Mewtwo2000's Stage Thread [Grunty's Tower finally in the vault! (14/05/2013)]

[SalaComMander]

I just tested the Crisis City. It's epic, but I have a few of complaints. First off, the giant Tsunami of lava that comes up doesn't do anything, if you can't remove it, make it so that it does something. Second, you might want to alter Silver's flight path, I saw him fly through the lava wall. Third, why are there Chaos Emeralds in the back/foreground? If Sonic used his Final Smash, it could create a paradox!

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[Mewtwo2000]

I just tested the Crisis City. It's epic, but I have a few of complaints. First off, the giant Tsunami of lava that comes up doesn't do anything, if you can't remove it, make it so that it does something. Second, you might want to alter Silver's flight path, I saw him fly through the lava wall. Third, why are there Chaos Emeralds in the back/foreground? If Sonic used his Final Smash, it could create a paradox!

The tsunami actually works, but not always, don't know why. It probably depends on where you are. It's easy to remove, but as it works sometimes and it's not really annoying, I'm leaving it as is

Silver's path could be altered, but the lava appearances are random, and Silver is programmed. This means that altering his path or his timings would do nothing, as the probabilities to have him going though the lava would be the same

And... The chaos emeralds... Well, Crisis City is in the far future, those are the chaos emeralds in the future. Sonic comes from the present (Crisis City's past) so he has his own chaos emeralds. In Sonic the Hedgehog, the emeralds of the future are taken to the present time with no consequences, so no paradox will have place while sonic returns to his own time with the seven chaos emeralds when the fight ends O.o xD

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I finally got a video recorder, when I fix it I will able to make my own videos xD

[SalaComMander]

I just tested the Crisis City. It's epic, but I have a few of complaints. First off, the giant Tsunami of lava that comes up doesn't do anything, if you can't remove it, make it so that it does something. Second, you might want to alter Silver's flight path, I saw him fly through the lava wall. Third, why are there Chaos Emeralds in the back/foreground? If Sonic used his Final Smash, it could create a paradox!

The tsunami actually works, but not always, don't know why. It probably depends on where you are. It's easy to remove, but as it works sometimes and it's not really annoying, I'm leaving it as is

Ok then.

Silver's path could be altered, but the lava appearances are random, and Silver is programmed. This means that altering his path or his timings would do nothing, as the probabilities to have him going though the lava would be the same

I'm not talking about changing the timing, I'm talking about making it so that he never flies where lava could possibly be.

And... The chaos emeralds... Well, Crisis City is in the far future, those are the chaos emeralds in the future. Sonic comes from the present (Crisis City's past) so he has his own chaos emeralds. In Sonic the Hedgehog, the emeralds of the future are taken to the present time with no consequences, so no paradox will have place while sonic returns to his own time with the seven chaos emeralds when the fight ends O.o xD

But you see, only seven Chaos Emerald can exist in a single dimension, across the entire space/time continuum. Trust me, I know this stuff. I've probably done more research on the Chaos Emeralds than the late Prof. Gerald himself.

[dingo]

Any chance of making a 3D version of the super emerald chamber?

[BUGKILLER23]

Just came back from school so I'm testing it right now.

I'll tell you in the evening or tomorrow

[Mewtwo2000]

Okay, but leave mushroom kingdom to me, I was not aware of it not working in PAL, so I'll test it out today and will make the needed fixes

I'll upload the beta 2 with those fixes

Any chance of making a 3D version of the super emerald chamber?

Not for now, I have too much projects in mind and a 3D chamber would take me a lot of time ^^U

[Miquel0123]

te hablo en español porque se que me entiendes XD

lo que te queria decir es que en la pantalla de mario bros, me he fijado que el techo es muuuy alto, estaria bien que lo bajaras bastante XD, supongo que es mas facil arreglar los limites de la pantalla que los bugs de las tuberias, tambien con los bordes laterales, pero supongo que todo esto ya te lo habran dicho XDD

[Segtendo]

Here's what he's saying (from Google translate):

"I speak in Spanish because I know what I mean XD

what I wanted to say is that the screen of mario bros, I noticed that the roof is sooo high, I would be okay to come down pretty XD I guess it is easier to fix the limits of the screen bugs pipes, also with the side edges, but I suppose that all this must have told you XDD"

[Mewtwo2000]

te hablo en español porque se que me entiendes XD

lo que te queria decir es que en la pantalla de mario bros, me he fijado que el techo es muuuy alto, estaria bien que lo bajaras bastante XD, supongo que es mas facil arreglar los limites de la pantalla que los bugs de las tuberias, tambien con los bordes laterales, pero supongo que todo esto ya te lo habran dicho XDD

Si, alguna vez me lo han dicho ya xD

Cuando saque la beta 2 espero que se aprecie el cambio O.o
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In english: Yeah, they already told me that some times xD

I expect you to notice the fix when I release beta 2 O.o

[Miquel0123]

o.o good! (y)

[Mit]

Mewtwo, I edited the death boundaries for Mushroom Kingdom 64 in BrawlWall and I figured I'd let you know how I edited them, as it turned out pretty well.  I'm not going to upload it, however, as I broke the teleportation system when I re-saved it using BrawlWall @_@ perhaps I should try finding these things in Brawlbox and editing them.  Anyways:

I changed the top left death point (Dead0N) to X: -185, Y: 165.  Bottom right (Dead1N) remained unchanged.
I changed the top left camera point (CamLimit0N) to X: -125, Y: 125.  I changed the bottom right camera point (CamLimit1N) to X: 125, Y: -100.

So, the camera's horizontal boundaries were significantly shrunk down, and it works well.  You can almost never see the DEAD ZONE graphic off to the side unless you pause it and rotate the camera--just like it was in Smash 64.  You will probably see it sometimes still while playing widescreen, and you stretch the screen out very far horizontally and vertically.  Does the stage feel a bit more cramped?  Yes.  But that's exactly how it was on 64   Also, it's not like you can't see the pipes or anything.  It's literally very close to the camera in Smash 64.

Death boundaries remained horizontally because they were perfect.  Vertical death boundary, however, was pulled waaaay down to be something much more sensible.  Now it should behave as one would expect while playing.  You shouldn't survive higher than you expect, and you shouldn't die earlier than you would normally think.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, though.  I'm not even sure if BrawlBox uses the same coordinates for Cameras and Death boundaries

[Mewtwo2000]

Mewtwo, I edited the death boundaries for Mushroom Kingdom 64 in BrawlWall and I figured I'd let you know how I edited them, as it turned out pretty well.  I'm not going to upload it, however, as I broke the teleportation system when I re-saved it using BrawlWall @_@ perhaps I should try finding these things in Brawlbox and editing them.  Anyways:

I changed the top left death point (Dead0N) to X: -185, Y: 165.  Bottom right (Dead1N) remained unchanged.
I changed the top left camera point (CamLimit0N) to X: -125, Y: 125.  I changed the bottom right camera point (CamLimit1N) to X: 125, Y: -100.

So, the camera's horizontal boundaries were significantly shrunk down, and it works well.  You can almost never see the DEAD ZONE graphic off to the side unless you pause it and rotate the camera--just like it was in Smash 64.  You will probably see it sometimes still while playing widescreen, and you stretch the screen out very far horizontally and vertically.  Does the stage feel a bit more cramped?  Yes.  But that's exactly how it was on 64   Also, it's not like you can't see the pipes or anything.  It's literally very close to the camera in Smash 64.

Death boundaries remained horizontally because they were perfect.  Vertical death boundary, however, was pulled waaaay down to be something much more sensible.  Now it should behave as one would expect while playing.  You shouldn't survive higher than you expect, and you shouldn't die earlier than you would normally think.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, though.  I'm not even sure if BrawlBox uses the same coordinates for Cameras and Death boundaries

Thanks a lot, any help is appreciated, and your dedication does specially, I have changed those values too, but only by memory, not really comparing the original stage, so they probably would still be a little big. I will take your values, they will sure work in brawlbox, the coordinate system is exactly the same, so it will be a copy-paste

Thanks again, and well, I will have to hurry up, make changes today and try to release beta2 this week ^^U

[BUGKILLER23]

So do I need brawlwall for this? (to change the size of the stage cuz i was trying it with brawlbox)

I actually wanted to make the ported stages from fairknight to get to work but I dont know how to add .rel files to the stage pac

[Mewtwo2000]

Brawlwall allows you to edit spawn/camera/death points while viewing the collisions, thats the point, and it's 2D, more easy to see

The rel files go into the module folder, and must be slighly edited to be used for a stage. I mean, if you want to make a final destination working in 75m, you have to get the st_final.rel from the game, and make a small edit to it so you can use it as a st_donkey.rel file in the SD

EDIT: Now I'm home I see that my fix and mit's are very similar indeed.

Dead0N (Mit) -> -185,165
Dead0N (Mewtwo) -> -185,160
CamLimit0N (Mit) -> -125,125
CamLimit0N (Mewtwo) -> -130,130
CamLimit1N (Mit) -> 125,-100
CamLimit1N (Mewtwo) -> 130,-100

So my fixed camera is 5 points bigger, and my top death is 5 points lower...

The difference is minimal, I'll get Mit's camera limits and I'll leave my dead limit xD