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 UPDATED~


I've discovered more things about Anim8or durring my usage of it and think i can clean up my thread a little

Here's the rar file (http://www.mediafire.com/?8536rjlmk9ewqpq) of everything you need to vertex. Note that Unrarx will just open the rar empty. Winrar (http://download.cnet.com/WinRAR-32-bit/3000-2250_4-10007677.html) will actually work better, plus you can find versions of it for free and its what I use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnAuOR163Qo
VIDEO!!

Anim8or i have discovered doesnt work with all polygons. It also seems to have a problem with windows7. as i discover which ones can't be edited in anim8or ill add them to the list. there seems to be one for each character

These are a list of polygons that anim8or will give you an error for and not open.

Zamus' face
Dedede's coat
Sheik's arms
Peach's crown
Link's Hat

These are alist of polygons that Anim8or seems to not want to move all the vertecies you move and require cleanup from someone with 3dsMax or similar.

Sheik's body
Zelda's legs




For those of you who cant watch the video, ill reinstate the readable version.
1st steps : Preparation
2nd Step : Editing

How do you get the model to show up.....?

If you mean in Anim8or, this tool (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/Chippy_0_o/dots.jpg)
But be sure you've either imported the DDV or drag-n-dropped it in Anim8or. Look at the VERY top of the first picture I have and make sure it says Object: DDV

Wow! I'mma get vertexing right away now! :happy:

how do you patch in Anim8or and i meant to get the .3ds file....

I already know just think you should say as there isn't a good tut for it..... OHH nvm you already did.. XD

not exactly sure what you mean by patch. i elaborated this morning and included every single step needed as well as the programs

certain things need to be patched.... Trust me. Look at my help thread....

I've seen people have an actual colored, fully rendered model while vertex editing, is that what you mean by clicking the button with the 3 squares on it?

@ADJSonic (the rock)
I have never needed this so called patching for nay hack that ive ever done


SpacePirateOverlord
Anim8or is a free program that doesnt display the actual model, but ther vertices that make up that model. Most people use 3DSMax which DOES cost money, making it a better program. Anim8or is the alternative for people who want to vertex, but cant get 3DSMax

Well technically theres also Blender, but this seems much better.

personally blender is confusing XD and even with stepp by step instructions, i cant figure it out

what happened is some of the data became corrupt. this happens from time to time; especially if you're making big changes. What you have to do is create a new DDV and move the vertices again. like i said, sometimes the programs will crash. you just gotta be patient and keep on goin! if you leave that DDV as is and replace it with the model in brawl box, it'll cause brawl box to also crash. be sure you save early and save often, go slow, and be gently. its a very sensative program.

re-export the model and vertex. then remake the DDV. try that

yeah thats because the file is corrupt. did you already try yo put the new model back into the one on brawl box?

yus. the MDL0 Offset is the number you copy and paste into the das donkey box

when you enter it into the box, it automatically takes it out. are you using programs you ofound or the ones i provided?

i just re-read some of your posts. instead of saving, you export

you export the changed DDV back onto the original DDV. you overwrite it

its ok. this clarifies if anyone else gets this error c: plus i enjoy helping other people. might i ask what it is exactly uou're trying to do?

were there any instructions that you didnt do or understand? every detail was important

Hey, I've tested this method and everything works out great until I preview it. Nothing is changed. I've tested this with Ike's sword and then I started an actual project with Lucas and nothing came up. Know what's wrong?

i addressed this problem in my first post. you have to keep reexporting the model, and re inserting the DDV into that model severaly times for it to get into the rhythm of things.

re-export model
finnish DDV
insert DDV
replace model
save
re-export model

if nothing changes:
re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save


you have to keep doing that second step until it works
EDIT:mine starts working after about the 3rd time

Ok thanks.

EDIT: Wait should the edited vertex.ddf file be an anim8or file or a DDF file?

DDF
EDIT: you save directly over the original DDV file. it doesnt edit the actual vertex.ddf
the vertex.ddf is needed to make the DDV. then the DDV is inserted into the model. once the DDV is made, theres no further use for the vertex.ddf

these steps 3 times

re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save
preview

if nothings changed
re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save
preview

if nothings changed
re-export model
insert DDV
replace model
save
preview

so on and so forth

is possible add more 3ds file in one? (ex. 3dsfile 1+ 3dsfile 2= 3ds fille3)

Lecapricia check your pm box in a minute.. I need you to make me something real quick.....

HYESSS!!!11!!!!1!!  It worked!!! (turned out terrible but at leatst it works!) Now I'm on to make kirby into a blob of nothingness!

no. you have one at a time. its recognized by the name. if you add anything else nto the name, it wont be read

yes, that picture is what wil happen. itll remember the Offset, and make a modelOriginal incase its messed up. you have to put in the mdl0 offste. jsut because its successfully inserted doesnt mean itll work.[/color]

I have my vertex(named vertex) but when i ask it to create patch it asks me to select an obj. file.
Last time i checked you just have an mdl0 in the folder. what am I doing wrong?

are you using anim8or?

i got a laptop too.

._.

no, i use windows XP. The nim8or in there is the latest version

I use windows 7 and it works..... :/

thats prolly a good idea since i added more details lately

Duh I am using Anim8or why would I post here then?

if you ejoy helping, I can't get the programs provided, the rar extractor says the file is not a .rar archive

I tried again and i get the ddf to load but no mld0. Why is it asking me for obj?

if my rar doesnt work, then just google Anim8or and Das Donkey Vertex box

you must have the vertex.ddf in the folder with the das donkey vertex box. then create a DDV  file. then you load that DDV file into anim8or

I have them both

then you dont need my rar

cant get anim8ter to work :<  :oshi:

what about it isnt working?

let me be more specific, It never runs... I double-click and it never pops up and this is windows 7

o.o thats a puzzler

it be:oshi:   :-[

no sort of message pops up at all?

fraid not

what version is it

:srs:  not the computer, the anim8or

animv095c

http://www.anim8or.com/main/

get the download from there, i think you guys are using the wrong stufff

i got it from that site -_-

the latest version?

ok i just tried with my new laptop and im getting the same thing. let me look into it

same here and i tried combattibility mode -_-

same here piper

Where does the DDV come from? The only options I see in Dasdonkey is create patch and apply patch along with DDF load and refresh

wrong dasdonkey? are you using the one in my rar?

Yes wrong DD
When i hit the top option it says it can't find the file specified. What gives?
I am vertexing ZSS and her verticies are not numbered so i used the one t had the name of the texture for that area.

no, you use the MDL0 offset of the vertex, not the polygon. and you export the etire MDL0,not the polygon

not yet. maybe it doesnt work for laptops. dialga, are you using a laptop?

have you?

But I followed the instructions exactly, i found the vertex marked by Vertexset and imported it into DD along with the MLD0

Ohh for that problem i had it too.... You must play a mini game of connect the dots in your head and move acoording to so... If you mess with it not knowing the way it connects you will Kill your model..... XD..

(hope i helped)

lol its true XD

sometimes that happens. Anim8or is delicate. you gotta know what exactly your moving

 XD i has reading comprehension probs cuz~

I had that happen a lot when i first started using Anim8or. Just export a fresh model and vertex, and try again

 the thing about pikachu is even the experts have a hard time hacking him. i cant even make my fat pikachu :srs:

are you using the mdl0 offset. . .

i dont see a problem then. you must be moving something funny. try one where you dont edit it at all

thats weird haha

thats really strange

WRONG! you can see the models because I got the Megaman X8 Megman X to show up as soon as I opened it. :yay:

thank you thank you !

Wow... Amazing much better than my video about, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that stills uses Anim8or, now if someone could just make it to where we could view the model as a whole and not just the vertices! That would be a miracle! We wouldn't have to worry about "buying" 3DS Max! And Anim8or takes up way less disk space, as an extra bonus lol.

It won't let me extract it.

extract? do you mean export?

When I try to open the RAR file it gives me an error message that says that it's not a valid RAR file. There aren't any files in the RAR. HELP!

what program are you using? Winrar works best[/color]

it does work but there are still vertexes all over the place.

Yup. Vertex clouds. i hate those

I'm using 7-Zip. WinRar doesn't work for my operating system. (Windows 7)

why would that be??

Blargh! When I use anim8tor I id everything right, but when I press the view vert. button nothing appears! :oshi:
*Cough*32bitWindowsXPsucks.*Cough*

make sure you have the 3d cube selected at the top, not the 2d cube or the sphere

Every Time i type in the offset number it says : Errorjava.io.FileNotFoundException:model.mdlo0 (The System cannot find the file specified)
D:D:

you may have messed up in the process.

Okay, I'm trying to vertexing Ike's sword, but i have a problem: i did the process EXACTLY how you written in the tutorial, but when replacing in Brawlbox the model it gave me multiple errors, and when I finally manage to open the preview, i can see ONLY the bones.
Where have I mistaken?

when that happens youve done something in dasdonkey it didnt like, or you tried to export before saving, OR you could have simply put in the wrong offset number. Putting in the wrong number can either cause only the bones to appear, or one of the body parts to look like a jagged raisin

Maybe the problem COULD be the offset number.
In Brawlbox the offset is -17760, i don't know if i should write -17760 or 17760...
Anyway, now i'll re-do the process while writing on wordpad the sequences, so you'll maybe find out where i'm doing this wrong...

either way it should work. minor things can upset both programs. they're very fragile.

still not working :/

dasdonkey seems to have a problem with windows 7

I have Windows 7 dasdonkey isn't working really good for me either :(

How Do You Zoom In While Looking At The Vertecies? Like, when i click the eye ball thing (zoom) the black dot things dissappear

you have to clock one of the boxes at the bottom. youll see the size of the grid change. then click the dots again and youll see them

In Anim8tor how do I move just 1 point? How can I resize stuff? All these tools are confusing me :/

Hey Ms Spinda, Will This Work with Viles New Vertex Box? @.@ I'm trying this again.....

I got this to work, my only problem is finding what part of a model is what XD

if you simply click it instead of draging a box over it, it selects just that vertex. and im trying to update my tutorial lol

Im aware that it sucks, but thats what my dad got. Make sure at the top it says you have the DDV open, and the vertecies will only appear when the button with 3 dots is selected. just because its not doesnt mean theyre gone, theyre still there, you just cant see them for a moment

if i had some way to make a video i would, so if anyone knows a free way i can do that, ill make it into a video

HyperCam2

http://hypercam.softlate.com/?gclid=COLcyYLk56gCFQE2gwodu16kEw

video will be uploaded momentarily

Actually I got it fixed, look at the last post on page 10

video is up!

thank you!!!!! The VIdeo is So Much More Clear.

yeah but my allergies arent lol

lol             mine are horrible right now too. >.<


But I finally Got this to Work!! :D

lol its all good. im starting to compile a list of polygons anim8or seems to have a problem with

I'm trying to vertex hack an item, but when I create a 3ds file, it sais "Errorjava.io.EOFException". What should I do? :'(

Oh, and also, I can't edit the vertices when i open animator. The 3ds file is succesfully created but it can't be edited.

Please Don't Double Post, You Need to click "modify' On your first one!

like i said it has a problem with somethings. wht item are you trying to edit?

Hello, Ms Spinda! I seem to have a problem with Anim8or. I opened it up, and it says Object: DDV, but when I click on the vertice edit button, nothing appears. I clicked on the eye, then the button in the video, then the dots, but nothing happens :oshi:. I'm trying to edit Sheik's hair.

If youre running windows7 my method doesnt work. What OS are you using

Windows XP
It works in 3DS Max but I get an exporting issue, so I wanna try this.

Make sure at the top you have the 3d cube selected and not the 2d cube or the 2d sphere. it should be the one farthest left of the three

Thanks! It works now. It had the sphere selected XD. Now I can made Sheik's hair OoT 3d-like. Again, thanks SO much, Ms. Spinda.


And by the way, maybe it's my rotten luck, but I get an error opening Link's cap. Maybe it's one of those no-open polygons like ZSS face and DDD coat.

indeed it is. lol i was gonna make a melee sheik when i got around to it. using the tool that stretches would be best. and be sure to rename the pony bones and set all there translations to 0. That will give you the effect you want

I actually liked the text and pictures tutorial, my internet can't load youtube videos as fast. :P

i can bring it back lol

Um... a lot of the vertecies seem to appear at the bottom of their feet. I can't work like that :(

yeah thats a vertex cloud. :\ not fun are they

Is there a way to easily identify which vertexes correspond with the body parts? I'm trying to vertex certain body parts but i can't see because the vertexes are all over the place (not to confuse you with vertex clouds XD)

not that i know of at least not for this method :c

I'd like to know, what happens if I move the vertices in a vertex cloud? <_<

based on what vertices you select, say you select a whole row and move it to the left.  the legs and feel are what is in the vertex cloud. theyre both crossed and inside eachother so if you move it all left for instance, 2 4ths of the legs and feet will be rly up high and the rest would be rly down low making everything look rly discombobulated

Erm...I can get everything to work okay(which I'm glad your method with anim8tor exists. I can't get Autodesk 3Ds max 8, and blender...Didn't work so well...)

But the fact that I cannot see the model, or at least the fact that the vertices are spread out in such a weird manner prevents me from making the edits I want to.

I want to edit the back of Marth's armor, the straps, but it's mixed in completely with his feet and legs. I can't find the specific vertices I wish to reposition with any level of ease.

This link has Mariokart64n's advance vertex tutorial for use with Autodesk, and he has written a script that re-arranges the vertex set to look like how it does on a T-posed model.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=8577.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=8577.0)

Could something like his script be created that repositions the vertex set in Anima8tor? Would make things alot more convenient. <:3c

YESZ , now I can vertexing my textures
Thank you !  :)

awesome turtorial :D