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So now that I've made a few PSA Hacks, I might as well make a thread to show them all... My PSAs are pretty much not based on any fictional character of the sort... But rather, ideas that come from my own head... So without further ado, here's what I made so far... If you see any actual characters, then they're most likely requests.

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*follows thread*

So I updated the OP with a preview video... people who know me long enough should know where I got got my inspiration from...

Just saw the video. Everything looks nice, but the walking animation looks choppy.

Walking animations are not the best animations for me to make.. lol... I should probably go back to fix/change it...

rom what i saw on the previews the moves look nice except one thing the gun moves

shouldnt they have a gfx to know where the bullets go? and the sound looks anoying i didnt like the sound since it lasted way more than the gunshoots itself other than that they look preety good

Well I couldn't find any other SFX in the game that could pass as a realistic Gunshot Sound... I also have the idea of making an External GFX, just didn't go around to make it...

As for progress, I've managed to make new animations, but the FitSZeroSuit.pac file got too big, and it crashes my game... I really liked that dash attack too... Oh well... I guess I'll do that another time. I'm still stumped on ideas for a Side Special... As well as an official name...

Is transforming into Power Suit Samus still possible with this PSA?

I don't want that happening... much like my Scarlet Fighter Zelda PSA not being able to turn into Sheik.

Also, I could use a character hack. I will have custom animations for her guns anyway...

Just to add some new content, here's a BrawlBox preview of the animated Dash attack that I seem to like...

you should really find a  gunshot gfx since not being able to see the shoots its kinda wierd even n all Shooter games you can see the bullets

I've mentioned that I'll be making an external GFX.

This is interesting... I assume you're going to be making it more of a combo-based PSA? I had an idea like this too, at one time, but mine wasn't on ZSS. It has no progress because I can't get the model to work. :P
You can get around ZSS's filesize limit by removing things from Samus, although that would make Samus unusable. Whether you do that or start over with a different character, I'm interested in seeing how this moveset works out.

Thanks for the info! I don't plan on making this PSA Combo based. In fact, ideas come to me as I work on it. Making a distancing character also sounds like a cheap way to to play also. I plan on making attacks where the bullets don't go very far acting like normal ranged attacks.

I might end up making Samus turn to ZSS at the start of the match.

I just remembered that the FitSamus.pac file is weird... I guess I am gonna have to make Samus totally unusable to make this work... Oh well...

wierd? samus and zss have a tiny filesize i think they together only have 7 kbts of space  that isnt wierd its how their filesize works.

I'm not talking about the filesize. If you open up Samus' FitSamus.pac file, There are a bunch of Blank spaces, and the Specials are empty...

if you open it and save it in bb samus will lose all her specials almost but samus isnt the only one lots of characters have blanked special bars like bowser and wario thats hardcodd stuff that bb takes away thats the reason bowser,wario never got psas due to empty tabs that ignore the codes if you use psa  those actions are empty becuase the game loads one of the other ones  look below and you will find actions leading to the specials subactions if you use psa leavue them empty

I'd rather not use BrawlBox to edit FitCharacter.pacs cause've I've encountered problems with it before...

I don't really know a lot in PSA, but I think you can use the fire effects who follows the bullets in a trail.
Just a thing I suggest

I made an External GFX Already... no need... lol...

I agree with Canadian. Brawlbox seems to work fine for some people, but it messes up my own edits too often for me to feel comfortable using it until BlackJax (or are we supposed to call him "Xaj" now? :P) finishes working out the bugs.

I'll be glad to say that If I make a few more moves, I'll make another preview video about what's been added. Not all the moves are added yet, but I think I have enough to make the 1st progress video. I should also update the OP with the checklist.

glad to see someone is giving zss some love,  she's one of my mains in unhacked brawl but I've never had any ideas for her and don't really care to fight the filesize issue (good luck with that btw)

I fixed the Filesize issue... I simply needed to Degrade Samus' abilities by removing things from her FitSamus.pac file.

Also, I want somebody to make a character hack for this... I don't want to keep using her normal colors, especially for the preview video... Her guns will get custom animations anyway...

model or texture?  I'm not the best artist but I might be able to do up a texture if it's not too complicated   but I can't even begin to do model stuff

Well, I would like both actually... lol

what do you want for a texture?  I can see what I can do but I can't promise anything incredible :P

Well, Imma want a model hack too so...

Also, honestly, I can't think of anything from the top of my head... I was hoping for the creator to "surprise me" but oh well. As long as it fits. Remember, she shoots guns, and does acrobatic flips.

why not try making lianne if thats her name over zelda or peach it would be epic but I should let you,finish this

I want it to be good quality work, which is why I'm asking someone else... And if it was to be Leanne, Imma have to add Grenades to the moveset, and that would be pretty broken in my opinion...

ok i understand :)

Alright guys! I just need to make the Up Special work, after that, I'll make a preview video!

pssst im still working...

I just changed the preview video. If you can't see it, it's most likely still uploading.

What are your thoughts on the moveset so far?

looks good but why are there weird sfx noises when you attack?

Supposed to be Gunshot sounds... Can't find any other sounds that sounds like one that comes from a Machine gun/Handgun... lol

oh sorry.. lol

You could make Grenades a sort of charge move, using a hidden counter that goes up as she deals and takes damage, and goes over the Neutral Special when it's fully charged. Then you can have grenades on the moveset (and have them be closer to realistic in power and blast radius) without them being overpowered. Of course, they wouldn't be all that close to realistic because this is Smash Bros., but 20-25% damage would probably be acceptable.

sounds good actually ^

But my idea for this PSA is the use of 2 Guns. 1 for dealing Major Damage, and 1 for the big Finisher. Adding Grenades I think is using both of these ideas in a thrown weapon...

yeah your right I think you should call this PSA Extreme ZSS strike psa lol

Okay, I'm working on the grabs right now, and something weird is happening...

I removed ZSS' whip. And I try to give her a normal grab. But what ends up happening is that if she catches someone, she finishes the animation, then assumes she's grabbing someone... You can't do anything while she's doing the grabbing animation until she assumes that you are...

Any way to fix this?

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Post Merge: December 25, 2012, 07:59:52 PM

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I'm just curious as to how many people would want to try this PSA in development... I could post a DropBox Link and update it as progress is made...

^that might help..

For the SFX there are other ones that could be good even though they're quieter.. 0007 (snd_se_system_ScrollBar) 0024 (snd_se_system_Switch) 005F (Down Ground Hit 2) 009B (Landing Ice) 00C6 (Bomb Damage S) Yeah, I guess those are enough :P Hopefully one of them will sound better!
(I haven't played brawl in ages and simply lurk/make random models but I could try it if you need testers)

Well I plan on making 2 different SFX for the 2 different types of Guns. I'll use SFX AC (the one I'm currently using) for the Handgun, and I'll use one of your suggested ones for the machine gun. I can understand how that gun could be so noisy as more bullets are shot with that gun... lol...

I just tried those SFX, and none of them seem to work for me... and by not work I mean they don't seem to fit...

I'm finishing this PSA rather quickly... It's filesize has just about reached the Known Maximum... I still need a Down Smash, Up Air, and a Final Smash, and the move set is pretty much done save for Taunts.

I thought you had a idea for the final smash? And maybe a duck shoot so if someones ducking then you can charge the gun and shoot them helpful in team matches

I have an idea for the Final Smash. I just haven't made it yet. I like working on the normal moveset 1st, then save the Final Smash and Taunts for later. Also, I would like the Smashes to be Acrobatic.

ok maybe a spinning kick that goes pretty fast and it goes around her so it can hit people on the left or right or maybe a flip and shoot (actually save that idea for Leanne) so you could do a combo like this: kick to the way she's facing (facing left then left kick) then a down kick and upper punch.

And where do I see her guns in use for this. If the gun aren't used, It'll break the whole idea of the 2 kinds of guns she uses...

nope no ideas with guns sorry...

Would looking at this help?

thats just pure epicness.. jk maybe you could do this down b could be that you do a flip and shoot depending and the direction depends on which way you face when the flip activates.

Hm... Actually, idk what to do for a Down Smash... lol Not really sure I understand what you just pointed out... lol...

maybe if you do what you said to do (like put it on dropbox) since I know now how to PSA I'll try and make the animations and if there good enough I'll send to you through here and upload it media fire so we have no mix up. and a question: how do you edit hitboxes?

Modifying their offensive collisions, and their timers that go with them. It's all common sense really.

^thanks.

I just saw the progress video, and I can't believe there's not more hype for this...
I'd be interested in playing with it once you're done/ready for testers!

Also: I agree with alses in that the SFX for the machine gun seems a little strange. I think another SFX would be better, but it's nothing major in a PSA this interesting.

There's not much hype cause it's not an actual character... lol... Most, if not, all my hacks are about Originality and/or creativity.

Also, I feel lazy trying to find a seperate SFX for a Machine Gun...

lol it's gonna burst my ears!

Demo is now ready! Please leave Feedback. I'll update the OP with another preview video soon.

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Post Merge: December 31, 2012, 07:52:47 PM

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Updated the OP with the new video. You can see it as soon as it finishes Uploading.

Downloaded. I'll leave feedback after I try it out tomorrow.

I have some feedback for you, if you want it.

I think most of the moveset is pretty good, and the SFX aren't as annoying in practice as they are in theory. I'd be fine with leaving them as they are.
I do think that a few of the moves are unbalanced, however. Like the side B move; even though the random chance between elements (at least I assume it was random) made it a little more interesting, elemental attributes are one of the more overused ideas in PSA and feel like unnecessary add-ons unless they have a good reason for being there. Given that she's using guns, they just didn't seem to fit.
Secondly, even though the machine gun is supposed to be used to rack up damage while the pistol has greater knockbacl, I think they need a little more balance in a few places. Down smash in particular; it just doesn't make sense for a fully-charged smash attack to do 7% damage and still have such a small amount of knockback, but that's what happens on the pistol. Given that I haven't opened the PSA up and looked at the code yet, there may be extra hitboxes that I keep missing with, but if there are I haven't noticed them in play.
Lastly, I like the range on the B and side B attacks, and the AAA combo, but on other parts of the moveset (side tilt, aerials, etc) the range is so short that you have to touch the opponent with her gun in order to do any damage. I feel like she's too light and fragile to be used as an up-close fighter, and that the attacks don't do enough damage to justify that imbalance. I know that you said earlier that ranged fighting seems like a cheap tactic to you, but she's got ZSS's weight and agility with only a third of her range- I think giving her an even longer range than ZSS wouldn't be cheap, because stronger characters can take the attacks or shield them easily enough and faster characters will be able to approach at a decent rate anyway. ZSS seems like a weak character to me, so making her weaker by pulling off her range just doesn't feel right.

Overall, I like it. It's different from most of the movesets on the Vault, and we're in serious need of PSAs for Samus and ZSS that aren't overpowered. Even so, I think this moveset might be in need of a little buffing, mostly concerning the range as that's the primary point of the PSA- the two guns she uses.


...And that's my two cents! (phew!) :)
I hope it all made sense. I'm not used to writing feedback.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll take some of these into consideration. Yes the Side B is Random Chance... lol. I also had a hard time thinking for the side special, then I remembered that Resonance of Fate had elemental bullets so... eventually that idea came up. Also, most of the hitboxes for the tilts and sorts is just 1 offensive collisions so I can understand how you would have a hard time hitting with them. As far as stats go. I didn't really change her stats too much because I didn't know how the attacks would correspond to it. All I did was made her jump lower and slightly heavier. It's a good thing I'm asking other people to try it... lol

Glad with the positive feedback so far!

Also went ahead and updated the Shinda PSA. Makes fixes on one of her Side Smashes and tones down the Down Smash.

I'm thinking of changing the Side Special Idea. A few more ideas have come up.

One of them being some sort of Non-Damaging Dash. But if you're holding a button, you can either attack from behind, interrupt it with a jump, and maybe a few other things.

The demo moveset was a lot of fun to play as, but I found myself having trouble to K.O. Peach even at 250+%.

The SFX is fine, at least for me. Yeah walking animations..and mostly stuff Azure_Shadow said, the only reason I won't keep this PSA is because it requires the samus.pac

Surprised that nobody seems to be annoyed by it... lol

I might change the Side Special. Idk...

Oh, and could you consider a new down special? I honestly don't know what it does and I keep trying to use it in battle..on ground and in air.

Actually, the Down Special is the key to the moveset. It changes her guns. That's probably why you're having a hard time KOing people. Machine gun is used to rack Damage, while the Handgun is used to KO your Opponents. You always start a match with the machine Gun... lol

Only works on the Ground though...

lol I see now, thanks. in future versions, will the samus.pac no longer be needed? cause i already have a psa over samus..

If I can lower the filesize, maybe...

I'll release a second demo to see if any of the issues mentioned before have been fixed. I pretty much did some Stat changes, Hitbox fixes, and I'm working on an entirely new Side Special. No Elemental Bullets... lol

I'll play it and see what I think.

I updated the Demo Link with the 2nd Demo. Still unsure of the stats though... Again, feedback would help.

Also good news... No FitSamus.pac file this time!

Changes since last Demo:
As a side note... I'm still in need of a Character Hack... with Model Edits...

^ you talking about Leanne?

No, I'm not talking about Leanne... That's an entirely different Project.

I want somebody to create a character hack over Zero Suit Samus to go with this PSA. I've contacted this person (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6220), and this person (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11290) about this, but neither of them has yet to tell me word about progress.

thats sad, maybe there not online right now?

I heard Mikuru doesn't have a working Computer at the moment and is Online via 3DS, idk about the other guy...

oh I know I'v been online DS before and its a pain!! Anyway Im going to test ZSS out now. After a while I will give you feedback.

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Post Merge: January 11, 2013, 01:22:42 PM

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Ok im back, and basically I got an error when using the PSA.. What the problem is, is that I don't have ZSS on my CSS and so that means I have to transform via FS on samus. But instead of working the specials went into T stance (except for Up B which failed as it didn't even help in recovering)  and the rest were fine. I thought is was because I was again at hack I never used before, but then I tried it again normal sonic on Vbrawl (was on Vbrawl just with PSA) but got the same result.

Holding the Grab Button while selecting Samus will turn you into ZSS when you start the match.

Trying out the second demo when I get home, currently unable to as I'm in class right now  ;D

Oh sorry lol but is supposed to freeze if you don't start as ZSS?

I never intended to have Samus to turn into ZSS anyway. So... yeah...

Uh..the file was moved or deleted, or are you applying fixes?

Fixed

Your PSA is not fixed completely, she freezes on most of my stages,
Except for stages that I made on my stage builder in brawl.

But every other stage I try to play her on, just freezes, can you fix that?

I tried it earlier. She works fine for me... Do you have any Samus PSAs?

Gunslinger PSA... *Follows thread* :happy:

Your animations are great! Hope to see more from you in the future. :D

Great? I'm still not that good... lol. Oh well, at least it's better than this (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=24845)...

Oh come on that PSA was so not horrible.......

i didnt see anything that bad either.

The animations on that one was terrible...

How were they bad? I don't see anything bad about that PSA either...

They simply look retarded...

^ ............ tell me which moves?

i also didnt saw any retarded animations at all lol either you linked the wrong hack or you have a godly animation standard i have seen much worse psa animation than that by far

... :srs:

You mean to tell me they don't look retarded to you?

Gunslinger PSA! It's like seeing a new Gunner Yuna come to life :D

Never played the Gunner Yuna PSA. What's so similar other than the guns?

nope and like most ppl told you abode they are decent there are much worse animations out there i didnt see anything that bad to say the animations are retarded

Well there was a reason why I didn't add it to the OP... lol. If that's the case, I might as well put it up there now... lol

No I'm not comparing it to the other Gunner Yuna psa, it's more that I'm saying this is how it should have been :D
I really like how fluent the attacks go from one to another. 

So nobody has anything bad to say about the PSA so far? After playtesting it for a while, All I can say to myself is tone down the Side Special. It seems abusable due to the invulnerability frames starting RIGHT at the start of the move. I'm also still unsure of the stats, so any feedback on that would help as well. I'll start working on the Final Smash soon. And that will have it's own video.

I love Final Smashes XD Can't wait to see it!

I have something bad to say about this PSA and it's only 1 problem
With it. The PSA freezes on almost all my stages except for the stages made
From stage builder on brawl.

can you please fix that problem, I have a PSA on Samus and I don't wanna get rid
of it and I wanna be able to have the ZSS PSA without getting rid of the PSA on samus.

Also on my character select screen, I have samus and ZSS as separate characters and
I would like to have both PSAs without getting rid of the other one.

so try to fix this problem.

To do that would be to lower the filesize. And that's as low as I can go right now. I doubt I can go any lower.

if you have a samus psa then its probably filesize issues wich cant be fixed persay.

So I updated the OP... thanks for the thoughts guys... lol.

As a side note, expect a Cinematic - esque Final Smash for our Gunslinger.

Its not darn working I tried everything I even used a CSS that had ZSS. I have no PSA over samus and I am NTSC. Is it riivolution? Because that's what I use all the time. First I thought it might be my smashbros.brsar but it's not that. I even did what narutofan did by going on a stage builder stage but still not working. The specials just make her go into a T stance.

that is becuase you are not putting the montion on the common.pac most likely

Yes it is. You place the FitSZerosuitMotionEtc.pac in a common.pac

Only "bad" thing I have to say about it is that one some of her moves she has no range at all, you have to actually hit your opponent physically for hitboxes to connect. Besides that, no complaints.

Did that to make sure it's not broken... lol. Though I may add a bit of range to it.

Yes a bit of range would be good, if only to make the play get more smooth, since, well, she uses her gunns and you'd expect them to have a little range :P
She is pretty lightweight, so I don't really see a bit of range for her a problem.
If it is, you could scale the damage to make up for the range, though that wouldn't need to be much.
How's the final smash looking? I am so looking forward to see it :D

Actually... I'm too busy trying to make her grabs work properly... So much hassle...

What'd be better would be to have someone else fix it for me for I don't understand what I'm doing... lol

no freezing problems here, and I can use both samus and zssamus in battle, bravo on the improved demo even though I thought the moveset was fine before lol.

Oh thanks lol I didn't know

Here's your next preview for you guys! The Final Smash! BrawlBox preview... lol

Looks good!

I have been checking Brawl Vault like 40 times today to see if there was more news about this XD
I dunno why I'm so hyped about it, but I am :D

I love this PSA. The only this is the SFX for the gun. its odd imo

Lol at the hype...

I'm slowly making progress... Final Smash will be done by the Weekend... at least I hope...

how do you put the fitmotion in the common5.pac?

Not Common5, just Common. That file is where you replace the FitMotionEtc.pac file.

Still in need of a Character Hack... I'm not releasing the final thing until I get a Character Hack...

I'd recommend switching the gunshot sound for the machine gun to something that's not so long. Check out Hollow's "Neo" PSA. The neutral B is a machine gun that has a decent firing sound.

I wanted to do that originally, but I couldn't find a suitable SFX. Btw, is it a custom SFX?

I'm pretty sure not. After all, I haven't done any editing to the Smashbros_sound or whatever on my end, and there wasn't one in the download.

Looking at the PSA file, the SFX seems to be ID 50 which is Fighter Common 39. That's an Explosion sound...

Go on, try it! It actually sounds pretty darn decent in-game. BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR is what it sounds like, basically.

Tried it, didn't like it. The thing is he set it to loop for every 1 frame. I have mine set to loop every 2 - 4 Frames. So it does not have the same effect.

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Post Merge: January 18, 2013, 06:30:50 PM

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The Final Smash is a Mess!

Sorta off-topic question: Brawlbox. Zelda, Sheik, and Zero Suit Samus's FitMotions. Where do I put them and how do I do it? (I'm using Riivolution, because for some reason the File Replacement Code glitches partway into some of the songs I have on Battlefield and Final Destination.) I just want to try out Scarlet Fighter Zelda and Gunslinger Samus, plus I sorta wanted to use SDoom's Spider-Man.

Common.pac I think it was...

>.>

This PSA sounds great!

Omg omg omg! The hyype, the hyyype!
This looks soooo good!
I really can't wait to try this.
Btw, does this only attack one opponent, or can you catch more than one with the FS?

You can hit more than one, but I can't guarantee you can KO all 3...

Well that just makes it more interesting I think.
You said you thought you would have it done around the end of the weekend?
*bounce, bounce* O..O

Also I notice that she uses two guns, but she only wields one, will there be a special model for that? Are you making anyone in particular?

For the sake of making the filesize smaller, yet more easy to edit. I'll work on the 2nd Gun Last.

So the 2nd gun will be in the PSA itself and not on a specific model?
Was just thinking that having it model imported would save filesize, but having it as part of the PSA itself would be nice as you could choose what models you wanted to use the PSA with.

I would do that, but 1st of all, I would need a Character Hack. 2nd of all, I still have no idea how to use the Object Importer... I've tried and failed.

her gun doesnt make the psa heavy at all since its on the pcs lol

But the thing is, if I make 1 PSA edit on BrawlBox, I can't edit it with Smash Attacks... that's why I'm saving it for last.

Also, I would need that character hack if I were to put it on the Character Model... If only if I could figure out how that object importer works...

Also, Another reason why I'm putting it in the PSA file is because I'll have 2 separate animations to make the guns change shape when you switch from Machine Guns to Hand Guns.

Regarding the Final Smash: I don't think the spin at the start should hit as many times as it does, since she can't possibly be firing at the target continuously the whole time and it LOOKS like it starts with a backflip kick, but there's no appropriately placed hitbox there. Also, I think there should be a bit of a pause between the backflip kick and the gunfire from the spin. Thirdly, she shouldn't be holding her gun still while throwing the grenade she uses for the KO, and if you have a custom article or something available you should perhaps make the grenade be a more distinctive, futuristic-looking colour or shape. Fourthly, the part where she shoots at the opponent while upside-down needs a different camera angle in order to not look ridiculous. Lastly, with a Final Smash that disorienting to use, I don't think it should put her in SpecialFall when it ends.

That move is seriously pretty cool, though.

To respond to your complaints(?)...

1). I can see what you mean... though I plan on doing a GFX so it looks like she's shooting at 360 degrees...

2). Isn't there already a sort of pause between the 2? There's a Time Manipulation event during the camera shot so opponents would slow down. It actually slows down to the point where the opponents can barely do anything.

3). If you look closely, she's actually throwing a grenade. (That explains the explosion... lol)

4). I changed the camera a bit so when the Cinematic section ends, she points at the screen. As you see it now, she looks at an angle.

5). I figured that since the Final Smash pretty much deals 160% and 1 Hit KOs (Even with the final blast at 0%), I might as well try to balance it... lol.

The Final Smash is still a work in progress so any thoughts on it are welcome!

1./5. Here's actually an easy point for you to nerf the overall damage, by having her only hit the primary target when she could logically be pointing one of her machine guns at them. (Basically, just line the hitboxes up with her properly. One in front of her and possibly one behind, if you change the way she holds her guns during the flip so she fires both in front and behind.)
2. What I meant is that the FS needs an initiating hit, possibly turn the backflip before the spin into a flipping kick, then have her pause before the leaping spin. Basically, backflip kick > pause for the opponent to be launched a short distance into the correct position > continue attack.
3. I noticed the grenade, eventually. It's a little hard to see, but it's easier to identify with the sound on. That's why I suggested that it should be a different colour or shape, to make it more distinctive. Also, why does the grenade blast hit her, too?

P.S. Not complaints. Constructive criticism. =D

P.P.S. For the machine gun, have you tried the sound effect used when attempting to fire an empty Super Scope? I'm just trying to think of things that don't get so annoying as that one does after a while.

P.P.P.S. One of her attacks' voice clip (I think it's Up Special?) activates too late into the attack, so you don't actually hear the full quote. She's supposed to say "You're mine!" but it just sounds like "mmm" because it cuts off early.

1). and 5). I guess I can change the animation. Doing that wouldn't hurt. Also, I counted the overall damage done on each section. 1st flip does about 25%, 2nd and 3rd sections deal about 55%, and the grenade deals 25% as well. If I were to change the initial hit entirely, she would potentially still get a maximum hit of about 115%.

2). The initiating hit was that 1st back flip. It cancels if the attack misses. Also, the use of physical attacks aren't really used in the PSA so far... okay the dash attack but oh well.

3). I actually took the grenade from Snake. I could change the texture of it, or place a GFX around the grenade for it to be more easy to identify.

P.S. Then I should nominate you for the Constructive Award! :af:

P.P.S. Thanks for the suggestion. I haven't really tried the use of the item SFX so far... lol. Though I'm specifically looking for a SFX that starts strong with a BANG, then fades away. Much like an actual gunshot shot sound. Listening to the item SFXs now, there are a few potential ones I could try...

P.P.S. If only if her voice clips were louder...

You could make her use the sticky grenade thing at the start of the FS and then once she is done shooting it explodes, though, i really like the angle work when she throws it

uggg that PPS! anyway I don't know why but replacing the fitmotion in the common_en.pac isn't working...

Ehm.. ZSS's Gun is a seperate model on her PCS and uses various different animations meaning instead of putting it in the actual .PAC and giving us the BRESS for the model/animation/textures would save space, time and make it easier in PSA without having the issue of being unable to use PSA on the PAC after using BB because you wouldn't need to edit anything in BB anymore and would keep it editable in smash attacks forever <3

Just got back from vacation; wish I'd been able to play it and give feedback earlier.
This looks great, and that final smash is awesome. I'm going to try it out in-game and leave some feedback here later.
I don't know if you've changed the side B move or not, but I liked the idea you had about a dash. I think it would fit nicely.

And I think what Alses just said was that making a model edit would be easier for everyone concerned and wouldn't lead to issues with PSA being unable to open the moveset file.

Don't worry about that. I still have a version where it's still editable in PSA. When I made the demo, I used Save As, then saved that other PAC file in BrawlBox to lower the filesize. I'm still using the FitSamus.pac as we speak...

Well, I can say this PSA is almost done. Just need taunts. Though I'm not sure how to go about it yet. Having that Character Hack done would help so it gives me an idea of personality.

Also, could I get somebody else to fix the grabs for me when it's done?

If I knew how, I would love to. But I think Jrush is good at fixing grabs.

I'll contact him when it's done... unless somebody else takes the offer...

I still need a Character Hack. I contacted Mikuru (or Aphrodite) but no word of progress. Though she just got her computer back so, I'll give it time...

I recently downloaded Scarlet Fighter Zelda, and I have some feedback to give if you don't mind.

Having it as my 2nd PSA, I guess fixing up sloppy animations wouldn't hurt. I don't really understand what you mean about the side special though... lol. That victory animation, I might change it entirely... lol. Side Taunt I'll leave as is (cause I think that's just fine as is.) The jab is also meant to be weak so... lol.

For the side special, I think I said what I meant. Partway through the jump-and-heelkick animation, the polygons of her dress sometimes stretch everywhere. This doesn't always happen, and whether or not it does, as well as exactly what frame it happens on, seems to depend on what frame the hit occurs on in the initial forward dash of the move.

Having a deliberately weak move that's designed so you'll never use it is ridiculous. Plus, I wasn't complaining about the actual power of the attack, but the apparent "power" of the animation and the fact that there's no combo. I would be perfectly fine if the damage was nerfed from 3% per hit to 2% per hit as long as there's an actual combo. Besides, having a weak jab is pointless when the side tilt is faster anyway and does 11%.

Thanks for the talk. Now if you will excuse me, I'll tell the mods to give you an award... lol.

Um... Actually, I'd like to apologise for that second paragraph. Looking at it now, it comes across like I'm just flaming you. But yes, a combo would be appreciated, failing that the animation needs more "oomph" to it. Actually, the animation needs more "oomph" to it either way, really. And the side tilt maybe needs a very small damage nerf. Other than all of the above issues (Which actually aren't as many as they seem; for some reason, the fewer things that are wrong, the more specific I get.), that PSA is pretty darn awesome.

Oh man... I have a new Idea for my next PSA... I'm tempted to work on it due to the fact that I won't be getting a Gunslinger Samus Character hack for a while... All I'll say for now is that it's over Marth.

Happy 1000 posts Bloody Candian. :D

Unrelated... BACK ON TOPIC

Mikuru (or Aphrodite) is working on the character hack. That's good to hear...

who is the character?

I might as well tell you guys what my next project is after Gunslinger Samus...

It's over Marth, and it'll be a combo based PSA where the only attacks with knockback growth are the smashes. He'll also will use up to 4 Swords, and I've come up with a Cinematic Final Smash for him already. I've imported 3 Swords for him to use (Ganondorf, Ike, and Beam Sword) as an external GFX.

Oh and I've got feedback for the ZSS demo 2:
Well I really loved the gun shooting after the UP B since it helps.  The GFX is kinda  weird how its a line  and sometimes I think that the range of the attack is kinda low. I loved the Side B speed boosting but I think the running animation is kinda weird. I'm not really sure how the Down B works, (I know it changes gun but...) since when it changes I don't see (much) diffrence with the other gun. When are done with the final one I will same some Feedback for that. And one more thing.. YOUR ANIMATIONS ARE EPIC! Lol seriously other than the run which was a bit fast (in animation I mean) the rest of the animations were really good. If I had to rate it out of 10 it would be 8 / 10.

feedback for the zss gunslinger demo:the bullets dont reach far so its hard to fight and there not strong enough so i have to rely on items to beat people i also cant see the bullets so its a little wierd but other than that the psa is great i love the moves and it feels natural fighting with it

Have you considered what the down special does? It changes guns. You start a match with the Machine Gun used to deal Damage. When their damage is high enough, switch to pistols to finish them off.

I hope you used the PSA knowing this... lol

How is progress with the gunslinger psa? Nearing completion or have you run into any issues or problems? 

 :srs: i need to be smacked... lol

Not really. It is almost done. Just need to do a few fixes to the Final Smash, as well as add taunts. Though I can't really do the taunts without a character hack to go with it 1st... I hope Mikuru is making progress...

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So instead of working on Gunslinger Samus, I've been working on this...

You should warn someone before you do that. :srs:

As long as we're giving feedback, I still think the Gunslinger Samus PSA could use more range. But it's good enough as-is that it deserves a release as a character hack anyway.

As for your character with four swords, is that going to work in the same way as this one, where you push down-B to switch between them? Or does he actually use four swords at once?

He'll use 1-2 swords by default. But pressing the Down Special will add more swords to his attacks that can add damage and/or be used as combo extenders. A sword will disappear if it is used in an attack. But the swords will disappear if using a Smash. The smart thing to do would be to use the Smash as a combo finisher.

Interesting idea. But he can use them more than once, correct? I mean, pushing down special will give him the swords even if he's already used them in the match before?

Of course you can call them back by using the Down Special again.

So I just recently came up with more ideas for Gunslinger Samus, and I think it'll make a great addition to her current moveset. And you know what that means! (Or not...)

Expect a 3rd Demo coming soon. I won't reveal the changes just yet.

As far as another Preview video goes, I don't want to make the next one until I get the character hack from Mikuru. Maybe I should pester her if I don't see progress for another week...

Ooh very exiting :D
Yes you should pester X3 we are all waiting and biting our nails expecting this epic thing!
I think a lot of people are waiting to have a new character over zero suit samus.
Really looking forward to your new demo, but even more so for your actual release.
you won't be doing any beta release besides the one you have done? Like a beta with your FS for example?

I might do something with the Final Smash... lol

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Another Brawlbox preview showing off an additional option to your Aerial Side Special.

You should pester Mikuru if there's been no progress. We await your PSA with great anticipation...

I'll give it another week before I'll pester her again.

Can't wait for 3rd demo the animations on 2nd were the best!

Progress for the next demo is doing good. I should probably go into more detail as to what will be changed.

Will it include the Final smash?

I'll do something about it...

About the final smash.
Do you have to be up in your opponents face before you activate it to hit it or will she run up to the closes one like link, or marth does, or something like that?
What bothers me with most FS that you have to be superclose in order to hit with is the fact that the AI will never land a hit with it

I'm not exactly  sure how close, but it's not like Link or Marth's FS.

Hopefully not too close because then you might get hit trying to activate it.

There's intangibility frames to prevent that from happening. As a Final Smash should.

Do you still need someone to PSA the grabs for you?

Yeah I'm curious

Somebody told me of a person who could. I'll contact him unless somebody else takes the offer before this thing is done.

Just to add some new content, I'm changing Scarlet Fighter Zelda's Win2 Animation...

Just checking in at the most exiting PSA project atm :)
Are you still missing the model you needed for your gunner? Also, what was it you needed to change with the FS?
And while I am at it, will there be a new demo soon, or even better, a new playable version :D

Almost done. I'm re-doing the Up Air, and I haven't really touched on the Final Smash since I 1st announced the 3rd Demo. Everything else I wanted in the demo is done.

Oh, is the third demo up already? I thought you were still coding it.

It's not yet done... I've been working on another thing not PSA related... lol

So, here's the next demo! I would not include the FitSamus.pac in there, but BrawlBox refuses to save the changes...

Also, Final Smash assumes you're facing Right.

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New Features since last Demo

Excellent! I'll go try it out.

Wow her pac has gotten huge v..v I can't use her with samus anymore, this saddens me. Don't really want to trade in one char for another.
I hope you get BB to save it.
I had no trouble using the FS from either side, it had the same result for me. I managed to catch up to two opponents in the FS, but not the third one. That is good enough for me, I mean, how often do you really have the chance to catch 3 opponents in your FS? Not often X3
Although I absolutely love her moves, animations and her FS, I will wait til she is compatible with my samus again before I use her. I didn't get why there was a samus.pac there at first, so I froze my wii like twice before figuring out she had too large pac <..<

I do hope I can fix the problem by the Initial release. I think I'll make a progress video soon...

Sounds good :)
About the FS, I am wondering if perhaps you could make it so that when she shoots the opponents and the hitboxes connect, that the enemy would flinch a bit, to show that they are actually taking hits, not just be completely frozen until the fs is over? Like when she usually fires her gun.

The reason they're "frozen" like that is because the hitbox refreshes itself every 2 frames. If you want me to increase that number I can do so, but that would mean I have to fix the knockback rates of every hit.

Also the Final Smash wouldn't deal 120% anymore.

120% is overrated anyway. It'll be fine if you remove the helpless fall afterwards.

yeah as long as the grenade hits it looked like pretty much a instant KO anyways, at least I don't think it needs to do that much damage as long as it has okay KO potential. I would rather you make the FS seem more "alive" and I have to agree on removing the helpless fall after it. Too often does she go way past her chance at recovery X3

I made her helpless at the end of the Final Smash to balance out the overpoweredness of the attack. I also understand that she comes out short when recovering so I can at least make that feat easier.

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I feel like I should redo the entire FitSZerosuit.pac file just for the sake of getting a smaller filesize...

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Working on some GFX to her Gunshots...

A little feedback here:

Connecting the initial attack of the FS doesn't guarantee that the rest of the attack will connect properly. Fire arcs, positioning and/or knockback should be changed to remove this issue. Especially since the initial attack has really pitiful horizontal reach. Having to deal with the helpless fall AND the terrible reach means that you basically have to stand in one spot and hope the enemy is stupid enough to walk into it. So either it needs to connect better, or the helpless fall has got to go.

Other than that, fun as heck. Though, some boss PSAs with 11% heavy armour become a real pain when playing as her, because her strongest single-hit move does like... 8%.

I... Love This one! It looks like Minus Link's bomb arrows

The helpless fall I'll keep, but I'll make recovery a little easier.

As for the initial hit, I'll most likely change it due to how hard it is to hit with it. I'll need some ideas though...

Why not make somethin' a bit like Ike FS (with guns) like this :

She jumps a little, she spins around while shooting with her guns, when the hit connects, the FS starts.

Or ZSS runs forward while she's shooting, then time stop (or not) and FS

About the gfx, personally I thought it looked best as is, with only the bullet gfx you made. Too much fiery explosions and what not all over the place is just overkill I think. About her FS.  She could have something closer to that of link or marth, only that she rolls or runs forward and upon connecting with an opponent the FS starts. Don't make the reach so far that she will co straight off the screen though :)

Why are there 3 files in the Demo?

See, in my opinion the initial is pretty cool as is. If it were made to link better into the rest of the attack (change the knockback angles at individual points on the hitboxes so that hit enemies are pulled in more effectively, no matter when in the spin they're caught), and possibly given a slight range increase (they're guns, after all), it would actually work very well. It'd be neat to be able to hit enemies at a diagonal.

May I suggest a slight increase in knockback growth for the handguns in general? Her range isn't quite long enough to justify not being able to KO easily until 150%. Her Smashes especially could use the boost, and Down Smash could stand to have increased base knockback by just a little bit.
Also, Down Air's hitboxes are annoyingly vague, making it hard to connect. Either it needs bullets like all of her specials, or maybe your new gunshot GFX for the non-projectile moves will help identify the hitbox placement.

@Krillin: FitSZerosuit.pac is the moveset file, FitSZerosuitMotionEtc.pac is the animations, and FitSamus.pac is Samus with all her stuff removed because Zero Suit's file size is too high.

This, this is good advice. The initial is really cool indeed, and I wouldn't want to remove that either, just have it activate differently to make sure you don't have such a hard time capturing opponents in the FS.
I also agree on adding ranged bullets to her down air. I very much agree to that. No really, this is the one move that absolutely needs those bullets.

Watching the progress video, I can't help but think that Aerial Side Special's attack needs to not have Samus abruptly stop in midair, since it feels awkward and makes it harder to connect. If she kept her aerial momentum for the Side Special's attack initiation hit, it would make it easier to connect and make it flow better. You can do the momentum cancel on-hit for the rest of the move to connect properly. It would flow better, be easier to hit with, and also make her less open to counter-attack, which is critical for someone as light-weight as Gunslinger Samus.

About the Final Smash, Initially, the range was longer than what you have because I felt like it was too long, but now I'm getting things like "It's too short!" So I guess I better find a happy medium for that.

Now for the side special attack, I thought it'd be interesting to have some sort of risk/reward thing going on. The risk being going to the helpless state if used, the reward being more horizontal distance and deal damage (about 20% with the Machine Gun). Also I felt like it'd be pointless to give the attack more distance than you would if you didn't do it, then that would kill the risk/reward portion of the Side Special. I'll take this into consideration though. I think I should mention that you can still interrupt the aerial side special with an aerial attack. You just have to time it a bit later.

I don't mind giving her Handgun more Knockback Growth. After playing it for a while I see the need for a buff up.

I don't see anything wrong with going into helpless fall from Side Special's attack, only with the way she stops in midair to execute it, which leaves her sitting duck to anything up to and including Ike's side smash. Basically, the main dash from sideB would give her actual distance, then gravity would kick in again for the attack portion. Because the cancel is so early into the move, you'd still get less distance if you use it and miss, and you'd still be helpless afterwards. If you don't want to change the momentum, may I suggest finding some believable way to increase the hitbox size a little? Either one of the two would do wonders for the general utility of the move. After all, she goes into helpless fall even when it hits, doesn't she? So you aren't gonna start a chain with it.

BOOM, head-shot! XD

I guess that'll do.


Back on topic you...

I'm sorry, I was trying to make a funny.
Anyways.
I am guessing you are planning on making her FS cancel out if she doesn't connect it at startup?
It would kinda suck having to watch it if you didn't hit anyone with it. The question might be silly, but I think it's better I ask it than wonder.
Also, about her..hmm, Down smash I think it was, where she rolls and elbow strikes.
I think it would be fitting if she finished with a single gunshot after the elbow had sent the opponent flying slightly, not talking big, just about as long as her normal attack range is. Just for better flow in gameplay.
The same with the side smash, finishing with one or two shots. I'm not saying it's a must, but I think it would fit in well with her overall gameplay.

By the way, have you heard anything more about her model?

I was thinking about the gfx you made for the gun and I am wondering if there is any way to make it smaller, like, at least 5 times as small.  That would look much more appealing because the gfx wouldn't look like the gun exploded :)

1). Yes, the Final Smash Cancels if the initial hit misses.

2). Seeing her elbow strike is news to me... lol

3). Haven't really gotten much of an update from Mikuru...

4). I can make it smaller.

@Zutox: Down Smash, as far as I can tell, is actually a pair of gunshots/fire bursts. First is low on both sides, second is gangsta-style with the gun held under her arm. And Forward Smash is definitely a gun combo.

And yeah, I'll second that point on decreasing the size of the GFX. Also moving it closer to the edge of the barrel, since right now it goes off about half-way up the gun.

On a related note, please at least acknowledge our comments regarding DAir. If you don't have anything to say about it, that's fine, but we need to know that you listened!

I listened all right, and I've increased it's range. Not by alot, but I hope it's enough.

Wow I can't believe I saw so wrongly <..< My apologies ABC, my eyes are playing tricks on me.
I am pleased to hear you added some range on her  Dair.
About the gfx, I think it will look pretty nifty once it is reduced in size and plaed longer down on her gun. I guess at the moment I don't have much else to say regarding it. Will there be more demos before your v1 release, or will you wait till you get that far?

I don't plan any more demos in the future. This 3rd one came to me as a Surprise actually.

yea that demo was pretty solid so im definitly hyped for v1 all we need now is some RoF imports

I would like RoF Imports actually... Leanne 1st!

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But anyway, thanks for all the feedback! It'll be useful when the initial release comes out... Though we only have 1 thing missing...

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Running tests on the Final Smash, and a following trend I'm seeing is that the Starfox Characters (save for Falco) could easily escape the Final Smash due to how fast they fall. I only managed to KO 2/3 Wolves and 1/3 Foxes... To those of you wondering, I've increased the range of the initial hit, so getting 3 players caught in it shouldn't be much of a problem anymore... unless your opponents happen to be Fox or Wolf.

unfortunatley i havent found any models around so someone would have to rip em

I am proud to say that the PSA is in it's final stages! I managed to make the Final Smash work, some of the balancing issues have been fixed, and there are only a few bugs left. We stil have yet to get that character hack though...

Maybe increase upward knockback towards the lower end of the initial spin? And by "lower end", I mean the lower hemisphere of the hit area, not early in the animation. Also, if the rest of the final smash doesn't hit from a position, the spin shouldn't either. So my thought is, the back of the spin needs to either lose its hitboxes, or have them pull the enemy into the front of the attack for the rest to connect. Also, the very inside of the spin should push enemies outward towards Samus's front a little, to make them not get in the way of the first close-up and to make the second fire arc connect properly. Meanwhile, the outer edge at the front of the spin needs to pull foes in to avoid them escaping the second fire arc from the other side, which has happened to me repeatedly.

^ Probably irrelevant since you got it working anyway. Read if you like, or don't if you don't like.

Also, I've noticed that on some stages the camera doesn't work properly, while on others the attack sometimes behaves as if it connected even when it did not. Though, in this particular instance I'm not sure that's something that could be helped on your end, since it was a custom stage with an edited part. (A particular sort of anti-gravity field effect, where any character can stand at any point inside the field just by not fast-falling. Although, I wasn't in or on one of those when the glitch was happening, so I don't know.)

And not really a criticism so much as a suggestion, but I think for the handgun version of her A combo, the final blast (where she lands and fires her two guns with slightly different directions) should, instead of being three shots or however many it is (where only two of them will ever connect anyway), be a simultaneous single shot with both guns, aimed in the same direction. Possibly with her spinning the pistols as she holds them up into position, just for extra cool points. Unless, of course, you just don't like the idea/are too far along to change it now.

P.S. I think it would be cool to use a slightly modified version of Zero Suit's Plasma Whip for the Machine Gun. That blue glowing area on it becomes the trigger, while a handle is added right behind it. Then, use her Paralyzer for the handgun. That way, she doesn't have two sets of guns, just one set that transforms.

P.P.S. Is her gunshot GFX on just her close-combat moves, or her ranged attacks as well? Cause I think you should either not use it for the ranged attacks, or make it smaller on the ranged moves than on the close-combat moves.

1). I lost you there...

2). Sounds Cool, but a bit of extra work... lol... I can do it, just not right now...

3). I already have the paralyzer animations for the Machine Gun, I just haven't applied them yet. You can look at it in brawlBox if you wish.

4). The GFX will be used every time she fires. Though I reduced the size so it shouldn't be a problem.

1. The first two parts were about her Final Smash. The really long paragraph at the beginning was a list of suggestions on how to arrange the hitboxes on the initial spin to ensure that the foe never escapes the final smash.

4. I'm just worried about being able to tell where her hitboxes are, is all. That's why I was suggesting the gunfire GFX be slightly bigger on the close combat moves than on the ranged moves. Well, maybe don't change the size of the flying shell casings, 'cause that might look odd, but the explosion should probably be made big enough that its placement represents the exact placement of the hitbox.

Also. Her running animation. Looks a little odd the way her arms move with her legs. Maybe just have her arms fly out behind her, instead? I think it might look better. And she should take longer strides, since right now her legs look like they move WAY too fast.

Her running animation is actually a reference to how Zephyr runs in Resonance of Fate... lol... I could at least make it look better...

Say, did you ever find a new SFX for the machine gun? I recall you talking about looking through the game's Item SFX, but nothing was ever said beyond that.

I did, and couldn't find anything... sorry... lol...

Here's something to try: Play as Gunslinger Samus and pick up a cracker launcher. Then start walking around. The same can be done by rapid-firing a ray gun or super scope.

...You may wanna fix that before v1.0.

I'm gonna say no for the Ray Gun and the Super Scope cause they don't pass as a "realistic" Gun Shot.

EDIT: I thought you were talking about SFX... lol... I see what you mean... lol... Pretty funny, but it's gotta be fixed...

Added to the list of Known Bugs

I think some of her attacks need more range. As of the current version, some characters without weapons (namely ROB) can out-range, out-speed, and out-damage Gunslinger Samus.

ROB's forward tilt, down tilt, A combo, and forward air all out-range and out-speed Gunslinger Samus's forward tilt, down tilt, and A combo. Any attempt to hit with forward tilt is likely to be met by two down tilts. It's so bad that Samus's tilts and A combo can't even be used to punish a missed attack by ROB. ROB's down air out-ranges her up tilt, and as of the current demo, ROB's up tilt out-ranges and out-speeds her down air.

Still needs range I see... I wonder how much range does she need...

Well, apparently a blank can injure out to two metres. Just a tidbit of real life fact for you to consider, because honestly I'm not sure either. My only other advice for range on her close-combat moves would be to think Pit.

Also, that whole range issue was why I was suggesting that the GFX be bigger for the close-combat moves than the long-range moves. The GFX is going to need to go from the edge of the gun's barrel to the edge of the hitbox anyway, so the player and their opponent know where the attack hits.

Edit: She drops items way too easily! I grabbed a Franklin Badge at 0%, and a level 9 ROB CPU knocked it off me with a single side tilt.

And yeah, she needs a good bit more range. I'm starting to think that the advice about blanks injuring out to two metres is good advice to take. Or at least to one metre.

BTW, machine gun's neutral special is a bit overpowered on walk-off stages. B > jump B > B > jump B > B > jump B > etc. until the opponent is pushed off the stage. It's probably escapable, but I once pushed all three opponents almost off the stage with that in a free-for-all. One of them actually died from it, and if I hadn't stopped when I realised how cheap I was being the others would be done for, too. Personally, I'd recommend you increase the range on the neutral specials, up specials, and ground side specials of both guns by just a little bit, in exchange for slightly increased startup on the ground version of the machine gun's neutral special.

I should've been paying more attention to balancing... lol... I was working on a stage so I haven't been working on the PSA. I'll deal with those issues whenever I can.

When are you gonna start working on Misaki PSA from the game called the world ends with you?

I already made progress as you can see in the video. I haven't touched her attacks yet though...

Hey, no worries. Stages are cool too, after all. But go ahead and try that thing with Neutral Special. Basically, just B on the ground, then jump and hit B while she's still on her way up, then press B as soon as you land, then jump and hit B while she's still on her way up, etc. It's pretty ridiculous, but I think all you'd have to do to fix it is increase the startup time of Neutral Special on the ground by a tiny amount.

I've done it before, but not repeated... lol... I should probably delay the attack a bit.

Just gonna say now, that the Character Hack Job Offer is back up due to Mikuru's inactivity/Lack of Progress...

Something interesting to look at!

*eatches the video*
Uwa ha ha!
Those are lovely animations. I can't wait for the final release. Do you have other ideas of people you can PM for the character hack?

At this point, I'm just waiting for anyone to take the Job offer.

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Her Down Taunt...

darn so samus wont work in the final version?

If I can lower the File Size, that won't be the case.

You were able to do it before, so I'm not worried about samus not being able to work in the final version  :)

Are you having any trouble with the file size issue, or haven't you gotten to that point just yet?
I mean, you aren't dealing with that atm?

Well, what I need to do now is add that Extra Gun, make a few bug fixes, and that's it. I should be able to get that lowered Filesize by the time I get the 2nd gun in there.

nice, sounds good

That sounds great, looking forward to see it once it is in it's released state :)
Have you gotten the model for her yet?
I personally still think that a model of Gunner Yuna FFX-2 style would have gone well with this PSA X) I'm not saying she "should" be of course.

Also, you say that you are giving her a second gun, but I am wondering, have you also given her that machine gun she starts with?

And I have a question too. How are you going to lower her filesize? Just cutting out things in the original PSA that she doesn't need?
It seems very difficult to lower filesizes to me if you've already finished the PSA. But, I'd be willing to give up Samus to play with this PSA.

Making Edits in BrawlBox actually lowers the filesize by a significant amount to the point that it goes back to normal. If you see the filesize difference between the 2nd Demo and the other 2 demos I've released, you'll see...

However, BrawlBox is annoying when opening the moveset portion when the filesize is big...

Aha.
But that means you can't edit it in PSA anymore, right?

That's why I do the heavy work in PSA 1st.

I ahvent downloaded the newest demo or seen any videos, but are you still using the same shooting SFX?

Yes I am. You got something in mind?

yes. etiher the mario's sound when a fireball leaves his hand, ivysaur's bullet seed sound, or Samus' sound when she shoots from the gun

Problem with Mario and Ivysaur is that they have to be in the match in order for it to work. Also, would those sounds work for Machine Guns? I think the Handgun sound is fine.

Is ther a shorter version of that SFX? it seems to long and liek a constant rinign. if nto thats fine, its jsut that the SFX gets annoying :/

I understand the need of a new Machine Gun SFX, but it needs to fit...

The best I can come up with is the sound made by uncharged Super Scope shots, but I'm not sure how well that would actually work.

For what I'm working on, no.

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Added the 2nd Gun in, and BrawlBox refuses to let me change the bone the article is attached to because it won't open the moveset. Brawlbox would crash upon doing so.

use 67 instead of 67b.

That seems to work...

And then the file crashes... Somebody else wanna do it? I'll add it to the Job Offers.

Okay, are you talking about an actual article-  like Mario's fireballs- or do you mean the model of the second gun?

I replaced the Whip with another Gun. And the Whip itself is actually an Article.

I'm sorry, but I still don't know what problem you're having. What is it you're trying to move? To which bone?

I'm trying to move Article 2 to the Left Have Bone which is 1B in hexadecimal... Should I send you the file to edit?

You could send it and I'd play around with it, but I don't expect to be able to accomplish anything. Actually, I didn't even know we could manipulate Articles beyond using the old floating-point editor that I never tried.
If you do send it to me, I'd like to know what the Article is and what it's used for. It seems to me that all of the attacks would work with regular PSA code.

It would. I'll PM you.

You know, I think Scarlet Fighter Zelda's UAir could stand to have a bit more vertical reach. Only commenting now because this is like the millionth time I've missed an enemy or smash ball by like an inch three times in a row and gotten punished for it. Or had the smash ball simply LEAVE while I'm trying to hit it.
(P.S. This was posted via 3DS, so I apologise if the spacing is weird.)

I'm at a dead end right now... Expect the initial release of GSS to be... sometime after BlackJax can finish the next BrawlBox. The only means of progress now is if somebody can take these Job Offers...


If that's your only complaint, I'll have to find other flaws that Scarlet Fighter has cause I think it's pointless to make a new update with only 1 change...

Well, there's always some animations that could use tweaking, namely the FS and UTilt. And my earlier comment about polygon stretching during SideB still stands. (If you hit an enemy during the wrong part of the roll animation, her hair will stretch everywhere for a moment.) Also, I think she might benefit from slightly increased height on her short hop, which would make aerial DownB easier to connect. UpB has long startup with mediocre damage and knockback and high endlag, so it's not really useful for anything other than recovery. Oh, and the FThrow animation twitches weirdly when viewed in slow-motion.

Also, for whatever reason, she forces size-modded characters back to normal size when flinching or during victory poses, instead of just when grabbed + thrown.

You did ask for me to list more flaws, right? That's every single little issue I can think of, right here for your convenience!

P.S. Shame about GSS, though. Hope that next BrawlBox release happens soon, then!

Just to add some more content, I'll be updating Shinda. Here's what'll be changed


Also, as a New BrawlBox is coming close, be excited for the release of Gunslinger Samus.

I hope the new Brawlbox fixes the problem you're having with the article.
If not, tell Blackjax in his thread. He's usually pretty good about looking into these things.

So, Shinda has been updated. Give her a spin! I never got feedback about her since it's initial release...

I'll work on GSS as soon as the next BrawlBox is released.

Just gonna say right now, I feel like I should Redo the Final Smash and make it more "Cinematic"... New Animations and all, and I don't think it'll be as OP as it is right now...

Hum... I wonder if an CPU fighter can be ZSS directly (without the CSS codes, obviously^^') Because, it's kinda hard to play against a Samus that doesn't hit AT ALL!
If I manage to find that PAL code for CSS (not sure it exists, might misfond with Camera code) and make it work...
Do you know if it possible?

Outside of the CSS Code, I'm not entirely sure...

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You like?



SSBB Hacks - Gunslinger Samus' New Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4nndIavAow#)

The whole idea is great! GFX are well done (although the smoke is a bit too large but not too much a problem) Cinematic is great! I LOVE IT! SSBB more gun-ish, that's :af2:
Just a question : does the explosion connects with the FS? or it's like the 1st one?

SO, GOOD JOB
(http://i.imgur.com/rKH9oL5.jpg)

If the 1st Explosion Misses, the rest of the Final Smash is cancelled.

Ok. Do you plan a texture with it or something?

I've asked Mikuru, but due to her inactivity, I'll have to ask someone else...

What is it supposed to look like?

I'd leave it up to the creator, but being inspired from that not so famous RPG Game that is Resonance of Fate, a choice of Steam Punk could be a start...

Like this? :

Don't go out of your way doing Leanne... lol... I'm wanting a model import of her however... but she's not what I want for this...

No... just wondering... I don't even know how to do a good texture...



(DKF Toon Link PSA, I didn't do myself his texture)
I think I know who to ask... But not sure about this...

I expect good quality work from the person I'd be asking... so...

I love it. :srs:

And what about an Air-FS?

For some reason, there's something that's preventing her from doing the rest of the Final Smash when the 1st explosion hits in the Air... What I'll most likely do is make her throw the grenade, and have it do as much damage and knockback as it would if used on the ground. I'll give it a different animation too.


I got confused from your quote for a sec... lol...

*Sees vid

I've has that before I did the video, but then I cleaned up some things...

It's still a WIP, so so I'll take feedback from anyone. Good to hear some feedback once in a while to offset things like "OMG That looks amazing!" lol...

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Better indeed

Dude you think you could write a small tutorial on how you do those awesome camera effects?  That looks so glorious.

I have thoughts about doing that, but the only people that would benefit from that would be people experienced with PSA... I have given pointers to Kagemaru and Pervy though, so I guess it wouldn't hurt...

If you make a topic like this, people will start tryin' to make some FS just like you... Even maybe other attacks... if it works.

Maybe I should try this when I have the time...

I already have one... (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=48416.0) Yet, I'm still the only one doing these...

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I felt the need to update the Final Smash... lol...

SSBB Hacks - Gunslinger Samus' New Final Smash UPDATED (WIP) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig5I26vKzBg#)

Minor changes to the previous video, and I also show off the Aerial Final Smash.

Why doesn't the aerial version work the same way? It did in the previous FS. Why the change here?

No, what I meant was, do you know WHY that happens in this case and not with the previous one?

Also, are you gonna fix that stupid stretchy hair glitch with SF Zelda's Side Special ever? I also left a really long post of possible fixes. Did you read it?

I read it, I know what you mean. I haven't started on it yet.

And to answer your question, The old Final Smash uses 1 Animation. I placed a variable there so that when it reaches that point, and the hitbox does not connect, the move will cancel automatically. Which isn't very smooth. This new one uses 2 Animations. 1 For when it misses, and another for when it hits.

The new animations look awesome. The only change I would suggest is that her hair stays up too long at the end of the ground FS- it kind of freaked me out the first time I saw it. It's a great effect for the explosion, but it shouldn't stay stiff for so long. Maybe it could swing around her head rather than just standing up and falling down again?

Also, in regards to jrush's suggestion about making a tutorial, I know that I'd want to PSA camera effects like those. I'm trying to do one for the FS of a PSA I've almost completed, but learning the camera controls in PSA is intimidating and I can't seem to get started. I'd love to see a tutorial to make the whole thing less alien to me.

I meant a tutorial...

Too much hitlag on the gunshots in that FS. And in the second section (where she's in the air shooting at the enemy), she's aiming just a little bit too high towards the end, and it looks sort of off. Also, I second that comment on her hair staying elevated for too long.

Still looks pretty cool, though.

I know what you mean. I used an aesthetic wind effect for the hair, and I can't seem to figure out how it works... Too many undefined parameters...

As for the tutorial, look here (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=58962.0)... You're welcome! :)

Woohoo! Thanks!

Cool! I have to look more closely at this! :)

Thanks!

Look here (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=59079.0) for the details, but I'm considering Phoenix Wright as a PSA Project...

Hey, ABC. Ever tried Fighter Common #22 as the sound effect for GSS's Machine Gun? I was just messing around on the sound test and thought it sounded pretty good. I'd keep the current SFX for the Pistol, however.

Also, Phoenix Wright! I hope that works out.

I'll try it when I can.

About Phoenix Wright, because I have other projects I should be working on, I'm willing to make this a Collab Project. Anyone interested should talk to me.

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Post Merge: April 25, 2013, 09:44:49 PM

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SSBB Hacks - Who's got Stage Fright? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrNl284bF7g#)

Just felt like showing this off... really shows what you can do with Shinda's new Down Special Alterations...

So clearly, the only thing I've been doing at this point is updating some of my current PSAs. (Scarlet Fighter 1.4, Shinda 1.2, GSS' new Final Smash) And because the new BrawlBox won't be out for a while, I decided that I start something new. Until the new BrawlBox comes out, GSS will be on hold. As of right now, I have a priority list...

1). Shiki Misaki
2). Blade Prince Marth
3). XIII Boss

Why Shiki Misaki and not Blade Prince? I got the idea of Shiki Misaki because somebody requested it. If that person is reading this right now, be happy, because more progress will be made in the following weeks!

As far as actual moveset goes, here's a list I've compiled so far...


That's my update, thank you and good night!

The new Brawlbox just came out tonight.

so will you still continue shiki Misaki PSA still or you'll go
back to the gunner PSA over ZSS?

I'm hoping you finish up shiki misaki, I'm more interested in that PSA.

Oh! it did! Thanks for the heads up! I'll still work on Shiki Misaki, but at the same time, I'll finish up Gunslinger Samus. There's not much left to do with that anyway.

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New BrawlBox does not solve my problem... I'll have to find an alternate solution to my problem... Sorry, the filesize won't be reduced unless I redo the entire FitSZerosuit.pac file again. And hopefully it's not as buggy

That kind of sucks. I hope it's not too difficult!

How does this sound? Post GSS with everything done and the large filesize, then make a later update with the reduced filesize. I really don't have the motivation to redo the entire FitSZerosuit.pac file at the moment.

Sure, let's do that. I don't really like normal Samus anyway, heh. I actually don't like normal ZSS that much either, so Gunslinger Samus is awesome enough to replace both of them.

I agree. And we would have a better base to give feedback on if you would need to make more changes.
Luckily I found a PSA over samus that has such a small file size that I can use it and gunslinger samus so the samus slot won't be completely useless. It's the Hinata psa. It's a bit overpowered, but I nerfed it down so it became playable.
But anyways, please do share it with us :)

I... NEED... THIS... PSA!!!
Where did you found it?

By some dumb luck, I may have just lowered the filesize... I am so excited right now...

And it still crashes the game...

if you play with the "empty" samus and GSS, it works, but without, it doesn't... why don't you try to remove some SFX?
It's not the thing that takes a lot of place, but it's just a suggestion...

I also confess that I was completly crazy after playing with her and the "infinite gunshot" SFX

I'd rather not remove things that I'm actually using... removing something that I am using makes no sense...

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Ya know what?! I give up! BrawlBox clearly wants me to redo the entire FitSZerosuit.pac file again, and so I shall do that! Expect GSS to be done in the distant future...

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Previews anyone?

I'd suggest you do release Gunslinger Samus with the larger filesize, and then update it later or release another version. I was going to suggest it earlier, but didn't think you'd be receptive to it.
Thing is, I'd much prefer to use your GSS than the normal Samus anyway.

Not releasing a larger-filesize version? I think it would be a good idea to do so.

But due to filesize constraints, and BrawlBox not letting me do what I want, I can't do the finishing touches that would make the moveset complete. That missing thing being the 2nd Gun. I'm running out of things to remove from both Samus, and Zero Suit Samus. And whatever's left wouldn't make a difference if I removed it.

Would it save filesize if you made Samus's Wait1 and Entry be her transformation taunt, then basically removed everything else that you can manage without freezing? I'm sorta concerned for the future of this PSA, and really don't want it to end up on permanent hiatus. Especially when it's so close to completion.

The only way I can get a working version at this point is through dumb luck. If I manage to get BrawlBox saving the moveset edits (which is not doing that at the moment), then that's good. I've also had the idea of having both her guns as External GFXs, but the size of the paralyzer is too big to use as one. Not to mention that I have to use them twice... I'll keep trying, and I'll let you guys know when I can get it released. And if that doesn't work, I'll have to redo the entire FitSZerosuit.pac...

Do you save your code as a .txt or something for future reference? Is that how you're so consistently able to just redo everything?

No. I just happen to have a backup version of it. Also, I may not need to do that for I am getting close...

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Alright guys! Don't worry about GSS! I got the 2nd Gun to Work! And that's my biggest worry out of the way! Of course there's a few other things that need fixing, but that'll come at a later time. I still need a character hack, and somebody to fix the grabs.

That's great news!

*insert hype here*

Yay, finally some good news :D By the way, I remember we pestering you about the range of her down air move. Did you increase the range on it?
And you got her second gun to work now and that's great news, so I am wondering since she has two modes, did you also add the machine gun, or does she use her guns for that too?

She'll have both guns in hand, and they will change depending on which one you have equipped. You'll notice that the Machine gun is slightly longer. And yes, I added range to her Down Air. If you missed the post, I didn't add too much.

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I also managed to fix the grabs! They work as normal now! Just a few more things to add, and I'll be able to release GSS! Expect it sometime this week.

I logged in just to do this.

I'm looking forward to this!! :happy:

Well guys, I screwed up big time... For some reason the file keeps crashing my game, and I forgot to save a Backup... So that means... I'm restarting the FitSZeorsuit.pac...

Sorry for hyping you guys like this only to let you down... Unless I can somehow fix it, GSS will be delayed... again...

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Nevermind! I got it working again... This is going to be the trend for the whole week isn't it?

Well, let's all start to dance to support you! xD

Did you already modified it in BrawlBox?

Yes I did. And it's on the edge of Working, and crashing.

By the way, I somehow managed to mess up the grabs again. So I'll need help when I finish this.

I -may- be able to help with the grabs. I need to learn how to alter them for a future PSA project of my own, so if it'd help, I'll go through my tutorial list a bit earlier than I planned and see if I can find out what's wrong with GSS's at the same time.

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Post Merge: May 01, 2013, 10:05:03 PM

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Actually, strike that last statement. I'm going to be off the internet for a couple weeks, 'cause of finals. Everything online is distracting, so...

Sorry, I think you'll have to ask someone else.  :P See you in 2 1/2 weeks.

Well that sucks... lol. I already PM'd jrush to fix the problem for me. I have yet to get a reply however...

Would you be surprised if I told you that there is a total of 21 files in the ZIP folder you'll download? If you're curious about it's contents, read the spoiler...

Did you made some textures? :o :o

No. The only difference is the gun animations.

So according to JRush. I made the PSA come to a point where she can't throw anymore... meaning I have to redo the PSA. luckily I have a backup version with all the edits except for the Final Smash. meaning I have to redo the camera shots and all. So it shouldn't take too long to get back to the point I was at...

Miss me?

Finally got the motivation to work on Gunslinger Samus. And I decided to do a join.me of me working on it... So go ahead... join.me (https://join.me/107-121-930).

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So in the end of the session, I was unable to test the Final Smash due to it crashing in the CSS. No big Bleeping sound however...

I missed you! :D

That sounds like a filesize issue. Or like BrawlBox deciding not to co-operate. That happened to me when I tried to save a Lucario PSA using BrawlBox. I dunno how that happens, so maybe try rearranging stuff (subactions etc.) until it works? Or try getting a smaller ZeroSuit model/texture. That'll allow you more filesize to work with if BrawlBox decides to continue not cooperating.

P.S. I missed you, too! Hah.

Oh yeah, that's another thing! I still need somebody to make a character hack! Hopefully it's a smaller filesize, but I'm not gonna take any bets that it is...

a easy way to have a lower filesize for zss is to get rid of her expressions, her body is the absolutely less you can make it.

you should probably go for a texture mod and maybe a different face and hairstyle...

Or you could make a character hack that isn't really based on ZSS at all (aside from having a similar enough bone structure for the animations to work), thus possibly allowing you to have a smaller model/texture. You can also get around the issue temporarily by lowering the detail on Samus's model/texture. In fact, that might explain why that PSA of Hinata over Samus that somebody mentioned earlier worked with GSS.

Yeah I think that PSA was originally Peach based as that was where the model came from originally if I am not mistaken. The kid Hinata PSA I mean.

Any updates? Bumping thread before it becomes necroposting. >_>

Sadly no... At this point, I have lost all motivation to working on GSS, so at this point, I don't mind somebody else taking over the project... I'd like to move on to something else...

Considering how much difficulty BrawlBox was giving you, this actually makes sense. That said, could I (and others) possibly convince you to resume the project once a version of Ikarus that supports ZSS is released?

Well, you can let this project apart and start on another one... Like your Shiki Misaki...

Speaking of which, I have made more progress on it... Not too much, but at least something is done... lol...

Well, I'm not sure I can finish GSS perfectly, but I'd be willing to try- I'd far prefer that than never letting her see a release.
And of course I'd send you the file when I was finished so you could release it. If you send me the file in a PM, I'll finish the project for you.

Thanks! I'll send you the files when I get back. I'll work on Shiki while you do that!

S...Shiki?

...You're my new favorite PSAer now. @.@

Oh no...you're giving up? All the sad! v..v
Well, it's not like I don't understand what with all the problems you have had. It's a shame to see all that work for nothing though. Hacking is supposed to be fun, so if you are feeling like it's more of a chore then of course you should just move on :)

Well, it's not like the project is Canned. I simply gave it to somebody else who's willing to work on it for me.

And skip to something else, because it's too annoying, right?

Anyway, is TWEWY an anime or game?
'Cuz I wanna be able to understand what do you planned for Shiki...

TWEWY is a Game for the DS, and it has been ported to the iOS.

Ok, I'll just watch some videos :happy:

If I can help somehow, just tell me :)

I think playing the game yourself would be better...

We'll see about it later...
How did you progress on her?

Basic Movement is done. I also started a few animations on her attacks... Finished animating the Dash Attack.

Also, I've run into blanks for some of her attacks. Namely the Up Tilt, Up Smash, Up Air, and Up Special.

If I remember right, Shiki has a bit of an Uppercut, Shoyukenish attack that she usually finishes combos off with. I'm sure it could fit into either the Up Smash, or the Up Special if you were to give it a bit more air. If you did it for the Smash, you could make the tilt a less powerful version where she doesn't throw herself into the air. For the up in the air, she could hold Mr. Mew over her head and he'd preform a swipe attack, kind of like Wolf's up air.

bloody Canadian, what's new with the Shiki Misaki PSA?

Due to BrawlBox having stripped of PSA Modding (Since Ikarus is being made), I'll redo the FitPeach.pac file. And I kinda wanted to do that since I haven't altered any of her hitboxes yet. As for actual progress, it's slowly, but surely being made. I finished animating her Jab, Dash Attack, Side Tilt, Up Tilt, Up Smash, and Down Smash.

Due to the lack of ideas for a Shiki PSA, I'll work on Blade Prince Marth along with her. Simply because I have his full moveset planned out already.

What moves do you need ideas for for Shiki? I can probably think of a thing or two.

Well Let's see...


That's not alot now that I think about it...

I've never actually played TWEWY, but Shiki attacks using that little stuffed animal thing, right? (I know it has a name, but I don't remember what the name is.)

Up Aerial could have the stuffed animal ride her on her head and make a clawing swipe upwards. Down Aerial could have the stuffed animal rocket downwards while spinning, before bouncing back up as if attached to a yo-yo.

Another idea I have for Down Aerial is for Shiki to go into a diving missile kick as the stuffed animal slams down onto her back or shoulder, forcing her to fastfall at a slight forwards angle in the direction of the kick. You could also easily swap my other Down Aerial idea for Up Aerial, having the stuffed animal go spinning upwards to hit enemies overhead before coming back down.

I'm referring to Sprite Sheets from both the DS Game (http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/1/604.gif), and the Solo Remix (http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/47/50348.png). Maybe these'll help?

I still think you could easily make one of the aerials by having the cat thingy curl into a ball and slam upward or downward, similar to Sonic's ledge attack. Actually, now that I think about it, use that for up aerial, because I just spotted a great sprite of the cat doing a pinpoint kick that would be awesome for down aerial. Just have Shiki hold her cat thingy and slam it downward to strike the enemy with the cat's kick. (Actually, I think that's the cat's jumping animation, but it would work great for a kick too.)

The up air, as stated before, would probably be best for a overhead claw swipe, similar to Wolf's.

Down air can be a kick from Shiki herself, similar to Zelda's only without the magic and a tad weaker.

As for the down special, a counter may be fitting: Mr. Mew takes the hit for Shiki, and knocks them away with a counter. Actually, it IS over Peach, so maybe you could just spruce up her Neutral B attack and use that. And if that's too complicated, maybe some form oa a lazer attack? Mr. Mew bombards the stage with Lazers when she and Neku reach a level 3 pin, so probably some form of a weaker version of that.

Thanks for the ideas! I went with Dark Aura's idea for the Wolf Up Air idea. Although it'll work somewhat different. And I think Down Air would be a Meteor Smash attack. I don't think a Dive Kick would be fitting for Shiki seeing that she never does that in the game. When I finish these animations, I can start working on the hitboxes and External GFXs. Specials will be animated later.

To shut some people up, here's a video to show you that progress has actually been made!

Finally Some Progress! (Shiki Misaki PSA Update) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7CPaR2Q_4#)

Looking good, man! Keep it up.

Now that I'm working on the hitboxes, I think I should confirm how Shiki is going to play.

Damn, that sounds unique. Liking the idea behind her. I guess that offcially makes Mr. Mew her new partner though. XD

I made Fast Progress... lol

SSBB Hacks - Shiki Misaki Progress Video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHelYJUgrNs#)

Now to work on Specials... any ideas for Neutral and Down Special?

Looks sweet dude! And I assume Mr. Mew will just be added later, right?

As for specials, Mr. Mew's lazer is still sort of an option, as well as using him for a counter... Actually, just got a sort of random idea. What if you used her phone for one of the specials? Like she takes a picture and stuns the enemy or something... Then again, I'm guessing a phone model wouldn't be that easy.

1). Yes, Mr.Mew will be added later. Already have most of his animations done already!

2). Lazer is not a bad idea... I guess I'll have it's attack power range with different levels.

3). A phone would be better suited for a Joshua PSA...

Neutral could be with that Mr Mew... Charges, and launch him on the foe, then it comes back.
As for Down, no idea...

Ugh, kinda hard to think of moves to use when Neku's the one with all the diversity... ;_;

Hrm... maybe the Down Special can be a Puck? As in the Green Aura Neku and Shiki pass around, and it gives her a temporary strength or speed boost. Maybe you can only use it when you're a higher level, so that people who don't use Final Smashes can have use for it.

That actually works! Now how am I gonna make an animation for that... lol... I'll come up with something...

Now we need a Neutral Special, and I should be set!

This one :
Or this one :

I should also take into consideration a Counter Attack. Since in TWEWY, her counters deal double damage...

However, those "Counters" Always attack from behind...

That would actually be really interesting to have a counter that only works from behind. XD

Or extremly annoying xD

Unless her animation would have her turn around... If I do that, then I should be good.

That would certainly work. XD

i'm not sure how progress has come with your zero suit gun slinger... but you ought to look into doing a character replacement for this psa... i read somewhere that you didn't want her to change into power suit... honestly i kinda wouldn't either... but i most certainly wouldn't want to disable that ability for both zero suit and reg samus... i'm fairly certain that doing this psa over another character would be a good idea... but i will let you decide that for yourself... just a suggestion is all... ;D

I gave the project to somebody else. I'll let him decide at this point.

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Would this work? lol...

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Gonna have to change our ideas for a bit. The Side Special is now the Neutral Special due to problems I've encountered.

For some reason, if she goes to another animation from the Side Special, she leaves the ground...

When you say she 'leaves the ground', do you mean she briefly teleports away off-screen then suddenly comes back?

No. If she goes into another animation during the Side Special, the game will tell her to leave the ground. She'll be in the same position, but she acts like she's in the air, and won't land until the animation is finished.

I actually just had a similar problem with Sasuke, I don't know how exactly the coding for the SS works the way I fixed mine was set the air/ground  in the if on ground / else.It makes no sense, but it fixed the problem for me.

i love me some unique characters!
so is she using her fluffy thingy for some attacks?

I'll add that in later. I'll be doing most of the stuff with PSA. Stuff I do in BrawlBox will have to wait for later. Mr.Mew is one of them.

So yeah...

Clearly, I've lost the motivation to to make PSAs now... Thanks guys...

I'll try to get back into it by doing a small thing. I'll be working on new Specials and Final Smash for Scarlet Fighter Zelda. I may change some of her normal moves as well.

Any PSA over Zelda is a welcome PSA. Considering it is the only "complete" and working PSA over Zelda that works together with Spiderman, it's an "important" one. At least for those like me, who wishes to change every character in brawl for a new one :)

Regarding the Scarlet Fighter: She is still way overpowered and she can spam anyone to death in a few seconds. Her knockback on several attacks are really insane and she knocks out most characters with ease before they reach 90% damage. She also needs more cool down on some of her more powerful moves, or she will just be able to spam anyone to death in 10 seconds.

An example is her side B.  Repeat a few times. KO

 All the flames and explosions are also a bit annoying as it's just too much. I'd love to see all the fire effects just removed completely, making her a nicer and cleaner to look at fighter. What you could do instead is perhaps add some red sword glow to her legs. That would have looked epic.

I think her FS is pretty cool besides the explosion at the end. And if you removed all the fire effects and had a red sword glow instead that stayed behind a bit after every strike, that would have looked pretty ***** sweet :D

My thoughts at least :)

Thanks for your thoughts. So I should compile a list of what I'll be reworking...

SideB is actually quite difficult to land fully if the opponent knows what they're doing. Neutral Special's knockback is rather over-the-top, however, especially using it double-reversed. It KOs easily at 45%. Up Special needs something going for it in terms of practical combat use. What if you combined Up Special with Down Special by adding a little bit of intangibility to the end of the startup, then changed Down Special to something else? It could possibly use a bit more base knockback as well, or perhaps a change in knockback angle, so that it isn't too easily punishable.

Her smashes are too fast and not strong enough on KB. FSmash is super spammy, but is useless beyond that.

I too agree that some of the fire effects are a little much, but I don't think they need to be removed completely. The explosion on SideB can stay, but needs to be quite a bit smaller. Maybe add a red sword trail to the kick like zutox said. UpB would benefit from some other effect than just a generic fireball, though. Maybe use a trail of just smoke, or a red sword trail like zutox suggested, and have the fireball stick to her fist when she punches?

Definitely, on the FS the hits should not actually be fire elemental, but instead just add a small fireball GFX that sticks to her fists as she attacks, and as zutox said sword trails on the kicks would be cool. Keep the exploding finisher though, it looks great. Mostly, the animations just need to be smoothed out and it needs camera work. Tone down the damage a bit, as well.

When I meant rework, I meant give them new attacks... lol.

I'll keep these in mind for the attacks I'm keeping though...

I figured as much, but for some of the moves I don't think that's necessary.

Hopefully she'll be less spammy...

I'll wait for another time to explain her specials. I think it'll make the character more interesting...

The spamminess comes from moves that chain into themselves instead of other moves, like Side Special, Forward Tilt, and Forward Smash. Think about how you can arrange her moveset so that, for example, Down Tilt chains nicely into Up Tilt (Mario's does this). Preferably without using Allow Specific Interrupt combos (or "On-Hit Cancel" and variations thereof), because that's the cheap and artificial way of doing it, and results in forcing the player to use certain, pre-bottled combos.

Well, adding some allow special interrupts isn't that bad... To make her ground combo some tilts could be a nice idea... or chaining attacks like DTilt>DTilt>Up smash (can be another combo, even air moves...)
Pretty cheap, but really fun to play... Just a suggestion though...

Wait for my Blade Prince Marth PSA for the overuse of Interrupt Events. But what I have planned for Scarlet Fighter is something similar, and it only applies to her Specials...

Sounds interesting...

Though expect this to take a while, I'm in Post Secondary right now, and I'm busy with work I should be doing.

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I'm curious as to why people show more support to Scarlet Fighter than Shinda... I barely got any feedback on Shinda, so idk how balaced it is...

Shinda's main problem that I've noticed was the rigging issue with her scythe.

Most likely it's simply because of character placement.
Peach has several PSA's to choose from, so a lot of people who are happy with what they got don't even bother trying new ones sometimes.
While with Zelda, she only has the Scarlet Fighter PSA as a working psa that actually works while also having Spiderman on Shiek.. instant download.
Zelda, samus, zero suit, kirby and bowser are starved of complete PSA's. There might be some, but not much to choose from there.

I've noticed how people played Scarlet Fighter with Sheik PSAs, so I guess it makes sense... to bad it's not as good as Shinda... at least in my opinion...

*follows thread*

All those claw-slashing effects on Shiki makes me want to put the Felicia import on her :P
I personally think your most interesting character this far has been the gunslinger. Still hoping to see a breakthrough with that one... it gets tiresome switching out PSA's from samus all the time when me and my friends want to play as her XD

Preview Image time!

About shinda I really don't have any problems with her not that she is perfectly balanced but there is nothing with her that stands out as over powered.

I like the added random and change to the down b event. Giving her a heart or w/e it was, was a bit much.
I do think her final smash shouldn't last that long.
My friends won't even play with me if I pick that character because of the final smash.  I event changed the collision size so that they wouldn't get damage without being close but the attack randomly smashes opponents.

That is true,though i rarely use final smashes.

I'm thinking of changing it. I have ideas. But I like Shinda for her moveset aside from the Final Smash.

Was just watching your video of Shinda on Boss Battles. I may have to try her out, her air combos look really cool.

Because it's a new page, I should post this again...


Look at the previous page for details...

The kick looks a little stiff, but it's pretty good otherwise. Might want to work on having her legs come out for the kick AS she flies backwards, not before. Landing needs a little work, as well, right now it looks like she has no weight whatsoever, she just lands like a feather.

I feel like you're my director... lol

It's a good thing, otherwise my PSAs would be less than appealing...


It doesn't give her a heart. I gave her an apple. If I gave her a heart, that would be broken... lol...

That Gunslinger Samus vid :>.>:...was more than enough to convince me from subscribing to this thread  :af:

Sadly, it won't be out for a while...

Why does everyone always use apples for this (food-summoning specials, I mean)? Are they just the easiest to use in coding for some reason? Why not ice cream, or a coffee, or a strawberry? I think it would be cool if you used one of the other food items instead of an apple. Just because.

Using the other food items is a PAT0 Animation. And I can't use PSA to specify which food item it is. It's always an apple because it is always the 1st PAT0 Animation on the list.

Ah. So if you wanted to use other food items, you'd have make edits through BrawlBox?

But if differing food types is just an animation, how is it that they heal different amounts? (Sorry, this is probably the wrong place for this sort of question. I'm just curious, is all.)

Probably something in the code calls for both the animation, and how much it heals.

Maybe you could look at Game & Watch's Judgement Hammer (7), if that helps? Or does PSA not like Game & Watch?

It's not really an issue, it'd just be kinda cool if Shinda summoned something other than apples. If she has a favourite food, she could summon that instead.

That my friend would be Tea...

Speaking of Shinda, I'm working on her new Final Smash right now.

So do you already know what you're going to do for Shinda's FS? Because I have a few cool ideas:

FS idea: The Final Battle: Like her current FS with the same name, Shinda creates a swirling vortex of paper. However, instead of covering the entire field, the vortex surrounds only her. She can move as normal while the attack is active. The paper vortex grants Shinda Super Armour on all animations (except when she's already intangible), and deals damage to nearby foes, hitting repeatedly at a rapid rate. These hits also cause fairly strong flinching, spiking grounded enemies down and towards her, while aerial foes are simply sent horizontally towards her. Lasts 13 seconds.
As you can see, this FS turns Shinda into an infinite-combo monster who can absolutely destroy anyone who gets close. And it has a rather broad definition of "close"; even Marth's reach wouldn't be enough to get through.

My other idea isn't so much a full FS as it is just a sort of recommendation: if you're planning on making Shinda's FS a cinematic attack combo like Gunslinger Samus's, use her current FS (purple tint and paper swirling in the background) as the backdrop.

Yes, it is gonna be a combo thing. Though I do like the paper idea. But to be honest, I used paper as an attack cause I simply didn't have ideas for attacks. Shinda can't really use paper for attacks. And I should know, she is my OC.

Speaking of Combos...


1st 2 Swings will be with her scythe, then 2 more swings with her Katana, followed by a Barrage with her Umbrella. She would then Backflip and shoot her gun. And to finish it off, we have a falling object land on them.

What can I use as that falling object... ideally, something heavy...

A falling object? Use a Barrel or Rolling Crate.

I also think she needs a smoke-poofing GFX on her hand(s) every time she switches weapons for an attack.

Also, a few things you should know:
For some reason, she can't wear badges or bunny hoods; they're destroyed as she picks them up.
The "item get" GFX and sound still appear on rare occasions, but nowhere near as often as they used to.

And now for some other feedback:
So far, Shinda seems like a pretty cool character, with a rather cool focus on aerial combat. Unfortunately, her air attacks can feel a little wonky because her Up Special and Back Aerial have a little more endlag than they feel like they should, which especially throws me off on Back Aerial when using it to get back to the enemy after Up Special.
Another thing: I think Side Special shouldn't send her into helpless if it hits, but should only be usable once when in the air. I also think that the aerial version shouldn't spike enemies, but should instead be followed up by a spin and second hit, allowing her to go right back into comboing the foe. Probably reduce the overall damage dealt, however.

Also, Down Throw might be a little bit overpowered. It does 7 hits for 20% damage if a regular capsule falls on the enemy. If, on the other hand, and explosive capsule falls, that's 8 hits for 45% damage. 20% is a lot for a throw. 45% is a lot for any attack.

1). I would go for the crate. To make it reference more of Shinda's Story, it should be something you would find in a theater. Her Down Special is called "Stage Fright" for a reason. I simply just chose a light item cause I can't really add new projectiles, and heavy items tend break upon being spawned. In this case for the Final Smash, I want it to be an External GFX.

2). I was thinking more of spinning papers.

3). That's something I can't fix if I want to avoid her Down Special hand glitch.

4). Back Air and Up Special feel fine to me. Unless you can elaborate on it a bit more. As for the Aerial Side Special, I'm gonna have to say no to that cause that wouldn't be how the killer would use it. I can however, change it's trajectory to not spike. I was thinking a 45 degree angle away from her.

If you want to know more about Shinda, I can make explainations.

My problem with Back Aerial is that I try to do the Up Special > Back Aerial > Down Aerial combo, and Back Aerial's endlag takes long enough that I can't hit with Down Aerial because I'll fall past the opponent and miss. I also can't hit them with Forward Aerial or Up Aerial, either due to falling past them before being able to move (Forward Aerial) or due to not getting enough distance for it to connect (Up Aerial).

The only reason I was suggesting a change for aerial Side Special is to enable her to air combo better, because you could immediately follow up with Up Special or Forward Aerial to continue attacking the opponent from the air. 45° (or possibly more like 30 or 20) away from her works too, if you change it so that she doesn't go helpless if it hits. I'm not entirely sure how balanced this would be, but in terms of raw fun value it's cool to have a constant assault that works as long as you don't miss.

Also, are you gonna use that custom GFX you made for GSS's guns for Shinda's as well?

Maybe...

Now that you mentioned it, I'm kinda thinking I should make a combo-centric version of Shinda. Had that idea while playing with her recently. So if I were to make those aerial combos work, wait for that.

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Oh hey, a preview video!

SSBB Hacks - Shinda's New Final Smash (WIP) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlsqMVvtMO8#)

Ha. Is that what happens when you miss?

Yes. I didn't add in the hitbox yet, so as of right now, it'll miss no matter what... lol. In the air, it takes you to the helpless state since the recovery is so good...

So if Shinda can't actually attack with paper, what are you going to use for her new USmash?

And how come she uses paper to summon her weapons, then? Does she write them into existence with her author powers, or something? In that case, using a paper aura to power her up for her FS would still make sense, as would calling it "The Final Battle". She's writing the final confrontation to her story, and powering herself up to match. The damage is just there for the sake of literal metaphors, and to let her own the crap out of things. Not that the new FS isn't gonna be freaking awesome, anyway.

By the way, when her FS hits, I think it would be cool to cover the screen in a whirlwind of paper while secretly shifting the background, then when the scene transition ends, the air is tinted purple and there's paper flying around in the background as she owns people.

Basically what Shinda is, is that she's a Death journalist. She writes down the names of people that died, and then she would write down how they died. Any murder weapons that come up in the entries become her own weapons. If you zoom in on the paper GFX, you can read one of her entries.

That's what that was! Yeah, I couldn't manage to read the whole thing because of all the papers overlapping each other.

I have a snapshot of the entry, right here...

That ending isn't gruesome at all, nope. /sarcasm

And that explains your earlier comment about her Side Special.

Anyway, back on topic and stuff.... :\

A part of me hopes that was meant to be Sarcastic.

But yes, moving on...

:oshi:

So speaking of on-topic, if you're planning on removing Shinda's paper-based attacks, what are you going to do about Up Smash? And also on that note, I find Neutral Aerial's hitbox a little wonky. Can never quite figure it out. I always find myself expecting the hitbox to be where the paper is, but it's not, it's on her hands.

I'm not sure if I'm gonna change them.

I'm having Article Related Issues. They would Crash the game. The Gun crashes instantly while the Umbrella Crashes when it changes the Animation.

Probably due to the increase in Filesize.

New FS increases filesize too much?

Ugh, speaking of filesize... I'm trying to do some PSA work of my own (editing someone else's PSA so it actually works properly), but they've used so many Subroutine references that I can't add anything easily without all the Subroutines getting screwed up. Some of them reference places I can't even find the associated Subaction for! Can't fix the FS so it doesn't glitch on Skyworld without adding at least 12 lines of code, which screws up every single Subroutine in the whole PSA.

Sorry, this isn't the place for such ranting... :\

So I've stumbled into this.


Basically it's a version of Gunslinger Samus that is later than the demo link I have right now. It includes Both Guns Animated and Retextured. As well as the Gunshot GFX and New Final Smash! It's basically GSS Finished but without working Grabs. I hope you guys are happy...

I wouldn't insert the scn0 file though...

Are your grabs fixable? Cuz you once said that in a backup of GSS, they werent working anymore...
Still a cool PSA though!

Yes, they aren't working anymore. I'd have to redo the PSA part if I want it to be working again...

Also, it has come to my attention that the PSA will work without the Samus Files. Which should be a really good plus for those Samus Players.

It is... Looking forward to use it when ill get back!!

If somebody could fix the grabs that'd be great! This PSA was more of a pain to me than I thought... I want to stay away from it for now...

Now I have other projects to work on...

True... I didn't make a lot of progress either... Side B is really complex to work with... Which move (FS and grabs apart) was the worse to mess with?

I cannot wait to test this out! Will get back to you about it tomorrow after work, bed time now. Can't wait, so looking forward to try it :D

FS wasn't really much of a hassle. Dealing with the Size Problem was though, but Grabs are up there on my list...

Grabs should hopefully be easily fixable once Ikarus v1 enters the scene. Until then, thank you for this!

How badly are grabs broken, though? Do they just do what they did before, or is it worse than that?

So true!

She can grab enemies just fine. But she won't be able to pummel or throw. She'll be frozen on the spot. And yes, I hope Ikarus can solve this problem!

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In an attempt to fix her grabs, I found that GSS has 2 extra SubRoutines, which kinda messed up the order her SubRoutines went... If I can somehow fix this, I should have her grab perfectly.

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Confirmed: Ikarus can fix GSS' grabs.

So, we'll see a v1 whenever that comes out.

Also, minor edit. Gunshot GFX are fixed and smaller. They look less like blocks and more like thin lines.

That's terrific news!

You seem to have discovered already that the gunshots looks like big lazer lines compared to the normal shots, so that's good.

She didn't freeze my game, but she did go into T-pose a few times, but I guess it's because I am using the Dark samus psa.
When using dark samus and her, dark samus will not use a lot of his own moves, but instead do the normal attacks samus already uses. When he uses his FS he will turn into Gunslinger samus even if he wouldn't normally change upon using his FS. Quite strange.
I figured if it was a size issue that the game would just freeze, wouldn't it?

I like that you will be able to fix her grabs eventually, and her play style is quite fast and furious, but seems to be balanced enough for any game :)
Her side special is really hard to connect with though..

The bullet casings that rain down as she shoots is pretty awesome, though I'd like to see them at least half the size they are right now.

I did change the size of them. I can make them even smaller if I have to...

I'll be streaming so I can make balancing checks with GSS. Feel free to join in and leave your thoughts...

ABloodyCanadian on USTREAM: . Wii (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/abloodycanadian#)

Well that failed... lol...

If the grabs are still causing problems you get rid of the grabs like the tales of symphonia Emil PSA and some of Jrush64's PSA's.

What I mean is instead of doing a grab at all pressing that button would have GSS do something like throw a grenade, or heal, or backflip dodge at high speed some kind of special ability just trying to help you in getting around the grab problem.

Unrelated I really like Shinda's attack style.

Here's something...

Gunslinger Samus v0.9 PSA Working With Normal Samus (Sort of) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V05GPx1uLdY#)

Proof that you can load Normal Samus with this PSA!

Hmmm... Aside the freeze when Samus switch to ZSS, it works... Maybe you should add in the GSS pack the Non-transform Samus...

I've been using the hinata PSA over Samus. Needs nerfing, but it works without issues.

Your avy is distracting... lol

On Topic! I plan on doing something with that.



Had a balancing session with a friend of mine who plays competitive smash, and he's honestly not really sure about it yet. We know it needs some nerfing, but we don't know by how much. N Special is abusable, but without it, she'll have a hard time switching guns.

Gunslinger Samus v0.9 PSA Online Gameplay w/ ABloodyCanadian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0E5V9jke5s#)

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that I'll be Re Animating some of her attacks, and changing some of them altogether in V1.

Uh, I think he was talking about the Hinata PSA needing nerfing.

A few things on GSS, though:

I've occasionally gotten freezes using Up Special (both versions) and Forward Smash (handgun form only). Though, theoretically those could be related to the texture I'm using. (I took that Black Heart texture from the Vault and replaced the gun texture and animations with the ones in your pack. I'm still using your Degraded Samus, because otherwise the texture would be too big and it would freeze. Replacing the gun texture and animations actually decreased the .pcs's filesize, however.)

Neutral Special seems to be less broken than it was in the previous release. I can't combo people off the edge with it anymore. It's actually a fairly solid move at this point.

I still think her normal attacks, especially Up Tilt, could use more reach, but on a more important note:
Her grounded Final Smash tends to partly miss even if the first hit connects. I would personally advise simply cheating through that by having the hitboxes on it be much bigger than they should logically be. You know that big flip she does over the target's head? Try expanding the hitboxes to occupy the entire area traced by the flip's arc.

Secondly, the grenade she uses to launch the foe at the end should do at least 18%. Why that much? Because that's how much her Up Taunt does, and because her grounded Final Smash is a little weak on damage and launch power.

And another thing: For a character supposedly based on acrobatic flips, her rolling dodges are ridiculously bad. Forward and backward roll are slow, like, Link levels of slow, and have next to no intangibility on them. Here's a tip: If a character can't use a rolling dodge to dodge through the fire columns on the SSE stage "The Path to the Ruins", no matter what spacing you use, their dodge sucks. Even Link can do that if you're careful with your spacing.

Otherwise, very fun PSA.

Things to take note of for V1.. that's good...

Also, about the crashing, I've had experiences with that too. Though I found that it crashes if you mash the buttons... lol. So safe tip, don't mash. I'm guessing it's article related, but I have no way of telling...

Both times Up Special has crashed, it's been on the same part of the animation: right before the first shot is fired. Forward Smash, however, crashed on two different spots, though both were during the attack's endlag.

the Gunslinger Samus psa is awesome you did a really good job on it i had no problems with it at all

I feel like I should show off what the Win2 Animation would look like if the scn0 file was working...


Any thoughts?

I hope I can get this to work...

yes that looks really good as a win

That does look pretty darn cool.

Really cool dude! Hope it works!

Alrighty, so I have a somewhat odd request:

Next time you do a release of GSS, could you include a version that has voice clips on Up Taunt, Side Taunt, all Wins, and on the Final Smash (right away on aerial FS, after the last gunshot barrage and before the grenade on ground FS)? I'd add those things myself, but you know how BrawlBox is, and of course I'm worried about ruining Subroutine references.

Mostly this is just because I want to replace them with other clips. There's a Michelle Ruff 4 ZSS thing on the Vault that would work really well for the character hacks I'm using.
"BEGONE!" *Blows enemy up with grenade*

You can add in those things yourself, can you? I'm pretty sure you can, assuming Ikarus is safe enough to use.

I also want to point out that I have already finished animating her new Jab. It's not as oddly animated, and it looks cooler. I'll update this post with pics when I get the time. I'll be giving the same treatment to any other attacks I'm not pleased with.

I'm more worried about mucking up the Subroutine references. I know I've been having that sort of problem in my own PSA work. But then, that might just be because Smash Attacks is too stupid to correct those automatically.

About her jab: Does it increase the size of the FitMotion? If so, you'll have to redo it until it's smaller.

P.S. Who is that person in your avi? Whoever she is, she needs to get a longer skirt.

No, it decreased in filesize. The three animations are shorter than the normal ones, so that's a thing. But then again, I already set the animations I want to change to 1 frame already, so that's also a thing...

Currently in my Avy is Gasai Yuno from Mirai Nikki/Future Diary.

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New Jab...


Yes, she'll be moving backwards the entire time...

Moving backwards for the whole jab? I hope there's enough range on it for the whole combo to hit, then. Will it multihit on the Machine Gun version?

Both guns will multi hit. Also, Range isn't too much of an issue for I'm planning the hitbox to move the opponent backwards when hit. Of course it'll end off with them flying forward of course.

So I decided to redo the FitSZerosuit.pac file, and I must say, It might not take as long as I thought...

This moveset with Noel Vermillion's model is crazy accurate. I'm excited to see the final outcome.

I can't seem to get any of these wicked awesome psa's to work :/

can someone send me their private folder so i can see what I did wrong?

You're the guy on youtube, right? I'm sorry if I'm wrong...

If you're using Riivolution, you would need to put the FitMotionEtc.pac files in a common_en.pac folder. Then you would need to put that file in pf/system.

OMG! I had a PSA Editable version of the PAC File hiding under the radar! I guess it won't be as bad as I thought. Though idk at which state it's at... Looking at the file over, I feel like it's better for me to restart because the Gun Changing system works better if I did.

I make no sense... lol

(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee479/326and966/wtfamidoing_zps21a999ea.png)

Like this?

Depending on what xml you're using for Riivo, you may have to remove the _en from the file name.

I'm using the Beyond xml riivo, but then again, it doesnt make any difference

Well, with whatever I'm using, I still keep the _en at the end. But yeah, all you do is open common_en.pac in BrawlBox, then click on Zelda's MotionEtc in the file. and hit "replace", then select the Fitmotion you wanna replace it with. If that's not working, I have no idea what's up.

well, yeah i did that. and it doesnt work :/

which is why i was asking earlier for any .gct or private folders so i can use as reference.

I dunno what's wrong, then. Your setup looks fine to me. I wonder if the cause might somehow relate to Windows being set not to show file extensions? Doesn't really make sense, but then, Windows frequently doesn't.

I should say some things that'll be changed and altered for v1 Release.

I'll make a preview video on the yellow points.

...Doesn't that mean it's the ground special, though?

Well, it lets you switch guns faster because you don't have to wait until you land to start your Down Special.

How many times have I been tricked by this...

Oh, and by the way, I've found a few glitches:
1. When using grounded Side Special in SSE, particularly on large enemies such as Giant Goombas, occasionally she'll just freeze-frame and start floating up into the sky until she dies off the top boundary.
2. If she ends up on the ground when the grenade of her aerial Final Smash connects (via sloped platforms or whatever), she'll chain into her ground FS as if she'd hit with the initiating grenade throw.
3. Once, I walked to the edge of the moving platform on Smashville (so that she did her "about to fall off" animation), then somehow walked past the edge and stood on air with one foot still on the platform. Then the game froze.
4. If landing during aerial Side Special (thanks to a sloped platform or whatever) and using the grounded version's follow-up attack, she'll go into landing lag (like after aerial Neutral Special) when the attack completes.

And now on more of a user-feedback note, her grounded Final Smash could really use some significant Time Manipulation on the initiating hit. Even a level 4 CPU can reliably dodge it, since there is a huge window of opportunity to dodge out of the way after she's committed to the attack.

That's really interesting. I'm gonna blame BrawlBox on some of these points cause it really messes up things that normal characters would do anyway... That, and I should learn to use Pass Frames.

It'll take a while before I get back into PSA Hacking for I'm busy with other stuff being in Post Secondary and all...

So I'm curious about something:
The voice clips used in GSS's Final Smash. Are those just the standard "random attack voice clip" code? If not, which specific voice clips are they? I want to know so I can change them to other voice clips by rearranging 'em in BrawlBox.

But yeah, I'm inclined to blame BrawlBox for #3 on that list. #1 I think is an issue with the transition to the follow-up attack, as I hadn't finished moving past the Giant Goomba when I activated it. I should note that I was also on a sloped platform. (The rafting section on The Lake.) Also, I had directional control as I was floating away.

Oh yeah, also got a freeze when hitting Giga Bowser with aerial Side Special's follow-up attack. Giga Bowser was jumping, in case it matters for whatever reason.

They are just random voice clips with the Low Voice Clip Event

This PSA seems to crash on Random Moments it seems... I'm guessing some of them are Article Related cause for some odd reason, it might be recalling an Article that's already existent. But I'm pretty sure I left no leaks... I had this for the following setup...

If: Article Does not Exist
   Generate Article
End If

@FS: That's inconvenient. I was hoping to go for "That's an attack?!" followed by "Take THIS!". I'm actually sorta wishing she had multiple choices for specific voice clips for moves like Up Special or aerial Side Special. I have voice clips of "Take that!" and "Take THIS!" which, while cool on occasion, get really irritating when repeated every time the move is executed.

I think the crash when attacking Giga Bowser might have something to do with his Super Armour. But one thing you should watch out for: Her Superspicy Curry idle has her wielding a machine gun in her left hand, and a handgun in her right. Maybe something like this is causing the occasional freezes?

P.S. (warning, thoroughly off-topic)

Other animations have her wield different guns. And it's only calling the Animations. The two guns aren't separate Articles.

Oh yeah, that's right. Derp.

you know, I finally got these to work and I was shocked to know why they didn't work before.

So apparently beyond's XML code didnt have the common_en.pac in it so yeah. that shocked me right there.

I finally got to enjoy these cool hacks and boy, Gunslinger samus is the favorite between my gaming club.

After a failed attempt for making a new one, I tried editing the Backup, and I must say, it's pretty close to what 0.9 contained. Only difference is that there was only 1 Gun, and the Gun Change System did not affect the Animations. This'll be alot easier than I thought... The biggest difference however is the Final Smash. The PSA Coding is still the old one...

As far as progress goes, I managed to make the Aerial Down Special work out.

What do you mean by : "The Gun Change System did not affect the Animations."
Do you mean it didn't do the animation that it's supposed to do?

How the guns look from Machine Gun to Handgun is simply just an Animation change. When I say that, the guns don't look different when you switch.

Progress for v1.0 has begun. I may ask some people for Balancing Checks...

SSBB Hacks - Gunslinger Samus v1.0 Progress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXyqHWPz_FI#)

That looks totally badass! I am eagerly following your progress, and I hope that you won't stumble into corruption problems and the like..those are always such a bummer. Do you think that gunslinger will have her filesize reduced on version 1 compared to the other versions? And if not, would it even be possible to port her onto someone that has one of those really nice perfect rel ports available?

A true port over zelda would have been awesome :P That would be the first working psa that could work with the spiderman psa. I'm guessing it's a lot of work, but I'm just putting the idea out there. I also see you reduced the shells and I must say that it looks really nice. It's pretty sweet eye-candy, that little detail.
The animations looks very solid in that vid, me gusta  :af2:

Lol, if you want a Zelda PSA that works with Spiderman, use Scarlet Fighter Zelda... A lot of people said that they both works...

Oh! yes, I forgot about that, thanks :)

No problem

v0.9 was low enough for me to have both Samus and GSS playable. I even have a video uploaded as proof.

yes, that's true, Samus would work. But, thing is that I want to be able to use a psa and not samus :P Like Dark samus for example, just like I want to use this psa and not the normal zero suit samus :)

I think someone said that Dark Samus worked with this... But not sure though...


Like I said on my comment, maybe you should add a bit more damages at the Attack13, but increase the range of the Attack11...
Sorry if you already mention it, but did you switch the guns at 1:02 to 1:04?

No. If it didn't play the sound, you don't change guns.

Looking at it now, I personally prefer the current jab combo. The animation looks sort of awkward on the new one, as is the part where it pulls foes back with you. That, and it moves you backwards more than the current one does, requiring a ton more space to not have enemies be sent past you and attack you from behind.

Problem with that is that the Handgun Version has an infinite... And I thought the old one was animated Awkwardly...

The handgun has a jab infinite? Really? I mostly just use it because it has an amazing KB angle and is great for scoring KOs at over 170%.

You could repeatedly do the 1st 2 jabs, then get back onto the 1st, and go in an infinite loop. Even Brawl's Training mode counts it as a Legit Combo.

Couldn't you fix that by changing the timing for how long you have to input the 3rd jab? Or is that not possible?

If I set the variable at a later time, it might not read, and therefore, not be able to go to the 3rd Jab.

See, what I was suggesting is that you slightly extend the time frame during which the third jab can be used, thus preventing the jab reset from creating a true combo.

If I set it any farther back though, the game might not read it, making the player not do the 3rd Jab. For some reason, the Variable will not be read after a certain period of time.

That... just plain sucks. Seriously, how irritating is that? It would be the easiest fix, too, to make it so that they have to wait just a little longer before they can use the first jab hit again...

I could trim down the animation, but not all animations look good trimmed down.

What do you mean, "trim down"? I'm not sure that would help. The issue is that they can go back into the first jab too quickly. So either you need to directly increase the endlag of the second jab (so that it can't combo into the first, but hopefully can still be interrupted by the third), or move the hits of the second jab earlier into the animation.

Now that I think about it, there are 2 variables. I could try to bring the 2nd one a bit back. But idk if it has the same effect as the 1st. By doing that, you could go into the 3rd Jab if pressed a bit later...

Still, I think the animation in the 1st one is a bit odd, and I'm not that much proud of it looking at it now. Which was why I made a new one.

Yeah, that's the idea. Make the third jab window longer, thus making the A>AA>A>AA combo impossible, because either the timing is too early and you go into the third jab, or it's too late and you reset the combo.

Yeah, the first jab is a little off since she does it on only one foot, but at the same time it looks better to me than the new one does, and it works better in terms of overall utility. That plus, the new jab doesn't register a combo, from what I can see.

Machine Gun from the old one doesn't register a combo. This new one does most of the time.

Huh, you're right, so it doesn't. I'd never noticed... That means that the third jab from it does 11-17 hits by itself! That's a lot!

But then again, Brawl + Combos don't work so... eh...

Training's combo broke the day I used hacks xD
And with your GSS, well... I don't even wanna tell you :laugh:

My current beta of Kari the Lucario begs to differ. Give her a foe with sufficient damage (around 50-65%) and a wall, and she can jab combo > Neutral Aerial for a 4 hit combo. Or, with proper timing she can make jab > jab > Up Tilt into a 4 hit combo. Granted, it's only 4 hits, but still.

Edit: Actually, she can hit you with a nine hit wall combo via jab x3 > jump > Neutral Special. Of course, that's because aerial Neutral Special deals 6 hits by itself...

And at least with GSS's jab combo, the second jab ends with the foe in the air, and the third jab is quick enough that they can't air-dodge.

Added a Poll... I'm just curious...

New one... Though, the old one wasn't bad at all, I think I like this new one...

Oh my god that Shiki, OH MY GAWD THAT SHIKI!! I must try it out once its complete! Or released! Whatever I WANT it in my roster!! Kudos!

Another Poll. I'll use the poll feature to get feedback on the PSA, and to help out with balancing. Though it would be nice to explain your reasons.

Onto a different Topic, Shinda's character development grew a little, and I have confirmed that a new weapon of hers will be a whip. I'll try to use this over the moves that has her calling paper, as well as use this for her grab since her down throw could be considered a bit overpowered in terms of damage. Supposedly, Shinda should have 1 more weapon but I haven't decided on that yet.

I would say too short for the machine gun because it's not really a killing move and it should hit farther...
But the handgun one is fine... If it was longer, it would be OP

The machine gun version's Neutral Special would be OP with its current endlag if the range was any greater. Though, it could use a bit more range, especially the aerial version. Right now, GSS has a terrible time trying to get the Smash Ball.

You seem to base this off casual play. It's not bad I guess, but I would like some feedback on competitive play.

Competitive feedback? Well, I can say that GSS's playstyle encourages constant attacking, at least when using her machine gun. If you stop, you'll get whacked. If you miss, you'll get whacked. Fortunately, hitting isn't that hard. When playing GSS, I have the highest hit percentage of any character I play as, frequently around 65-75%. (Most characters I get less than 50%, sometimes as low as 30%.)

My personal favourite chain with GSS when using her Machine Gun is: Up Tilt > Down Aerial > Down Smash > Forward Smash > Neutral Special. Unfortunately, with its shortish range Neutral Special adds only 2 or 3% damage when used at the end like that.

And of course, I realise that that chain is very escapable in multiple places, especially by characters with good jump height and smallish hurtboxes. (AKA not KJP's Dark Lord Ganon, who is my primary target with GSS.) However, the CPU opponent frequently tries to jump out of Down Smash > Forward Smash, only for the edge of Forward Smash to drag him back in. I haven't had a chance to test v0.9 of GSS against a real human opponent yet, due to not having enough friends.

And I should mention that I basically can't take on a level 9 Dark Lord Ganon, because his Forward Aerial KOs at about 80%, his Up Aerial KOs at about 95%, his Up Smash KOs at 75%, Forward Smash (normal mode) KOs at 70%, Up Special (normal mode)'s little darkness upper at the tip KOs at 55%, Down Special (normal mode) KOs at 95%, Down Smash (sword mode) KOs at 90%, Down Smash (normal mode) KOs at 75%, Neutral Special (normal mode) KOs at 35% and throws out a partly charged Super Scope shot that KOs at 115%, Back Aerial KOs at 120%, Down Aerial KOs at 85% if GSS is on the ground, etc. At around 75%, I have to play super defensively because most of his moves can KO me if I'm in a bad location when they hit.

I see that you like to play agains Dark Lord Ganon... Try against a character like Cancellation Fox made by Kienamaru, you'll see that the range of the NB isn't really useful since that you cannot play safe...

Oh yeah, regarding my preferred attack chain, I find it sometimes useful to swap the locations of Down Smash and Forward Smash, for example if the opponent is still in the air because of Down Aerial connecting fully, they'll escape if I try to Down Smash, but Forward Smash's wide vertical reach will pull them in. Of course, that makes it so only the second part of Down Smash connects, but oh well.

And yeah, she really does have difficulty playing it safe, so your best bet is really just to throw up a wall of constant hitboxes everywhere. Hence what I said, "constant attacking. If you stop, you'll get whacked". Her other problem with playing it safe, aside from machine gun mode's Neutral Special having bad range, is that her rolling dodges suck. A lot.

That said, I personally rather like handgun mode's Up Special for evasion, as well. Decent KB and intangibility at the beginning. Handgun mode's grounded Side Special is pretty good, too. Has a lot of KB perfectly horizontally.It's really good when your foe's pushed you all the way to the edge of a walk-off stage, then when they go to attack again, SideB lets you dodge right past them and hit them from behind with enough knockback for a KO.

I too agree that she is a constant attacker and is vulnerable if caught of guard.
However, I think that suits her very well and that makes for intense matches, it's very fun having her with use when me and my friends brawl it out for sure. Sometimes I completely own all of them..but then in the second match they would manage to juggle me XD 
one of her greatest weaknesses in my mind is her down air. I think the range should be about that of neutral B, only aimed downwards to make use of her constant attacks. This is where I usually got caught of guard because the range is so terrible I would miss most of the time with that move and then once my opponents got going I couldn't really escape the barrage of attacks aimed at me. GSS is a light and quick character with pretty good range and a very intense playstyle, but her down air really could need some more range.

Also her side special in air, the one where you will "catch" an opponent and then spin around to shoot at them, but then go into free fall afterwards. I feel it should be slightly easier to hit with, or not have free fall, as it's pretty hard to hit with and a player would usually not use that since the gain isn't really worth it if he misses and gets into free fall, making her so very vulnerable

To be quite honest with you guys, I didn't really know what GSS's playstyle would be when I made the PSA. I simply had Resonance of Fate in mind, and incorporated some of that to the moveset. Even the gun changing system. But then I recently came up with something that may change up the PSA a bit. I recently have this idea of her playstyle being something along the lines of "Keep Moving, or you're screwed." The thing that made me realize that is the fact that in Resonance of Fate, you're invincible while using the Hero Gauge, or performing a Tri-Attack. They kept moving until they reach a certain point, and won't get attacked until after the attack finishes.

Well, that's my idea.

She already plays like that. Personally, I find that yeah, Down Aerial is a little short on range, though it's better than it was in the beta. Fortunately, Up Tilt has a lot more horizontal range than it looks like it does, so if you can get in close enough for that, you're good to go.

As I mentioned before, Up Tilt links very well into either Neutral Aerial (at higher percents) or Down Aerial (at lower percents), and Down Aerial has just enough hitstun and floats the enemy just enough to link very well into Forward Smash (don't fast-fall during the attack, instead fast-fall as soon as the last hitbox ends. Actually, fast-falling is almost completely unnecessary, but if you do it you can catch the enemy in Forward Smash earlier), since Forward Smash has a lot of vertical range and will pull the foe down right into it. And Down Smash very helpfully moves her forward midway through, so the second part chains fairly nicely out of Forward Smash, which has a little bit of KB at the end. And hitting the foe with Forward Smash out of Down Aerial leaves the foe in the air for the entire move, meaning if they already used their double jump to try (and fail) to escape from Down Aerial > Forward Smash, they cannot escape from Forward Smash > Down Smash unless they are a seriously fast-falling character.

In fact, now that I remember, if you catch the foe early enough with Forward Smash, the last hit will pull them straight into the first part of Down Smash, at which point Neutral Special afterwards is inescapable, though it still only deals a pathetic 3%. So the moral here is that yeah, Neutral Special needs more range.

Another chain that actually works fairly well if you have the timing to pull it off: Up Tilt > Neutral Aerial (start this move early in the jump so you use it while still ascending) > midair jump > Forward Aerial (wait until you're almost at the peak of the second jump). I think from there it would actually be possible to follow up with Side Special and then either Neutral, Up, or Forward Aerial, but I can't get the timing down on the first chain for that to work.

I'd like to get video footage of that... lol.

What? Up Tilt > Down Aerial > Forward Smash > Down Smash > Neutral Special?

I'd gladly oblige, but unfortunately I don't have a capture card.

Of course, that second chain I mentioned (Up Tilt > Neutral Aerial > midair jump > Forward Aerial) is actually VERY escapable, possibly even if executed with frame-perfect precision, because Neutral Aerial > midair jump > Forward Aerial leaves the foe plenty of time to air dodge, and because it depends on the foe's DI. The problem is that Neutral Aerial has just enough KB that if they DI horizontally, Side Special doesn't get you enough range.

Also, you know what move I think could stand to have a wider hitbox? Forward Aerial in machine gun mode. Actually, the handgun version of Forward Aerial needs some adjustment (in terms of either KB strength/direction or hitbox size/shape) as well, as the last hit often misses. I daresay the last hit could use more KB growth, too. I keep finding myself wishing I had a forward-firing aerial kill move. Machine gun back aerial has issues too, since it's hard to get the whole move to connect, and wasted hits are a very bad things as GSS.

The Machinegun Back Air is something I'm considering having a new animation. And I have no problems with the current Forward Air, but I can adjust a few things for the Handgun version. I can miss with that move also.

You know something else I think GSS would really benefit from? Slightly less ground traction. I keep wanting to do sliding Up Smashes to start combos, but they don't really work because she doesn't slide enough, which also makes them look slightly... off. Also, machine gun mode's Up Smash could stand to be cancellable into a jump right before she turns around. I'm thinking dash > Up Smash > Forward Aerial would be a really nice combo. Well, not actually a true combo, but you get my meaning.

I'm not gonna abuse Interrupt Events. Like I said, I want her to have a constant movement playstyle. Having Interrupt Events so she can do combos is something I don't plan on doing. That's what Blade Prince Marth is for... when I get on working on that...

Even if it's not a jump interrupt and just a general issue of IASA frames, her Up Smash could still use the boost. It really isn't that useful as is. And what I said about reducing traction so she can slide with it still applies regardless of interrupt/no interrupt.

I guess I could give her some sliding. But I don't see the need for the interrupt in the Up Smash. Or maybe it's the fact that I don't understand the problem.

The machine gun is entirely based on damage-building. That's what it does. Therefore, if you're gonna use the machine gun, you're going to want to be able to chain attacks together. The issue is that Up Smash has slightly too much launch power and leaves her turned around, so if you try to follow up you're stuck using her rather mediocre Back Aerial (granted, that move is about to be on the chopping block, so this might be something of a moot point), and you more than likely won't hit with all of it, either! And I'm not sure exactly why, but somehow landing Up Aerial after it is really difficult as well. I think because the endlag is long enough that the foe can simply fall far enough away from you that your jump doesn't reach.

That, and the fact that it can't be used while sliding makes it not terribly useful as an approach move either, and it doesn't move her forward, so it doesn't really have much of a place in a ground-based chain. (I haven't tried using it in place of Down Smash in my Up Tilt > Down Aerial > Forward Smash > Down Smash chain, though. But I suspect it doesn't really have enough range for that, or that if it does it won't hit well enough to drag the foe up with it like it's supposed to.) The reason I suggested a jump interrupt is so the player could jump after the foe while they're still on their way up from the knockback, and follow up with Forward Aerial or Neutral Aerial.

Essentially, the problem with the machine gun's Up Smash is that it's an attack that doesn't really follow well out of any other move, doesn't lead well into any other move, and doesn't work very well as an approach, unlike Forward Smash and Down Smash which both cover her in hitboxes while moving her forward.

But is Up Smash really supposed to chain into any attacks? Now that I have a general idea about GSS's playstyle, I need to change a few things. She can still have some combos, but I want her to focus more on moving around.

I'll take it into consideration though...

The issue isn't just the lack of a chain, though. As I said, it doesn't really work as an approach. It's also horribly punishable if the foe shields/dodges it, as they only have to shield/avoid the first three hits before the rest of it is just her sitting wide open, and it has the amazing quality of launching the foe just high enough for her to eat Dark Lord Ganon's or Captain Falcon's Down Aerial, or really any descending Aerial or Special, before she can recover. Though, it's highly probable I could just shield the returning Down Aerial. (I should get more in the habit of using my shield, I'm far too dodge-happy.) But is that really a situation GSS wants to be in?

And actually, the coolest part about her playstyle is how she just moves anyway, just in the process of launching attack chains or just plain old fighting, almost every attack has applications both for offence and mobility, as well as actually some decent defensive properties despite her light weight. Down Smash could probably work for dodging projectiles, and is great for simply getting under a foe's guard with the second part, for instance, while Forward Smash covers her in hitboxes while moving forward and is great for clanking with weaker attacks launched by foes.

Now you say something that has me thinking... lol. Add more knockback, problem solved. Still punishable, but it's a smash attack.

Oh yeah, sorry, left an edit right after you posted. Stuff to do with your comment on a more mobility-based playstyle.

I still think that along with a knockback buff, Up Smash really does need just a little bit more slide. That combination actually gives it a very good use as a more defensively-minded move. Sorta like rushing in for the sole purpose of hitting the foe with Beast in Tales of Symphonia, if you've ever played that game. =D

Nope. But I think I have the idea...

I decided to go and give GSS's Aerial moves unique animations based on guns. Meaning that her Down Air will have a different animation, and will most likely work differently. Neutral Air for the most part won't be changed...

I'm just curious if any of you would be interested in playtesting the PSA in it's current developmental state. I can post a DropBox Link that'll be updated as time goes on.

Playtesting stuffs is basically always cool.

As an aside, that Up Tilt > Down Aerial > Forward Smash > Down Smash chain isn't as reliable as I remember it being. I just ran some more tests with it. But, it's still quite useful and quite fun, and hard to counter if your name isn't Meta Knight. (That 2-frame Up Aerial is ridiculous.)

And now for some feedback regarding animations in v0.9. Side Tilt. Her back leg, with her foot planted on the ground and her knee pointed up, looks sort of messed up. Might I recommend turning her leg sideways, so that she uses the inside edge of her foot to balance herself? Also, her eyes look the wrong way during that move. As in, she looks AWAY from her opponent for some reason.

And you know how you said that your scn0 for GSS's victory didn't work, right? Did you name your STGRESULT.pac properly? If you're using Riivolution, it's STGRESULT_en.pac. I haven't tried inserting the scn0 myself, though...

Nope. Gecko here. When I say it didn't work, I meant that I can see stretched out Polygons Everywhere when that Victory Animation plays. I made a Help topic on it, but no solution was found.

Huh. Odd, that.

So the stretched polygons glitch can be caused by the camera as well as the animation itself? Good to know...

But yeah, I eventually gave up and started using Riivo because I wanted voice hacks.

Any thoughts on my animation advice?

I did stuff to it... lol. Her right leg now rests on the ground instead of just her foot.

As far as progress goes, I made new animations to some of the attacks, and have ideas for others as well. List includes...

Dodging Animations
Jab (You've seen it already)
Machinegun Back Air
Machinegun Up Air
Handgun Down Air
Ground Machinegun and Aerial Neutral Special

Moar Polls... This one is about the Side Special. It would be nice to know how I can fix it if you do have problems.

I didn't really understand how does the aerial Side B works... Can you explain me, please?

By itself, it's a forward dash that has invulnerability frames. It can only be done once in the air, and allows you to run if on the ground. Press the Attack Button during the dash, and you'll be able to attack. On the ground, it's a multi hitting reversal attack. In the air, it's a kick that chains into another attack if it hits.

Hmm... 'Kay. I'll keep that in mind...

Oh yeah, something weird I noticed about GSS:

Her initial run speed is somehow faster than her maximum run speed. That is, she runs slower after turning or using SideB than when she starts from a dash.

Also figured out why I thought her rolling dodges sucked: The intangibility frames both start and end way earlier than I expect them to be.

I made the Animation Shorter, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. As for the stats, as much as it sounds weird, I would like to keep it like that. It would encourage the player to use other ways of mobility to keep her out of harms way. Like, she has reversal attacks and invulnerability frames to support this.

Yeah, but her air maneuverability isn't really that great, and her dodges as of V0.9 aren't great for movement, so her run is sort of important. Anyway, it's not a big issue, but it seems a little odd. Also, her run animation looks weird at that lower speed. Granted, it looks a little odd anyway, but...
And speaking of air maneuverability, her Up Special could use a little more left-right control, I think. And possibly also the ability to fast-fall during the attack. Especially if its main purpose is going to be dodge-and-counter with those intangibility frames.

Also, her rolling dodge actually isn't bad. It's great for dodge-and-counter tactics. It's just not a good method of moving around, and it forces me to react later than I normally do.

Now that I notice it during normal gameplay, She should be able to fall faster, and execute the attack much quicker if it was going to be a counter attack. Though I also want to consider how much space it takes up at the moment. It's really good for keeping recovering characters off.

I noticed that people are picking one, but they aren't telling me how I can improve upon it...

I don't really think the Up Special needs to have its attack come out all that much quicker, but I DO think it could use a little more left-right maneuverability, and the ability to fast-fall during the jump.

As far as aerial Side Special goes, I still think that the best things to do with that move are to remove the helpless fall if it hits, and to let her momentum and gravity continue as the initiating hit goes off, instead of stopping instantly in midair to use it. I will say that the current version of the move is much easier to hit with and more useful for recovery than it was in the previous beta. Only thing is, it's easy enough to hit with that I keep mistakenly using it as a pursuit move on foes I've already knocked back (items are on, obviously. Otherwise, she can't actually knock anyone back without sending them too far), which tends to result in me ending up in helpless fall over the edge of the stage. Stupid mistake on my part, I know.

I think I can add in Ike's Up Special Variable to achieve that left and right movability. As for the Fast Fall, I don't know if I can do that. But I can make her fall faster during the animation. She falls too slowly during that move anyway.

I dunno, I think if she fell any faster she'd land before the attack finished going off normally. The idea was to be able to manipulate her height to use Up Special to drop down behind a foe who is below you.

2 Week break is on. I have more time to work on things now. I'll say this right now, that some of her aerial moves will work differently because I gave her Machinegun and Handgun Animations for her aerials. I'm also Re-Animating her NSpecial, and Various Dodge Moves.

Now with the development of SFX Hacks, maybe I can do SFX Hacks to make Gunshot Sounds.

Dude, I LOVE this PSA. I din't try it a while back because I was intimidated by all the files. lol But today I tried it and I'm SOOO glad I did. Made a video. Hope you like it. :)

SSB Project M: Gunslinger Samus V0.9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZywJlm3MeM#)

GSS in Project M... how interesting... You sir might have made me a bit more motivated to work on V1.

Yes, there is progress! NSpecial has been toned down cause I felt it was somewhat abusable. Now the Aerial Machinegun does 6% while the Aerial Handgun does 3%. The startup time has been slightly increased too. Ground Handgun NSpecial is still the same, and I have not yet animated a new Ground Machinegun NSpecial yet, so idk how that'll turn out.

That's some good news, man! I wish you good luck!! And I thought about something interesting, but I'll tell you about it later, when I'm done with what I wanted to do... >D ;) That's a surprise!

Playing with some of the current changes. Overall, GSS seems somewhat nerfed from V0.9. I think the main reason is because of her NSpecial. I nerfed it so it does about half the damage V0.9 did. The cooldown is also longer too. So those people who abuse NSpecial may want to learn to not abuse it. There were other changes to some of her attacks too. I don't know how you guys will feel about this one... But I guess I I'll know when you try it...

Awesome! I'll try out V1 when it's released. :) Amazing PSA again. Keep up the good work. Thanks lol

This isn't important but I think it would be cool to see a reload wait animation.. or taunt.. unless it's already there. lol I haven't looked at her wait animations at all. It's just an idea, the thing is awesome as it is, and it's your PSA, you do what you want with it.

I haven't added in any wait animations yet... maybe I should add that on my to do list... lol.

In due time, Conner. lol That's low priority.

I just tried the Final Smash. OMG that was sexy. I never play with the smash ball.. I neglected to try it. xD I should've put it in the video ha ha.

In case you guys missed it, here's some more progress on GSS V1

SSBB Hacks - Gunslinger Samus V1 Progress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npa_ZqTVbFE#)

Thats too badass for words... I'm insanely jealous that I'm making a hack over ZSS now. :/

For some reason until now this thread didn't update til now in the unread reply box.Meh.
Those muzzle flashes are nice, though, lots of attention to detail. Since I have a pretty good idea who this is based off of *Cough*Leanne*Cough* You should make a voicepack as well as some better gunshots!
And I take it the machineguns do more damage but have less knockback and the normal pistols are the opposite? Thats some badace shyt

Nah. It's not just Leanne. It's just RoF in General.

Looks great anyway ;D

Normals, Specials and Grabs have been made! Now I have to fix up the Final Smash, and I'll be able to add in the 2nd Gun again, as well as try to fix the grabs.

Will be posting some Special Access Matches soon, featuring me and this guy (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29291).

Awesome! Now there will finally be a cool character over ZSS :3
Well, until I get around to Seras Victoria atleast...

^This
And I still have to get my Time Alter Samus to work and we'll have 3 PSAs for Zero Suit Samus!

I'm starting to question if you got into PSA Hacking cause of me...

Who knows...?

When I meant "Special Access," I meant, a version of GSS That is not available to anyone else.

SSBB Hacks - Shinda (v1.2) vs Gunslinger Samus (v0.93) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jULviNZxSmE#)

Here's a few WiFi Matches with 2 of my PSAs.

Is that really a WiFi match?! No lag... It's like... You guys have a damn good connexion...

Replays.

Dat technology

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the changes you see so far?

Animations looks better... But I didn't see the Air Side B this time... Or maybe Am I wrong? You also didn't show us the Air Down B in actions. But except these things, GSS rocks!

Side Special hasn't been altered too much when those matches were played, but I recently nerfed it by reducing the damage it deals. I felt like it did too much... Although I should mention that the aerial version slides a bit farther when you press the Attack Button now. Tried doing what Jamie suggested.

I like this a lot.

Though if one uses this hack, you can't use normal Samus anymore correct?

With v0.9, you can. I can probably do the same with V1.0 Just just gotta make sure I keep Backups just in case something Happens.

I have mastered this psa and its very fun to use (I have mastered most of the psas u created because they are different from the others and fun to use) but hmm quick question will her air down b make her able to switch guns? and one thing  I have to ask, certain characters gss wont have a chance with is, falco, Mario, luigi, Zelda, link, toonlink, pit... basically all the characters with long range attacks because when she changes guns it takes her a couple seconds unless the air down b works maybe it might give me a better chance but its quite annoying fighting these particular characters(especially custom psas) because I can never switch my gun in time to get to knock them back, this is just my opinion but if its possible she can keep the same animation but just change the time to a smaller time to switch between the guns idk just a suggestion, other than that the psa is awesome great work, my favorite hack :)

You're behind on the update. V1 will have her actually use her aerial Down Special on one condition. She has to land on the ground before she spins to change her gun.

And different from the others... I wonder why...

You wanted to complicate things, right? ;)
Bah, that gives more challenge to beat long range fighters... But that doesns't mean that they are invincible...

Um...

By having her able to use her Down Special, it gives her more time to change guns. It would be helping her if anything.

Do you mean that you would like to have another down b?

No!

You know how in 0.9, if you use Down Special in the air, and if you land, the move cancels? Well now, you can use it in the air as long as you time it correctly so you land on the ground before you spin. Therefore, you'll be giving yourself more time to change guns.

And it doesn't allow guns switch in the air...

Nope. You'd have to land on the ground before she spins in order for it to work.

OMG I had such a hard time taking her out earlier today!! That damn Fair of Zelda's is LETHAL ha ha ha. I was shooting her in the grill and she'd just short hop and Kick the crap out of me!! I was so Heated! lol I eventually won in Final. xD

You guys should be pleased to know that GSS V1 is on it's Final Stretches! Fixing up some minor bugs, and making sure to save Backups! Also, I'm hopefully able to fix up the grabs as well. If all goes well, I should be able to release it today!

Awesome! I'm looking forward for her! ZSS will finally have her 1st PSA!

@NSpecial nerf: Honestly, 6% isn't much for her NSpecial as is in v0.9. It's far from broken. Sure, it's a decent safe move, but trying to spam it isn't going to get you far against any decent opponent because they'll simply jump over the second activation and hit you with an aerial. Or you can just shield it, since it doesn't have shield damage, then hit her with a dash attack.

So close, yet so far...

The grabs are the only thing that's bothering me right now. And I can't figure out how to get it to work perfectly. Sure, it's still usable, but I'm bothered by how it looks so far. This also prevents her from throwing opponents at low percents... I made a help topic, and I'm hoping somebody gets on that.

Other than the nerfs that I gave GSS, one more thing I changed that was not shown in the newest video was the Entry. She'll no longer jump into the fight... okay, she still will, but now she'll twirl her guns around before she goes into stance. I honestly like this one better over the one you guys have now.

Anything else I can work on is low priority right now. Notably Wait Animations. She has none at the moment... lol.

What is your issue with her throws?

I like throws and I've never really had any issues with PSAing them.

BrawlBox/PSA don't like trying to code throws for characters who normally have an extended grab, such as ZSS's whip and Link's hookshot. And BB also occasionally screws things up when saving, and apparently its preferred target on ZSS is her grabs.

The saving thing I know about all too well... >_>;

So what exactly is the issue? Beyond 'screwing it up' what happens when you try to throw? does she freeze or T-Pose? Does the animation simply end? Beep of Death? Does the thrown character latch onto ZSS? Different things have different solutions.

I didn't have an issue when I was doing Iron Man's (Samus) throws...

I'll go look for that help topic

She goes through the full grab animation, then goes into the grab state, instead of having the animation interrupt into the grab. As a result, at lower percentages the foe can escape before she can pummel or throw.

I finally figured it out! I was pondering as to why is Ridley over ZSS all have their Action Overrides as 87 (In Decimal). It didn't cross my mind that you can change which Action it overrides... yeah... it turned out to be pretty easy...

But that aside, her grabs work perfectly now!

That is some really good news that you brought us here!
And some information for me if I need to make a new grab for my own ZSS PSA...

Another thing that's still gonna bother me is that I can't get the scn0 to work with me... I want her Win2 Animation to look like this...


But apparently BrawlBox refuses to work with me on this...

On another Note, The Filesize the FitSZerosuit.pac file is apparently Identical to Normal ZSS. Meaning that you can place another Samus PSA as if GSS wouldn't do anything.

Really? wow, that is awesome news! If fact, those are superb news! Glad to hear you got her grabs working

Thats good to know in case I run into any issues with Tifa's grabs.

Playing with GSS, Machinegun Down Throw has alot of potential to be considered broken...

By itself, it does 8%, but it leaves the opponent in a Jablocked State. Not to mention that the animation is short enough for you to combo into something else... I've managed to make a combo that deals almost 40% damage. But then again, my dummy was Bowser, so that's a thing. I'll leave it alone for now to see what you guys think. Plus, I think you'll have fun tinkering what you can do with GSS...

I'll be uploading a video soon, and sadly, I only messed with her when I started Rendering the video, so don't expect any combos from me anytime soon.

It doesn't matter how much a a combo does but how easy it is to pull off. Like if it was 3 hits that would be op as hell. but if it requires like 6 different actions thats called skills. Like Im reworking Hidan(Not feelin dat Uchiha vibe) and there was a combo in v1 that could do 80 really fast.That was op but its fixed now so that there is still an 80% combo but it requires 10 different attacks to be chained.IMO atleast the damage doesn't matter as much as how quickly you can execute it.

The issue with an 80% combo is that if it's inescapable, it's still broken. If, however, there's any point at which the combo can be broken with a shield or other normal Brawl ability (DI included), it's not a problem.

The thing is, GSS's Down Throw can be Ukemi'd (Teched as most people would say), since it slams opponents to the ground. Much like G&W's Down throw. Sure, you can do attack strings, but it's not much a combo anymore if the opponent manages to Ukemi out of it.

So essentially, it's fine if you're quick about it. You might still want to be worried about the ease of executing the attack string, though. Possibly have the attack that is normally used as the follow-up reset the foe to standing when it hits, preventing it from being spammed indefinitely. Or depending on how the chain works, put a "reset to standing" on one of the later attacks in the chain. (Pretty sure the whole "reset to standing" thing is done by having enough downward KB on the attack, but not too much or they'll just bounce off the ground.)

Actually it's fine. The Combo Ender would normally be the Neutral Special, at which point, the opponent would be too far to continue the combo. There's also no other moves that make the opponent the same distance relative to where GSS is. The opponent would only get farther and farther until you have to finish it off with Neutral Special. As far as Execution goes, you can go directly into Neutral Special which would automatically end the combo. Or you can add more hits to it by using either Side Tilt, Side Smash, or Down Air. Those are the only attacks that'll keep the opponent in a Jablock State, as well as Neutral Special.

The Near 40% Combo I mentioned goes as follows...

Down Throw>Down Air>Side Smash>Neutral Special

Like the chain I'd been using before. Down Aerial is good for combos! And wait, how much damage does Neutral Special do now? 3%? That's still kinda sad IMO.

With the Machinegun, you'd get 5 on the ground. In the air, between 1-8. Accuracy is a thing...

With the Handgun, 2 on the Ground, and 1-3 in the Air.

Phew! You didn't nerf it as much as you said you were gonna. I was worried the move would end up being completely useless.

Such a difference 2% makes... lol.

If you can Ukemi out of it its fine. Mine was Ukemi-able after 45-50% of it. I dunno if you tried out the finished Hidan but it was Dash Attk>Down Throw>Jump>N-air>Side Tilt.That does like 45% dmg if done correctly. To get the 80%, the opponent has to not roll after the Side Tilt. Then you can do Down B>Side Smash of Death. That makes 80%.
So any un-Ukemi-able combos should'nt go above 40% or so. Longer combos are nice and look cool but should be escape-able.
And the N-S only does 5 overall?
Guess Im used to being OP cause all my N-S(Finished or not) do 12 or more :I

@ABC: It actually does, though. I mean, 3% is pathetic and horrible unless it's a jab hit. 5% is worth using on rare occasions. That plus, depending on exactly what you did to the endlag/startup and what you did to the KB, it could still end up being relatively useless. It already didn't cause quite enough KB to protect her while switching guns as it was, so increasing the endlag without increasing KB seems unnecessary.

Anyway, back to my main problem. Would you guys mind not having a scn0 file in there to properly show GSS's Win2 Animation? I should make a poll...

Eh, it's fine for now. It'll be cool to have, though, so let us know when you get it working!

I'm ok with not having it,



But as far as making the tricks and stuff real in the win animation, I would add it

I am fine withou it

Poll and Posts are contradicting...

That's because the people who are fine without it are posting, and the ones who aren't fine without it aren't posting.

But besides, I think it makes sense to just get the release out there and add the scn0 later if it decides to work. Have you tried asking BlackJax about the problem, yet?

I made a Help Topic a while back. He actually replied, but it didn't go far...

I went to his BrawlBox thread today, and asked.

I tied it. lol The win animation is neat, but I'm cool without it. But I guess I can wait if I have to. ha ha.  :P

I think not including it in the package would be the smarter option. It'll take a while though cause I have to prepare preview videos.

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So here we have it! Gunslinger Samus V1!


Feedback would be appreciated. But as of right now, I have other things to be working on!

44 Pages Dedicated to Gunslinger Samus...

i just got done using it and its awesome nice job

I just watched the preview video for GSS v1.0 (haven't had time to try it yet), and from what I've seen I like the KB on the neutral special. Back Throw looks a little add, though.

Awesome! Looking forward to test her!!

Good Moveset, but the DownA in midair when using the submachine guns doesn't hit anyone, even if it's pointblank.

I might be doing some fixes to GSS soon. For I've been finding flaws that I missed... A V1.05 so to speak. The Jab doesn't fully connect... Also, I'll be posting a video doing a few GSS Tests and Combos.

I like what you've done with her. I often forget when you switch to Handgun mode the down aerial isn't the same lol. I keep getting screwed, but I'm getting used to it. Ha ha.  Kudos on having a Most Popular Hack reach the top. As of this post. :P

SSBB Hacks - Gunslinger Samus (V1) Combo Match and SFX Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ60onTByxE#)

So, here's a video testing something...

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Something I should get out of the way...

I feel like passing over the Shiki Misaki PSA over to someone else. To me, it just feels like copy and paste, and I'm not really sure where I'm going with the PSA. Contact me if anyone out there is interested in taking it off my hands. Be sure to collab me when it's out though for I have done alot of work on it already. I just feel more motivated to working on Blade Prince Marth for I have more solid ideas as to what I'm gonna do with it. I'll get some previews ready when I get the time to work on it.

Aw.. So I have to wait even longer than I expected for Shiki. :( I hope someone picks it up soon. I would if I could but I don't think I'm capable of PSA-ing. :P It looked awesome so far.

...Just did some testing. One thing: When I commented about her legs looking spidery when doing side tilt, I was referring to her back leg.

Other than that, the moves connect much more solidly and accurately than they did before. Final Smash also connects much better. Aerial Final Smash only deals 18%, but it's still a powerful KO move, and that's due to one of my own suggestions (namely, making grenades do the same amount of damage regardless). Also, it's easier to hit with.

I swear, when you said you were "nerfing" GSS, I was really worried. But overall, she doesn't actually feel nerfed. She may have less power on a few technical levels, but overall her attacks hit more precisely and with more "oomph" to them than they did before. Being able to actually use grabs is a big step up, as well.

Oh, and if we're talking about Blade Prince Marth, I actually had a Final Smash idea for him. Of course, you probably have your own already, but tell me if you'd like to hear it anyway.

I'm open for ideas. The question is, will they work...

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I guess I should go over some Shiki progress to get anyone seeing this an idea as to how far along it's going...

Rough Animations and Hitboxes are done for the normal moves. Grabs if I can recall are unchanged, and Specials for the most part, are roughly animated, but not fully coded in PSA. The Mr.Mew Article won't be called yet for I was saving that part when I do the BrawlBox work. I planned on having it attached to the TransN bone. I also have most of Mr.Mew's Animations roughly finished, and I must say, there is quite a few. Her float still exists, so that is something to be taken care of as well. Last thing I should mention are the External GFX Already in the PAC File. Those include Slash effects from TWEWY taken from actual TWEWY Sprites, and ESP Cards used for her Side Special which I have already coded, but is not working properly.

So, since you asked, my idea for Blade Prince Marth's Final Smash is as follows:
(Movement descriptions given as if facing right)

Blade Prince Marth poses for a moment as he ensures that he has all four of his swords available, then the attack opens similarly to how GSS's original Final Smash started, with a backflip spin to catch foes. The difference is that instead of going diagonally upward and forward, he travels in a forward arc. This deals 8 hits maximum, and results in his target being time-frozen while hanging in the air just in front of and slightly above him.

BPM (Blade Prince Marth, not Beats Per Minute. XD) then follows up by motioning with his arm as if throwing a kunai upwards, sending all four swords flying out at a 45° angle upwards and forwards. This deals another 4 hits, and pushes the foe at the same 45° angle before time-freezing them again.

Next, the foe is assaulted by the floating swords from all sides. One sword comes back the same way it first went and stabs through, then flies around to stab diagonally down from the upper left. Another sword stabs through from the upper right like the first did, then circles around to stab diagonally upwards from the bottom right. The third sword strikes first from the upper left, then circles around to stab diagonally downward from the upper right. The fourth sword stabs diagonally upward from the lower right, then circles around to strike from the lower left. Finally, the two swords that ended going upwards stab straight down simultaneously, then all four swords stab upward from the bottom simultaneously. At this point, time freezes completely to prevent the target from escaping the finishing blow.
Total hits: 14

Finally, BPM leaps up after the swords, then all four swords merge together into a single massive sword pointing downwards, which BPM drops down on top of and sends plummeting down onto the foe, with him riding atop one side of its crossguard. The sword either explodes on impact or just sinks into the ground as BPM leaps off.

The Final Smash deals 27 hits (or 28 if you decide to have the sword explosion deal its own hit) total. Recommended damage spread (just as a guess):
2% x 8
1% x 4
2% x 14
20% x 1 (or 12% x 1, 8% x 1 if you're gonna have the sword explosion deal its own hit)
Total damage: 68%

The only potential problem is that you're going to have to move whatever bone the camera events focus on to the centre of the targeted area for the middle section (where the foe is assaulted from all sides by the flying swords). That said, if I recall correctly that bone isn't actually rigged to any part of the character model.

The good thing with this PSA is that his other 3 swords are External GFXs. So I can place them on Any Bone at any point in time. Sadly, I'm not a fan of the 4 Swords Merging into 1 idea. Impalement, YES!

Me Gusta Impalement
That reminds me, how the [censored] am I going to do grabs for Susano'o...
Goddamit.
Maybe itll just flow back into jab...

I dunno, I just somehow felt like having Blade Prince Marth ride a giant sword into the foe would be cool, is all. You could simply end instead with the camera aiming diagonally down at the opponent as he simply throws all four swords down at them one at a time, with each one exploding on impact, or with them all embedding into the foe and then exploding simultaneously. And then Blade Prince Marth just sort of casually falls back down, since he'd then end the move way up in the air. XD

Edit: Gunslinger Samus needs to jump slightly higher when she does her Final Smash. Right now, against characters like Ganondorf she'll completely fail to go over their head and instead just push them along.

I've had that problem with Bowser actually. Her jump height during the FS was higher than it was in V0.9 because of him. I guess a bit more wouldn't hurt, but I don't want the animation look too weird. But then again, the fact that it's Cinematic will hide some of these imperfections.

As far as Blade Prince Marth goes however, My 2 Week break is about to end, so I can't really work on anything large scale at the moment. Still planning on revamping Shinda and Scarlet Fighter though. If I can squeeze in some time, I might be able to make small progress on BPM.

I actually had that problem with Bowser in this one. But well, it was a hacked Bowser who had Heavy Armour on all animations, so he only flinched from the initial grenade and was thus standing too tall for her to jump over him.

Edit: Also, her FS gunshots stop comboing after a certain point. By which I mean it's still inescapable, but Training Mode stops registering a combo. Which is kind of a shame, even though it doesn't really matter.

Edit 2: Aerial Neutral Special does something cool when reversed: it reverses her aerial momentum, like Lucario's does. Really useful for a number of things, including reversing the tide of the match by abruptly going from running away to attacking. She can also use it for a safe off-stage game with the handgun version. I imagine it could probably be used to score a KO at lower percents than normal. (Around 70-85% as opposed to the normal 115-140%.)
Forward Tilt > Down Aerial > Reverse Neutral Special (enemy is KO'd here, the rest is for recovery) > Side Special > Up Special.

Edit 3: I keep finding myself wishing I could reverse Side Special when the initial attack hits, so that she turns around back the way she came instead of continuing past the foe. I know that's how it worked in the first beta, but back then it was harder to aim the darn thing. Now, though, it's still easiest to land it as follow-up attack when the opponent doesn't have any ground beneath them. Problem is, if they don't have any ground below them, then usually you don't either... Anyway, I think the ability to reverse it would make her movement and attack options much more unpredictable.

That's actually an interesting idea. I think I still have some Actions and SubActions to spare, so I might be able to do that. Like I said, I don't have time to work on anything Large Scale at the moment.

Not sure it even requires a different subaction. Is there a way to force her to change direction during the initial hit so that she registers the direction change during the subaction/action (whichver you used) transition? What I mean is, if you place the "If (Control Stick input stuff): Change Direction" before the Change Action, will she register the change when she does the Change Action, or only when she returns to the default falling/standing Action?

I'm gonna need a different Action/SubAction Altogether. I could do it the Frameskip way (Used for your aerials), but that would require the TransN Bone to end up in the same position by the end of the animation. I want more freedom from that.

So you're gonna make a whole new animation for it, rather than just having her reverse before switching to the next Subaction?

I'm no expert, but I imagine the current code goes something like this:

Change Subaction, Subaction: (bla). Requirement: Hitbox connects


And you could easily change it to this:

If: Hitbox connects
    If: (Control Stick input stuff)
         Change Direction
    Change Subaction, Subaction: (bla)

No, I would add in another Change Action Event for this will both work on The Ground and in the Air. I could try and do it that way for I wouldn't need to use up more Actions.

On another note, if I were to do that, I dunno how the Control Stick Requirement works. Which is why I'm limited to using buttons...

Wait, a reversed version for the ground, too? Dunno if that's necessary. I suspect it might be overpowered. I mean, you just finished nerfing the range to make it less powerful...

Found some stuff relating to that from a help topic. Here:


Edit: Actually, this:

GSS has a bit of a problem. She freezes at times, sort of as if she's been affected by the Ice Climbers' Freeze glitch from Melee. I do not know how to trigger this, but I want to notify you all about this and I hope you fix this soon.

I've actually discussed that in a Help Topic. It seems to crash the game at random. Nothing I can fix sadly...

If that's not the case, what do you mean by Freeze? I don't get your Melee Terminology... If you're talking about her grabs, then V1 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=34466) Fixed that already.

This is what happens if you don't clearly describe things... But then again, I don't play Melee, so that's my fault there.

I actually haven't seen those crashes in V1. Found two others, though:
(Note: I was fighting SDoom's Deadpool both times, so I think they might be his fault.)

1. Crash when I grabbed Deadpool on a certain particular spot on Corneria.
2. Froze when I ran up and grabbed Deadpool the instant his Down Smash's hitbox ended.

As for the "freeze" glitch the guy above mentioned, I think he's referring to a certain odd glitch in which she occasionally goes into infinite hitlag. Both of the times it happened to me, Dark Lord Ganon's Flame Choke (Side Special) was involved. It's good training for SDI, though! :P

I do not mean freeze in the traditional "game crash" sense, I mean like this;
Super Smash Bros. Melee - Ice Climbers Freeze Glitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKXEcdqS3o#)
(Like Mewtwo, DK and Dr. Mario in the video above, but can't be gotten out of through grabs)
And no, this isn't how I got her in said freeze.

Oh that. I've seen that happen. I honestly don't know how it happens, and I'm not sure how I can fix it.

Actually, grabbing GSS and throwing her does seem to break her out (some pummelling may be required). However, Special Grabs will not work.

Anywho, ABC, I presume you saw the Control Stick input test comparisons I posted last page?

I have. I don't plan on using them anytime soon though... I don't think BPM will need these either.

I was just thinking that actually using the Control Stick input codes would be more intuitive if giving GSS a Side Special reversal. Same if Scarlet Fighter Zelda keeps her current Neutral Special.

Besides, now that you know how they work, there's no reason not to add them to your repertoire. Am I right?

She won't keep her current Neutral Special. In fact, she won't be keeping all of her Specials. But it's something to take note of for later. I'll refer back to it when I need it.

Due to my Business, I'm willing to make Blade Prince Marth a collaborative Project. I simply need someone to do the animations. I'll deal with the PSA Work myself. If you're interested, you can either post here, or PM me.

Honestly speaking, I'm not sure you could get away with hiring out for animations. The only other hacker I know of whose animation skill rivals yours is SDoom.

Comparing me to SDo0m? That's talking big there, considering how much longer he did this before me... lol.

To me, I feel like my animation skills are iffy at best. Sure, I can take my time with it, but they just feel iffy to me...

My reasons for getting animators is simply because Animation is the longest part of PSA Making for me. I won't mind spending the time fixing up animations. I just want some progress.

Your animation skills are "iffy"? Dude, have you seen what most other PSAers around here call "animations"? Honestly, animations are the most important part of a character hack. If they look bad, the whole hack ends up bad, balanced gameplay or no.

Maybe I should start looking at other people's threads... lol. I've been under a rock for quite some time now...

Your animations are damn amazing man. They are far better than anything my meager skills could acomplish. And I enjoy animating a lot more than coding.
I could help you out, if you could give me a little help with getting the Susano'o to work.
And I mean a little. Like just get it to transfer to the new SubActions properly if he has the FS.
I don't know if my animations are good enough for you though. Look at Sasukes animations except the Chidori spear and guage my skills based on that. Some look a little stiff but thats because I saw no reason to make too much movement.

I guess I can help you out over the weekend. I could try to give you some animation advice too while I'm at it. I should probably prepare a FitMarthMotionEtc.pac file with all the changed Animations set to 1 frame, and Renamed. I have his entire moveset planned, and I have ideas for more.

If your animations are "iffy", mine are completly bad... Your animation skills are great!

If you could give me just ONE advice for making them look great, that would help a lot!

@ABC Just tell me what they should look like and what their intended purpose is. A good description would be to either compare it to an existing animation or a rough description but then you'll need to fix it up.You also give me a rough idea of the frame count that would be best.And theres one certain animation I have that could use fixing up while your at it  :af:
Idk if you've ever played NUNS3 but Hidans Side B is his jutsu from said game, but the animation just looks kinda crappy to me...

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Actually you got skype? If we can manage to get on at the same time then that would be easier talk and I could send you the animations as I do them if you like

I could PM them to you... sadly, I don't play any Naruto Games nor have I seen the anime...

This my friend is what Youtube is for :P
If you want to see what I'm talking about then look up NUNS3 Hidan moveset.
And what timezone are you in?Sadly I'll only be around for another 20 minutes or so so we'll have to collaborate later.

Hidan and ADC working together to bring Sasuke? That's a bit too epic.

Meh. Sasuke was cooler pre-Shippuden. You know, when he wasn't a crazy evil guy with weird shadow powers. /shot

I use the term helping Loosely. Not having played any of the Naruto games, nor watching the anime, I dunno what it's going to look like...

Having actually trying it out, it just feels like an incomplete product to me... Of course it's still in development...

I'll bring you up to speed then.

Naruto is about a bunch of little kids who had f****d up childhoods because people were "mean" to them so they grow up to be mass murderers. Ninja style of course.

if you have the patience for it, the easiest thing to learn how the character plays should reflect this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLrUAVgc9fU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLrUAVgc9fU)

@Jamie
But pre-shippuden he also wasn't badass at all.He was just emo.
And Canadian is just helping a little with the Susano'o transformation, maybe some glitch fixing. Its still a product of Disciples of Jashin.His help is greatly appreciated though
(For those who don't know, Disciples of Jashin is my new hacking team.)

Slow Progress on BPM. Using the new BrawlBox that came out. That's more animation tools for me...

Probably won't get any previews until I have enough moves done to make Basic Combos.

So far I've only done the D-tilt. Was busy as hell today :P

I expect results... btw, I changed the Wait Animation, so you should do some alterations... Get the chr0 on Skype.

Speaking of BPM, I've got an idea for his Side Special:

Blade Prince Marth directs all of his currently available swords to fly forward, stabbing into the first target they hit. Then, the swords rip out one by one to return to BPM. With each sword that rips out, BPM is pulled forwards. If BPM has more than two swords, the last one explodes as it rips out, instead of returning to him. This causes higher hitstun than the previous ones do, and deals fire damage instead of slashing damage.

Essentially, the idea behind this Side Special is that it's a combo-starting tool. It pulls BPM farther forward the more of his swords he has available, letting him close the gap between him and his opponent.

I also had an idea for his jab combo, which I could share if you don't already have any plans for the move. It was designed for a three-press jab, though, so I'm not sure if it would really work.

@ADR: He's still plenty badass before Shippuden, and if you ask me "emo" is preferable over "insane AND emo". Also, Red Lions' Barrage is a cool technique.

Jab has been animated already. Also, for the Side Special, that's been planned too. What you described good sir is the Neutral Special... except it does not explode, and it only pulls the enemies towards you if you have at least a 3rd Sword Ready. I don't plan on having the Specials used as Combo Starters, but they should be Combo Extenders, as long as you have more swords equipped.

Eh, I wasn't thinking it would be a very big explosion. The explosion would be really small (think a much smaller version of the blast that Snake's C4 makes if it's placed on a wall), and it wouldn't do any more damage than the previous swords do. It was only there as an excuse as to why one of the swords doesn't come back. Also, my idea has BPM being pulled towards the enemy more than it pulls the enemy to him. That said, it's your PSA and I'll leave you to it.

By the way, does anybody know of any other Sword Models I can use? I'm currently using the Ganon Sword, the Ike Sword, and the Beam Sword. I'm thinking of changing the Beam Sword cause I don't think it'll fit in with what else he has...

the kirby sword model could work.

I don't know if this would work but you could pick 1 or 2 swords you like and give them wicked looking recolors. Again not sure if the game will let you do that.

I can import the same model more than once, but it would still read the same textures. No can do.

For the other swords, they don't have to be from Brawl to they?I'm sure there are a variety of swords imported over the Beam Sword in the Vault, and possibly if you rename the top of each of the modeldatas and texturedatas then you could have multiple versions of what is technically a beam sword. I've never tried it so it may not work but I think if they are attached to his model then they won't steal each others textures

Beam Swords, and other Battering Items... That should work. I would have to give Credit to the people that made them though... Oh well.

About Kirby's Final Cutter, I found the model(s). Don't think that's what I want though.

Genius drunk guy strikes again!
And its just credit as long as you don't do what some people do and do like a paragraph of credits its fine

I've never credited more than 3 people in any of my hacks, don't worry...

The daedric beam sword model might work for bpm

I'll pick whatever fits. I only need one anyway... lol.

Though it wouldn't hurt to add in more just to make it more flashy...

Would you mind telling me what to edit to reduce the duration of Shinda's Final Smash?

The length of one of her Animations. You may have to Re-Animate her ThrowN Bone.

I'd like to discuss BPM's Combo System, and see what you guys think...

Like I said, Combo Enders are the Smashes, and Certain Specials, and those are the only moves that actually have Knockback Growth. You can combo into them at any time. So, you can interrupt the Jab into one of those, but where's the damage in that? The player needs to try to extend the combo for as long as they can. Maybe into something like...

Jab>SNTilt>SUTilt>DTilt>SSmash

There's something more damaging. But why Stop there? BPM's SLwTilt is actually a Launcher, and can be interrupted by a Jump much like Shinda's SLwTilt (Although there's more height to this one than with Shinda). Meaning you can come up with combo strings like...

Jab>SNTilt>SUTilt>DTilt>SLwTilt>NAir>FAir>SSpecial

There's a longer combo string. But there's one last Gimmick I'd like to add in... BPM's ability to use extra swords. They are used to extend combos, and deal additional damage. Every Attack can be used with the Extra Swords, but you can choose not to use them by interrupting it before the 2nd Sword Spawns. And I'm not kidding when I said they can be used for combo extenders. Some attacks with Extra Swords actually pull the enemy back in allowing you to repeat certain loops. It's not unlimited however since once you use a Sword, it disappears until you call it back. I'll let your imaginations flow as to how the combos will look like now...

Combos are fast paced, and somewhat execution heavy. And the system behind it is pretty technical. Thoughts? Questions?

I actually like the idea of making a combos like that. although i have a concern: would another player or CPU actually be able to get out of the combos somehow or are they just stuck in until you finish your string?

They wouldn't be considered combos if you could escape them now, would they?

Seems interesting... And... I think you mentionned that the 3 other swords are External GFX, so you don't plan to add sword glow to them?
The combo extend is a good idea, I like it!
Just a question, can you begin a fight with the 4 swords directly, or do you have to "summon" them?

Good thing with Marth is that he has 4 Sword Glow Effects. No problems there. And no, You'll start out with no Extra Swords.

Did anyone ever come along to try and finish the Shiki PSA?

Nobody's taking it...

if i didnt promise to help on a ton of other things i would have taken it....

The only problem i see with this, is the Damage he can do. if all of his moves do only 1-5% damage. and if you execute a 5 hit combo. the max damage at one string that could be done is 25% while the minimum is 5% and knockback growth is congruent so that is not a problem.

i love the idea of combo systems. but an "escape" or a way to end the combo even in mid string should be an option.

an idea for this would be.
the jab is to tilts shouldn't be able to be escaped. but if leading to a smash or a Special. if a player has a quick shield finger or dodge finger has half a second to escape or less than that. i haven't dished out any ideas or suggestions in a long time. so please excuse me if it isn't good advice.

oh, and may i suggest that certain swords have different "effects" attached. like Electricity,Fire,Aura,etc. only if you sweet spot or finish off the combo with a heavy hitter move. make the execution feel sweeter with some visual reward or audible.

i see this character (on paper so to speak) being a monster in a 1V1 match. if it involves 2 or 3 extra people there will be a problem. so i think his combos should work better the closer someone is, and if they are farther away they can stop or "gimp" them. making him no so useless in a crowd. but he will truly shine in a 1v1 aspect.

also, may i suggest that the final smash is him holding (maybe at random) one of his swords in his other hand. and a few dual wielding animation. He is the blade prince; so if he decided to dual wield it's a true show of strength. sorry cancel that. would be cool, but he is a blade prince so this is too "cliche"

instead it could involve him being able to do a ver Link esque final smash but switching between the blades in the furious combo while the camera is switching around him showing off his trumendous skills. and the blades should be left in the person when he is finished with the combo.

either way, i'm highly anticipating this moveset.

if you are still having trouble finding models for his sword. i can make swords for him. swords are easy models to make.