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Title: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Jack H. on December 09, 2011, 10:43:06 AM
Loyal Followers of KC-MM,

We've received a last minute renewal notice from our domain provider that states we are about to lose BrawlVault.net and BrawlVault.org.

By heading to http://kc-mm.com, you can help by donating even the smallest amount. A few people would resolve this immediately. We only need $40, and (as per usual) your donations will be reflected on the donations page located beneath our PayPal button on the right hand column of the site.  :kdance: (drop me a note of the amount and your screen name if you donate so I can add your name to the contributions!)

Our traffic has been incredible for over 2 years, an we solute you!

-Jack H.
http://kc-mm.com


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Lord_of_D: on December 09, 2011, 11:04:01 AM
isnt enough being .com? :P. anyway i would like to donate at least 2 dollars...but havent my own credit card :oshi:


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Victory Badguy on December 09, 2011, 11:05:47 AM
I'll try to make a donation soon.  I just need to sort some things out first.

Edit:  Well if PayPal does its job right, you guys should get a cool $40 from me.  Hope it helps.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 09, 2011, 01:30:20 PM
isnt enough being .com? :P. anyway i would like to donate at least 2 dollars...but havent my own credit card :oshi:
Well, technically, ".com" means there's something COMmercial involved, even though people seem to have forgottem about that meaning over time. ".net" is more neutral, I guess ?

I'll try to make a donation soon.  I just need to sort some things out first.

Edit: Well if PayPal does its job right, you guys should get a cool $40 from me. Hope it helps.
Oh wow, that's awesome. Thanks alot ! ^^


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Victory Badguy on December 09, 2011, 01:46:52 PM
Oh wow, that's awesome. Thanks alot ! ^^

You're welcome.  Honestly, I've gotten more enjoyment from this site than I would've from $40 worth of stuff, so I think it's money well spent.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ??_? on December 09, 2011, 04:59:12 PM
So this all goes to dant i presume?


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: SJS on December 09, 2011, 05:02:17 PM
I thought the ads in forum games were supposed ease the money issues? Why not add more?


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on December 09, 2011, 05:09:55 PM
People of Kc has been kind to me in the past. I'm donating $50 (when my cuz says it's cleared)


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ??_? on December 09, 2011, 05:10:06 PM
So this all goes to dant i presume?
scratch that, I just thought about it carefully, and dant wouldn't waste money on domain masks.

So just to make sure I understand what just happened: you asked for 40 dollars for these domain masks that you created awhile ago and consequently should be paying for?  And these are completely unnecessary masks that nobody actually uses?  wow.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 10, 2011, 10:46:41 AM
I thought the ads in forum games were supposed ease the money issues? Why not add more?
Those are Google Ads, and Google only gives us the actual money whenver we reach certain amounts ($100, I believe ?). Since we haven't reached that mark yet, we technically didn't get any of the money yet. We got I think ~$40 in 2 monthes from it. Guess Forum Games isn't such a ressource hog after all.

Also, yes, we'll add more of these little ads under BrawlVault. That's what we had planned from the beginning, but the ads themselves will probably need a bit of tweaking, coding-wise. And considering picano is always alone on the job and currently reviewing for his finals, this will have to wait a bit.
But once they are in place, the funds should start flowing more regularly considering the traffic in BV.

Another thing is that the ad money is supposed to be reserved for the server hosting and possibly getting ourselves something better.

scratch that, I just thought about it carefully, and dant wouldn't waste money on domain masks.
No, that's an initiative from us. Dant is helping us with the hosting, sure, but we're on our own when it comes to managing the website itself.

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So just to make sure I understand what just happened: you asked for 40 dollars for these domain masks that you created awhile ago and consequently should be paying for? And these are completely unnecessary masks that nobody actually uses? wow.
I'm currently checking our Google Analytics page that we created right after our biggest server troubles, to monitor our traffic, and locate the best spots to place ads.

And guess what ? People actually find us with these "unnecessary masks". kc-mm.com/net and brawlvault.com/net at least, are frequently used.
I'll ask Jack if we could drop the .org ones since they don't seem to be ever used anyways, but the other ones ... we'll keep them.

Also, it's not like we're asking for donations very often, or that we've ever been any annoying with ads. Considering how much time we are dedicating to this place, I don't think that $40 Donation every 6 MONTHES is that unreasonnable.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Vyse on December 10, 2011, 11:00:14 AM
And these are completely unnecessary masks that nobody actually uses?  wow.
Because these are things you know. Right.

For your own good, please stop making wild assumptions. Not everything is a scandal. Not everything is a big controversy. Sometimes, you're just wrong.

So just to make sure I understand what just happened: you asked for 40 dollars for these domain masks that you created awhile ago and consequently should be paying for?
Case in point: they were initially bought with donation money, as was everything else. This is not out of the ordinary in the least.

I think Miacis covered everything else relevant, re: ad money, etc.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on December 10, 2011, 11:00:42 AM
I just got a Text from hyoko saying that my donation went through. Maybe we could use some of it to look into Game server Hosting? I'd love to help maintain the servers on my pc, but the net here isn't enough. It would please me and also hopefully get us noticed even more if we have a server Pc with our games on it.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: SJS on December 10, 2011, 11:39:33 AM
Ah, I see. Well I understand how money issues can be. But considering I've done some free graphic design work for the awards, I think I've done my part.  ;D


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Segtendo on December 10, 2011, 11:45:07 AM
I'd love to provide money, but I have no source of income >.<


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ??_? on December 10, 2011, 12:35:56 PM
For your own good, please stop making wild assumptions. Not everything is a scandal. Not everything is a big controversy. Sometimes, you're just wrong.
Case in point: they were initially bought with donation money, as was everything else. This is not out of the ordinary in the least.
The thing that irks me is you're soliciting money from children, and these masks aren't even necessary.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 10, 2011, 12:41:29 PM
Ah, I see. Well I understand how money issues can be. But considering I've done some free graphic design work for the awards, I think I've done my part. ;D
Yyup.~

The thing that irks me is you're soliciting money from children, and these masks aren't even necessary.
This whole website isn't necessary.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ??_? on December 10, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
This whole website isn't necessary.
You know what I meant.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Dot on December 10, 2011, 12:55:26 PM
i would give you all my money, but i have no credit card

and i dont manage dollars :srs:


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Vyse on December 10, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
The thing that irks me is you're soliciting money from children
Oh man you are reaching so far and trying so hard. I'll indulge you for a minute.

If you're under 13, I'm pretty sure you're not legally allowed to be here. COPPA and all that. So the claim that our users are children is already false.

Furthermore, once you're 15 (or 16? can't remember offhand and not gonna look it up for this) you can legally work and make your own money, and managing that money is your responsibility. If you can't afford to give us money, then... don't.

No one is being forced to donate. We provide a free service that I think is pretty valuable (for what it is). We collect only enough money to keep ourselves functioning.

You're complaining about something incredibly minor for the sake of complaining and for reasons that aren't even valid.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ??_? on December 10, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
Oh man you are reaching so far and trying so hard.
I don't think so.
If you're under 13, I'm pretty sure you're not legally allowed to be here. COPPA and all that. So the claim that our users are children is already false.
So you believe that nobody on this site is under 13?  You believe that all kids over 12 have jobs and credit cards, and don't take their parent's?
No one is being forced to donate. We provide a free service that I think is pretty valuable (for what it is). We collect only enough money to keep ourselves functioning.
Ah, here's where you're missing my point.  These donations were asked for domain masks, and none of the money went to dant for server hosting.  These donations aren't going towards keeping this forum up (yeah, you could argue they are traffic-wise, but most of the traffic undoubtedly comes through the blog/forum, and you probably aren't taking much ad revenue in anyways).

I have no problems with you guys asking for donations, but the money should be going towards something we need, like HOSTING, and not useless masks.
You're complaining about something incredibly minor for the sake of complaining and for reasons that aren't even valid.
Nope, I'm actually complaining for valid reasons stated above, for once.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 10, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
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So you believe that nobody on this site is under 13?  You believe that all kids over 12 have jobs and credit cards, and don't take their parent's?
Legally, there shouldn't be.
And most kids this age don't even have means of payment, so there goes the false issue of "asking money to kids".

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These donations aren't going towards keeping this forum up
No, they are going to keeping this forum easy to find for new users and viewers. Last time I checked, this is something relatively important that easily deserves the ~$7 per month. Most of which is often payed by staff members, by the way.

In comparison, "keeping this forum up" costs in the fifties~hundreds, so I think you should try and stop comparing totally different scales.

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I have no problems with you guys asking for donations, but the money should be going towards something we need, like HOSTING, and not useless masks.
And I think your thoughts should be going toward reading actual evidence instead of repeating something silly.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ??_? on December 10, 2011, 01:26:30 PM
Legally, there shouldn't be.
And most kids this age don't even have means of payment, so there goes the false issue of "asking money to kids".
It's funny when I can respond to you by quoting myself.
So you believe that nobody on this site is under 13?  You believe that all kids over 12 have jobs and credit cards, and don't take their parent's?
No, they are going to keeping this forum easy to find for new users and viewers. Last time I checked, this is something relatively important.
Oh, so lets check out the thought process behind that one.  "I'm looking for super smash bros brawl modifications! Hm, I know! I'll just type in www.brawlvault.net! Duh!"
Not once have I seen the vault linked through these masks.  Even the OP.  People get to the vault by clicking on the vault icon at the top of the forum, or through the blogs.  Also, I like how you completely avoided addressing the main point of my post, how I felt the money should be going to dant for hosting, and how this money is in no way helping keep this forum up.
And I think your thoughts should be going toward reading actual evidence instead of repeating something silly.
It's even funnier when I can respond to you by quoting what you just said.
And I think your thoughts should be going toward reading actual evidence instead of repeating something silly.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 10, 2011, 01:38:46 PM
You believe that all kids over 12 have jobs and credit cards, and don't take their parent's?
Then it's the parents' problem, not ours.
Besides, all the people who donated so far were quite older than "kids". So really, right now you're complaining about nothingness, about things that aren't happenning. AKA shuffling air around.

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Oh, so lets check out the thought process behind that one.  "I'm looking for super smash bros brawl modifications! Hm, I know! I'll just type in www.brawlvault.net! Duh!"
Noah, there is NO thought processes. There isn't.

101 people have found our website by looking for "your argument is invalid" on Google.
113 with "sjs csps"
128 with "waddle dee vs goomba"
47 with "kitare, saitan no ikazuchi!" (To which I may add "Ikare, sousei no daichi! Rebirth Crusadeeeerrr!")

There is no logic. Only plain and simple facts that you try your best not to acknowledge : there are thousands of people who got on KCMM with "kc-mm.com/net" or "brawlvault.com/net". That's all there is to it.
You denying the usefulness of these domain masks is akin to a priest denying Copernic's theory. The fact are there, so deal with it.

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Also, I like how you completely avoided addressing the main point of my post, how I felt the money should be going to dant for hosting, and how this money is in no way helping keep this forum up.
Because there are more uses to money than "keeping this forum up". Being visible on the internet is one.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on December 10, 2011, 01:42:26 PM
Noah and his drama =_=''


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ds22 on December 10, 2011, 01:43:22 PM
He tries it everytime something staff related comes up.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: SJS on December 10, 2011, 01:45:08 PM
Hey, I bring in traffic. But I can't compete with those Waddle Dee and Goomba fights  ^-^


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 10, 2011, 01:45:09 PM
We so eeveal.

Hey, I bring in traffic  ^-^
Yeah, you are. xD


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Segtendo on December 10, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
Noah and his drama =_=''
This :\


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Puraidou on December 10, 2011, 01:48:53 PM
Noah and his drama =_=''
He needs to learn to shut up -_-

He tries it everytime something staff related comes up.
I know and it's getting really annoying.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: the98pika on December 10, 2011, 01:50:57 PM
He needs to learn to shut up -_-
^ This.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: SJS on December 10, 2011, 01:53:40 PM
"Hey! Let's all gang up on Noah!"

He's voicing his opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Don't have to slam him just because you don't agree with him.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 10, 2011, 01:55:38 PM
"Hey! Let's all gang up on Noah!"

He's voicing his opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Don't have to slam him just because you don't agree with him.
Even though I understand people getting irritated with Noah always making everything into a big controversy, I have to agree with this.

If you have something else to say about donations, or actual questions, do it in this thread. But don't go off-topic like that. Or there will be sanctions. >_>


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Albafika on December 10, 2011, 01:59:40 PM
:srs:

Yeah, let's all go and call it drama, and we have the community supporting us, so let's also ask for them to do our job for us and organize the forum for us since we can't take 10 minutes to check the OP of the tutorials and know where they belong.

Seriously, "community", don't go around pointing fingers like a bunch of robots, use your head just a bit more.

We keep hearing from the staff they "need a better host" 'cause Brawl Vault gets too much traffic, and instead of "asking for donations" for this purpose (Which is also on doubt, since there are other ways to get money), they're asking for donations for 2 domains that are rarely used since the only domain promoted out there is "kc-mm.com".

I've been (And AM an active member on many forums with their own domain, and I'm sure quite a few in here are, too) and this has been the only forum/"community" I've seen where the staff asks for these kind of things.
Even though I understand people getting irritated with Noah always making everything into a big controversy, I have to agree with this.
You amuse me.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on December 10, 2011, 02:00:43 PM
"Hey! Let's all gang up on Noah!"

He's voicing his opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Don't have to slam him just because you don't agree with him.
I think everyone agrees with me at the fact was that his first post had the point.. then he just snowballed away from the point and decided to go on a whiney rant. It was fine on that first post.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: ??_? on December 10, 2011, 02:04:05 PM
You denying the usefulness of these domain masks is akin to a priest denying Copernic's theory. The fact are there, so deal with it.
Because there are more uses to money than "keeping this forum up". Being visible on the internet is one.

Yet again you miss my main point.  Money should be going towards dant for hosting primarliy.  The OP didn't even bother to point out that the masks and the actual server are separate.  I do recall a time when Dant almost wasn't able to keep the server up because of financial issues?  FFS, let's prioritize.

He tries it everytime something staff related comes up.

This :\

First off staff, I'd like to thank you for answering to my complaints so maturely.

Now shut the [censored] up.  I've made legitimate points here, you can't just brush them aside because I do this often.  I'll admit I've been wrong to argue in the past, but it doesn't mean you can ignore what I say.

Especially you segtendo, I didn't bring this up at the time because I didn't want to start [censored], but congratulations, you've made me angry.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg758334#msg758334
you first warn someone because someone complained about it, and then you removed the warning because you were told to.  You are constantly acting on what people tell you to, and it's often wrong.  Try to start thinking for yourself, if you can.

I think everyone agrees with me at the fact was that his first post had the point.. then he just snowballed away from the point and decided to go on a whiney rant. It was fine on that first post.

Actually, I've just been adding to my original post with legitimate points and reasoning, and it's getting brushed aside as usual because I complain a lot.  There are reasons why I complain a lot.  It's because I don't like something that's going on.

As to everyone else, I really appreciate you contributing to the discussion and pointing out why I'm mistaken.  It's very mature of you.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Segtendo on December 10, 2011, 02:05:34 PM
I removed the guy's report cuz he was a new guy. Even SJS said that the guy was only a new guy.

Why the hell does it matter that the report is brought up here or not? It's about BrawlVault, not moderation -.-


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Puraidou on December 10, 2011, 02:06:45 PM
I removed the guy's report cuz he was a new guy. Even SJS said that the guy was only a new guy. Why the hell does it matter that the report is brought up here or not? It's about BrawlVault, not moderation -.-
He likes to complain and drag other issues to a discussion that has nothing to do with it.

And with that i'll leave ;)


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Ӄit ßallarɖ on December 10, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
What ever. You guys can sit around and slap each other with fish. I'ma go cook mine.


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Albafika on December 10, 2011, 02:09:17 PM
I removed the guy's report cuz he was a new guy. Even SJS said that the guy was only a new guy.

Why the hell does it matter that the report is brought up here or not? It's about BrawlVault, not moderation -.-
Let me rephrase that for you:

"Necroposting... FIX IT!
Segtendo: I'll give him a warnin'.
SJS: But he's a noob. Just tell him not to necropost, where to post requests, and lock the thread.
Segtendo: I'll remove the warning and tell him not to necropost. Wink Am I doing it right?

What ever. You guys can sit around and slap each other with fish. I&#039;ma go cook mine.
He likes to complain and drag other issues to a discussion that has nothing to do with it.

And with that i&#039;ll leave ;)
It's funny how you guys, like, follow a sequence, and when something's fishy:

"Whatever, seeya.

uMad? Bye."


Title: Re: KC-MM Needs $40 for .net an .org Renewal!
Post by: Miacis on December 10, 2011, 02:12:54 PM
If this has to derail into discussing Segtendo's moderation tactics, I guess we'll just close this topic.

The donation goal is reached, and I'll pay the $40 that I was planning to pay for the domain names myself, anyways. No need to keep this thread open anymore. See you in 6 monthes for the next donation.