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IM PROBABLY GOING SOLO WITH THIS (ALOT OF THE SUTFF I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE NEEDED HELP WITH IM GOOD NOW, SORRY GUYS, BUT I WILL STILL NEED ASSISTANCE ON IDEAS AND SOME MOVES I CANT DO JUST YET)!!!

I will be working on a moveset and need people to help out with it.

The idea of this moveset is that it will be 2 in 1. The start marth will be angel marth who has high combo ability, but almost no kill strength. When you press B, you will almost instantly transform into devil marth, who will be slower, have less combo potential, but be deadly when it comes to killing. This moveset will have awesome gimping ability too, angel marth will hit them off the stage to begin with, then you transform and kncok them off the stage with devil marth, the only down side would be getting back to the stage.

DEBATE:
*NEW* The attack will be called "Portal to death, hells gate". It will be devil marths Side B. You press Side B and marths entrace circle apears (rotated so you can see it front on) with 5 balls of darkness (like points of a star). The balls will be kept in the same place for up to 10 seconds (maybe 5?), if 10 seconds is up, they dissapear and nothing happens, but if you press Side B while they are out, 1 of 2 things will happen (depending on which gets picked):

1. Small dark balls apear to trace the dots and make a star, then WHAT THE SAKURAI!!!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOM, a dark explosion happens in the center of the star.

2. All the dark balls draw to the center and each once explodes.

Will be fairly strong, ok ledge guarding and good defensive/control.
Debate, too OP'ed, too cheap?

IDEAS:
ANY!!!

Progress:
All of Angel Marths B moves does a falco like Side B (but Up B goes up, Down B goes down etc).
Angel Marth can now gain light chrages with Dtilt.
SP Marth has 2 different jabs.
SP Marth can change between angel and devil mode with nB.

Whats Being Worked On:
Attribute changes during transformation.

God this sounds epic. I'm looking forward to this!

This sounds a lot like the Cecil I was going to make. D:

Oh well, the mechanics should be different enough.

edit: Nevermind

This sounds great! I've love to help out! Give me a shout on MSN if you want me.
(n64billy@hotmail.com)

pretty creative!

I have seen something with a similar setup, a fire/thunder rotation link. His biggest fault is of his lack of arrows, replaced by the move (with his down taunt animation) that changes the element. It would be better if you mapped the devil-angel move to a taunt, so he still has all of his tracks.

Other than that, this is going to be great!

@ igotsthepower9000

The point is that you can transform anywhere, and if it was mapped to a taunt, then you would only be able to transform on the ground

you may be able to make taunts happen anywhere... 
just remove all the codes from one and try to taunt in the air to see...
but idk

you're sure it's possible to make Marth slow, and make him fast by switching to angel?

its possible.. same as elemental marth... just have the slowdowns in a diff bit variable

Well i did it with walk speed, so why wouldnt i be able to do it with run speed? (have not yet tried coz im working on other attacks).

Still need people guys.

im not good with making split characters or else i would love to help

You dont have to make split chars, just a some moves and i will implement them. Ive got all the split character stuff down.

Still need people, people.

oh ok cool ill be glad to help then, :af:
you want me to make the dark or light personalitys attacks?

I could chip in now and then. It sounds like a great idea ^-^

Kewl, i will write out a map of what moves i need and post them on the front post. You can make them and upload them and i will credit people. This will surely be awesome.

That was an extremly early beta that I didn't finish cause there was no frame speed command at that time. The character wasn't supposed to play like Link, in fact I planned to remove all projectiles. Also I don't like the idea of adding functionality to taunts, the character should still feel like a smash character and in smash taunts are just taunts. (besides Kirby and Luigi but those doesn't really effect gameplay)


You can change the framespeed of each move based on the variable but the attributes will stay the same for both forms since I highly doubt there's a command that changes attributes.
The only concerns I have is that it could easily go over the file size limit.

Agreed, the file size limit is officially a big concern. :/

teh file size will be fine
it shouldnt be that hard

edit:ok nvm sorry vile i cant help you anymore... my bro took everything i needed to make/test characters sorry
i might be leaving the forum

edit2:ok nvm again lol ill be back up by tomorrow- a week...

I could help as well.

this moveset is gona be epic

i can help out if ya like

I don't quite understand what you mean by "Light Charge". Is it similar to Wisp's side B attack? And if so, then I'd say it'd be a pretty good idea

The only thing im afraid of is him being deemed to have too much recovery, its like a nerfed pikachu recovery x5 (depending if you have charged it).

Wellllll, what you could do is make a PSA hack of JUST that attack, and then release it to the public, and we'll make our judgment of whether or not its a cheap/broken recovery move.

Although, your description makes me believe it's easily spammable and cheap =P

Well each charge is generated by Dtilt, which is going to have a bad case of end lag, but wont be punishable if used correctly (like jab, grab, AA, Dtilt). The move wont really be cheap or that spammy, but it could cause marth to have way too much gimp skill. Ill try to nerf it as much as i can till its balanced.

wow sounds difficult

Ok, cool. And do you still need people to help figuring out the moveset or are you already done with that?

Actually its not really difficult.

thats cool

Well i will be needing help with some moves and ideas, so yes. Right now i mainly need ideas for devil marths specials.

Hmm, how about this for Devil Marth's Special's

Neutral B: Transform? (Idk the name you've given it) - Switches to Angel Marth

Down B: Hell's Inferno - Charges up for 2-3 seconds and then creates a small explosion that has a set knockback and decent growth. Can be released anytime once he's started charging for a smaller explosion that deals less damage and knockback. Can be done in the air as well, but it takes longer to fully charge it, but it is a meteor smash (With about the strength of C. Falcon's Dair). Not charging all the way, though does not spike, it also is smaller and deals less damage/knockback. And pressing the button and releasing it does little damage and just makes enemies flinch slightly, in the air it just knocks the closest enemies away in the opposite direction they're coming at you just slightly (except for straight down)
 
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Hmm, im not sure how to do that, i would have to have multiple variables and compares the way im thinking of it. Like have 3 stages of power, the first stage is charged instantly and the second stage is thorugh 1.5 seconds of charging and the final stage is the final release. I can do it, just not sure how i could make it effeicient. Maybe make the charge 5 seconds.

hey i got one for side-B
use the invis and movement momentum events make him move forward then when he re appears make him do his B-Air and shoot a decent range of explosions

Well I don't really understand PSA that well, to be completely honest its really confusing to me @_@ But I'm certain that you have the knowledge to make it a reality, because you were able to make devil marth switch between angel marth, and if that doesn't prove your ability to use this program then idk what does

Anyway, this is the Idea I had for the Side B, but his Side B attack includes his sword, and idk if SP Marth uses his sword, so just ignore it if it won't work for him

Side B Hell's Fury - Multi-hit attack that takes a while to execute, but can deal over 15% damage. First hit is the first attack of his neutral A combo, the slash attack, only its slightly faster, makes enemy flinch if at 50%+. Second attack is the down part of his normal Side B combo where he uses both hands to slash downwards, slow start up but does 5% damage if it connects, makes opponent flinch just enough that they can't escape the last attack of the combo. The third hit and final hit uses the final attack animation of his normal Side B angled up or down, depending on which angle the player chooses.

The final strike upwards deals heavy damage, like 7-11% it also creates a relatively small explosion if it connects, which can hit other opponents that are close to it. The explosion itself sends the opponent flying backwards just a little bit, and has little growth. If the opponent was hit by the sword, they'll go straight up, has weak base knockback, but great growth.

The downward finish though uses the normal Side B downward final strike animation where it hits multiple times, the start up animation is slightly slower though, so enemies can escape if they're at lower damage, but if it connects, it deals 2% per hit and creates a small explosion at the end (If the last hit connects). This explosion has the same characteristics of the upward finishing hit. The opponent hit by sword is knocked back at about a 35-40 degree angle away from the player and any opponent not hit by the sword, but by the explosion, will be launched like a meteor smash, with little knock back and but great growth

Probably could be used as a combo finisher.

Well since devil marth wont have any sort of combo ability (he will be like ike style) im not sure about that side B. Also that changing this is very simple. Im still relatively a noob to PSA, i have only been using it for like 3 days.

Dude, its only been out for like a month, even if you've only been using it for a few days, everyone's a noob with this software. (Except Phantom Wings, Phantom Wings can do godly things with this program)

Well its practically a simplified, GUI version of coding (sorta like game maker LOL, but still a bit harder). But it has no where near as many features as C++, you cant even map an X offset to a variable *angry awesome face*

I guess you're right, although I've never used Game maker, but I can kinda imagine, but, lets just say you're not a noob and move on. Besides, if you've used C++/Python at least once than you're a lot more experienced at this than I am

So my Side B concept won't work, eh, well what doing something like Echo Blade Sheik's Side Smash angled upwards, where she does a pose and a ball of darkness appears and Knocks the opponent back a ways, only replace the darkness with fire or an explosion that has the same knock back as the explosion in my scrapped Side B

Well i want something more special that hasnt really been done yet with PSA. Like i was going to have a dins fire esque move (but that didnt work out :(). And i wouldnt say im a noob, but i wouldnt say im a pro just yet.

Well I didn't mean it like that :( sorry

I was thinking maybe something like he would do his side A attack and a couple of small explosions would erupt in the air from the sword in a line, only it'd have a charging period of a couple of seconds (1-2). I was thinking his Down smash charge animation for 1-2 seconds and then transition into the f-tilt animation

Debate my new attack.

hmmm so can i suggest a move?

@Vile, Responding to the new attack

Sounds cool, but how does it hit the opponent? Do they have to run into it, or will the explosions be big enough to hit far away foes?

They have to be close to it.

And suggest away.

ok what subactions do you have left open
cause i would like to suggest a down or side B

I have tonnes of sub actions left.

alright

for demon ike

Side-B
use the visibilty event and character momentum make him go not to far backwards then reappear then use his special-B animation and make an explosion in the spot he was just in

Okai, 2 things:

1) Do you think my Down B attack is doable or at least a good idea?

2) I do like it, but could we get some pics just so that we know what it'll actually be, instead of what I'm imagining it to be (Which is probably gonna be wrong DX). It still sounds like it'll be an awesome Special attack though, but I'd add more attack possibilities so that attack is his big bag of tricks instead of just 2, making it kinda like the last-ditch effort attack or just something to surprise your enemy with.

Hmm i might use that, or a concept like that. What about teleporting in a held direction, then having 5 frames of invisibility, during those frames you can attack. All of demon marths attakcs will have more than 5 frames startup lag, so it should be a good move to use (ill make grab impossible during the invisibility).

Your Down B seems doable, i might use it, or something like it. Ill just have to see what other attacks get suggested.

alright

for demon ike

Side-B
use the visibilty event and character momentum make him go not to far backwards then reappear then use his special-B animation and make an explosion in the spot he was just iny

Down-B
make it like gannondorfs up tilt but a stronger and larger area magnet and make it hit in front and behind him

Could you draw a diagram of that Down B?

CRAP I PUT DEMON IKE LOL
sorry i ment demon marth but yeah... im a crappy drawer so ill see what i can do

very creative and very origonal. i love it.
i would try to make it obvious when hes in which mode. u can probably do this by making his sword glow, tint him, and some graphic while in angel mode, and fire on his steps, yellow final-smash eyes, and some graphic for the devil mode.
sounds amazing how you describe it. cant wait.

btw make sure the star is a pentagram!  >D

Do you have any texture ideas for this? I've had a few if you want me to try and make something up quickly tomorrow.

WHERE'S THE DOWNLOAD LINK!!!

He said this rudely but, is there gonna be a beta out soon?

I'm pretty sure this has been dead for a long time.

pardon the necro, but i'm wondering if this project is still being worked on? The thread is dead lol but w/e

You shouldn't be bumping topics.