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Title: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on July 31, 2011, 08:42:21 PM
After years of fighting Ganondorf with the master sword and other various equipment, link has decided to take up magic. What kind of magic? The Tales Of kind of course! This moveset is one that I have planned after I finish updating Dark Super Sonic. (He's about 75% finished atm, just needs air A's, specials, and FS) I'll be trying some new stuff with graphics and articals, yippie.

A Combo: A few quick slashes, they're different than his normal slashes
Side Tilt: Demon Fang,  a basic arte he couldn't pass up.
Side Tilt B: Double Demon Fang, press A+B to launch two demon fangs :)
Up Tilt: A custom spell, he slashes his sword upward in an arch and releases a shockwave.
Down Tilt: The same

Air A's: The same

Up Smash: Ground Dagger, using his megaton hammer link will slam his trusty sledge from Ocarina of Time into the ground with a great force. Causing spiked pillars of stone to rize up on both sides and attack the enemies many times.
Side Smash: Raging Beast
Down Smash: Gravity Well

Up Special: The same but it only spins once and the charging animation/stance will be like in twilight princess.
Down Special: Lightning Blade
Side Special: Sword Rain Alpha, he will continue to slash away until you let go of the B button.
Neutral Special: Hurricane: A custom spell in which link raises his sword into the air in order to sumon a mighty vortex of wind that slices through enemies.
Final Smash: Ultimate Dins Fire: Link will perform the stance for his spell Dins Fire, and then unleash a huge vortex of flames that covers a good part of the screen!

Stats:
Weight: about average, a little lighter than DK
Speed: pretty decent now that he's not lugging all that extra equipment around. He'll move about as fast as mario.
Air Maneuverability: Dunno, probably closer to Lucario or Fox's
Size: about ganondorf's size


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Tempo_ on July 31, 2011, 09:06:46 PM
Needs moar SATSUGEKI BUKOUKEN!


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: LKR000 on August 01, 2011, 06:35:29 AM
Sounds like an interesting project. Good luck with it :D


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 01, 2011, 06:53:32 AM
Needs moar SATSUGEKI BUKOUKEN!

Your excitedness for this project amuses me =_=;

Eh I'll be using effects from various pokemon if I'm lucky, like entei's graphic for his FS =3
Also some Assist trophy graphics might be used too. Knuckle Joe's fist blur will be good for raging beast. Or I could use the one from the lloyd psa...


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: JamietheAuraUser on August 01, 2011, 12:16:10 PM
Yep, definitely needs more [Stahnvoice]SATSUGEKI BUKOUKEN![/Stahnvoice] Or just [Regalvoice]Final Fury![/Regalvoice] You could call his FS Final Fury: Din's Inferno! You know, since everyone always has a subtitle for that move. It starts like Stahn's with all the fire-elemental aerial attacks and ends with a dive and a giant Din's Fire explosion! /randomness

On a more serious note:

Neutral-B doesn't need a custom Hurricane spell, there's already Tempest from ToV. It's just a massive tornado with a blast of lightning descending through the centre. The tornado pulls enemies in so they're hit by the lightning, then it blows them away. You could just look up a Tales of Vesperia Raven Arte Exhibition on Youtube. I'd link you to one with the time and everything, but I can't watch Youtube on this computer.

And for up tilt... Maybe Tiger Blade? Or a purely vertical Tempest? (As in, the Strike Arte, rather than the spell. They call it Tempest Strike in games that have both the spell and the Arte.)


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Royal_Blade on August 01, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
Interesting Idea...

Down Aerial should be Thunder Blade. Works like Toon Links Dair, has a but longer ending lag but with a multi-hit electric effect when he lands.

Also, It's "Gound Dasher" not Dagger...

Up Smash should be Spread or Grave.

Up Special should be like Giga Bowsers, on the ground, it's Ice Tornado. In the air, victory light spear.
OR
Severing Wind.

Down Special could be Absolute or Prisim Sword.

And the Final Smash could be "Triforce Unison". (Custom Move)
Link would start off Like Triforce Slash but doesn't dash at them.
Instead he slashes once with Fire. (Representing Power)
Slashes a second time with Aura (Representing Wisdom)
He raises his sword charging with energy
Then, he overhead slashes with with the master sword with Light (Representing Courage) shattering the triforce and sending the enemy flying.

...And I plan on including "Tempest" into my Raven moveset...


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 01, 2011, 01:43:46 PM
For one, I'm using the Tales of Symphonia games as my reference for the spells. The other Tales of games aren't related to this psa at all. As that would make my arte selection quite difficult.

For the Side B, I may use the form of tempest that Emil uses, where he flies forward in the air and slashes at his enemies while spinning around in a circle.

I like the idea of the up smash being Spread, dunno how I'm going to get those graphics though. Spread if I remember straight was several pillars of water shooting out from the ground right?

Down Air could be the brawl variant of the NORMAL lightning blade. Down B air could be the version of lightning blade that summons the giant sword made of lightning. (I think that's thunderblade) That Zelose uses.

Forward Air could probably be Sword Rain and the forward A could be sword rain Alpha.
The A combo could probably be Demon fang in it's various forms. (Demon Fang, Double Demon Fang, Feirce Demon Fang in that order)

I think Rising Pheonix may be better for the up B as it covers both sides while acending.

The Final smash is still in the concept stages. It WILL be a custom spell, and it WONT resemble any exsisting spell in the series.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: xxmasal22xx on August 17, 2011, 08:28:32 AM
If this is a success, NaruZeldaMaster, I think you should make Richter's PSA once im done with Rigging his model. Waddaya say? lol

Anyways, these are all interesting ideas, and i deffinatley support this project. One concern of mine, however, is that it will be too Over-Powered. Just keep all the damages the same for now and let a few people test it out with feedback, and only change the damages for the moves they say, and what they say. Just a suggestion.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 17, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
Link won't be op-ed if he's up against the richter and LLoyd psa's XD

BTW I looked through some arte exibition videos and decided on a final smash and changed a few things around.

A combo: Unchanged
Tilts: Unchanged

U Air A: Marth's Up Smash animation but with the sword in the opposite hand (I will need to make this animation from scratch though >_<)
Side Air A: Sonic Thrust <3
Down Air A: Lightning Blade, tap A button to chain this move AKA SPAMMM IN A FRICKIN CANNNN XD

N Air A: unchanged

U Smash: Photon: Link enters a reversed version of zelos's spell casting stance(because link holds his shield/sword in the opposite hands that Zelose does) in order to charge up for a release of the photon spell. The ball of light appears at the tip of the blade and does fire damage. And yes, I KNOW it's a light arte, but there are no "light" flags in brawl except for pits arrows which don't seem to do anything special.
Damage(Instant): 3% up to five times Damage (Half charge): 5% up to four times Damage(full charge): 7% damage up to three times.

D Smash: Spread: Link enters zelos's spell casting stance before unleashing spread.
Graphics will hopefully be whatever squirtle uses in his up-b and damage and range will increase in size depending on the charge.
Damage(Instant): 5% with short range Damage(Half charge): 10% with medium range Damage(Full charge): 15% with a balanced range (inbetween the short and medium range)

Side Smash: Hell Pyre: Link leaps upward then downward without sending a fireball toward his enemy. Similar to Zelos's animation.
Damage(Instant): 4% Damage (Half charge): 8% Damage (Full charge): 12% + a bit more knockback.

U Special: Light Spear: Zelos's Light spear from TOS2: Will hopefully be chargable and have different ranges and damage depending on the charge. For the beta it will be a basic upgrade to his normal up b with a new animation + graphics.

D Special: Heal: Link enters Zelos's spell casting stance while checking his damage level.
If his damage level is over 75% he recovers 5%
If his Damage level is over 100% he recovers 10%
If his damage is under 75% he recovers 3% for a few frames.

S Special: Grand Chariot: Link will throw his boomerang and summon lightning (about the same as Collete's Grand Chariot) to attack the opponent with <3

Final Smash: I thought it over and figured I'd give him three seperate FS's for you guys to choose from ^+^ This way you could pick one to use with your favorite spell :D

Option one: Dins Wrath: Link casts a super powered version of dins fire after charging it up for a while. Will have lots of range but only hits three or four times.

Option two: Faroes Rage: Link casts an offensive variant of Faroes wind. Let's hope Lloyd and Ricther don't get blown away in the chaos lol

Option three: Nayru's Anger: A super charged variant of Zelda's neutral b with more range, knockback, and lightning damage. Link also recovers 25% health due to nayru's "love"

On another note: Demon Fang/Double Demon fang, I will need some help programing this one since I don't know how to use "offsets" that well. I'll probably do the animations though <3


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Royal_Blade on August 17, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
I would like to see how this PSA would actually turn out.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 17, 2011, 07:55:38 PM
I would like to see how this PSA would actually turn out.

It may take me a while, but I swear I'm going to finish it >-< Link has one of the most forgiving filesize limits and external graphics posibilities in the entire roster~

Thankfully I won't have to change his side special too much XD just make it so that he only throws it in one direction (Straight forward) and change the graphics/damage around some :D

I'm not sure if I'll be able to put the demon fangs in the beta version. But I'll at least have the animations and blade damage done >_<

Can anyone get me a list of links Sound Effect ID's? Just the ones for his voice effects I mean, please and thankyou <3


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 18, 2011, 04:13:05 PM
Sorry for double posting but meh...I made that post yesterday...

Anyway, does anyone know what external graphic the light lines are for Marth and/or Ike's entry animations are?

Not the circles that apear underneath them, just the lines of light that appear. I think they're a seperate graphic, and hopefully they are.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 18, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
Sorry for double posting but meh...I made that post yesterday...

Anyway, does anyone know what external graphic the light lines are for Marth and/or Ike's entry animations are?

Not the circles that apear underneath them, just the lines of light that appear. I think they're a seperate graphic, and hopefully they are.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Ultraxwing on August 18, 2011, 04:14:36 PM
They Are Seperate Graphics i Believe.

or apart of the Model of that Circle.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Royal_Blade on August 18, 2011, 05:15:23 PM
I think they're part of the model for the glyph.

I'm pretty sure but not 100%...


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 18, 2011, 05:38:32 PM
Hmm, maybe just use the glyph as a whole then and edit the design?

The mark for the circle can be totally different thanks to some brushes and tricks I can use in photoshop >=D


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: xxmasal22xx on August 27, 2011, 06:15:48 AM
Link won't be op-ed if he's up against the richter and LLoyd psa's XD

BTW I looked through some arte exibition videos and decided on a final smash and changed a few things around.

A combo: Unchanged
Tilts: Unchanged

U Air A: Marth's Up Smash animation but with the sword in the opposite hand (I will need to make this animation from scratch though >_<)
Side Air A: Sonic Thrust <3
Down Air A: Lightning Blade, tap A button to chain this move AKA SPAMMM IN A FRICKIN CANNNN XD

N Air A: unchanged

U Smash: Photon: Link enters a reversed version of zelos's spell casting stance(because link holds his shield/sword in the opposite hands that Zelose does) in order to charge up for a release of the photon spell. The ball of light appears at the tip of the blade and does fire damage. And yes, I KNOW it's a light arte, but there are no "light" flags in brawl except for pits arrows which don't seem to do anything special.
Damage(Instant): 3% up to five times Damage (Half charge): 5% up to four times Damage(full charge): 7% damage up to three times.

D Smash: Spread: Link enters zelos's spell casting stance before unleashing spread.
Graphics will hopefully be whatever squirtle uses in his up-b and damage and range will increase in size depending on the charge.
Damage(Instant): 5% with short range Damage(Half charge): 10% with medium range Damage(Full charge): 15% with a balanced range (inbetween the short and medium range)

Side Smash: Hell Pyre: Link leaps upward then downward without sending a fireball toward his enemy. Similar to Zelos's animation.
Damage(Instant): 4% Damage (Half charge): 8% Damage (Full charge): 12% + a bit more knockback.

U Special: Light Spear: Zelos's Light spear from TOS2: Will hopefully be chargable and have different ranges and damage depending on the charge. For the beta it will be a basic upgrade to his normal up b with a new animation + graphics.

D Special: Heal: Link enters Zelos's spell casting stance while checking his damage level.
If his damage level is over 75% he recovers 5%
If his Damage level is over 100% he recovers 10%
If his damage is under 75% he recovers 3% for a few frames.

S Special: Grand Chariot: Link will throw his boomerang and summon lightning (about the same as Collete's Grand Chariot) to attack the opponent with <3

Final Smash: I thought it over and figured I'd give him three seperate FS's for you guys to choose from ^+^ This way you could pick one to use with your favorite spell :D

Option one: Dins Wrath: Link casts a super powered version of dins fire after charging it up for a while. Will have lots of range but only hits three or four times.

Option two: Faroes Rage: Link casts an offensive variant of Faroes wind. Let's hope Lloyd and Ricther don't get blown away in the chaos lol

Option three: Nayru's Anger: A super charged variant of Zelda's neutral b with more range, knockback, and lightning damage. Link also recovers 25% health due to nayru's "love"

On another note: Demon Fang/Double Demon fang, I will need some help programing this one since I don't know how to use "offsets" that well. I'll probably do the animations though <3

I like what you have changed there. For the side tilts however, I feel that Converging Fury is a must. If not that then something similar to it. That move just fits for a side tilt too well to ignore. As for the Entry, Link should Jupm onto the stage, then put his hand to his chest, and become posessed with mythical power or something. I think it would be kinda epic to add a glowing effect around him too, just for more show. These are only my thoughts however, feel free to do what you see fit, after all, it IS your PSA.

Hey, you never really mentioned your thoughts on helping with Richter's PSA. Not trying to bug you, just want to scrape up some resources for when the time comes.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 27, 2011, 07:23:21 AM
I actually haven't even started animating this XP
(I'm procrastinating this cause some of zelos's moves are difficult, like hell pyre, he jumps then he attacks :l )

The only problem animating the spell casting is that it'll look stiff.
Well, the spell casting stances look kinda stiff anyway except collete, who flops her arms like noodles =_=;

and no, no possession [censored], Links a good guy :P and the only possesion I would like would be Oni link, but dat ain't gonna happen. unless I could somehow port him over sonic and use Oni-link as the super sonic model XP

Not really interested in Richter, I honestly didn't like his character much :l now, Kratos on the other hand, that might be a posibility, cause he's [censored]in epic >=D I mean, besides the whole "darth vader" plot bunny for Lloyd. But still XD


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Ryuu Seika on August 27, 2011, 11:05:58 AM
There's no need to make a jump for Hell Pyre. For the Aerial version he's already in the air (though he'll need a little up and backwards boost from the throw) and on the ground you can have him use Chester's bow version. Infact, all you'd need for the latter is a few effects on Toon Link's fire arrows.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Royal_Blade on August 27, 2011, 11:26:01 AM
You guys know that he doesn't jump?

He spin-slashes upwards then a second slash releasing the fireball. Both air and ground versions look like that.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Ryuu Seika on August 27, 2011, 11:39:02 AM
Sorry, I've not looked at Zelos' moves in a long time and everyone else does jump when performing Hell Pyre (excluding Chester who's Hell Pyre is technically a different move).


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: xxmasal22xx on August 27, 2011, 11:56:09 AM
I actually haven't even started animating this XP
(I'm procrastinating this cause some of zelos's moves are difficult, like hell pyre, he jumps then he attacks :l )

The only problem animating the spell casting is that it'll look stiff.
Well, the spell casting stances look kinda stiff anyway except collete, who flops her arms like noodles =_=;

and no, no possession [censored], Links a good guy :P and the only possesion I would like would be Oni link, but dat ain't gonna happen. unless I could somehow port him over sonic and use Oni-link as the super sonic model XP

Not really interested in Richter, I honestly didn't like his character much :l now, Kratos on the other hand, that might be a posibility, cause he's [censored]in epic >=D I mean, besides the whole "darth vader" plot bunny for Lloyd. But still XD

Lol, well get to work! Jk, jk. Take your time and do this the wright way the first time :)

spell casting will be easy, just make link's hat thingy wave around slowly

As for Richter, thanx for letting me know at least. I appreciate it.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 27, 2011, 12:08:40 PM
I was thinking about how the different characters have their own versions of shining bind or judgement.

the funniest one being colletes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJz3-9K20zY

I'm wondering if link could try to cast shining bind, then like, mess it up and do judgement by accident XD for the FS I mean


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: xxmasal22xx on August 27, 2011, 02:43:11 PM
I was thinking about how the different characters have their own versions of shining bind or judgement.

the funniest one being colletes.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJz3-9K20zY[/url]

I'm wondering if link could try to cast shining bind, then like, mess it up and do judgement by accident XD for the FS I mean


Make it so that he tries to cast shining bind, and if an opponent hits hit while hes casting it, he messes up and accidentally does judgement. Waddaya think?  :af2:


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Royal_Blade on August 27, 2011, 02:58:58 PM
I was going to use an idea like that if I make a Kratos PSA.

I was going to have him pose for his Mystic Arte, if people are close-by, he'd use shining bind, but if no one was around him, he'd cast judgment instead.


Title: Re: Tales Of Symphonia Link!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 27, 2011, 03:10:43 PM


I actually might make his fs something like healing wind

It recovers links damage while dicing up the other characters in a big windstorm
It'll do the same amount of damage that link recovers though. Hmm

Shining Bind would definately be easier to psa (graphic wise) then judgement, I might just come up with a new move entirely that suits link more.

well..more so than the [censored]ty triforce slash nintendo gave us =_=;

SERIOUSLY what the hell...you don't even USE the triforce in game! and most of the time (with the exception of LOZ ) it's not even an atainable item....ugh, nintendo logic....*facepalm*