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Again I start with a story. Not as long as Askarus' one:

In Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn is following ending story:
Ike: He was never seen after that. Some say he did a journey in a far country with his closest friend.
Soren: No one knows where he went on after the battle. It's told he went on a journey with the only one he ever trusted.
Now we know where both of them went on: SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL.
The greatest challenge for every fighter. After long studies and concentration, Soren, too reached Ike's ultimate power to join Brawl. Ike got it from the goodness and Soren from training. It's always said: What you train yourselve is better than what you get. Soren now even don't need books to do magic. He is became the most powerful mage of his time.
NOW HERE HE IS:
THE MAGE WHO TRUSTS NO ONE EXCEPT IKE AND HIMSELVE:
SOREN

See Updates and download below.



(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1953/sorensortdevent.jpg)

(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2953/sorenq.jpg)


He can change between the three elements he can use in Fire Emblem: Wind, Thunder and Fire.
You do this by using the taunts.(UP Wind/ Side Thunder /Down Fire)
In the beginning it's difficult to control because of not moving right or left but forward and backwards.

WIND:

B: Rexcalibour
It's a big tornado

Side B: Blizzard
It’s an Ice Storm which freezes and lasts as long as you push B

Down B: Wind hand
It moves forward pretty fast(it's like a shot).
If it hits an opponent he gets griped and hit several times.
Maximum is 9 and every hit does 1% damage.
If  Soren uses this in air he can glide down slowly and jump really far(you have to push down B Fast. As long as you do it, you glide. if you stop pushing it, you will fall as normal.).

Up B: Hover or I like this expression more: Wind wa(l)ker.
You can move freely in air with the control stick and end with R. If you start on ground you won’t fall disabled when you end animation.

Wind has very fast attacks.
It’s good to combo or hit the opponent a lot.
It has very low knock back and can hardly kill enemies.


THUNDER

B: Thoron
first thunder makes a wall in front of you.
After a while a thunder explosion hits all enemies standing on the ground.

Side B:Tripple Thunder Wall
A wall of thunder appears in front of Soren .
It lasts long to make this attack and it does only 5 damage but it lasts longer as it seems to.

Down B: Thunder Shock:
It’ the strongest thunder attack.
It’s a shock in front of his hand

Up B: Thunder Speed
It’s similar to Fox's Up B.
You can fly in any direction.

Thunder has some weak and some middle attacks.
It has the best air attacks of Soren.
Most attacks have good distance, too.
It’s good when you fight more players.

FIRE

B: Bolganone
At first two fire balls fall down.
They will burn ground and make an earthquake.
After some time a huge explosion will kick out everyone with more than 40%.

Side B: Meteor
A falling down Fire Meteor appears in a middle distance in front of Soren.
It has middle knock back and middle size.

Down B: Fire Shield
[It doesn't hurt enemies but has super armour.
That means you get damage but no knock back.
It's useful if you can't escape an U-Smash. Try out for what it's useful.
If you use it in air there is no shielding effect.
It's the same as Wind but the other way round.
You fall down faster.
I don't know everything it's useful for.
Perhaps you can jump and than use this to land fast and surprise your opponent.

Up B: Fire Transporters
This is the simplest of Sorens Up B.
It only brings you up but does good damage to opponents standing close to you.

Fire is the element with the most knock back.
The attacks come slowly but without fire you will hardly kick someone out.

Soren has learned how to use the elements without books.
That means he needs no time to change between elements.
You can move straight after making a taunt.
Element switching needs (nearly) no time.
That means you can use every attack-equal which element-any time.
To be perfect with Soren you have to learn that switching elements does not need time.
I know it's hard because Zelda/Sheik and pokemon trainer need very long time to do this.
You can change element even if the opponent is close to you.

In Fire Emblem you can do a critical hit.
Here the neutral b attacks can do a critical hit.
If you push B and than leave it Soren does the attack normal.
If you leave B pushed down you can see after a while Soren changing animation.
there he concentrates to make a critical hit.
You can now leave B any time and make the attack.
The longer you let pushed it down the stronger is the attack.
If you charge Fire B (Bolganone) full it is a one hit kill.

One last thing:
The ultra smash:
Soren begins with that cool down A animation.
While this he makes a time stop in front of him.
He get’s a sword of light and makes a one hit KO.


Finally the downloads:
First the texture
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5WJ2X4ZF (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5WJ2X4ZF)

And now the long expected PSA hack:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?5zzyy1xzyjd (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?5zzyy1xzyjd)

Here you can download version 3:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nlmzyyhnnok (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nlmzyyhnnok)


Here's the new texture from SHIROYU:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7MGUK6DK (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7MGUK6DK)

Now I ask you:
Please comment it.
If there's only one single unfair attack: Post it. He shoul be a fair character.
If you don't understand something: Ask
Criticise me.
And most of all: LIKE HIM AS I DO

Here three demonstration Videos from KAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLhdwkBvhY His moves in training mode(Forgot to show his Final Smash sorry)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZA79UxJZGM Classic Mode run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96tQEIcm-zo And finally the SSE Run

Here you can download Version4:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yz3yjyhgili (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yz3yjyhgili)

Version 4X changes:
Throwing effects
Back throw throws a longer distabce
Up tilt is Poison instead of reflect

Here is the download:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3n5whxmf2om (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3n5whxmf2om)



Now some thanks.
First to ELDRIAN who gave me the super armour event and the flag which hits everyone standing on the ground.
Little thanks to UNTOUCH'S shadow marth(i took a very little look on the final smash).
And of course biggest THANK YOU to SHIROYU to make the texture.

You...are...AMAZING!!!!

HOLY. [censored]. o.o

AWESOME ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

I LUV THIS PSA SO MUCH!!! Great job Mr. N, I hope to see some more EPIC PSA's from you in the future =D

You Did a Hell of a Job. This Is Amazing!!!!!!!!!

I love you for this!

*replaces maths moveset* btw how did u get rid of marths sword. mdl0 file hexing?

Removing the sword was simple.
Only two codes.
It was my intention to make the hugest hack ever. I hope I did it.
Soren is not complete now.
So please give feedback.
(I know it´s too early for expecting this. But don´t forget.)
I even haven´t made real tests. I do it tomorrow.
Please leave lots of coments. Soren should be perfect and huge but fair.
Help me.
Say what you like and what you don´t like.

I Like It All But I noticed That Your Side Smash Up and Side Smash Down Do not have Hit Boxes. idk if thats intentional or not. But Side Smash Middle works Fine Which is what most ppl use.

EPIC!!! this soren is better then e-marth

I normally don´t use the side smash up ou down. But now gave me some new attacks I can do.
I anyway wanted to make a second release.
I will than change them, too.
But first I will do play and enyoy Soren.
I think I have only played him about half an hour.
I was only working.
(Be sure. I WILL GO ON WORKING)

I think I know a way to make the wind green. Add a flash overlay code to the gfx and choose a high value for green (If you know the exact color #'s that would work too)

At least that's what I think it does =p

It's not gone, it's where all swordsmen put their sword...

Anyway, this moveset's nice. Quite fun actually.

I dont post much (or at all) but this has to be one of the best marth moveset hacks
Im gonna dl now

Can't wait to try the not so long awaited PSA. ;D

Enjoy.
Perhaps you will get some surprise.
There are a lot of attacks I haven´t explained.

Wow, I hope I do get surprises, and 3 different move sets in one character, that's HUGE.
Edit: Know what would be epic? A ghost rider PSA. Lol.
Edit: This PSA is awsome, not overpowered at all, balanced and fair just like you said. :af2:

dude seriously... i just came back from school and i find three badass pacs right off the back. You have made this the best monday ever...

Wavedashing with Wind Soren's Up-B is pretty fun lol

Awesome moveset.

I'm sure you've mentioned before that it may be uncomfortable to use, and i kind of agree. I do want to use this character, but it just feels a bit odd right now. This character has great moves, such as the Air Element (Neutral B). This character probably has the most moves out of any other PSA's out there (that i've seen). You definately did a great job, but at this moment, I cant help but make myself continue using Shadow Marth. It's really unfortunate that I cant use both, because i'd really want to =/
There are some moves that feel a bit... (I dont know a better word to describe this in..) "tiny." or "small." At the moment, the movesets just feels uncomfotable to use (just my own opinion though). Some attacks mostly feels like it does nothing either. But I am looking forward to future updates. I'll definately try those out for sure! =]

Great job on the PSA~

Too sexy defenetly downloading
Amazing job fitting 3 movesets in here

I tested him out, and I got to say, I didn't really like it all that much. There's a lot of potential, though. You just really need to fix some things.

I found every move for wind to be either useless or broken. Overall though, it's omega broken, even with having less killing power than anything I've ever seen. It's literally impossible to get hit because the moves have such crazy range and almost zero lag. Not only that, I did a 16 hit fair combo with him in training mode. IN VBRAWL. I don't know how you managed to make a move with that much combo ability, but it needs to get fixed. Bair is just as bad, if not worse when you wall of pain it. 3 bairs in one sh, with range like that? Even if it is only 5 damage, it's crazy, after taking into account it has just as much combo ability as fair. Also, none of your aerials have landing lag. You might have done that by accident, if so, the way to fix that is by setting RA-Bit[30]. If you land and that bit is set, you get landing lag. Uair, dair, and nair all seemed unusable, especially with fair and bair as alternatives. As for the ground moves, the jab was too good, the tilts were pretty much useless, and the smashes had way too many IASA frames. As for the specials, neutral B and side B were crazy, and not in a good way. Down B was alright, but if you're not playing 1v1, it just invites someone else to attack you if you hit someone. Up b was okay, but a bit hard to control. If I got used to it, it might be good, but I'd just as soon want it to respond to the control stick instead.

As a final note, it seems like the GFX were a bit weird looking, you might want to put something in the random offsets and rotations for the graphic effects.

I'll get to the lightning and fire later.

Definitly not a balanced brawl character.

I noticed that whenever you use B in midair and you land before it's complete, the graphical effects for... Rexcaliber, was it? Well, the big tornado thingamajig. And he's not very balanced; I had a few test runs with him against a friend and he kinda pwned a little too hard. :P

 :happy: -downloads-

To UMPO:

Please excuse the air attacks.
They were made really fast. I only want the ground moveset complete. I know they are nearly useless.
I don't like neutral B and side B how they are, too.
I definitly will change them.
I know the problem with down B but I won't change it. It's one of my fafourite attacks of him. You don't have to use it if you don't play 1Vs.1. He has enough other attacks.
Last argument to defend me:
Wind should not have any killing power.
For that you have the other two movesets.
Why do you think have I made the changing so fast?
He has no three movesets. He has one big.
(I know it's the hardest thing to learn that you must switch attacks.
Thank you for analysing Soren and giving a honest answer.

To all others:
Some of you say he is not balanced.
Is he to strong or to weak?

To FiaskoNinja:
I know it and will change that.

Now I'm finally going to start making tests myselfe.
Don't forget: This is a very early version.
I only wanted to give you the download for the ground character.
If you work together with me and go on giving me hints where mistakes are, this will be a great character.

THANK YOU FOR EVERY REPLAY.

I realized that, and it's actually a very good idea. The problem I have is you don't have a reason to switch out of wind. Even though you're killing at well over 200% with his low-knockback moves, he never gets hit because some of his attacks leave no opening and have huge, disjointed hitboxes.

Name me the attacks.

I´ve tested him now a bit.
My impression is:
He can make verry fast damage but even with fire he hsa no good knockback move. They are all very slow.
My oppinion is that he´s a bit weak if he has more than one opponent.
I don´t see Wind as strong as you do.
The airf and aird can do about 16 damage. You can push one out of the stage but don´t do utopical damage.
Rexcalibour(tornado) is nearly useless.
If it doesn´t mind please comment the other attacks like you did it with Wind.

I loved him.
Can i call him sasuke? cuz most of his lightning moves and fire moves looks like something that sasuke would pull off. Even with the wind, if you do his running side A it looks like hes doing chidori. Most if not all of his lighting based attacks looks alot like some sorta chidori type move.

His wind up B takes some time getting use too.
I found some glitches though. When you do his wind regular wind move on any stage that has a hill instead of the wind tunnel goin up it goes to the side. Its pretty cool, cuz it adds on to the range of the move. Its almost unstoppable when done on a hill, cuz they cant get close, if they touch the wind GFX they get hurt and if they try to jump over they get hurt.
Its a perfect move to do when your fighting more than one person.

I love his side B fire type move.
His regular B move is done way to fast, dont get me wrong I love it but i wanna atleast give the person sometime to try and fight back. And it kills way to fast, if the cpu health is at zero and I catch them with that move its an instant death (even though you did put that).
Other than that i gotta say hes OKAY. He's fairy balanced. He now also kinda reminds me of regular ike. He has alot of weak moves that do little damage. But then there also is his strong side that will kill you.

First:
You may call him as you want but not if you talk with me about him.
Soren is my most liked character ever(Not only in Brawl. Of all video games.).
If you see sasuke in him take a sasuke texture and play him that way.
I want you to have fun.
If you like sasuke more than Soren(it is impossible for me) play sasuke.

To the B glitch:
I know that before.
Why not leave this way?
Try it on the SSBM Yoshi level. This looks fun.

With the balancing I agree in evry aspect with you.
He is not overpowered.

Would you mind adding a way to switch movesets in the air then?

Best.
PSA.
Ever.

To Kenji:
I don't understand what you want to say.
Of course I will change(ana have) change air attacks.
None of them has good knockback.
Please explain it a bit more.

To 1ce1223:
That's what I wanted to hear.

He is unbelievably overpowered. If you honestly think this is a balanced character, I'm going to blunt and say you need to learn to play better.

I just got done fully testing lightning, and it's almost as bad as wind, I think. The jab was really good, maybe not broken good, but still very useful. Utilt and dtilt were, again, pretty much useless. Ftilt was a bit too good, the range was beyond necessary, and didn't hit right next to you. Fsmash was reasonably balanced, maybe even a little too weak. Usmash was weird, the first hitbox appears before the lightning does, and the damage was a bit too high for such a quick hit, but the range was good. I suggest putting the first hit right when the lightning strikes, and use the second lightning strike as a sourspot (PSA characters need more sourspots, this doesn't just apply to you). Dsmash was nice, I wouldn't complain if you didn't change it, but a little more knockback wouldn't hurt. The aerials weren't as bad as winds, but they could still use a little changing. I don't know what the heck is going on with nair, but it's range is too big and it's gfx are even bigger. The knockback doesn't serve any purpose until around 200%; you should increase the BKB to fix that. You should keep fair the way it is, but get rid of the multihit effect. Bair has too much range, it's way too easy to wop with it, even with the ending lag, which isn't even a problem if you land because of the lack of landing lag. Uair and dair were really good, but the direction they send the opponent seems a bit weird. The specials were wacky. Neutral B was weird, overall I'd say it's a somewhat balanced move, but there's no need for the final hit to hit someone on the other side of freaking New Pork City. Tone that down, it isn't Bolting. Side B was probably the most broken move in his entire moveset, the other two elements included. The range on it, the almost instant hit, and the ability to cancel it right after any hit besides the first into anything else, including another side-b, made it pretty much impossible for anyone to get close. You need to add more start-up lag to that move. It's hard to hit with down B, but it really pays off if you do, so it's reasonably balanced. Up B, once again would be much better off with control stick input, imo. As for what it does, I think you should get rid of a good portion of the buildup, and make going forward or backwards a little more useful for recovery. On the ground, he seems to get a boost to those two directions, which can often send him shooting off the stage.

Overall, he's really overpowered. The main move you need to fix is side b. That has incredible range and hits almost instantly. I found myself using pretty much just that, and there was almost no way to get around it. Even though it can only be used on the ground, if they tried to approach over top of the range it gets I just simply ran from where I was and controlled the area they landed with it. It got to the point where I was only using that, and occasionally ftilt and bair. A bunch of the other moves should get buffs, too, to prevent people from only using three attacks out of the entire moveset you built.

Now, I know you're going to say that to balance this out, he has no kill moves, but there really is no way out of his offense. Don't even try that excuse.

As a final note, this time the graphics weren't bad, but just too large in some obvious cases. I know he's supposed to be "the greatest magician ever" and all, but could you make them a suitable size for brawl? Also, the SFX were just plain bad. You need to add more subtle sounds, such as the rustling of clothes or the swoosh of arm swings. He moves as quiet as a ninja half the time. Not only that, most of the hits were slashes instead of electricity.


(By the way, I'm pretty sure what Kenji meant was to give Soren a way to go from lightning to wind or whatever in the air)

I have to agree about side B with you.
The up Smash I wanred to change,too.
Again nice that you did it and write such a long post.
Only a little thing to add:
I don´t want him to be the greatest magiciain ever, It´s my oppinion that Soren is the best character in Fire Emblem. He is my absolut favourite character. Because of this I wrote best magiciain ever. It has nothig to do with the moveset or Brawl.

This is correct.

Woo, I totally didn't see this topic. Anyway, I'm copypastaing what I posted in the original topic.

Okay, I updated the Soren texture and stuff. Sorry for the delay, I've just been busy with school and the hospital and crap.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7MGUK6DK

Unless if asked (or complained to) otherwise, consider this to be the final version.

If you want, I can make a video showing the new moves and stuff and put it on YouTube.

Edits: I might try making a CSP as well.

Yay for edits: Do you want me to change the sword back to normal? I changed pretty much all of it so that it looks like part of his belt like you requested, but after reading your post I'm just not sure if the sword should be brown anymore. <_<

Actually I could try to give the sword a more original design, if you want.

Mind if I do that? :3

Not at all, go for it.

I have not complained.
I only asked when the texture ir ready and if I even get one at all.
I would be glad if you make a video but not now. He is too unready.
My testing is over. Now I will fix the things you criticised.
I had no time to test the texture yet but great that you did one further.
(What is a CSP?)

Its the portrait that appears when you select a character, you can also make battle portraits which are the pictures of the character that appear near the damage % during a match.

Would be absolutly great if you will make that(Can you change the name, too?).
This new textuer looks good.
I'll leave the sword how it is.
You even made the sign on his head(not 100% correct but good work).
(Perhaps you can turn the right side so that it doesn't look like an M. You needn't. Only if it doesn't take long and you like to do it. Doesn't matter if you don't.)

Th main thing I've changed now in thunder side B so that it looks very different, has not such a huge rage and is very much fairer.
I'm now mainly changing the sound effects because UMOP complained about them(I thoughed this would not have high priority because you all use the NTSC version.).

I want to change Wind Side B, too.
It should not last so long and not hit so often.
Should I do this?

I agree with most of the criticism that UMOP postet.  Other than that, this character's beautiful. I love how you put the animations of Marth into what they are now. He's just like a real magician, Close combat attacks aren't as good as long ranged attacks and Spells.
I really like all the effects, too, but, seriously, tone that Fire B Move down a bit... It's damage is a bit too high, since you can start casting it in the air, land, and then immediately use it, and the knockback is too deadly. The size of the explosion makes it's hitbox look a LOT better than it is, so you can easily get confused and miss(Hurts when I look back on the fight against Kyzon Link. I tried to cast B, I missed because I couldn't spot the hitbox, and you know what happens if a magician it too near on a fighter :UMUSTDIE:).

To the Fire B move: Tone down the damage a bit, decrease the Knockback, fix the size of the explosion.

Overall, it is really nice work.

This little hitbox from meteor disturds me, too.
I planned to make it like you said, before.
Of course one of the most important thing to change is that you can´t une neutral B in air and make this deadly hit so fast.
First I try to make the sound effects.
I did tbe air attacks today.
Forward air A and backwards in wind are now a bit slower.

I got some time before the suggestion to make a green flash overlay effect on wind. I tried it out but didn´t wort. I made the green parameter to 100 and left all the others 0. Did I something wrong. Do I have to put in over or under the graphic effect?I tried both.

I would have done that, but with Marth's face texture, it's basically mirrored for both sides. Most textures use mirroring, it's quite annoying.

Oh, and even though some moves do seem either overpowered, underpowered, or just weird to control, I found this to be INCREDIBLY fun to use, and one of my favorite PSAs ever.

I did find two glitches though. In the fire form, pressing B in the air has him charge normally, but nothing happens until he lands, in which it does the Rexcalibur animation with no hitboxes. If you hold B in the air, when he lands it pretty much just does the ending animation of Bolganone, with the same hitboxes, but with a muchly enhanced knockback, killing at 0%. It's quite easy to spam this.

A minor complaint also, but recovery is just weird. For wind and thunder forms, I find it hard to control since you can't do diagonals, and with the thunder form, you need to be quick to get it right, otherwise you'll just whiff it. The fire form's up B I feel is just too slow, and would also benefit from directional input. It's fairly easy to gimp this.

Ok if it´s impossible it doesn´t matter. It´s only a detail.
This Neutral B in ain glitch i do still know. I will remove neutral B completely.
The overpowerd ur underpowerd moves will be corrected.
I would immediately change the up B wind and thunder controll to controllstick but as far as I know it´s impossible. First there in no controll stick button id. This would be no problem because I could make a D-pad controll. My biggest problem is that I work with the move character code. This cobe doesn´t work with move right or left it works with move forward or backwards. So if you face right and push D-pad right you move right dut of you face left and push D-pad right you move left. So this would be even more complicate to move. If someone can give me a "if facing right/left" event it would be no problem to make D-pad controll.

Would you mind if the actual picture was used (You know, the picture of the REAL Soren)? Or do you want the texture you made to be the portrait?

ah well done

If you can use the real soren it would be great.

Lol, there are most of those. ^-^

Requirement 09 is Facing Right, Requirement 0A is Facing Left.

Also...

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=246651

Check out this thread for D-Stick commands.

Hope this helps ^-^

DL him again ill let you know how he improved

Game dynamics has not changed.
He only should be fairer and have right sound effects.

Can please someone give feedback about my changes.
And what´s with the CSP.
Is Soren now fairer.
Please answer.

Well, it is easier to recover, outside of the fire form. You said that there's now sound for most of the moves, yet I found there to be only sound for some. Also, I can't remember which ones exactly, but some moves have rather awkward hitboxes.

The insta-bolganone (landing while holding B in fire form) still kinda breaks him...

I know thar with Bolganone but I still haven´t changed it.
Nearly everv attacks have sound eccects. Only 4 or 5 not.

This is awesome! But you should put the dash and F-tilts back in without them it can get annoying to control :l

Here's the Soren CSP. Good, or no?

(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/AEONShadow666/Soren-1.png)

Battle Portrait.

(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/AEONShadow666/SorenSmall.png)

Download (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ziyzhzm5zmz)

The big one is perfect, but I can't get the small one to work.

Check the info folder for the .brres. Erase the period before the numbers. BPs work fine for me.

when you say codes, im assuming that ur not reffering to the gecko os codes right? if so, my ganondorf which requires a code would be tremendously happy  :ganon:

No I don't refferto gecko codes.
When you check out my my Soren you should take a look to the OTHER section.
There are two codes which appear in every sub action.
That's the codes I'm reffering to.

hmmm he's pretty difficult to use i've noticed.  but still very fun.. he's probably difficult because i didnt practice tho. but i love where you're going with him tho..

I'd say that a few attacks have HUGE graphix that can overall be a bit distracting but its all good :)

Lol wow this PSA is attracting some great PSA maker's.

Thank you for the compliment :) If you keep it up I'll give you my hurricane spin for link and toon link (lol small hint for my next PSA characters)
On topic: The neutral B attack is a little over powered it would be best to put in more attacks and decrease the range of most attacks from the wind and fire attributes :D

I'm working hard on it.
The sid B Wind is nearly completely changed and I think much more fairer now.
I now added a neutrel B attack in air so that he doesn't that killing bolganone so fast right after landing.
I now beginn with the last tests of it and begin now with side B(Strange that noone complained that it has no effect when it's uned in air. It will have simple but nice attacks.
The greatest change is that I added for every side smash the up and down part. They will be complete different(most of them) to the normal side smash.
Expect the next days a huge new release wit a lot of new attacks and fixed the most unfair attacks.
One last help you can do:
Noone wrot ebout the time stopp.
Is it unfair. I won't mind to delete it.
(You use it when you push the D-Pad button which element you still use).
Would be great when someone can give short replay about this.

oh yea i didnt know what stopped time. i was confused.
but yes thats pretty unfair. especially in brawl + due to the physics messing up when that happens :(

I love this moveset! the only thing is that he's hard to use in a real battle. with his down tilt being absolutely nothing, and his up tilt being almost nothing, your left with neutral a, side tilt, running attack, and smash attacks.

I really love the specials, they're almost too perfect! except you do need at least one special per element that isn't really powerful.

You have to use the up and down tilts that way:
With down you can charge up.
First you can teleport with up in wth direction you like.
Than you have to down tilt to charge it again.
When you tilt down two times you can move visble and hit the enemys you touch.
Every down tilt swiches between teleport and attack.
I like that(in my update controlling will be with controll stick, not with A and B.
I don't know why noone likes this. I think it's quite usefull and you have enough other attacks for offense. This is an tilt which is mainly used for defense. Why not. Is something new.

lol I didn't know that was how you teleported XD But either way it shouldn't leave you completely open...add small effects on it and it will be good :)

I tried to do PSA< too confusing, xD, so idk what you  mean by that, I think you might either mean the code, or a beta, I'm not sure.

lol, I can't even get psa to work. It just pops up with an error message when I click open :P

I meant as in a first make of the hurricane spin that works which I made lol Its unfinished so you can't move link around in the hurricane spin yet and I haven't added the reflecting attributes to it either so its in its very early stages the ones I won't release to anyone unless people who compliment me or want to help me finish it quickly lol

*bump*

Back to topic, please.

My Soren now has a lot of new attacks.
Please comment them.
Now I only want to make changes in game dynamics or make attacks fairer. You can help me with this now.
But first only test him out and say your oppinion to my changes.
THANKS TO ALL ANSWERS

can you pleasy post the link here again? it looks like the other one ist broken or something else

Ho, man, such a silly mistake.
Because of all those pictures I made an immage link instead of an hyperlink.
Good that you said it.
I've repaired it.
But at all here's the link too:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nlmzyyhnnok (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nlmzyyhnnok)

Lol reminds me of avatar ness!

How?

i played him a bit and think its a great character, good how he put a magician into brawl.MR.N will most likely change some of sorens attacks, but at now even if he is overpowered , i think it's fine this way. if any character can be too broken it is a magician. after all, if he won't give soren nearly every ettack great distance and sice he is not overpowered.
by the way, i still don't get the up and down tilts

The new version of sorren is balanced really well :D its AWESOME :af:

Please decide. Is he now balanced or overpowerd. In my oppinion he´s in no way overpowered.
Why are there so less replays about my update?

in my opinion, this character is great! but alot of the non-special attacks lack... variety. the fire one is a great example. most of his air moves are just another fire orb... not a big deal though.

whatt he said ^

And your Op needs to be edited, the post is so big that it cuts everything off from beyond the picture of Ike and soren fighting near the bottom

Edit it so its smaller or extend it to another post or something

wind style feels a bit lacking to me still but the other two are amazing

Pretty freakin' epic! :D But yeah, your post is WAY too big. Make it a bit smaller :3

Revamped the Soren CSP.

Marth: Soren REVAMPED by Shadow

(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/AEONShadow666/Sorenrevamped.png)(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/AEONShadow666/Sorensmallrevamp.png) (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?5xriyl5zfii)

The white is not noticeable in-game.

Cool Shadow, I know how to use CSP's now.

Oh boy I was really affraid Kitty Corp wuold be down forever.
It's back and me, too.
I worked very less on Soren's final update because the page was down for abput a week and a lot of work at school.
Now playing makes sence again.
I need your oppinion for some little things:
1:Should down B Fire be reflecting or make him completely invincible?
2:I will change his up and down tilts. Is it unfair when he can disappear with down A and is completely invincible. He will not be able to attack in this state but can move completely.
3:He is so huge and even I don't have infinite Ideas. If someone has suggestions or wishes for the up tilt he's welcome to say them only request: it should not be an ordinarry attack.
I will make the post smaller the next days.
WORK GOES ON

Can you please give me the codes to make Marth's sword invisible?

PLEASE

Add these Offsets and values to every sub-action you want to have the sword gone in.

18000100 - 6
0B000200 - 2 - 1
0B000200 - 1 - 1

Also, would anyone know how else to find what values remove other characters body parts? I'm sick of trail and error.

OK you took my 0 Sub action.
I already wrote him a PM.
Tha first code is definitly not nececarry.
From the other two I think it's only one.
I used all three, because I was too lazy to tet out which is the right one.
If you don't know: You can't delete the sword, you can only put it in the sheith.
Can someone please answer my questions.

well you want fire emblem based attacks right then how about maybe shine or heal for his uptilit(light attack)
and a darkness spell that can either poison an opponet and take continuois damage or drain health back from them. for the down tilt

Nice that you answer but I vad my own ideas yesterday.
I will do two attacks with stiicks like healers use them.
One will be reflecting and the other will make the opponent fell asleep.

Nice :af: He needs a good reflect attack :af2:
I also like the sleeping idea lol

I'm ready now.
Today or tomorrow will be the (I hope) final update.

sounds awsome cant wait

oh also are you going to make it so soren can change elements in the air too?

I can name all changes yet:
1: Elements can be changed in air
2: Up tilt makes enemys fall asleef
3: Down tilt is a reflecting barrier(should I make any hitboxes or body collissions)
4: Soren had still the sword while stabding on a cliff or passing through small platforms. I     fixed that.
5: Only a very little change: The up-side-tilt had no sound effect. I fixed that, too.
6: Down B Fire has now BodyCollission1 instead of SuperArmour. That means he now can block projectiles, what was important for me, but takes no damage.
7: I don't know whether it is new or whether I made tihs at my last update: I got complains about boring air Fire graphics(always fire orb). I changed them into better ones.

This should be evrything. The main change of course are the up and down tilt. I have to test some little things today and perhaps I make the update today, too.

yeah i cant wait also do you plan to make any other FE characters in the future

OMG I hope version 4 is as awesome as the other versions and I also hope I can finish my Falco so it can be able to be as great as this PSA character :af:

your making a falco?

Yes I am making a falco but I haven't got the final smash to work perfectly and the side smash graphics are way off...  (Its blood falco look on the first page)

on topic: I tested it and its awesome one of the best PSA out there :D

While quite cool, Soren is incredibly broken. Moves like the Utilt especially. Also, what does Dtilt do?

Down tilt reflects projectiles in version 4 but you need the right timing.

You don't really need the right timing. It lasts as long as you push A. It's about 5 seconds.

To the question for Fire Emblem Characters:
I plan to make somewhere in the future a Micaiah hack for Zelda and a Sothe hack for Sheik.
The textures already exist.
But now I want to make an other character first. I won't say who he is yet. First I have to test whether he will work hor I imagine. You needn't ask. I will not say who he is.

Please comment my update a bit. Are there any attacks I have to change?

*downloads update*

Up tilt doesn´t reflect all the time it´s used. I will fix that soon.

love the new titls but the down tilt sometime doesn't refelect also would mould making it so the the flame sheild can be used in the air too. also when switching elements in the air their is more lag time then on the ground i dont know if you did this on purpose or not but it throws me off sometimes.

The elements switch in air as soon as you push the D-pad. Only the graphics are too slow. I couldn't fix that.
I think I wil do the Fire Shield in air, too. I have to think of a good graphic.

oh i see so thats why its seem laggy. also i pretty sure you wont but do you plan on changing the throwing animations. i mean nothings wrong with them but i think if you plan on making soren being a master sage all your attacks should be backed by magic. but its ok if you dont change it this is just my opinion

Fire shield Graphic= Sharp Point of flame in the center, not directly on his hand, with flames going towards his hand while spreading out like a shield spreads out. Hope I helped :D

I love Soren he's awesome in fact to help you I made 3 vids. Yes there's a black line but there's commentary and it shows Soren being used in SSE, Classic, and showing his moves off in training. You can use these vids for demonstration if you want(Kinda why I made them)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLhdwkBvhY His moves in training mode(Forgot to show his Final Smash sorry)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZA79UxJZGM Classic Mode run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96tQEIcm-zo And finally the SSE Run
Again sorry for the black line. I just want to help. Yes I'm a noob here but I linked this topic in the description. So if you want use the videos for a demo. Thanks for the awesome character!

do mind the line you did good

Thanks for the compliment, I try my best to have fun. Sometimes that means either being stupid or being skillful mostly being stupid XD

^I like him already!

i have a couple of replays but i dont know how to convert them from my SD card can anyone tell me

Replays only save movement, If there was a replay converter it would use Brawl's normal physic engine and normal Marth moves. I wish it wasn't true but it sadly is.

darn that sucks

I know it does. I think I know too much about Brawl and yet I'm such a noob XD!

man i need a camera of some sort

I was able to test this out yesterday, and it's definately better than the older version I tried before. I'm assuming at this point that the Up+Tilt for Fire/Electricity will have different effects rather than putting them to sleep? Because it only makes more sense to have it on Air, so that it wouldnt be repetitive, and air is of course the weakest element Soren has.

But what's bothering me the most at this point is how bright Neutral A-Air [Fire] is. It can somewhat hurt the eyes if you use it quite a bit.

Great job though, this is definately a big improvement from your first release!

I havent had the chance to test it too much because I was in a rush at that time, but i've gone through a good amount of testing with it (not fighting though). I'll be leaving him in my SD Card for now and see how my friends like it. The Up+Down Tilts give it more of a mage-like feel, so that's a good thing =]

EDIT: Ohh, so down tilt is a reflecting barrier? It's kind of hard to tell without reading it. Maybe you could all a shield-like animation along with the animation you already have, or something, i'm not sure. But people who first attempt to use this character probably wont know what it does.

i agree with different up tilits for each element. up tilt is suppose to be supportive magic right then maybe for fire you use up tilt to increase damage for a short amount of time. and thunder can icrease speed or something like that

that's not a bad idea, if it werent spammable. because what i think is that people would use it every chance they get, as in make an attempt to power-up everytime they get the opponent knocked back.

lolz i just had the funniest idea (well, the way i imagined it was funny). Soren using up+tilt in lightning element, and pulling out that lightsaber sword xD since the sword does look like it's made of lightning. [not a suggestion here, just a random thing that popped into my head while i was typing this] =x

omg that reminds me of Seiken no Blacksmith lolz

LMAO i would love to see a lightsaber spawn out of no where. and for the up tilt idea maybe there can be a charge time like you can only use it every 20-30 secs and its last for only ten.

Thank you, nice suggestions.
Forget the idea of making other attacks stronger with U tilt. I know how to do this but it is extreme long and I don't know how big I can make this hack. It's no problem to make a different U tilt for each element. But what should I do for them.
What's against the reflecting barrier?
My suggestion would be not to use the barrier magic from FE but the poison magic. I could make then a flower on the opponent's head. This will be the poison effect.
In FE is a paralyse magic, too. If I should make a magic you can switch through I can make time stopp to get this effect.
But what is then the third one?(no healing, please).

hmmmm i like the poison idea but for the third one im not sure but ill think about it

The idea I lige most is to leave the reflecting barrier a one tilt.
The other should have
Sleep in WIND
Paralyse in THUNDER
Poison in FIRE
This I think would be best.
Or I change the barrier, too in all three elements but they should have all an effect on Soren(like reflecting). What could I use for this?

what if you make them absorb what ever element the barrier is, like the fire down tilt barrier would absorb fire based attacks stuff like that. or you can just make the barrier look different for each element giving it a  different color or design. or one barrier to reflect one to absorb and the other to have super armor or just completly nullify projectiles.
p.s. when doing the poison for fire you not going to acutually put a flower there right. how about olimars fire pikmin animation when he attachs to someone to represent the poison or burn damage cause it makes a little more sense.

Do you think everything is so easy?
It's the flower that makes damage.
I can't do a character having constantly damage equal where he moves.

lolz the more i think about that beam sword coming out with the Up+Tilt, the more I like the idea xD

I mean, the thing about paralyzing someone is still relatively the same thing as putting them to sleep, because they wont be moving.

I'm not sure if you would agree with this, and i've never played fire emblem either, but having that same visual effect on up+tilt, and maybe a small electricity effect on the floor, similar to pikachu's neutral B, on both sides going outward, and when he pulls out the beam sword, add the slash sound of the beam sword, and have him holding it. This will allow soren to use a sword through magic lolz xD

(i'm not sure how much of that is actually possible though, or if it even makes sense.. but visually in my head, i like it)

This is verry easy to make as you deskribed it.
There is only one problem coming from me: I don't want him to create Items.
Perkaps I will spmetimes make an item character. He will only use and summon items.
I'm sorry this one is intended it be a "normal" character. Else I would make healing and items.

im sorry i didn't mean to sound rude.

It´s OK.
An other question:
Someone requested other grabs and throws.
Is that really necessarry? Why can´t a magiciain grab with his hands?
Pethaps i could mahe a extreme hi distnace grab.

I thought that's its fine that he can grab with his hands, but his THROWS are what should be modified, even if only slightly.

Is this really nececarry?
Isn't it too utopic to make this as magic, too?

I don't know what you mean by Utopic (Utopia?) but it'd be a nice touch if you added it.

Hmmmmm....
I will look what I can do.
If I change it I don´t make three elements. A magical grap and other throwing effects.

thats cool i would love too see that its a nice touch

there is a broken attack (I think that I tested the last version. not sure)... when soren use the fire element, he can use the neutral B on the air and release it just before landing to unleash the attack instantly.. it is really easy to use and land.. and DEADLY.. so please look after that.. the other thing is that many of the attacks just put too much preasure on the shield.. breaking it very fast (wind element, down-B for example).. the rest is SO AMAZING!! XD.. nice work

I know this neutral B is a problem but ti couldn't fix it. I'll try it with RA-Bit[30] perhaps it works then.
You're the first one who mentioned a problem with Shield Damage. It will be no problem to fix this.

Now again to the up and down tilts:
I don't know why this reflecting doesn't work. The Defensive Collission is set since the start of the attack. Is there really such a big attack nececarry. I think my solution will be up- Sleep down-Pioson.

Don't expext to much from the throwing. It will be more a graphical play and I try to mafe them like Ness' one. High knockback, no combo or I'll mix this, we'll see.

The reflect does work... To me it worked but it was just hard to do :P
Its probably something with is size or its timing (not sure) but it does work....most of the time lol

Please comment my new Version 4X.
Reflecting is deleted.
My intention was to make reflecting as soon as you press down A and thid didn't work. It started some time after it.

YAY my vids are in the first post! Would you like me to make some more for Version 4X?

just wondering if you removed the download link with the previous down+tilt effect you had? because I kind of preferred having that visual effect =x

Sorry to trouble you again, Mr. N, but do you know the code to hit everyone standing on the ground?

Can you tell me, because it would benefit my WIP PSA a lot...

No problem:
Make a normal offensive collission wit FLAG:30010483
Now make Size 500.
It should hit everyone on ground.
The Flag hits only enemys staning on ground and Size is as big as every stage.

thanks for putting the link back up =]
i accidently replaced it when i tried the new version yesterday

i like the magical grip but when he does it is the sword suppose to show?

Yes.
His "sword" should be a magic stick of Fire Emblem (like healing).
If you look closer to up and down tilt he has his magic stick, too, because poinon and sleep are attacks form FE.

Which tilti do you like more the poison or reflecting?
I don't know whether I can fix the problem of not reflecting at once. I can't see the mistake.

hmmm i more towards the reflecting idea but if you decide to go with the poison. then just make the fire sheild reflect.

Helllo There! I'm new to this forum and Brawl Plus! I have a question for you Mr. N. I downloaded your Soren 4X Yesterday and it works perfectly fine, but when I added more textures like Roy, Soren pac stop working. I was wondering how I could fix this issue.

Edit: I don't know if i'm breaking any rules so please warn me if I am!

You can only use one PSA t the same time.

@ all who expect the last version 5:
I´m working on a new caracter and mka a release soon. I´ll promise an update after this.

WOW!

This is one awesome PSA.  It makes me want to abandon my own Marth hack v_v

My biggest complaint is that it's too hard to KO the enemy - I've only been playing with him for half an hour or so, but it seems like they get upwards of 200% before I stand a fighting chance.  I realize that the knockback is much higher on the Fire moveset, but there's a lot of lag on those and they seem awfully hard to land.

Of course, that could just be that I suck as a player.  ;D

They all want me to make a shorter post, so most description is missing. Wind and thunder have nearly no knockback. With Fire it should be not too hard.

Personally, I'd kind of like to see a "small-medium-large" kind of setup, where wind is fastest but least knockback, fire is slowest and strongest, and thunder is in between in both speed and knockback.  In other words, I'd like to see the thunder knockback increased, but not so much as to interfere with fire.

That's just my two cents, though - take it for what it's worth.  ;)

Sorry to zombie this topic
But this is one awesome character edit.
Just want to give props and see if there is ever going to be an update to this awesome hack.

DUDE! You should totally add an ice move! But if the character isn't supposed to have ice moves, then that's fine (I still like this moveset.) :)

I will do an update somewhen. Soren is my favourite character of all video games.
I have 2 other big projects nearly ready. After their release I'll update all my characters.
(Which characters I made will be a little secret)

Sorry, Fire Emblem has no ice magic. Soren has only Blizzard as an ice magic.
I was thinking about a 4th element. It will be knife and magic stick. These are Soren second weapons if he reaches a higher class.

Don't expect an update the next time. Perhaps I'll make "normal tilts" for Up and Down. No sleeping and poinson. I don't like that.

Oh okay, I've never played Fire Emblem so I didn't know.

It's OK.
I'm glad that someone remembers Soren.

Since this is up, I'd just like to say great job on this character! He's officially replaced my Marth. I love all the effects and everything. Though combining his sleep move and his fire move that insta-kills most of the time is a very lethal combo.  :srs:

Still amazing though!

As I saied: Sleeping will definitly be removed as soon as I find time for it.

I like this Idea. Id most likely use him a lot more... Your moveset replaced my Favorite Original one and its even on my favorite character who I thought Id never change his moveset. So Kudos to you.

TOO

MUCH

AOE!!!

Oh man, I'm just interested in knowing if there'll be a Vertex Hack for Soren, that'd be totally awesome!

Mr. Weegee already tries it.

Yeah, I'm working on a vertex hacked model + book, plus possibly a staff.

Sorry I haven't been able to work on it lately, I don't get much time on my vertex hacking (all-around better, since the one I'm using can't do much) computer lately.

It'd be great if in the future that Staff would become a Tome. xD (You said book already, forget this. xD)

Damn this is making me get into Vertex Hacking myself. :3

Is this Brawl+ balanced? Would love to try it.

yes it is :srs:

people are sad.

I don't have Brawl+ or Balanced.
It's normal Brawl.

It still works on the rest thought.

THE MOST EPIC PSA YET.

I turned his sword into a book.

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac258/Mr_Winz/sorenbook.png)

I'm gonna turn his sheathed sword into a staff now.

OMG!!!!

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/a/a7/PriestGBAIcon.gif)

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(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac258/Mr_Winz/sorenstaff.png)

I can't do textures, though. For the tome or staff.

Now onto the cape!

What's that? O_o

The FE staff that Mr.N wanted for Soren.

The above pic was the one he sent me to base it off of.

Oh ok it's a magic stick. Didn't understand what it was.

Tome is exactly as I want it.
Can he hold the staff in his hand in SpecialS1?
Great work.

Hair!Hair!Hair! Maybe you could use the Sephiroth Vertex' hair and edit it to Soren's from there.

Sounds good.

Where is the Stepiroth vertex hack, though?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=3420&Moderated=All

Which ever suits you the most, you'd still need to edit it a lot, thought, since it's too long and actually too straight I think.

Those links are both the same. XD

Wow, that hair's long.

One of the Links is a "supposedly update" of Sephiroth, I'm not really sur eif Hair was edited, but who knows, hope you get Soren to look alike, since it was a shame FE: Radiant Dawn had no MDL0s D:

Updated one just has an improved texture and fixed chest. Hair's the same.

I wonder if RandomTBush can make them into .mdl0's like those other things he did.

After all, I am working on some other manly man from Radiant Dawn to be in Brawl...but his model is only a texture.

Can anyone tell what some of these vertex groups are? They have such confusing names...

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=4198&Moderated=All

That one might help you more (Hair wise)

The costume froze.

...maybe you can ask an experienced vertex hacker, becuase I just learned.

The costume froze?XD

...for some reason, I think every texture that I've tried to change has frozen.

Hmm, try asking the top Vertex Hackers around, LookItsLink or Jack H could help you on that.

OK. I'll ask them.

Thought, so far, why not work on the already made Textures? (Book/Staff) you could probably get someone to texturize it the way you want those, I'd like to have that as a Soren Update :D

AMG!! SOREN!!! I never expected anyone to be working in this, amazing! first time I come into PSA section to find this! I'm trying this right ahead! ^^

To begin, I must say. BRILLIANT. Amazing job with the PSA: however... it seems a little overpowered (like Ike-Cloud).

Since there are a crapload of moves, I'll make a summary.

First off:

His standard, ground B-attacks... They... are completely broken (in the right situations, of course).

Rexcalibur - it spikes people who approach it from lower ground. e.g. you're on the very edge of a platform; you're going to spike anyone on the ledge. It may not be powerful, but it's constant. That brings me to the topic of ledge guarding. Just standing on the ledge and spamming Rexcalibur is brutal to all those who might try to recover.

Blizzard has a rather large range... making a counter attack from the front is just... brave (foolish).

Wind Hand is just... spammable to the point when you're keeping a good distance and doing a good 10 damage each bout.

SideSmash: You can actually spam a smash that gains ground? That's insane

Thoron: Geeze... this is pretty much a wall of electricity that tells people off the platform to stay off. It also hits everyone on the ground, ANYWHERE. That's just frightening and overpowered.

Thunder Speed: This is a spammable move that has a huge range and good movement. 15 damage/ use if you're well placed. Even if you're not, it's hard for anyone to get near you for an attack. It's just... ergh...


Bolganone: The charged one hit kill is just... It's superior to pretty much any attack in the game... Sure it takes a while to charge, but when it does, you're gone. If that wasn't enough, you have it on both sides, you're protected by explosions of brilliant proportions.

Fire Transporters: Almost 50% damage in a single use. That's just brutal. You might want to reduce the number of hits and increase the speed of it.



UpTilt: Sleep? Come on, that's just unreal. If you get it on an opponent with high damage, you just need to use it then use a Fire Smash to finish it.



Besides my complaints/QQing/bias, I'm a huge fan of the magemodding you did here. Nice work. I hope to see some more pieces from you (and possibly a V5 for Soren).

I don't find it OP at all, at first I thought he was, but later on I noticed HOW HARD was to get a K.O. I gotta admit he gets people to 200% pretty fast thought.

(I agree with the Sleep thing, too much imo.)

I want to make a Version 5.
Up and down tilt will be elemental attacks then.
Neutral B Wind will be better.
Thunder Speed and Fire transporter will get some update.
Definitly no changes in Thoron and Bloganone.
I can not say how long it will take because Aeon has to be finished first and I have to fulfill a character request.

......Perhaps I have a secret project already complete done on my computer and ohly haven't released it yet. Perhaps........

Brilliant. I eagerly await your next creations.

Although, Bolganone still irks me. I mean, a one-hit KO attack with no recoil and huge range. It's like a perfected Eruption.

In the end no one's willing to do this Vertex? D:

This is not the problem.
I don't cars about Soren at the moment. I'll have to complete Shadow and Aeon. Soren will be my next one. Perhaps I'll learn how to vertex on my own.
The next update has to have big changes. Soren was the second character I made. I got a lot more knowledge nad experience with BrawlBox and Smash Attacks. If I'll make an update he'll has to become the greatest magician ever. Better graphics. Better attacks (especially the Air specials Side and enutral have to be changed into much better ones). Better moves. Staff moveset. Holding a Tome.
He will get an update but first I have to do other things. Don't worry. Soren's still my favourite video game character.

I had a similar idea with the attack change by taunting, though I was going to add it to Zelda. I was planning on calling it either "Archmage" or "Maelstrom," and most attacks would be very similar to each other, though each fitting a different style.
This is pretty neat, I may ask for your advice once I get more familiar with the system.

I'll help you if you need me but let's do it with PM and not here.