Kitty Corp Meow Mix Forums

Super Smash Bros. Brawl Hacking => Programming => Topic started by: Elsewhat on November 15, 2011, 07:34:08 PM



Title: About Wii updates...
Post by: Elsewhat on November 15, 2011, 07:34:08 PM
Will the most recent Hombrew update work with the newest Wii update?
 :notimp:
If so, how do I update Hombrew? If not, will I have to update the Wii for it to work with Wii motion and/or Skyward Sword?
Sorry if this is in the wrong topic...  :oshi:
  :kdance: PLEASE HELP AND THANKS!!!!  :kdance:


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on November 15, 2011, 07:38:04 PM
I also need help. I also want Kirby's return to dreamland so bad, but i fear my wii might get bricked, and i don't have bootmii as boot2! BTW It's not connected to the internet. Also, where can i get the new update?


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Protoman.EXE on November 15, 2011, 08:09:23 PM
1. You can bypass this update by loading the Skyward sword or other new Wii games with USB Gecko or something like that.


2. You want to udgrape your Wii, WITHOUT INTERNET? It's possible through very careful .WAD installs(google) but BE EFFN CAREFUL!! I permanently bricked my Wii, and this was befo BootMii, before Vertexing was possible! I have a new one, but Be careful. Don't make the mistake i did...  :>.>:

But to get these files google loves you.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on November 15, 2011, 09:43:01 PM
Wait you mean i can use gecko os to boot return to dream land? Also, does uninstallking every homebrew remove traces of it? I only have These:
HBC
Riivolution Channel
BootMii as IOS

If i Remove these, will it be safe? or should i use that .wad? What does that .wad do anyway?


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 16, 2011, 02:13:07 PM
The worst thing an official update can do, is remove the homebrew channel (and cIOS, if you've installed it).

However, there is a way to install homebrew channel on firmware 4.3, and that's by using using letterbomb (or any game exploit). http://please.hackmii.com/

OR

If you already have hbc, you can simply download this hackmii installer: http://bootmii.org/download/
Put the 'boot.elf' file in a folder (name it whatever you want), put it in the 'apps' folder on the SD card, then load it through HBC.
Your files should look like this: X\apps\"foldername"\boot.elf"
When the installer has loaded, go to uninstall HBC, then re-install it. Also, if possible, install bootmii as boot2.

NOTE: If you've region-changed your wii (or done any kind of "hardcore" mods to the system menu), it will most likely brick with an official update.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Elsewhat on November 16, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
So if I do get a new official update to play the game, it won't permanently brick my Wii? Also, I'm not sure it'll be safe to play Skyward Sword on the Wii without updating....


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: mnsg on November 16, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
USB Loaders also work for bypassing update partitions.  When you install an ISO onto a USB device, only the game partition is installed.

Of course, for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, you do lose the ability to play any of the masterpieces, since each one has their own partition (none of which are included when installing the Brawl ISO).


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Tempo_ on November 16, 2011, 02:40:36 PM
You're free to update if you want.

Be aware that if you update through the Disc Channel, you can potentially brick your Wii.
If you load a game through Gecko, it should "update" your Wii without having to worry about bricking.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: pikazz on November 16, 2011, 04:46:19 PM
since this topic is up, I wanna ask a simial question.

I wanna have skyward sword and dreamland but I am scared about HBC and I will not download it :srs:
anyway, I tried to install USB Loader GX with cIOS but I failed,
however, I see now I can't play SSBB though discplay and only on Riivulotion. when I tried to play MKWii on Riivulotion, I can't play it on discplay either D:
worse case, I dont have bootmii and I can only get bootmii by reinstall HBC but the only way for me to install HBC is from stack brawl but discplay can't read SSBB D8
so my question is like this:

1. if I update my wii, will this fix itself? I believe it's something about the cIOS and though the nintendo will update those to regular so I think it will fix itself but I dont wanna buy a new wii if I am wrong.

2. will HBC disappear if I update it? I am unsure about this,
my wii had updating itself twice, once with NSMBWii and HBC stayed, but the second time, it disappeared D:


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: mnsg on November 16, 2011, 05:42:45 PM
You need the HBC in order to use any USB Loader programs.  You're pretty much screwed if your Wii's disc drive is not working, especially since you need it to run Brawl, and execute the Smash Stack exploit.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Elsewhat on November 16, 2011, 06:03:05 PM
Hrm... so I gave up and updated my Wii.  :notimp:

I switched it back on...

and my Homebrew channel was still there.   :srs:

So I ignored that for a bit and downloaded a game.

The game I downloaded on the shop channel worked fine.

 I started up Homebrew, Gecko, and then Brawl.

I put in the Gamecube game I played before updating back in. That worked fine.

 Everything works fine.   :happy:
...
 :srs:

 :notimp:

WHY!?!


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: pikazz on November 16, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
You need the HBC in order to use any USB Loader programs.  You're pretty much screwed if your Wii's disc drive is not working, especially since you need it to run Brawl, and execute the Smash Stack exploit.
funny thing is:
I dont need USB loader lol
my disc drive CAN read every game I have EXCEPT for SSBB and MKWii.
MKWii was unreadable after I used it in riivulotion so I believe it's something there :[


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on November 16, 2011, 07:59:13 PM
It  a virtual Console game, so idk. You can run pirated VC games on an updated firmware i think, its just that if you upgrade to the current 4.3 i think it is, you lose HBC, and pretty much everything goes downhill from there. Not sure abt Riivolution though.

Wait, are you pirating Dreamland? Then just install the WAD file using WAD Manager, simple. Unless your installing something heavy like a whole firmware upgrade, you'll be safe. :D
I'm not trying to pirate it lol. But I do want it though...
You're free to update if you want.

Be aware that if you update through the Disc Channel, you can potentially brick your Wii.
If you load a game through Gecko, it should "update" your Wii without having to worry about bricking.

Oh that's good. So it bypasses the Homebrew brick thing? If so, I can just get the game and load it through Gecko OS, and wii updates itself without the risk of bricking? if so, then i guess i shoulde be fine! :D
Hrm... so I gave up and updated my Wii.  :notimp:

I switched it back on...

and my Homebrew channel was still there.   :srs:

So I ignored that for a bit and downloaded a game.

The game I downloaded on the shop channel worked fine.

 I started up Homebrew, Gecko, and then Brawl.

I put in the Gamecube game I played before updating back in. That worked fine.

 Everything works fine.   :happy:
...
 :srs:

 :notimp:

WHY!?!

It didn't brick your wii!? did you like only have HBC and bootmii as ios? Because i feel like uninstalling bootmii as ios. But Now i'm really not sure. should i follow what Tempo_ said? or what elsewhat said? Elsewhat, what homebrew software do you have in your wii? Also, would bootmii as ios brick your wii if it gets detected? because i already made a nand backup. I have these:

Homebrew Channel
Bootmii as IOS
Riivolution Channel

and that's it. Would it brick my wii if i updated through disc channel with these still in my wii?


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 17, 2011, 08:08:04 AM
Hrm... so I gave up and updated my Wii.  :notimp:

I switched it back on...

and my Homebrew channel was still there.   :srs:

So I ignored that for a bit and downloaded a game.

The game I downloaded on the shop channel worked fine.

 I started up Homebrew, Gecko, and then Brawl.

I put in the Gamecube game I played before updating back in. That worked fine.

 Everything works fine.   :happy:
...
 :srs:

 :notimp:

WHY!?!

Why should it brick? Just because you have some mods on the wii doesn't mean an update will search for the mod and then brick your wii, it will simply remove it or overwrite it.
Some updates search for IOS/cIOS to check the version. And if the version is lower than the version in the update, the IOS will be overwritten with the new one.
A way to avoid to avoid overwriting of current cIOS is to re-install the cIOS with a higher revision number than the update (preferably max number).

About the HBC, a system menu will search for blacklisted channel IDs (such as HAXX), and if it finds one, it will simply be deleted.
However, the latest HBC ( 1.0.8 ) isn't blacklisted by any system menus so far (as of 4.3), so if you install it, it won't be removed by any recent updates.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Tempo_ on November 17, 2011, 08:50:27 AM
No homebrew app really requires The Homebrew Channel; the channel just makes it quicker to access so you don't run the exploit everytime.

pikazz, Homebrew Channel is safe to install; you can even do this without a disc.
On HackMii, there's a little app called "HackMii Installer". You can run it with another app called "BannerBomb" (if you're in System Menu 4.2 or less) or "LetterBomb" (if you're on System Menu 4.3). HackMii Installer can install Homebrew Channel and BootMii and I highly recommend getting both.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 17, 2011, 09:08:57 AM
^this, also it's possible to install apps as channels (like riivolution) so you don't need to go to HBC or activate an exploit over and over.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: pikazz on November 17, 2011, 09:28:21 AM
pikazz, Homebrew Channel is safe to install; you can even do this without a disc.
On HackMii, there's a little app called "HackMii Installer". You can run it with another app called "BannerBomb" (if you're in System Menu 4.2 or less) or "LetterBomb" (if you're on System Menu 4.3). HackMii Installer can install Homebrew Channel and BootMii and I highly recommend getting both.
hm, I wonder how letterbomb works. does it work with wired internet?

I wanna update my wii so I can see if the discplay can fix itself D:
but I dont wanna buy a new wii if it doesn't work :srs:
only me that has the problem about discplay that only MKWii and SSBB can't be read?


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Elsewhat on November 17, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
Well, using my SD card, I downloaded a bunch of that stuff and installed Homebrew, and all I use on it is Gecko.... but I don't have any other programs but HBC, so I guess I'm safe for now?  :>.>:
What would you recommend me to do if I get Skyward Sword and it wants an update?  :oshi:

And thanks for the info so far!  :happy:


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Tempo_ on November 17, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
Mm, people over at the Wiird forums say you should never update from a disc, but to update by launching through Gecko instead. Gecko just installs the IOS's straight from the disc, while updating through the disc menu messes with your firmware (I think :srs:).

And no exploit requires any Internet access.

As for how LetterBomb works, well I haven't really looked much into it, but I'm sure you've heard of BannerBomb. It uses a (purposely) badly designed channel banner to run unauthorized code (in this case, your homebrew). LetterBomb does something similar, except that it runs the exploit from reading a specified letter in your Wii mailbox (or whatever it's called).


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on November 17, 2011, 06:34:10 PM
^this, also it's possible to install apps as channels (like riivolution) so you don't need to go to HBC or activate an exploit over and over.
Hm... I really only use Riivolution to run all my homebrew. Will my wii get bricked if i update with HBC removed, and these left?
Riivolution Channel
Bootmii As ios

Also, speaking of bootmii, I only have it as ios because the last hackmii installer said, "The installed boot1 prevents a boot2 install." Also, if bootmii as ios gets detected, will it cause a brick? Also, i installed HBC in June 2011


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 17, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
No it's completely safe, the only risk that can happen is the bootmii IOS being removed, which shouldn't cause a brixk.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Elsewhat on November 21, 2011, 08:12:17 AM
Now that the game is out, has anyone tried playing it without gecko? Is it safe? (Just making 100% sure....)


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 21, 2011, 08:56:44 AM
Yup, updated the console and nothing happened! (I've yet to check if my cIOSs is still there)


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on November 21, 2011, 04:59:57 PM
could someone tell me about cIOS? Also, What about Kirby's Return to Dreamland without Gecko?


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 22, 2011, 04:07:05 AM
Kirby also worked, and cIOS is something a hacker installs to be able to play backups.
cIOS shouldn't affect your wii in any way except for apps that use them (mostly backup loaders).


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BlueBrain on November 22, 2011, 04:10:02 PM
havent read both pages, but damn,

DONT UPDATE UR WII, IT DOESNT DO ANY GOOD, AND U DONT NEED THE UPDATE TO PLAY SKYWARD SWORD (for example)

i still have 4.2, and ive been playing skyward sword... soooooo, dont update unless u want to be screwed...

HOW TO NOT UPDATE: simple, if ur game is original disc, and u dont use usb loaders, just play with GECKO, since that wont update...
if u have original disc+usb loader, open ur usb loader, and click on install, and voila, u have the game on ur hard drive >.<


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Naruto200Man on November 23, 2011, 07:54:12 PM
havent read both pages, but damn,

DONT UPDATE UR WII, IT DOESNT DO ANY GOOD, AND U DONT NEED THE UPDATE TO PLAY SKYWARD SWORD (for example)

i still have 4.2, and ive been playing skyward sword... soooooo, dont update unless u want to be screwed...

HOW TO NOT UPDATE: simple, if ur game is original disc, and u dont use usb loaders, just play with GECKO, since that wont update...
if u have original disc+usb loader, open ur usb loader, and click on install, and voila, u have the game on ur hard drive >.<

Um..... Joke....
I have the latest wii operating system and my Skyward Sword didn't ask for an update either......



Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 24, 2011, 08:11:20 AM
Um..... Joke....
I have the latest wii operating system and my Skyward Sword didn't ask for an update either......


It did for me, but that was only because I had some cIOS with revisions lower than the update.
I installed the update, and my only problem was that I had to re-install my cIOS
(This time with higher revision, so it won't remove my cIOS again :P )


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Enigmatic on November 24, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
I have messed with a ton of cIOSes for stuff. I insalled StartPatch so that I wont ever be forced to update. You can play from the Disk Channel without having to go through gecko with it. I recommend checking it out, though it was kind of a pain to figure out how to get it to install. Tons with some other cool options, so it's pretty worth it.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on November 24, 2011, 02:09:42 PM
I won't need it, as I installed cIOS with max revision, which means the updates will no longer try to patch it :D


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on November 26, 2011, 01:59:50 PM
Kirby also worked, and cIOS is something a hacker installs to be able to play backups.
cIOS shouldn't affect your wii in any way except for apps that use them (mostly backup loaders).
Well I don't use backup loaders. is that good or bad? Also, Now that Mario and Sonic 3 is out, i want it, but does it work without gecko? also, for kirby and other games, did you get the game and update your wii if it wanted an update? If so, I beleive you, but if my Wii gets bricked because i got Kirby, Then It's your fault.(or mine) But really, My wii is just soft-modded. like just HBC, Riivo and Bootmii(IOS). But is it possible with the new Homebrew Update to install bootmii as boot2 with 4.3? Also, i got my wii for christmas of 2010.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Elsewhat on December 01, 2011, 04:44:25 PM
One last question (hopefully), is there a site for hacking SS? :V


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Naruto200Man on December 01, 2011, 09:07:59 PM
One last question (hopefully), is there a site for hacking SS? :V

I want That clowns voice effects from the game D:
They're all so.....orochimaru-y D:


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: DarkPikachu on December 01, 2011, 09:52:41 PM
I just want to know if I'm right in saying "UD-ing from a disc won't brick your wii"??

I ask because one of my friends tried it once and I guess either got lucky, or it actually does work...
(and yes, it was only once (when UD-ing to 4.2))

anyways...
that's the only way I'll get 4.3 >_>


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on December 11, 2011, 11:11:26 AM
I've yet to see any real tips on what IOS' are in here. here's my rig:

Wii 4.0U, USB Loader GX with cIOS installed 247. 249/250 are no longer needed as 247's updated properly with everything needed. I played Skyward and MW3 recently with IOS 247.

Also, if you're going for No USB, you can use a Homebrew IOS updater to update only certian IOS' to get stuff going. Most of teh time the App will tell you if it's safe to update that IOS or not.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on December 11, 2011, 11:21:44 AM
Might as well mention my specs too:
Wii menu 4.3E with DarkWii Red theme, Bootmii IOS/boot2, HBC 1.0.8, CFG USB loader, cIOS 249 and 250 (d2x v6) (at max revision so updates won't overwrite).


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on December 11, 2011, 04:48:55 PM
So wait, Sky grounder, do you actually buy the game and whenever it asks for updates, you update your wii? is that how you tested kirby? because i'm gonna get it. Also, have you also tested Mario ans Sonic 3?


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on December 11, 2011, 11:07:26 PM
I haven't tested M&S3, but it should work just like all other games. Also, Kirby worked, Skyward Sword too. (SS asked for update, and when I updated, all it did was remove my cIOS, which isn't dangerous. I re-installed them with max revission and now, no update can remove them.)
pwnage, what hacks do you have on the wii?


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on December 14, 2011, 07:14:15 PM
Just HBC, Riivolution Channel, and Bootmii as IOS. Nothing much really. (No cIOS either. that good, bad or fine?) So am i gonna be fine? Because i really want Kirby.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: Sky Grounder on December 15, 2011, 09:12:49 AM
Then you're just fine.


Title: Re: About Wii updates...
Post by: BriefCasey795 on December 16, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
Thanks alot. I'll get Kirby now whenever possible! :D