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Everyone who can 3d model, post here with these details:

Model Name
1 wireframe
1 textured
1 posed?
Tri/Poly count
texture res (and amount of textures)
Rigged?

3D modelers are needed for something special...

Does partial size modifier count? Or are you talking about Viewing models in 3Dmax.

Actuall modeling, like maya, max, blender and all that bull[censored].

Oh then count me in.

Model Name
1 wireframe
1 textured
1 posed?
Tri/Poly count
texture res (and amount of textures)
Rigged?

picano made an awesome pic for me. he might participate in this

I'll be in this list soon enough. In about a month.

I am going to make a rydia model for electro, so i will probably post that here, just to show what qualty the models should be (at least).

So, what is this I'm thinking about modeling for?

Its a project for brawl, you will have more details when you are accepted in.

I model for playboy. Can I be in?
Pic:  :zsuit:

I made a model for ZZS. And boy did she have huge boobs and a huge a ss.

I mean make something form scratch, jeez whats the deal with everyone not making anything from scratch.

Oh then I make crappy diamond models.

someone make Galactic Knight!

Or not.

If this is what I think it is, my head a splode! You win over 9000 internets!!!!

Well, I don't 3d model often, but I do have A thing or two in development..

It's far from finished, and the textures are all placeholder for now. The mesh is almost done, aside from some optimizing, and a few unneeded polys. Not made in 3dmax, hence to horrid smoothing. Easy to fix.

Lucario
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/Ice-god64/LucarioR6Wire_.png)
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/Ice-god64/LucarioR6_untextured.png)
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/Ice-god64/LucarioR6_Posed.png)
Tri/Poly count: 3702
Textures are entirely placeholder until I have textures made; I suck with Photoshop.
Rigged: Not yet

Did you make that yourself or did you just display Brawl's Lucario model?

Anyways, we all know this means the return of the Forbidden Seven!

I take it that's a compliment, right?
Thanks.

Its not a revival of the forbidden 7 at all, it could involve that, but the plans are alot bigger.

Yes, that's what I meant. I'd rather play as a 7 foot tall monstrous deformation of Pikachu than Pichu.

Lol.

No, I'm not going to put Mewtwo/Young Link in Brawl if that's what this.

Neither am i. Im putting in other people.

It depends, if I don't care about most Lucario models, I would just get Mewtwo, but there would probably be tons of epic Zelda based models for Toon Link and Link, so Young Link won't end up in my Brawl.

once model editing can be done, something entirely different can be set on characters...
So you can't just put Young Link on Link, you could get something like.. Bowser Jr put instead of Link.

Of course, you may also want to mention that it'll take pretty good animation skills as well. ;)

I pray that Peach gets replaced with Elder Princess Shroob. If you've never played through Mario and Luigi:: Partners in Time, you have no clue how awesome of a final boss that is.

When it's doable, Phoenix Wright.

If no one else does, I will.

dibs on N64 models...
:)

I'll try, I'll be the weak modeler,but hey, what the hell!
Brawl legend of zelda edition maybe with goron, zora and deku link?

Edit:You should let me join since I'll make you all look better, unless I go crazy on models.

Yes! We definitely need some more Zelda! Goron powerhouse v.s. Zora ninja! Probably model making won't be as popular as textures because of how much skill is probably nessessary to do it, but I suppose I'll give it a shot. Though I'm sure downloading other people's models will be all the rage.

So... why hasn't anybody posted here recently? It seems like a pretty important project.

I'm in animation classes... I can't really get some stills up right now, but I have examples of my work.

my final project for the last school year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5odLKTbd4q4&feature=channel_page

my first project for the last school year (pretty old):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wwcVEiSo0E&feature=channel

Very soon, I will learn more advanced character modeling and rigging

Your animations are too stiff, make youre characters in constant movement and more flamboyant. Think of what your body language would be when your doing that stuff, and take breathing and little movements into consideration.

I'm not that far into my program... including rigging and character modeling, I was planning on more movements for characters until I realized that I couldn't really do any of that until I rigged them. so they all ended up having singular poses. so I really wasn't trying to make them move at all, just model stuff and make a cinematic short.

but it was overall the best final project of the class, and I'll hopefully learn more for making characters better soon

I really don't think model replacing is going to work guys, even if your model did get into the game, would the game know how to move it. I think it would look like an unplayable T-stance blob.

well I believe since the models are loaded with the skeletons of each characters, it would be as simple to at least modify the original models into whatever, considering tons of the characters are playable with moveswaps, and each moveswap could work completely with the right material to avoid defaulting to t-poses and game freezing. so the hardest character "templates" to follow or their skelitons to apply at least correctly would be kirby, game & watch, jigglypuff, bowser, samus/zzsamus, zelda/shiek, and pokemon trainer

BONES

Do you know them?

I know what they are. I'm just saying I have my doubts.

Oizen, oizen, oizen, models have already been replaced ;)

Plus, it sounds like you know very little on the subject.

http://www.zeldacapital.com/3d.php  will any of these work for models?  XD I have no clue about any of this.

Man, from now on they shouldn't tell us they're starting a project, so it doesn't eat away at us like this. Also in contraindication to my last sentence, I'm thinking of makeing a new model for every character.

Some of those will be pretty usefull, like twilight midna.

i kinda failed in my last attempt to rig those a few weeks ago haha
but i can confirm they work in blender :)

Won't models be too big to put on a SD card, I know you could get a few on there but The wii can only read 2GB SD cards.

Ugh oizen, again research first, each .pac and .pcs file have 2 models within them, the visual one and the shadow model. Anyway, models arent that big to begin with, all the textures should naturally take up more space than the model.

I know I don't know much about them. >.> So thats why I ask.

Not quite. the newest updates for the wii allow the SDHD cards with 8GB storage. Even if you don't update the wii, I think HBC will recognize it with a new update, and gecko os works with it now.

Read my post :P

http://elitesmashhackers.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/the-truth-sigh/

soo, if they would work, then all of the models on this site would work? http://www.scifi3d.com/

Any model would work as long as the wii can run them (about 8000 tris or less and a total texture res of around 1024x1024), you just have to rig it.

So, at this stage, I'm guessing that the only reason nobody's actually used them in Brawl is because we're waiting for Pharrox's converter? Or have people already used them in-game?

Damn. I just realized how easy it would be to re-create the forbidden 7.  They all seem to be a lot like clones...

No we are still waiting.

I hope Pharrox's converter is released soon DX

i'm looking foward to rotom, darkrai, Cyclone, an Convexity. i can't imagine how awesome it'd be if they were in. i too hope it's released soon

i hope modeling also comes with re-animating...we could srsly make like characters that seem like sakurai made them :o

My list of Must-Haves for Model Hacking:
1. Zant
2. Paper Mario/Luigi
3. Elder Princess Shroob
4. OoT Beast Ganon
5. Mudkip
6. Koopa Troopa
7. Midna (and Wolf Link)

My list of Sort-of-Wants for Model Hacking:
1. Dodongo
2. Octorok
3. ReDead
4. Shadow Beast (TP)
5. Trogdor
6. SMG Bowser
7. Hooded Zelda
8. Manchu (one that doesn't freeze)

MY list of must-haves for model hacking:
1. Goomba
2. ALL naruto characters non-shippuden and shippuden
3. ...master hand? o_O
4. Gygas
5. Pac Man
6. Spyro
7. All memes (awesome face, shoop da whoop ect.)
8. weegee
9. Spongebob!
10. Bowser jr
11. COMPLETELY accurate baby characters
12. Boo
13. ~maybe~ waluigi
14. Main family guy characters
15. main Simpsons characters
16. The left out melee characters (mewtwo, dr mario, pichu, ect.)
17. Left out sonic characters... (tails, shadow, knuckles)
18. Toad
19. well, my list goes on and on and on and on...so ill stop here and end it with CAPTAIN GINYU!  

my list

1. Cyclone
2. Rotom
3. Convexity
4. Darkrai/darkrown
4.5? Galactica Knight
5. Silver
6. Metal Sonic
7. Shade
8. Chaos 0
9. metal Knuckles
10. Spyro
11. Cynder
12. Marx
13. Simirror
14. Biospark

some are fan made, but oh well

A not fan boy must have
Lyn
Roy
DixieKong
Mewtwo
Pichu
YoungLink
Baby Mario
Baby Luigi
Bowser Jr
Naruto
Sasuke
Sakura
Ichigo
Lolita(XD the girl on my icon!)
Dawn
Daisy
Ryu
Chun-Li
Raiden(MGS)
well i think im done...it's not like im gonna play all of them

my list. i will be more then glad to contribute to this. i cant model hack, but i do textures and specialize in PSA. any1 need anything made reffering to this project, just let me know :D
my list:
top 10
Master Cheif!!!
V (from V for vendetta. marth with a hat and daggers. texture hacks and PSA can take care of the rest)  ;D
Midna+wolf link
Banjo Kazooee
De Blob
Rayman
Lora Croft (tomb raider mother SAKURAI!!!!!!!!ers!)
shadow the hedgehog!!!
Goku
Crystal (star fox assult. mabe in bikini w/ staff like in adventures. dont care)

_{these are some other random ideas:
Megaman (i dont really care. im tired of ppl complaining tho)
Soth
Soren
skirmir (if possible in both human and beast form. PSA can take care of the changing. textures can make him any of the beast Laguz)
Crystal (star fox assult. mabe in bikini w/ staff like in adventures. dont care)
De Blob
Mii (from nintendo  :D)
Rayman
Lora Croft (tomb raider mother SAKURAI!!!!!!!!ers!)
shadow the hedgehog!!!
Goku
Paper mario/ luigi
TROGDOR!
spongebob squarepants (lets get sued by nickolodean :D)
Goku
vegeta
Naruto
Kakashi
Sauske
sakura
Toad
Boo
skull kid (majora mask FS any1?)}[/s]

im would like to see a paper mario model placed on Mr game&watch. I would guess they would be the easiest to make since they are basically paper.

Giygas Giygas Giygas Giygas... GIYGAS!

I suggest modeling mewtwo,(or ripping from melee) and then modifying it so it looks like Giygas.

and people told me that modeling for SSBB was impossible :P

I keep getting the feeling these days that it's only a matter of days until Pharrox releases the model converter. I don't know why, but I just have that gut feeling.

i had that feeling a long time ago and vyse told me there was no progress in like months so i just gave my hopes up v-v

... what's taking Pharrox so long?!

I saw the thread, pharrox is stuck on a single byte! as of a little bit ago, he said he needed 3 more bits, and expects to solve it today.

so obviously whatever took so long was worth the wait.

i know rite! :[ maybe he has lots of skool work -idk if hes even in school because i didnt even know who he was until modeling >.>-  maybe he's done but purposely torturing us all >:[ OR...he...lost inernet connection and couldnt share it with the world? lol
or maybe he like just finished it as we speak and is getting ready to let us have it  :af:

W8 WUHT!? WHICH MEANS....HE'S PROB GUNNA BE DONE TODAY OR TOMMOROW?! ZOMGBALLZOMGEPICWIN

FUDGEBALLZBBQONABUNFART! I knew it! My gut NEVER lies! Seriously, once I was sick and had to drink medicine. My gut said, "Don't drink dat sh*t, boi." I did anyways, and I immediately vomited uncontrollably on the street.

GET UR GUT TO SAY RE-ANIMATING WILL BE DONE IN 1.55 SECONDS! lol

how the heck can Giygas be modeled in 3D?
I think you're talking about Giegue there. The one that looks like Mewtwo.

edit: oh so I guess I should be F5ing Smashboards until the model importer is released?

he is talking about "Giegue." i would have had no clue wtfbbqsauce it would be if it didnt say "human giygas" or sumthin like that...and to think im a gigantic mother 3/earthbound fan

...i should be ashamed v-v

edit: id actually suggest going to sleep and wake up and hope modeling has come out >.>

they're the same person. learn your earthbound

even I knew that! :p


I keep refreshing my page hoping to see sum1 say MODEL HACKING IS OUTOMGOMGOMG (insert link here)

 :srs:

that whole name thing is due to translation errors. earthbound 0 was never officially translated into english.

and Giygas's earthbound form would be a background for the final smash, it would replace whatever the stages background is, and scare the living(or dead) [censored] out of the characters, and perhaps spawn random Giygas attacks all over the stage.

anyway, I was not referring to his mother 3 form, (look up the unused boss on the earthbound wiki) but to his earthbound 0 form. which is what was stolen by pokemon.

It takes great effort for a company to steal from itself :P

lolwut (http://th06.deviantart.net/fs41/300W/i/2009/239/e/8/Mewtwo_x_Giegue_by_hea777.png)

How do i use flash?
You know we should really have a code like this
#Invalid YouTube Link#

heh, they messed up his appearance on that one. I picture Giygas with pointier ears, skewed more to the side of his head, a thin tail, (without that retarded lump in the front that mewtwo has) and an expression that shows no emotion. (he has emotions though) and his feet would be smallish, kind of pointy, unlike mewtwos bulging toes, and his hands are sort of tenticle like.(not squid tenticles) Of course Giygas is grey with dark blue shadows, and he has red eyes, except the outside white part is black... That's how I picture a modernized Giygas.

Since what you faced in earthbound 0 I suspect is Giygas inside an early version of the Devils Machine, and the resolution wasn't as good as it is now, it leaves room for imagining the details.

srry DMN but i dont rlly know how...:/

anyways imma go in ten mins and when i wake up, i hope model hacking will be done  :af:

(http://blogs.lasvegascitylife.com/wp-content/media/2008/04/kuato-blog.thumbnail.jpg)
My gut says re-animating will be done in 1.55 seconds!

OMG MODLE HAX. I NED A MODlE THT LOKS LIEK SHADDOOOW THE HEADHOG. PLZPLPZLPZLPZLPLZPLZPLZLPLPZLPZLZLPLPLPZ OMGGGGGGGGG


*head asplodes*

holy [censored]! wtf is that, Stuff?! damn, thats gross.

I think I might actually fight Giygas again so I can have Giygas nightmares instead of... that thing...

...O_O

*double posts ftw* Did modelnig come out yet?

YESH(was gonna post this with flash but IDK how to work it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Fpso_VOaU&feature=player_embedded
ZOMG the fight is epic!
Also i never knew any of this was going on in MKwii!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeNDc3g00Tc&feature=related

 IMFRNLZH DAMMIT! THAT WAS A DIRTY TRICK!

ESH lost the last bit of respect I had for it after their GD stunt...

lol. I've got nothing against that site... or his textures for that matter. I just can't believe he'd do something that low when its near time for the model program to be released.

wow...i used to "like" ESH because of mastalko, starshadow, and shukakusand, but this...this just makes me sick. he RECORDED the buffering sign thing, and made a video trying to deceive us...tht one guy in the comments is rite this deserves one star *click*

wut happened? i thot he only had 3 bytes and was expected to finish it yesterday V_V im giving my hopes up >_>

It's a troll, and a hilarious one. 5 stars.

... You guys do know that the video was just a joke, right? Like a "Ha ha, you got me" joke, not a "@#$% YOU BSZ" joke. I thought it was funny.

Same here. I thought it was my connection or something haha.

He probably wasn't aware that actual model hacking was close to being done.

I would of laughed if it involved a brown haired guy singing a stalker-ish love song.

not just the youtube buffering icon...

I'm pretty sure he knows EXACTLY where model hacking is right now. He looks at Pharrox's topic quite frequently.
I thought the video was funny... maybe long, but still funny

where is pharroxs topic >.>

it's kinda obvious that BSZ made it as a joke. he's probably the most knowledgeable person about model hacking besides pharrox. he knew a lot of people were anticipating the release of model hacking, so he made the video, albeit a poorly executed trick.

though, some people just can't take a joke

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227326

but thats just a model extractor...?

exactly

no... it started as that but in more recent posts and pages, he has been working on getting a GUI for importing and exporting models. start from like page 85 and then read Pharrox's posts

well...does that mean we're able to get models into brawl yet?

that's like what the whole discussion here was about. the importing whatever seems to be almost finished

This topic just started over...

But they r gunna be in a T pose till re-animating comes out rite?

NO! making a 3d model is ALL ABOUT animating them!

sorry for yelling... lol, Its funny how I'm yelling at someone with a SHOOP DA WHOOP avatar. :P

lolwut XD

so...ur guess is it WONT go to T pose?

its NOT a guess.

the entire idea of making a 3d model for brawl is that you will have made an ANIMATED model for brawl. what moron would release an unanimated model? I guess if it was a particle based character like whisp, but other than that...

ill just have to take ur word up on tht one...

hmm, so when model hacks come out, will people make textures of the new models? i will for sure. i just want to know other people's opinion.

i also will, for sure, whats the point of having a new model with no texture? lol it would suck if we couldnt add textures to models

wouldnt you have to change the programing of the game so it adds the new textures for the models the way they are suppose to be added?

there is probably data that tells how the texture is wrapped on the model, possibly in the pac/pcs files themselves. it might be possible to use data other models have on how their textures wrapped around, and simply import the model and textures together

I don't think so. If you view a Brawl model and texture in Blender, Blender hasn't been told any specifics about the textures, but can still replace them alright. 3Ds Max wraps them perfectly as soon as you pick the texture. So, sense the texture and model are both held in the same file (.pac), I'm guessing they'll work alright.

wow, so... if I am getting this right, there could be multiple models within one char?

I think so. I know that if you rename say... "FitLink00.pcs" to "FitCaptain00.pcs" and move it to Falcon's folder, not only does Captain Falcon use Link's textures, but also his model! But the other texture slots are normal, therefore, you are correct.
However, I think most models will come with a PSA, considering that our actual goal is to replace the characters. So, yeah, multiple models, but they'd all have the same moves (but not animations).

I'm still waiting for my sound/voice effect hacking...

nobody seems to take me up on that idea...

It's odd how melee is able to do that but brawl isn't... or maybe no ones bothered to

I'd like that too. Might happen eventually.

That's because (Not really sure) the voices are separate, and not compressed; they're .adx files. So, Captain Falcon's YES, is one .adx file, Kirby's Hi is another.

I'll look in the .iso right now.

EDIT: Might be a .ssm file.

Would a .ssm be a collection of sayings? Ex.: Would Falcon only have one .ssm?

Turns out, it is. Yes, for the example, but REAL Player sucks, and didn't want to play it.

This thread is running a muck.

A lot of the things coming out your mouths sounds really ignorant.

Your best off to just wait for the model importer.

Just to clear some [censored]e up:
The models WONT be in t pose, they will share the animations from the character they are replacing.
The models WILL have textures, they will be loading from a separate brres just like regular brawl models.
You WILL be able to texture hack custom models.
You WILL have to rig the model for it to work.

Is the .brres outside or inside the .pac? I thought that the model was part of the .pac. Will animations be in a seperate file?

brres is inside and outside depending on the file. all the in game character portraits are brres file. if you put a .pac on ssbextract, you will get brres files for textures, models, pallettes, etc

I remember someone posted a link to a pic showing a list of brawl things and in the list had the forriden 7,i need that.

those files are empty. don't bother

Also icegod, stage models are fairly different to the player models. Stage models link to TONNES of other files, they will need to be decrypted and replaced before it will be able to happen. Some of the stage MDL0 files arent linked to anything, so they should work just fine.

Does that mean that we can edit some of the stages partially? Ex.: Being able to edit the FD platform, but not the background.

I need it to show somebody.

Don't bother, they're dummy files.

lol come om guys i just need to see something.

Yeah, I guess you don't understand what a dummy file is. There's nothing in those files. You won't see anything in them.

the creation of a method of model hacking in brawl coincidentally is progressing nearer to the time I'm going to learn how to rig models in my animation program... awesome

There's nothing to see except a universal header that is on every single ef_[character].pac

The interesting thing though is that Mr. Game and Watch, Warioman, Giga Bowser, the alloys, sheik, and Nana are all dummies as well (128 bytes each)

How come a lot of my posts aren't here?

Im assuming the host site just rolled everything back, coz tonnes of my posts aren't here.

?
I can see your posts.

No my recent posts before the forum went down. There not here.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=250568
It has something to do with models.

isnt that just to preview textures on your computer instead of going to the wii to test them?
i dont think it has anything to do with model hacking.

Yeah... except the models get all weird and glitchy.

oh...okay,might get it.

It still works pretty good, but that's all I use it for. For actual hacking, I use SmashBox, for replacing the .pcs's and CSP's I use the Texturizer.

...my gosh so many programs O_o
thats why im not into it.

Now they've been compacted into one, BrawlBox. SmashBox with model viewing.

with model hacking just around the corner. Im really interested in trying it myself but i know nothing on how to get started. Is there a guide and free program for starters that can teach me how to make models? I would imagine its like sculpturing ( which i can do0 but with the computer.

So.. if anyone knows of a free program and good guide can you guys post a link or something? If not, i guess ill have to wait till next semester to take a class or something.

I want everything that wii's asking for. Model hacking sounds amazing, but I don't know crap about how to edit models.

Go pirate a copy of 3ds max, come into the irc and i can help you out. Or even better, gimme your skype.

I've tried using a demo of 3Ds Max, but it can't even open the .dae's without freezing... how am I supposed to know that the full version would work?
Btw, I don't have Skype.

yea, i tried downloading the program 3ds max yesterday but it wouldnt work so i deleted it. Any links to a good copy of it that WILL work?

... I got 3Ds Max, but it won't even open. Seriously, I try to open it, and an error message pops up and nothing happens. It's the 32-bit version, my laptop is 64-bit... maybe that has something to do with this...

mine was called "3D Studio Max 9 + Tutorials and Keygen" and it's about 781MB. Find one with lots of seeds and it should work.

Sounds like mine. I think that maybe it had problems installing or something. I'll try again sometime.

Try looking at my thread in Tuts & Guides.  There's a link there.

That's the exact same version I used. Same file name and everything.

i am an average 3d modeler with 3ds max 2009

IDK if this needed a bump...
Correct me if I'm wrong.

This has been dead for a long time. Look at the last date.

N-n-n-necropost!

OH GAWD! NECROPOST!!

so model importing from other games is basically where this went? aww and i was so excited for wolf link! im sad now :(

vertex hacks and model importing from other games.

but custom made model importing is still being worked on, I guess... We need to be able to convert .3ds to .mdl0

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
waits patiently some more.... AGAIN...