Bump Maps: Possible?

[Dantarion]

You could look at how that is implemented...are you actually able to edit Brawl's shaders?
I'm pretty sure the only way to edit the raw shaders is to write raw opcodes.

[DarkPikachu]

You could look at how that is implemented...are you actually able to edit Brawl's shaders?
I'm pretty sure the only way to edit the raw shaders is to write raw opcodes.

I don't believe BJ ever got in depth about how the TEVs work :/
I'm still playing around with GL's FFP to figure them out... >_>

EDIT:
I know how specular maps work though, but don't know how to describe it...
bump maps are like specular maps, but really that's putting it lightly...

I'm not exactly sure just how complex bump maps are... >_>

[Spex130]

Well, Brawlbox CAN edit shaders. It's just that most of us don't exactly know what does what.

I'm absolutely positive that the effect can at least be replicated on a V9 MDL0.

[DarkPikachu]

Well, Brawlbox CAN edit shaders. It's just that most of us don't exactly know what does what.

I'm absolutely positive that the effect can at least be replicated on a V9 MDL0.

I know alot about the opcodes... heck I've documented them in my template.

the algorithm is what puzzles me, as I've tried to get it working using blender nodes and failed...
would be nice if there was a bit more documentation and a better interface... heh

well there is a better interface, and UMC can easily be extended with it (almost, UMC's current internal model format is a knot), but the interface is a bit complex for me to deal with right now... >_>

I'm restructuring UMC v3.0 to have extendable material classes for modern interfacing so it'll be easier to support these.
but alas, it's yet another game of wait on my end. -.-*
(truthfully I'm kinda bored of playing it, but I'm gaining knowledge, so I'll go another round)

EDIT:
btw, v9 is more than capable of NBT *glares at Brawl Giga Bowser*

[Sammi Husky]

By opcodes i believe he was talking about the game's Assembly opcodes, unless i'm mistaken at least.

Editing the shaders in BBox isn't editing the way the game computes lighting, it's changing what feedback the game receives from the model. In order to force the game to recognize and implement a map that it doesn't natively support you need to tell the game engine how to read and interpret the data.

[DarkPikachu]

By opcodes i believe he was talking about the game's Assembly opcodes, unless i'm mistaken at least.

Editing the shaders in BBox isn't editing the way the game computes lighting, it's changing what feedback the game receives from the model. In order to force the game to recognize and implement a map that it doesn't natively support you need to tell the game engine how to read and interpret the data.

we're talking about the opcodes for the BP register, not the ASM

open an MDL0 with my latest hexedit template and you should see what I mean

EDIT: here's a screenshot from when I got the TEV's working properly:

^link to larger image

EDIT2:
please tell me if I havn't released this
I think I have though <_<

[Sammi Husky]

ah i see, i don't know jack about that sorta thing xD hahaha.

[DarkPikachu]

ah i see, i don't know jack about that sorta thing xD hahaha.

XD
wanna learn?? :3

only problem though is where to start if so... >.>

[DSX8]

dx8
dont u have the other m models in mdlo format?
we can extract em from there
about mariokart's stuff:
ive heard its a little glitchy in the lighting
and to make emboss maps out of normal maps is a [censored]
also, didnt u say somewhere that u had some lights in the subway stage using 4 different maps?

hah yeah.. Other M uses emboss maps as normal maps since thats what they normally are..

and yeah, the subway stage from Mortal Kombat 9 uses diffuse, spec and normal maps (along with some that uses luminance maps too)

[DarkPikachu]

I just remembered, the Nintendo Gamecube Tech Demo has a stone-gem pillar spiral-staircase where the gems are normal mapped.
I'm not sure if it uses normal maps or emboss maps though >_>
(I'm sending the file to my compy as I type this)
^my brother currently has my games HDD

[Velen]

I looked up the Gamecube Tech Demo on Youtube and found it. The spiral staircase uses bump and shadow, not necessarily Normal Maps (at least it's not named as such). So it might be. Found it a bit interesting though.

[DarkPikachu]

just extracted the ISO, the NDM files are the models, and have quite a few similar structures, as well as the data is actually named (strings exist in the data).

I should have a HexEdit template out for these in a few days
(unless I continue working on UMC which is likely)

EDIT:
also just about cracked the very simple DTX texture files.
the header is only 16 bytes, and the rest of the file is just the data

EDIT2: OT:
just now decided to look in the audio folder and found an H file containing:

Code:

//
// C/C++ MusyX Defines Include
// Generated by DolphinExport 11:45:08 6/5/2001
//


#define	GRPGM_Set		0
#define	GRPSFXgroup		1


#define	SNGgcdemo		0
#define	SNGentrance		1
#define	SNGdome		2
#define	SNGspiral		3
#define	SNGhangar		4
#define	SNGcave		5
#define	SNGcinema		6
#define	SNGmetal		7
#define	SNGcoins		8


#define	SFXjump_oneshot		0
#define	SFXknock_oneshot		1
#define	SFXdoor_oneshot		2
#define	SFXcoin_oneshot		3

I wonder if it's actually used, or if it's there for educational purposes

[Velen]

just extracted the ISO, the NDM files are the models, and have quite a few similar structures, as well as the data is actually named (strings exist in the data).

I should have a HexEdit template out for these in a few days
(unless I continue working on UMC which is likely)

EDIT:
also just about cracked the very simple DTX texture files.
the header is only 16 bytes, and the rest of the file is just the data

EDIT2: OT:
just now decided to look in the audio folder and found an H file containing:

Code:

//
// C/C++ MusyX Defines Include
// Generated by DolphinExport 11:45:08 6/5/2001
//


#define	GRPGM_Set		0
#define	GRPSFXgroup		1


#define	SNGgcdemo		0
#define	SNGentrance		1
#define	SNGdome		2
#define	SNGspiral		3
#define	SNGhangar		4
#define	SNGcave		5
#define	SNGcinema		6
#define	SNGmetal		7
#define	SNGcoins		8


#define	SFXjump_oneshot		0
#define	SFXknock_oneshot		1
#define	SFXdoor_oneshot		2
#define	SFXcoin_oneshot		3

I wonder if it's actually used, or if it's there for educational purposes

NDM sounds like a proprietary file format for the Gamecube's hardware to me.

[DarkPikachu]

NDM sounds like a proprietary file format for the Gamecube's hardware to me.

I'm thinking ND Model
the game's name is "ND Demo"

there's also associate BGH and MCD formats for the NDM

not sure which is the priority format is though

[DarkPikachu]

quote:

I envy you... lol

anyways, not just ncrease what we can do, but more show the power of what the Wii can do.

I wanna try to get Brawl to support the v11 MDL0 format so I can actually give Pika his fur.

normal mapping can be used to make his eyes look better and so on...
(I don't have to explain everything, use your imagination)

my knowledge from this also comes from Nexuiz

I'm just a little curious if the wii could actually support depth sampling
I forget the term honestly, here's what I mean: (look at the walls and the floor)


I used to have a GL sample that made a floor look like gold bricks...
I think it was called oversampling or something...

Parallax Occlusion, that's what I was thinking of >.<

decided to re-look into PyStream (now that I'm getting into GLSL) and stumbled across that in this:
https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/16886/Bray_Nicholas.pdf?sequence=1
I wanna try see if the wii can be made to do that.