UPDATED~
I've discovered more things about Anim8or durring my usage of it and think i can clean up my thread a little
Here's the rar file (http://www.mediafire.com/?8536rjlmk9ewqpq) of everything you need to vertex. Note that Unrarx will just open the rar empty. Winrar (http://download.cnet.com/WinRAR-32-bit/3000-2250_4-10007677.html) will actually work better, plus you can find versions of it for free and its what I use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnAuOR163Qo
VIDEO!!
Anim8or i have discovered doesnt work with all polygons. It also seems to have a problem with windows7. as i discover which ones can't be edited in anim8or ill add them to the list. there seems to be one for each character
These are a list of polygons that anim8or will give you an error for and not open.
Zamus' face
Dedede's coat
Sheik's arms
Peach's crown
Link's Hat
These are alist of polygons that Anim8or seems to not want to move all the vertecies you move and require cleanup from someone with 3dsMax or similar.
Sheik's body
Zelda's legs
For those of you who cant watch the video, ill reinstate the readable version.
1st steps : Preparation
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2nd Step : Editing
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How do you get the model to show up.....?
If you mean in Anim8or, this tool (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/Chippy_0_o/dots.jpg)
But be sure you've either imported the DDV or drag-n-dropped it in Anim8or. Look at the VERY top of the first picture I have and make sure it says Object: DDV
Wow! I'mma get vertexing right away now! :happy:
how do you patch in Anim8or and i meant to get the .3ds file....
I already know just think you should say as there isn't a good tut for it..... OHH nvm you already did.. XD
not exactly sure what you mean by patch. i elaborated this morning and included every single step needed as well as the programs
certain things need to be patched.... Trust me. Look at my help thread....
I've seen people have an actual colored, fully rendered model while vertex editing, is that what you mean by clicking the button with the 3 squares on it?
@ADJSonic (the rock)
I have never needed this so called patching for nay hack that ive ever done
SpacePirateOverlord
Anim8or is a free program that doesnt display the actual model, but ther vertices that make up that model. Most people use 3DSMax which DOES cost money, making it a better program. Anim8or is the alternative for people who want to vertex, but cant get 3DSMax
Well technically theres also Blender, but this seems much better.
personally blender is confusing XD and even with stepp by step instructions, i cant figure it out
what happened is some of the data became corrupt. this happens from time to time; especially if you're making big changes. What you have to do is create a new DDV and move the vertices again. like i said, sometimes the programs will crash. you just gotta be patient and keep on goin! if you leave that DDV as is and replace it with the model in brawl box, it'll cause brawl box to also crash. be sure you save early and save often, go slow, and be gently. its a very sensative program.
re-export the model and vertex. then remake the DDV. try that
yeah thats because the file is corrupt. did you already try yo put the new model back into the one on brawl box?
yus. the MDL0 Offset is the number you copy and paste into the das donkey box
when you enter it into the box, it automatically takes it out. are you using programs you ofound or the ones i provided?
i just re-read some of your posts. instead of saving, you export
you export the changed DDV back onto the original DDV. you overwrite it
its ok. this clarifies if anyone else gets this error c: plus i enjoy helping other people. might i ask what it is exactly uou're trying to do?
were there any instructions that you didnt do or understand? every detail was important
Hey, I've tested this method and everything works out great until I preview it. Nothing is changed. I've tested this with Ike's sword and then I started an actual project with Lucas and nothing came up. Know what's wrong?
i addressed this problem in my first post. you have to keep reexporting the model, and re inserting the DDV into that model severaly times for it to get into the rhythm of things.
re-export model
finnish DDV
insert DDV
replace model
save
re-export model
if nothing changes:
re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save
you have to keep doing that second step until it works
EDIT:mine starts working after about the 3rd time
Ok thanks.
EDIT: Wait should the edited vertex.ddf file be an anim8or file or a DDF file?
Quote from: Not A Frog on December 23, 2010, 02:42:10 AM
Ok thanks.
EDIT: Wait should the edited vertex.ddf file be an anim8or file or a DDF file?
DDF
EDIT: you save directly over the original DDV file. it doesnt edit the actual vertex.ddf
the vertex.ddf is needed to make the DDV. then the DDV is inserted into the model. once the DDV is made, theres no further use for the vertex.ddf
Quote from: piperwillow on December 23, 2010, 03:43:33 PM
So your saying that I should export then import 3 times then save?
these steps 3 times
re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save
preview
if nothings changed
re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save
preview
if nothings changed
re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save
preview
so on and so forth
is possible add more 3ds file in one? (ex. 3dsfile 1+ 3dsfile 2= 3ds fille3)
Lecapricia check your pm box in a minute.. I need you to make me something real quick.....
Quote from: Lecapria on December 24, 2010, 12:54:57 AM
Quote from: Not A Frog on December 23, 2010, 02:42:10 AM
Ok thanks.
EDIT: Wait should the edited vertex.ddf file be an anim8or file or a DDF file?
DDF
EDIT: you save directly over the original DDV file. it doesnt edit the actual vertex.ddf
the vertex.ddf is needed to make the DDV. then the DDV is inserted into the model. once the DDV is made, theres no further use for the vertex.ddf
HYESSS!!!11!!!!1!! It worked!!! (turned out terrible but at leatst it works!) Now I'm on to make kirby into a blob of nothingness!
Quote from: BlueLink on December 24, 2010, 02:44:27 PM
is possible add more 3ds file in one? (ex. 3dsfile 1+ 3dsfile 2= 3ds fille3)
no. you have one at a time. its recognized by the name. if you add anything else nto the name, it wont be read
Quote from: piperwillow on December 24, 2010, 05:10:08 PM
Interesting, I put in the dataoffset instead of the mdl0 offset and it said succefully inserted
yes, that picture is what wil happen. itll remember the Offset, and make a modelOriginal incase its messed up. you have to put in the mdl0 offste. jsut because its successfully inserted doesnt mean itll work.[/color]
I have my vertex(named vertex) but when i ask it to create patch it asks me to select an obj. file.
Last time i checked you just have an mdl0 in the folder. what am I doing wrong?
Quote from: The Corrupted one on December 24, 2010, 11:53:45 PM
I have my vertex(named vertex) but when i ask it to create patch it asks me to select an obj. file.
Last time i checked you just have an mdl0 in the folder. what am I doing wrong?
are you using anim8or?
Quote from: piperwillow on December 26, 2010, 01:03:07 AM
Hope your Christmas's went well, I got windows 7 laptop and i'm so happy! =) Now i'm gonna test vertexing on here maybe.
i got a laptop too.
._.
no, i use windows XP. The nim8or in there is the latest version
I use windows 7 and it works..... :/
Quote from: piperwillow on December 27, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
I'm so confused why I'm getting these problems... I'll read through guide again and try to get anim8or to start.
thats prolly a good idea since i added more details lately
Duh I am using Anim8or why would I post here then?
Quote from: Lecapria on December 23, 2010, 12:50:19 AM
its ok. this clarifies if anyone else gets this error c: plus i enjoy helping other people. might i ask what it is exactly uou're trying to do?
if you ejoy helping, I can't get the programs provided, the rar extractor says the file is not a .rar archive
I tried again and i get the ddf to load but no mld0. Why is it asking me for obj?
Quote from: dialga5 on December 27, 2010, 07:30:49 AM
Quote from: Lecapria on December 23, 2010, 12:50:19 AM
its ok. this clarifies if anyone else gets this error c: plus i enjoy helping other people. might i ask what it is exactly uou're trying to do?
if you ejoy helping, I can't get the programs provided, the rar extractor says the file is not a .rar archive
if my rar doesnt work, then just google Anim8or and Das Donkey Vertex box
Quote from: The Corrupted one on December 27, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
I tried again and i get the ddf to load but no mld0. Why is it asking me for obj?
you must have the vertex.ddf in the folder with the das donkey vertex box. then create a DDV file. then you load that DDV file into anim8or
Quote from: Lecapria on December 27, 2010, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: dialga5 on December 27, 2010, 07:30:49 AM
Quote from: Lecapria on December 23, 2010, 12:50:19 AM
its ok. this clarifies if anyone else gets this error c: plus i enjoy helping other people. might i ask what it is exactly uou're trying to do?
if you ejoy helping, I can't get the programs provided, the rar extractor says the file is not a .rar archive
if my rar doesnt work, then just google Anim8or and Das Donkey Vertex box
I have them both
Quote from: dialga5 on December 27, 2010, 09:13:32 PM
Quote from: Lecapria on December 27, 2010, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: dialga5 on December 27, 2010, 07:30:49 AM
Quote from: Lecapria on December 23, 2010, 12:50:19 AM
its ok. this clarifies if anyone else gets this error c: plus i enjoy helping other people. might i ask what it is exactly uou're trying to do?
if you ejoy helping, I can't get the programs provided, the rar extractor says the file is not a .rar archive
if my rar doesnt work, then just google Anim8or and Das Donkey Vertex box
I have them both
then you dont need my rar
cant get anim8ter to work :< :oshi:
what about it isnt working?
let me be more specific, It never runs... I double-click and it never pops up and this is windows 7
o.o thats a puzzler
it be:oshi: :-[
no sort of message pops up at all?
what version is it
:srs: not the computer, the anim8or
http://www.anim8or.com/main/
get the download from there, i think you guys are using the wrong stufff
i got it from that site -_-
the latest version?
ok i just tried with my new laptop and im getting the same thing. let me look into it
Quote from: piperwillow on December 28, 2010, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Lecapria on December 27, 2010, 11:27:11 PM
get the download from there, i think you guys are using the wrong stufff
I tested the ones from the website they did nothing different.
same here and i tried combattibility mode -_-
Quote from: piperwillow on December 29, 2010, 01:12:49 AM
Quote from: dialga5 on December 28, 2010, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: piperwillow on December 28, 2010, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Lecapria on December 27, 2010, 11:27:11 PM
get the download from there, i think you guys are using the wrong stufff
I tested the ones from the website they did nothing different.
same here and i tried combattibility mode -_-
yep me too nothing. I've read somewhere that it may have to do with intel graphics card updating it might help a little.
same here piper
Where does the DDV come from? The only options I see in Dasdonkey is create patch and apply patch along with DDF load and refresh
Quote from: The Corrupted one on December 29, 2010, 09:59:13 PM
Where does the DDV come from? The only options I see in Dasdonkey is create patch and apply patch along with DDF load and refresh
wrong dasdonkey? are you using the one in my rar?
Yes wrong DD
When i hit the top option it says it can't find the file specified. What gives?
I am vertexing ZSS and her verticies are not numbered so i used the one t had the name of the texture for that area.
no, you use the MDL0 offset of the vertex, not the polygon. and you export the etire MDL0,not the polygon
not yet. maybe it doesnt work for laptops. dialga, are you using a laptop?
have you?
But I followed the instructions exactly, i found the vertex marked by Vertexset and imported it into DD along with the MLD0
Ohh for that problem i had it too.... You must play a mini game of connect the dots in your head and move acoording to so... If you mess with it not knowing the way it connects you will Kill your model..... XD..
(hope i helped)
lol its true XD
sometimes that happens. Anim8or is delicate. you gotta know what exactly your moving
XD i has reading comprehension probs cuz~
I had that happen a lot when i first started using Anim8or. Just export a fresh model and vertex, and try again
the thing about pikachu is even the experts have a hard time hacking him. i cant even make my fat pikachu :srs:
are you using the mdl0 offset. . .
i dont see a problem then. you must be moving something funny. try one where you dont edit it at all
thats weird haha
thats really strange
Quote from: Lecapria on December 21, 2010, 08:32:26 PM
@ADJSonic (the rock)
I have never needed this so called patching for nay hack that ive ever done
SpacePirateOverlord
Anim8or is a free program that doesnt display the actual model, but ther vertices that make up that model. Most people use 3DSMax which DOES cost money, making it a better program. Anim8or is the alternative for people who want to vertex, but cant get 3DSMax
WRONG! you can see the models because I got the Megaman X8 Megman X to show up as soon as I opened it. :yay:
thank you thank you !
Wow... Amazing much better than my video about, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that stills uses Anim8or, now if someone could just make it to where we could view the model as a whole and not just the vertices! That would be a miracle! We wouldn't have to worry about "buying" 3DS Max! And Anim8or takes up way less disk space, as an extra bonus lol.
It won't let me extract it.
extract? do you mean export?
When I try to open the RAR file it gives me an error message that says that it's not a valid RAR file. There aren't any files in the RAR. HELP!
Quote from: TeamNormalizer on February 06, 2011, 08:05:44 PM
When I try to open the RAR file it gives me an error message that says that it's not a valid RAR file. There aren't any files in the RAR. HELP!
what program are you using? Winrar works best[/color]
it does work but there are still vertexes all over the place.
Quote from: Brawler10 on March 04, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
it does work but there are still vertexes all over the place.
Yup. Vertex clouds. i hate those
Quote from: Ms Spinda on February 06, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
Quote from: TeamNormalizer on February 06, 2011, 08:05:44 PM
When I try to open the RAR file it gives me an error message that says that it's not a valid RAR file. There aren't any files in the RAR. HELP!
what program are you using? Winrar works best[/color]
I'm using 7-Zip. WinRar doesn't work for my operating system. (Windows 7)
why would that be??
Blargh! When I use anim8tor I id everything right, but when I press the view vert. button nothing appears! :oshi:
*Cough*32bitWindowsXPsucks.*Cough*
Quote from: MANSTA8 on March 19, 2011, 03:24:06 AM
Blargh! When I use anim8tor I id everything right, but when I press the view vert. button nothing appears! :oshi:
*Cough*32bitWindowsXPsucks.*Cough*
make sure you have the 3d cube selected at the top, not the 2d cube or the sphere
Every Time i type in the offset number it says : Errorjava.io.FileNotFoundException:model.mdlo0 (The System cannot find the file specified)
D:D:
Quote from: PeachyPerfect15 on March 20, 2011, 04:30:16 AM
Every Time i type in the offset number it says : Errorjava.io.FileNotFoundException:model.mdlo0 (The System cannot find the file specified)
D:D:
you may have messed up in the process.
Okay, I'm trying to vertexing Ike's sword, but i have a problem: i did the process EXACTLY how you written in the tutorial, but when replacing in Brawlbox the model it gave me multiple errors, and when I finally manage to open the preview, i can see ONLY the bones.
Where have I mistaken?
Quote from: Simply_Rox on March 25, 2011, 01:35:44 PM
Okay, I'm trying to vertexing Ike's sword, but i have a problem: i did the process EXACTLY how you written in the tutorial, but when replacing in Brawlbox the model it gave me multiple errors, and when I finally manage to open the preview, i can see ONLY the bones.
Where have I mistaken?
when that happens youve done something in dasdonkey it didnt like, or you tried to export before saving, OR you could have simply put in the wrong offset number. Putting in the wrong number can either cause only the bones to appear, or one of the body parts to look like a jagged raisin
Maybe the problem COULD be the offset number.
In Brawlbox the offset is -17760, i don't know if i should write -17760 or 17760...
Anyway, now i'll re-do the process while writing on wordpad the sequences, so you'll maybe find out where i'm doing this wrong...
either way it should work. minor things can upset both programs. they're very fragile.
still not working :/
Quote from: dialga5 on April 16, 2011, 05:38:58 PM
still not working :/
dasdonkey seems to have a problem with windows 7
Quote from: Ms Spinda on April 16, 2011, 07:51:42 PM
dasdonkey seems to have a problem with windows 7
I have Windows 7 dasdonkey isn't working really good for me either :(
How Do You Zoom In While Looking At The Vertecies? Like, when i click the eye ball thing (zoom) the black dot things dissappear
Quote from: Mr. Ludicolo on April 17, 2011, 02:21:37 AM
How Do You Zoom In While Looking At The Vertecies? Like, when i click the eye ball thing (zoom) the black dot things dissappear
you have to clock one of the boxes at the bottom. youll see the size of the grid change. then click the dots again and youll see them
In Anim8tor how do I move just 1 point? How can I resize stuff? All these tools are confusing me :/
Hey Ms Spinda, Will This Work with Viles New Vertex Box? @.@ I'm trying this again.....
I got this to work, my only problem is finding what part of a model is what XD
Quote from: Freakachu on May 08, 2011, 10:27:03 PM
In Anim8tor how do I move just 1 point? How can I resize stuff? All these tools are confusing me :/
if you simply click it instead of draging a box over it, it selects just that vertex. and im trying to update my tutorial lol
Quote from: MANSTA8 on March 19, 2011, 03:24:06 AM
Blargh! When I use anim8tor I id everything right, but when I press the view vert. button nothing appears! :oshi:
*Cough*32bitWindowsXPsucks.*Cough*
Im aware that it sucks, but thats what my dad got. Make sure at the top it says you have the DDV open, and the vertecies will only appear when the button with 3 dots is selected. just because its not doesnt mean theyre gone, theyre still there, you just cant see them for a moment
if i had some way to make a video i would, so if anyone knows a free way i can do that, ill make it into a video
Quote from: Ms Spinda on May 14, 2011, 03:28:36 PM
if i had some way to make a video i would, so if anyone knows a free way i can do that, ill make it into a video
HyperCam2
http://hypercam.softlate.com/?gclid=COLcyYLk56gCFQE2gwodu16kEw
video will be uploaded momentarily
Actually I got it fixed, look at the last post on page 10
video is up!
thank you!!!!! The VIdeo is So Much More Clear.
yeah but my allergies arent lol
Quote from: Ms Spinda on May 15, 2011, 04:00:53 PM
yeah but my allergies arent lol
lol mine are horrible right now too. >.<
But I finally Got this to Work!! :D
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lol its all good. im starting to compile a list of polygons anim8or seems to have a problem with
I'm trying to vertex hack an item, but when I create a 3ds file, it sais "Errorjava.io.EOFException". What should I do? :'(
Oh, and also, I can't edit the vertices when i open animator. The 3ds file is succesfully created but it can't be edited.
Please Don't Double Post, You Need to click "modify' On your first one!
like i said it has a problem with somethings. wht item are you trying to edit?
Hello, Ms Spinda! I seem to have a problem with Anim8or. I opened it up, and it says Object: DDV, but when I click on the vertice edit button, nothing appears. I clicked on the eye, then the button in the video, then the dots, but nothing happens :oshi:. I'm trying to edit Sheik's hair.
If youre running windows7 my method doesnt work. What OS are you using
Windows XP
It works in 3DS Max but I get an exporting issue, so I wanna try this.
Make sure at the top you have the 3d cube selected and not the 2d cube or the 2d sphere. it should be the one farthest left of the three
Thanks! It works now. It had the sphere selected XD. Now I can made Sheik's hair OoT 3d-like. Again, thanks SO much, Ms. Spinda.
And by the way, maybe it's my rotten luck, but I get an error opening Link's cap. Maybe it's one of those no-open polygons like ZSS face and DDD coat.
indeed it is. lol i was gonna make a melee sheik when i got around to it. using the tool that stretches would be best. and be sure to rename the pony bones and set all there translations to 0. That will give you the effect you want
I actually liked the text and pictures tutorial, my internet can't load youtube videos as fast. :P
i can bring it back lol
Um... a lot of the vertecies seem to appear at the bottom of their feet. I can't work like that :(
yeah thats a vertex cloud. :\ not fun are they
Is there a way to easily identify which vertexes correspond with the body parts? I'm trying to vertex certain body parts but i can't see because the vertexes are all over the place (not to confuse you with vertex clouds XD)
not that i know of at least not for this method :c
I'd like to know, what happens if I move the vertices in a vertex cloud? <_<
based on what vertices you select, say you select a whole row and move it to the left. the legs and feel are what is in the vertex cloud. theyre both crossed and inside eachother so if you move it all left for instance, 2 4ths of the legs and feet will be rly up high and the rest would be rly down low making everything look rly discombobulated
Erm...I can get everything to work okay(which I'm glad your method with anim8tor exists. I can't get Autodesk 3Ds max 8, and blender...Didn't work so well...)
But the fact that I cannot see the model, or at least the fact that the vertices are spread out in such a weird manner prevents me from making the edits I want to.
I want to edit the back of Marth's armor, the straps, but it's mixed in completely with his feet and legs. I can't find the specific vertices I wish to reposition with any level of ease.
This link has Mariokart64n's advance vertex tutorial for use with Autodesk, and he has written a script that re-arranges the vertex set to look like how it does on a T-posed model.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=8577.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=8577.0)
Could something like his script be created that repositions the vertex set in Anima8tor? Would make things alot more convenient. <:3c
YESZ , now I can vertexing my textures
Thank you ! :)
awesome turtorial :D