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   First off i would like to thank all the creators of the models and PSAs we use to make all this possible. This is the Information thread for the progress on Project Pokemon. We plan to create complete PSAs for every pokemon on the roster. I know Pokebrawl is already in existance, but what we're going for is a brawl with all new movesets as well.

*In order to see what is most recently updated, use CTRL+F and search the most recent date listed.


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We plan to cover every Character, Stage, Subspace Villain, Boss Battle, and Multi-Man battle with all Pokemon. If anyone can assist us dont be afraid to offer, we will take all the help we can get. :kdance:

*Any progress posted is the progress until the next version of our PSAs are released, not any of the versions on the vault.*

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*Gyarados* Gyarados will soon be added to the roster. That is, as soon as we figure out who he's going over.

*New Pokemon Profiles* Ive added a few new profiles for a few pokemon, but they dont contain any info besides CSPs. Soon the new profiles will be updated with movesets and progress like the others.

*Movesets Added* Any Pokemon updated within the past couple weeks (today being 3/30) should have movesets. Check them out if anyone's interested and feel free to comment.

*Screenshots Added!* Post cool In-Game screenshots of pokemon on the topic and if they're cool we'll add them to the new "Screenshots" section. Just say who's the main Pokemon in the pic (If theres more than one) under the picture, and we'll get back to you if your screenshot is going to be used. :happy:

*Guest Pokemon Needed* So its harder than I thought to find Guest Pokemon for everybody. Anyone not listed is lacking a guest. High priority pokemon would be:
Blaziken
Electivire
Empoleon
Gallade
Gengar
Torterra

What's Needed/Problems :oshi:



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Characters on the roster are:


Beedrill: Meta-Knight
Bisharp: Mario
Blastoise: Squirtle
Blaziken: Captain Falcon
Charizard:
Dragonite: Pit
Electivire: DK
Empoleon: Ike
Flygon: Ness
Gallade: Sheik
Gardevoir: Zelda
Gengar: Wario
Groudon: Bowser
Haunter: Sonic
Haxorus: Peach
Heracross: Olimar
Infernape: Fox
Jigglypuff:
Kabutops: Lucas
Kyogre: Samus
Lucario:
Marowak: ToonLink
Mew: Kirby
Mewtwo: Rob
Oak: Snake
Pikachu:
Rayquaza: ZSS
Scizor: Falco
Shinx: Ice Climbers
Torterra: Yoshi
Treecko: Luigi
Typhlosion: Link
Tyranitar: Diddy
Venausaur: Ivysaur
Zoroark: Wolf

All Pokemon will have Recolors, CSPs, and a Guest Pokemon as one of their Recolors.

Guest Characters:
Blastoise: Squirtle
Charizard: Charmander
Dragonite: Hydregon
Gardevoir: Mismagus
Tyranitar: Garchomp
Jigglypuff: Wigglytuff
Mew: Victini
Raichu: Pikachu
Scizor: Falco
Treecko: Snivy
Venasaur: Bulbasaur
Wes: Pokemon Trainer

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(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspBisharp_zpscc569d0c.png)Bisharp Over Mario (Updated 4/28)


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspBlaziken_zps05766621.png)Blaziken Over Captain Falcon (Updated 5/23)  -Download Available




(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspDarkrai_zps4e8248cb.png)Darkrai Over Ganondorf (Updated 6/27)  -Download Available


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspDeoxys_zps8c4d0f08.png)Deoxys Over Marth (Updated 7/13/12)




(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspDragonite_zps622fc3f1.png)Dragonite Over Pit (Updated 7/17)



(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspElectivire_zps83536395.png)Electivire Over DK (Updated 5/10)  -Download Available




(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspEmpoleon_zps95e40ed6.png)Empoleon Over Ike (Updated 3/23)

(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspFlygon_zps00b1504a.png)Flygon Over Ness (Updated 5/17)


Gallade Over Sheik  -Download Available


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspGengar_zpse2d4378e.png)Gengar Over Wario (Updated 3/23)   -Download Available

(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspGroudon_zps4f8944e3.png)Groudon Over Bowser (Updated 12/28/12)  -Download Available


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspGyarados_zps047586c7.png)Gyarados Over ???   -Download Available


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspHaxorus_zps44b74fc3.png)Haxorus Over Peach (Updated 5/17)


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspKabutops_zpsd27a92e0.png)Kabutops Over Lucas (Updated 3/23)


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspMewtwo_zps94dacdc7.png)Mewtwo Over ROB (Updated 5/23)

(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspRhyperior_zps5b75732f.png)Rhyperior Over Dedede



(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspScizor_zps01f4bd8f.png)Scizor Over Falco (Updated 5/23)


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspTorterra_zps7180e669.png)Torterra Over Yoshi (Updated 5/17)


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspTrecko_zpsec3c75aa.png)Treecko Over Luigi (Updated 7/31/12)




(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspTrainer_zpsef27ab0e.png)Trainer


(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspTyphlosion_zpsa4350c80.png)Typhlosion Over Link (Updated 5/10)   -Download Available

(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p645/ProjectPokemon70/Icon/CspZoroark_zpse36478fb.png)Zoroark Over Wolf (Updated 7/23)

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Any questions or comments can be posted below.
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I would like to help on this. I've been wanting to have a game like this for so long.

mewtwo psa port over marth and use deoxys attack vertex or the normal import

Sounds great, we can use all the help we can get. What do you know how to do?


That works perfect thanks. I dont know how i haven't came across that before, I've looked for a good pokemon over Marth forever.

Im also planning on using Tormod's Evolved Pokemon PSAs too because I think what he did is perfect.
The Blaziken V1 PSA will be released soon too. Just working out some last changes before putting it up for download.

Even though I've never released a full PSA, I know how to animate but never completed anything because I was lazy   :P , I know CSPs, some things in Smash Attacks, etc.

why arent u using the actual gallade import? and someone is importing chimchar onto diddy kong and there is a fire psa. also mew over ness is not properly rigged when used with the mew psa animations look messed up. and treeko and meowth need a size mod. and for game and watch the haunter on sonic looks really good with the super fire chaos sonic/shadow psa ive tried it before and it the moveset looks pretty realistic. primape is a better fit on donkey kong than electrivire. Bisharp had some size mod issues an alternative can be using froslass with one of the many ice mario psas

I actually made the recolors before the Gallade import came out so eventually im going to make recolors over the actual import, and as for mew im going to try to fix the animations myself. Treecko, Bisharp and meowth I have already sizemoded, and I am using Shadow to start with for haunter but once again i want everyone to have their own moveset, so the psa i use for him to start with doesnt really matter. And Electivire is flat out cooler than Primape.

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Post Merge: July 08, 2012, 07:46:56 PM

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Do you know anything about importing models?

I've tried once, didn't go so well.  :-\

i can make recolors for the import

love this project xD also kjp is doing right now hitmonchan over cf psa and porygon z psa over falco :P about latias and latios they are rigged to a single bone so you wont be able to animate them at all , you can use all my pokes psas and i made mewtwo on marth so he could be friendly with all marth rel ports since he doesnt use any ext gfx

i started farfetchd but i lost interest if you want i can send you my files if you guys wanna continue him its a preety simple psa i made mostly changed the gfx colour nb downb  and fs(wich isnt 100% working)

haha no problem. So do I just give you a list of things that i want to be done and you choose what you want to do or what? I've never worked with someone else over the vault. Shinymammoth is my neighbor, and what do you know about altering B moves on PSA?


That sucks so bad about L&L haha I'll have to figure out something else for them because i think the idea is really cool.
and your Mewtwo over marth works perfect. I'll definitely use that for Deoxys, and were thinking about using your haunter too because its pretty badass, but if you want to send me the link to the farfetched files id like to take a look at them. I just posted the Blaziken V1 PSA too and its looking pretty good so far.

Hmmm, I'll stay tuned into this..
If you ever need any awesome recolors, just PM me or something.. I'm pretty good at that. o:

Do you have a video of your Electivire PSA? I wanna see how it is. I made a mini Electivire PSA a long time ago. :D I wanna compare my crappy animations then to yours. xD

if latios and latias dont work theres always pichu bros or plusle and minun

yah pichu bros already have a preety decent psa on the ice climbers imo

I like this idea. You could use my pichu bros. and use KTH's Plusle and Minun instead. I think they need recolors first though.

We don't have a video right now sorry. For some reason the wii won't recognize our SD Card when we go to take pictures or save replays.

Are you using Gecko?
Send me a list. And for the B moves, specifically....?

I would actually love to make videos on the progress on all our PSAs but for whatever reason when I record a video or take a snapshot on brawl it wont let me save it to my sd card. I just recently changed over to riivolution so im still working out all the bugs with the switch, but when I get it worked out I will for sure get videos for everyone.

You can only take snapshots on Gecko.

Sweet we couldnt figure it out for the life of us photos  should be updated shortly once we have a photoshoot.

On the B moves though we just have no clue how to replace them. each attempt has been met with freezing or T-stance if we are lucky.

please make buizel

Well you can take snapshots using Riivo, then start the game regularly and copy the pics over.

Sweet that seems like the most convenient way to do things.

If someone would import a model of Buizel id be down to make a moveset for him. I just don't know how to model import just yet.

This sound's really cool i would love to download this when it comes out.

i want buizel either i did that model request Like 3 times and
SonicBrawler sayd to me he was bussy with it that's a long time ago
and he doesn't even answer anymore ...... I want Buizel !

If you guys need PSA ideas, I'm also great at writing out movesets aside from recolors. I can also do CSS stuff as well.

Another note, I've done some Blaziken recolors because I kinda didn't really like the color schemes of the ones in the PSA download. I also did some for Duskull and am doing recolors for most of the Pokemon on the Vault.

That's great because after a certain point you start running out of ideas for things, like pokemon who are physical based without being repetitive. I'll let you know if we need any help.

And with the Blaziken recolors im cool with using yours as long as they're not the ones on the vault. They are done well but im not too fond of their color schemes myself. But another thing is that we have to use the one i have for the pink slot, becuase thats the color i use and he's one of my favorite pokemon.

and on a side note, i dont want to harp you or anything, but do you know how to get rid of Wario's bike? i have shadow ball all set up for his side B and he does everything right except his bike keeps coming out.

bike is being called see the actions or the other tabs  it should be something like generate article x

sweet that worked. Thanks, i dont think gengar would ever be seen riding a motorcycle in any game.

are u making psas for every single pokemon there?

i think its only one over each char


About gengar i bet its possible to add/remove/move bones so it fits over Biker wario too

Your right, only one per character slot, and everyone will have a bonus one slot pokemon as one of their textures. I feel that without recolors for everyone it kind of takes away from the brawl feeling, plus without recolors team battle is almost completely ruined.

And about Gengar, just downloaded a classic wario over biker. Is it possible to just switch the classic wario over biker's model with gengar's? or do i still have to add or remove bones?

Also i'm going to try to put up the Blaziken V1.5 today, sorry its been so long since the last update, i ran into a couple problems that put almost everything at a standstill. But were good to go now.

biker and classic have diferent bone ids  that wario was exported and rigged with biker bones

is blazikens up+special gonna be changed? also imo captain falcolns up smash should be kept the same since it resembles double kick  :-\

I see. I'll get to working on editing his bones. Hey I hate to ask again, but I deleted the gengar pac i was working on and the only backed up one i had was the one before i removed his bike. I went in and did the same steps as before but he still generates the bike and i cant find anywhere anything talking about generating the article.


I was thinking about using that animation for his up tilt but im not sure. I'll see how that looks.

check the action itself and all the other or main tabs the generate article is there somewhere

actually forget that why dont u make it a non fire/fighting move like slash one of bowsers animations or peck

:>.>palm: Damn I cant find anything about it. I opened the .Pac up in the new brawlbox because its a little more visually appealing, and it is easier to find what your looking for. Then i started on the Sub Routines and went through the action scripts, and sub action scripts and looked through almost every sub action and i cant find a thing. I hate to ask Carnage, but would you take a look at the .pac for me so i can finally get him on the vault? I dont wanna sound needy or anything but i just want people to be able to play as Gengar as soon as possible.

yeah send me its the side B you want right?
the pac file should be enough it should be quick to fix i think.

So Blaziken AND (possibly) Gengar? Sweet! Can't wait for them. Wish there was a custom model import for Gengar, even though Aafyre's vertex is pretty awesome.

Sweet dude thank you so much. Yeah its the side B, i just want that motorcycle out of there lol.
I'll send you the .pac in a PM


I know what you mean, the Gengar vertex is amazing, but a vertex can never beat a perfect model import. I uploaded Blaziken btw, its just pending for approval. I believe the link in his spoiler.

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Post Merge: July 31, 2012, 05:54:27 PM

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Can everyone see the entire post? or does it just end at Treecko, because thats how it looks on my end and theres a lot of text under that lol :kdance:

I can post a video showing off the entire Blaziken PSA v1.5 by the end of today if you want, unless you already have one of course :D

Actually that would be great. My only request is that you put a link to the download on the video. I hate it when i find something awesome on youtube and cant download it. Im sure you know what I mean. But thanks again, i'll make sure to credit you for the video.

It will be up by 10PM PST tonight, and ill make the link to the brawl vault to up the DL's XD and ill post back here with the links.

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Post Merge: July 31, 2012, 10:53:20 PM

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Alright just uploaded it, took a long time to edit. Here is the link: Brawl Hacks: Blaziken PSA v1.5 Over Captain Falcon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHy9Wi3Zj6A#ws)
Good luck with this project, wish i could help with PSA, but i am lame...

Hey, instead of using a Lucario port, why don't you use Mewtwo over Marth? I'm using it and it looks amazing and everything works.

I have a question: what pokemon do you have that need movesets?
For that matter, what pokemon models do you have over what characters?

magicap needs a moveset
and that moveset will be easy to make all you needing to make is splash

*Magikarp
And I'd like to be able to use Magikarp in this game :srs:

magikarp also learns tackle , flail and bounce so he can actually kill some pokes xD

u should make blazikens up special one of his signature moves sky uppercut

Indeed. SHould be easy to make, he just has to do come kid of punch up. You could add fire effects to make it look cooler.

haha i like the hint of character you put in your video, thank you so much for making this. Your video also made me realize that i should probably give more info about his attacks. Sorry about the lame unedited Final, but were trying to making like thirty PSAs at once so the movesets are top priority, not only that me and my partner dont like to play with the smash ball or items very much. The taxi is a future taxi and it drives itself  ;D



Okay this may be long.
Bisharp over Mario (No Guest Yet)
Electivire over DK (Still no Guest)
Kyogre over Samus (What can i say, No guest Yet)
Kecleon over Yoshi (Damn, we need more guests) We may also use Cresselia instead.
Gastly over Kirby (Gengar Guest)
Infernape over Fox (No Guest)
Raichu over Pikachu (pikachu as guest)
Treecko over Luigi (Id like to have Snivy as his guest but hes over squirtle)
Blaziken over Captain (Maybe Hitmonchan as Guest)
Mew over Ness (Victini Guest)
Groudon over Bowser (Aggron or Nidoking as guest, maybe both because its hard to pick)
Leavanny over Peach (Lopunny Guest)
Gardevoir over Zelda (Mismagus Guest)
Gallade over Sheik (Maybe Hitmonlee Guest)
Pichu over Ice Climbers (Latios and Latias are being a pain because they are rigged to the same bone.)
Deoxys over Marth (and yes were using the Mewtwo over Marth as the origial.)
Scizor over Falco (Scyther Guest)
Darkrai over Gannon (No Guest yet)
Farfetch over Metaknight (Still hoping someone will come around with Excadrill)
Drifloon over Pit (I know its lame, but there is nobody over pit  :srs:)
Team Rocket member over ZSamus (We dont have a model for this, but if we dont get one ZSamus will be colored to look like a rocket member.)
Emboar over Olimar (Mario Port)
Jirachi over Lucas (No Guest yet)
Simisage over Diddy (This is subject to change, we have a couple other ideas we may go with.)
Pokemon Trainer will just have textures of other trainers.
Charizard over Charizard lol (Charmander Guest)
Blastoise over Squritle (Squirtle Guest)
Venasaur over Ivysaur (Bulbasaur Guest)
Golett over DDD (May go with something else)
Zoroark over Lucario (Ive been told that the maker of this may port him over Wolf, if so we'll go with that to still have Lucario)
Empoleon over Ike (Falco Port)
Mewtwo over Rob (No Guest Yet)
Jigglypuff (Wigglytuff Guest)
Gengar over Wario (No Guest Yet)
Toon Link is undecided, Maybe Meowth? I just dont like the guitar.
Zangoose over Wolf (Maybe Zoroark, but if not Bearitic Guest)
Wes [Pokemon Co(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/143/193/cad-20080602-358b1.jpg?1309710446)eum] over Snake (Red as Guest)
Haunter over Sonic (No Guest Yet)
 :af2: Finished haha

Most of the Pokemon Listed there also have Partial Movesets, Meaning we finished most Smash and Tilt Moves.

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Post Merge: August 01, 2012, 02:50:28 PM

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Actually that would be awesome, because Blazikens up B takes up so many actions, and if i do that i would probably be able to make Brave Bird (Side B) a charge move.

Magikarp is beast with is tackle and flail at level 100! We all had to do it once haha

I should also have noted, the No Entry Data Code should be enabled with all our Pokemon PSA's.

I have Mewtwo over Marth and Zoroark over Wolf already... They both work fine. Mewtwo has PSA, but Zoroark doesn't.

Haha, no prob, and making 30 PSA's at the same time seems like way too much work  :o  anyway if you need me to post another video soon, pm me, and ill post it ASAP. and also, i agree that Sky Uppercut would be epic  :happy:

Definitely go with Sky Uppercut bro, I remember I used to always have Blaze Kick and Sky Uppercut in Sapphire.

Where's Magikarp on the vault? I would so download him! Magikarp is so awesome it's orgasmic xD

I support this project cuz its pokemon lol
I haven't followed this thread much what's being worked on right now? Also i like the Blaziken PSA :D

Well man, considering I lost my SD card, i have nothing to do anymore :( so I'm gonna have to wait to get any hacks for a while.. Sorry RevGen. :(

will the updated graphics of brave bird resemble this? (http://i.imgur.com/W7Tzr.png)

Thumbs up for this

Would it Be Possible to Rename the Zoroark PSA's .pac file and his motion file to match Wolf's? If so that would be perfect.

Okay sweet, and i'll make sure to credit you for making the videos on the download.
I guess Sky uppercut won by popular vote, the next version of him will have that, and a charge version of Brave Bird.

Everything i listed above, just bits and pieces of everyone at the same time lol.

Alright no problem dude, ill get to work on those CSPs for blaziken if you like.

Thats where im a little stuck. I cant decide if im going to use graphics like that, or graphics from the game. Im leaning more toward the game version because thats what i know better. I haven't watched the show in years. But i'll probably post a poll about it.

Well you would need to .rel port it if you want it. The Zoroark PSA was only made on Lucario only.

rel porting lucario takes away all the codding including  the up B being disabled even with psa i tyed it before if lucario is rel ported the up B reads no codding even if they are there.

RevGen! I found my SD! :D Now I can play with Blaziken and finish the CSPs!

You'r CSPs look perfect. Everyone make sure to re-download Blaziken V1.5 for the CSPs BPs and a bunch of other stuff, along with the updated Blue Blaziken.


Damn that sucks. If the Zoroark PSA doesnt get finished for Wolf, we have already started working on one for him.

Zoroark PSA started for Wolf? Awesome! And thank you for the compliment on the CSPs, I'm here for any Pokemon projects you need me for. ^-^

is treecko gonna run on four legs like squirtle?

I really like all your projects, but there should be a hack over pit and link, I'd like to make an import over them, but I can't think of anyone

Try to use Grovyle Over Pit and someone else Over Link, doesnt really matter who it is if you can rig em right since they will need a new moveset anyway.

beedrill over link?

Maybe take Soneek's Hydreigon over Charizard and put him on Pit for the wings?
I think Aggron deserves a PSA, so maybe put him over Link or another person who doesn't have a Pokemon model? I'd say Snake but he's being used for Wes, but I find Wes useless if all he'd do is spawn Pokeballs cause it'd be cheap.
Maybe Rhyperior? I already have recolors for a certain model of Rhyperior, and a written moveset I believe.

I wouldn't really say Grovyle since there's already Treeko, and Beedrill over Link makes no sense, he'd make more sense over Pit for the flight.

Btw Rev, if you ever need moveset ideas I'm good at coming up with those.

flight wont matter if its getting a moveset and if u rig the pin needles or whatever the arms onto the sword it can be possible and maybe excavalier can go on pit with the two spears and it levatates

Actually it does matter since it makes it easier, it's hard to code in a good looking glide so might as well go with the one that already has a glide in its Fit(character).pac. Makes it easier for the PSA-er and it makes it possible to animate the wings since on link he wouldn't have the bones for the wings, he'd need a custom boneset or something.

its not required to glide and pits wings and beedrills wings are way different your better of rigging pidove for its bird wings instead of the bug's

Yeah, but they can't be that different in the bones, can they? And pidove has no arms or long legs, and Beedrill does. Plus Beedrill > Pidove.

if u attempt to utilize pits wings pidove is a better choice but beedrill is just straight awesome

and is there a way to take fox's up special graphic (fire fox) make it blue and use it for brave bird?

But the bones will most certainly be only a line, so the shape of the wings won't matter

Im Not Sure Yet. It would be more proper if he ran like in the show, but he looks damn good with his current run. I should probably break down and do it anyway though.


Dude that would be awesome, I'll send you a PM and well talk about it. I know literally nothing about model importing so you were exactly what we needed.


I agree, Aggron, Hydregon and Rhyperior all need PSAs but we all know that slots are limited, but there are currently a few lame pokemon on the roster so we may have room for all three. That and Aggron kicks ass. But with the wes thing, we have noticed that yes, he is horribly unbalanced and cheap, but were trying to figure out a way to limit him even more, maybe a longer stall time between pokeballs, or limiting which pokemon come out. We are also making his only usefull attack the pokeballs, the others will have no knockback and do little damage. But if we cant figure him out we will for sure replace him, but the idea of a pokemon trainer that throws pokeballs is pretty sweet.
I'll send you a list of pokemon we need ideas for too, and i agree a flying pokemon should go over Pit. Hydregon is pretty bad ass.


Agreed.


I believe there is, I have the program to swap external graphic effects, but im not 100 percent sure how to use it, but that is a great idea.

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Post Merge: August 08, 2012, 03:27:36 PM

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Were also looking for people to officially join our team so if your interested PM me. Zedkiel you know you got a spot with us if you want it, and Flygon im really impressed with your work, were trying to use pretty much all of your pokemon imprts, so if you'd like an official spot you got it as well.

Beedrill over link would be pretty easy but yet, fitting
Aggron and Rhyperior wouldn't even fit link, snake nor pit bones, I'm making grovyle but over falco, because he can't go over pit because of the lack of verts

Maybe human shaped pokemon could fit more or maybe another pokemon type

Alright then im off to Serebii for some ideas. There's a lot of damn pokemon now and its hard to remember them all of the top of my head.

we need an heracross import and psa xD

My ideas are:
For link, Heracross, Weavile, Garchomp, or Haxerous
For Pit, Dragonite, and Hydregon

What do you think? I would personally love to have Dragonite on the roster, but hes a Charizard texture and sonic brawler told me Charizard cannot be ported.

Im also thinking of removing Groudon from the roster because his size makes him hard to play, but with that I would also have to remove Kyogre from Samus, I mean, whats Kyogre without Groudon? So that would open up a space for Aggron, but i still have my hopes for someone making Typhlosion over Bowser because hes the only fire starter we dont have.

what you mean it isnt portable? it isnt rel portable like most of the chars but you can model port any char  almost over any char and redo the psa on that char of course you cant model port over rob since he has an huge ammount of bones and filesize for the pcs would freeze unless its a peach or zelda model

For the record rel porting chars that arent over marth/ike/MK or jigly makes chars get loads of glitches that sometimes arent fixable even by psa like lucario loosing the up B move entirely.

Thats what he said when i asked him, because i actually wanted to port Charizard over Link to create a Typhlosion moveset, but all he said was Charizard isnt portable, and sadly i dont know how to model port either. I've tried it myself but it didnt turn out right, which sucks because Typhlosion is my favorite starter.

But i see the flaw now. He probably thought i only would accept a rel port, but with me creating a new moveset a rel isnt really needed, and rel porting is a mystery to me Lol.

You could alter the skeleton a bit to fit them. I have a Rhyperior model (if I didn't get rid of it that is), I'll see who he could fit over.. Also you could make the model fit the skeleton and then the animations can make them the size they need to be.

Well I made emboar fit on mario, I made beartic fit on wolf so I can make rhyperior fit on link
I think a good idea could be escavelier over pit, really, how many times have you seen a [censored]ing bug with an armor and two sword-like things?

Escavalier or Hydreigon on Pit. And yeah, if you got them to fit, then you can definitely get Rhyperior working :D if anything, just make the skeleton fit the model and the animations will fix the rest.

its easy to model port but groudon shouldnt be replaced on bowser he is an epic legendary pokemon and evensdoom made a possible moveset for him xD

model porting is easy but them you will lose any articles the char has or even floating points and gain the one that the char will be over for example typhosion would need all specials remade and such  you guys would also need  to recode  all links codding in a attacks ,smash attaks and even trows since what will be inside links pac file is link moveset with his moves.

Did he? I guess i'll have to give him a second chance, especially with a partial moveset i can work with

I've looked up tutorials for it, and tried it, but when i did typhlosion got the running in place glitch. Then i tried the renaming bone index thing, I believe it was the TransN or something like that. But when i renamed the bones it wouldnt save and i still got the running glitch. Im gonna try it again now that i know more.

you need to change bone indexes in the psa file  itself  i did this with my outdated mewtwo over luigi and the new mewtwo over marth thats why they dont use rels or codes i learned all this here http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=276883 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=276883) now its even easier with bbx but you wouldnt be able to use the psa program if you do this with bb you would need to psa with bbx too wich isnt a bad thing at all imo.if you need help i could help model porting typhlosion over link  but you need to send me the links and say if you wanna use bb or the psa program to psa.

Would You Like To Make A Moveset For Cloyster Over Metaknight ?

That would be awkward and fun vagina kombat!

Alright when i get to the internet i'll get started on Cloyster.

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Dude that would be great. I already have the Typhlosion files on my mediafire so i'll send them to you in a PM. Im going to live on that link you posted for the next week too because model swapping would be too cool. Your Mewtwo over Marth is perfect btw. I used it to create Deoxys over marth, then i used a marth port over rob to have the original too. Nice work.

Someone should finally do a Gardevoir model import over Zelda

This, definitely this. ._.
Then I could make a nice matching set for the Gallade recolors I have for the PSA (of the imported model)

Well, we have a gardevoir vertex, but I'm not sure how much it'd differ from a model import...

. . . The brawlbox picture is brawl's original Gardevoir model just for comparing..

And the one on the right?

Also, to anyone who can rig a model for us, we'd like to know if someone can rig Rhyperior over Dedede.

So you guys aren't going to add Zoroark?
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27017 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=27017)
all he needs is a PSA...actually there is one already but it's over Lucario instead of Wolf
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17818 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17818)

I believe Zoroark on Wolf has already been started somewhat.

Edit:

To any importers or model porters:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=49085.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=49085.0)

Gengars Video is up, i am editing Electivire as we speak, here is Gengars though: Brawl Hacks: Pokemon Gengar PSA v1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFn-bEqGRjY#ws)

If the one on the right is from another game than brawl, then the brawl developers used that one and stuck it into brawl themselves lol. That's the same model. Just like Link, Link's brawl model is a modified version of the twilight princes model, literally.

Electivire's Video had serious Vegas problems, it didnt render 3 effing times... but i finally got it up here it is: Brawl Hacks - Pokemon Electivire PSA v1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g3d8esoYRo#ws)

Great job on the videos man :D

Haha thanks no need to complement them, i just write what i see, and try to show off every move. BTW Gallade's video was half rendered, so i have to edit and do it again. DANG SONY VEGAS!!!  >:(

Wait, would you mind using the model import in the video or is it too late? o.o

i can, i need to redo the video anyway, and sinc rev is gone for a while, i have a little more time, hopefully it will be up by tomorrow.

Alright, if you'd like to show off the unreleased recolors go ahead and PM me XD.

I think you guys were planning on making Aggron, so I figured I'd share this with you.

It's just a short moveset I whipped up. Only specials and a Final Smash.

Anywho:


The numbers aren't set in stone. Can't stress that enough.

I also added some notes about what graphics to use and such, just to get a visual. I pretty much have it all visualized in my head.

Just wanted to write all this down before I forgot it, heheh.

Anyway, I'd be interested in animating and PSA'ing all of this myself once Snoopy rigs Aggron over Bowser. I could probably be cheap and use a lot of Bowser's default animations.

So yeah.

We're gonna try to see if it's possible to port him onto snake first, this is a good base but we might change up a few things. Maybe you could also join in and help animate and PSA our other Pokemon as part of the team? o.o Speak with RevenantGenesis :D he's out for another week and a few days, but you can pm him.

Well, I don't know if I should involve myself in yet another... ambitious project. Lord knows what happens when I start something then lose interest. /:

Plus, me taking on other projects right now is crazy talk, considering I've got work and school's coming back up shortly.

I dunno, I think I may just stick with Aggron for now.

Alright, if you ever feel like lending a hand, we're right here.

These are all great man, when i get to a computer i'll update the downloads.

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Your right lol.

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Thats a good idea, and you can totally make the recolors for Gallade, but leave one spot for my own recolor lol. If you have them done just send them to me.

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Thanks man, I'll keep this for when we get a port or something for Aggron.

I never make CSPs until I have your recolor XD send me yours so I can make the CSPs and then send to you.

Alright i'll make it now and send it when I get back. It should be by tomorrow night.

FINALLY Fixed my DVD Recorder, i opened it up and replaced the lens, seems to work now. Gallades video will be edited and posted by tomorrow. And BTW Welcome back Rev.  ^-^

He's not back yet lol he's kinda busy for about another week I think. But that's great news Gawain :D I'm glad you got it fixed!

Almost made it. Thanks for the early greeting Gawain, and its good to hear that your cam is fixed. Im finally back, and ready to hack. PSAs that will be released soon with my coming back are Gastly, Electivire V1.5, and Treecko, but Mammoth and I will be putting a lot of my time into Bisharp, and with the completely badass Typhlosion model Carnage gave me im going to get his V1 out as soon as i can. Zed, i'll upload Gallade when i wake up tomorrow because i've been on the road forever. But all and all im glad to be back and hacking again.

Here is Gardevoirs PSA video: Brawl Hacks: Pokemon Gallade PSA v1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX-Dsaihblk#ws)

I owe all of you an apology. Due to my trip, my recorder crashing, and overall laziness, i present to you this video of me trying to show off the psa and recolors, ON TRAINING MODE, and it came out not the way i hoped. I swear my next videos will be better. again, sorry guys.

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Also you guys, i have decided to use another SD card specifically for pokemon brawl, so i can show off just this stuff (and i dont have to replace stuff alot). If i make the stuff cool enough (like the menu, SSS and CSS) i might post it.

Hey, you may like to know that I just finished beedrill and he looks way better that what I expected I'll post previews later

over who? im kinda curious i know star made one on CF lol

Is it possible to port the Darkrai over someone useless, like ROB? I really like the Darkrai, but I also really don't want to replace Ganondorf with him.

Dont worry about the timing, just glad to have the vid.
And if you'd like you can totally make menus and stuff, it would be cool to have pokemon themed menus.



Sweet, I just learned how to swap models today so we can make space for him anywhere.

Also everyone can expect to eventually see Alakazam, Tyranitar, Torterra, and Cubone to be on the roster.



Im pretty sure it is, but i dont know much about porting. His model can be swapped, but then to get all of his .pac info you would have to transfer it from the original sub routine by sub routine and all that stuff.

who was cuebone originally over?

Im pretty sure it was Squritle.

Didnt it have a running glitch

Really?
if it does im pretty sure i can fix it.

Lol just let me know when to make the next video, im ready to record today, and after 7 tomorrow night.
As far as menus go, not so much menu creation but character icons, logos, stage preivews, csps, and music replacement stuff i do. 8)

Alright cool, Typhlosion may be done tonight or tomorrow night so i'll let you know.
But do whatever you feel like doing menu wise and send it to me whenever you want and i'll check it out and we'll decide whats going into the final download file (reguardless of how far away that is haha) But i may ask you in the future about some music replacement though, do you also know how to do character sound replacement?

Well, I already have a stage pack and music to go with every stage if that helps. I've replaced every stage except for Smashville but that's getting done when I get my laptop back. A pokemon based menu would be cool :D something Pokemon Center feeling I guess? lol or the Pokemon PC? I was actually trying to get a CSS and SSS working but I need help to make the background scroll diagonally and repeat.

Awesome can you send me a link to the stages? I have a few right now but they dont have sss pics and its really unorganized. But maybe Gawain can help with the scrolling background, I've never looked at editing that yet so i would be no help. A PC would be badass for the css though.

I was thinking the main menu as the PC and then I was gonna have the background of the CSS as a diagonally scrolling thing with the type symbols, a custom background I'm making using the original TCG stuff. The SSS was going to be a rotating blue gray Pokeball symbol kind of thing, but I need to finish the stage names and the SSP's before I send them to you. Also, I only really put one song per stage.

Ill See what i can do :p Im free all day staurday, so i can help with all that good stuff. Maybe we can get a IM going (or something like that) and post what we have and or are working on. But ill write back later tonight, around 7-8, and ill start working on a scrolling CSS then. till later then :angel:

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Also i was thinking instead of the normal hand on the css it can be poimted like the Move Pokemon hand from the games, and the Icons could maybe be sprites... MAYBE.

Nah, the stock icons should be sprites :D the pointer hand would be a nice touch to it, that gets my vote. Once I get my laptop back I'll finish the background and we can see how it looks. should scroll diagonally down-right.

if u plan on using sprites do u think they can possibly be animated like from the black and white games possibly .gif files and use the pokemon party sprites as stock icons?

I don't think it's possible to use sprites. Maybe some GB/GBC ones but not GBA ones because those are 64x64. I think stock icons are, at most, 32x32.

cant u resize them

you can resize everything :P but bbx doesnt allow giffs and they wouldnt move ingame just be still i have a few stock icons like zoroark and the stock item is the spirit of him xD

That's what resizing is for :P you do know you can scale an image's size right?

Sorry dude, no animated stuff :( blame Brawl.

(http://i.imgur.com/xpVhk.png) (http://i.imgur.com/n1XZe.png) (http://i.imgur.com/YdMjf.png) (http://i.imgur.com/A7CGs.png) (http://i.imgur.com/3HLtP.png) (http://i.imgur.com/jp9Yq.png) (http://i.imgur.com/mauHx.png)  it can be a stock icon but for pikachu pichu and jigglypuff adding hats and other things can be difficult and possibly hard to recolor some pokemon

Oh, yeah, the party sprites hahaha but battle sprites would look awful if you resize them. The pixels get enormous and it'd be hard to make look right me thinks.

btw when using ice climbers replace model of popo with the pichu melee import instead of using that vertex that vertex is garbage compared to that great import and remove the textures of the second pichu if u only want one pichu

(http://i.imgur.com/7ZVpF.jpg)

Alright, Then I'll wait for your CSS, and ill work on the hand thingy ASAP. i can make it easily, but id have to change hitboxes to use it where the finger points. ALSO to the posts above the Party sprites was what i was talking about, and those for stock icons would be best, not the actual battle sprites lol.
And to Flygon^^^^^^^^^^^^ That Beedrill Looks Amazing, Props to you.

beedrill on pit xD

Not bad :)

i love how ur making Pokemon psa i can wait for the blaziken move set just because its one of my favorite

Just wanted to say yes you can use a version of .gif you must have all sprites to be animated and you can use 2d effects from the game, resize panels, and play looped TextureAnimationData.
-Omni

Beedrill looks awesome. His PSA will probably be swapped over to MK. He's gonna be interesting.

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I think gifs for stock icons would be glorious. I'd love to see that in effect.

would this possibly work? (http://i.imgur.com/XaJdF.gif)

That's not what we mean, that's the CSS Icon, what we mean is the stock icon, the little faces that count how many lives you have left.

I know but i mean is it possible to insert that

Probably not, it might take some work from someone experienced in CSS work.

I recommend getting in touch with SJS he might be able to help you guys...
-Omni

Just came to say I got my laptop back a week early, meaning I can resume any work I need to do :D so RevGen, PM me a list of any current Pokemon you're PSA'ing that need recolors.

Are u going to be changing gallade and haunters icons?

Also whenever you guys need a new video please PM me, i rarely ever check this post (except constantly).

Depends what you mean by Change. o.o

I'm providing new ones with the CSPs for all slots as is the norm for me. If you'd like to see them, I could post them here! ^-^ The Haunter I borrowed from SJS and I shall ask him beforehand if he'd allow me to use them for the PSA release (when Haunter gets one, if he does).

I was asking cuz the ones in the roster preview are the vertexed models not the imports

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/305201_497063656989977_1975713695_n.jpg)
Do these answer your question even better? :D Icons for all of ASF1nk's menu will be made as well.

Awesome! How about css names with that levi brush font?

I am using the Pillar CSS at the moment, is the Pokemon Center CSS going to be using ASF1NK's CSS?
Also the Gallade CSP's look Tight 8)

Well the CSS won't be Pokemon Center, I was hoping that for the Main Menu.
Yes the name will come in LeviBrush too. I can try making an icon for the pillar CSS o.o
Is that the one that looks like SoCal5?

lolz Im not sure ill check. I use a different fonr though "Ultimate Midnight", when i finish all the names, ill post a link too mediafire here if you guys want it.

So I'm guessing you'll do Ultimate Midnight, I'll do Levi Brush. Eventually for the PKMN CSS we should use some Pokemon styled font. Probably one of the in-game fonts.

Hey i haven't been able to get on today, I was at six flags. lol
I'll pm you zed with the recolors list. Im liking how the CSS is sounding so far too. Typhlosion V1 will be up very soon (Like tonight or tomorrow), I just have to fix the hitboxes on his Side B and hes done. Mammoth is probably gonna put out the next version of Electivire up pretty soon here too.

Would you like me to send CSP's for Electivire? I have different ones.
As for Typhlosion, I'm gonna make a pair of recolors and the CSPs and send them to you so you can include them.

Yeah I'll PM you about it.

is meowth going to be using his guitar?

You guys could use any if not all of my Pokemon stages if you need stages

... I wasnt expecting this ever to be finished when I first saw this thread... Thankyou for changing my mind :)

Remember that time I sent you a PM about a rel for your stages? Well this is why :D your stages are included in my stage pack. The stages are finished, I just need to confirm permission with the other stage makers and have the SSS done.

No were not going to be using him. I just haven't made a new pic for Cubone, and were having some problems with is model because his bones are so strange. But were trying our hardest to get him.

WIN! ok you could message Jasonvalle22 for portaits and SSS and recolors. Tell him POKE MASTER directed you to him.That is unless you had someone else in mind.....to do them

I can do SSPs and SS Icons myself.

typhlosion  feedback
N-B in the air doesnt work? it was working when i sended you  probably the gotos got changed since you guys changed the n-B codding

Side B this is what i call an OP move it shouldnt need to make the oponent stuck or else you do 2 side B and your oponent is near 50%  to fix this make all the hitboxes move the oponent away from you  so he doesnt get stuck for 20+ damage each time, also when thyplosion already has the mouth closed the fire gfx is still there and the damage still going the attack needs to end sonner.

upB  it has some wierd gfx probably you guys didnt delete the sword glowon the subactions  also up B on the ground does two flips? remenber  link up g ground is a chargable move its needed some action codding change there to work right sitll wird gfx need to delete sword glow.

AAA the last hit doesnt hit or its really hard to hit  since the two first AA make the opoenent far away and thyplosion doesnt have wings to hit the oponent with.

Side tilt some of the side tilt since link has S3S,S3Lw and S3HI doesnt have the moves character flag checked.

Dash attack for some reason most of the times the leg passes through the oponent  and doesnt do damage it looks like the bone is worng and only does damage on the upper body?


Most of this fixes are preety easy and would perfect the moveset preety well i could do some  if you guys want  especialy the up b action code that i know you guys struggle with  the actions.


Great news i found out how to fix typhlosion eyes :P they looks so much better and he looks much coller now :P, to fix his eyes do this open the pcs,expand the fitlink00 then expand the materials, the expand the ones called eye, click on the newly appeared eye and scroll dont until you see two repeats change them to Clamp so you get two clamps instead of 2 repeats do the some for yellow eyes and eyer just take the repeats and go for the clamps and they eyes will look like they should

So he doesnt have any FS yet? what did you guys had in mind for the fs ? if you need psa help i can help remenber that.

Yeah that was probably the problem with the NB air. I was planning on making it so you cant charge in the air like Samus's, so when you pressed b it would shoot whatever level was charged, and down at an angle. But I was in kind of a rush to get his V1 out because of how long it was taking. Also, when I got typhlosion back from you the codding on his NB that was altered and somehow stopped working. The hitboxes didnt stop, and some of the graphics continued. So there is some weird codding in there right now that doesnt really make sense to me but its making it work. Lol

And yeah I do agree about his SB being over powered. What I was trying to do was replicate Charizards NB but modified. His can easily damage you to 20+ if positioned right, and it has the ability to stop at any time while trapping you to an extent. Id like it to still have the trap effect, but taking the damage down would be a good idea because pretty much no matter what you get trapped in the whole thing.

You called it right with the up b. I thought link's external gfx for his up b may be able to be used to create a more unique fire effect but it wasn't perfected. Im sure you would have better luck than me.

I changed the hitboxes on the AAA combo and made the last hit on his head, but I suppose i diddnt fix it enough to get caught in all three.

I have a new animation for the Dash attack as well so when we change that I will update his motion.

If you like you can take a look at his glitch fixes but i dont mind doing it myself. Im sure you know better than me. Also the idea i had for his final smash was going to be Eruption. I had in mind something like Entei's or Ho-oh's pokeball graphics around him, with charizards rock graphic really small spiraling through the whole thing. What do you think?

And that is so damn awesome that you figured out how to fix his model because that was bugging me so much. I also appreciate the feedback. I knew there would be a few problems because of how much codding was involved in him.

the FS could work since it would fit him there are some marios psas with that FS :P

 The diference between charixard n-b and typhlosion side B is charizard n-b weakens with time and loses range and you have to wait some time to be full again while typhlosion is always at 100% this makes it op imagine bowser and charizard flame never weakneed they would just gather epic amounts of damage using the n-B only if you want to make the fixing balancing  then do and send me the file with the stuff you cant fix that need fixing, i could probably make that fs if i find the mario psa that had that working.

Oh yay.
A Typhlosion.
Whoopty-doo.
I am so happy.
I wasted all my enthusiasm and energy jumping around like a crazy maniac at the excitement of his release. I shall do the stuff that is left for him soon...after I play as him of course :D

Also, it would've been cool if you gave him a Rollout/Spindash/Egg Roll style Flame Wheel as a special.

What do you think about 10 to 15 for the damage? maybe less range too?
Doing his FS would be great too because he would the first new PSA for the project with a FS. Also with Zed's idea what do you think about him going into Flame wheel and shooting straight forward and whoever he hits gets caught in the FS.
I fixed his model too. His eyes look perfect, i'll updated the download with the new models.

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Im stoked to see what picture you use for his CSPs. I couldnt find one decent one on anywhere on the internet. Lol

Oh another thing. Animations for Empoleon are about 75% done, Groudon we got most of his A moves , Dragonite we got his a moves and one B, and Tyranitar we have his A moves as well.

glad to see some progress on groudon and empoleon your are gonna make him on falco? it will be hard to loose scizor for many pokemon lovers imo, same for tyranytar and dragonite  unless they arent over charizard.

i would leavue the side B like it is  make it end correctly when typhlosion closes his mouth  stopping the damage and gfx on that frame just make it send the oponent away slowly so you can still gather so decent damage 15% sounds a good ammount for a side B, well that idea could work since link FS works like that  he rushes if hits anyone it starts the fire collumn  it would need animations for the dash and the connect  part like links.

Thanks Carnage! That helped fix Zoroark's eyes too :D


Now, Quick feedback
A,A,A - damage is fine but in the animation, he pulls back on the last hit, he should step forward instead of backward.
Forward tilt - 26% is a bit too much imo, even if it's if both hits connect. The animation needs work, not fluent. Feels more like a smash attack than a tilt.
Down tilt - looks more like a forward tilt, why does it send the opponent flying upwards? I don't think an attack that is supposed to be a down tilt but jabs forward should send someone directly upwards.
Up Tilt - Damage is fine, animation is fine, range is fine, knockback is fine.

Forward Smash - Perhaps my favorite move on the PSA, just needs a bit more increase in percentage, maybe 20%, 22% half charge, 25% full charge?
Down Smash - perhaps a tiny bit more start up time, it's too fast for a move that hits both sides at once. Maybe you should make him do a spinning firebreath instead? This one also needs damage to be raised a bit maybe 19% and full charged 23%.
Up Smash - I'm not so much a fan of this move for its damage, but that's all, and it should slightly pull towards the flames in my opinion.

Dash Attack - I think he should do a flame wheel instead of a kick. I'm not really a fan of this move either.

Neatral B - If you could somehow make it a hold to charge move and he releases it when you release the button, that'd be better. He disappears on the 4th charge level. Damage is fine and so is range.
Side B - If you can get it to work and possibly look(though not necessary) like Charizard's or Bowsers then it's fine, but right now it's OP. It'd still be nice if this was a flame wheel like Jigglypuff's rollout or Yoshi's egg roll.
Down B - feels like Wario's Down Smash only weirder to hit with. It's easier to hit with if used above an opponent. Should have end lag after.
Up B - It doesn't travel upwards on the ground, and he does it twice. In the air, 14 damage is good. Would be better if he had a bit more mobility to the sides.

NAir - Should be the UAir, looks like a UAir.
FAir - Should be the NAir, looks like an NAir
BAir - Should be the FAir, looks like an FAir. BAir should be similar to FSmash but less hits/dmg/etc.
DAir - 27% is kinda too much I think, for an aerial. Four of those alone will get someone to 100%
UAir - I don't really like this move, it's kinda weird looking, maybe you should make the swaps I said above XD

If you do make the swaps, the New Up Air (current Neutral Air) should be a multihit move that does 5 hits of 2+2+3+5+7

FS still of course needs work

His run feels the same speed as his fast walk.

Okay cool that shouldnt be a problem to do, I'll just reduce the loop time on the graphics and hitboxes. I will do the animation for the FS pretty soon, maybe tonight.
and were actually putting Empoleon over Ike, Tyranitar over Diddy, and Dragonite over pit. Lol


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Yeah from what i hear the third hit needs work Lol. And definitely the damage for his forward tilt is way too much. I didn't even realize it was that high. I'll reduce the damage and change the animation so he doesn't pull back as far before attacking so it looks more like a quick A attack. But as for his down tilt, i actually used charizards animation, and links trajectory for their down As. I will probably change the direction but i think the animation is fine.
The Dash Attack is yes, Lame. But i dont think im going to go with flame wheel for it because hes already got flame wheel for his forward A air, and hes going to use it for his FS too so i dont want to over use it.
I like the down B, but i think a lag afterwords would make the animation look better.
Im not the best with action codding, so i used Up B Links as a base for Typhlosions for now, and i do plan to change it.
The Air attacks i will consider, but i prefer them the way they are. Which attack is which i mean, but i should reduce the damage on his down A air, and i'll definitely look at his run speed

I really think the aerials should be changed around though. His Back Air hits forward, his neutral air looks like he's attacking upwards, his forward air hits in place, and his up air just seems odd. Like physics-wise it seems odd. o.o
As for the Flame Wheel stuff, his neutral air doesn't really seem like a Flame Wheel, this is what Flame Wheel looks like in the anime:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o-2WjWUCSD8/TSCgowzFPeI/AAAAAAAAANQ/hk8FrTMuKvs/s200/Cyndaquil_Flame_Wheel.png) (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/226/9/0/quilava_flamewheel_by_ranger66048.jpg)
It's a burning Rollout attack.

to make flame wheel look like that it would need a custom imported and animated gfx  and  i doubt anyone would make a custom gfx

i might be able to design the model and texture but it will need a constant flaming effect

There ya go Carnage :D there's someone willing to do it :3

And it'd be easy to animate. just make it spin and leave a fire trail as it rolls.

Should it be thicker and bigger than sonics sphere or thinner and and bigger well tell me how it should be compared to sonics sphere

the bigger part can be done by animations since the gfx model needs to be small to fit in the link.pac

so the dimensions dont matter? and i have an idea but it may require permission

I'd say just make it a wheel shape that you imagine Typhlosion would curl into the size of. o.o Just a wheel like the Wheelie characters from Kirby.

did u see the kirby meteor dash psa?   the sphere is in there and im hoping the flame textures will be transparent but if it will be animated i dont know if u want to have them seperately so u can have the sphere spin and the flames spin in different directions the fire fox model can also be used

If you're using the sphere, can you make it more tire shaped?

it is tire shaped dont mind the texture i just applied a random one so it would be better to see than gray and i cannot texture for my life so if any one could texture the sphere for me that would be great

That shapes nearly perfect bro, thanks! :D The texture is fine for now, all that matters is if Rev decides what he's gonna do with it. Hopefully he does use it as a Side B. x.x If not, he should still use it for the FS start up attack.

thanks should i make any more changes and do i add the meteor dash gfx seperate or together and are there any psa plans for beedrill over metaknight?

PSA plans are up to Rev and ShinyMammoth, There might be but idk. I think the effect should be separate.

Ok

everything not red i believe will be transparent unless u actually want that as part of the model it can be some sort of flame surrounding the wheel i guess -edit- i textured the transparent part orange and it looked epic

I have an idea :)

Garchomp V4 over Yoshi and Zekrom when it's finished could be over Pikachu (I know it's a stupid idea)

Zekrom:http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=28772&Moderated=All&facebook=true
(Not done)
Garchomp:http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=11854
(Currently over Pikachu)

I hope I helped (probably not). owo

the porpose is to turn all brawl char into pokemon it isnt replacing the existing pokes and zekron has no attacks cant move what does he do? he just stays there doing t stances amd wait animations?

about garchomp i remenber he had some several glitches in the past since these two models arent rigged to brawl skeletons they cant use brawl animations wich is sad since no one is gonna make 300+ animations for a psa

I agree, plus Torterra is in line to be over Yoshi. We need more grass pokemon anyway.

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I love the graphics too. I cant wait to see them when they're done. Great work so far.

thanks and should typhlosions sphere be like actually typhlosion in a sphere (blue sphere) or should it be flames? either way someone needs to texture it cuz idk how if u wanted to have each recolor have its own individual colored sphere and i tried and cant texture the flames and can u possibly make flame wheel down or side special? and can i join this project?

I'm currently making animations for Zekrom so he can actually fight. I said he isn't finished yet. When I finish, Zekrom will really be able to battle. He doesn't just stand doing T stances. :/

hiw is kyogre being animated?

cant it even be animatable? i dont think stawafle made it animatable is all stuck on 2 or 3 bones i think

Would you like a rigged Kyogree?
I can rig this in just seconds, unless you want to use sarwaffle's because of the hd textures
(http://i.imgur.com/QiHHV.png)
I can make kyogre over samus with rigged hip, waist, bust and arms so you all have to do is just rotate him 90 degrees or simply rigged into chest with rigged arms or even simplier, just all rigged into the helmet like the vertex

Not trying to kill starwaffles vertex, is just that I think his head is somehow... differet

Typhlosion Should be balled up in a sphere coated in flames with the graphic you created spinning around him. I don't think he needs individual flame colors per texture. We've been tossing it around lately and We think it would fit well as his side B. Probably have a kinda slow startup, similar to sonic's neutral B. We'll also use the flame wheel for the FS Nothing really seems more fitting.

And as far as joining goes Tails, We would like to see how this Graphic turns out before we commit but we are interested in what you can do. Also I've been looking everywhere for information on how to import models, if there is anyone who is just awesome and would like to help me figure it out (or just do it) it would greatly benefit us. There are a few other pokemon we would like to see in our final product, and some of the pokemon we are using need better models.

flygon samus has a mere 7kbs of filesizee to psa so im not sure if anyone could make  a kyogra psa under it samus and zss are preety bad on the filesizes :S

there was a pretty good dark samus move set made im sure they can design a kyogre moveset and i would like to help with the pokemon imports but my cpu doesnt support daes i believe i used to import models but then i got a virus and had to restart my computer and it doesnt support them any more and ill try to get u that flame wheel by saturday the latest

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what program are you using thats not supporting the DAEs? Typically its not the whole computer causing the hiccup. 

That flame wheel is looking awesome btw. keep hammerin away, I can't wait to see it in game.

i thinks its just my computer cuz i even tested it i took a standard mario dae stright from a .pcs imported it to 3ds max then exported it and i got a bunch of errors and i got errors in brawl box too and in game theres no model

I downloaded the dark samus a while back too and it seemed like it had a decent amount of codding involved. I think we can make it work for Kyogre, plus Groudon is kind of naked without Kyogre. We'll just have to keep the filesize in mind while its being made.

And Flygon, it would be great to have the upated model for him because Starwaffles is nice, but its not completely accurate.

i heard from snoopy theres no more aggron but he is rigging gengar on wario :/ who can take zss place now?

totodile :af2: ????

it has a decent size of codding still DS is possible since he did manage to use most of samus original  code for it i use that psa also :P just when psaing bbx has problems with the samus file so no psa on bb to reduce smaus filesize :S and no copy pasting ever on the psa program or you filesize will go thrue the roof, kyogra should be rigged on ivy boneset imo with the flippers on the upper part of the legs nad some bones on the back flipper to make it mobable so you guys can atleast keep ivy animations for the misc stuff since ivy does not grab things with his hands then ported over samus or ZSS any of them would work

what about the size mod too?

I think Kyogre might be simpler then it seems. We just need to keep a close eye on whats going in. There are other tricks to reducing filesize. we just have to watch out and keep it intact while we do so.

will groudon be balanced?

The goal of pokemon brawl is to fill every slot with a balanced pokemon. Groudon will be as balanced as we can manage.

the flame wheels just about finished but u need to find a professional to edit the sphere textures but the sonic wind like textures r good to go :>.>palm:

I like whats going on here.

If/when you guys get around to doing Infernape... I'm down to animate/psa for him. He and Scizor are the only pokemon I really care about in Brawl. As for Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard, Pikachu, and Jigglypuff they can be replaced on a whim for all I care.

If you guys happen to rig an Umbreon to Pikachu though... I'd animate that too.

*ninja poof*

Hey guys i havent been able to go on the Vault for a LOOOONNNNGGG time, been to busy with school. I noticed that typhlosion is out so i will make a Video as soon as possible (hopefully tomorrow). sorry for the late notice, but like i said school is a giant brick wall to my free time. :'(

We currently dont have too much done with infernape, I think a couple moves have been changed. If you want to do him I dont see to huge of a problem. Just PM me the text moveset you have in mind for him and we can go from there.

Heyyy guys :) I'm a project M player , a VERY competitive player lol I just made an account here JUST to post this message on here :p

I downloaded DK's PSA for Electivire and I LOVE IT :D Only problem is that he's Brawl style :(

Meaning he falls slowly and I was wondering if you can make your PSA's for Project M as well ? Like make em fall a lil faster ? (: If not , i Understand . But I was just wondering , it would be a PLEASURE to use him Project M style :D

And if you don't know what Project M , it's a LOT like Melee . Just throwing that out there ^__^

Thanks for reading tho (:

making an alt psa ofr each psa would be a pain imo but thats up to them

Ohhh lol well if not , then it's cool . ! I honestly don't know much about PSA's and all that. I just know how to put them on my SD lol . Im pretty sure a lot of people that play Project M over Brawl would like it too (:

But if not then it's cool . No worries (:

hopefully we can see some more Gen 1 pokemon here that'd be awesome  :happy: :happy:

I personally haven't paid much attention to the changes made for project M. What would be needed to change them from one to the other?

You guys should make a video...

I'd like to see electivire before I test him out mainly because a lot of the PSAs that get released are co(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/143/193/cad-20080602-358b1.jpg?1309710446)al let downs. So I don't bother unless 1: I'm involved in the making, 2: I already know the PSA will be decent, or 3: I'm beta testing something for someone.

Aside from those, its hard to trust Animator/PSAers blindly and I don't like downloading things for no reason.

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On a side note, I don't have any ideas for besides a Run, Falls, and Flame Wheel (I'm almost certain it'll work differently then the one you guys made for Typholosion.)

Aside from that, I haven't had too many ideas for him. I'm not all that interested in pokemon since all of my favorite pokemon already have PSAs (Electivire, Lucario, Zoroark, Scizor) except for Umbreon.

But yeah, if you guys have a moveset idea for Infernape, I could look at it and maybe that'll help me decide on what I wanna do if anything. Fox is my first favorite character in Super Smash Bros from 64 to Brawl, and replacing him has to be with someone that is equally good.

edit: Apparently there is a video for Electivire. No offense but I'm not all that impressed. There are more moves that are DKs then there are new animations.

Opinions:

From what I know of , it's just the falling speed . He falls slowly and its pretty hard to control him in Project M lol He feels like he has the same falling speed as Luigi x___x lol

1.) I agree with Kage about Electivire

2.) Kage, if you like Zoroark, how about one over Wolf?

3.) Project: M PSAs are much more  than just fall speed, there's a lot more coding involved.

I like Zoroark, buuuuut... I made Wolverine over Wolf... unless someone convinces me with a fairly awesome moveset, Wolf is staying Wolverine for me. And KJP made an ok Zoroark a while back.

arent they just remaking zoroark over lucarios movest on wolf?

I don't know...

Zoroark by kjp was good but it could be better.

why dont u revamp it? im sure it would be great

Maybe you should give it a shot? You could just make it for the project, you make great animations and your PSAs are very true to their characters.

He'd still be competing with Vegeta for a Wolf slot.

I might though. Since I'm using Kid Buu over Lucario, and DK is gonna be Hulk for me so I'd like to play with one of my favorite pokemon.

Besides, I'd love to have another of your PSAs in my collection, and Zoroark is one of my favorites as well. I think you'd pull off a great Zoroark PSA. KJP's was alright imo, but it could definitely use improvements and some reworking.

If you have a moveset in mind PM it to me. Maybe it'll spark some motivation.

My current projects are all coming to a close at the same time anyway.(Luffy, Sora, Sanji, Hulk) so I'm actually gonna have some time to fiddle with other projects until I sink into my next set of main projects. And helping these guys out with Poke-Brawl might be fun. If they'll have me.

I saw in one of your screen shots my Eterna city gym stage that I deleted off the vault like last year 0_0 (im amazed you guys still managed to keep it).....due to usablity issues. However I will be remaking that stage and I could send one of you guys the link to the new version.

Oooooooooooh!!!


Put a big tree on the left side with two  platforms above eachother on that side as well. The right side could have some  shrubs and a couple pokemon chilling in the background. that would make a fairly dynamic yet balanced stage. [/suggestion]

Sorry about the lack of updates. Me and Rev stumbled across a DS emu recently so Fire emblem has sucked up every second of our lives.

Once we can free ourselves from its devilish grasp we will get back to the pokemon.

I'll try to come up with something for ya bro. I've been swamped with college work at the time so I haven't really had time to do anything fun.

In my opinion, its too symmetrical. I DO like a good and balanced stage, but too much symmetry is boring.

The reason for that is because due to the landscape being similar on both sides, it doesn't matter what side you fight on. Which YES is balanced... but its boring. It IS possible to create balance while having a somewhat exciting looking stage. Try having those platforms only one one side of the stage. And on the other side, put something else. Perhaps nothing... or maybe a moving platform... try something that will make the stage a bit less symmetrical but still balanced overall.  Thats my opinion anyway.

OH I see what you mean, I guess I could remove the platforms on the one side then.

            In ALL honesty I actually HATED the way the stage looked when I first made it and I still do even with the new pokemon, animations, trees and other junk I edited to make it better. I do not feel the stage as whole is (or ever was) of good quality which is the main reason why I removed it off the vault in the first place last year. But then I saw that these guys were planning to use it in their stage pack because I saw it in one of the screen shots on the first page.

And I was like "WTH they're actually ganna use that awful stage?" lol
So I figured, well if their ganna use it, I might as well fix it up a bit so It could look a little nicer lol.

Its a nice stage. I like balanced stages. Just try to make it more interesting. I actually wish I could stage hack cause I have ideas for lots of fun and balanced stages.

But yeah, like I said, try and make it less symmetrical and you may want to take out a few pokemon. it looks a bit crowded. But don't doubt yourself too much,

*looks for pics to double check his words*

You removed the pics xD

Glad I downloaded the stage then xD

But anyway... yeah, its not bad. Its actually really good. Really wish I knew how to make stages.

Lmao well hopefully you will enjoy it. I will make the edits that you suggested to it and repost it........OR if I'm up to it I might do a full revamp of the stage and make it look like the ingame version. Like I did with my Snowpoint City Gym stage.

i changed the texture a little and made it sorta thicker ill post previews soon sorry for the lack of posts about it ive been working on a charmander psa and is there a way u can put the flame on charizards tail onto the flamewheel?

zoroark psa idea:

n b night slash just like koopa claw but no grab its just meant to be a strong slash with start up lag like falcon punch

side b dark pulse- the side b from the darkrai psa except the flames are black

up b shadow sneak zoroark vanishes into that black smoke that surrounds togepi and moves the same way as lucarios up b except when he reappears he spins and slightly damages enemies and the smoke follows him as hes moving it repreents where he is

down b dark pulse or double team dark pulse- the side b from the darkrai psa except the flames are black double team- same as lucarios but a different animation he crosses his arms and that graphuic appears on him and if hes touched he vanishes and reappears with a slash

up smash- upwards slash

down smash- lucarios with a shadow effect

side smash- slash

kjps aerials and a attacks should just be revamped and i think up a and up smash are the same if they are u should definitely change that

Hm...

I'm thinking that Zoroark would make a nice Yang to Lucario's Yin.

I'm interested in making him now.

Ohhh lol I didnt know that >.<

Im not a coder , I just like playing the game . I guess its too much to ask for xD haha . I guess no Electivire for me :'( lol

If fall speed is the only thing you want to do... its actually REALLY simple to do it yourself.

Download PSA
Open the Project M Donkey.pac
Look at the attributes
One of them should be something like fall speed, or gravity or something of that nature.
Remember that number.

Open the moveset (the fitdonkey.pac) in PSA
Look at the attributes
put the number you memorized earlier in the same place.

kagemaru ur gonna use my idea???

Yeah, yours and Zed's. With them in mind, this is what I've come up with... (also, I'm getting the current Zoroark over Wolf model slightly edited so that its better to animate)

AAAA (gonna make an attack 14): left claw swipe, right claw swipe (arms will now be a downward x position), cross slash back to open and cross slash back to closed x.

Up Tilt: Double crossing slash going upwards. This, or a fancy spinning back hand swipe.

Down Tilt: a crouching trip kick kinda like ZSS

Forward Tilt: A double stabbing motion of his claws. The second stab will be in an uppercut motion.

Side Smash: A spinning back hand slash.
Side Smash 2: Using the other arm, Zoroark makes a stabbing motion with his claws.  (People sometimes forget that side smashes can have two parts)

Up Smash: Similar to Sonics, using Zoroark's hair (this is also one of the things I'm getting edited. Adding hair bones and making the claws move with the finger bones.

Down Smash: Spinning heel drop.

N-B: Dark Pulse... Similar to Aura Sphere, or I'll make it similar to Shocking Pink Ball (Kid Buu) Hopefully I can find someone to make a different gfx for me. this will come out good because it can use Wolf's floating points.

Side B air: Shadow Sneak. Similar to Fox/Falco's side B but with a different animation of course.
Side B ground: Night Slash: Zoroark will launch a slow claw strike similar to Falcon Punch. It will eat shields... OR be unblockable. and have about 3/4ths the knockback that Falcon Punch has. OR it will be a claw strike with similar start up to Falcon Punch, but it will have a chance of doing a critical hit which will cause it to eat shields...or be unblockable... or have double knockback... I'm still debating on what i wanna do.

UpB: Some generic up-b looking move... Will be 8 way navigational.

Down B: Illusion/Foul Play: A counter move with 2 options. Option 1, doing nothing will simply cause him to dodge the attack. Option 2, holding A will result in a close line type of situation. Dodigng the attack can sometimes be advantageous.... for example:

Fighting Ike, and you knock him off the screen, his recovery is terribad, and his best move is pretty much his side b. Going off the stage to meet him you use this move to counter, Ike goes into special fall animation and goes straight down, and you get to move da hell out of the way. Yes there are other ways to do that but this is just one example

The closeline for the attack part will send the opponent down. So little kill potential as well. Basically its a damage dealer.

NAir: Hair Spin. similar to Wolf and Sonic's
FAir: Some kinda slash...
UpAir: Probably some kinda slash as well.
Down Air: A double downward strike. I would compare it to Lucario's down air, but it wont be able to air stall and its animation will be claw strikes.

Up: Throw: Uppercut claw?
Back Throw: Illusion slash? Zoroark vanishes and comes up behind the opponent with slash
Down throw: Zoroark Jumps, then comes down with a slash
Forward throw: Zoroark Jumps at the opponent and then kicks off of them.

FS Ground: Night Daze: gains a crimson aura and raises fists up and slams them on the ground causing a crimson explosion. If next to Zoroark, the pound causes a stun.

FS Air: Crosses arms in front and then releases to let out the explosion of energy.
Explosion does 5 hits and last one can kill. It can be DI'd out of, hence why the stun is useful.

FS over 100HP or taunt activation: Illusion Strike: Pretty similar to Meta Knight's...  but its not blockable and everyone is hit no matter where they are.

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Thats what I came up from the two PSA Ideas that I was presented with. If any of you guys can PSA, I could use some assistance with GFX stuff.

I like most of your Ideas for zorark but we think dark pulse should be night shot, its pretty signature and should be include. The only other problem we have is kind of a deal breaker. His side be should not be unblockable, and If it is we will be changing it if we decide to use it in our final package. No character in our brawl or regular brawl have unblockable attacks, nor do they need them. Otherwise the rest of it seems pretty good. That counter seems like it could be a little overpowered but if you can make it fit and be balanced then we will use it.

How is it a deal breaker? The side b thing.... Essentiall it'll take the same amount of start-up as Captain Falcon's Falcon Punch... which is a lot mind you. In I believe all forms of brawl (v, minus, plus, M) Falcon's punch and Ganon's punch I believe have the longest start up and highest knockback (I believe Ike's either is up there as well.) But its not that big a deal to me.

How about this... to make it interesting.

It will roll a % chance for a critical hit. If its critical... it'll do one of 3 effects:

1: Eat your shield (basically you cant block it but if you do you... your shield breaks)
2: Double Damge/Knockback
3: Unblockable with normal damage

If you're still against the unblockable part, then its no big deal with taking it out.
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I'm also not sure how his counter would be over powered? It has no kill potential if you strike with it. And if you only use it to dodge, you're placed into the air... Having the option to hit makes it over powered?

Wow, if I would've read this before PM'ing you. XD

How about scizor over someone more useless other than falco.. like GW.. or Rob, or LUCAS

Or a better mew over ness

what was xzedkiels psa idea?

This:

Look forward to it Zororak, cause I think I'm personally gonna like this PSA more then my Wolverine...

His side-b being slow isn't the issue. An unblockable attack or even an attack that entirely eats your shields is completely unbalanced unless it was twice as slow as ganons N-B.

I said before that the counter sounds overpowered and that if you could make it fit without being retarded advantageous then its fine, I just wanted to make sure you understand that because pokemon brawl is going to be balanced we will change anything on any PSA to fit better.

are there any actual brawl characters with attacks different from their attack in air? like a ground side b and air side b???

Captain falcon's and ganon's are slightly different because of knockback direction and I guess their down b as well since the direction of the attck changes. other then that though I can't think of any off hand.

Marth's neutral special  is called shield breaker... it eats Shields...

In any case  you'll see it when it's done and can judge for yourself then.

I had the wolf over zoroark  model customized so its only going to work with the model it comes with. The previous model wasn't good enough cause it needed bones in certain places and the rig wasn't complete.

What pokemon are currently in progress and who will be most likely to be released next?

Anyone here rig models? I was serious when I said I would make Umbreon if there was a model over Pikachu.

I think umbreon cannot be made over pikachu because of his bone structure, eevee and jolteon look good because they are chubby and umbreon in skinny as [censored], not even animations would make him look fine.

theres always custom bonesets  :-\

Custom bonesets? Out of my knowledge, I'm out.

I play marth. Your shields have to be previously damaged for his special N to kill your shields. I dont mind massive shield damage. but to brak someones shields in one attack is too much.

as far as who is coming out next, we are still crawling out of our FE pit. We are trying to find someone to import models for us because we are unsatisfied with the current roster. I will post again later tonight hopefully with a list of whos to come.

btw when beedrills released id definitely be interested in doing him over metaknight for u guys

You mean

Beedrill over Pit over Metanight
or
Beedrill over Metaknight?

If jolteon works, then umbroen should too. They have the same  build

But no worries. Most of the stuff I animate or psa have custom bones or augmented models in some way.

Beedrill was planned to be model ported onto metaknight

He already is, if you would like to write out what you have for his moveset and send it to me i'll tell you what i think.


Hey Kage, me and Mammoth have been throwing around an idea for a while for the eevee evolutions, but were still pretty far from making it work ourselves. What do you think about (Granted assuming this is possible) having an eevee over whoever, eventually i want him over G&W though because i cant figure out how to make whoever is over G&W to have recolors, who evolves into the other eevee evolutions using model changers. Each evolution would would have the same or similar animations (for filesize) but with different graphics and flags.

Thats totally possible. However, Evee has a different bone structure then its evolutionary forms.

Its possible... if you don't mind the models looking a bit... meh I guess. Cause the other forms could probably use whatever Jolteon is using and it'd be ok.

In any event, you should probably have about 7 different requirements that will trigger a float bit. That particular float bit when activated, when the player taunts will trigger an evolving animation into the evolution of their choice. The bit wont go away so even if you die, then you'll come back as the pokemon you evolved into.

Its possible for all 7 but you may wanna do 7 different versions with just one evolution for each. It saves file space and that way you could change more moves and people could pick the evolution they want.

I just had to say, Jolteon is much thinner than umbreon, especially his legs, whoever said he is chubby is wrong. lol their build is totally similar.

(http://i.imgur.com/qDhU9.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ow71r.png) pics are blurry cuz i had to enlarge them and textures will be edited and should the wheel be thinner?

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(http://www.deviantart.com/download/326476462/umbreon_by_darkninja500-d5edium.jpg)
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(http://www.dltk-kids.com/pokemon/adoptions/134.gif)
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090604182361/pokemon/images/9/91/Leafeon.png)
(http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/glaceon.jpg)
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the thickest one is actually Flareon... the skinniest is Espeon, but Espeon's only smaller in the legs. Their general body builds are all pretty similar.

Jolteon, Umbreon, and Leafeon are actually the closest in body type.

wont the tails be a problem?

It depends on how the model is rigged.

For example... if its rigged over Pikachu:

Eevee has no tail (or a small one... I forget)
Jolteon has no tail... not an issue
Umbreon and Flareon have a similar "base" structure for their tail... Umbreon's being more basic only needing maybe one or two bones where Flareon would need 2-3, small issue but ignore-able...

Espeon, Glaceon, Vaporeon and Laefeon all have pretty much the same tail. If you're worried about the bifercation in Vaporeon and Espeon's tail, thats not hard to add another bone to the bone tree for that.

All in all, it wouldn't be too hard to animate.

I do like the idea of separating them for filesize, but damn how cool would it be if all of them were on the same PSA. Obviously thought we would be able to make the PSAs way more in depth if they were seperated.
And yeah it doesnt seem like they would be too much of a problem with their tails or anything else. Really the only problem i see is Espeons split at the end of his tail would be locked, but still thats not really a big deal, unless they they had their own bones with their own names for the motion file to tell them what to do, while still not effecting the others.

If we do split them though, maybe it would be a good idea to split them up the way you just did into two Eevee PSAs with different evolutions. Or, maybe we can split them per generation?

And has anyone heard anything about the Gengar import that Zed brought up a while back?

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Just a little thinner. But its looking perfect. I cant wait to release the next version of Typhlosion. Its gonna be a lot better.

Question: When do you guys think you will finish this whole project?

That is a question we can never answer.

Lmao well is it ganna be before 2013?

Possibly and most likely not, replacing every single character is gonna take a long time. Thanks to you and a few other people, the stages are all done. I've got the music covered as I replaced at least one song per stage. I'm also making some, if not half, of the BRSTMs.

Know what would be cool? replacing the SSE enemies with Pokemon. Not the ones in the Pokeball item or in the Pokemon Brawl roster.

Oh I see, well I was only asking because I finally managed to finished my Pokemon HG/SS Elite 4 stage pack last night (all 4 elite 4 arenas from Pokemon HG/SS), I can show you pictures if needed. So I was going to ask you if you wanted to put any of em' in the Pokemon PSA Pack pack but you said you got all the stages finished so never mind then lol.

Are you guys going to do that idea with the SSE bosses??
Seems like that would be a lot of extra work but then again it would being staying TRUE to the name "SUPER POKEMON BROS. BRAWL"

Yes we are, Boss battle enemies as well. Were pretty far from focusing on that part of the Project just yet, but i think when we start it wont be too much of a problem because the SSE enemies dont have that many animations that we'll need to do, at least in comparison to the other characters.
Hopefully in the future we will get someone to join the team who knows model importing well enough thats willing to import the pokemon for SSE and Boss Battles so either I, or someone else can do their animations and codding. But as of right now we dont have an official model importer.

(http://i.imgur.com/AfVli.gif) i was thinking that for beedrills down special but better animation of course

Well, I could replace some stages if these new ones are better. o.o

Still chugging away at Zoroark. :D

Only real issue I came to was creating a Wait2 for them... (since I had already made Zoroark's... Entei and Suicune's have to be 115 frames and I cant think of what to do for them.

Aside from that, it shouldn't be too hard to fit their animations into the movements that I've done for Zoroark already. The hard part will probably be their walks... Sooooo not looking forward to animating those.

That looks great. I'll be sure to get the Beedrill .pac and the model to you today. The old one i was working with got corrupted so i have to make a new one.

Maybe a Bowser like Wait 2? where he pulls his hands in and they shake? Im just throwing around Ideas.
But yeah i have a problem with the walking and running animations myself as you can see with Typhlosion. I dont know if you have the same problems, but making them loop into eachother is tough, at least at the moment for me.

doesnt flygon have a raikou model? and if someone can give me an up b idea that would be great

Zoroark's wait2 is done, but its Suicune's and Entei's that I'm having trouble making. Dunno really what to do for them...

Zoroark's walk will probably be the same as Wolf's because I remember trying to make a custom walk for Wolverine and it didn't pan out too well... so yeah... gonna leave those alone.

An up-B for Typhlosion? (I truthfully don't know who you're working on) Maybe it could be a fire attack shot downward that propels him up?

I believe so, and a Zapdos thats bad ass. Sadly were trying to stray away from putting more Legendaries in the final because were planning on maybe making Legendary Pokemon Brawl as a sequel to our current project, but who knows when we'll get there.
As for an up B for Beedrill maybe use Tailwind, and we'll put a cool wind graphic under him propelling him up. For pokemon info I live on Serebii.net in case you didnt know about it. Make sure to click Black White Pokedex for their most updated attacks.



Sweet, im stoked to see Zoroarks finished result. Your animations kick ass. haha
But as for typhlosion's up B when i was fist doing it my idea was a fire attack shot type attack, but i decided against it because i have the feeling were gonna be using an animation like that frequently. We already are doing that exact attack for groudon, so i figure we should try to use an attack like that as little as possible.


 

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Naturally, Im sure the newer Poke Master's stages have the potential to be better because you can only grow in experience as you go.

the move doesnt need to be a move learned like (pikachu using skull bash and thunder jolt jigglypuff using rest ivysaur bullet seed)  so we can expand ideas and I was thinking a yoshi jigglypuff or kirby like up b and sky upper cut quick attack needle arm u turn air slash silver wind?? But most likely if u can take the tornado with razor leaves upside down twirling under him for tail windand final smash hurricane he starts flapping his wings and spinning then i was thinking a bunch of grey tornados with razor leaves whirl around the stage for a short time

The legendary Pokemon is a good idea. I'm making Reshiram over Mario right now, but I'll post it tomorrow because I'm on my 3DS. You could also use Mewtwo, Mew, Deoxys, Rayquaza, the legendary dogs, and the legendary birds (including Ho-oh).

Well there's 4 new Pokemon stages in my vault. See anything you like use it, if not then it's what evs =)

I actually forgot that I haven't put anything on Smashville XD since they're all able to go on Battlefield with no .rel, I'll be able to put them on Smashville. Now all that's missing is a fifth stage.. Maybe the Champion match from HG/SS? That'd fit in perfectly. o.o

Even though Smashville is 5 stages in one.....it doesn't work like that when stages are rel.'ed over it. It's not like Spear Pillar where if you use a rel. and rename the stages the game will read all 3 stages. You know how there's STGVILLAGE_01,02,00,04 and 03? if you use a rel. to move the stages over smashville the game only loads what ever's in the STGVILLAGE_00 slot. It's as if the other stages aren't even there; which is why I made the Elite 4 stages over 4 SEPERATE stages in brawl. The smashville concept was my first idea.
Then I tryed to put them over Lylat Cruise because Lylate Cruise is AMAZINGLY another 5 in one stage (i found that out recently) but NO stages at all can be ported on Lylat Cruise.

Darn :( that rules out my Smashville idea.. Unless you somehow managed to port them over Smashville. If they work on Battlefield with no .rel, maybe it's possible to port them to Smashville with no .rel? Idk x.x but it's really one of if not the only stage left to replace.

I can't port them all over Smashville with the rel.....but it may be it is possible for me to move all the models from the battlefield stages onto the smashville stages so that would elimminate the need for a rel. file. So I would take all the models from elite 4 wills stage and move them over to STGVILLAGE_00, all the models from Brunos stage and move them over to STGVILLAGE_01 and so on.

It would be like taking a snail out of its shell and moving it into another shell lol. But I would have to remove the balloons and effects from the smashville as well. I just recently learned how to edit stage effects so hopefully i'll be able to do it.

Actually, you can rel port the Elite Four stages over Smashville without problems, I had done this for other stages before.
You can do that with Smashville, it works like Spear Pillar or Shadow Moses Island, the only two that can't be rel ported over are Lylat Cruise and Castle Siege.

Alright POKE MASTER, I'll try it myself with the rel first to see if Zack is right. If not, then hopefully it's not too much for you to get the E4 stages to work on Smashville. x.x

Oh you know what? maybe it's because I'm using brawl plus, thats why it didn't work for me....

So I was working on zoroark, and I have no desire to make entei and suicune's walk better... I spent hours on them and they look like trash.

In any case, due to file size I'll probably have him un transform when doing most attacks

Are u using raikou? And why don't you port ivysaurs animations?

entei and suicune have their pokeball bones   and raikou isnt being used since on the vault there isnt any rigged raikou anywhere

oh and doesnt flygon have an unreleased one?

No not using him. I think it would add too much to the motion file.

But after i'm done doing the movement stuff, the attacks won't take much longer.  Does anyone want to explain to me how to edit floating points? I wanted to use wolf's blaster thing and replace it with a dark pulse looking gfx.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=24493 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=24493)
Here is a program.

sincerely i just edit articles via PSA and BB and hex. I dont understand the program >.>
its easier to me how i make it :P


Btw, hope someone takes my groudon import for a PSA ill release the v2 soon.

that sucks that theres no raikou but im sure itll still be great and will dark pulse look like (http://i.imgur.com/bwc38.png)  or  (http://i.imgur.com/I3KP7.png)

The first one preferably.  I wanted it to be about the same as Lucario's aura sphere systematically.

Definitely the first one, but instead of purple, more like an indigo color. A repeating ring pattern makes for one sexy looking attack. :3

True.

also I just finished the runs and it's obvious that the filesize it's going to be too big. It's already  4550Kb which I think exceeds the limit.  But I have a trick to lowering the size but that has to wait until the moves are done.  So basically what this means us that the vast majority of Zoroark's attacks won't be able to be done while in illusion mode. Specifically specials.

your groudon needs some fixes even needs a taill rigg some belly and arm fixing and it will be almost perfect :P

Depending in how much I like how smbz Bowser (i'm just the animator not the moveset planner) I may decide to do Groudon. Since i've wanted a Bowser hack for a good long while.

It didn't work even when I switched out the brawl plus codes. Did it work for you?

so entei and suicune wont have specials?

zoroark cant use the moves of the pokemons he transform over if you play pokemon you know lol he cant use any entei or suicune attack unless if he has them on his moveset already

i know but will they be able to use the specials?

when zoroark attacks either normal or special entei/suicune will disapear and zoroark appers doing the attack  then goes back inside entei/suicune

It sounds to me like you are trying to stay true to zorarks abilities, so Im curious if he gets knocked out of Illusion after being hit by a single attack, pretty much exactly how he is in game?

Yeah he will. Transforming is only aesthetic so getting hit won't effect anything and transforming won't take too long. So its all well and goods.

So like you start off as whoever, get hit and then you're zorark for the rest?

i think kagemaru will make  if you press down taunt you transform into entei if you get hit you lose entei and need to down taunt again side taunt can be suicune and up taunt could shutdown both illusions

oh yah that sounds good, we were just confused as to how he started the match and how long it lasted.

so entei and suicune have no attacks at all? they just run and jump?

that is the plan since zoroark cant use entei or suicunes attacks

Yeah so far they LOOK like they are attacking. But its still Zoroark's collision stuff.

For most attacks though they will look as if they are attacking then Zoroark will come out a puff of smoke with the actual attack then puff back into which ever transformation he had.

Starting off the match I haven't decided if I'll have him enter as one of them just yet...

Here is the long overdue Typhlosion Video...
Brawl Hacks: Typhlosion (Pokemon) PSA V1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vtbWbd1oVM#ws)

@Zed wondering whats going on with the CSS you never sent me anything about it so am i still going to work on it or what?  :'(

Also i was thinking about Zoroark a bit, wondering if you guys will be giving him moves based on his Illusion (i know its pretty much impossible), maybe something Tricky, or i dont know. :srs:

Lol. PETA is petitioning against pokemon for animal cruelty. Ridiculous.



Also, does the final stage of Fire Blast not have a fire blast graphic for you? I couldnt tell. And do you know what caused it to freeze? I cant get him to freeze when im playing but the computer does it sometimes.



Would it be possible to make it random? or maybe on the left hes Entei and the right Suicune?

I thought what i saw was the graphic... :>.>: but i guess not.  It freezes at the final smash, but at zelda's stage it might have been an item or something, not typhlosion.

I see, either way look at the screenshot i have of him doing fire blast in the screenshots sections. Its near the bottom of the pics.

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My bad its in Typhlosion's spoiler on page 1

It looks awesome, maybe i didnt pause fast enough. I'll check on it later.

@revenantgenesis i still have no idea what to do for beedrills up b did u think of any ideas? and if we cant find anything we can always reduce his jumps to like 3 and give him an actual recovery, but i was thinking we can use mks side b as drill liner reduce its distance and have it only go straight up

Bee drill: make him fly...

And yes I could make it either random or left/right but I'll definitely make him enter as one of them.

Wouldn't that make him over powered since he's over metaknight and having flying people fly is so casual

Well, I've been busy with college, I haven't been able to do anything Brawl related or anything related lately :( It took me a while to even get a moveset written for Zoroark and send it. But once I get a break, I'll work on getting a background for it. But for now, just get any background that allows you to see diagonal movement. If you can get the background to repeat and move diagonally down and right then get ahead with that. I'll make all of the CSS Icons for the final CSS once we have a fully confirmed roster.

How many jumps you letting him have? 5?

Look at pit... He has 4 jumps then his up b gives him 6 more. mauve something similar to charizard?

i'm actually gonna make zoroark's up b similar to wolfs.

I think I forgot what I was gonna do with the down b though.

I could animate something like that in Flash, but id need to know what you want repeated (i know that sounds stupid) like if i just animate a repetitive normal brawl BG it might look different when another image is added.

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Post Merge: October 08, 2012, 09:46:36 PM

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Maybe send me a sample image i could work with. ^-^

I was thinking four jumps up b drill liner metaknights side b animation but only going straight up and maybe reduced distance

Definitely keep the up b as a recovery, flying just seems far too unnatural for brawl. Yeah there are people with a ridiculous amount of jumps, but that is far better then just being able to chill in the air forever. Granted it makes sense for beedrill to fly but with the characters on our roster, none of them can fly and very few of them are going to retain any additional jumps farther then 4 maybe 5 if its fitting. Even giving him pit's setup 11 jumps or whatever it is with his up-b would be better, because he is still forced to land at some point.

metaknight is plain op if he gets an extra 5 jumps that will be ridiculous it will be better with a short recovery like kirby or mario

this was the moveset i had in mind
rapid a fury attack like captain falcolns punches only attacks forward

side a a a left swipe right swipe double uppercut ( if u used southcrafts knuckles his upsmash )

d air bee sting toon links a flash graphic will appear on his stinger and he will flip then dive straight down

f smash x scissor
 
n b change the graphic too grey and add razor leaves for gust/twister/whirlwind

***up b  drill liner mks side b but only able to go straight up and reduced distance

side b poison jab same exact as peach but different animation less damage and different flags he will spin and stick out one arm lunge forward and if possible his arm will flash purple and he will do some sorta poison damage

d b aerial ace same as metaknights but beedrill will fly diagnolly forward then disappear then reappears to the left swooping diagnolly down 

forward air twin needle 2 stabs with links timing

*=moves are left out i didnt know or they should stay the same

everything sounds pretty cool tails. The only thing Im worried about is his side-a. I know a decent amount about PSA but Im no genius, I haven't the slightest clue how to give him three linked attacks aside from B's and of course neutral A combos. Maybe one of you guys might have some golden knowledge about how I could do it.

thats preety easy you can put all the slashes on a single animation or 2 frames before the first slash end put change subaction and choose one with noone  and rename it to the animation name

^
That

Its not hard at all. Its one of the more simpler things to do actually.

I thought that would work, but never actually trying it myself I wasnt sure how it would.

I do have one other idea that maybe one of you fellas could shed some light on, if its possible at all. What I was hoping to do was give either haunter or gengar hypnosis, and dream eater. The question I have on that is if its possible to make dream eater only hit people who are already affected by hypnosis?

No...

Basically hitting people who are only asleep (furafura I think) I don't believe there is an if statement that takes that into account.

Hypnosis yes...

DreamEater... I don't think so. I just checked the if statements in BrawlBox's PSA and it only has a conditional if you have a status ailment (asleep etc...) So yeah... Dream Eater is a no go.

metaknight has a side a combo already in him when u tap it three times and it would just need an animation change

@kage- bummer lol. Might just throw that in as a final or something then. thanks though.

@tails- Ok I had never looked in mks .pac so I'm asking blindly pretty much.

If you want to make it a Final Smash you could do it like Peach's  and put EVERYONE to sleep...

Then you could have it hit everyone... and call it dreameater... you can actually make it hit only people (thus making it seem as though it only hits those who are asleep) as well since it'll be a huge hitbox pretty much

Yeah it seems like it will work way easier as a final smash. cuz everyone inside the hitbox will be put to sleep and then the second hitbox, same size as the last, will hit them again. giving the illusion that its only hitting sleeping chracters.

Exactly

Also, if anyone is curious as to Zoroark:

the smashes are animated and the side tilt is animated. The only movement left for Entei/Suicune are the dodge animations. They will also have  entry/exit animations on most of Zoroark's attacks.

What that means is that if you are currently transformed into one of them, doing an most attacks will smoothly transition from Entei/Suicune into Zoroark, then around the end of the animation (end lag I guess you can call it) he will transform back into them and it will look like Suicune or Entei are jumping out of a puff of smoke pretty much... you can probably imagine it...

thats sounds preety awnsome xD

Hey does somebody know if Marth can use model changers?
I plan on making Deoxys change forms depending on what hes doing. While hes running Speed Form, Shielding Defense form and so on.

marth has 1 model changer but with bb you can add  has many has you need but you wont be able to use the psa program after also all deoxys forms would need to be rigged on the same mdl0 wich doesnt exist right now :S

Exelent :D

Yeah, I forgot to ask. Was my Kyogre usefull?

just out of random stupidity could you make a Lopunny PSA over peach. I have some of the moves on mind. don't know what moves should go on which button combo, but yeah...

Attract (special hold for longer distance) ( like "zss's stun", except slightly longer) (manaphy heart for attack appearence)

Sweet Kiss (down special) (like the deku nut) (near ranged combat)(won't hurt you)

Assist (forward special) (sends out pokeball/ assist tropy)

Rage (one of the taunts) (allows a curry effect)

Bounce(recovery) (has sonic height) (can be used up to 3 times) (can look almost like ZSSs down special, partially (minus the kick at the end)


etc. those are just few. if you can think of anymore, that would be cool. that is just a small idea that you guys could do. i wanna see that. that would be cool.

Good Luck. (reminder: you don't have to do this, it is just an idea.)(i know how to make PSAs, but not the custom attacks like the ones mentioned above. I only know how to make an increased damage and put damage variables that don't have one such as Wait1.)

Hey just wanted to notify you guys, A Haxorus Import was just released over Bowser today (the rig is ok, but not perfect) Just wondering if we will see a PSA of it, it is my favorite dragon type (though no one else cares XD)

the model is all blocky  just look at it, it seems someone didnt smoothed him out or something

Yeah I wasn't expecting that to be a good rig either because of the way the pictures looked and.....judging by the stuff in his vault; he only knows how to do texture hacks. So I wasn't expecting his first import to be OUTSTANDING

If models are a problem though I should have you guys know I have access to almost all of the Pokepark Wii 1 AND 2 Pokemon Models fully hexed with bones and everything. But it would be up to someone else to put them over another character.

do you wanna make a  second version of tyhplosion over link ?

Actually hes perfect from what ive seen, we just haven't started his PSA just yet.


The coding for these attacks shouldnt be too much of a problem for us to finish, we'll keep these moves in mind when we start her PSA.


Yeah its pretty much done, im just waiting on the Flame Wheel graphic to be finished to release it.

Thank you! although it was just an idea, that would be great! I've always wanted a Pokemon in brawl to have those moves... once again, if you do this, thank you. good luck. btw. is there a full walkthrough on how to make your own PSAs (video-wise like on youtube). You know like Master Ganon's moves or Ether Bowser moves. that really sounds interesting. even making the items look like they are attacks, like what i mentioned above for the custom moveset.  That would be cool. Is there a video that shows how to do that? kind of... If you do this, could you send me the link to it and i will see if it meets the requirements. btw. I've seen the typhlosion PSA. I like how you move swapped some of Bowser moves. that was cool. how do you do that too? sorry if i'm asking so many questions. I just wanna learn more about PSA's the PSA v.2.70, and how PSA's can be used/edited via Brawlbox.

Thanks and good luck with the Lopunny PSA if you do it,

SSBBhacker00

Hey if you guys are still looking for guest character ideas, poliwhirl might be an option for wario/gengar; I do have a model sitting around, but it probably needs repaired and I have no idea how. No obligation or anything tbh. Just an idea

good luck with development!

Thanks for your support. Personally I would love Poliwhirl in brawl, but im not sure how he will work with Gengar's ghost type moveset.
But the next version of Gengar will be released soon with the new model, and a bunch of fixed animations, I just have to finish the codding on his Down B, I still cant figure out how to get his fart to go away.
Why is Wario always such a pain?
lol
But more updates soon guys.

I have a Rhyperior model. Who do I send it to?

I will do Gengars PSA video tomorrow, and video will be up by sunday at the latest.

Flygon would be the man to talk to about that.

Sweet can't wait to see it.

I already have it, it's in models-resource.

Ohh k

If y'all take requests, my favorite Pokemon has been ripped and put onto Metaknight already, just needs moves.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=26921 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=26921)

Boygos did this for me, and I'd kill for moves. Most of them don't even need to change much.

just posting some progress groudon has all tilts,smash and aerials psaed.
i also finished turning bowser N-B(firebast) into a straight projectyle and it looks awnsome xD and you have to let it charge  or he will go short  and its a true projectile :P

Downb solarbeam is also psaed but having troubles with the beam gfx i tryed using geno beam from mariodk one over rob with no luck i will try to pm him so he cant tell me how to use that gfx  if that doesnt work is there any other hack on the vault that has a beam gfx i could use needs to be yellow or blue and it needs a fixed range not giant across the screen.

if i cant figure this beam stuff i will need a diferent up B idea  since it also uses a beam

here its groudon moveset if anyone wants to see it also the FS im not sure it will be possible maybe just a burning rockshoot foward or so since i cant fit a volcano model on groudon

Unfortunately Beedrill is already over MK and he was imported by Flygon specifically for this. Farfetched was the original MK candidate so whenever we get around to Pre Evolved Pokebrawl he'll probably make the roster.

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Maybe an Up B similar to DDDs? But i like what your doing with his projectile, ill probably add that mechanic, where the attack falls short the less its charged, to Typhlosion's NB on his update. I was also thinking about making so you had to hold B while charging, then when released the attack will trigger (Like Darkrai's) But im glad to see progress on Groudon, the more pokemon on the vault the better.

Soon im also gonna post links to the PSAs that others have created that are going to make the roster.

What about ivysaurs solarbeam? And u can always use sdooms original up b idea

Over Metaknight? Lol, I thought he was going over pit xD
I guess I have to remake him, since he's only a 3 minute job because all I'm rigging is the arms.

DAT GENGAR PSA.....
Is freaking beast

Hopefully you guys are making use of the models I sent you :)
The Haxorus, Feraligatr and Tyrannatar. As I told Shinymammoth before, if you need anymore just let me know.

You dont have to do that, Im just gonna model swap him over to MK. Its pretty simple so you dont have to worry about that.
Thanks for the positive feedback. Unfortunately our new model importer has a different method of model importing, but its alright because he has access to a bunch of models. Feraligatr's texture will probably be out pretty soon over Bowser.

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Hey tails, did you get my PM?

ivisaur solarbeam is an all screen beam you can even see it on the new PM trailer  its a infinite gfx i think that would be way too OP for a chargable downB move

his projectile works perfect because i modified bowser fire wich now is you send a single fire symbol fowar d if you continue holding b it will have a pathethic range and since bowser n-b vharges over time it works out great xD DDD up B doesnt fit on a person like groudon i mean he is too heavy to jump like that lol tomorow i will try to make the beam work if it doesnt guess i will try to use goku kameha gfx or something

it should have rigged wings atleast and maybe some leg bones

A simple idea for Gengare. Give him a move that adds the flower for poison damage. The down B hypnosis is a cool idea, instead of charging the fart, he could charge a move that puts the opposition to sleep. But overall id like to see more original moves, and less wario moves.

do you wanna make a psa for latias and latios over ice climbers :P

I like the poison idea, ill keep that in mind. But I was having some problems with the codding for the Down B, I cant seem to get his fart to go away when its fully charged. I still have some tests to do on it to see what is calling the fart though and its been forever since anything has been put up so i decided to just post the version that i knew worked.

If anyone knows off hand where its located that would be awesome.


We decided to scrap that idea for know because when i resized them they phased into each other during their wait 1, and it looked really bad. As far as i know it cant be fixed because they're rigged to the same bone.

thanks to mariodk tip i made the solarbeam  beam appear altough it looks like a kameha of some sorts its decent looking gfx  time for the side bs now groudon is looking good  i hope i wont have filesize problems since its already on 400kb so not sure if i can add another external gfx

to get ride of wario fart get ride of any subroutines or change actions that arent 0 or 14(E) and just redirect the subations to your subactions

Well, that's sad.

Awesome, I'll look into that. Right now im working a lot on the next Typhlosion, Empoleon, and Deoxys, but i'll see if i can find those subroutines and change it real quick because i have the codding for his new Down B already figured out.

Also, im trying to fix Typhlosion's running animation, but im having problems because his body is so weird. If someone could fix his Dash, Run, Turn Break, and Turn Run for the next version ill add you to the collab on the download. If not i'll just see what i can do.

Will deoxys change forms?

nope since there isnt any model with 4 deoxys on one mdl0

Actually I was kinda working on him.

Am i the only person who can't get the gengar PSA to work? i have put everything in the correct places, and i have tried both classic and biker warios, done it on non-hacked stages, and used non-hacked characters with him. im using riivolution, could that be the problem?

probably i dont know where you need to put the wario files in rivo im a gecko user

Working on who?


Thats odd, Im using Riivolution as well. Where does it freeze?

Deoxys. That's why I put his name in bold when I quoted you.

Oh, well it could have been better specified. Is he almost done? Because mine is, but if it is i'll wait to put mine out and if its good i dont mind just using yours. I didnt think you did PSA work.

Sorry about the confusion.

Anyway the animations on mine is almost complete. After I'm done with that, all I need to do is the actual PSA work which hopefully won't too long. And I do PSA work. It's just that it takes a while since I'm usually doing this stuff on my own.

But you can go ahead and release your's if you want.

No problem, but id like to see how you do the PSA, because deoxys isn't particularly my favorite pokemon, I just like him enough to make his PSA. Im assuming hes at least one of your favorite pokemon. Id also like to hear you plans for him if he's going to be used in the project as well. 

deoxys would be able to change forms if someone rigged all forms on the same mdl0 shame we dont have a pokemon rigger  here and we dont have all deoxys forms either boygos made normal afyre made attack we still needed speed and defense

When i select a stage.

so i have been looking to the pokemons roster on your OP picture and is there a reason to have all  fire starters pokemons  in? it just seems abit overkill i would lose two of the three blaziken/infernape/emboar since they are all fire fighting and do preety much the same moves atleast typhlosion and charizard are diferent but those 3 are like 3 of the same cup.Having kyogra and groudon without rayquaza  is a crime :P and flygon said his rayquaza import was amazing so replace one of those with him? we only have 1 dragon on that picture.

then gollet,treeko and ghastly seem out of place with all the powerfull/popular pokemons

A sugestion we should try to cover all types of pokemon so far it misses on having the ice type.

I agree, and its a topic Mammoth and I have often spoke about. I myself think it would be cool to have all of the starter pokemon of all the types on the roster, with their first evolution as their guest, but we are still definitely lacking models for all of them. But I'll porobably get rid of Emboar because I really dont have much interest in PSAing him. As for Infernape and Blaze i think they are fitting to have together because they would make for a cool fight. With Emboar gone Raquaza can take his place too.

Golett is definitely not gonna be there either, Rhyperior is going to take his place when the model is ready, Gastly is gonna be switched out for Mew, and with ness now free Feraligater will go over him.

... Leaving lonely Treecko

I was considering removing him as well, purely because everyone is pretty much a heavy hitter or close to it, but then I would have to remove Jiggs, Pichu, and get rid of the idea for Cubone over Toon Link (Or change the plan and make him Marrowak, which i prefer). Then Pikachu is already Raichu, but I was also thinking about making him Pikachu again just so theres some weaker pokemon, but this way I dont have to remove any files, although i still want to edit the psa a little to balance it.
 
But I definitely do see that there is some issues and i would like to do something about it, but im not sure what. What does everyone else think?


Hmm, thats weird. For a while i was having a file size issue with his Motion but I dont think it would freeze there if that was the case. I know this is a dumb question, but have you tried it with all the costumes? Or did you change the names of anything?

jigglypuff and pichu brothers can stay i mean i dont think we should replace pokemons already in brawl isnt this project about adding pokemons over noone pokemon characters?

jiglypuff was wiglytuff for full evo and pichu brothers are 2 so that makes up for it about pikachu dont you watch the anime? pikachu can take down any fully evolved pokemon xD dont call him weak :P he doesnt even need to evolve xD same for meowth famous pokemons dont need to be fully evolved xD.

shame there isnt any cool ice pokemon on the vault an articuno,Regice or Kyurem would be epic but even in pokemon games there arent very ice types to choose from that would fit a brawl char

Also im not sure you can put mew on kirby since kirby is well odd so im not sure what you plan to do to put him there lol if your starting a totaly ported feraligator psa you should put feraligar on kirby instead of porting 2 chars.

Some sugestions for pokemons that can be fun are lugia(aafyre vertex is amazing),suicune(flygon),raikou(flygon),zekron(flygon),Reshiram(Nanobuds),Latios(iwvi),porygon z(blueumbreon) and Flygon(Spex130) i know most of them are all legendary but thats the best part of pokemon :P the problem is they are all over charizard so the roster is full of charizard ports already and the animations might start looking repetitive.

What about Beartic?

True, but just because Jiggs is in Brawl already doesnt give her any spot over Treecko imo, and i dont want to see a bunch of huge legendary taking on tiny pichu brothers (Actually it would be just single pichu) or pikachu, without there being a nice selection of first stage pokemon to them to fight too, which is why im trying to better balance the roster with evolved, pre-evolved, and legendary pokemon (Which are also my favorite Pokes).
But no, I watched the anime when i was young, but now I just play the hell out of the games, handheld in particular. Which is part of the reason I stopped watching, Ash would never evolve his damn pokemon, and Pikachu can be decent with the right EV training, and a Light Ball, but he'll never take down a dragonite :P

As for moving Mew over to Kirby, Mammoth and I plan on making a new Mew PSA over Kirby, and giving him a sort copy ability, or something along those lines, because Mew is suppose to be related to all pokemon, and can use any move, so that was my reasoning behind putting Feraligator on Ness.

But honestly I dont think any more legendarys are needed because we already have 8 on the roster, and trust me I would love to have Lugia because hes my favorite Pokemon above the rest. But eventually I would like to make a Brawl with all Legendary Pokemon to get the cool legendarys that didnt fit the roster size.


Beartic would be cool but im not sure who he'd go over yet, but im not too interested in him myself. It would be up to someone else to animate him.

Ice types?
Snouront, glalie, glaceon, cubchuo, jynx, delibird, smoochum, froslass, dewgong, cloyster, lapras, sneasel, snover, weavile.

RevenantGenesis actually pikachu took down a dragonite lol didnt you saw the only pokemon league that ash won? the orange league? ash takes down the dragonite with pikachu lol.

noone of those are actually cool except lapras and weavile  but lapras wouldnt work over no one due to the wierd body and weavile  is kinda so so.

i would love an heracross import xD that guy is would rock horning everybody, we dont have any horned pokemon yet.

My Heracross isn't the only one with a horn, cloyster is really horny (if you know what I mean) and jynx is really cool for me since she is my favorite pokemon (seriously, I beat the whole elite 4 with just her in leafgreen)

And as I'm the captain of the debate team of my school I'll say:

In your post you mentioned "noone of those are actually cool except lapras and weavile" yeah they are cool ACCORDING TO YOU.

First let me say cool mean something cold, some state of matter, some measurement of temperature, some american slang to mention something.

Ignoring that pun, according to pokemon games ice pokemon aren't so cool, most ice type moves are beauty, so both of the after mentioned pokemon will barely win any cool pokemon contest.

Officialy there is no specific "cool" pokemon so:
You cannot on saying which pokemon are cool for a psa according to your opinions without giving a valid point of view and enough background information.

Invaliding arguments, LIKE A BOSS :af:

i didnt know what word to use since im not english lol i tough cool would be the best for the situation, jynx is just a black african woman lol i dont like her at all dkn why her design  does not apeal to me  so far the ice pokemon with the best design imo is kyurem (normal one) and  cloyster might be horny but he cant work on brawl due to only moving its entire body he has no arms,legs or anything  he is a mass so for animating attacks it would be really wierd.

we need some epic pokemons like gyarados/heracross/pinsir/Steelix/Aerodactyl/Rhyperior/Agron/durant/volcarona this are the best looking noone legendary pokemons imo

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, jynx is just a black african woman lol i dont like her at all dkn why her design  does not apeal to me 

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Whoa.......where the f#ck did that come from? 0.o

quote faill lol i meant i didnt like they turn an african woman into a pokemon :srs:

....Jynx is based off of a Ganguro girl...-_-"......which is from Japan...... and Jynx is purple....or at least it has been for 13 years.....

in the beggining she wasnt they chaged her to purple after several claims

And another thing... just a thought... Deoxys would be kinda hard to make, considering his low appearances (probably would be mostly psychic moves).. but if you abandon the idea of Deoxys, put Zoroark over Lucario, then Beartic could go over Wolf... again just a thought..

deoxys is a fun pokemon if all the forms were rigged  on the same mdl0, since deoxys actually has a decent movepoll and RevenantGenesis said he had no interest in animationg or psaing beartic.

Well I was just throwing him out there in case someone wants to PSA him.
Deoxys hasn't been that hard to make for me. :/

I mean the fact that there is a slight possibility that you fail to manage to rig all 4 forms, then you could look to that alternative

Woah, I missed one hell of a conversation. lol
Still i would love to see Heracross, Rhyperior, Aggron, and Steelix. They're all epic pokemon, and Heracross sounds like a fun PSA. Plus Scizor needs someone to fight. I would also like to see Weavile and Lapras, but idk how the Lapras PSA would turn out.


I see what you mean, but i still think a Deoxys is cooler than Bearitic.

Got an idea for a guest if you are still wanting guest characters.

If mew is on kirby will u edit every kirby hat attack? If u can edit the models so mew doesnt change its texture or hat it would be cool if you can edit them into pokemon moves like game and watch rob luigi peach etc need changingre

Yah we aren't going to use it in quite the same setup but we are definitely going to use all those hat attack spots for crazy mew random attack awesomenss.

Why isnt Ditto going over kirby?
Just asking.

^ I 2nd that for it makes sense.

ditto has no moves what would he do in all the moves except the n-b?

Map every button to copy.

Or maybe every move can be a transformation of a Pokemon & then it transforms back.

he would be the most useless brawl char lol so he sucks toon link for example his only move would be arrows how could he kill anyone? that just doesnt work

you know filesize wouldnt agree with you in there lol

Then how about him being able to use most character B moves? Like Toon Link's Arrows, Ganon's Warlock Punch ect. in such a way so that he wears a kirby hat of each character so that could be the transformation?  This way I don't think the file size would be too high.

Yah ditto is just too odd to fit any animations for normal pokemon, which means we would have to make several separate animations for individual transformations which would rape the file size. Plus having just ditto wear a hat or nothing would be way lamer since he actually transforms, not just puts on some indication of who he is.

We are using mew purely for kirby's massive PSA file so we can make him what mew should be. We are prolly gunna give him metronome or something for his N-b and have like 5 or 6 different attacks depending on circumstances and junk. If mew works out as well as we are hoping, Ditto might make it into petite brawl (if we ever get around to that.)

Petite? Sorry never heard of the word.

petite is like little pokemon brawl, for the first stage pokemon only.
it is an idea me and rev have been tossing around lately, don't take it super serious for a long time coming.

someone never learned french lol

 instead of petite you guys should do legendary xD all legendary pokes.

Ah :p

i sended the groudon psa to RG(your name is too long now you will be RG to me xD) to see what feedback he brings  im guessing we could release a version with GBowser being the FS with the groudon model sized up instead of gbowser for a beta release what do you guys think?

hope i can get his v2 soon.
so you can release the new model along with the psa :af:

Hey guys, I've been busy with college work and life and such so I'm sorry I haven't been around the past few weeks. Luckily it's a short break from it all thanks to Thanksgiving, so happy belated Thanksgiving to anyone who doesn't mind it, or happy Turkey Day, or Happy Pig-the-hell-out-and-feel-nauseated-in-the-morning-due-to-over-eating Day.

^Gotta use this someday lol!

Okay so we just got the motion working today because we totally forgot that bowsers motion was located somewhere else. But Im loving what you did with his special attacks, the up b graphic can use a little work, but for the V1 it will work. The rock external graphics that you put in are also super badass, they turned out perfect. I still definitely have to fix some of the animations i did, and im gonna play with him for a while to see the balancing for fully, so i will give you better feedback when i do. I also dont really understand how the NB works, the first time i use it a big fire blast comes out, then when i use it again, or hold it, little fire blasts come out in succession.


Its good to hear from you Zed. Cant wait till you come back lol.


Also, did you ever get Gengar working Gawain?

If you do have the up-sized Groudon on G. Bowser, he should have the Virus Groudon texture. I just think it would look awesome and work well with the other recolors.

n-b is just bowser n-b but i messed around with the  floating points making it go foward and losing the charge after one fire you need to wait to recharge it without using like you do with bowser n-b or charizard n-b  the upB graphic  is the only graphic  we have for beam attacks in brawl if you have a better beam attack let me know

i use groudon motion like any char motion lol guess you use rivo? gecko doesnt need motion on the comon pacs xD and anivernage groudon looks preety good with the animations also.

Yeah I forgot to say, I finished rhyperior yesterday, but I didn't have internet until now. Here's an old preview, the rig is finished right now, but I can't get a picture in this moment. It comes with a custom hammer for the ddd users.

Yeah i use Riivolution, it feels like it runs better and we can set our own file path codes. But no thats the only beam that ive seen too, but maybe someone will love the PSA so much they will give him a custom one or something lol. But ill keep my eye out for one.



I like that idea, but the annivernage one looks good too. I'll be cool with either.



Dude he looks amazing, I wonder how that hammer looks. Thats probably my favorite import for DDD so far lol. He's gonna be another high priority PSA.

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I cant contain my excitement :kdance:

Rev, you still have the moveset I gave you for Rhyperior? Also, his recolors are already done, don't know if I told you already cause it's been so long. XD

That rhyperior looks awesome Flygon, Hopefully I can find a DDD. pac that doesnt crash smash attacks.

so RevenantGenesis will you do the animations i asked so groudon doesnt use the  shell? escapes dodjes special fall double jump and run?

its about time you guys start using bb like i do now xD its so much easier(you cant copy past certain things or corrupts so its good to always have a backup) but i already know my way around the corrupts and SSS freezes xD

Yeah I do, and sweet, do the recolors have CSPs? Also if you get the chance you should send me over the Gallade recolors you did forever ago so I can work on his new version xD.


Yeah they'll be no problem, i've already started.

And its such a hug leap to not be able to use smash attacks though lol.

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Also for Rhyperior's rock blast were planning on randomly having a geodude shoot from his hand instead of a rock. Only sometimes though.

bb psa editor is smash attacks but much more easy imo i used to use smash attaks before

From what ive seen its easier, but i dont know how to do everything thats done in PSA when im using BB.

why not? same commands  and almost 99% have the same name

Im not sure what it was, but back when the new BB was released I was trying to do something and couldnt, but I cant remember what it was.

I tried using BB a while back when I started working on electivire. Everything is super awesome and simple. The thing that made me sketch about using it was it caused alot of random freezes that I couldnt figure out. For example I was trying something simple, I wanted to move a GFX on one of his attacks. When I saved and booted it up not only was the graphic unaffected by the change, but a completely unrelated attack froze for no apparent reason. After putting the previous version back on the SD it was one of DKs already perfect attacks that I had never touched. If you use it without fault though then maybe it was something I screwed up.

Who knows, Maybe on another project Ill try it out, but I'm still super sketch.

just dont ever copy set aerial/onstage,set air/ground,disalow movement these codes corrupt the pack if copied from another moveset and if freezes on sss just add a new subroutine and save again

Okay that actually kind of makes sense, Now what Im about to ask is noob to the max but why is it I can't view and alter sub routines in bb's moveset editor? do I have to open the .pac directly through BB or is there a way to view it in the editor that I just overlooked?

yes open directly and you see everything 

Sweet, well I may give it another go. I know working with hitboxes in BB is a thousand times nicer.
Thanks for all the insight btw Hopefully I can use it more confidently now.

i do code with the open pack directly then go to the viewer to adjust hitboxes

Hey guys, sorry to break the technical talk, but what do you think of Flygon Making the roster? Im trying to get a pokemon for everyone on the team. (Carnage, if I could get a Heracross Model i would do it for you in a heartbeat, same goes for you Gawain with Haxorus) Plus his model looks great, and i think his animations would look cool because I imagine him flying for his wait 1 like the new Ridley.

flygon had an heracross model if i remenber correctly  did you liked my ridley? xD

Did he? If its good Im down to add him to the roster. I saw the video but I haven't downloaded it yet myself, the only SD card I have is for pokebrawl. But it looked pretty cool.

I'm gonna need a few more SD Cards :/

Done! The hammer can be removed for the psa, once I release this I'll move into beedrill, and then I'll start feraligatr on bowser. You sure you don't want me to rig him on metaknight? Beacuse beedrill over pit over metaknight may be difficult.
http://imgur.com/oHrgf,ikBiE,sDfoL,9Dcau,OXfdl,gZan3 (http://imgur.com/oHrgf,ikBiE,sDfoL,9Dcau,OXfdl,gZan3)