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    « Reply #570 on: March 11, 2014, 06:25:23 PM »


    Special - Magic ball, of course. 'Xcept if you charge the move, to make it that purple scatter shot magic ball he does.
    Side Special - Aughanim thunder magic. Ever played A Link to the Past?
    Up Special - Pretty simple Teleportation type move.
    Down Special - That thunder-punch ground slam thing from Ocarina of Time.

    Special and Down Special have the highest priority right now.

    1. Easy. The second part will be slightly challenging, but otherwise it should be easy.
    2. wat
    3. I'm not sure how to make the character teleport diagonally, but I'm pretty sure I can do up, down, left, and right. I've always wanted to do a teleport move myself, just haven't got the time to do so yet.
    4. Easy
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    « Reply #571 on: March 11, 2014, 06:52:00 PM »


    Oh lookie here, Ganondorf got me king for a day.
    Niiiiice, thank you thank you. This perfect.

    Anything else you can do for this hack would be incredible. Some suggestions:
    His new walk is fair, but also fairly shoddy
    His Down Smash literally has no transition
    His cape attacks (Jab, NAir) look fanatastic in BB, but OK in-game. You know how to manipulate cape physics?
    His Run animation needs more definition. It's good, but bland.
    I've got to give a biiiiiiiiiig fat no on his one. This decision is very easy to explain.
    Ganondorf has "four" possible swords, actually.
    1. Spaceworld Demo Sword
    2. Wind Waker Sword(s)
    3. Execution Sword
    4. The Dark Master Sword

    1. The Spaceworld demo isn't canon, and it's appearance in Melee is negated by the fact that that game also isn't canon. Sword 1 is out.

    2. While the Wind Waker swords are in fact his, they are also relatively generic. AND, giving them to him would mean giving every slot on the moveset dual swords, with a dual sword moveset. That's not happenin'.

    3. The execution sword from Twilight Princess literally isn't his, so I'm technically entertaining your complain by not including it. He stole it from the sages after escaping execution. It's also somewhat bland.

    Spoiler my last point because there's some Skyward Sword end-game info in here.
    4. The Dark Master sword is literally his weapon. If you want to argue that it's technically Demise' sword, I'd have to shoot back with the fact that Demise is technically Ganondorf. Of the three canon swords he possesses, only two are his, only two have a relatively nifty design, and only one of all three fits BOTH of those criteria. It's also, from the perspective of the storyline, the single most important and powerful sword Ganondorf ever wielded. The choice was abundantly clear, it just had to be the Dark Master Sword.

    OBJECTION!
    Ganondorf is not a reincarnation, he is a curse that Demise created.
    Demise is still sealed in the master sword [citation needed], and is technically not Ganondorf.

    Also sorry for sounding like a little *beep* but of all the swords you picked why pick the one that the character under the name of Ganondorf/Ganon never even touched.

    Also: This is not a generic sword:
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    « Reply #572 on: March 11, 2014, 08:15:04 PM »


    There seems to be an impasse here:

    On one side:
    In the videogame universe, when you "obtain" something, its your right? Look at Link getting all of his valuable items left behind in dungeons... they not his but we still consider them his correct?

    Same logic can be applied to Ganondorf, he "obtained" the Exe. Sword, therefore it his, and he uses it in a completely cannon game to fight Link.

    Ganondorf has no generic swords. Only semi generic Sword play.

    On the other hand:
    The dark master sword is literally, the only sword he has that has dark energy on it, fits him so well for whatever PSA is planned, to make Ganon All Star material, he needs a sword that fits whatever magic attack he uses. Therefore, the Exe. Sword makes no sense in that case, its pure light not shadow.

    It may not be his, but its on his bloodline, you see...
    Skywards Sword Spoilers ahead:
    The dark Master Sword is Ghirahim himself, Ghirahim strongly resembles your navi, fi, witch is the light master sword... therefore, BOTH OF YOU ARE WRONG. Why? Ganondorf is not Demise incarnation, he's Demise's Curse.

    You see, the light master sword was created by the soul porpoise to seal off Demise, therefore sealing off darkness. On his final breath Demise "cursed" the hero's bloodline with one of his "bloodlines" to take revenge. Ghirahim was not sealed off with Demise. He just poofed away.

    Proof, skip this video to 7:01:


    What do I wanna go with this? Simple, Ghirahim's job is to carry that curse, and aid for the hero's demise.
    The dark master sword... is now Ganondorf's sword. Its just that he never decided to use it since he had the triforce of power to mess with.
    Hoenn confirmed X D

    Go ahead and argue against this...
    I'm ready!
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    He said his "incarnation"... but how did he did it being sealed off in the master sword?
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    « Reply #573 on: March 11, 2014, 08:28:36 PM »


    COUNTER OBJECTION!
    Ganondorf is not merely a curse, but the imbodiment of Demise' hatred. As a projection of his emotions he can be seen as a conscious dispensation of his being!

    EXHIBIT A
    "Though this is not the end. My hate...never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again!"

    The defense rests.

    The only thing that isn't generic about the sword is the hilt, but I'll concede on that point. However, the fact remains that that sword goes with a set. Giving him one and not the other wouldn't make sense and more people would complain. I really wish I could give him every sword, but as far as I know that's not possible (and certainly beyond my skill level).
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    « Reply #574 on: March 11, 2014, 08:39:33 PM »




    I deny your Exhibit to be correct!

    "Though this is not the end. My hate...never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again!"


    Demise will rise again, but his hate never perishes, how would he delivers this since he is sealed off in the Master Sword in the first place? He need to be released first!
    Hate=Sword!


    Joking aside, the dark master sword is epic, leave it like that, it fits him so well.
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    « Reply #575 on: March 11, 2014, 09:06:58 PM »


    How about...

    Making a version for all the swords?

    Geez...
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    « Reply #576 on: March 11, 2014, 10:03:39 PM »


    How about...

    Making a version for all the swords?

    Geez...
    I'm sure this wouldn't be hard but Amarythe has a lot of stuff to do so I don't suggest it.

    As much as it disappoints me I have to deal with it.
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    « Reply #577 on: March 11, 2014, 10:23:34 PM »


    I'm sure this wouldn't be hard but Amarythe has a lot of stuff to do so I don't suggest it.

    As much as it disappoints me I have to deal with it.

    It's super easy.

    Just change the damn model of the sword. Takes literally a few seconds.
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    « Reply #578 on: March 11, 2014, 10:37:30 PM »


    Oh lookie here, Ganondorf got me king for a day.
    Niiiiice, thank you thank you. This is perfect.

    Anything else you can do for this hack would be incredible. Some suggestions:
    His new walk is fair, but also fairly shoddy
    His Down Smash literally has no transition
    His cape attacks (Jab, NAir) look fanatastic in BB, but OK in-game. You know how to manipulate cape physics?
    His Run animation needs more definition. It's good, but bland.

    I'll see what I can do with these. It'll feel good to get that load off your shoulders right? I'll help ya.
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    « Reply #579 on: March 12, 2014, 07:47:43 AM »


    Just a Mario Fan passing through an intense argument about Zelda. Reading you guys go back and forth was kinda interesting. Haha, but whatevs. If you think Ganondorf should use a different sword than the one Amarthye is giving him, then replace it yourself. I mean, come on, it can't be that hard. I've done it a few times myself with multiple FE characters.
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    « Reply #580 on: March 12, 2014, 10:51:16 AM »


    I really want this Ganon...

    I really hate Falcondorf. Like, a lot.
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    « Reply #581 on: March 12, 2014, 11:33:57 AM »


    Just a Mario Fan passing through an intense argument about Zelda. Reading you guys go back and forth was kinda interesting. Haha, but whatevs. If you think Ganondorf should use a different sword than the one Amarthye is giving him, then replace it yourself. I mean, come on, it can't be that hard. I've done it a few times myself with multiple FE characters.
    It's even easier with Ganon, since the sword is in the .pac file, or the motionetc... In any case, that's just something really quick.
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    « Reply #582 on: March 12, 2014, 04:59:53 PM »


    Anyone want to give me a tutorial on how to do that? Cause I have NO idea how to work with psas and pacs
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    « Reply #583 on: March 12, 2014, 05:27:09 PM »




    I deny your Exhibit to be correct!

    Demise will rise again, but his hate never perishes, how would he delivers this since he is sealed off in the Master Sword in the first place? He need to be released first!
    Hate=Sword!


    Joking aside, the dark master sword is epic, leave it like that, it fits him so well.

    I know you're playing devil's advocate since you want the sword, but...



    His hate does not equal the sword! His hate = Ganondorf! The curse of Demise is the embodiment of the aforementioned! If the Sword = Hate and Hate = Ganondorf, that not only makes the Master Sword a curse (which is preposterous), but it also means Ganondorf kills himself at the end of every game!

    ADDITIONALLY, Demise NEVER rises again (so far as we know), making your point moot!

    Making a version for all the swords?

    No. Because,
    Amarythe has a lot of stuff to do

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    then replace it yourself.


    The hack set I'm planning won't be subject to different versions. I simply have too much on my plate to accommodate the little nit-picks involved with the project. I'm always open to suggestions, but the hackset has an extremely strict changelist that will not be subject to alternate versions (including the former Captain Falcon, which currently has two versions).

    Until we can add slot specific sword mods to the character, this won't happen. Hell, if it ever becomes possible, I'd even give Wind Waker Ganondorf his own unique sword style.

    This is a massive project with almost no crew members (props to Heavy, Scout, and Bronze) and an irrationally long changelist. The finished product may never see a release, meaning I have to prioritize everything I do down to the last detail. That includes accommodations as relatively fast and easy as a sword swap, something any schmuck with Brawl Box and the BV search bar can figure out.

    Just open the FitGanon.pac file with your personal sword.
    Right Click - Export the object for it.
    Go to the SSBAS file.
    Right Click - Import.
    BAM

    I'll see what I can do with these. It'll feel good to get that load off your shoulders right? I'll help ya.

    Sounds awesome! Take your time, I may be moving on from Ganondorf soon, if not now.
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    « Reply #584 on: March 12, 2014, 05:40:43 PM »


    I simply have too much on my plate to accommodate the little nit-picks involved with the project.

    I'm not taking a side (I have my own plans for my Ganon slot), but this makes no sense.

    The swap literally takes a few seconds to do for the sword. I know you're not going to do it, and I know you say that you have a lot on your plate. But is 8 seconds (excluding the time to find the models, which honestly shouldn't take long) to change the sword really going to take that much time out of your hacking?

    If this was something like rigging the whole model over again (which I have to deal with), I'd understand. But this is model swaps.

    All you gotta do to make everyone happy is just include like 4 swords which off the top of my head, I think they're the Dark Master Sword, Sage Sword, the one he had in SSBM for his victory, and the WW sword (although you could argue that the WW sword wouldn't fit the model and the style at all, which I would agree with. Clashes too hard).
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