" here. It's truly an everyday pride and joy for me to come here and help this place, even when it gets tough sometimes.
I'm just reminding you that Admins and also Global moderators have much more to do these days than "just roaming around the boards". So yeah, if you guys can help us to do all of this a bit more quickly, it would be a great help, really. It's easy to just roam around the boards, but we're not just doing easy stuff.

So please compare what is comparable.

***

Also, yeah, we're starting to look for something like 5-6 local mods to patroll around the threads where we don't have the time to go. That should help to provide a good "neighboorhood moderation" while we take care of the bigger stuff, and ease the contact with users


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 27, 2011, 02:57:02 AM
You left out collage and being a loving Bf XD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 27, 2011, 03:27:04 AM
- There are also some conflicts where I personnally have to solve myself when the two opposite sides are completely closed to conversation. And believe me, this is the kinda task that takes the most time.

I might have an idea of what you're talking about there. :x

- Taking care of awards.

Miacis, could you check your PMs please.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Gamma Ridley on September 27, 2011, 10:39:02 AM
Sadly, not really.
Many people post spam as well as irrelevant and off-topic things all over the forum.
And because I feel like being dull, I'll say the most clear example is NaruZeldaMaster.

Oh, and there's the introductions sub-forum too, while some people post there to give an authentic welcome to new people, others post for the sake of posting and raising their post count...

You missed the part right under what you quoted.  ._.

That said, I think the main problem is people spamming it up in the On-Topic boards. We all know who that is. But there are other people who post meaningless comments like "Good :3" or "Smexy =D" or other nonsensical one-worded responses.

I agree with you, and I know it isn't perfect, because there are still people making those aforementioned one-worded posts just to boost their count.

But I still think it's an improvement on what it used to be. That's all.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 04:34:29 PM
Possible (temporary ?) solution : keep a copy of the deleted post before you delete it, then use the Serach function inside the Recycle Bin, with relevant pieces of said post.
All right. Comparison ? Let's compare our work then.

You : Roaming around the threads, finding rule-breaking stuff to report.

Me :
- Replying to my constant stream of moderation/admin-related PMs. Which includes typical forum questions, BV moderation and reports handling, and general [censored]ing.
- Approving Moderated posts.
- Taking care of Reports in the Reported Posts boards.
- Coming here on this thread to talk with you guys because we don't heartlessly ignore you anymore.
- Discussing new ideas or the implementation of new concepts for the boards 1) In the Admin section 2) on MSN with Vyse.
- Discussing more complicated cases of users to find suitable sanctions.
- Hunting some multi-accounts.
(- Taking care of awards.)
- There are also some conflicts where I personnally have to solve myself when the two opposite sides are completely closed to conversation. And believe me, this is the kinda task that takes the most time.


I am NOT complaining about my "job" here. It's truly an everyday pride and joy for me to come here and help this place, even when it gets tough sometimes.
I'm just reminding you that Admins and also Global moderators have much more to do these days than "just roaming around the boards". So yeah, if you guys can help us to do all of this a bit more quickly, it would be a great help, really. It's easy to just roam around the boards, but we're not just doing easy stuff.

So please compare what is comparable.

***

Also, yeah, we're starting to look for something like 5-6 local mods to patroll around the threads where we don't have the time to go. That should help to provide a good "neighboorhood moderation" while we take care of the bigger stuff, and ease the contact with users

What a hero. Although all of that doesnt sound too hard, just sounds like a long list. You also always have time for roaming/lurking and posting in the family thread so I really doubt there are any major difficulties in your job. And since supposedly most of the reports are from there, it's hard to believe you don't notice, since that's the board you frequent at most. Also I didnt make this but thought it fit in well here
(http://i56.tinypic.com/xawc3p.png[)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 27, 2011, 05:08:27 PM
What a hero. Although all of that doesnt sound too hard, just sounds like a long list. You also always have time for roaming/lurking and posting in the family thread so I really doubt there are any major difficulties in your job. And since supposedly most of the reports are from there, it's hard to believe you don't notice, since that's the board you frequent at most. Also I didnt make this but thought it fit in well here
([url]http://i56.tinypic.com/xawc3p.png[/url][)


So your hate really boils down to being butthurt about the existence of the family thread? Why bring up such an irrelevant detail?
Are we not allowed to enjoy the forum now?

Thats actually a lot of work believe it or not, especially for a forum thats nothing but a hobby.I honestly don't think you realize that there is nothing in this for us.
Theres no single way to do everything, and then there are people who seem to fight the staff for the sake of fighting power and nothing more. I mean the endless drama over something so stupid like post counts is a great example.

You guys take everything for granted.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 05:18:49 PM

So your hate really boils down to being butthurt about the existence of the family thread? Why bring up such an irrelevant detail?
Are we not allowed to enjoy the forum now?

Thats actually a lot of work believe it or not, especially for a forum thats nothing but a hobby.I honestly don't think you realize that there is nothing in this for us.
Theres no single way to do everything, and then there are people who seem to fight the staff for the sake of fighting power and nothing more. I mean the endless drama over something so stupid like post counts is a great example.

You guys take everything for granted.
What? How does this have anything to do with my hatred for the unneeded family thread that does nothing but cause drama and errors on the forums? Im simply stating that he really doesnt make it sound like much work running the place.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 27, 2011, 05:26:05 PM
Im simply stating that he really doesnt make it sound like much work running the place.
If we had all day to spend doing this, then no, it would not be a lot of work.

But that's not the case.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 05:29:49 PM
If we had all day to spend doing this, then no, it would not be a lot of work.

But that's not the case.
True story bro. Maybe you should find more people then. People who dont basically complain about being overworked/brag about all the stuff they do then state that theyre not complaining. And yeah you Oizen. You do the most here. A true hero. I can't take your level of hero-ocity for granted. Other people may but you battle through all the leachers and people who take it for granted and pull through and maintain a large crowd of fans that respect all the work you do here. Good job.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ℱira on September 27, 2011, 05:30:34 PM
What? How does this have anything to do with my hatred for the unneeded family thread that does nothing but cause drama and errors on the forums? Im simply stating that he really doesnt make it sound like much work running the place.
Oizen actually does going around warning people as a moderator so i think hes doing his job properly
besides its not like the family thread is going to kill you or something so why bother?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 27, 2011, 05:31:19 PM
What? How does this have anything to do with my hatred for the unneeded family thread that does nothing but cause drama and errors on the forums? Im simply stating that he really doesnt make it sound like much work running the place.

You DO realize we get more traffic to the rest of the boards by users and bots then the family right? The traffic to the family is actually kind of small compared to that. Most of our errors come from bots overflowing the servers.

and pretty much all the new additions to the forum required some level of custom coding to get them to work how we want. For example, without vyse we wouldn't have the moderation corner, or the new recycle bin, without miacis we wouldn't have a good award system

Its a bit more complicated then just installing the mods.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
Oizen actually does going around warning people as a moderator so i think hes doing his job properly
besides its not like the family thread is going to kill you or something so why bother?
Cool story bro. And of course it won't kill me but it does make my visits here less enjoyable. First that it feels creepy knowing Im on the same forums as people role playing and second that isnt it not partially the cause of the error 500? This isn't really family related though. I know how seriously you family members take the thread seriously but that's kinda irrelevent to the current discussion. But thank Oizen the best mod we have for setting the discussion over to the family thread :af:
Oh and yeah Oizen. What could we ever do without that award system? Bots. Yeah bots for sure. Couldnt possibly be anything else


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 27, 2011, 05:40:33 PM
isnt it not partially the cause of the error 500?
That's probably due more to having an average of 122 users online every day, half (or more) of them guests and bots.

I don't know our exact server specs, but I'm pretty sure they're not great. The 500 error is due to overall bandwidth shortages.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
That's probably due more to having an average of 122 users online every day, half (or more) of them guests and bots.

I don't know our exact server specs, but I'm pretty sure they're not great. The 500 error is due to overall bandwidth shortages.
Ah makes sense. Well thanks for clearing that up before Oizen the best mod ever/hero comes in and posts something very meaningful yet somewhat irrelevent


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 27, 2011, 05:45:45 PM
isnt it not partially the cause of the error 500?

You shouldn't believe everything you read in comics.

Oh and yeah Oizen. What could we ever do without that award system?

Does it matter?

Its still something we did for users here, and most people seem to like it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 05:48:04 PM

You shouldn't believe everything you read in comics.

Does it matter?

Its still something we did for users here, and most people seem to like it.
I must be a psychic. I predicted that you would come in with a very meaningful but somewhat irrelevent post. Can I be your sidekick, hero?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ᆘ유 | 유유 on September 27, 2011, 05:50:39 PM
I must be a psychic. I predicted that you would come in with a very meaningful but somewhat irrelevent post. Can I be your sidekick, hero?

Please explain its irrelevance, it took work to set up.

It doesn't matter if its necessary.  You could really say the exact same thing for almost every feature on the forums, including Brawl vault.

Now quit your trolling.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Seraph on September 27, 2011, 06:13:38 PM
Cool story bro. And of course it won't kill me but it does make my visits here less enjoyable. First that it feels creepy knowing Im on the same forums as people role playing
Welcome to the internet.
I don't see why it bothers you so much unless if your curiosity somehow forces you to read what they say.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 06:14:23 PM

Please explain its irrelevance, it took work to set up.

It doesn't matter if its necessary.  You could really say the exact same thing for almost every feature on the forums, including Brawl vault.

Now quit your trolling.
You tell me to not believe everything I read in then use your most common attack, post removal. Going to lock the topic next I assume? Also in case you removed it by accident I said that Im not trolling and really want to be your sidekick.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 27, 2011, 06:16:26 PM
You tell me to not believe everything I read in then use your most common attack, post removal. Going to lock the topic next I assume?
You shouldn't assume about who did what.

I see that Warning has had no effect on you whatsoever.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SJS on September 27, 2011, 06:25:58 PM
If the staff is swamped, get more staff. Or just assign some tasks to certain members.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 27, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
If the staff is swamped, get more staff. Or just assign some tasks to certain members.
That's what we're working on with Local Mods. We already have the people and system decided, just encountering a little technical difficulty with how the Warning system work.
And the idea was first mentionned less than 24 hours ago ... We really can't get any faster than that.

If we can't it get working in a timely manner, we'll have to opt for something a bit more risky for us and for the boards, but something that's working, as long as no Local Mod decides to abuse his powers.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 27, 2011, 06:42:38 PM
That's what we're working on with Local Mods. We already have the people and system decided, just encountering a little technical difficulty with how the Warning system work.
And the idea was first mentionned less than 24 hours ago ... We really can't get any faster than that.

If we can't it get working in a timely manner, we'll have to opt for something a bit more risky for us and for the boards, but something that's working, as long as no Local Mod decides to abuse his powers.
This sounds good, i like to see some people helping out on the forums. =D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on September 27, 2011, 06:43:45 PM
That's what we're working on with Local Mods. We already have the people and system decided, just encountering a little technical difficulty with how the Warning system work.
And the idea was first mentionned less than 24 hours ago ... We really can't get any faster than that.

If we can't it get working in a timely manner, we'll have to opt for something a bit more risky for us and for the boards, but something that's working, as long as no Local Mod decides to abuse his powers.
If you like Mia, I could try being a Mod. I know I don't have the proper experience, but I could always try.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 27, 2011, 06:48:31 PM
If you like Mia, I could try being a Mod. I know I don&#039;t have the proper experience, but I could always try.

KJP, could you please read this thread (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33549.msg692379#msg692379) and use it for that kind of question ?  :srs:

(No, regular users can't click on this link. Do not insist, it's pointless. >w>)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on September 27, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
KJP, could you please read this thread ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33549.msg692379#msg692379[/url]) and use it for that kind of question ?  :srs:

(No, regular users can't click on this link. Do not insist, it's pointless. >w>)
Ah. Sorry Mia.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 27, 2011, 07:01:53 PM
I would recommend highly trusted people that's done a good service to the site as a whole who has a good attitude about the system. I'd also put those people on a watch for a month or 2 to make sure they don't over extend thier powers. I'll admit it's hard finding a good helper that doesn't go power hungry... One of my friends went mad with his powers when I made him GM on my Ragnarok server in the past.. I removed his powers and he lashed at me.. had to ban him from the server because of how he acted.. to this day he still holds a gruge towards me cause of that...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 27, 2011, 07:04:01 PM
I would recommend highly trusted people that's done a good service to the site as a whole who has a good attitude about the system. I'd also put those people on a watch for a month or 2 to make sure they don't over extend thier powers. I'll admit it's hard finding a good helper that doesn't go power hungry... One of my friends went mad with his powers when I made him GM on my Ragnarok server in the past.. I removed his powers and he lashed at me.. had to ban him from the server because of how he acted.. to this day he still holds a gruge towards me cause of that...
I see people power mad on other sites before, i find them jerks and yes find a person who is trustworthy.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 07:25:41 PM
I see people power mad on other sites before, i find them jerks and yes find a person who is trustworthy.
Yeah I hate those power people. The ones who act like they ARE the law. Well I hope they find trustworthy people too


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 27, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
I do like the staff.
However, someone, like LookItsLink, isn't on as often as he used to be.
You should try to find at least 1 person to be a back-up since the rest of the staff is active.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ??_? on September 27, 2011, 07:27:05 PM
Ah, I'll have to politely decline this promotion ;)
Norly,  don't pick anyone stupid.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Seraph on September 27, 2011, 07:43:13 PM
I do like the staff.
However, someone, like LookItsLink, isn't on as often as he used to be.
You should try to find at least 1 person to be a back-up since the rest of the staff is active.
Segab as well, but I agree. My brother doesn't have near as much time as he used to, sadly.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 27, 2011, 07:56:47 PM
Segab as well, but I agree. My brother doesn't have near as much time as he used to, sadly.
I seen him acouple of times online last week, but yeah he hasn't been on in awhile.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Asuka on September 27, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
You missed the part right under what you quoted.  ._.
Oh, sorry... I didn't miss it, I misread due to the color of your font and interpreted it in another way, thought you were talking about the off-topic section there when you actually mentioned the on-topic.

And yes, I agree that it indeed is an improvement.

All right. Comparison ? Let's compare our work then.

You : Roaming around the threads, finding rule-breaking stuff to report.

Me :
- Replying to my constant stream of moderation/admin-related PMs. Which includes typical forum questions, BV moderation and reports handling, and general [censored]ing.
- Approving Moderated posts.
- Taking care of Reports in the Reported Posts boards.
- Coming here on this thread to talk with you guys because we don't heartlessly ignore you anymore.
- Discussing new ideas or the implementation of new concepts for the boards 1) In the Admin section 2) on MSN with Vyse.
- Discussing more complicated cases of users to find suitable sanctions.
- Hunting some multi-accounts.
(- Taking care of awards.)
- There are also some conflicts where I personnally have to solve myself when the two opposite sides are completely closed to conversation. And believe me, this is the kinda task that takes the most time.


I am NOT complaining about my "job" here. It's truly an everyday pride and joy for me to come here and help this place, even when it gets tough sometimes.
I'm just reminding you that Admins and also Global moderators have much more to do these days than "just roaming around the boards". So yeah, if you guys can help us to do all of this a bit more quickly, it would be a great help, really. It's easy to just roam around the boards, but we're not just doing easy stuff.

So please compare what is comparable.
Huh? When did it became a comparison game?
First of all, "my work"? I'm a regular user, not a global or local mod, not an admin.
As a mere user I don't have any responsibility or "work to do" beyond not breaking the rules, so really... How can we even start comparing penis amount of work size?

The main point of what you quoted from my post is that "patrolling" isn't as time consuming as it may seem.
Specially because keeping your eye on this site is not a one-man-army job, there's a staff group.


And since you took your time to give me a listing of all the hard work you do, then I think it's fair that I take my time to acknowledge it and reply with my appreciation and doubts of what you do here.

"- Replying to my constant stream of moderation/admin-related PMs. Which includes typical forum questions, BV moderation and reports handling, and general [censored]ing."

I don't have any way to know how many PMs you get, so I trust you if you say they are too many...
But it's clear that you don't reply to many of them. It has even been said so here and in the family thread.


"- Approving Moderated posts."

I wonder if you have to do many things to approve those posts or if it's a matter of 1-2 clicks.
And I thought mods could approve those too... and considering there usually aren't many people in the moderated status at the same time and that some of them prefer to not post while moderated....
I assume it wouldn't take much time to approve.


"- Taking care of Reports in the Reported Posts boards."

That's a topic that has been discussed before... you say the amount of reports is highly variable... and again, that's something all the staff deals with, not only you... so I don't think that drains much of your time... but how would I know.


"- Coming here on this thread to talk with you guys because we don't heartlessly ignore you anymore."

The only thing I can say about that is that you answer more of my concerns here than through PMs.


"- Discussing new ideas or the implementation of new concepts for the boards 1) In the Admin section 2) on MSN with Vyse."

I wonder if those discussions take place daily and if they take too long...
And the new ideas and implementation of things aren't that constant... I mean, it's just recently that we've seen clear changes and implementation of new stuff.


"- Discussing more complicated cases of users to find suitable sanctions."

I suppose you make a thread in the staff section about a certain problematic user and discuss it there...
If that's the case then probably you post a little about it each day, instead of discussing everything there is and taking action the same day.


"- Hunting some multi-accounts."

And you do this because...?
Last time I checked, multi-accounts were allowed again.


"(- Taking care of awards.)"

An unneeded additional thing to the forums that doesn't take priority, and aside from granting awards to the ones who rightfully request them... I don't think there are many things you need to handle about that daily... but the again, I don't know what you do with awards aside from giving them.
I only see it as highly time consuming when you needed to update the pictures or descriptions. Or the first time assigning them to the majority of active users.


"- There are also some conflicts where I personnally have to solve myself when the two opposite sides are completely closed to conversation. And believe me, this is the kinda task that takes the most time."

I don't know what you specifically mean, but I have a clear idea of what.
If it's related to the forums and has an impact in them, then thanks for doing it.
If it's more of a personal thing between users, then moderating if it derives into rule-breaking should be your only concern.
You can tell the persons implicated in that kind of thing to simply avoid each other, it's not like you have to be the mediator in fights (that tend to be ridiculous) between users.

Oh, and the thing about complaining about the "job" wasn't even directed at you anyways.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 27, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
So are we arguing for the sake of arguing, or...?

It's very easy to understate our work when you're not the one doing it. It's very easy to say that we should have time when you know nothing about us. This isn't accomplishing anything.

We already admitted, about 3 pages ago, that we haven't been keeping a tight rein on the busier boards and that we're working on remedying the problem. I don't see why this discussion is still going on, apart from sheer, directionless belligerence.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 27, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
So are we arguing for the sake of arguing, or...?

It's very easy to understate our work when you're not the one doing it. It's very easy to say that we should have time when you know nothing about us. This isn't accomplishing anything.

We already admitted, about 3 pages ago, that we haven't been keeping a tight rein on the busier boards and that we're working on remedying the problem. I don't see why this discussion is still going on, apart from sheer, directionless belligerence.
Yes we are quite belligerent. Actually...do I have permission to make a thread all about this kind of stuff? Where we can just complain all day and nobody gets in trouble? I mean for like off topic and stuff. Of course rules apply and stuff but I mean people can just say whatever belligerent stuff we want and not get in trouble. Sounds like a blast.  please dont moderate me for asking this question


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 28, 2011, 12:39:20 AM
I thought adding mods was gonna be a team decision, yet everyone is throwing in their two cents?

Look! There's people promoting themselves, and being sycophants.

Everything I predicted last night, it's coming true.

Vyse, you owe me twenty dollars.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 28, 2011, 01:18:02 AM
Huh?  Not really. Just stating how things should go since I used to be a GM and all..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 28, 2011, 01:22:23 AM
Huh?  Not really. Just stating how things should go since I used to be a GM and all..

I wasn't talking about you, Rydia. I've been a GM as well, over at InfinityMugenTeam. Cheers!


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 28, 2011, 02:37:15 AM
It's very easy to understate our work when you're not the one doing it. It's very easy to say that we should have time when you know nothing about us. This isn't accomplishing anything.
Exactly. We're remedying on that and fining people to help us moderate place we don't have time to go moderate.

cx_asuka, I'm not going to reply in detail to all you said because really, it's just nothing but trying to belittle our work. It's the addition of all these things that makes us waste time and not roam around the forum like surveillance bots.

Just three things:
Quote
Last time I checked, multi-accounts were allowed again.
There's a clause about sanction transfer. So when we have a member who's using multis just to troll, and got them banned, it's interesting to know who's behind it and transfer the sanction.

Quote
An unneeded additional thing to the forums that doesn't take priority
Unneeded .. ? Huh ... Well, I guess it depends on the PoV. I guess it's as unneeded as lowering taxes in a country. It makes some users happy, and that's what we're for, right ?

You can tell the persons implicated in that kind of thing to simply avoid each other, it&#039;s not like you have to be the mediator in fights (that tend to be ridiculous) between users.
Well, that's a good one ... "just tell them to avoid each other". I wish it was that simple.  r)
When a conflict has repercussions on the boards, and can implicate other users, I get to the bottom of things to avoid doing major blunders. When it's clear that there's something bad going on between 2 users, the last thing to do is to sanction blindly.
Because with that kind of attitude, you'll get a mass of users who have "sided" with either side, blustering about power abuse.

So yeah, thanks for the advice, but I think I'm going to keep doing my job a bit more smartly than a warning bot.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 07:01:33 AM
I got Vyse's message.
I gladly accept.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 07:36:02 AM
Well then heres your first duty xD... Erase this blank topic.. http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33587.0


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 08:02:08 AM
Well then heres your first duty xD... Erase this blank topic.. [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33587.0[/url]

I haven't been knighted yet :srs:
And besides, he offered me "Off-Topic" and its sub-boards.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on September 28, 2011, 08:29:30 AM
Well then heres your first duty xD... Erase this blank topic.. [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33587.0[/url]


What is this I don't even

*deleted*


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 28, 2011, 09:32:28 AM
What is this I don't even

*deleted*
Wait, what ? I always have an error whenever I try and erase these ghost topics ! o.o
Oh wait, did you just move it ?  :-\


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: dRage on September 28, 2011, 09:39:07 AM
Wait, what ? I always have an error whenever I try and erase these ghost topics ! o.o
Oh wait, did you just move it ?  :-\

Nah, I deleted it. I was honestly surprised myself, though. I usually get the same error but it worked flawlessly this time.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 10:22:07 AM
Could it have been a 500 error, and it just got double created when he refreshed?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 28, 2011, 10:24:45 AM
Could it have been a 500 error, and it just got double created when he refreshed?
No, it's an error that's linked to the author deleting his thread. I think it happens if they delete their post while the first other poster is trying to answer it.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 10:35:28 AM
No, it's an error that's linked to the author deleting his thread. I think it happens if they delete their post while the first other poster is trying to answer it.
hmm.. intresting.. Good to know..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Albafika on September 28, 2011, 10:36:35 AM
No, it's an error that's linked to the author deleting his thread. I think it happens if they delete their post while the first other poster is trying to answer it.
A ghost topic, huh.

Anyways, gratz Seggy. <3


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 11:02:34 AM
Anyways, gratz Seggy. <3
Tank you Weenie :3
I haven't been made a mod yet. I got the email from Vyse before I woke up, so I have to wait.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 11:41:13 AM
Hey about the bots thing in general.. Why do we need some of them? I remember you said some were good for publicity, but doesn't kc have enough already from all it's users with different forums and YouTube videos etc?.. That's what's causing the 500 errors amirite?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 28, 2011, 12:14:09 PM
Hey about the bots thing in general.. Why do we need some of them? I remember you said some were good for publicity, but doesn't kc have enough already from all it's users with different forums and YouTube videos etc?.. That's what's causing the 500 errors amirite?

Ha, I never thought about it that way. Maybe we could do with less publicity...

Anyway. We've recruited our moderators. Still waiting on two responses, but I'll announce who we've got so far.

Moderating Vertex Hacks and Requests, it's Beyond (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2454) and Majora (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2506)!

Moderating Attack/Animation Hacks and its sub-boards, it's the dynamic duo of SDoom (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3668) and KingJigglypuff (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3284)!

And moderating Off-Topic and its sub-boards, it's the always-lovely Vanna White Segtendo (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1681)!

Good luck, and Godspeed.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on September 28, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
I noticed a button called "Spilt Topic".  What does this mean?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Vyse on September 28, 2011, 12:27:30 PM
I noticed a button called "Spilt Topic".  What does this mean?
Basically, you can break one topic into two, with the new topic starting at the post you clicked on.

It's a little more complicated -- iirc, it lets you choose which posts get split off -- but that's the gist.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 12:30:55 PM
I noticed a button called "Spilt Topic".  What does this mean?
It's like a copy/paste type if thing for whole topics right?.. lol nvm Anyway I'm sure there's answers in the mod side for the forums.. =P..

O and congrats to all the new mods!.. =D


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on September 28, 2011, 12:39:50 PM
Hooray!  New mods!
*throws confetti*

Congrats to all of you!  I know you all will do a fantastic job of keeping your respective boards under control.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 28, 2011, 12:46:51 PM
Congratulations to the new mods! Not sure who made it besides Segtendo, too lazy to read, but I'm sure the team chose wisely, and not based on friendships, and [censored] like that.

May we have a better, more organized forum!

Also, let's kill all the bots and noobs right now, so we don't have Error 500.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ピカノ on September 28, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
If you don't like people talking about how you do a "job" you "don't get paid or rewarded" for... simply don't pay attention to it, or don't do said job.

I would just like to say... be careful with saying that.

You have no idea how many of the staff members have apologized to me, saying that they wanted to quit. Many of them irreplaceable in the fact that I felt I could trust them with access to features that could easily break the site.

And as far as anyone else that could be hired... I actually actively discourage anyone who wants to be staff, of anything. As a friend once said, "Never staff a convention you actually enjoy".


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on September 28, 2011, 01:44:20 PM
Congratulations to the new mods! Not sure who made it besides Segtendo, too lazy to read, but I'm sure the team chose wisely, and not based on friendships, and [censored] like that.

May we have a better, more organized forum!

Also, let's kill all the bots and noobs right now, so we don't have Error 500.

Just so you know, the new mods are only board specific. 

Beyond and Majora are mods of the Vertex Board and its subsections
KJ and myself are mods of the Attack and Animation Board and its subsections
Seg is the mod of the Off Topic Discussion Board and its subsections

It even says below the board's name on the mainpage XD


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on September 28, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
I was offered the Attack section but turned it down, since I haven't visited that section in a month or so. And even longer since I've dropped out of animations.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 28, 2011, 02:08:23 PM
Just so you know, the new mods are only board specific.  

Beyond and Majora are mods of the Vertex Board and its subsections
KJ and myself are mods of the Attack and Animation Board and its subsections
Seg is the mod of the Off Topic Discussion Board and its subsections

It even says below the board's name on the mainpage XD

Yeah, I know that sir.

I reccomended to one of the Administrators, to have the most knowledgeable people of each section, take care of their respective section.

It only makes sense.

Feel bad for Segtendo having to take care of Off Topic section though. [censored] is madness over there.

EDIT: Wow. Why is he the only one taking care of that section? That is probably the most viewed or visited section of all, including the three sub boards, within the Off Topic Section.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 02:11:06 PM
Yeah, I know that sir.

I reccomended to one of the Administrators, to have the most knowledgeable people of each section, take care of their respective section.

It only makes sense.

Feel bad for Segtendo having to take care of Off Topic section though. [censored] is madness over there.
Yea i agree.. But I'm sure he'll manage, it's experience either way..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Miacis on September 28, 2011, 02:12:39 PM
EDIT: Wow. Why is he the only one taking care of that section? That is probably the most viewed or visited section of all, including the three sub boards, within the Off Topic Section.
There's a second Mod position there. We're just waiting for an answer.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 28, 2011, 02:18:09 PM
Yea i agree.. But I'm sure he'll manage, it's experience either way..

He also takes care of BrawlVault reports, so holy [censored] talk about a lot of work. He'll pull through, I know it.

There's a second Mod position there. We're just waiting for an answer.

Yep.. Vyse already told me. Looks like you guys got it under control already.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 02:22:21 PM
He also takes care of BrawlVault reports, so holy [censored] talk about a lot of work. He'll pull through, I know it.
O_o... wow... O ok good he has help i was gonna say...  :srs:.. lol


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 02:37:40 PM
Congratulations to the new mods! Not sure who made it besides Segtendo, too lazy to read, but I'm sure the team chose wisely, and not based on friendships, and [censored] like that.

Me, SDo0m, Beyond, Majora, and KJP. :af:

Feel bad for Segtendo having to take care of Off Topic section though. [censored] is madness over there.

EDIT: Wow. Why is he the only one taking care of that section? That is probably the most viewed or visited section of all, including the three sub boards, within the Off Topic Section.
I know :srs:
Lotta [censored] goes down there.
Hope the other person responds.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on September 28, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=22726
Stolen.

And jason something else report everytime my "Metal Mario SSB64' Stage.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 04:11:10 PM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=22726[/url]
Stolen.

And jason something else report everytime my "Metal Mario SSB64' Stage.

Yep. Totally stolen.
That was done by FairKnight, originally, but post that in the BrawlVault thread.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: ItalianStallion on September 28, 2011, 04:17:14 PM
Yep. Totally stolen.
That was done by FairKnight, originally, but post that in the BrawlVault thread.

Damn you ninja!

Oh how I miss Fairknight and his New York stories..


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on September 28, 2011, 04:26:01 PM
but post that in the BrawlVault thread.
...fail.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 04:27:21 PM
...fail.
Fail? Me? How?


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Nuke on September 28, 2011, 04:50:49 PM
We have another winner.. --> =D (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33633.0)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on September 28, 2011, 05:19:45 PM
Fail? Me? How?
Me :srs:
I fail to post on this thread.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 05:33:56 PM
We have another winner.. --> =D ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33633.0[/url])

What is with these ghost topics lately?
Me :srs:
I fail to post on this thread.

Oh. Okay.

Also, http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33640.0
What the hell is this [censored]?
I locked it, but WHAT THE HELL.

SmashHackers, show your face. You've showed me this before.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Zelia on September 28, 2011, 05:39:18 PM
Also, [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33640.0[/url]
What the hell is this [censored]?
I locked it, but WHAT THE HELL.

Am scared, that is all. D:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: DrPanda on September 28, 2011, 05:40:22 PM
 Also, [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33640.0[/url] What the hell is this [censored]?

KittyLeaks: Humorously challenged addition! :o

Quote from: Da Rules
Spamming: Posting worthless topics or messages that contribute nothing to the topic of the forum or thread.

r)


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: KTH on September 28, 2011, 05:41:17 PM
Wow....Thank you for my WTF Picture of the day.
The most strange was the member post 0 messages...And he already post one.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 05:54:21 PM
r)
That's what I reported it for...


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on September 28, 2011, 05:58:52 PM
Wow....Thank you for my WTF Picture of the day.
The most strange was the member post 0 messages...And he already post one.

His one post was in the Off-topic boards, so it didn't count.
Funny to think that people can go around posting and still be Stalker Kitties :laugh:


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 05:59:47 PM
His one post was in the Off-topic boards, so it didn't count.

No. He posted in stage requests before that post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Victory Badguy on September 28, 2011, 06:01:02 PM
No. He posted in stage requests before that post.

Really?  Didn't catch that.  I guess something glitched up then.

Disregard my previous post.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 28, 2011, 06:01:38 PM
What is with these ghost topics lately?Oh. Okay.

Also, [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=33640.0[/url]
What the hell is this [censored]?
I locked it, but WHAT THE HELL.

SmashHackers, show your face. You've showed me this before.

Haha XD You know the guy who drew my profile pic? Yeah that was him lol. Sorry, I apologize for his bizarre and unreadable drawings. I think it translates to something about Miacis banning people but it's pretty unreadable


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: Segtendo on September 28, 2011, 06:02:38 PM
Haha XD You know the guy who drew my profile pic? Yeah that was him lol. Yeah I apologize for his bizarre and unreadable drawings. I think it translates to something about Miacis banning people but it's pretty unreadable
Alright, at least you're honest about him.


Title: Re: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]
Post by: SmashHackers on September 28, 2011, 06:08:13 PM
Alright, at least you're honest about him.
Warning you in advance, he just told me his intentions to make more posts so please dont blame me
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