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Title: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 21, 2010, 11:41:30 PM
Heyoooooo time for another rediculously overpowered sonic psa? Heck there's always time for another one! And this one is gonna be shweeeeeet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U7QxJ3Mayo

New moveset.

Neutral B: Fire snap: In smbz fire sonic snapped his fingers to unleash a burning fire of pain. This aspect was used to give birth to his new homing attack. you don't even need to be so close to hit!

Up B: Burning launch: A fitting new animation and none of his crappy spring. It also has a spike that does a bit of damage.

Down B: Cutting Edge: For the first few moments of charging you can damage your opponent. you also go into your Side B if you're still rolling and press b + control stick left/right

Side B: Burning punch: This move isn't as powerful as a falcon punch, but it looks nice (I'm actually still tweeking it)

Up Smash: Burning force: This new up smash draggs your opponent into a burning hellfire generated by sonics friction. This move is hard to time properly but is a good insta-ko after you've pounded the enemy some.

Final Smash40%complete will not be included in demo version download uppon release): Volcanic fire. Sonic unleashes a fire blast so imense that it covers the whole screen! Enemies are sent straight up with damage to sparre for a nice KO. Doesn't have much range though so use it wisely.

A Combo: A: normal a combo AA: A low kick to trip ur opponent. AAA: same as before.

Up A: An instant version of his old Up Smash that does some decent damage
Down A: An instant version of his down smash with a bit of damage.

Other changes: 5
1: He runs faster
2: He'll burn you and send you flying  a bit in the final version if you touch him while he's waiting, running, walking, or turning. (Doesn't include items)
3: badass graphics job setup by my partner in crime :3
4: Side taunt generates fire flower
5: Down taunt generates hothead.

Download will have acurate shoes but everything else in the vid is simi-final.

Planned changes:
Up smash to look exactly like Zelda's but with fire graphics
Down B hitbox loops as long as your charging instead of the first few seconds.
Multiple jumps (still can't figure that out yet. sonic just won't do it T-T)
Get new final smash to work XD
Up taunt to slow down time for more than six seconds -_-'''
Side taunt item replaced with secret attack idea. (once I get it working X_X)


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: ADJSonic on August 22, 2010, 06:15:38 AM
um i have an idea  erase Down B and put him snapping his fingers and then a giant fire pillar that extends to 1000 y axis.10% and low knockback and also invincivility frames.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: cyberdark on August 22, 2010, 01:44:19 PM
awesome moveset  NaruZeldaMaster


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 22, 2010, 02:28:12 PM
awesome moveset  NaruZeldaMaster

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why exactly sonic still goes into ball form instead of doing zelda's animation. on the upsmsh. On a further note I'm not sure why the charging attack doesn't work after the first time.

On a side note: His eyes and shoes are acurate in the actual dl once I get the final smash to work X_X


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: BlazingBarrager on August 22, 2010, 03:42:20 PM
um i have an idea  erase Down B and put him snapping his fingers and then a giant fire pillar that extends to 1000 y axis.10% and low knockback and also invincivility frames.
Yeah I second this. Also, you should make his B move a long-range attack like Mario's (or Luigi's) Fireballs. What's the use of having the Fire Flower power if you can't even utilize the old fashion Fireballs (Fire Sonic even uses these).


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 22, 2010, 04:30:18 PM
um i have an idea  erase Down B and put him snapping his fingers and then a giant fire pillar that extends to 1000 y axis.10% and low knockback and also invincivility frames.
Yeah I second this. Also, you should make his B move a long-range attack like Mario's (or Luigi's) Fireballs. What's the use of having the Fire Flower power if you can't even utilize the old fashion Fireballs (Fire Sonic even uses these).

Trust me, if I could I would, but you have no idea how complex sonics side and down b are X_X;; I'll try and see what I can do, it probably won't be a mario fireball though.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: ADJSonic on August 22, 2010, 06:29:48 PM
welll then what about B.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 22, 2010, 06:51:24 PM
welll then what about B.
Same thing, there's  a lot of stuff for that, but dun worry i had an interesting idea that I'm gonna try if I can get some help from hollow :3


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: 14fan on August 23, 2010, 04:38:27 PM
You should've told me about the multiple jumps, up taunt, and the down b charge. I can possibly fix those.

Sadly, my computer has decided "Windows Explorer is not responding".

So I have about a minute to do stuff and then everything shuts down. The start menu, the toolbar, the shortcuts, everything just disappears.

But I'll tell you when this is fixed and I can help.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 23, 2010, 04:44:42 PM
You should've told me about the multiple jumps, up taunt, and the down b charge. I can possibly fix those.

Sadly, my computer has decided "Windows Explorer is not responding".

So I have about a minute to do stuff and then everything shuts down. The start menu, the toolbar, the shortcuts, everything just disappears.

But I'll tell you when this is fixed and I can help.
You should've told me about the multiple jumps, up taunt, and the down b charge. I can possibly fix those.

Sadly, my computer has decided "Windows Explorer is not responding".

So I have about a minute to do stuff and then everything shuts down. The start menu, the toolbar, the shortcuts, everything just disappears.

But I'll tell you when this is fixed and I can help.

Okay, that'll be good :3 I'm really hoping to figure out how to get sonic to do fox's side b though on his side taunt,  that'd be awesome.

Also, figured out why sonic's feet disappear in the animations, his toe bones are moved to a different place and they're like way backwards XD It might take half the evening, but I'm gonna try and make sonic do fox's side B as one animation. (Due to the taunt being one animation)


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: BlazingBarrager on August 23, 2010, 04:49:01 PM
Well good luck.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Not A Frog on August 23, 2010, 04:49:20 PM
Wow. So that's what the secret project was.... Very very cool. :af2:


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: 14fan on August 23, 2010, 04:55:28 PM
um i have an idea  erase Down B and put him snapping his fingers and then a giant fire pillar that extends to 1000 y axis.10% and low knockback and also invincivility frames.
Yeah I second this. Also, you should make his B move a long-range attack like Mario's (or Luigi's) Fireballs. What's the use of having the Fire Flower power if you can't even utilize the old fashion Fireballs (Fire Sonic even uses these).

Trust me, if I could I would, but you have no idea how complex sonics side and down b are X_X;; I'll try and see what I can do, it probably won't be a mario fireball though.

His side B and down B are connected.

Literally, there's AttackLwStart and AttackLwEnd.

To do the actual attack, it just sends Sonic from the down b start to the side b attack.

It's really hard to make 2 separate attacks (luckily we managed to), but doing stuff extremely different that would require different subactions is harder to do.

Sonic's side b is only 1 subaction while his down b is the same but with different attack attributes.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 23, 2010, 05:00:43 PM
um i have an idea  erase Down B and put him snapping his fingers and then a giant fire pillar that extends to 1000 y axis.10% and low knockback and also invincivility frames.
Yeah I second this. Also, you should make his B move a long-range attack like Mario's (or Luigi's) Fireballs. What's the use of having the Fire Flower power if you can't even utilize the old fashion Fireballs (Fire Sonic even uses these).

Trust me, if I could I would, but you have no idea how complex sonics side and down b are X_X;; I'll try and see what I can do, it probably won't be a mario fireball though.

His side B and down B are connected.

Literally, there's AttackLwStart and AttackLwEnd.

To do the actual attack, it just sends Sonic from the down b start to the side b attack.

It's really hard to make 2 separate attacks (luckily we managed to), but doing stuff extremely different that would require different subactions is harder to do.

Sonic's side b is only 1 subaction while his down b is the same but with different attack attributes.

So that's why he does the new side B when dashing with the down B and pressing side B interesting, I looked at the move in psa and I couldn't figure out how that happened.

Also, thanks to a tip from Hollow I figured out how to fix the problem where it comes out of his body (the hitbox on the side B) I'll try and impliment it as best I can, but I don't know how it's going to work.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: BlazingBarrager on August 23, 2010, 05:16:08 PM
Hey if you could try to use the Super Sonic model instead of the standard model. Gives him more of the actual feeling.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 23, 2010, 05:49:15 PM
Hey if you could try to use the Super Sonic model instead of the standard model. Gives him more of the actual feeling.
Super Sonic doesn't have any animations where he's running. I'll try and impliment some stuff from Super Sonic though. dunno how to X_X


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: BlazingBarrager on August 24, 2010, 09:11:25 AM
That's where asking for help comes in. :XD:


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on August 24, 2010, 09:16:58 AM
That's where asking for help comes in. :XD:
Really? @_@ I didn't know XD


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on September 06, 2010, 05:46:00 PM
Bumpity bump X3


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: XeroPercent on September 07, 2010, 09:52:21 AM
Didn't someone make this PSA?

Anyways, I like most of it, the items was a nice touch (and good choices)!
Maybe he gets the smart bomb or the Superspicy Curry after using the third taunt.

Also I suggest increasing his speed and decreasing gravity!
(He was fast as hell in that animation)

It would look cool if you added a flame graphic around Sonic that deals fire damage when he charges certain attacks:

Down B (looks like you did this one already)
Up, Forward and Down Smashes
During Taunts

 ;D
It's looking good so far, look forward to how this turns out.
(BTW: good job on the transition from SMBZ to your PSA :3)

Hey if you could try to use the Super Sonic model instead of the standard model. Gives him more of the actual feeling.

Just use Wave's motion file from Hyper Sonic!


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on September 07, 2010, 10:09:30 AM
Didn't someone make this PSA?

Anyways, I like most of it, the items was a nice touch (and good choices)!
Maybe he gets the smart bomb or the Superspicy Curry after using the third taunt.

Also I suggest increasing his speed and decreasing gravity!
(He was fast as hell in that animation)

It would look cool if you added a flame graphic around Sonic that deals fire damage when he charges certain attacks:

Down B (looks like you did this one already)
Up, Forward and Down Smashes
During Taunts

 ;D
It's looking good so far, look forward to how this turns out.
(BTW: good job on the transition from SMBZ to your PSA :3)

Hey if you could try to use the Super Sonic model instead of the standard model. Gives him more of the actual feeling.


Just use Wave's motion file from Hyper Sonic!


Yeah hopefully Hollow is working on his new FS (Which is basically a cheep, glorified B special now XD) soon.

But no I'm not copying off of other people lol it feels halfassed when u do [censored] like that X3
His other taunts do drop other items, I'm still deciding what they are.

I'll work on him some more soon, but don't expect anything groundbreaking lol it's just cause I didn't know there was one already. If you like that then you might like this, it's my dark sonic project. I'm not changing his attacks too much cause he just needs to be more powerful/darker than normal sonic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfiTwUPHYCs

So far I have plans for his Down B and Side B to be different in hitbox and graphics, but nothing special other than that. Dark sonic isn't overpowered, I want him to be canonically loyal. (I've seen the other dark sonic textures and they look nothing like he does in Sonic X XP)


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: XeroPercent on September 07, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
Didn't someone make this PSA?

Anyways, I like most of it, the items was a nice touch (and good choices)!
Maybe he gets the smart bomb or the Superspicy Curry after using the third taunt.

Also I suggest increasing his speed and decreasing gravity!
(He was fast as hell in that animation)

It would look cool if you added a flame graphic around Sonic that deals fire damage when he charges certain attacks:

Down B (looks like you did this one already)
Up, Forward and Down Smashes
During Taunts

 ;D
It's looking good so far, look forward to how this turns out.
(BTW: good job on the transition from SMBZ to your PSA :3)

Hey if you could try to use the Super Sonic model instead of the standard model. Gives him more of the actual feeling.

Just use Wave's motion file from Hyper Sonic!

I never said you copied. >_>
Your PSA plays like Sonic w/ fire effects the other had a new move-set.

But, cool! I look forward to the new FS!

Also that's a cool Dark Sonic! XD
Is it in the vault?


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on September 07, 2010, 10:49:56 AM
Didn't someone make this PSA?

Anyways, I like most of it, the items was a nice touch (and good choices)!
Maybe he gets the smart bomb or the Superspicy Curry after using the third taunt.

Also I suggest increasing his speed and decreasing gravity!
(He was fast as hell in that animation)

It would look cool if you added a flame graphic around Sonic that deals fire damage when he charges certain attacks:

Down B (looks like you did this one already)
Up, Forward and Down Smashes
During Taunts

 ;D
It's looking good so far, look forward to how this turns out.
(BTW: good job on the transition from SMBZ to your PSA :3)

Hey if you could try to use the Super Sonic model instead of the standard model. Gives him more of the actual feeling.


Just use Wave's motion file from Hyper Sonic!


I never said you copied. >_>
Your PSA plays like Sonic w/ fire effects the other had a new move-set.

But, cool! I look forward to the new FS!

Also that's a cool Dark Sonic! XD
Is it in the vault?


Yeah I like my psa's to be more canically loyal (As you noticed with dark sonic's texture.) rather than some overpowered theme to it.
Yeah Dark sonic Beta is in the vault, but his next version will have the new moves hopefully.

I'm trying to figure out how to make the hitbox that's during his charging animation for the down B loop endlessly untill you let go of the B button. But that might take a while.
And yeah the dark sonic is in the vault.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10616

I still don't know if he Dysincs over wifi cause I haven't had the chance to have someone test it yet.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: XeroPercent on September 07, 2010, 12:29:47 PM
In my opinion this is the best Super Sonic and Dark Sonic Texture/Vertex Hacks I've seen so far!

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10616#ByUserID=2604&Moderated=All

Yeah I like my psa's to be more canically loyal (As you noticed with dark sonic's texture.) rather than some overpowered theme to it.
Yeah Dark sonic Beta is in the vault, but his next version will have the new moves hopefully.

I'm trying to figure out how to make the hitbox that's during his charging animation for the down B loop endlessly untill you let go of the B button. But that might take a while.
And yeah the dark sonic is in the vault.

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10616[/url]



Do you need some ideas for your PSA?

I can't PSA hack, but I am mostly familiar with what is possible and what isn't. I've been providing several ideas for a few popular hacks like Demonic Bowser (my request and several of my ideas) and Divine Chaos Super Sonic (I started the project and got some help from Wave, then DivineOverlord took over and I feed him many ideas and we named it after our user names).

Divine-DivineOverlord
Chaos-ChaosInvoker
Super Sonic

BTW: I have two accounts here and I has proof!


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: ChaosInvoker on September 07, 2010, 12:30:24 PM
Proof!


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on September 07, 2010, 12:48:30 PM
got some help from Wave

*Wild Wave appeared!*

Buu? :3


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: ChaosInvoker on September 07, 2010, 12:57:17 PM
got some help from Wave
*Wild Wave appeared!*

Buu? :3

 :o
Gahh, Oh um hi?


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: DivineOverlord on September 07, 2010, 01:09:31 PM
In my opinion this is the best Super Sonic and Dark Sonic Texture/Vertex Hacks I've seen so far!

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10616#ByUserID=2604&Moderated=All[/url]

Yeah I like my psa's to be more canically loyal (As you noticed with dark sonic's texture.) rather than some overpowered theme to it.
Yeah Dark sonic Beta is in the vault, but his next version will have the new moves hopefully.

I'm trying to figure out how to make the hitbox that's during his charging animation for the down B loop endlessly untill you let go of the B button. But that might take a while.
And yeah the dark sonic is in the vault.

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10616[/url]



Do you need some ideas for your PSA?

I can't PSA hack, but I am mostly familiar with what is possible and what isn't. I've been providing several ideas for a few popular hacks like Demonic Bowser (my request and several of my ideas) and Divine Chaos Super Sonic (I started the project and got some help from Wave, then DivineOverlord took over and I feed him many ideas and we named it after our user names).

Divine-DivineOverlord
Chaos-ChaosInvoker
Super Sonic

BTW: I have two accounts here and I has proof!


Two accounts? lol


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: ChaosInvoker on September 07, 2010, 01:12:43 PM
i got bored one day (lol)

I even put in my sig
"i'm bored"

(I was wondering if you'd see that post, secret's out  :-\ )

But anyways, did you need help with ideas for this? I love thinking of ideas like these, heck if I was better at the smash attacks program, I wouldn't surface from the house for another 17 years (lol)  :laugh:


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on September 07, 2010, 06:13:24 PM
i got bored one day (lol)

I even put in my sig
"i'm bored"

(I was wondering if you'd see that post, secret's out  :-\ )

But anyways, did you need help with ideas for this? I love thinking of ideas like these, heck if I was better at the smash attacks program, I wouldn't surface from the house for another 17 years (lol)  :laugh:

eh maybe I'm not sure what to do though lol


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: ChaosInvoker on September 07, 2010, 07:01:22 PM
Well it seems you know enough to get graphics and items working so wanna hear me out? I'll PM some ideas as they come to me and when I have time.

I just need something to do. My major is Multimedia so I'm on the computer half my life (lol). Giving people concepts for PSAs keeps me going with projects so I don't burn out.


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: reilavac on September 26, 2010, 07:18:40 AM
sorry i did long before you


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: tenkashi on September 26, 2010, 10:23:31 PM
amazing idea, but you really shoudl lose some of his normal moves, not to mentio nthat vedio entracne was amazing! exxelent work!

but ya.. lose some of his standard Air moves..


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on September 26, 2010, 10:39:17 PM
amazing idea, but you really shoudl lose some of his normal moves, not to mentio nthat vedio entracne was amazing! exxelent work!

but ya.. lose some of his standard Air moves..
Sadly I can't really do anything for fire sonic right now, I'm making something awesomer than this :D


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: tenkashi on September 27, 2010, 10:19:26 AM
 :happy:

nuff said...

does w ave has some competition?


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: Naruto200Man on September 27, 2010, 10:26:23 AM
:happy:

nuff said...

does w ave has some competition?

Maybe not wave, but the curent fox psa's probably do *snicker*


Title: Re: Project Fire Sonic(SMBZ) Demo Video!
Post by: BlazingBarrager on September 27, 2010, 01:45:15 PM
lol In more ways then one I might add.