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Title: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on October 26, 2011, 02:40:06 PM
As a few might know, I'm the Administrator of D.R.'s (Dominican Republic) Smash Community (Tourney[censored]s community, like LC would call them), and I've been wanting to make a PSA-only tournament (1vs1) with them (I'm pretty sure 96% of the community have never used a PSA, so this'll be fun), I also plan on saving all the matches and uploading them, and will probably make an online Tournament with these for KC-MM.

What I need help with is: Selecting the PSAs of characters that'd fit and be "sorta" balanced fighting each other, AND would not freeze under any circumstances.

This is the list:

Characters
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/PSA-Chart.png)

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/VJ.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Shadow.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Roy.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Wisp.gif)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Waluigi.png)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Scott_Pilgrim.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Kid_Buu.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Zero.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Cloud.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Spiderman.png)
](http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Kirby.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Deadpool.png)(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Bomberman.png)(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Wolverine.png)

Joining the Roster once finished

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Geno.png)(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Tifa.png)

Pending Balancing/Update

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2liyfed.png)

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Silver.png)(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Grey_Fox.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Ganondorf.png)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Sam.png)(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/CSS/Others/Burst_Sonic.png)

Missing PSAs for:

(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Pit.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Peach.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Yoshi.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Bowser.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/WarioBiker.png)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Fox.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Ness.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/IceClimbes.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/ToonLink.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/MetaKnight.png)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Samus.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Sonic.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/KingDedede.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Mario.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Zelda.png)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Pikachu.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Squirtle.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Ivysaur.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Charizard.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/PokemonTrainer.png)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Olimar.png)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/MrGameAndWatch.png)



These are the only ones the three of us could come up with. I'd love any kind of suggestions and if anyone could report any freeze or odd behavior with any of the PSAs listed above.

Also, I'm still looking for more PSAs for the rest of the characters on the roster. (I won't be replacing them all, the characters, in the end, without a fitting PSA, will be removed from the CSS. With this said, I'm aiming for at least 16 stable and freezeless PSAs)

Other Threads
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/KCMM/Images/RedRose.png) (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=37889.0) (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/KCMM/Images/WhiteRose.png) (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=7963.0)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: SonicBrawler on October 26, 2011, 03:05:54 PM
Luigi: Mewtwo PSA (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=23145)
Falco: Silver PSA (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=21589)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: KingJigglypuff on October 26, 2011, 03:24:23 PM
I think for Fox, my Carchar port would be good. That is when I release it. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Nuke on October 26, 2011, 03:46:54 PM
This should be in the tourney thread no?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on October 26, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Use haloedhero's Cloud instead of mine.  And maybe have SMBZ Mario?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Gamma Ridley on October 26, 2011, 07:29:57 PM
Just for reference, Athena Asamiya was made by drseusredfish.

And Cape Mario was made by vontower.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Albafika on October 26, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
Luigi: Mewtwo PSA ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=23145[/url])
Falco: Silver PSA ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=21589[/url])


I'm kinda waiting for KJP's Mewtwo, actually.

And that Silver... I'm not sure, I find his moves a bit odd to understand and asimilate.

I think for Fox, my Carchar port would be good. That is when I release it. :P
I'll playtest the result and see how it goes.

This should be in the tourney thread no?
It's not for an Online Tourney, so I don't think it belongs there, BUT, I could use the finished pack for one, I guess.

Use haloedhero's Cloud instead of mine.  And maybe have SMBZ Mario?
Haloed's? I'm not really sure, I mean, yours might fit nicely against a few on my list, in my opinion, but I'll definetaly try Haloed's to see if it's more fitting. But, considering the people will have no PSA knowledge AT ALL, yours might not be as strong for them (Although, I'm pretty sure they'll crack all the PSAs open in 2 matches, "tourney [censored]gority" comes in handy. xD)

SMBZ Mario? I've never used a MarioDK moveset, but since you're suggesting it, I suppose I could try it. Do you feel it's more balanced than Cape Mario? I kinda want to use Cape Mario 'cause it'd give them a nostalgic appealing, I think. lol

Also, I wanted to pick your Kid Buu... I really did, since in D.R., DBZ was a HUGE phenomenom, like, the companies gave their recess at 4 PM daily JUST 'cause DBZ was on TV from4  to 4:30... But, I've heard about some freezing issues, and if these guys happen to have freezing in the middle of the tourney, they'll just whine since they'll call the game "Broken", considering they've never tried modding Brawl up to this level.

Just for reference, Athena Asamiya was made by drseusredfish.

And Cape Mario was made by vontower.
Yeah, I know who made Athena and Mario, the (?) they have it's 'cause I'm highly doubtful about their balance/bugs (If they have any) and was wanting the guys that have played with them for a while to tell me about them (Since I haven't got the time to test them 'til later on).

Also, I'll be uploading ALL the tourney matches, which, I'm sure you'll all enjoy a lot. :D

@Everyone: Thanks for the replies. I really appreciate the help.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Gamma Ridley on October 27, 2011, 10:59:26 AM
Yeah, I know who made Athena and Mario, the (?) they have it's 'cause I'm highly doubtful about their balance/bugs (If they have any) and was wanting the guys that have played with them for a while to tell me about them (Since I haven't got the time to test them 'til later on).

Ohhhh, ok, the placement of the question marks was a little misleading. XD

I can't say much about balance (since I don't really pay attention) but I definitely recommend Athena. It's a really fun PSA to play with and stuff.

Dunno if it's tourney-worthy, but well there ya go.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Pappy on October 27, 2011, 01:00:51 PM
i dont reccommend athena on the contrary. Having made a 40-some PSA pack and have it not freezing and balanced ive tried most of them out and Athena was broken, if i remember correctly she had either infinite jumps or infinite up-B, something like that. I'm also sure that Kid Buu does NOT freeze, at all. I've had absolutely no problem with him since I put him in.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Albafika on October 28, 2011, 07:28:16 AM
i dont reccommend athena on the contrary. Having made a 40-some PSA pack and have it not freezing and balanced ive tried most of them out and Athena was broken, if i remember correctly she had either infinite jumps or infinite up-B, something like that. I'm also sure that Kid Buu does NOT freeze, at all. I've had absolutely no problem with him since I put him in.
I see... I'll have to test it out and see if it's really beyond the rest.

Now, anyone have more suggestions as to what PSAs to add over characters not on the list and which to remove?

As for Kid Buu... I'll need to test myself I suppose.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: KingJigglypuff on October 28, 2011, 07:38:42 AM
Maybe for Yoshi you could put in my Dragon Yoshi. I'll edit my post with a link. And for Falco, you could wait for my revamp of Scyther. YUNO HAVE DARK LORD GANON!? >:O


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Albafika on October 28, 2011, 08:55:57 AM
Maybe for Yoshi you could put in my Dragon Yoshi. I'll edit my post with a link. And for Falco, you could wait for my revamp of Scyther.
I'll have to try your Dragon Yoshi and DL Ganon. <<; Unless someone else can comment about them here concerning balance?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Nuke on October 28, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
It's not for an Online Tourney, so I don't think it belongs there, BUT, I could use the finished pack for one, I guess.

Yea i know, not on the online thread but the Hacking tourney thread... the one at the very bottom...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Albafika on October 31, 2011, 06:17:01 AM
Yea i know, not on the online thread but the Hacking tourney thread... the one at the very bottom...
No, it's not a Hacking Tournament, I'm just asking for suggestions for a PSA Tournament I'm hosting for D.R's Smash Community.

Also, I'm removing Burst Sonic, Diablos and DK over Shadow will be on Sonic, because even though it was imported without .RELs, Sonic and Shadow have the same problem concerning GFX that .REL ported character have when they're together in a match...

And, I tested Athena, I can't quite understand most of her moves, honestly. .-.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on October 31, 2011, 10:04:57 AM
No, it's not a Hacking Tournament, I'm just asking for suggestions for a PSA Tournament I'm hosting for D.R's Smash Community. Also, I'm removing Burst Sonic, Diablos and DK over Shadow will be on Sonic, because even though it was imported without .RELs, Sonic and Shadow have the same problem concerning GFX that .REL ported character have when they're together in a match... And, I tested Athena, I can't quite understand most of her moves, honestly. .-.
if you know it i made a Burst Sonic PSA that is shadowKong friendly in the pack so there is no problems at all with the GFX just removed GFX on his you are too slow taunt


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament, help required
Post by: Albafika on October 31, 2011, 12:25:36 PM
if you know it i made a Burst Sonic PSA that is shadowKong friendly in the pack so there is no problems at all with the GFX just removed GFX on his you are too slow taunt
Hmm, I'll have to see.



I need more input as to who to add and stuff. D:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: KTH on October 31, 2011, 08:24:46 PM
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Link.png) Young Link
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Ganondorf.png) Enhanced Ganondorf (KJP)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/CFalcon.png) Melee
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Peach.png[Img] Athena (KJP)[img]http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Sonic.png)Full trhotle (Wave)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/MetaKnight.png[Img] Fray Fox (EternalYoshi)[img]http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Luigi.png) P:M Luigi
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Yoshi.png) VJoe (LJCoolJ and Sdoom)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Falco.png) Silver (KJP)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/Olimar.png) Naruto (.Fade)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j465/AlbafikaPisces/CSPs/CSS/MrGameAndWatch.png) Dante (Sdoom and DivineOverwolrd)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on October 31, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
@KTH: I'm not using .RELs because the GFX mess up. I want the matches to look fluent and glitchless since I'll be uploading them all and the people playing the tourney would be tourney players, so they'd be nitpicky about bugs.

Out of Dante, Naruto, and Cloud, Cloud's the best candidate due to the fluent he is.

VJoe is on Captain Falcon.

I think Zero is a better choice than Young Link, but I could be wrong?

Silver.... I'll have to see, the thing that irks me about it is that some attacks are hard to understand... And that the head looks odd.

Also, I'll say it again: I'm not using Brawl Characters on this tourney, so diferent kinds of ganon or C. Falcon (PM Falcon, etc) won't be added... Since they'd play under the same gameplay, and these guys would abuse that. BUT, things like Dark Lord Ganon where Ganon's gameplay changes drastically by using a sword and similar stuff can be used.

I made the OP look better, hopefully more people will be willing to give input. D:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: KingJigglypuff on October 31, 2011, 08:38:02 PM
You could test Dragon Yoshi and Carchar over Fox and see how they are.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on October 31, 2011, 08:40:44 PM
You could test Dragon Yoshi and Carchar over Fox and see how they are.
Yeah, I plan on testing them both, although, some people said Dragon Yoshi is OP. .-.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: KingJigglypuff on October 31, 2011, 09:37:10 PM
Yeah, I plan on testing them both, although, some people said Dragon Yoshi is OP. .-.
People call anything that isn't DBZ, FF, or Sonic OP with no reason. >.>
I assure you that I will not go back to making OP characters.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on October 31, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
People call anything that isn't DBZ, FF, or Sonic OP with no reason. >.>
I assure you that I will not go back to making OP characters.
I'll eventually test it, KJP.

Also, fixed the OP a bit more, hope you all like it. I really need more feedback and suggestions.. I mean, this'll be something everyone will enjoy in the end. =D

EDIT: I'll be adding Fighter Kirby, and I also want feedback about him.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: songeflemy on November 01, 2011, 07:27:34 PM

EDIT: I'll be adding Fighter Kirby, and I also want feedback about him.

YES!


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: SonicBrawler on November 01, 2011, 07:33:35 PM
Tabuu over Ganon, but since you have ganon already, use my port over fox?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: KingJigglypuff on November 02, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
So...did you manage to test my characters out yet?

Tabuu over Ganon, but since you have ganon already, use my port over fox?
>_>


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 02, 2011, 09:53:41 AM
Tabuu over Ganon, but since you have ganon already, use my port over fox?
One, this tournament will not use rel file ports, due to graphics errors. Two, Tabuu is extremely overpowered, and most of his moves don't make much sense... His animations are not quite on par with the rest of the tourny's.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: SonicBrawler on November 02, 2011, 12:49:48 PM
ah, okay. that makes sence


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 02, 2011, 01:17:57 PM
@Albafika  remember i am the one who made the best port of shadow over Dk. :D
so put my name there
and what about my SMBZ Sonic moveset over Sonic or SMBZ mario moveset over Mario?
i still think SMBZ mario moveset is one of my best PSAs and SMBZ Sonic is also really good
also raccon Luigi PSA (mainly just attack from Cape mario PSA ported to Luigi and afew other attacks)
and at First post:
What I need help with is: Selecting the PSAs of characters that'd fit and be "sorta" balanced fighting each other, AND would not freeze under any cirscumstances.
Cape mario (both V1,2) freeze at FS and you dont want PSa that Freeze


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 02, 2011, 04:09:35 PM
Yeah, just tested Cape Mario and it froze when I tried to do Up B with the cape out while running. I'm removing it.

I'll try both your Luigi/Mario PSAs, MarioDK.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on November 02, 2011, 07:52:53 PM
SDoom's cloud has only 1 real balance issue: The wall cling coding.
With how it's programmed the jump from the wall cling is high enough to have him cling back to the wall without losing height.

He can do unlimited wall clings and the jump height doesn't decay.

What this can lead to is stalling under the stage Peach Bomber style.

Maybe it should be replaced with a Wall Jump.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 03, 2011, 10:57:51 AM
SDoom's cloud has only 1 real balance issue: The wall cling coding.
With how it's programmed the jump from the wall cling is high enough to have him cling back to the wall without losing height.

He can do unlimited wall clings and the jump height doesn't decay.

What this can lead to is stalling under the stage Peach Bomber style.

Maybe it should be replaced with a Wall Jump.
Yeah. I'm afraid the competitors find out about that wall cling... it'd be a good idea to quickly replace it with a wall jump.

There are also other factors, but this'd be the biggest one.

EDIT: I tested the ones pending, and here's what I have:

Fighter Kirby: Although I dislike how the A moves and grabs are the same as vBrawl's Kirby, it kinda makes sense, considering he's still Kirby, now, concerning the B Specials, I find the dash attack (Pressing B instead of A while running) to be a bit OP (Killing at 100%? I'm not fond of that). Could someone tell me which is that attack's Sub Action on PSA? I think upping it to 130% (Mario) would fit.

Dr. Mario: I like it, although I find the Up B a bit TOO strong.

Silver: With a bit more polishing and clearer animations, this PSA would be golden.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 04, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
http://www.livestream.com/bandestreams

For whoever's bored, I'm previewing how far I've gotten on CSS Stuff of these characters in Green. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 04, 2011, 05:32:05 PM
Shadow-Kong will be updated in under 1 hour Side-B is fixed, now N-Air is nerfed, Down-B is a real counter and up-B is revamped


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 05, 2011, 07:49:16 PM
I'm nearly removing Athena/Geno. Athena just seems too odd and Geno is totally outdate, and have some hitboxes issues.

Full Throte Sonic will be removed now. He's seriously OP.

I have mixed feelings about Fighter Kirby.

The fact Dark Lord Ganondorf technically have 2 movesets at once makes me feel he's OP, but I still need to test in-depht.

Burst Sonic seems okay, but the changes he has are so few it won't make him feel like a totally new character. I'll be playtesting SMBZ Sonic and see if it works.

Also, added a Chart on the OP. :3


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: ASF1nk on November 08, 2011, 02:30:56 AM
I thought you weren't making a thread. O.O


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 08, 2011, 05:38:21 AM
I thought you weren't making a thread. O.O
Well I did. D: So Help me!

EDIT: Updated the chart.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Puraidou on November 08, 2011, 06:20:18 AM
Hm, got anything for Samus so far? If not, why not try Nuke's normal Dark Samus? It's pretty balanced i think o.o

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=9065


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 08, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
Hm, got anything for Samus so far? If not, why not try Nuke's normal Dark Samus? It's pretty balanced i think o.o

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=9065[/url]

I disagree.

That PSA has a highly spammable side B, is far too fast, and just seems way overpowered all and all.

Even the one Crony made is more balanced, and even that one is a bit unbalanced...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 08, 2011, 12:30:40 PM
Following what Data said... I'll have to test it myself and see, as well.


Also, for Sonic I'll be using MarioDK's SMBZ Sonic. That PSA is too fun to play with, but it needs a few balance tweaks.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 08, 2011, 03:47:43 PM
Wolfric has told me to post this link.
http://www.livestream.com/bandestreams
He's streaming PSAs to be used in the tourny live.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 08, 2011, 04:59:52 PM
That Dark Samus Pride.... It kills at 0%. <_<;


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Puraidou on November 09, 2011, 03:26:22 AM
Huh weird, maybe i linked the wrong one from his vault.. .-. I had one that was nicely balanced before..


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 09, 2011, 05:58:12 AM
Huh weird, maybe i linked the wrong one from his vault.. .-. I had one that was nicely balanced before..
You probably used Crony's?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Nuke on November 09, 2011, 06:25:12 AM
I think he linked Dark Samus Prime, that's completely broken.. But the other one I agree with Data the side B is to spammable... Along with some other moved... xD.. It was the beginning of balancing, so yea it wouldn't fit in your tourney..


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 10, 2011, 08:17:44 AM
I think he linked Dark Samus Prime, that's completely broken.. But the other one I agree with Data the side B is to spammable... Along with some other moved... xD.. It was the beginning of balancing, so yea it wouldn't fit in your tourney..
This (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=9065) one's Down B kills at 1%. <<;

Along other stuffs, yeah, it wouldn't fit. xD But I'll keep an eye on future updates!


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 14, 2011, 03:21:53 AM
This ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=9065[/url]) one's Down B kills at 1%. <<;

Along other stuffs, yeah, it wouldn't fit. xD But I'll keep an eye on future updates!

Yup, that it did, I saw it on his stream.
Hidden missile!
...
I mean FINGER LASERS!!!
Although I knew about this for a very VERY long time... So I told Wolfric to mash down B, that down B can kill at 0%...
I mean bump!
But yeah, I think a good base for a final Dark Samus would be Crony's, it has great ideas, just needs polishing, and more balance.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: DARKW0lf on November 14, 2011, 03:32:50 AM
Diddy kong: Mecha Sonic


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 14, 2011, 04:35:51 AM
Diddy kong: Mecha Sonic
Hm... I don't think so, his moves are kinda... Wonky, the hit boxes are not properly made... Look at forward tilt for example, it doesn't connect, even if the foot hits the foe...

Also, his dodge roll is WAY too good, it's like a Lucario on speed.

His down smash seems... GFX abusive, and has too much range...

Side B travels way too far, it goes almost all the way across Final Destination.

Not even sure what down B is... It seems like a counter, but once it counters just once, it does the counter attack, and nothing else...

All and all, I highly doubt Wolfric will add this one to the tourny.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: SouthCraft on November 14, 2011, 04:49:53 AM
Hm... I don't think so, his moves are kinda... Wonky, the hit boxes are not properly made... Look at forward tilt for example, it doesn't connect, even if the foot hits the foe...

Also, his dodge roll is WAY too good, it's like a Lucario on speed.

His down smash seems... GFX abusive, and has too much range...

Side B travels way too far, it goes almost all the way across Final Destination.

Not even sure what down B is... It seems like a counter, but once it counters just once, it does the counter attack, and nothing else...

All and all, I highly doubt Wolfric will add this one to the tourny.
He's right ill update with much better moveset PS the side b should be like that cus it has much knockback and damage


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 14, 2011, 01:30:50 PM
Data's got it right. The attacks need to be fluent and pleasing to the eyes, not something that'd make others go "Wtf does this does", and, needs to be Balanced (By this I mean, needs to be on the level of the rest in the OP). Thanks for the input, Data. :)

He's right ill update with much better moveset PS the side b should be like that cus it has much knockback and damage
Let's hope it turns out great. :D



*Sigh*... Now onto the roster, I think I'll be removing Athena Asamiya and Geno, Athena's moveset is hard to assimilate and Geno's... Well.. It's outdated.

Also: I'm uploading videos of the actual PSAs that're going to be used:
Roy vs Shadow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OicMhngBy-U

Scott Pilgrim vs SMBZ Sonic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqp5XPaVEc

Spiderman vs Samus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ9cb9kBl6A

Dark Lord Ganondorf vs Cloud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp6udcZyjNk

Fighter Kirby vs Waluigi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xceasjCxlXg
And that's it for now. I'll have a few more coming up later on.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 21, 2011, 01:58:22 PM
i was thinking
if i can get Waluigi over DDD
we got DDD PSA in roster for this

so we needing PSA for over Pit
can my Goku over Pit come there if we getting both Waluigi over DDD and Goku over Pit?

so we getting one PSA for over DDD
and Goku vs. Buu in this tourney too  :af2:
without needing to replace V. joe


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 21, 2011, 02:11:26 PM
i was thinking
if i can get Waluigi over DDD
we got DDD PSA in roster for this

so we needing PSA for over Pit
can my Goku over Pit come there if we getting both Waluigi over DDD and Goku over Pit?

so we getting one PSA for over DDD
and Goku vs. Buu in this tourney too  :af2:
without needing to replace V. joe
I'd love to have that if it was done. You have no idea how famous DBZ is in DR. :srs:

I'll have to help with balancing of Goku, though, just so I'm sure he fits. So, let me know whenever you need me to test.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 21, 2011, 02:15:03 PM
Goku over pit still WIP
same moveset still but based on the feedback you gave+afew fixes and revamps(like Down-B counter attack works better now) (also SSj mode but still balanced for a SSJ mode)
maybe SSJ mode will be the new Kaioken (if i can´t get Kaioken GFX to work right)

Waluigi over DDD(real porting and not renaming method) will be after Goku over pit


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 21, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
Goku over pit still WIP
same moveset still but based on the feedback you gave+afew fixes and revamps(like Down-B counter attack works better now) (also SSj mode but still balanced for a SSJ mode)
maybe SSJ mode will be the new Kaioken (if i can´t get Kaioken GFX to work right)

Waluigi over DDD(real porting and not renaming method) will be after Goku over pit
Sign me up for testers.

I'll have to update this topic when you're done. :D

Does anyone has suggestions as to other PSAs that's fit in here?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 21, 2011, 05:04:05 PM
Sign me up for testers. I'll have to update this topic when you're done. :D Does anyone has suggestions as to other PSAs that's fit in here?
you will be a tester then goku is done

cuz for now i just planing to upload him then he is done so ppl can play him and give me feedback
also i am alittle thinking on Side-B (Air) can be using Pit´s Glide so side-B (air) can be Fly


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 21, 2011, 07:06:30 PM
Hmmm. Data, I'm gonna post up the new Tabuu in about a week or two, so then you can consider including him in it or not. :)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 22, 2011, 08:01:53 AM
Hmmm. Data, I'm gonna post up the new Tabuu in about a week or two, so then you can consider including him in it or not. :)
Tabuu is going over who?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 22, 2011, 08:16:20 AM
Hmmm. Data, I'm gonna post up the new Tabuu in about a week or two, so then you can consider including him in it or not. :)
Alright, you should also give Wolfric the next Tabuu as well.

He's also great at feedback giving... Me and him make a great feedback team. :P

Also Wolfric, he goes over Ganon.

Also, don't forget to change what I suggested, Akugun.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 26, 2011, 05:30:07 PM
No worries. I nerfed many attacks, made some slower, and I'm going to work on the NAir ASAP.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: Albafika on November 27, 2011, 08:36:48 AM
No worries. I nerfed many attacks, made some slower, and I'm going to work on the NAir ASAP.
Alright.



A little update:

> Could anyone link me to some decent Spiderman Recolors to fill Sheik slots? I'm clueless as to which to use, as I find they look odd and I don't want to make the CSS replacement including textures I don't find appealing...

> ^ The same as above, but concerning Cloud, I'll be using Beyond's AC/KH/FFVII (These 2 last ones with a few model edits), I'd need other costumes to fill the other slots and finally make the CSPs.

> Silver, Dark Lord Ganondorf and Gray Fox won't be added unless they're updated, these 2 are slightly broken at the moment.

> I think I'll be using Dr. Mario over Mario, it has a nostalgic feeling.

> I'm scrapping Athena Asamiya and Geno off the list, Athena for behaving oddly and hard to figure what her moves are, and Geno for... Being really outdated and having huge hitboxes problems as well as balancing issues.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: NEED SUGGESTIONS!
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 27, 2011, 09:21:07 AM
why Dr. mario? that just mario with piles as N-B and mario tornado
why not SMBZ mario moveset (just put cape powerup on all mario slots)

Dr. mario moveset is even more outdated then Geno


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on November 27, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
why Dr. mario? that just mario with piles as N-B and mario tornado
why not SMBZ mario moveset (just put cape powerup on all mario slots)

Dr. mario moveset is even more outdated then Geno
I find SMBZ Mario has too many moves. It's hard for a character with the amount of attacks/specials SMBZ has to fit in a "balanced" roster, which is the reason KJP's Dark Lord Ganondorf is also on doubt (And it's the main reason Athena was removed as well).

On the other hand, Dr. Mario is a clone of Mario (Coming from Melee, technically), but, it's got the nostalgic feeling, and the moveset changes on attacks/trajectory/hitboxes make him play a bit diferent than Mario. For now, it'll be Dr. Mario (Even though I have my doubts about him, as well).




Anyways, I might as well re-add this (So it's not lost in the last post on the page):


> Could anyone link me to some decent Spiderman Recolors to fill Sheik slots? I'm clueless as to which to use, as I find they look odd and I don't want to make the CSS replacement including textures I don't find appealing...

> ^ The same as above, but concerning Cloud, I'll be using Beyond's AC/KH/FFVII (These 2 last ones with a few model edits), I'd need other costumes to fill the other slots and finally make the CSPs.

> Silver, Dark Lord Ganondorf and Gray Fox won't be added unless they're updated, these 2 are slightly broken at the moment.

> I think I'll be using Dr. Mario over Mario, it has a nostalgic feeling.

> I'm scrapping Athena Asamiya and Geno off the list, Athena for behaving oddly and hard to figure what her moves are, and Geno for... Being really outdated and having huge hitboxes problems as well as balancing issues.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 27, 2011, 10:04:41 AM
Okay, so that opens the door for Tabuu officially. :)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 27, 2011, 10:20:17 AM
@Albafika
i can easy do so he only got one mode
if you like to have no cape mode and just the hammer attacks
i can easy do that (only cape on Side-B,FS)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on November 28, 2011, 04:16:49 PM
Okay, so that opens the door for Tabuu officially. :)
I'm really interested in seeing the finished result. Can't wait for it!

@Albafika
i can easy do so he only got one mode
if you like to have no cape mode and just the hammer attacks
i can easy do that (only cape on Side-B,FS)
I'll write up an essay about what needs adjusment.

Also, concerning Shadow...

The jump glitch (While in the Hurt animation), wouldn't it be possible to fix it by adding to the "hurt"code a:

                Change Action: action=19 (Jump), requirement=On Ground

Sure, he'd get an "extra" jump doing this, but better that than no jump at all.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 28, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
Well, when is this tourny supposed to take place? I expect to complete Tabuu over the holidays, and the missing moves within a week or 2.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on November 28, 2011, 05:36:54 PM
Well if you like...for Fox you could use Carchar and I can separate the sets of Specials so that the one you (might) use will have one set of Specials...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on November 28, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Well, when is this tourny supposed to take place? I expect to complete Tabuu over the holidays, and the missing moves within a week or 2.
I'm planning on doing it by Dec. 20-23... Not sure, though..

Well if you like...for Fox you could use Carchar and I can separate the sets of Specials so that the one you (might) use will have one set of Specials...
I'm kinda busy with college since the semester's ending. If you want, talk to Data about it, he should know what to take out and what not, and what to nerf or buff, and Ill test it when I'm done with classes.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 29, 2011, 10:27:30 AM
For Toon Link you could always use DO-style Skull Kid. ^^

I'mma resume work on Tabuu now. :)

BTW, out of curiosity, who's Wolfric?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 29, 2011, 10:45:08 AM
For Toon Link you could always use DO-style Skull Kid. ^^

I'mma resume work on Tabuu now. :)
Nah... DO's Skull Kid's kinda unbalanced... Plus kinda choppy or something.

And alright, I look forward to seeing more Tabuu progress. :P

Though out of curiosity. Would it be possible to make the dash attack have more transition? What I mean is, make him actually morph into that... Fish... Blade... Thing... And morph back?

There's a bit more feedback I should give, but I want to get Wolfric's opinions too.

BTW, out of curiosity, who's Wolfric?
The poster above you. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 29, 2011, 10:48:46 AM
Well, morphing would be kinda difficult, since his dash animation is actually the last frame of the shark thing animation

And... you mean Albafika? O:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on November 29, 2011, 11:28:56 AM
Well, morphing would be kinda difficult, since his dash animation is actually the last frame of the shark thing animation
Still, it would make the move make more sense, the attack kinda comes out of nowhere, more so then Tabuu's original version.

And... you mean Albafika? O:
Exactly.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 29, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
I'd have to re-do his dash attack animation...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on November 29, 2011, 11:57:48 AM
I'm really interested in seeing the finished result. Can't wait for it! I'll write up an essay about what needs adjusment. Also, concerning Shadow... The jump glitch (While in the Hurt animation), wouldn't it be possible to fix it by adding to the "hurt"code a:                Change Action: action=19 (Jump), requirement=On Ground Sure, he'd get an "extra" jump doing this, but better that than no jump at all.
ok getting back to updates on shadow-kong after goku over Pit/waluigi over DDD is done so we got two PSAs here too :D
same for SMBZ mario but right now i doing Silver model import


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on November 29, 2011, 12:40:18 PM
Still, it would make the move make more sense, the attack kinda comes out of nowhere, more so then Tabuu's original version.

I have an idea, how about I put some sort of graphic on his core and a distinct sound effect as he's about to use it?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on December 01, 2011, 12:31:48 PM
@MarioDK:Let's see how it turns out.

@Tabuu: You might want to make the GFX fit more the hitbox of the attacks. I hard a hard feeling learning which was X's attack range.





<_<

>_>

I'll be making edits to a few of the selected PSAs.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on December 01, 2011, 01:39:00 PM
Which attacks?

I'll get to them ASAP.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on December 05, 2011, 10:45:50 PM
Which attacks?

I'll get to them ASAP.
<_<; Sorry. Hadn't checked this thread for a while.

I'll tell you later.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on December 06, 2011, 04:04:02 PM
All right, then. I await your answers.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on December 09, 2011, 04:21:13 PM
new metaknight PSA we can add:
tails over metaknight v2


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on December 10, 2011, 09:20:36 AM
new metaknight PSA we can add:
tails over metaknight v2
Just saw the video, I'll give it a try.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on February 20, 2012, 03:32:46 PM
Bumping this with an update. :srs: And still in need of suggestions.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on February 20, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
Bumping this with an update. :srs: And still in need of suggestions.
There is that Fierce Deity Link PSA by Tormod and Scizor


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on February 20, 2012, 03:37:30 PM
There is that Fierce Deity Link PSA by Tormod and Scizor
I'll be adding for Falco's slot either Scizor or an updated Silver.

Fierce Deity or Zero... That'd be hard, I'll have to test that PSA and see. ._.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on February 20, 2012, 03:39:35 PM
I'll be adding for Falco's slot either Scizor or an updated Silver. Fierce Deity or Zero... That'd be hard, I'll have to test that PSA and see. ._.
Maybe I could also fix up those things people mentioned with my Dragon Yoshi for the Yoshi slot as well.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on February 20, 2012, 03:57:44 PM
Just letting you know I updated Gray Fox.

His hitboxes are are resized thanks to Toomai's Brawlbox.

Overall, his range is shorter, but a lot more sensible.

Every PSAer should use it, and love it. :)

My Megaman PSA over Ness is dated and in for huge changes so I can't recommend him now.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on February 20, 2012, 04:09:49 PM
Maybe I could also fix up those things people mentioned with my Dragon Yoshi for the Yoshi slot as well.
Get Data's advice on this one, as I believe he had suggestions.

Just letting you know I updated Gray Fox.

His hitboxes are are resized thanks to Toomai's Brawlbox.

Overall, his range is shorter, but a lot more sensible.

Every PSAer should use it, and love it. :)

My Megaman PSA over Ness is dated and in for huge changes so I can't recommend him now.
I wasn't sure of wether you had updated it or not, but good thing you did! I'll test it soon and see how it came out, as I really liked the PSA, having just a problem with the balancing and odd hitboxes here and there.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on February 20, 2012, 04:21:31 PM
There is that Fierce Deity Link PSA by Tormod

Think of the Wait animations Wolfy!  THE WAIT ANIMATIONS D:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on February 20, 2012, 04:49:31 PM
Think of the Wait animations Wolfy!  THE WAIT ANIMATIONS D:
B-But Eldiran's Zero... D:

Gah, I gotta test Fierce Deity! (http://static4.emoticonize.com/2012/2/21/ff51fe.gif)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on February 21, 2012, 02:44:20 AM
Hm... Now, I haven't tested FD Link for that long... But so far, he's not as interesting as Zero. The only thing more interesting is the animations... Plus, FD Link doesn't bring that much new to the table. He feels like a cross between Link, Ike, and Cloud... Plus, he has a quick to charge attack that makes ALL OF HIS MOVES shoot projectiles...

So yeah, I'd stick with Zero.

Not to say FD Link is a bad PSA, but if I were to use only one... Zero would be that one.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on March 17, 2012, 10:15:20 AM
I'll keep Zero for now, and I decided to add Deadpool to the bunch.

I'm also thinking of adding Scizor after a few tweaks, as i feel he's more fluent than Silver. I've still got to do his CSS stuff if I decide to pick him, as well.

I also need the input on Gray Fox.

Anyone else someone'd like to suggest I add or remove? .-.

Also, stream's up, whoever's bored come to the chat. =D

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Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: songeflemy on March 17, 2012, 10:41:21 AM
Deadpool?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on March 17, 2012, 11:02:56 AM
Deadpool?
Among other things, yeah. lol

And you must post PSA feedback here D;


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on March 18, 2012, 02:10:44 AM
i got 3 PSAs since you have not added two of them
move waluigi from Pit to diddy kong and you got a psa over diddy kong
Goku over pit
Geno over Rob


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on March 18, 2012, 03:44:18 AM
If I recall right... That Waluigi over Diddy is still not as good as the one over Pit...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on March 18, 2012, 03:50:24 AM
If I recall right... That Waluigi over Diddy is still not as good as the one over Pit...
its as good as the one over pit
its 100% same moveset and anything
its just over diddy kong and maybe soon a SFX pack


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on March 18, 2012, 04:32:49 AM
its as good as the one over pit
its 100% same moveset and anything
its just over diddy kong and maybe soon a SFX pack
Wrong.

His Jab, his down smash, and his forward smash are worse then the original. Due to the legs not properly animating.

His physics are a bit different.

He has no turning animation.

He jumps less high then the original. (Although this wouldn't be a bad thing... If it weren't for his forward air being more spammable, due to a glitch similar to Ganon's Thunder Stop, which gives Waluigi no landing lag on his aerials...)


I believe I've said enough. That Waluigi over Diddy needs an update.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on March 18, 2012, 05:06:14 AM
I was thinking the Petey Piranha moveset over Wario should be considered.  There are a few flaws with it, but overall it's pretty solid and Wario has nothing worthwhile over him anyway


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on March 18, 2012, 07:12:39 AM
Umm..... I updated Waluigi and gave him the Toomai BB treatment, if you know what I mean.

- Rebuilt model with Metal texture
- Hurtboxes perfectly alligned
- Hitboxes more reasonably sized and placed
- Nair links better
- Bair has a little more KBG

It's over here and it's over Pit. Use it if you want.
http://www.mediafire.com/?xto4iz1rchf5m (http://www.mediafire.com/?xto4iz1rchf5m)

Part of the reason nair didn't link so good was because the first kick's hitboxes were way too small and didn't cover the leg at all. His jab and tilt hitboxes were a little larger than they should be so they were shrunken a bit.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on March 18, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Is this tournament still happening? I made lots of updates to Tabuu, balance-wise, and he's almost finished.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on March 18, 2012, 08:33:07 AM
I was thinking the Petey Piranha moveset over Wario should be considered.  There are a few flaws with it, but overall it's pretty solid and Wario has nothing worthwhile over him anyway
Except that Petey is really quite broken. His dodge is WAY too fast, allowing him to cancel it, and move all over the screen in an instant.

His aerials come out really fast. His back air deals 28% damage if all hits hit. And it's not like the move is slow either...

I think I'll test him more though. But still, he seems rather overpowered at the moment. He'd need a lot of fixes.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on March 18, 2012, 08:56:52 AM
Except that Petey is really quite broken. His dodge is WAY too fast, allowing him to cancel it, and move all over the screen in an instant.

His aerials come out really fast. His back air deals 28% damage if all hits hit. And it's not like the move is slow either...

I think I'll test him more though. But still, he seems rather overpowered at the moment. He'd need a lot of fixes.

Quite simple fixes.  I could get round to doing them myself upon doing more playtesting.  But I do agree with you.  Main reason why I suggested Petey is because of the fact that he could be really quite solid with fixes here and there and proper balance adjustments.

Also, not sure if it's just me, but does the Neutral B work at all for you?  It didn't work at all for me for some reason :-\ 


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on March 18, 2012, 09:13:43 AM
Quite simple fixes.  I could get round to doing them myself upon doing more playtesting.  But I do agree with you.  Main reason why I suggested Petey is because of the fact that he could be really quite solid with fixes here and there and proper balance adjustments.

Also, not sure if it's just me, but does the Neutral B work at all for you?  It didn't work at all for me for some reason :-\ 
THAT would be great. Since I can see a potentially good PSA in there. It just needs balance, and some animation fixes.

And neutral B is buggy. Sometimes it works, others... It does no damage.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on March 18, 2012, 09:23:15 AM
i got 3 PSAs since you have not added two of them
move waluigi from Pit to diddy kong and you got a psa over diddy kong
Goku over pit
Geno over Rob
Unless there's a glitchless port of WAA, I'm not replacing him. Also, it's not that I don't like your Goku, I tried it and it's totally amazing, it's just that I rather have WAA, as MK put his soul onto that PSA. :P

Umm..... I updated Waluigi and gave him the Toomai BB treatment, if you know what I mean.

- Rebuilt model with Metal texture
- Hurtboxes perfectly alligned
- Hitboxes more reasonably sized and placed
- Nair links better
- Bair has a little more KBG

It's over here and it's over Pit. Use it if you want.
[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?xto4iz1rchf5m[/url] ([url]http://www.mediafire.com/?xto4iz1rchf5m[/url])

Part of the reason nair didn't link so good was because the first kick's hitboxes were way too small and didn't cover the leg at all. His jab and tilt hitboxes were a little larger than they should be so they were shrunken a bit.
Definitely using this, although I'd like to edit a few of the attacks on PSA if you don't mind?

Is this tournament still happening? I made lots of updates to Tabuu, balance-wise, and he's almost finished.
Yes, it's happening. I'll give your latest build a try, if you want.

Quite simple fixes.  I could get round to doing them myself upon doing more playtesting.  But I do agree with you.  Main reason why I suggested Petey is because of the fact that he could be really quite solid with fixes here and there and proper balance adjustments.

Also, not sure if it's just me, but does the Neutral B work at all for you?  It didn't work at all for me for some reason :-\ 
After testing him myself, I agree with Data. I'd love if you could do the balance edits, it'd really take some work off my shoulders and shouldn't take too much time (As long as you don't get too much into it and attempt a totally new version. xD)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on March 18, 2012, 10:42:04 AM
Go right ahead and edit how you like. I strongly recommend using Toomai's Brawlbox to check new hitboxes you make.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on March 18, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
@Wolfric: Check your Gmail, I sent you the files.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: songeflemy on March 27, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=5235.msg48023#msg48023 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=5235.msg48023#msg48023)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 02, 2012, 07:03:52 AM
[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=5235.msg48023#msg48023[/url] ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=5235.msg48023#msg48023[/url])
I'll test it too because you're suggesting it, but I don't think it'll be near balanced judging by the previews. XD


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: songeflemy on April 09, 2012, 06:49:41 PM
Have you tried it yet?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 09, 2012, 06:56:02 PM
Have you tried it yet?
This weekend, promise!

And, I think I'll give MarioDK's Geno a try. Any input on that PSA guys? ._.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on April 09, 2012, 08:18:19 PM
Geno = weird. But Balanced, I'll say yes.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 09, 2012, 08:19:32 PM
Geno = weird. But Balanced, I'll say yes.
The Tabuu you sent me is the latest version, correct?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on April 09, 2012, 08:22:25 PM
No, I have a new version with a better catch attack and an up tilt.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SonicBrawler on April 10, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
This weekend, promise!

And, I think I'll give MarioDK's Geno a try. Any input on that PSA guys? ._.

its an early beta, and i would say no


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Mareeo 64 on April 12, 2012, 05:46:35 PM
For wolf, i'd say use SDoOm's Metal Sonic when he's finished

MarioDK's Geno: I have it and i think it's fairly balanced, i think the only slight glitch is that he'll sometimes start certain game modes by automatically using his FS. especially in SSE. it'll load up, and before you get control of him, he'll do his FS. it's only in some modes though. I'm not sure if he does it in normal Brawl.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 12, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
I'll either go with SDo0m's Metal Sonic or Vegeta for Wolf.

Geno, I'll try it this weekend and talk to MarioDK about balance, if needed.

Now, that Bomberman PSA of SDo0m is DEFINITELY going in the pack. :srs:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Dragoon Fighter on April 12, 2012, 06:35:03 PM
Why don't you make this pack as the opening is, and build on it as updates come up? If you already have though could I have the download link?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: songeflemy on April 12, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
I'll either go with SDo0m's Metal Sonic or Vegeta for Wolf.

Geno, I'll try it this weekend and talk to MarioDK about balance, if needed.

Now, that Bomberman PSA of SDo0m is DEFINITELY going in the pack. :srs:

Metal Sonic is over Wolf?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Lone Devil on April 12, 2012, 10:55:07 PM
Wonder if I'm still able to post my ready PSA + complete CSP + etc pack, (Darkon over Ganon)
even tho Dark Lord Ganon is pending? I think my edited PSA is pretty balance.
I really wanna contribute to this tournament. :C


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on April 12, 2012, 11:23:57 PM
I'll either go with SDo0m's Metal Sonic or Vegeta for Wolf.

Geno, I'll try it this weekend and talk to MarioDK about balance, if needed.

Now, that Bomberman PSA of SDo0m is DEFINITELY going in the pack. :srs:
what about Vegeta over Wolf and metal sonic over fox (as i planing to port metal sonic to fox then sdo0m is done with over wolf)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on April 12, 2012, 11:39:15 PM
Well, if it's a true to the original port. Then it might be allowed.

But, we'll see. None of the PSAs are released yet.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on April 12, 2012, 11:41:35 PM
Well, if it's a true to the original port. Then it might be allowed.

But, we'll see. None of the PSAs are released yet.
it will be a true port
and the good think is metal sonic over fox will possible work as good as over Wolf since they got almost same "B" attacks


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: AnImAiNe on April 12, 2012, 11:42:36 PM
what about scizor over falco and silver over diddy?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on April 13, 2012, 12:02:30 AM
He's already considering Scizor over Falco. Silver on the other hand... Most likely not.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 16, 2012, 03:05:48 PM
Why don't you make this pack as the opening is, and build on it as updates come up? If you already have though could I have the download link?
I have it uploaded, but I have to re-upate it. lol But sure, I'll do it when I get some free time.

Metal Sonic is over Wolf?
Yep, but MarioDK will attempt to port him over Fox so Vegeta can keep Wolf's spot.

Anyways, I'm also adding Wolverine to the equation of Wolf's replacement. T_T A character with basically 0 PSAs now is getting 3. <_<

I might add Tifa in here too.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: HatCatBaseballBat on April 19, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
Bomberman over Luigi made by SDoOm


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: songeflemy on April 21, 2012, 09:04:36 AM
There is a Bomberman PSA over Luigi.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: AnImAiNe on April 21, 2012, 09:20:32 AM
when is the deadline if there is one?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 21, 2012, 10:24:13 AM
Bomberman over Luigi made by SDoOm
There is a Bomberman PSA over Luigi.

Now, that Bomberman PSA of SDo0m is DEFINITELY going in the pack. :srs:
That was already decided. :happy:

when is the deadline if there is one?
Soon, I've prolonged this too much already. - -


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on April 21, 2012, 11:15:34 AM
Why not have the ones currently on the list available and mark it as a "demo" of the PSA Tournament Pack, have a few tournaments with these guys(helps with playtesting since chars like Silver, Gray Fox, and Deadpool have no recent testing outside of their creators), then update it with another "demo" with more characters later this summer.

By then, Mega Man over Ness will be updated and be suitable to recommend here, and I'm sure there will be others too.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SouthCraft on April 21, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
Why not. Goku over pit, Waluigi over Diddy and Silver V2 over Falco when he is done? (im working on him)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on April 23, 2012, 12:15:04 AM
:happy:

Wolverine is a possibility!!

Once me and Albafika balance him out, I'll release him. Unless I feel like releasing the slightly broken version to everyone. I run Brawl- so its actually pretty balanced in that regard :af:

I believe Tifa is gonna take the Pit spot. Just needs to have the PSA finished. I will probably have the Grabs PSA'd by tomorrow since they take no time what so ever... Her animations are about 90% done (The 10% remaining is the FF and misc animations like getting up, but its hard to tell in game due to similarities in the Wait1 I did and the Wait1 of ZSS)

Spider-Man is also going to have an update... sometime this week. I've finished tweaking him. I just wanna run it by SDoom first since it IS his hack to begin with.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 24, 2012, 09:07:32 AM
Why not have the ones currently on the list available and mark it as a "demo" of the PSA Tournament Pack, have a few tournaments with these guys(helps with playtesting since chars like Silver, Gray Fox, and Deadpool have no recent testing outside of their creators), then update it with another "demo" with more characters later this summer.

By then, Mega Man over Ness will be updated and be suitable to recommend here, and I'm sure there will be others too.
Yeah, I'll probably do this. I just don't want people to be discouraged on this first tourney, and something that'd discourage them is the balance (I should know), which is why I take good thought as to what to use and to not to. But at this point I have a solid roster of 13+ characters, so... We'll see.

Why not. Goku over pit, Waluigi over Diddy and Silver V2 over Falco when he is done? (im working on him)
Data tells me WAA over Luigi's a bit glitchy. I'll go for either Silver or Scizor (Leaning towards Scizor) for Falco.

:happy:

Wolverine is a possibility!!

Once me and Albafika balance him out, I'll release him. Unless I feel like releasing the slightly broken version to everyone. I run Brawl- so its actually pretty balanced in that regard :af:

I believe Tifa is gonna take the Pit spot. Just needs to have the PSA finished. I will probably have the Grabs PSA'd by tomorrow since they take no time what so ever... Her animations are about 90% done (The 10% remaining is the FF and misc animations like getting up, but its hard to tell in game due to similarities in the Wait1 I did and the Wait1 of ZSS)

Spider-Man is also going to have an update... sometime this week. I've finished tweaking him. I just wanna run it by SDoom first since it IS his hack to begin with.
I'll be totally using your Spidey.

Tifa? We'll have to see, as WAA is already on that spot... If only she could go over ZSS... I'll try attempting this as I told you before by giving her more physical attacks and editing other things. Hopefully the filesize's fitting for ZSS when I'm done. =/ Of course, that is, unless people prefer Tifa over WAA.

Wolverine is a possibility, I just need to balance him out later. :P

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So, in the end, I am considering adding Scizor, and I need input on MarioDK's Geno and new SMBZ Mario PSA (I still gotta replace Mario..), as I've not gotten to test them myself.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Mareeo 64 on April 24, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
When this PSA pack is completed, will it be globally available, or just for approved users? I know it seems like a stupid question, but I like to be sure of things. lol


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 24, 2012, 05:18:14 PM
When this PSA pack is completed, will it be globally available, or just for approved users? I know it seems like a stupid question, but I like to be sure of things. lol
I'm not even sure I'll officially release this, as I'd need to ask for many permissions. <_<;


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on April 26, 2012, 11:38:33 AM
Are you still considering my Tabuu? Because I could send you the version with the Up Tilt and improved grab attack.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Vamayro on April 26, 2012, 11:47:48 AM
Hmm? This thread has been up since october 2011.
Still looking for more characters as it appears. But this is the first time i've come across this thread.

This is most definitely an interesting idea, and it may be awhile until it's done.
But I would like to see it finished.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: StarWaffle on April 26, 2012, 12:02:12 PM
Ya, finish it already.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Pappy on April 26, 2012, 12:54:43 PM
i dont get how you have such a small roster. I've updated my pack since the last time i posted here and i have ALL characters filled with a PSA, CSS images CSPs and BPs. you can definitely move some things around and get alot more for your roster. Check my thread and see how i placed them to get a better idea: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=34882.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=34882.0)

From what i can see in your roster i can tell you that you wouldn't want these though: Peppy, Vegeta, Young Link, Raichu, things on Pkmn Trainer, and Pichu bros.

Still just with a few changes you can probably double your roster.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on April 26, 2012, 01:51:45 PM
Well the thing about that is...

Some PSAs just aren't... good.

Or they are not balanced for a tournament play.

Like I don't believe my Wolverine will fit cause he's a bit fast and lacks end lag in a bunch of his attacks. He's got a semi-hard time against Brawl- computers, but I think in vBrawl he's A-class or higher.

Its ultimately his choice on who to put in the roster anyway.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 26, 2012, 02:43:56 PM
Are you still considering my Tabuu? Because I could send you the version with the Up Tilt and improved grab attack.
Finals ended yesterday, so sure, send it over, I'll take my time to test it. :D

Hmm? This thread has been up since october 2011.
Still looking for more characters as it appears. But this is the first time i've come across this thread.

This is most definitely an interesting idea, and it may be awhile until it's done.
But I would like to see it finished.
Thanks for the input. Feel free to suggest any PSA.

Ya, finish it already.
Shush you! (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5981/slapd.png)

i dont get how you have such a small roster. I've updated my pack since the last time i posted here and i have ALL characters filled with a PSA, CSS images CSPs and BPs. you can definitely move some things around and get alot more for your roster. Check my thread and see how i placed them to get a better idea: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=34882.0[/url] ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=34882.0[/url])

From what i can see in your roster i can tell you that you wouldn't want these though: Peppy, Vegeta, Young Link, Raichu, things on Pkmn Trainer, and Pichu bros.

Still just with a few changes you can probably double your roster.
There are quite a few reasons my roster is so small.

1. I'm not using .REL ports. Those ports suffer from GFX issues as just 1 set is loaded, which makes the PSAs lose its grace in-battle, as the GFX mess up for one.

2. I'm not using any PSA that has any sort of glitch/freeze issue.

3. I'm not using any PSA below the quality level of the ones already on the list.

There are a few other reasons I don't recall at this moment. But yeah, feel free to help me by suggesting PSAs that apply to these three things, any help is welcome! ^^

Well the thing about that is...

Some PSAs just aren't... good.

Or they are not balanced for a tournament play.

Like I don't believe my Wolverine will fit cause he's a bit fast and lacks end lag in a bunch of his attacks. He's got a semi-hard time against Brawl- computers, but I think in vBrawl he's A-class or higher.

Its ultimately his choice on who to put in the roster anyway.
He's right, too.

Between, I'm working on a new Tifa model, and will resume PSA work later, as KJP fixed the AC model for me. :happy:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on April 26, 2012, 03:49:05 PM
Beast mode. That PSA will be a permanant replacement for Pit...

And because she doesn't use any articles, she's easily portable for the Pit lovers.

Hell, if the size is small enough, she may work over ZSS >_>


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Pappy on April 26, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
i'd suggest these then: SMBZ Mario (the new version), Dark Samus, Motoko Kusanagi (on ZSS), Haunter (on MK), Scizor (on Falco), Rosalina, Darkon (on Ganon), Aang (on Ness), Geno (on ROB), Goku (on Captain) and Petey Piranha (on Wario). Those are all .rel-free and glitch-free (as far as my use of them can tell). I especially reccomend Scizor, hes very fun to play.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Vamayro on April 28, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Thanks for the input. Feel free to suggest any PSA.
Considering there isn't any rel porting that shortens your list quite a bit. But I understand why after playing with a rel port and the character that it was intended to be over in the same battle. Strange stuff happens.
As that guy above me said, "Smbz Mario" I don't usually use psa's that use the original model. But the quality of it is rather appealing. I'm not sure if it would have errors online or not though seeing as the flud is replaced. I'm not quite sure of the balancing, but it might be something to look into.
Alot of those other psa's listed above are fairly old/outdated in my opinion, and need some tuning up. 1 or 2 I hadn't even heard of. Lastly - Every dark samus I've used so far is dreadfully overpowered. Though I haven't heard of one over zss, so I may be mistaken.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on April 28, 2012, 06:07:23 PM
I know it's another Snake PSA and you really like the Deadpool PSA, but I could also suggest my Predator once he's done.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Pappy on April 29, 2012, 11:06:42 PM
there might be a problem with your tournament if you remain like this (not counting what i suggested). Right now your roster is small, but not only that; theres a great difference in power in some of those PSAs. You definitely dont wanna have the metaknight effect from regular brawl where people will ONLY play the top tier characters. Right now Scott, Shadow and Buu will stand out from the rest (I've had alot of testing from pro players so i know that these will no doubt stand out). Unless you take in other good PSAs your final match will most probably be two Shadows N-air spamming each other and thats the last thing i wanna see in a PSA tourney.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on April 30, 2012, 01:02:33 AM
That NAir thing with Shadow is pretty Op >_>



Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on April 30, 2012, 02:41:35 AM
i'd suggest these then: SMBZ Mario (the new version), Dark Samus, Motoko Kusanagi (on ZSS), Haunter (on MK), Scizor (on Falco), Rosalina, Darkon (on Ganon), Aang (on Ness), Geno (on ROB), Goku (on Captain) and Petey Piranha (on Wario). Those are all .rel-free and glitch-free (as far as my use of them can tell). I especially reccomend Scizor, hes very fun to play.
why not goku over pit that one is alot better then my goku over CF


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on April 30, 2012, 03:58:00 AM
I believe he has someone over Pit he prefers...


Personally... I'll be replacing Pit with Tifa anyway when she's done. No offense, but das muh babeh.

Speaking of... Albafika, how's the PSA portion coming along? Anything I can assist with?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 30, 2012, 11:36:00 AM
i'd suggest these then: SMBZ Mario (the new version), Dark Samus, Motoko Kusanagi (on ZSS), Haunter (on MK), Scizor (on Falco), Rosalina, Darkon (on Ganon), Aang (on Ness), Geno (on ROB), Goku (on Captain) and Petey Piranha (on Wario). Those are all .rel-free and glitch-free (as far as my use of them can tell). I especially reccomend Scizor, hes very fun to play.
Scizor was already meant to be in, I've just not mde the CSS stuff for him yet or added him to the OP. :P

Rosalina is OP.
Both Dark Samus are OP.
Petey is also OP, which reminds me, SDo0m planned to do a quick update to him, I'll just wait for that.
I'll be using VJ on Captain, that PSA is more polished.
The rest seem to not be as good, honestly. =/
Considering there isn't any rel porting that shortens your list quite a bit. But I understand why after playing with a rel port and the character that it was intended to be over in the same battle. Strange stuff happens.
As that guy above me said, "Smbz Mario" I don't usually use psa's that use the original model. But the quality of it is rather appealing. I'm not sure if it would have errors online or not though seeing as the flud is replaced. I'm not quite sure of the balancing, but it might be something to look into.
Alot of those other psa's listed above are fairly old/outdated in my opinion, and need some tuning up. 1 or 2 I hadn't even heard of. Lastly - Every dark samus I've used so far is dreadfully overpowered. Though I haven't heard of one over zss, so I may be mistaken.
Yep, .rel ports are not an option.

And you ninja'ed me on the PSA parts :oshi:

I'll give the newest SMBZ Mario a try. I tried the older version and there was so much wrong with it, but this might be different.

I know it's another Snake PSA and you really like the Deadpool PSA, but I could also suggest my Predator once he's done.
I'll give it a try, although I doubt it'd end up replacing Deadpool. XD

there might be a problem with your tournament if you remain like this (not counting what i suggested). Right now your roster is small, but not only that; theres a great difference in power in some of those PSAs. You definitely dont wanna have the metaknight effect from regular brawl where people will ONLY play the top tier characters. Right now Scott, Shadow and Buu will stand out from the rest (I've had alot of testing from pro players so i know that these will no doubt stand out). Unless you take in other good PSAs your final match will most probably be two Shadows N-air spamming each other and thats the last thing i wanna see in a PSA tourney.
I've had pro players play with these, too.

Scott's problem was the high priority on all of those sex kicks, which I still sort of find it too good, but he's not that challenging, I feel he lacks KO power, and his Special Attacks aren't that game changing, so he relies more on his A.

Shadow had plenty of issues. Starting with how the Chaos Emerald charge was uninterruptable, but that's changed. And as I said above, I tweaked the Nair for my own use. And, he still have a higher disadvantage, which is the jump thingy I pointed out above.

Kid Buu is a mixed bag. While he can rack up damage real quick, he has a hard time KO'ing the opponent. His Fsmash might be the only attack really strong for him, and as for how he racks up damage, you can get out of most with decent DI + over 30%. I still feel he's a tad broken, though, I just gotta find what it is.

I believe he has someone over Pit he prefers...


Personally... I'll be replacing Pit with Tifa anyway when she's done. No offense, but das muh babeh.

Speaking of... Albafika, how's the PSA portion coming along? Anything I can assist with?
I've started recently, was and am busy with RL's vacations. Having a girlfriend makes Brawl Hacking on vacations be quite more difficult than hacking with school. <_<


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Vamayro on April 30, 2012, 11:53:18 AM
The rest seem to not be as good, honestly. =/Yep, .rel ports are not an option.

And you ninja'ed me on the PSA parts :oshi:

I'll give the newest SMBZ Mario a try. I tried the older version and there was so much wrong with it, but this might be different.
There were a few versions of it already.
The only glitch i've experienced so far with it is pretty weird.
If you use his fire flower transformation and then guard, his cloths change back to their original color. (at least until you release guard)
There were definitely a lot more problems in the past few versions though.

I've started recently, was and am busy with RL's vacations. Having a girlfriend makes Brawl Hacking on vacations be quite more difficult than hacking with school. <_<
We get out of school may 25th. It's a lot easier and you have a lot more time, when you're working from home <.<


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Pappy on April 30, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
Scizor was already meant to be in, I've just not mde the CSS stuff for him yet or added him to the OP. :P

Rosalina is OP.
Both Dark Samus are OP.
Petey is also OP, which reminds me, SDo0m planned to do a quick update to him, I'll just wait for that.
I'll be using VJ on Captain, that PSA is more polished.
The rest seem to not be as good, honestly. =/Yep, .rel ports are not an option.

And you ninja'ed me on the PSA parts :oshi:

I'll give the newest SMBZ Mario a try. I tried the older version and there was so much wrong with it, but this might be different.
I'll give it a try, although I doubt it'd end up replacing Deadpool. XD
I've had pro players play with these, too.

Scott's problem was the high priority on all of those sex kicks, which I still sort of find it too good, but he's not that challenging, I feel he lacks KO power, and his Special Attacks aren't that game changing, so he relies more on his A.

Shadow had plenty of issues. Starting with how the Chaos Emerald charge was uninterruptable, but that's changed. And as I said above, I tweaked the Nair for my own use. And, he still have a higher disadvantage, which is the jump thingy I pointed out above.

Kid Buu is a mixed bag. While he can rack up damage real quick, he has a hard time KO'ing the opponent. His Fsmash might be the only attack really strong for him, and as for how he racks up damage, you can get out of most with decent DI + over 30%. I still feel he's a tad broken, though, I just gotta find what it is.
I've started recently, was and am busy with RL's vacations. Having a girlfriend makes Brawl Hacking on vacations be quite more difficult than hacking with school. <_<

they OP? by that reasoning you should take out shadow, buu and scott. They're OP in regular brawl, but VS characters like those three they have a really hard time.

And no killing power on scott? that is funny, especially since UpSmash (an instant move that can slide i might add) kills at 90%.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on April 30, 2012, 04:35:50 PM
They aren't OP, they are higher tier.

And I don't even see Scott as that much of a threat. His recovery leaves much to be desired. Kid Buu on the other hand, I see as a A tier fighter, but still not as good as Snake. I've been in tournaments, I've played professional level Snakes Kid Buu is no Snake.

And he said he fixed Shadow to be more balanced.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SonicBrawler on April 30, 2012, 04:40:25 PM
for the silver psa, i think u shouldo do the diddy one tha tis ported to falco. no .rel. no silver vs diddy glitches


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on April 30, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
There were a few versions of it already.
The only glitch i've experienced so far with it is pretty weird.
If you use his fire flower transformation and then guard, his cloths change back to their original color. (at least until you release guard)
There were definitely a lot more problems in the past few versions though.
I'll give this last one a shot, totally. :P

they OP? by that reasoning you should take out shadow, buu and scott. They're OP in regular brawl, but VS characters like those three they have a really hard time.

And no killing power on scott? that is funny, especially since UpSmash (an instant move that can slide i might add) kills at 90%.
Oh yeah, Scott's usmash can be totally compared with Petey's amazing priority and disjointed attacks and Dark Samus 1 hit KO moves, or that buffed up Peach named Rosalina.

Difference between these 3? Scott, Shadow and Buu have excellent animations and the PSAs are glitchless. Fixing things like less knockback take no time, but fixing a whole PSA is a bit time consuming.

They aren't OP, they are higher tier.

And I don't even see Scott as that much of a threat. His recovery leaves much to be desired. Kid Buu on the other hand, I see as a A tier fighter, but still not as good as Snake. I've been in tournaments, I've played professional level Snakes Kid Buu is no Snake.

And he said he fixed Shadow to be more balanced.
Kid Buu is pretty good, but I've yet to see what to nerf. Scorr, on the other hand, is easy to detect, I just don't think I should nerf him, yet.

Anyways, slow progress on Tifa. Dentist tomorrow morning, and it won't be good. But I feel motivated to continue working on her PSA, that's a start. And I might have the balanced Wolverine done by tomorrow, too.

for the silver psa, i think u shouldo do the diddy one tha tis ported to falco. no .rel. no silver vs diddy glitches
I'll be using Scizor on Falco.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on April 30, 2012, 11:08:22 PM
Wait, Pappy, which Dark Samus are you referring to?

The one Nuke made? Or the one Crony made?

Either way though, both of them are... Overpowered if you ask me... Nuke's has the one hit kill down B, and general overpoweredness.

And Crony's... There's quite a bit off with it, up smash being a huge beam. Forward smash being spammable, and having a lot of range. Neutral B air's lack of landing lag. Etc etc.

Either one seems like it wouldn't fit in this tourny without a LOT of fixing.


On another note. Albafika's right though about Rosalina... She's just not cut out for this tourny either. Since she's basically a broken version of Peach. But this is also due to her being an OLD PSA. Her animations would be jarring compared to the others in this tourny... From what I can remember. She's GFX heavy, and not that much different from Peach, other then being a lot more broken, and wonky.


As for Petey, SDo0m might make him a lot more balanced hopefully... Right now, he just doesn't feel right... At all. A lot of priority, VERY high damage output, but at the same time, some moves have REALLY wonky hitboxes. He still has Wario's air movement speed, with more then 2 jumps... So... At least until SDo0m fixes him, he's not gonna be in this tourny.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Pappy on April 30, 2012, 11:48:26 PM
its the one by nuke, but theres not rly much to do on that one. just changing the downB move and fixing knockback on Dsmash.

Scott would need alot of work in comparison, the A attack is almost impossible to DI out of and it can last forever. thats not even mentioning the priorities on SideB and kicks and suff like knockback from Usmash.

What's strong on Buu is the on-hit delay cancel same as goku. And the grabs. those grabs are sooooo strong. high damage AND high range? its an OP version of Yoshi's grab and everyone knows how annoying that is.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on April 30, 2012, 11:51:28 PM
Sweet, Balanced Wolverine :happy:

Uh... I was gonna ask if you wanted me to PSA some stuff if you were too busy, but I'm pretty damn busy myself.

I thought I was gonna have time to animate today, but when I sat down to do some, I had to get right back up and leave the house :srs:

I'm trying to get stuff done... Really I am.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on May 06, 2012, 11:48:35 PM
Sweet, Balanced Wolverine :happy:

Uh... I was gonna ask if you wanted me to PSA some stuff if you were too busy, but I'm pretty damn busy myself.

I thought I was gonna have time to animate today, but when I sat down to do some, I had to get right back up and leave the house :srs:

I'm trying to get stuff done... Really I am.
All I need from you is to change the throw animations from using the HipN to use the TransN (Tifa), as for Wolverine, I'm working on a few things before releasing it. :P

its the one by nuke, but theres not rly much to do on that one. just changing the downB move and fixing knockback on Dsmash.

Scott would need alot of work in comparison, the A attack is almost impossible to DI out of and it can last forever. thats not even mentioning the priorities on SideB and kicks and suff like knockback from Usmash.

What's strong on Buu is the on-hit delay cancel same as goku. And the grabs. those grabs are sooooo strong. high damage AND high range? its an OP version of Yoshi's grab and everyone knows how annoying that is.
Nuke's Dark Samus... Don't even bring that OP PSA in here, it's got more broken things than that. Way more.

Scott isn't as broken as you believe he is, his Jab isn't as good, either, as for Kid Buu, I still get the feeling he's too good, but I've yet to prove it so for myself.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on May 07, 2012, 03:02:54 AM
if kid buu is in the pack
inc. my model import of kid buu and with aleast one of the super buus in the pack (oneslot Side-B Ground leg the model imports got) i did not made recolours of any of the buus (yet) since i got my lucario slot full of buus now


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on May 07, 2012, 03:16:34 AM
What's strong on Buu is the on-hit delay cancel same as goku. And the grabs. those grabs are sooooo strong. high damage AND high range? its an OP version of Yoshi's grab and everyone knows how annoying that is.

Yoshi's grab itself isn't very good at all.  And I believe Buu's grab is even slower.  What's good about Yoshi's grab game is his pivot grab coupled with his grab releases.  His throws are high damage but have little kill potential.

Also, I built Kid Buu around the cancel system.  Unlike Goku where it's just kinda there, Kid Buu's entire game revolves around utilizing it in different ways.  As a result his has an amazing combo game but a mediocre approach and kill potential.  

they OP? by that reasoning you should take out shadow, buu and scott. They're OP in regular brawl, but VS characters like those three they have a really hard time.

And no killing power on scott? that is funny, especially since UpSmash (an instant move that can slide i might add) kills at 90%.

That Up Smash is identical in knockback to Fox's U Smash except it's slower, more punishable and has a worse hitbox.  In other words, his best kill move is a worse version of a kill move from a mid tier character based on speed.  As a result, complaints against it are totally unjustified.

Also, the majority of the PSAs you posted on the page before are old and outdated and don't mesh well with the ones in this pack.  PSAs with a bunch of random animation swaps and graphic effects just seem so out of place comparative to the more polished ones in this pack.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on May 07, 2012, 07:08:27 AM
if kid buu is in the pack
inc. my model import of kid buu and with aleast one of the super buus in the pack (oneslot Side-B Ground leg the model imports got) i did not made recolours of any of the buus (yet) since i got my lucario slot full of buus now
Check your PMs.

Yoshi's grab itself isn't very good at all.  And I believe Buu's grab is even slower.  What's good about Yoshi's grab game is his pivot grab coupled with his grab releases.  His throws are high damage but have little kill potential.

Also, I built Kid Buu around the cancel system.  Unlike Goku where it's just kinda there, Kid Buu's entire game revolves around utilizing it in different ways.  As a result his has an amazing combo game but a mediocre approach and kill potential.  

That Up Smash is identical in knockback to Fox's U Smash except it's slower, more punishable and has a worse hitbox.  In other words, his best kill move is a worse version of a kill move from a mid tier character based on speed.  As a result, complaints against it are totally unjustified.

Also, the majority of the PSAs you posted on the page before are old and outdated and don't mesh well with the ones in this pack.  PSAs with a bunch of random animation swaps and graphic effects just seem so out of place comparative to the more polished ones in this pack.
Whilst I do agree that Scott's usmash isn't really a huge factor, we have to consider that, unlike Fox, Scott has quite a huge arsenal of strong attacks. I've no idea what to nerf, though. lol


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on May 07, 2012, 07:11:19 AM
Scott seems fine... :srs:

Lets not try to dumb down everything to b-c tier guys...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on May 07, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
Agreed. Try making everyone A tier, that should keep everyone relatively balanced but not feel weak/lame.

Using a not viable character(Brawl Fox) as to means/standard of balancing is NOT a good thing.

BTW, what physics are you using?

VBrawl Minus Tripping or B-?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on May 07, 2012, 01:59:56 PM
vBrawl


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SouthCraft on June 03, 2012, 10:29:04 AM
why not Geno over R.O.B? it's well PSAed and balanced


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on June 03, 2012, 11:30:34 AM
why not Geno over R.O.B? it's well PSAed and balanced
Wolfric is making his own edits to Geno. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SouthCraft on June 04, 2012, 08:50:26 AM
Wolfric is making his own edits to Geno. :P
like animation wise or psa wise? sorry for off tropic...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 04, 2012, 09:59:03 AM
like animation wise or psa wise? sorry for off tropic...
It's not OFF-Topic, this is a place to discuss PSAs. :P

Anyways, I can't really give much details. I'll only say it won't be totally the same Geno. :P There's some preview in my PSA thread, and soon I'm posting a more recent preview.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on June 06, 2012, 10:10:16 PM
Will your Tifa be in this?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 07, 2012, 12:26:49 AM
Will your Tifa be in this?
Hmm, depends in whether I like the finished result or not. I've still got to wait for BrawlBox to come out for her. Why? :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on June 07, 2012, 12:28:42 AM
just wondering.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 10, 2012, 11:39:30 PM
just wondering.
Lol 'k.

Updated the OP.

Gimme suggestions if I'm missing anything!


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 10, 2012, 11:41:15 PM
needing a sonic&mario PSA
for sonic PSA i am making SMBZ sonic v2
and for Mario PSA you can use my SMBZ mario PSA(maybe with removed powerups) if you dont like you can change moveset

and did you ported bomberman? since luigi is there for Missing PSAs for:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 11, 2012, 07:51:52 AM
needing a sonic&mario PSA
for sonic PSA i am making SMBZ sonic v2
and for Mario PSA you can use my SMBZ mario PSA(maybe with removed powerups) if you dont like you can change moveset

and did you ported bomberman? since luigi is there for Missing PSAs for:
Looking forward to your Sonic PSA.

I've still yet to try that Mario PSA, I'll do this this weekend.

And no, he's over Luigi still, it was my mistake <.>


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 11, 2012, 09:15:38 AM
Looking forward to your Sonic PSA.

I've still yet to try that Mario PSA, I'll do this this weekend.

And no, he's over Luigi still, it was my mistake <.>
anyway i will possible also do a small update for SMBZ mario PSA then next brawlbox is done
so i can get the Vbrawl FS to work again and not that alittle OP Fire FS and get the Fitmario.pac filesize down again


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 11, 2012, 12:04:50 PM
I see...

Also, mariodk, we've got to find a way to fix Shadow's jump glitch. <_<


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 11, 2012, 12:08:11 PM
I see...

Also, mariodk, we've got to find a way to fix Shadow's jump glitch. <_<
i think the only way to get it fixed is to do a revamp of the port but can´t port shadow over DK (no renaming method) cuz of the filesize on the .pcs or Fitmotionetc.pac


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 11, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
i think the only way to get it fixed is to do a revamp of the port but can´t port shadow over DK (no renaming method) cuz of the filesize on the .pcs or Fitmotionetc.pac
Yes, fix it. :D


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: songeflemy on June 11, 2012, 12:59:56 PM
What happened to that Bowser PSA you said you would look over?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SouthCraft on June 11, 2012, 02:48:54 PM
Hmm. You can have MDK's goku over pit and my waluigi true port over diddy once it gets updated. I know what data said and i will revamp it.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on June 11, 2012, 02:57:56 PM
I see...

Also, mariodk, we've got to find a way to fix Shadow's jump glitch. <_<

Which Shadow PSA are you using and what move is bugging out? I can help you if I had more information.

So It's Sdoom's Shadow over Donkey Kong....... can I get more info on what jump is bugging out(or if it's Up+B)?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 11, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
Hmm. You can have MDK's goku over pit and my waluigi true port over diddy once it gets updated. I know what data said and i will revamp it.
Hopefully you make it work!

Which Shadow PSA are you using and what move is bugging out? I can help you if I had more information.
MarioDK's Shadow over Donkey Kong. The move bugging out is that he gains no height when he jumps while on the "Damage states" on air (Of course). He just triggers the jumping animation and stays in position, really annoying and not fitted to a Tourney if it stays. =/

I really hope you find a fix, I've tried with no success...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 11, 2012, 03:01:32 PM
Hmm. You can have MDK's goku over pit and my waluigi true port over diddy once it gets updated. I know what data said and i will revamp it.
^this since goku is still my best made PSA and getting soon even better

Which Shadow PSA are you using and what move is bugging out? I can help you if I had more information.

So It's Sdoom's Shadow over Donkey Kong....... can I get more info on what jump is bugging out(or if it's Up+B)?
my shadow over DK (its a renamed method hack that possible why the bug) and if a real port the Donkey Kong´s Fitmotionetc.pac or .pcs dont got filesize for Shadow Model or Animations sadly


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on June 11, 2012, 03:26:52 PM
So is Shadow using ANY momentum codes/commands to midair jump? If so, either:

A: Remove them and raise the air jump multiplier attribute instead.

B: Use the momentum variable(Set LA-Bit[57] to true) on the first frame to make the Momentum follow through when it's used out of hitstun. Check out Ike's Special Hi3 for an example.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 11, 2012, 03:31:21 PM
So is Shadow using ANY momentum codes/commands to midair jump? If so, either:

A: Remove them and raise the air jump multiplier attribute instead.

B: Use the momentum variable(Set LA-Bit[57] to true) on the first frame to make the Momentum follow through when it's used out of hitstun. Check out Ike's Special Hi3 for an example.
Hmm, I'll give it a look. But here (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33498917/Shadow.rar)'s a DL link, so you don't need to go through MarioDK's massive list of hacks. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on June 11, 2012, 03:45:44 PM
As I thought. Use of the variable will also make his Up+B consistent out of hitstun too. Proceed?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 11, 2012, 03:47:41 PM
As I thought. Use of the variable will also make his Up+B consistent out of hitstun too. Proceed?
o.o I'll give it a shot. I'll have to add it only to the beginning of both Aerial Jumps, right?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Eternal Yoshi on June 11, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
Yes Set LA-Bit[57] to true in the start of the jumps and the Upb if you want the Up B to remain consistent after hitstun.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 11, 2012, 04:26:20 PM
Yes Set LA-Bit[57] to true in the start of the jumps and the Upb if you want the Up B to remain consistent after hitstun.
You're awesome, Yoshi. :srs:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 11, 2012, 11:45:01 PM
You're awesome, Yoshi. :srs:
does it really work? if so that is awesome


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 12, 2012, 05:56:20 AM
What happened to that Bowser PSA you said you would look over?
Sorry, forgot to reply.

Yes, I tried it. There's so many odd animations and disjointed hitboxes like for the Dash Attack. lol

does it really work? if so that is awesome
Yes, it's all fixed. I'll send you the build with some more edits that I've done for Shadow later.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 12, 2012, 06:25:50 AM
Sorry, forgot to reply.

Yes, I tried it. There's so many odd animations and disjointed hitboxes like for the Dash Attack. lol
Yes, it's all fixed. I'll send you the build with some more edits that I've done for Shadow later.
i am possible revamping the moveset with afew new attacks (alittle from V1 moveset but revamped) since i got afew ideas how to get shadow alittle more balanced and more fun to play


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 12, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
i am possible revamping the moveset with afew new attacks (alittle from V1 moveset but revamped) since i got afew ideas how to get shadow alittle more balanced and more fun to play
Actually, aside from balancing changes (Which I've made), I think all Shadow needs is a fixed Up B. Right now the distances on different directions are uneven. He must have the same distance on every angle he can go, and the total distance must be smaller than Sonic's Up B vertical reach.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 12, 2012, 11:06:53 AM
Actually, aside from balancing changes (Which I've made), I think all Shadow needs is a fixed Up B. Right now the distances on different directions are uneven. He must have the same distance on every angle he can go, and the total distance must be smaller than Sonic's Up B vertical reach.
that i needing to find out how to do still
will also do that to Goku´s up-B


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SouthCraft on June 26, 2012, 02:48:46 PM
Awsome you guys got that to work! Now it's only the run to fix isn't it? Well i Think i know how because sonic's dash animation doesn't have any movement, so if you add more movement for the TransN bone at the end of the animation it might fix up. Since ive looked closely onto the run and it seems like he stops at dash animation and then faster at the run animation.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 26, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
Awsome you guys got that to work! Now it's only the run to fix isn't it? Well i Think i know how because sonic's dash animation doesn't have any movement, so if you add more movement for the TransN bone at the end of the animation it might fix up. Since ive looked closely onto the run and it seems like he stops at dash animation and then faster at the run animation.
Lol... The run isn't glitched, it was made that way on purpose, but I edited it to my liking for this Project. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SouthCraft on June 26, 2012, 02:56:03 PM
 
Lol... The run isn't glitched, it was made that way on purpose, but I edited it to my liking for this Project. :P
:o so it's supposed to be slow? I thought shadow was as fast as sonic, but i haven't tried the sonic version yet but i thought it was fast...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: AnImAiNe on June 26, 2012, 03:08:22 PM
  :o so it's supposed to be slow? I thought shadow was as fast as sonic, but i haven't tried the sonic version yet but i thought it was fast...
when you skate you dont start off fast you gradually build up speed. if someone was racing you on foot against you in skates they would be faster off the start. they would have better traction


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 26, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
 :o so it's supposed to be slow? I thought shadow was as fast as sonic, but i haven't tried the sonic version yet but i thought it was fast...
Slow startup, but the fastest speed.

when you skate you dont start off fast you gradually build up speed. if someone was racing you on foot against you in skates they would be faster off the start. they would have better traction
You're right, but, for Smash, this does not works out. Shadow's initial acceleration was too slow you can't even approach an opponent lol, so I made it more decent.


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Post by: SouthCraft on June 27, 2012, 03:12:08 AM
Slow startup, but the fastest speed.
You're right, but, for Smash, this does not works out. Shadow's initial acceleration was too slow you can't even approach an opponent lol, so I made it more decent.
ok thanks for the info :) but have you fixed the super shadow in final smash yet?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on June 27, 2012, 09:52:12 AM
ok thanks for the info :) but have you fixed the super shadow in final smash yet?
I care about Final Smashes as much as I care about the reproduction in snails: Zero.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on June 27, 2012, 12:49:51 PM
How did you fix the acceleration? Ive tried because my shadow has no pursuit options. I ended up making him walk faster because nothing seemed to work. Also, are these psas to fit into vbrawl?


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Post by: Crashouti on June 28, 2012, 04:50:00 PM
Falco: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27252 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27252)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on June 28, 2012, 05:03:03 PM
Hiya, Albafika, have you made a decision about Tabuu yet, or are you sticking with Dark Lord Ganondorf?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Lone Devil on July 01, 2012, 03:25:31 AM
What about my Darkon over Ganon? it's pretty much a complete replacement (CSP + Everything you need) http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366)

I'm pretty sure the PSA is that balanced. my entry for this tournament is right there.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: TokoyamiTheDark on July 01, 2012, 03:32:33 PM
Well, I got an idea of a PSA over Sheik and Zelda, but I would first need the help of a friend if we want this to be accomplished.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Phazonin on July 05, 2012, 08:33:28 AM
What about my Darkon over Ganon? it's pretty much a complete replacement (CSP + Everything you need) [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366[/url] ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366[/url])

I'm pretty sure the PSA is that balanced. my entry for this tournament is right there.


I think he's awfully strong and some hitboxes seem off. I was testing out a couple of PSAs amongst my brothers last night (we're all pretty seasoned Smash players) and came to the conclusion that Darkon and Illimvra's Petey Piranha were too OP.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on July 05, 2012, 09:21:17 AM
I think he's awfully strong and some hitboxes seem off. I was testing out a couple of PSAs amongst my brothers last night (we're all pretty seasoned Smash players) and came to the conclusion that Darkon and Illimvra's Petey Piranha were too OP.
Lol yep, Petey is pretty broken, and thanks for notifying me about this one.

How did you fix the acceleration? Ive tried because my shadow has no pursuit options. I ended up making him walk faster because nothing seemed to work. Also, are these psas to fit into vbrawl?
The acceleration wasn't broken, I say again. It's just an attribute that can be edited in PSA.

Falco: [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27252[/url] ([url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27252[/url])
Anyone has input on this PSA?

Hiya, Albafika, have you made a decision about Tabuu yet, or are you sticking with Dark Lord Ganondorf?
I've not come to a decision yet. =P

How skilled are you at PSA'ing Specials?

Well, I got an idea of a PSA over Sheik and Zelda, but I would first need the help of a friend if we want this to be accomplished.
Hmm, okay. Make sure to share it here.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on July 05, 2012, 09:28:24 AM
Hmm, two things. He says that the Crash PSA isnt finished yet. and... which attribute is that? I matched all his attributes to Sonic and he still started slowly.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: AnImAiNe on July 05, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
hey  Albafika do you know a way to remove peach's floating?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on July 05, 2012, 09:50:10 AM
Hmm, two things. He says that the Crash PSA isnt finished yet. and... which attribute is that? I matched all his attributes to Sonic and he still started slowly.
PSA is self-explanatory on many things, just take your time and read.

it says it in "0x01C Run Initial Velocity", just increase this value more.

hey  Albafika do you know a way to remove peach's floating?
Check the Jump Tabs, it must be there (Of course, if you mean the floating thingy that happens if you press the jump button, a la Mario 2).

I can give it a look once I get home in 6 hours though.


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Post by: AnImAiNe on July 05, 2012, 10:17:08 AM
Ok ill send it to you then


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on July 05, 2012, 10:18:33 AM
Ok ill send it to you then
Hmm, yup, send it over. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on July 05, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
I've not come to a decision yet. =P

How skilled are you at PSA'ing Specials?

I'm a beginner at it, why do you ask?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on July 05, 2012, 12:15:04 PM
Add Thor to the list :D He's gonna be over Luigi and will be finished this week. :happy:

Edit: Hm... realized Bomberman is on that list. Well Thor will be .rel portable with no glitches in GFX so he can go over a bunch of people.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Lone Devil on July 05, 2012, 12:36:07 PM
I think he's awfully strong and some hitboxes seem off. I was testing out a couple of PSAs amongst my brothers last night (we're all pretty seasoned Smash players) and came to the conclusion that Darkon and Illimvra's Petey Piranha were too OP.

Can you tell me what moves that seem overpowered and needed to be fixed?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on July 05, 2012, 02:21:51 PM
i tried that but ill try it again Mr Pro.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on July 05, 2012, 02:46:14 PM
I'm a beginner at it, why do you ask?
Oh. ._.

Well I hate Specials. lol

Add Thor to the list :D He's gonna be over Luigi and will be finished this week. :happy:

Edit: Hm... realized Bomberman is on that list. Well Thor will be .rel portable with no glitches in GFX so he can go over a bunch of people.
Indeed. So I'll give it a look when he's out. :P

i tried that but ill try it again Mr Pro.
I never said I was a Pro, did I?

Anyways, I was wrong, it's the "Dash & StopTurn Initial Velocity". Set it to 10 or 15.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on July 05, 2012, 04:25:38 PM
Oh. ._.

Well I hate Specials. lol

Well, what do you want me to change in the current version/final version's Specials?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on July 05, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
THERE WE GO! Thanks. ill do that as soon as i can. Maybe this weekend. And no you never claimed pro, i said you were. Whats the help you need with B moves? I may be able.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Phazonin on July 05, 2012, 06:52:30 PM
Can you tell me what moves that seem overpowered and needed to be fixed?

Hey Darkon360... maybe I downloaded an earlier version of Darkon? COuld you linkify me to your latest PSA? I'll get you a list of moves that we think are off in a lil while.

EDIT: I downloaded the one that's included in Pappy's latest BrawlGC pack.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Lone Devil on July 05, 2012, 08:55:30 PM
Hey Darkon360... maybe I downloaded an earlier version of Darkon? COuld you linkify me to your latest PSA? I'll get you a list of moves that we think are off in a lil while.

EDIT: I downloaded the one that's included in Pappy's latest BrawlGC pack.


Heres the latest version.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on July 28, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
Well, what do you want me to change in the current version/final version's Specials?
Not sure, really. Have you got any recent video?

Hey Darkon360... maybe I downloaded an earlier version of Darkon? COuld you linkify me to your latest PSA? I'll get you a list of moves that we think are off in a lil while.

EDIT: I downloaded the one that's included in Pappy's latest BrawlGC pack.
Still waiting on this input, as Ganon's spot is still undecided.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on July 30, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
You test out that Thor yet? :af2:

100% done in every way.

*goes to check to see if the roster is updated at all*


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on July 30, 2012, 02:59:44 PM
Not sure, really. Have you got any recent video?

Some new stuff was done, but the latest video is on the download of the latest version I released.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on July 30, 2012, 03:28:25 PM
If Ganon's slot is still open, I'm really just waiting on the Akuma model to get done... >_>;


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on July 30, 2012, 08:12:49 PM
Hey Albafika. When my team finishes our project you guys will have a Sheik replacement. (Unless you already have one.) After this project though we will be doing Young Link with a Majora's Mask psa over Toon Link so if we finish in time I'll let you know and you can make it more balanced for Vbrawl and add it to the roster.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on July 30, 2012, 11:37:25 PM
Sheik...

*points to Spider-Man*


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on July 30, 2012, 11:50:09 PM
I forgot.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on July 31, 2012, 11:55:58 AM
You test out that Thor yet? :af2:

100% done in every way.

*goes to check to see if the roster is updated at all*
No, I have not, but isn't he over Luigi? ._. It'll be hard for me to add him over Bomberman, honestly. Bomberman is my favorite. XD

Some new stuff was done, but the latest video is on the download of the latest version I released.
Alright.
If Ganon's slot is still open, I'm really just waiting on the Akuma model to get done... >_>;
Well, that could be an option. :P
Hey Albafika. When my team finishes our project you guys will have a Sheik replacement. (Unless you already have one.) After this project though we will be doing Young Link with a Majora's Mask psa over Toon Link so if we finish in time I'll let you know and you can make it more balanced for Vbrawl and add it to the roster.
Let's see how these turn out, then. :)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on July 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Wolfric. How about instead of my Silver v1 taking Falco's spot, why not use my upcoming Scizor revamp instead? And if you really wanted to, you could also use my Silver v2 for Diddy Kong. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on August 02, 2012, 09:54:44 AM
Wolfric. How about instead of my Silver v1 taking Falco's spot, why not use my upcoming Scizor revamp instead? And if you really wanted to, you could also use my Silver v2 for Diddy Kong. :P
I believe Scizor is gonna be in Falco's slot, even v1 was gonna replace Silver...

As for your Silver over Diddy... If he's to be in this, he'll need a LOT of work...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on August 02, 2012, 12:13:16 PM
I believe Scizor is gonna be in Falco's slot, even v1 was gonna replace Silver...

As for your Silver over Diddy... If he's to be in this, he'll need a LOT of work...
I do agree with you on that one. <.> But I'll make a Silver update when I feel motivated enough to do any sort of work on him. My main priority right now is Scizor.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on August 02, 2012, 12:45:02 PM
How is that going?

I asked a couple times in your thread... but o response -__-


I've been feeling a bit unmotivated lately as well. Little to no work done on Sanji, Luffy, or my secret projects either.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: KingJigglypuff on August 02, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
How is that going?

I asked a couple times in your thread... but o response -__-


I've been feeling a bit unmotivated lately as well. Little to no work done on Sanji, Luffy, or my secret projects either.
I did reply to you though didn't I? <.> But anyways, the balancing of Scizor is slowly progressing.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on August 17, 2012, 06:48:06 PM
Well, I decided to use that new port of SouthCraft of Waluigi over Diddy, so Pit's spot is free!

And yes, KJP, I'll be using the new Scizor on Falco probably. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Ikuto on August 17, 2012, 06:49:49 PM
Pit=Goku? lol.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on August 17, 2012, 06:50:40 PM
Sora is almost done (Marth portable) and Wolverine v3 is almost done as well. Sanji and Luffy are close to completion too. (Peach and a marth portable)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on August 17, 2012, 08:00:02 PM
Pit=Goku? lol.
Uh... Yeah, I forgot about Goku. o.o I've got to test him, mhmm.

Sora is almost done (Marth portable) and Wolverine v3 is almost done as well. Sanji and Luffy are close to completion too. (Peach and a marth portable)
Wolverine's still over Wolf?

And hopefully the rest are pretty solid. :D


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on August 17, 2012, 08:11:08 PM
I'm aiming to finish Tabuu before the end of the year, so what else does he need before you continue to consider him? :) If he still needs balance stuff, which ones?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on August 17, 2012, 08:58:48 PM
Yes, Wolverine is still over Wolf and Sora is already tested to be a very solid character. Only thing keeping him from a release is his Final Smash coding. Which doesn't actually come into play for a tournament xD

Gonna get in touch with Anonymous for a status update and go from there. Wolverine also only needs a small bit of tweaking before he's finished as well. If you've got time to kill, I could always use extra help xD There isnt' much left. Literally just making sure his Dive Kick works right, and making sure his ground final smash combo hits everything correctly.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 18, 2012, 08:51:53 AM
Uh... Yeah, I forgot about Goku. o.o I've got to test him, mhmm.
Wolverine's still over Wolf?

And hopefully the rest are pretty solid. :D
if you testing goku please send me the feedback since i am planing to update him with better GFX models for afew stuff/better SSJ transfrom so SSj4 transfroming is possible/and more revamps and updates

also if you needing a moveset for jiggypuff you can use scott and then use my coming gotenks moveset over lucas


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: TP on August 18, 2012, 09:49:36 AM
Cool but why not mate two more movesets for goku and make one tranform to SS1 or 2
And hold to tranforn to SS4. (and Is it possible to make vegeta tranform to SS1,2 or 3 and Hold A for SS4?)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 18, 2012, 09:54:38 AM
Cool but why not mate two more movesets for goku and make one tranform to SS1 or 2
And hold to tranforn to SS4. (and Is it possible to make vegeta tranform to SS1,2 or 3 and Hold A for SS4?)
i think its fine goku just got kaioken+SSJ mode and not Kaioken+SSj1 mode+SSj2 mode+SSJ3 mode+SSj4 mode

for vegeta i think its fine for him to only have 1x SSJ mode  i think +2x modes is too much :
1. too many animations/PSAing/polygons(if a transfrom) is needed so filesize limit can´t handle it
2. SSBB was made with 0 modes at all only transfroms for FS and nothing on taunts so already 1x mode on taunt is too much for a project like this but since i am making alt. versions where the modes for SSJ/kaioken only show the transfrom/GFX and not change the moveset its fine for a Tournament Pack


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: TP on August 18, 2012, 09:55:56 AM
ok so he can only tranform once?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on August 19, 2012, 08:59:22 PM
His fighting style isn't vastly different to need those other transformations.

I think Mariodk should keep it with 1 or 2 transformations. Ssj3 can be an alt outfit. He should include ssj3 hair bones and ssj4 tail bones for alt models to use with the moveset though.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: AnImAiNe on August 19, 2012, 09:46:01 PM
i personally think there should only be one transformation. i personally dont use kaioken at all because naturally i think of using super sayian instead and as first choice


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on August 19, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
That too lol.



Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on August 19, 2012, 11:38:02 PM
His fighting style isn't vastly different to need those other transformations.

I think Mariodk should keep it with 1 or 2 transformations. Ssj3 can be an alt outfit. He should include ssj3 hair bones and ssj4 tail bones for alt models to use with the moveset though.
he will get that+also a new system for kaioken and SSJ mode+a new way to use FS spirit bomb so you can control better where you wanted to throw it


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on August 19, 2012, 11:45:09 PM
Couldn't it work something like Lucario's FS? Just aim it before the release?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on August 19, 2012, 11:53:22 PM
Kinda hard to mimic that if it's not Lucario.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on August 20, 2012, 12:01:10 AM
Sorry, I'm only noob level at PSA. I thought when people studied code it might be sort of the same if they replicated it.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on August 20, 2012, 01:29:15 AM
Sometimes that's the case but some things are hard wired in.  some things can't be replicated because of that... Other things can be replicated in a fake way... Other things work just fine.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: songeflemy on September 01, 2012, 10:21:38 PM
*coughkingbowserpsathatyousaidthatyouwouldtestmonthsagocough*


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on September 03, 2012, 11:54:29 AM
Couldn't it work something like Lucario's FS? Just aim it before the release?
almost like that

a chance for we can get scott over jiggy/gotenks over lucas instead of scott?
 for this pack
since jiggy needs a alittle better PSA then that wisp one and gotenks is only possible over lucas/maybe ness


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: SonicBrawler on September 03, 2012, 11:56:25 AM
I say Knux over jiggs, and Scott over Lucas.

thor on luigi, and bomberman on oli


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on September 03, 2012, 11:56:41 AM
I say Knux over jiggs, and Scott over Lucas.

thor on luigi, and bomberman on oli
jiggypuff can be .rel ported too xd


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on September 04, 2012, 01:28:22 PM
Hey...  Alba... update the OP

:oshi:


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on September 22, 2012, 12:22:19 PM
Time to update. .-.

*coughkingbowserpsathatyousaidthatyouwouldtestmonthsagocough*
He's broken!



@The rest: As for ports, you know I want to avoid every possible glitch that might exist. Shadow stayed because we managed to fix the jump glitch thanks to Eternal Yoshi. If the port is flawless, then maybe.

I've forgotten which PSAs I need to test...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on September 22, 2012, 02:05:27 PM
Time to update. .-.
He's broken!



@The rest: As for ports, you know I want to avoid every possible glitch that might exist. Shadow stayed because we managed to fix the jump glitch thanks to Eternal Yoshi. If the port is flawless, then maybe.

I've forgotten which PSAs I need to test...
Goku over pit i still waiting for feedback from you
maybe gotenks over lucas too


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on September 22, 2012, 07:51:37 PM
Thor over Luigi is flawless :D



Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Tabuu Forte Akugun on September 22, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
This is still going on? Holy crap. I need to hurry up with Tabuu and his fixes/balancing. :P


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: BlueBrain on September 22, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
why dont you get shadow on sonic and hulk on DK once finished? ^^


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kagemaru on September 22, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Yes, Hulk over DK will be very nice :D


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Lone Devil on September 24, 2012, 10:19:34 PM
Thought I should still point this out, y u no darkon over ganon?
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27366)

UPDATED 10/31/2012, Now more balanced, with a better vertex model.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: ABloodyCanadian on July 26, 2013, 04:39:44 PM
Is this still going on?


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Albafika on July 26, 2013, 06:14:14 PM
I still have it. I guess I could resume work and just release it as a Pack or something (With newly useful PSAs), but I'm not hosting the tournament as the community has moved onto looking forward to SSB4 lately.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: ABloodyCanadian on July 26, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
I have a Peach PSA (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=29536) that could be put to good use... maybe...


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kyouma on July 27, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
when will the psa tourney be? maybe I will join


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Kienamaru on July 27, 2013, 06:04:33 PM
I would still like Young Link to be in here. Aside of his spin attack that I'm having insane amounts of trouble with he is 99% complete... for the version 1.


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: Dan the Daniel on August 03, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
Ohhh~! This seem cool... Here some of my ideas:
Tifa over DeDeDe (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=1&Reported=All&Wifi=0&Name=*Tifa+over+King+Dedede+v2.5*&ByUser=*&Credit=*&Info=*&Thumb1=*&Type=**&TypeAlt=*) (It say it won't work on classic mode, but don't worry about that.)

Galaxy Mario over... Mario... (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=1&Reported=All&Wifi=0&Name=*Galaxy+Mario+V.01*&ByUser=*&Credit=*&Info=*&Thumb1=*&Type=**&TypeAlt=*) (Sorry, I didn't know that you don't want brawl characters with change movesets...)

Dragonite over Pit (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=1&Reported=All&Wifi=0&Name=*Dragonite+%28Pokemon%29+PSA+V1*&ByUser=*&Credit=*&Info=*&Thumb1=*&Type=**&TypeAlt=*)

Tails over MK (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=1&Reported=All&Wifi=0&Name=*Miles+Prower+over+MK+v2*&ByUser=*&Credit=*&Info=*&Thumb1=*&Type=**&TypeAlt=*) (some of his animations are... odd... and you need to use a item hack so one of his moves aren't overpowered...)


Title: Re: PSAs Tournament Pack: OP UPDATED [Need suggestions: Roster is still too small!]
Post by: venusaur on August 29, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
Hmm, Wario needs a good PSA. Maybe I could try to make one... Any suggestions?