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Title: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Tormod on May 19, 2011, 10:02:21 AM
I shared my Fierce Deity Project a couple weeks ago, but it's still lacking a good moveset to make it complete. I've taken a break from it for a while to work on some other little projects. Annyways, I'm looking for some Ideas for where to take this, and looking to recruit anyone who is interested in being a part of this hack. So far I'm going solo!

Download: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=18569&Moderated=All

Here's what I have so far..

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6668/al11050101481binout.jpg)

(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/803/tfdt.jpg)

(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8250/al1105010202binout.jpg)
a sheilded version with smaller sword:
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1421/al1105010218binout.jpg)

and a 30 second clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT5Ap3rBZeI


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: BlueBrain on May 19, 2011, 12:29:49 PM
do you have a moveset for him? (ideas)


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: SiLeNtDo0m on May 19, 2011, 01:13:08 PM
do you have a moveset for him? (ideas)

No, hence why he's asking for ideas.  He has started on moves, but needs help with ideas.

I don't know too much about how FD Link attacks or anything like that, but maybe you could take a look at some of the moves from Hero of Time Link by DivineOverlord.  That might help.


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 19, 2011, 01:46:50 PM
B: Moon beam Sickle (move does slightly more damage than the arrow at medium charge, but has no charge 'this is the move he does when he attacks at no damage')

there are alot of things you could do. but this one is the major thought and you can use the arrow, and replace it's model with a flat object and texture it to look like a moon blade. this way it can be reflected.


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: BlueBrain on May 19, 2011, 01:49:55 PM
FD link's problem is that he is just link without accesories, with a badass sword that can throw energy waves from his sword when locked on...
soooooo...

NB: energy wave (use the arrow for real projectil effect)

upB: stronger version of link's upB, and with the two handed sword animation from when he loads the spin attack...



damn, he's dificult to make a moveset for...

ninja'd...


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: 水晶空 on May 19, 2011, 02:21:19 PM
Because there are not many moveset ideas we can use for Fierce Deity, you could improvise:

Maybe making his Neutral A air this instead of a kick: Link does a quick flip while hold his sword out to hit the person.

Probably not a good idea since I'm not as creative, but improvising the moveset could be a big part of the PSA.


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: BlueBrain on May 19, 2011, 02:23:03 PM
you make a point there, i dont imagine FD link punching and kicking, so all kicks could be replaced for sword moves... for example, set the default forward air to N air, and use ike's forwar air ^^


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 20, 2011, 01:07:19 PM
Well then his Side-B should be him Stabbing his sword in the direction.

if stabbed, press Side B again, then you will sling them in the air. bress Side B again. and you will throw your sword up. (much like Narutos Side B combo move.)

Down B. He stabs his sword into the ground. and a whole bunch of energy flows out of the blade. determining the power you charged it at, is how strong it would be.


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: BlueBrain on May 20, 2011, 01:10:48 PM
cool ideas, the down B could work like a single DK down B


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 20, 2011, 02:41:00 PM
yeah.

that'll be better.

all that's needed to to change smashes into two handed moves...


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Enigmatic on May 20, 2011, 03:29:59 PM
Just a question, is this meant to be balanced or broken? I can't really tell, seeing as how FD link is known for just being a beast.


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 20, 2011, 03:43:18 PM
i suggest balanced. I WUV MAH BALANCED MAWDS


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: fighter20brawler10 on May 20, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
He should use the magical sword beam thingy!


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 20, 2011, 09:12:22 PM
that has been mentioned as his nuetral B

and i totally agree.

oh and. final smash, seeing how he is in his final state.

why not make himj summon Majora??? or somethin cause the mask is evil...

wait i know.

replace the trie force pieces with what looks like crescent moons. and do what Dark link's final smash does, but he is visable laughing minacally...


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Tormod on May 20, 2011, 10:37:06 PM
Just a question, is this meant to be balanced or broken? I can't really tell, seeing as how FD link is known for just being a beast.

I also prefer it to be pretty close to balanced. It's like Mewtwo in Smash bros, of course he should own just about everyone with his hands behind his back but it takes the fun out of it.

These are all great suggestions guys, thanks. Now, I can definitely do the animations for all of that, but I've never done much with PSA so I've just been experimenting with it to get a feel for it. I don't want to upload anything that isn't done right though.

So here's what I'm thinking it will look like..

Two handed sword animations for everything.

Also, I like the 5E graphic effect coming out of his sword, or something like that. Blue fairy type stuff comes from his sword in N64.

Neutral B: Bright blue disc shaped energy wave of some sort

Up B: Stronger as jokekid suggested

Down B: Single power filled stab to the ground that affects the surrounding area.

Side B:
Well then his Side-B should be him Stabbing his sword in the direction.

if stabbed, press Side B again, then you will sling them in the air. bress Side B again. and you will throw your sword up. (much like Narutos Side B combo move.)
yep, that would be sweet.

Final Smash:
replace the trie force pieces with what looks like crescent moons. and do what Dark link's final smash does, but he is visable laughing minacally...

I'll have to check out the final smash for the Dark Link PSA, but this sounds great.

Eliminate the air kicks with Sword attacks.

Now to make it happen, anyone want to be added as a colab for PSA? I enjoy making animations but I'm still learning how to do PSA.


Title: Re: Ideas for Fierce Deity Moveset
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 20, 2011, 11:23:18 PM
i can help somewhat.

i'll do what i can.

i mean, just PM me the stuff you've done, and i'll see what i can do you know.

not great at animations unless i have a visual guide. so, if you don't mine making a sort of sprite sheet of stick figures doing the motion you want.

you know. example

Animation 1
link is swinging his sword around in a circle

draw a stick figure in a sprite sheet manner doing what you want him to do. then i can do it.

i need a visual guide that is in that format.

this is all that i require.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Tormod on May 22, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
I can animate, I would just need help with PSA. I haven't done much other than what's already uploaded.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: beastmaster on May 23, 2011, 08:54:52 AM
for final smash just do the triforce, ikes slashing animation then whatever


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 23, 2011, 02:52:55 PM
I think using the evil side of the Fierce Deity mask will allow us to make a more availiable PSA ready type character.

and i think mine is a wee bit better because it would bring out an omegaly creepy final smash.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: 水晶空 on May 23, 2011, 05:43:42 PM
I think using the evil side of the Fierce Deity mask will allow us to make a more availiable PSA ready type character.

and i think mine is a wee bit better because it would bring out an omegaly creepy final smash.
There is no evidence that shows that FD is evil, the Zelda community refers to Fierce Deity Link as Oni Link (Oni in Japanese folklore: demons, etc.) for some reason.

If Link had the intention of defeating Majora with the mask on, there can't be any evidence that FD is evil, because the spirit in the mask is a god that could easily overtake Link's mind.
(emphasis on god)



Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: BlueBrain on May 23, 2011, 10:37:29 PM
oni link is evil...
and in majora's mask, who said that on link didnt take over?
i mean, u can ONLY use him for boss fights (without codes i mean), and the battle against majora looks like a personal fight between the oni and majora himself...
in the comic, majora says to link:
lets play tag, u are the "oni" since in japanese, the one who tags, is called "oni", so its kinda of a word game...

anyway, he is a demon god, thus evil... who only lets link control him because he wants to destroy majora... thats my interpretation at least...


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: 水晶空 on May 24, 2011, 02:06:02 PM
oni link is evil...
and in majora's mask, who said that on link didnt take over?
i mean, u can ONLY use him for boss fights (without codes i mean), and the battle against majora looks like a personal fight between the oni and majora himself...
in the comic, majora says to link:
lets play tag, u are the "oni" since in japanese, the one who tags, is called "oni", so its kinda of a word game...

anyway, he is a demon god, thus evil... who only lets link control him because he wants to destroy majora... thats my interpretation at least...
After some research: I change my case; FDL is evil.

At first, Majora could not destory or defeat Link, so this time, he tries to corrupt him with an evil mask, but again, fails. He tries to corrupt Link's mind so he can use Link to feed off the despair with him.

Link can remain pure of heart and wield the mask and not succumb to the evil mask's temptations. By not giving into its temptations, Link uses the mask for good, to destroy Majora.

What this also means is that Link cannot use the full power of the mask.
This is because he does not want to participate in evil, AND he has a pure heart.
The god can obviously grant powers to Link because he is sealed away in the mask.
But being said the god is evil, he is displeased and will not let Link use corrupt powers unless he is corrupt.

I don't think the god can take over Link's mind, only temptations and the soul are evident.

Also, being said that Link is using the mask for good instead of evil (destroying Majora), the god is probably not introducing the corrupt powers to Link unless he is using the mask for corrupt reasons.

The final smash should be, like, something that is corrupt.

But the final smash should not involve anything with Majora's mask. (literally the mask)


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Tormod on May 24, 2011, 02:14:07 PM
Yeah, I would say that laughing manically is corrupt lol. So far that's still where my vote goes.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 24, 2011, 03:33:10 PM
Well. i was saying to turn the Triforces into Moon sickles that cut and tear into the selected enemy as Link is laughing maniacally. and the final kill move is him throwing the Tong blade into the enemy indefenitely killing him.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: 水晶空 on May 24, 2011, 04:37:15 PM
Well. i was saying to turn the Triforces into Moon sickles that cut and tear into the selected enemy as Link is laughing maniacally. and the final kill move is him throwing the Tong blade into the enemy indefenitely killing him.
Question: Don't you have to use SFX Hacks?
I don't think you can use different parts of voice acting from another character in PSA, at least from what I've read.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 25, 2011, 12:50:41 PM
well he isn't laughing. he looks like he's laughing. much like the Sephiroth PSA.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: 水晶空 on May 25, 2011, 02:47:58 PM
well he isn't laughing. he looks like he's laughing. much like the Sephiroth PSA.
Oh, okay.

Oh by the way, if the final smash doesn't work out, I have a spare option:
Make FDL seem merciless in the FS.

Just a back-up idea if you guys need another idea for the final smash for some reason.

I'm not implying I don't like the laughing idea, I think it's great, but it's just an idea to fall back on. :3


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Ultraxwing on May 26, 2011, 08:41:17 AM
of course. a fall back idea is always neded


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: zigheart on May 26, 2011, 09:34:19 AM
or u can fuse a few things about link  together from the game. like the ice/light/fire arrows.
i think side A can be the same with energy burts after both swings, up A the same as side B


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: BlueBrain on May 26, 2011, 10:32:28 AM
FD link doesnt use objects, thats rule nº1...
remember u couldnt use ANYTHING when transformed....

for the dash attack ike's one should work great, since its a heavy move ^^


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Tormod on May 26, 2011, 03:58:41 PM
Yeah the goal is to eliminate all the other items with other moves. I'm gonna scratch the hookshot too and give him a regular grab.


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: BlueBrain on May 27, 2011, 05:37:05 AM
*cough*sword*cough*grab*cough*

yeah, i said sword grab...
like the sephiroth psa, it looks awesome ^^

if u make the animations i can try to psa them...


Title: Re: Fierce Deity PSA Colab?
Post by: Tormod on May 28, 2011, 06:20:48 AM
Alright, I'll get working on that as soon as I finish release my current project.