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It's an all new SSBB pack. This is Super Smash Bros Brawl Legacy, where the characters from the past Brawl and some new ones come together for the real ultimate test!

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I am almost done with this massive year long project, and I'm working for a Virtually Freeze-Free Mod of characters, menus, stages, music, and maybe sounds too.

All of the characters will have new movesets, and textures, but the sfx will not be edited, unfortunately.

There will be a brand New Stage Select System that Randomizes stages and also allows for Secret, Special, and Bonus Stages to be placed based on button input.

I'm so close to finishing this project, and I can assure that this will be a very large project that will require a 2G SD card and Gecko OS operatibility. RiiVolution should work also, though I'm unsure, because this incorporates ASL.

So far in my Vault, I have released several Legacy characters that will be in SSBBL, and the roster so far is a little flexible. I'm needing a replacement for Wolf - An effective, non-freezeing replacement.

Surprisingly enough, I discovered that there's still plenty of work needed to be done, so the completion date is shaky.

Some of the new features?

-Most moves will have very little/no hitlag, meaning DI will be very difficult, and acion will be faster paced. Only super strong moves like Ganon's Unlimited Warlock Punch and Zelda's Super Echo Blade will have hitlag, even having some of those strong moves have 3x the hitlag, to emphasize the Pain factor.
-Some stages will have random switching between Day/Night, Weather, Location, in-game Time of Day Switching, Stage Switching based on Real-Time, and the ability to chose Special, Secret, and Bonus stages that will all be indicated by special Icons in the SSS
-It's not overpowered, but not really balanced - It's JUST a small bit stronger than normal brawl, but the action is more fast-paced and more friendly with offense, but if someone were to take a Legacy PSA and put it against a normal default PSA, there wouldn't be really any advantage to either side, apart from general factors like Strength, Speed, Agility, Weight, etc. If I had to estimate, this would be about 2% stronger than normal brawl.
-Many More!

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will the chars.  like mario get new moveset
cloud/daisy i know will get moveset

if not and if this is something of starter pack inc. my SMBZ mario moveset :D

Every character will have a new moveset, and every stage will be different(except Lylat Cruise, because it does sorta fit.)

I just need help changing some characters SFX, and the announcer still calls old peoples names like Peach and Olimar

Interesting, though i probably won't try it unless there's an ISO made of it.
I don't use my SD card for brawl hacks since i use the USB Loader

There's Rina-chan who does a female announcer call for every character so far, you could ask her to do a few for you.

what kind of moveset you have planed for Mario/Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi?
and Sonic

The Mario and Yoshi ones are up for download in my vault, but the others will be released in the SSBBL final pack.

looks like a good idea, can't wait for the final project, brawl needs some variety

Sounds and looks like a perfect idea

You have Pichu Bros....

... but you don't have Ridley.

wat

vivi isnt nintendo, hes final fantasy, just like cloud

Vivi would be Square Enix.

Also are you going to be doing anything with the thp videos in subspace? If this is going to be a whole new thing I thought it would make sense if the subspace videos were changed to fit the new and old.

If you finish this, I'll be surprised.  These kind of things NEVER get finished unless there's a team of Smashboards pros working on them. 

But good luck nonetheless.

Okay, my wii won't let me hack videos for some reason, so I can't really do nothing about subspace,

and Ridley's too big to be a playable character, and who would he replace?

Probably one of the alloys, though i wouldn't mind having Ridley over Yoshi :P

Hey don't diss Yoshi like that! Diss luigi...

And I can't do that CSS stuff on my wii neither, for whatever reason, I have no idea.

I don't like yoshi's play-style, i'd prefer a perfect working Ridley then Yoshi.
Same like i'd replace Olimar with Cloud and R.O.B. with Ichigo. 3 characters i don't hate but who's play-style isn't really all that good (except R.O.B. who plays well)

yeah,  did the same with Olimar, but gave R.O.B. a water moveset because no one else in my roster controlled water, and if I hadn't done that then R.O.B. would've been gone too, but i'm hoping to see if someone can port Rosalina over DDD or Wolf, and maybe Shadow or Tails as well

will this project have codes in it? becuase if it has it wont be Pal friendly :S
also pichu bros psa will only come with the final release? and i hope they have an alternate texture of being minun and pluse xD

just a quick question why lucario and not mewtwo? because i think mewtwo is badass and has more fan base xD

The Site ranks people based on how many posts someone has put up, but I assure you that,"Newbie Kitten" is an inaccurate title


Planning on doing that Minun/pluse when I get around to it

But yeah, there's codes

If he would make an ISO based on fanbase then it wouldn't be brawl anymore. It would be Final Fantasy Melee. >_>

I rather have Lloyd over wolf, Rosalina over Peach, Shadow over Sonic and Silver over Kirby. That way i can kick out a few characters and replace them with characters i like.

Ganondorf stays just because i main him and he's badass xD

I've been trying to get in Rosalina, Shadow, and Mewtwo

-If Mewtwo comes in, I need both Mewtwo and Lucario in - people only port him over Lucario for some reason
-I need to port characters over DDD and Wolf because they've been acting glitchy, and i wanna get rid of Diddy Kong because he's been nothing but an annoying monkey
-Tails and Silver are maybes
-I have Daisy over Peach - Peach has no business being in a fighting game
-I've been looking at Lloyd, but it's not completely finished yet
-Ganonorf, Link, Yoshi, Mario, Zelda, Sonic, and meta Knight are absolutely not getting bumped out of this roster!
-Snake may be out, cause Nintendo sold him to Sony, and maybe Falco or Jigglypuff.

isnt there a mewtwo port over donkey kong? it just nneds psa for n B and up B the rest works well

Can't get rid of Donkey Kong!! SSBBL is really a serious game, and DK's the comic relief! He goes in the above list of not to get rid off!

But, that's Luigi's job :(
Whatever, I hope I see this done one day, your PSAs are pretty awesome.

Well
Luigi has that two, along with Wario and Kirby

I've included a complex stage system, as there are about 80 playable stages and counting, all recolers as well as models and imports. In the SSS will be certain icons in the preview part, telling the stage's functions
-Weather: Stage will randomly change weather when selected
-Time of Day: Stage will randomly change to Day, Evening, Night, etc when selected
-Match time Change: Stage will go through Day and Night during the match, like Battlefield
-Real-time Change: Stage will change location based on real time
-Map: Stage will randomly choose a location in the are to play on,usually a location not seen in a different location
-Calender: Stage will appear different based on four seasons
-Special Stage[Red EXclamation]: When a certain button combination is held, it will switch to a completely different stage, relating to the original stage.
-Bonus Stage[Yellow Exclamation]: When a certain button combination is held, it will switch to a completely different stage, which may or may not have something to do with the original stage.
-Secret Stage[Purple Exclamation]: When a certain button combination is held, it will switch to a stage hidden within the stage.

For example, If I select Rainbow Road, and it has a Map and a Red exclamation, it may randomly switch locations on the track per match, one match being down where the loops are, another being up in the tunnel where the finish line is. Optionally, I can hold the button combination and go to maybe, Blue Moon Battleship.

Or, if I go to Bowser's Palace whch has a Map, I may randomly appear in either the throne room, reactor room, castle top, tower, dungeon room, or his Airship.

Maybe I'll want to go to Coconut Mall which has a map icon to indicate that is will switch between the parking lot and garden, and a Time of Day icon to indicate that the time of day will be random as well, meaning I could be in the garden at night or in the parking lot at sunset.

All these icons indicate a randomization or a prompt to input a small button combination, usually holding A and a D-pad button. The actual icons won't do anything, just indicate that the stage has special functions.

if silver+tails why not Shadow too but that also means get rid of Sonic or Dk
i dont care about DK. he is not a real Mario Char.
maybe he was in the First mario game but later he only came in Mario Kart/Sport/party games not the real platform games(if not mario vs. Donkey to GBA) so i call him more a guest Char. for mario games
i dont hate DK. but i also dont love him :D more i dont care he is replace or is there

DK and Yoshi have their own series, but respect the fact that your princess invites them all for sporting events and parties.

I am more than happy to get rid of Pit, Diddy, DDD, Wolf, and Jigs to put in whoever I see fit. Suggestions?

Lloyd over Wolf
Cloud over DDD so we can have someone else over Yoshi or R.O.B.
Diddy.. no idea to be honest O.o
Pit needs the Isaac import, Isaac needs more love

Yoshi is more a Mario Char. he got alot of games with Mario bros. where he help save peach :D

Super Mario world.
Super Mario RPG
Yoshi´s Island(helped Baby Mario so still a mario game :D)
Super Mario 64(Yoshi is on the roof of Peach´s Castle)
Super Mario sunshine
SMG2
new Super Mario bros. Wii

he is in more Mario Games then Dk. is

the only game Mario is not in but only Yoshi is : Yoshi Story

Way ahead of you - Cloud's over Olimar

In terms of Yoshi, he's always had his own line of games against his rival Bowser. He stays in, R.O.B. might be out if I can get someone else with a water PSA in

Pit I was hoping to replace with Sora, or Sepiroth, but I guess if someone can do Isaac, maybe...

Lloyd's not even finished yet, neither is Vegeta, but they weren't getting in anyways lol.

I also wanted to have a stage where like Peach is watching on the sidelines, just to emphasize that she's not in the roster.

if Vegeta is in Goku need too :D'

Vegeta without "Adult" Goku is the same as
Luigi Without Mario
Tails or abit Shadow without Sonic

I made a working port over Yoshi for Ichigo (the vertex not the import, so technically Marth) without codes. all his jabs worked and didn't glitch aside the matches VS another Marth.. Since it'll use the same GFX set.. >_>"

Didn't upload it though

 :laugh:

Yeah that's the problem - people forget that SSBB is a nintendo thing, I mean, importing a few non-nintendo characters is alright, but I'm not trying to make half the roster non-nintendo!

but i dont think you want to get rid of Cp. falcon for Goku?
if Vegeta comes
anyway if you can make abit prograss or revamp my buggy Vegeta moveset you is welcome :D
while i working on Goku/SMBZ mario

Exactly. If Falcon goes out, my Wii will explode into a Black Hole that will suck up everything in the Universe out of Falcon's rage

Lucas to Kid goku(GT)

it will be a Luigi to Mario moveset

Luigi is almost a Clone of Mario´s moveset with his "A" attacks/throws(not "B")
same will Kid goku (GT) be same "A"/throws/N-B (ofc N-b) attacks as Adult goku
but rest is other

To be honest i like the Brawl roster but it needs other characters in there.

Lloyd, Goku, Cloud, Sephiroth, etc.

May as well dump some known issues I need to fix

Game Freezes because:
-Yoshi can't grab people with negative damage
-Smashville randomly freezes
-DDD and Wolf are glitchy, and I'm trying to remove them
 That's about it

Also, I can't replace .thp files, and Info.pac doesnt's work, even a clean one, so they'll be issues with the announcer calls and text, unless I can mute the announcer.

i like the 2nd. name you said :D
but for Adult Goku i am abit planing on port the vertex/Animations over a other since i really needing more Filesize for make a Adult goku moveset really good with the GFXs
so maybe over Pit :D

diddy kong i can´t since he got non GFX to replace inside Fitdiddy.pac
i can easy make a bad looking spirit bomb with just GFX ID: 30 but not a kamehameha

Hold on a sec! This is Super Smash Bros Brawl, not Super Dragon Brawl Z?!? I'll port a charcter or two from DBZ, but not from DBGT, and it has to be over someone who's not taken already!

ok then "Adult Goku" over Pit i think Pit is the best one for Vertex/Animation port of Adult goku :D
pit got good Filesize for get both Kaioken a really good looking Spirit Bomb and kamehameha
R.o.B i am not sure about for replace with adult Goku
since R.o.b dont got many Voices to replace to like kamehameha or KAIOKEN! :D
but Cp. falcon is a made one for make someone like Goku he got too low filesize for the psa
if you can help me abit on Goku´s Animations you can for sure use my moveset for this project if you want
since i will for sure port my goku over someone and i think it will be pit

That Goku over Pit sounds good

and someone please port the vertexs of Goku(also SSJ1,2,3,4 vertexs) to work with Pit and get the Fitpit.pac ready for these models then i can easyer make the rest

I forgot to also mention that if you try to climb a ladder the game freezes lol

Ok here's who I'm opting to switch-out

-King DDD
-Jigs
-Wolf
-Marth
-Ike
-Pit
-Diddy Kong

So if anyone... or anything can port over them, let me know  ;D

Ike= naturo but i dont think you wanted alot of Anime char. so ike can maybe just be Cloud so he fully working without codes and can get his SFX pack

Marth again a anime char.= Sasuke the only one i can think of right now also he dont got any movesets but only vertex
jiggy= tails
Pit = Goku (if someone can port the vertexs for work over Pit)
Wolf= Vegeta
King DDD= daisy and Peach is Back :D (i know you dont like peach but Peach+Daisy is the same as Sonic+Shadow or mario+Luigi or Goku+Vegeta)
rest i dont know

Daisy+Yoshi always works. I'd rather die than have to deal with that blonde weakling, even if that is a little extreme.

Naruto, maybe. I don't mind bringing in other people it's just I can't bring in too many people.

Tails aint finished yet

Vegeta is FAR from being finished

Saskue works, but is it the original one or the shippuden one, because I never did like shippuden

i wanted the original one too :D i mainly like there where Naruto was a stupid Kid :D
Vegeta is he is so far Done  but he will be

Goku he is almost done with many Animations only revamps/throws/up-tilt/Mario´s Catch Animations over Cp. falcon model and Entry needed
and ofc the port for vertex then PSA anything  :af2:
too bad i can´t do the Vertex Port over Pit and i am not sure how to remove Both Multi Jump to 2x jump and remove Glide

i'd say keep the throw the same to speed up the process, except have one of them spin around like Mario and throw the enemy up.

Entry, just modify the Falcon entry except Goku flies in rather than driving and invisible boatmobile :af:

that was my Plan but Cp. falcon´s throws/Catch animations not fit much for Goku
he more hold the enemy like Mario with Both hands
Spin around like Mario´s ThrowB will be on Goku´s ThrowB too :D

If you do port it over pit, keep the glide action - Think about it - it's kinda obvious! Everbody in DBZ does it!  :o

i know but still abit overpowered and etc.
the only Gliding i think is good is something like Peach´s but abit shorter time since the moveset is abit overpowered

(Peach is not Weak in Super Mario RPG :D she is the best Healer ever)

I'm trying to make it so that Daisy cant' do that floating thing, and walljump instead

and a Final Decision on Shadow: He's going over Marth

The only problem is that it's just illogical putting Shadow in when he's just going to pick up an assist trophy with himself inside XD

that means i need to revamp and Fix my Shadow over marth?
i can maybe Revamp it to work with Sd00m´s V2 moveset but not Fix the random Freezes
and you have to use one of mine Shadow-Kong friend Sonic PSas for Chaos spear GFx is there all time(or Shadow port Friendly Sonic PSas i can call it)

but it looks like some of my moveset is in this Project :D

Goku over Pit/Vegeta (wolf) and if i can do it a better Fire based Mario PSA :D

Wait you did Shadow over Marth? What're the glitches if any?

just look in my Vault but random Freezes and it only a port of Sdo0m´s V1 moveset
Chaos Spear is not working right (not only GFX if Sonic vs. Shadow but also Hitboxes)
but i think rest is working(i think) but i dont think i can fix random Freezes

(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6454/al0812080650binout.th.jpg)
long time ages i made this hack and was my 2nd. port/moveset hack
my First was Shadowkong v1(v1 moveset) :af2:
but not working very well (sry) so marth is not going to be Shadow

Maybe it freezes because the spear isn't working right, and the glitches in the spear commands may interfere with other commands and cause the random freezes.



(Bottomline, Peach can't fight, Daisy winds up being just as strong as Luigi, if not stronger in most games, while Peach ends up being one of the weaker people. And Daisy's also got quick feet in most of the games too, except Super Sluggers for some reason, but I still steal bases easily with her lol.)

then i am done with SMBZ Mario´s FS and the up-taunt
Goku is for sure next i will not update the FitCaptain.pac anymore since Goku Final version is over Pit (i hopefully Pit is Friendly for a SFX pack for Goku)
and if pit got much Filesize i think i can get Goku to SSJ mode i just needing a Goku Head of SSj/SSj3 :D(not rest of his body and low filesize then i can use it as GFX on goku´s Head)

I hope so, but where do sound effects go on the sd card anyways?

Pf/Sounds
but only works if you using Rii not Gecko OS
or using Gecko OS+Replaced Brsar inside the .iso(like me)
SuperZelda wanna help Revamp the already made Animations for Goku Maybe?
i have checked anything and Pit is a really good one for Goku PSA(i hope)
filesize is really much big
it looks like Pit also got the subactions that needed

i will look how the filesize on Fitmotion.pac is looking if it is good it is awesome :D

Damn no wonder I can't sound hack!

the bsrar goes in pf/Sounds, though? because I might try that.

yes it goes in there ;D

btw if i got time after Goku/SMBZ mario
and since i wanted to

want me to make a Fire Based mario PSA? it should be fast done since i got almost any animations i needing it will be mainly PSA work
Side-B = SMBZ Fireball(just have to fix Animations from Goku´s kamehameha to mario :D)
N-B normal Fireballs
Down-B Fire Mario Tornado
up-B same as Mario´s but with Fire dmg/effect
A attacks not sure yet

I already have decided that Phoenix Mario will be in, but if you want to, as I've said before, you can use anything in my vault for whatever you want to do. :af2:


So I still need to replace:

-King DDD
-Diddy
-Wolf
-Jigs
-Marth[unsure about that Shadow PSA]
-Ike
-that other guy I said before.

Don't ask me to replace Olimar, because I already replace him wit Cloud.

Shadow over diddy kong :D

Trust me, I would've said the same to anyone.  I haven't seen a single modset on this site that has ever been completed.  And some of the people that started them were pretty damn good at what they do. 

Well I mean there are going to be some bugs, and not all of them will be fixed, but it'll get done. I know that for a fact

you wanted to replae Metaknight or R.o.B(if possible) but SFX pack is going to be hard over R.o.B Metaknight too and Pit i think also
becoz some wanted sora over Pit but Metaknight is almost Free for anyone´s Roster

for Goku

MetaKnight stay's in, but i'm booting Pit

But right now the priority is getting DDD and Wolf out because they randomly freeze

If you complete it, you will go down in history my friend ;)

Much ablidged for the support SD.  :kdance:

But I think I should try putting in another fanon character, 'cause Marissa and Wisp turned out to be great, and I already got a model thanks to LookItsLink that I can edit.

But i'm really focused on getting rid of DDD and Wolf. Getting rid of them would get rid of a ton of freeze problems.

I also still have to worry abot Daisy, because I need to get rid of her floating thing from Peach, then make her walljump, and get her to use her Down-B in the air. If anyone's got anything to say, don't hesitate to post! I'm open to any and all suggestion!  :kdance:

Have you ever thought about Alucard?

Who dat?

Hey, hey im not done working on mine you crazy people....

My laptop is down for the count, and has the latest build on it until i get a new plug which should be here in a about a week im going to be updating again. With the only freezing glitch being the custom stage pack freezing glitch. So yeah....

Anyway good luck with Legacy, working by yourself is a lot tougher then you'd think, and constant code search unless your can make your own is like running into a brick wall all the coders are working on project:m and they're not giving an inch.

he is not working by him self
he will inc. Goku and i am working on him
Cloud he saying too and Sdo0m/.fade made cloud

I almost forgot about Overdrive @.@  You're the only one who made any real progress with their codeset here.  You got patience XD

I've pretty much got everything down already. I've got about 80 stages and counting with a code much different from the Stage Expansion Pack, and the only thing I have to do is port some new characters in. That's about it really, then I'm done!

I've been doing this for about a year trying to balance it with school, family and friends, and I'm going to be so glad when this is complete.  :kdance:

And everybody who's posted here will get collaboration credit, whether you want it or not!

Well from what you say, yours is more complete then i mine, I still have some work to to to characters specials and among other things.

Like one of the few thing i need to do is play around with the universal gravity so all the characters are slightly more heavier then what they are currently to speed up Overdrive a bit more. And i fixed the hit stun a bit more so it isn't so horribly laggy anymore.

But i can't wait to see what you've done so i hope you finish soon.

i can only help you with Goku/if you add Vegeta
i am not sure i can help with rest

i hope pichu brothers turn out good i wanted a psa for them but i guess no one like making psa for the ice climbers :S

I need to replace DDD and Wolf because they cause random freezes

So far, other characters I would like to cut are:
-Diddy
-Marth
-Ike
-Jigs
-Pit
-Maybe Snake
-Maybe Luigi

Possible characters coming in:
-Sepiroth
-Shadow
-Zack Fair[over Marth]
-Amy
-Tails
-Goku
-Naruto
-another fanon character(s)

That's about all that's left for the most part.

I'm in the process of making the Pichu Bros. PSA over the Ice Climbers, and possibly a Zack Fair PSA as well.

not Luigi
1. he is mario´s Brother
2. this is Freaking WEEGEE!!
3. he is awesome
4. daisy needs Luigi

That's just some fan rumor. Honestly, i'm pretty sure Daisy wants someone more manly, I mean, Peach and Luigi make more sense.

And Besides, Luigi is the comic relief. He's not going away for a long time.  8)

that's true

nice to hear xD well speaking of rel  files for ntcs users couldnt you replace those characters easy like rel over ike naruto could take a place of any of those you want to replace like wolf or DDD

I know a lot about stage rels, but not too much about character rels

To answer your question, Alucard is one of the characters from Castlevania. He's Dracula's sone (Alucard is Dracula backwards)

Go look at the statue on the Daisy course in mkwii. Daisy and Luigi together.

One thing I noticed is that your Daisy psa can be ported over Marth almost perfectly. Just fix the Side b. That way Rosalina(or Peach, I know you hate her) can go on Peach and Daisy can be on Marth.

Nintendo actually confirmed daisy and luigi are a couple btw are you using my tails in this?

I need completed movesets, so Tails probably won't be in it.

I'm also still debating about Zack Fair over Marth, and I doubt Rosalina should be in it now

i just noticed there is a cloud hack over DDD that must mean there is already a rel file of ike over DDD made so any psa you like in IKE you could just use it over DDD just use the same rel from that download

I have Cloud over Olimar, but if I wanted someone like Naruto in, I could just put the files over DDD with the .rel and it would work?

Just wait till version 3 comes out a PSA has already been made(still needs a few touch ups) and eternalyoshi is fixing the hurtboxes

But will there be glitches still? I'm trying to make this as glitch free as possible. Already can't climb ladders anymore

It wont have freezing glitches if that's what you mean

As long as it doesn't freeze, then it can go in.

k good I hope you'll be adding everyone who made the hacks included in the colab

Everyone who made characters, stages - even everyone who's posted here will get collab, so it'll be in everyone's vault.

Now I need suggestions for two over Ike so that one of them I can port to DDD, then I need someone over Wolf,

Do you need a SFX hacker for this? Like announcer calls

I have no idea how to SFX hack, and I was just going to leave that alone.

But I still need to replace DDD, Wolf, Jigs, Pit, Marth, Diddy. And the only ones on the maybe list are Zack Fair, Tails, Shadow, and Goku, so there's still some planning, and I need some more diverse ideas.

I can be the SFX hacker

Well, so far, Daisy may be the only one to SFX hack. Cloud, Midna, Pichu Bros., Marissa, and Vivi are all optional, but really only need announcer calls.

can you also make the Info.pac for the in-screen battle names, because everytime I try to do it, it freezes even when I use a clean, unchanged copy.

I could but my riivolution stretches My screen down so I can't see the battle names the only way I can is change the position of the HUDS

I actually just need the names changed, and make sure it's usable.

Peach -->> Daisy
Olimar -->> Cloud
Ness -->> Marissa Arkana
Lucas -->> Vivi
Toon Link -->> Midna
GW -->> Wisp Elemental

K first I have to try and change the positions of the HUD

Pit = goku :D
ppl have voted on goku over Pit :D in my thread

I'v finished the ports sending them soon

Nice! Okay Goku's in SSBBL now!

Pit -->> Goku

dont get any hopes yet first lets hope Goku will not be 100% buggy and etc.

k so now,

-DDD
-Wolf
-Marth
-Ike
-Jigs
-Diddy Kong

-Maybe, if I feel like it, Snake or Luigi, but Luigi's alright so he'll stay. It's really Snake I should get rid of, but I don't know, maybe I should put up a poll.

yes its an ike rel any ike psa works over any other character that uses so just take of the DDD rele rename all naruto files to DDD and should work fine

Just as a reminder:

I've included a complex stage system, as there are about 80 playable stages and counting, all recolers as well as models and imports. In the SSS will be certain icons in the preview part, telling the stage's functions
-Weather: Stage will randomly change weather when selected
-Time of Day: Stage will randomly change to Day, Evening, Night, etc when selected
-Match time Change: Stage will go through Day and Night during the match, like Battlefield
-Real-time Change: Stage will change location based on real time
-Map: Stage will randomly choose a location in the are to play on,usually a location not seen in a different location
-Calender: Stage will appear different based on four seasons
-Special Stage[Red EXclamation]: When a certain button combination is held, it will switch to a completely different stage, relating to the original stage.
-Bonus Stage[Yellow Exclamation]: When a certain button combination is held, it will switch to a completely different stage, which may or may not have something to do with the original stage.
-Secret Stage[Purple Exclamation]: When a certain button combination is held, it will switch to a stage hidden within the stage.

For example, If I select Rainbow Road, and it has a Map and a Red exclamation, it may randomly switch locations on the track per match, one match being down where the loops are, another being up in the tunnel where the finish line is. Optionally, I can hold the button combination and go to maybe, Blue Moon Battleship.

Or, if I go to Bowser's Palace whch has a Map, I may randomly appear in either the throne room, reactor room, castle top, tower, dungeon room, or his Airship.

Maybe I'll want to go to Coconut Mall which has a map icon to indicate that is will switch between the parking lot and garden, and a Time of Day icon to indicate that the time of day will be random as well, meaning I could be in the garden at night or in the parking lot at sunset.

All these icons indicate a randomization or a prompt to input a small button combination, usually holding A and a D-pad button. The actual icons won't do anything, just indicate that the stage has special functions.

remember CCS/BPs for chars. (if you using other Textures/vertexs)
and SSS icons/etc. for Stages

Always


I never forget it.

It would really help if someone could port Mewtwo over Jigglypuff

What kind of offer are we talking here? I rarely hack anymore.

unpossible :(
mewtwo´s N-B ball can´t be ported only with .rels

Maybe the Shadow Ball can be replaced with a newer, better attack

Like Psycho Cut???

That's a good idea! But before that gets thought about, no one's ported Mewtwo over Jiggs.

Also, Naruto is a nominee to go over DDD, and Goku Vs. Sora over Pit, I don't know which one to use though.

Marth is going to be Pit :D
vertex+someone is making a PSA for it now
and marth can be ported with .rels (over Rob :D)

Why switch Marth to R.O.B. and then put someone over Marth when you can just port the newcomer directly over R.O.B. and not have to worry about Marth?

there should be a rosalina animation hack that has a luma flying next to her like they did with this hack
like the idea?

i'd take awhile to make but i could do some textures for it
like different colored luma's litterally all the luma colors

hows that?

I'm starting to doubt now if Rosalina even has a chance at getting in now, unless I port her over to Wolf, so this is going to need some thinking through. :kdance: :kdance: :kdance:

no megaman?
 :'( :'( :'(

ideas !!!

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24193.0

he can be over Olimar(that vertex beyondyou made) if you use Cloud over a other like Wolf(there is a ike over wolf .rel some where in this Forum)

Did you figure the narrator? It would be nice if every aspect of the game was new.

Currently I am working on making a robotic male sounding GLaDOS narrator. Maybe we could merge projects.

How come no one has made a Sora PSA yet? I mean there was a person working on one for Pit, but now there's a vertex on Marth and there should be a PSA for that. I think thats an idea.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26511.0

one working on sora

Thanks for that

If he could be ported over Wolf, he's automatically in.


Nice! I have no idea how to sound hack(a weakness) If you can, just change these for now, because these are confirmed and locked in.

Peach -->> Daisy
Olimar -->> Cloud
GW -->> Wisp Elemental
Ness -->> Marissa Arkana
Lucas -->> Vivi
Toon Link -->> Midna

I have yet to decide on the rest, because over Pit, it's either Goku or Sora, and over DDD, maybe Naruto.

If Rosalina can be ported over Wolf, or Diddy, i'll take that as well.

So...i dont Loooooveeeee king dedede...naruto sounds better

Peach -->> Daisy
Olimar -->> Cloud
GW -->> Wisp Elemental
Ness -->> Marissa Arkana
Lucas -->> Vivi
Toon Link -->> Midna

I have yet to decide on the rest, because over Pit, it's either Goku or Sora, and over DDD, maybe Naruto.

If Rosalina can be ported over Wolf, or Diddy, i'll take that as well.

Open Slots as of 6-18:

-DDD
-Marth
-Ike
-Diddy
-As of now, R.O.B.( I'll make a water PSA for a different character)
-Diddy
-Jiggs
-Wolf

Up for replacement as of 6-18, still flexible:

-Shadow[over Jigs
-Tails[over Jigs
-Sora[over Pit
-Goku[over Pit
-Naruto[over DDD
-Zack Fair[over Marth
-Victoria Bessette[over Marth
-Megaman
-Spiderman[don't ask alright
-Rosalina[over Marth/DDD/Wolf

And I'd like to have this sorted out rather quickly!

MARTH!?

and i'd want her over diddy among others
i honestly hate diddy's moves (mainly the one where he does the non-stop with his tail :P)

and i don't like him period that's why i wish someone would make a good character over him

There's a PeteyKartWii and a YoshiKartWii! XD!! Anyways Diddy's gotta go!

Tomorrow I'll be testing out a bunch of imports I'ver collected together over yesterday and today, then get back my results on Monday. But I need something over WOLF!! I personally don't wanna get rid of Wolf but he randomly freezes so i'll have to!

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=1&Reported=All&Wifi=0&Name=*&ByUser=*&Credit=*&Info=*&Thumb1=*&Type=Character-Import*Model*-Wolf&TypeAlt=Character&characterType=Import*&characterType=Model*&characterListing=Wolf 



Here is a Llyod over wolf

You know that that's not finished, and glitchy right?

Nice try though, I appreciate the effort.  :af:

Well it's the only wolf hack in this entire forum. No one really bothers with Wolf.

There's always .rel porting, which I think would be best if Rosalina is over Wolf, if possible

well if your using rel files have you tried any on Diddy K.

I don't know where to find any for Diddy. Actually, don't know where to find much of anyone else's for that matter. I may also need IC-Constant codes and Sound Bank codes like I had to do for Cloud and Wisp.

As far as roster goes, I'm not sure how to respond about the removal of Olimar and the Ice Climbers, who represent their own franchises, for the sake of more Zelda and Pokemon as well as fan characters. Two characters for a 3rd party series (Final Fantasy) is also a bit curious, but...whatever.

Otherwise as far as gameplay goes, I'll need to try out some of these PSAs of yours. The screenshots have me a bit worried of just extended sized hitboxes with elemental flags (ESPECIALLY in the case of a water elemental ROB, random much?), but I'll withhold my opinions until then. For now, I'll check a few out and get back to you.

I have to give you some props, though. This is a rather large project, and it seems like you're handling it well. Best of luck.

I assure you and everyone, that all th characters in this are balanced, just with enhanced attack capabilities, but that's just to make the game more tense and make players feel more alert and ready.

I just checked your OP, and it sounds like a pretty interesting project you got coming together,
I'll definitely have to check out those PSA's of yours.
As I'm not a hacker myself, all I can do give feedback, hopefully that would be helpful if any.

Best of luck to your project :D

the one thing im expecting the most is the pichu brothers psa because i want to see the first complete psa over the ice climber these two i hate them  i even dislike their games  so good luck with the pichu brothers and will their moveset be based on the pikachu?since melle pichu was just a clone.

Ice climbers had 1 game(if I'm right) also pichu was more beast than pika

Vs. Ice Climber    1984    Arcade    Nintendo Vs. Series    [8]
Ice Climber    1985    NES/Famicom       
Ice Climber    1985    NEC PC-8801    Published by Hudson Soft    
Ice Climber    1988    Famicom Disk System    Port of Vs. Ice Climber    
Ice Climber-e    2002    e-Reader    Barcoded cards, readable with e-Reader and Game Boy Advance.    
Ice Climber    2004    Game Boy Advance    Classic NES Series    
Ice Climber    2007    Wii    Virtual Console    

actually they had the same game released several times :S only with minor changes they just recicled the hell out of the franchise

pf!!! more NASCA!

I'm Kinda Jealous.

You don't even have anything out yet, and you already have 10 pages down. Hype is more powerful then i give it credit for that for sure.

SO FAR:

Stage Pack is now 98% complete. There are now over 100 stage re-textures and re-models/imports. I want to get just a few more for Special/Bonus/Secret Stage slots for Battlefield and Daisy Stadium. Bowser's Palace uses a lot of Castlevania rooms, and Lylat Cruise I've decided to keep unchanged from the original. For Daisy Stadium, I'm thinking a Special stage something like either fighting on a plane high off the ground in an arena on the top of the plane, like in Yu-Gi-Oh during Battle City, or make it a little more authentic and have a large ocean/city bay where people fight in an arena on the deck of a cruiser. Then a Daisy Stadium Bonus stage of somewhere off in the wastelands with a lot of mountains(maybe like from SSE), with the City and Stadium seen in the distance. Battlefield, I think Mewtwo2000 might be working on a Melee Battlefield that I can use as a Secret Stage, but i'm unsure - he is pretty busy right now. Also, there may be a surprise melee comeback of yet another stage from SSBM. PLUS, I also wanted to make a special stage entitled," The Lab of Wisp's Origin" where Wisp was created as a super being of artificial intelligence and selective intangibility by a mad scientist.

Here's a Picture of my Character Roster as of 5-2-11:

(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/356/hni0008.jpg)

As you can see:
Peach -->> Daisy
Olimar -->> Cloud
Ness -->> Marissa Arkana
Lucas -->> Vivi
Toon Link -->> Midna
Game n' Watch -->> Wisp Elemental

Also, another late final decision as of yesterday not seen in the pic:

Ice Climbers -->> Pichu Bros.

Pichu Bros. is now officially part of my roster, but I still have some more testing to do before I release the PSA to Brawl Vault.

Now here are the position battles for the open character slots as of 6-20-11:

-Marth: Zack Fair, Rosalina, Alucard
-Diddy:
-Ike:
-Jigs: Mewtwo[Hopefully]
-Wolf:
-Pit: Goku, Sora
-R.O.B.: Rosalina, Alucard(decided by Marth Decision)
-DDD: Naruto Uzumaki
-Undecided Possibilities: Shadow[Hopefully over Wolf], Miles Prower[Hopefully over Diddy], Master Chief, Lara Croft, Frieza(Last-Form)/Cell

What happens to Marth and Pit will decide the outcome for those without anyone subbing-in yet. The criteria for who gets in is quite simple: First come first served lol.

Some optional characters to get rid of
-Snake
-Wario

People who are locked-in for the Final Roster:
-Mario
-DK
-Zelda
-Daisy
-Link
-Ganondorf
-Yoshi
-Samus
-Pikachu
-Lucario
-Kirby
-Metaknight
-Fox
-Bowser
-Marissa
-Vivi
-Captain Falcon
-Falco
-Sonic
-Midna
-Wisp
-Cloud

Participants that have been cut: Naruto, Victoria Bessette, Claire, Weegee, Vegeta,

COME ON PEOPLE, WE NEED SOME ANTAGONISTS HERE. We've been suffering from the lack of evil in Smasj Bros for way too long, and porting Mewtwo over Jigs is the first step! Maybe someone could port the Majora's Rebirth model of Zelda over one of the above like Wolf?

Since in SSBBL, Zelda uses her Sheik battle skills in both her Hylian and Sheikah form, I'm opting that If I can keep Zelda from transforming into Sheik, and Vice-versa, then maybe I can cut sheik out, especially since she hasn't appeared in much besides OoT. Even if I do end up keeping Sheik, I still want to know how to keep them from transforming into each other, because with their Triforce movesets, only one of their Triforce's can be activated at a time, and it's decided by who the match is started with, so if I was to start as Sheik, then Sheik would have activated her Triforce, and Zelda would be in normal state.

I also need a legitimate moveset for Zero Suit Samus, preferably one of Ice or water, or just a bunch of fancy moves. I also need a legitimate moveset for Ivysaur, because I think there's some sort of very small file limit with these two that i've been unable to do anything about. It seems changing one thing, regardless of what it is or what PSA version i'm using, will cause immediate crashing after selection. So I leave these two to someone with better compression.

Pichu Bros still need some more tests, so they're a Final Decision, but I can't say they're locked in yet. I'm doubting Zack Fair because his model has a lot of holes and gaps in it, and since I can't vertex, that just makes the situation better now doesn't it?

I'm thinking to get another person from Sony and someone from Microsoft, you know, as guests. I think SSBBL should have a little diversity. I"M NOT BRINGING IN SACKBOY. I'll bring in someone who's been a core for the two of those companies, like Lara or Master Chief. I also really want Talim from Soul Calibur could get into Brawl, and maybe Hellfire. If possible, Megaman too, even though I know nothing about him, but I know how many people were greatly infuriated with him not being in SSBB, so I may as well put him in SSBBL. Anyone thinking Duke Nukem? what about that soldier from DOOM?

As for the Legacy challenge, there's two ways I can do this:
1- THE SAFE, EASY, AND SATISFYING WAY
   I can have a row of custom stages with pictures of who you're supposed to fight starting from the bottom and working your way up to the top, with included instructions.

2- THE HARD, LONG, DANGEROUS, AND HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL YET MORE SATISFYING AND PRESENTATIONAL WAY.
   Hack into the Event mode and change what stages, characters, songs, amount of levels, and order of how the characters fight. I also can't just have character's appear out of nowhere like you would if you added more CPU's in training, or else it would freeze. All-Star and Classic don't support a lot of textures anyway.

3- CUT IT OUT, JUST BRAWL!
   Forget the challenge and just focus on roster and stages

I gotta say that #1 was kinda ghetto, but I liked it better than SSE!

.thp files will be left alone, except for the Opening Movie, where I hope someone who can do Machinima will provide a new intro.

Sound FX should not be worried about until the Roster is in it's Final state.

This all has to be done before August 29, 2011.

PS: when I had Full Power Ganondorf, I got over 110,000 ft. in homerun contest!

Epic roster is epic

I've got some movesets from it up for download in my vault, but all of them will come in the main pack.

But as was said earlier, don't worry about SFX until the Roster is completely final and locked in.

I also still have to worry about stages too!!

 i have to admit this is a fantastic project as for sora i meant to say in the attack and animation requests section

I did see Sora there, but it was in a stage preview. I think Tormod was supposed to upload a Sora PSA over Pit, so if I talk with him then we can negotiate some things.

it would be epic if mewtwo is ported over another character the only mewtwo port there is its over DK but he can do N B duh no article and UP B needs fixing  but if mewtwo went over another character it would be awnsome theres like 4 shadow ports but none mewtwo ports :S

Mewtwo over Jigs is what i'm looking at.

I must be crazy for even considering putting Naruto into this.

Rosalina has to go over Marth, if not Diddy or R.O.B., but I don't know if I wanna get rid of R.O.B. right now.

Sora seems like he'll be over Pit, since no one has notified me of a complete Goku over Pit.

Correction there's only 2 over DK and jiggs but there will be a 3rd soon

theres also shadow over marth and i even think there is one over Fox if im not mistaken

is there any sora psa over pit? i didnt saw any when i seashed the vault

The fox one is a completely new shadow(I mean it's not a SDoom port) but yea I forgot about the Marth port(but that has freezing glitches)

Okay, no way Fox is going out, but what kind of Freezing does that Shadow over Marth have? I tested out the standard one over Sonic an liked the way he played, so i'm hoping Shadow can get in. But also Rosalina and Mewtwo just as much.

If you use chaos control it freezes also sometimes while dodging and grabbing ledges I'm working on my shadow on ROB port

if you  ask mariodk i think he may be able to fix it since it was him who did the port xD
also its only a matter of making him do a normal taunt instead of having CC

Well I guess if you Shadow over R.O.B. winds up glitch free then i'll be more than happy to get rid of R.O.B., but if not, then R.O.B. stays in unless Rosalina can go over it.

Me and him BOTH tried to fix it...unsuccessful

Wow, I didn't even notice I did the picture wrong - I need to go fix it.

Anyways, maybe Grey Fox might come into this, after seeing what Eternal's got so far.

EVERYONE I have a Important announcement

Superzelda has been banned from posting for 2 weeks due to posting in dead threads so please keep this discussion going till then it would help both me and superzelda

He's Moderated, not Muted.  Muted means you're banned from posting.  Moderated means your posts have to be approved.

Yes I know that but he told me he can't post anymore

Aww that sucks :<

Well he was bumping threads from 2009 so I'm not very surprised

If you're making your own PSA fo it, you should make it to go with Micaiah's Sora over Marth, it's easily the best looking Sora vertex and Marth is way more boring than Pit.

well that must suck i dont get many things that happen in this forum like people do flamewars and dont get even a warning someone bumps an old thread by accident and get warned or  mutted i think so rules are a bit unfair but they are the ones who decide

on topic i guess sora is getting pushed around xD like i said in previus post the ones im hopping the most is pichu brothers so we can at last get a finished psa over the ice climbers but i will sometime download the aqua rob moveset and some other movesets you guys did because they look cool by graphical effects i just need to get to my wii i have alot of movesets to update xD

Okay, If this post shows up, then I can post, but it's going to take a while because admin's lazy. So I'll be able to post, but I said I wouldn't because I wouldn't be able to do it effectively, since it's going to take a long time for me to respond.

Now, I have some screenshots here of me playing since that's about all I could do at the moment yesterday:

Daisy, Bowser, Snake, Captain Falcon at Wastelands
(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6638/daisyfalconsnakebowserir.jpg)

Kirby, Cloud, Fox, Luigi at Mute City 2025
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2892/kirbycloudluigifoxinmut.jpg)

Lucario, Pit, Vivi, Samus at Desert Hills
(http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/8132/lucariopitvivisamusinde.jpg)

Donkey Kong, Marissa, Link, Sonic at Divine Tower
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2669/marissasonicdonkeyandli.jpg)

Pokemon Trainer, Pikachu, Ike, and Wisp at Emerald Mountain
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7618/pokemontrainerpikachuik.jpg)

I forget, but I know it was at SNES Battle Course 4, and Meta Knight was spinning around
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3817/snesbattlecourse4.jpg)

Ganondorf, Mario, Zelda, Yoshi at Final Destination
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2954/zeldaganondorfmarioyosh.jpg)

Looks good

Okay, whenever this post shows up *I HATE MODERATION* Sora's going over Pit, as soon as he's out, and I may be uploading Pichu Bros to the vault soon.

awnsome news xD and you can post because the post appear they just need to be acepted by someone... also that snes battle course 4 looks amazing xD  i love mario karts couses turned into stages xD

Yeah I need to fix the Shy Guy driving animation because when I moved the stage I had to fix the Shy Guy animation and I only managed to f*ck it up - Shy Guy just spins around across the stage so it looks like he's drunk, and I haven't changed it back yet because all my friends won't stop laughing at it.

Okay, now about the Pichu Bros, I discovered something fairly interesting:

Apparently, Pichu Bros have an advantage by being too short:

(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1597/tooshort.jpg)

It also seems that there's a... rather obvious glitch when someone tries to through one of them:

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2408/bigassa.jpg)

Of course, it's only that big when it's being thrown, then goes back to normal size. No idea why that happens, but I think I may know, and if i'm right on how to fix it, it will seriously mess up everybody else.

This one here's just filler:

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1911/heeats.jpg)

LUNCHTIME BEATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, I'm the guy who made this hack bro. The same thing happens with Viewtiful Joe. Am I right SDo0m?

Yep.  One Slot Size mod glitch. 

i dont think that is fixable every resized hack  gets bigger when they are grabed  because every character has their own grab animations you had to substitute grab animations of the entire Rooster  also that happens to anyone  if thats the only glitch you are doing good xD

ps the pichus always had the advantage of being small xD  thats what i like about them  of cource if you are facing a small character you lose all the advantage like kirby and jigly will hit you on the face xD

nice finally some pics awsome pics !

Yeah, that's what I thought i'd have to do, but I guess I can't do that. That's The ONLY glitch with the Pichu Bros, thank god for that! I also found that Pichu's share textures, so putting in minun AND pulse won't work, it would have to be one pair of minuns, and one pair of pulses.

this is possible :D
give me textures for them and i can do it

Nah, don't worry about it. It's funny.

SSBBL's kinda like overly serious right now, so fitting in some WTF moments won't hurt.

the textures arent in the files? it would be fun having a plusle and minum at the same time but right know its preety fun too xD also i just tested the pichu brothers psa for awhile and i have to say something here are my thoughts

Glitches
when the run midle velocity they sink into the ground while running at max speed or slow they dont so i think this will be easy to fix
they grab items with their heads altough you dont notice this ingame due to they being so small xD
they have a wierd way of grabinb heavy items maybe due to the problem abode
also during the down B the second pichu the one we dont control still uses ice climbers attack  maybe forgot to change nana's action during the down B but i think it looks cool maybe some kind of hiden power ice xD
N air i think it needs animation

Sugestions
i noticed you gave them four jumps instead of adding an up B but i think the up B is kinda uselless since it doesnt do knockback the enemy just pierces with a down air in the face :S and when they get hit after doing 2 jumps is hard to get back to the stage due to side B moving  only a bit but with four jumps they can be good air combo characters xD
Why not doing FS volt tackle  Anime style you bright yellow run to the direction you are faced if you hit someone  big damage and knockback but pichu brothers take like 20% it would be epic xD

Final thoughs
i think the moveset is balanced(wich is important to me)  and pretty fun to play xD they will be my main characters from now on xD

it easy just get one of the model to not use the same Texture as the other
thats why Pichus got the same texture since the two models is set to use the same textures
but if i get the textures so i can easy do it just by Renaming afew things in brawlbox

i think making  plusle and Minum been able to be at the same time would also open a Texture slot to add one more i also love that icy pichu brothers they really look awnsome xD

There's a updated pichu bros recently uploaded if you didnt know

i know xD  the user of this thread is the one who made the psa xD
also i made myself a plusle and minum  like mariodk said it just needs  to be renamed a few things in brawlbox xD

here they are if anyone wants them

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=L7I0Z40V

Hey, SuperZelda. I have a question to ask you. First of all however id like to say something. I DL'd a couple PSA's from your vault. I gotta say, they are extremely fun to play around with.

Anyways, my question is once it is done, and once the clone engine can port lucario, would you mind adding my Darkrai to the mod pack? I have someone doing the PSA soon. Thanx for your time.

The Up-B is just to do damage to people who like to jump around a lot like a bunch of damn rabbits.

The FS you're thinking about is like Link and Toon Link - you copy the smash except make it look crappy. The FS he's got now it sorta like a Tabuu thing - one hit, you're gone. BUT, it can be shielded! PLUS, it gives the Bros. a lot of damage in the process!

I'm going to fix the walking in the ground XD.

LCCoolJ95 suggested Freeze Shock from Pokemon Black and White, so I thought to keep the freezing thing in.  :kdance:

N air is really just a quick shift in the air, so animation would make it just look flashier. Maybe I'll see to that and change it.

Everybody in here will be on-level. The only exception may be Ganon, because he's kinda fast and strong, but at the same time he's got a lot of lag. I beat Ganon Lv 9 using Daisy, so I'm pretty sure that it won't be a problem for anyone else!



THE HELL'S A CLONE ENGINE?!?



I noticed that the Pichu Bros shared Textures, so I wasn't sure if I wanted to change it or leave it alone. I prefer the rabbits one anyways - They remind me of raving rabbits for some reason lol, but there you go - DL to a Pulse-Minun combo for those of you who wanted them at the same time! Thank arnage for that!

So anybody thinking about Poke Floats 2? i got it the first hour it came out, and didn't play it until today, and it's just incredible!

IMPORTANT:

I need a sound.brsar with new sound fx for Daisy and Pichu bros, and then announcer calls for both of them and Cloud, Midna, Marissa, Vivi, and Wisp.

VERY IMPORTANT!

so will there be any update on pichu bros psa ? also why no updates on this? i saw you releases daisy final version nice work superzelda

Yeah, If you're wondering why Daisy's got a bunch of crystal attacks, play Mario Strikers Charged!. I actually forgot to add a wind effect to Daisy's Balet to push people away, but I'll put it in the update with the sounds.

I the only thing I don't like about the Pichu Bros right now is that throwing glitch, so I'll hold off on them, but since these characters are cemented in now, I'll need sounds and announcer calls

Also, DDD works now!! So he's gonna stay in! Now I just need to make a PSA for him, and perhaps maybe the first legitimate PSA for him too in the vault!.

But what PSA version does DDD need? I heard you had to edit the Pokemon with v.1.3, but I edited Charizard with 2.0 and he worked out fine, so idk about DDD.

Search SSBB clone engine on google. Basically lets us "copy" brawl's characters

How you you resize pichu? in brawlbox or PSA?

If one is causing the size reset, try the other.

I say you should replace king DDD with King K. Rool, but thats just my opinion

King K. Rool, maybe If I can get DDD to be ported over Wolf or Diddy, then K. Rool could quite possibly be in - I'd just have to make a PSA for him, but I think they'd be pretty similar.


Basically, MOST everything, not all, gets scaled down using BrawlBox, but somethings like the Thrown[B,Hi,F,Lw] should be left alone.

Then again I just thought of a pretty nasty trick to do with my witch, heheheheh...

Update coming soon!

Well done Super Zelda! Im sure ur working very hard to complete this Pack!

This is getting very tiring - and I'm getting really tired, but LOL AT THIS!!!!!!!!!

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6058/lolsv.jpg)


ANYWAYS... UPDATE:  :af2:

Here's a Menu pic
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4537/hni0003f.jpg)

Here's a CSS pic
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2735/hni0001r.jpg)

Here's the SSS Preview
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1176/hni0002m.jpg)

And so, a cleaner look at the roster looks like this:
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4048/hni0004u.jpg)

And Here's who I'm going to replace(marked/Highlighted in Red)
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3736/hni0004toreplace.jpg)

You may be wondering why people like Pichu Bros and Midna are coming out: I like playing as them, but I wanna try to expand the game history and include people from other games. With Pichu Bros in, there's 7 playable pokemon, which is completely absurd, and Midna was only in Twilight Princess. I'm looking for people that were constants for series, not just one game and then gone.

So any suggestions would be cool, and I can include any of your PSAs too, but it has to meet this criteria

1. Has to go over a SHADED character
2. MUST BE BALANCED (unless it's a villian, in which case I'll take one that's SLIGHTLY stronger than usual)
3. MUST HAVE DIAGONAL ATTACKS, BOTH STRONG AND SMASH

If 3 isn't met, then there's absolutely no way that that character is getting into SSBBL.

Also, I'll admit ONLY 1 anime character at the most, but it must also meet the above criteria.

if you are cutting pichu bros will the next version still come out? becuase i want the csp names bp and etc too xD also why dont you fix the mewtwo over jigly port  just needs a fake projectyle on NB a fixed UP B and maybe you can make a good looking FS since the one there is is kinda meh  and if you want to replace ike i recommend naruto is a well made psa and balanced

I was hoping to replace Pit with Goku - I'm only putting in ONE anime character, but if the Goku doesn't qualify, then well Naruto is an option.

There's TOO MANY POKEMON!!

I might try to fix up Mewtwo, but that'll be a separate hack

The Pichu Bros are pretty much done - whenever LCCoolJ95 decides to do the pics and stuff then he'll update V3. Then again I don't know why I didn't add my pics to the download in the first place - As soon as I have a complete character hack over someone I always update my CSP's and stuff

Just curious, but is the final roster set?

(I've been watching this from time to time. It looks interesting and promising.)

Mostly, but no. And the sad thing is that that's the only thing that's holding this project back.

goku over pit is still gonna take a while since mariodk made 0.9 version and he says  that the port will only happen when the psa and animations are final version also if you want to replace jiglypuff she doesnt have that many hack  only some ports like shadow and tails :S i will be waiting for that mewtwo fix xD whatever time it takes since its been ages to me wanting to keep both lucario and mewtwo and i dont care about jigly at all xD and if you can talk to however can update pichu bros and include name  csp css and bp and battle name if you have them xD

I think I'll send my pics to CoolJ tomorrow and let him add it to the pack because he was the one that originally uploaded the pack and I have no idea if he put something extra in.

But really, it just seems not smart to have so many pokemon in this - as if they didn't have enough hype already, but I gotta emphasize it? Man...

I have an idea for a brand new character, but I think that it will be the only new custom character in this.

Who still has open spots?

Everyone above shaded in red is up for replacement

you just hating Peach as Hell?
Peach is not that bad
olimar is worse using pikmins all time to do his work

Skull Kid has been in 3 Zelda games

well for wolf there are two choices first
Lloyd Irving  since he is the only non wolf psa there is :S i know wolf only has 3 pages on brawl box
second use a rel and replace him  but that may cause freezing to people from diferent regions

I never said that... recently... within the past 20 seconds...


You can't have Skull Kid without Young Link


Well Lloyd is unfinished - I should've put that as another criterion. Oh Well. Regions, I'll worry about regions later. It would be pretty cool to get Rosalina over Wolf though, .rel or not. Even just the Model and FitMotionEtc., because I can just remake the moveset to be almost the same as before.

isnt there a rosalina under jigly?you can use a rel since jigly has no articles and put her on wolf  but she  i think doesnt have any psa :S

*facepalm* Then why not just Young Link and they didn't have Y.Link in TwiPrincess but skull kid was in there.

That has a bunch of glitches with Young Link and the Rosalina over Jigs that would be time-consumin to fix - I'm going for something cleaner.

Hey, I have been very successful with redoing the narration in Brawl. If you are still interested, I could do all the voices in the robotic voice like I said before.

Hmm... That's gonna make everything sound all... Portal-ish - I just wanna know if it will work for Gecko, becuase if it does, then I can accept it :kdance:

Sadly no, sfx only work with Riivolution. But it would still work fine with the rest of SSBL. The directories are the same.

Well, some of the stuff in this pack isn't compatible with Riivolution, so I'm not sure how that's going to work out, but I'll take the file and see what I can do here.

PM me the entire list of characters and I'll get to work. I had good practice.

I'll be gone for a couple days working, so keep the discussion going and I'll see what progress has been made here when I get back

u should put in dr eggman since he is sonic's main nemesis

*walks in room*

Sorry I'm a little late

*takes out random bottle of Brisk Strawberry Melon and drinks it*

To tell you the truth SuperZelda, this is very promising.  :af: The CSS, SSS, and putting, at least, 150 stages in this game. I've never heard of a pack like that.  :af2: But, I have one thing that I find a little difficult to understand. Now, getting rid of the  :pichu: Bros., why? You said that this is a serious game and it needs a little humor. Now why would you waste time getting rid of them and putting in another character?  *facepalm* It's too time-consuming. But, if you must, may I make a suggestion? Out of pure boredom, and just getting over a bad break-up with my girlfriend  :'(, I decided to make something funny to boost my spirits. I made the Baby  :mario: Bros. over  :popo:! It may sound strange and seems funny, but that's the point if you make a serious game. Always have a little comedy here and there. Like this:

 :sparta: :nyeh: :yay: :patrick: :moar: :roll: :nazo: :catgirl:
PURE RANDOMNESS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL XD

Well, I'm heading out to find the great pumpkin. Hope you fix  :mewtwo: over  :jiggly:. Everyone will love you and you will have a name in KC-MM. Thank you and goodbye.

-LC

it would be fun having baby mario and baby luigi over ice climbers with a finished moveset becuase the mario brothers psa that exists is very unfinished also "Hope you fix  :mewtwo: over  :jiggly:. Everyone will love you and you will have a name in KC-MM. Thank you and goodbye." this is so true i dont get why everyone hasnt fixed a ported mewtwo yet.

> Peach is gone, so things can get serious
> Daisy
 :srs:

^ I, gotta, texture, that, on, her, NOU!

*drinks Strawberry Melon Brisk* It's probably because people think there's a team working on them. Well, they're wrong. I just ported them. It's basically a free for all for the hacks, anyone could edit them in any shape or form, especially Mewtwo over Jiggz. I put MarioDK's Shadow over DK, so no replacing Mewtwo with DK.

I'm getting rid of Pichu Bros cause there's too many pokemon here. I like them, but unless I can get some sort of character expansion like the stage expansion, they gotta come out - I'm trying to expand the game histories a little, instead of just putting more Mushroom Kingdom, Legend of Zelda, and Pokemon characters in. Midna and Pichu Bros were just to fill the spots of sucky characters

Oh, and stages just went up to 170+.

PLUS, I'm working on two secret sub-projects  ;D

*Leaves then comes back* You know, now that I think of it, I'll keep Pichu Bros in, but that means that jigglypuff would need to be replaced with a non-pokemon character.

IMPORTANT: also, I want to make sure that I get a few more antagonists in this game


YOU MUST BE CRAZY!!! BABIES?!? DO YOU WANT THEM TO GET KILLED OUT THERE?!? I'LL GET SUED!!!

No but really, this is no place for babies that have no use in SSBBL in the first place. I can't even think about what their attacks would be - their too young to even begin to use any fire or lightning, and I'm not pulling a Mario Kart Wii with them!

But nice job on getting another import done!  :af2:

still didnt update pichu bros with csp and css and names etc  also why dont pokemon series gets an antogonist well mewtwo was kind of a pokemon villian i know you wanna replace jigly with a none pokemon but mewtwo already has stages in brawlvault and everything just needed to be the pokemon badass and 170+stages omg i dont know how we can make a choice xD

Why the heck is Ridley still not included in this roster. >:|

And don't give me the "he's too big" argument, because you and I both know that someone has managed to squeeze him into Brawl already. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=12295)

And who is he going over? Exactly.

If you want Ridley to come out of a Pokeball, and listen to some "Trainer", well, I don't know what to say...



Everything's in a different stance because it looks cooler xD

MenSelchrFaceB151.png
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3447/menselchrfaceb151.png)

MenSelchrFaceB152.png
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MenSelchrFaceB153.png
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8277/menselchrfaceb153.png)

MenSelchrFaceB154.png
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MenSelchrFaceB155.png
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4112/menselchrfaceb155.png)

MenSelchrFaceB156.png
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9346/menselchrfaceb156.png)

MenSelchrChrNm151 (SSBBL Font)
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3260/menselchrchrnm151.png)

MenSelchrChrFace016
( I don't do that "Shared faded-blue Background" because everybody gets their own background - it adds diversity and isn't boring)
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MenSelchrChrNmS016.png
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2516/menselchrchrnms016.png)

InfStc151-156 (For CSS, SSS and Results Screen, if you were wondering)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/34/infstc151156.png)

All the ones Below are for Menu and In-game pics:


MenReplayChr151
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5555/menreplaychr151.png)

MenWifiListIcn037 (This one was a Beatch to make)
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InfFace151
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InfFace152
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InfFace153
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InfFace154
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InfFace155
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InfFace156
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Anyways I must get back to my secret projects - One of them xxmasal22xx is also going to be working on.

And when you think about it, Mewtwo is sorta an abandoned project - Not really anything's been going on with him recently, same thing with a lot of other one-time melee participants.

thanks for the pictures xD and mewtwo is abondoned becuase he is already made exactly like melle he is a full character so why would they change him when hes already done?same as roy young link doctor mario  since they are already done they wont be updated anytime soon unless someone makes a none melle psa for them  they werent abondoned they were finished. also if xxmasal22xx is working with you i might know one of the secret projects xD

Damnit!! What is it then?

And besides, there's two other projects I've got that I will not show anything of until they're ready.

now that i think about it i may not know becuase he was asking everyone to get hepl finishing his darkrai over lucario but you said you dont want any more pokemons so i guess it isnt darkrai and may be some of his others hacks well i will wait and see im putting pichu brothers pictures right now xD

Well... one of my sub-projects is done -

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20535&Moderated=All&facebook=true

that just leaves two more...

*drinks Strawberry Melon* what are the glitches? And how did you do it exactly?

Rosalina over Jiggs? Nice  :)

I'll check it out right now..

Well you just can't use the green slot jigglypuff, I don't know, same thing with my modified Wisp. And also she grabs items... with her legs. But other than that, it's PERFECT!!!

How I did it, I just replaced Jigs' model because it had less bones than Rosalina, then I hoped that everything wouldn't freeze while I went and did the whole moveset, renaming all the bones and making attacks, then tested the whole thing out all at once, and it all worked perfectly without freezeing, to my surprise - except for the already stated green slot, then I tweaked a couple damage and knockkback values, and VOILA!!!

Rosalina!!

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7896/al11071414441binout.jpg)

MarioDK should know that one XD. Here's Rosalina, using jumps like Jigs.

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8175/al1107141441binout.jpg)

Her Down-Special on the ground: Terrestrial Comet

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2388/al1107141443binout.jpg)

Rosalina about to fall from Daisy

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4441/al1107141444binout.jpg)

Daisy getting KO'd in Sudden Death by Pichu Bros because they're TOO SMALL TO HIT

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4558/al1107141445binout.jpg)

Well, two other sub-projects left - one character, one stage

List of candidates for SSBBL:

-King K.Rool
-Zack Fair(Would need a better model where his biceps don't split)
-Goku(Pending)
-Darkrai
-Naruto(Pending, position battle with Goku)
-Midna(Non-Imp)

Candidates cut:
-Claire
-Lloyd(unfinshed)
-Vegeta(Superceded by Goku)
-Saskue(Superceded by Naruto)
-Weegee(Never had a chance to begin with)
-Ridley(TOO Big, and a fitted version is over Charizard instead of Wolf. If someone can glitchlessly port Ridley, I'll make a PSA for him and He's automatically in)
-Skull Kid
-Midna(Imp - still in, but up for replacement)
-Peach(Even if I wanted too, I couldn't keep her because she's just as glitchy as Wolf, which makes me hate her more)

To replace:
-Wolf(Top priority because he's glitchy)
-Diddy Kong(F*cking annoying and unpopular)
-Pit
-Ike
-Ramona(Temporary replacement of Marth, just cus I was bored and wanted to make a PSA ;D)
-Falco(Why not? May as well, Star Fox hasn't been producing much lately)
-R.O.B.(If I do, I'm going to need to find someone to make a Water-based PSA for)

for water based psas you already have squirtle right? also for diddy unless you port something over him you got like one psa wich is clare and i dont know who she is  then he has two none diddy kong vertexes wich are dixie and electabuzz so you have to choose either port something over him or let him be :S same with wolf and  pit is so so in vertexes but not that many psas  i guess you have to make  something from scratch like rosalina over diddy or wolf

on a side not

now that you worked with jigly while doing rosalina wouldnt it be a fast thing fixing the 3 mewtwos glitches but i guess you already have much work has it is

I didn't like Claire, or Sora for that matter, and Dante and Lloyd are unfinished, and if I do port a model, I'd have to start a PSA from scratch using the base character's .pac. What was Electabuzz's base? Because It look's like it may have been vertexed from Lucario and then ported. If that's the case, I can port Mewtwo's model to replace Electabuzz and then redo the whole Mewtwo PSA over, using the already created MotionEtc.

And since I have a very large Charizard file, for Pokemon Trainer, I can only use a patched PSA with the character I start out with, while the other two are at their default, but Squritle freezes when I try to start out a match as him for some reason, while If I switch to him during mid match, he's fine.

I wanna know if someone was able to successfully port a Zelda model over Toon Link, because maybe I could do the same. And I guess R.O.B. will have to come out, do to his unpopularity.

i think eggman should be in this

Did Anybody get a Eggman model or vertex? Because He might need a PSA too.

i think electabuzz is vertexed from didyy itself but then again if you ask LCCoolJ95 i bet he would port mewtwo over diddy in no time since like me he has been porting mewtwo first over dk then over jigly to see if anyone fixes the porting 3 gliches wich are always upb FS and N B due to no article

You know what, if he can port Mewtwo over Diddy, then tonight my first priority willl be getting those glitched fixed because Diddy's being a real [censored] lately, and I need a temporary replacement over him.

that would be epic but hes not online right now so i cant say anything also i saw in the vault and the only eggman models i found out where over samus and didnt seem that good :S did you decided what you would put over Ike yet?since he has so many psas.

I really don't know - The only good ones I've seen were Cloud and Naruto, and i already have Cloud over Olimar, and the original Naruto was WAY BETTER than Shippuden. Plus, Goku's supposedly coming in over Pit because MarioDK will port him once the Falcon Goku is finished.

naruto shippuuden psa has a smal naruto with one slot recizer so if you want  small naruto just use him xD  and the psa fits small naruto that much i mean rasengan clone fighting combos it just fits young naruto  too if you want just make some small naruto recolours and you have young naruto psa  its that easy

Well Naruto wouldn't be in anyways because Goku's already decided for, just pending on a where to put him.

A King K. Rool psa would be completely epic!  Also non-imp Midna ftw!!!  :af2:

I would need to see who I can port a Zelda model over, or get LC to do it, the I can do the same thing with her that I did for Rosalina - Same goes for King K.Rool.

LC sended me a pm saying he was trying to port mewtwo over diddy so we just have to wait and see if it can be done  i also used your rosalina and the hittem grab with her legs i think it could be fixed by eternal yoshi he fixed alot of pickup items and grab glitches from several hacks just ask him for help

Hi everybody  ;D

I have some good news. In a few minutes, I successfully made  :ike: work over  :diddy: using the generic rel.  :af: You know what that means?  :mewtwo: will work!  :af2: I will get a download ready  ;D

You will get this fixed SuperZelda, Jesus will love you and kiss you babies  :angel:

Laterz

-LC

what does ike has to do with mewtwo? since mewtwo is over lucario i dont get it but hope mewtwo over diddy kong works so superzelda fixes the glitches  we will be able to keep mewtwo and lucario xD

Mewtwo over Jigglypuff uses the generic ike rel. That's the only way the hack would work. If I just put Lucario's files over Jigglypuff, it doesn't work and there's the beep of death. Same applies to Mewtwo over Diddy. Here's the download: http://www.4shared.com/file/8PG4PpcW/Mewtwo_over_Diddy_Kong.html

now that mewtwo over diddy works xD we just need you superzelda to fix the 3 glitches altough i wont be able to use it since im a pal user and pal users only have metaknight jigly or marth rels working the generic ike rel is for ntsc only and since the mewtwo over dk didnt use rel i assumed it hasnt needed :S im just hoping if superzelda fixes those two glitches maybe i can copy the psa for the one over dk and make it work somehow

Mewtwo over DK does not use any rel files. In fact, if anyone fixed those glitches, THEN Mewtwo could be perfect. But, I like Donkey Kong, he's badass with his awesome punch haha. Besides, I gave up on that project anyway. I'm using Shadow Kong V3 by MarioDK, and it is god lol

well if superzelda doesnt use any articles i will patch a pal  ike rel and see if it works xD since i think any psa that doesnt use articles can be ported

I Will fix Mewtwo over Diddy tonight! and no, no articles or externals, so go on and patch the .rels for whatever PAL is lol.

thanks just remenber is like that mewtwo is over ike  and theres a naruto over ike with some rasengan ball wich could be used by mewtwo

I tried that with the Mewtwo over Jigs already - BEEP OF DOOM!

So maybe something different...

Try and do some sort of a force push, like in Star Wars: Force Unleashed

so how is mewtwo going is he behaving himselft? xD

speaking of star wars u should put some star wars characters in this

http://www.mediafire.com/?hd3mkakefaoshmu

OKAY THIS IS NOT PERFECT!!!

ou'll need the IC-code from here



But there's issues: I fixed the specials, but they're not perfect, and I WAS going to PERFECT them, BUT NOW HE HAS A THROWING GLITCH! :rage:

So I don't see this getting done anytime soon.  :(

And why Star Wars Characters?

Does the neutral B, Up B, and Final Smash work? I'll try it now. I'll upload a new brawl hack vid if it's good.

No don't bother - it's not perfect yet

And why Star Wars Characters?
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 y not?

Dkn if im doing something wrong i using mewtwo over ike since i dont have the rell and n b just creat a ball in front of him that does huge knockback and up B does nothing  maybe becuase im using him over ike instead of diddy?

also the trowing foward glitches becuase when he trows foward he summons an article  several times

Okay, so removing the articles from the forward throw, and maybe other throws, should be fine then?

I can't wait for this to be done!! Looking forward to it :)  Voted for honest mistake, but 146 is a lot of stages still. You could probably never have too many, but I don't think anyone would be upset if it didn't have more than that.

i think so  but mewtwo N-B and Up B doesnt work for me did they work for you?i mean NB he summos a ball that has big knock back and damage and up B he doesnt do nothing just stays there

The Final Smash freezes if you stand next to someone. And, also what Carnage said, the Up B does nothing. The Neutral B is decent though. Could you make something like Chaos Spear from Shadow?

Man, the FS works for me - I don't know what ya'll are doing wrong. The Up yeah, I disabled it - couldn't think of nothing and couldn't get nothin to work. N-B, like I said, you can hold A or Z/L/R to change the distance, but it's not perfect. Did you try FS in the Air, becuase that one's different from the ground FS. So I'd have to get rid of the articles on throwing, and such

...so, any progress on this? SSBBL in general

Your Shadow over R.O.B. does look promising, so He'll be in as soon as I fix the camera glitch, and also, I'll send you the Pichu Bros pics Tuesday, the next time I'm on. I'll make a sound bank code for Shadow to make him sound like Wolf, then use Wolf's Sound FX in Shadow's file.

Also, lookey here!

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2648/standinonwater.jpg)

I got her to stand on water!


Also, someone should be making Saria from Legend of Zelda, so if I can do her a PSA, then maybe I can port her over Toon Link/Midna

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=15515

There's going to be a reduxed version though, that i'll use for the PSA, but I'll need someone to import a Kokiri sword to her and a maybe Lucas's stick so it can be a Deku Stick if I retexture it, and maybe if there's an Ocarina lyin around somewhere I could use that as a taunt/Win animation, or like a Jigglypuff sleeping attack - I'm just puttin out ideas right now!

That won't work. Trust me, I tried to give my Zero (MegaMan X) over Link Marth's Sound Bank (I had Ichigo over Marth and they both have the same voice actors). When the character entered, the game froze. So, it's not the best idea.

why not use that code that switches the sound banks completely? i think its on the clone engine that way  it wasnt needed to mess around with the sound IDS

 *facepalm* that's what I used, it doesn't work

Quick question, who is on Samus? or what PSA is over him?

(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6811/facepalme.jpg)

Samus is a Girl, and I do have something over her - not much, because her filesize limit is ridiculous,

And yes the sound bank code works for me - I gave Shadow Wolf's voice, and sent LC the files.

I knew that... I wrote "him" by accident...

Anyways, It's because my group is working on an Other M: Samus. I was thinking that it could be put over Samus once we have some good progress on it. It may take some time, then again, so is this.

It'd be pretty hard to do because the filesize sucks with her, so try, but you'll probably meet the crushing beeep of doom!

You could look through drsusredfish's Athena PSA, or ask him yourself, how he removed Peach's floating ability. Link to PSA http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=14039

sry to say it but unpossible to fix shadow over Marth over Rob

i got 100% same problems with shadow over Marth
also if you want to fix GFX bugs like if shadow over rob vs. sonic port shadowkong instead and use shadowkong friendly Sonic PSAs

 :srs: Dude, I got that done a LONG time ago. Thanks for your idea though

And the Shadow over R.O.B. I'm really pushing for - I was so glad to see Shado over the robot, then got so crushed when there was the random freezing with music still playing glitch. I need someone to fix that quickly!

Anyways, UPDATE:

Through the CSS organizer(because it's clearer)

(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/738/updatejt.png)

As you can see, no progress has been made regarding roster adjustment. I was so close to getting Shadow in over R.O.B. but until the random freeing is fixed, well, he's not in.

(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/766/updatemarked.png)

Now this shows the status of characters.

-Green Shaded icons mean that the character is locked in

-Red Shaded icons mean that the character is coming out

-Yellow shaded icons are questionabbles and characters pending. They're kinda borderline.

-Blank icons without shade are in, but not locked in.



Again, the next target is Shadow, but also looking for other people.

the rules to get in.

1-the most important) MUST have diagonal attacks. If not, the character has absolutely no chance of getting in. though, if you can get animations, I can do the diagonal attacks myself. Diagonals are 4 extra attacks that add more options of offence to the playing field and add variety.

2) Absolutely No more Mushroom Kingdom, Pokemon or Zelda characters, unless I can get a good explaination and a moveset worth SSBBL admission. Gotta expand the gaming history.

3) MUST be balanced. Again, if not balanced, then forget it. but SSBBL balanced is a little different. Ranged attacks can be whatever length, but just make sure it's not too spammable. Also, extreme abilities, like 140 points of weight or a character that's fast and strong, should be offset by an extreme weakness.

That is one good looking roster. Now, here's what I would say about the red characters:

Diddy Kong: No sure
Pit: Sora
Ike: Dante
Wolf: Well, if you edit a Jigglypuff rel, you could port your Rosalina
Midna(Toon Link): My version of Young Link
ROB: Sephiroth

Well, droping Shadow now.

Dante, is unfinished.

Sora was pretty boring.

Sepiroth, unfinished.

No young link, why do we need two Links?!? I'm thinking Saria over Diddy, if not, a character from a different series.

Seriously, something over Wolf because he's glitchy. I'll keep Rosy over Jigs, just to save time.

And the Squirtle entry glitch is getting annoying. You have to start out as a different pokemon, then switch to squirtle, because there's somethin wrong with Squirtle's entry. I need a PSA for Squirtle and Ivysaur anyways, but their limits are just as poor as Samus.

naruto = ike :D

and for Luigi just use my raccon Luigi psa
Lucario you can make Kid buu PSA :D (use the ideas in my/Sdo0m´s thread)
wolf (i got a unfinished Vegeta PSA i only want to do one last update then someone can take over with the rest) only "A" attacks/thorws/others thing FS/"B" attacks will be done

snake can be kakashi

Already got Luigi PSA, but maybe I'll incorporate the racoon one.

just one anime character, k? For promotional purposes, and Goku's already claimed that spot, he just needs a port.

then it will be over Pit for Goku
but needing Goku over Cp. falcon done first and also needing ported Vertexs too (of HD goku with all textures/Transforms )

You just need the Saiyan armor right? After that I'll help with whatever you need done for Goku, because I, like a lot of people want to see him in action.

i needing more then just that alt. recolour for the package i still needing to revamp many animations and better Side-smash also needing Wins Animations then just PSA anything and get GFX that for the attacks and same with SFX

Side Smash can be an elbow thrust, or a flying head butt instead of a push.

it would be cool to have something over samus or zerosuit samus i know the filesize is crap but sinc samus already has so many projectyles maybe it wont need that much of filesize i would be cool to see a predator psa xD but i dont think anyone will make it :S

It's is awesome to see your progress.

How are the sfx going?

I can't really worry about sounds right now - my full focus is on the roster which quickly needs to be done. I may start making a Saria PSA soon.

Ah, i see. That is a good idea.

I have recently had a idea, perhaps I could find voice actors for some characters such as Daisy and Vivi. Since the new Sawnds has come out, it makes it a lot easier for me to insert new sfx.

Of course, it is up to you. New SFX could optional to the hack. (As in, separate but available)

Sure why not? If I right the script and you get the voice actors to say the stuff - or are you just gonna look for voice clips online?

Yes. Exactly the first thing you said.

Okay if you got voices then I can make up stuff for them to say.

Anyways, animating is such a pain to do sometimes:
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1840/animatingapaintodo.png)

But other times, it's really easy, like this epic battle stance:
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9228/epicstancebrawlbox.png)

Matching this:
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7519/epicstance.png)

But Keeping the arms close like in the episode didn't look right for some reason, so I just spread them a little so it's more natural.

Cool :D i think i can maybe add some golden GFX over win1 but if i can´t it will be Kaioken´s GFX

Nice that's what I was going for, like a Win that's charging, maybe put a lightning aura if someone's using ssj.

not possible to put lighting on just one slot

it will be oneslot psa and thats not possible too bad :(

Then how do people do those one slot size mods?

this Animations not PSA

bone renameing like rename X/YrotN bone to X/YrotN2 and then resize that X/YrotN2 bone in Animations

I figured it was something like that - because I was thinking of doing something with Bowser regaurding One-Size slots.

Wait a sec. Pikachu not locked in? He's the very second Nintendo icon.

What? Woops, I thought I forgot someone xD.

AND SOMEBODY FIX THIS DAMN INFO.PAC: http://www.mediafire.com/?hed12wche3i1rd6

It's 387 kb and still don't work! WHAT THE HELL?!? :notimp: Seriously, I can't take picking Cloud and then Olimar shows up anymore!

whats wrong  with this? when you pick cloud over olimar  the battle name that shows up is olimars?is that it?

It freezes before the game even loads, but it makes no sense because it's under the filesize limit, so yeah, idk, i'm sol.

and only happens when you select cloud over olimar?if so i think the info is not the problem do you have all the no entry and no result data codes?all extra codes to change ic constants?(you know the code that changes all ic constants at the same time can only be used once so  if you  have another rel with that code one of the two wont work)  or does cloud work without the info pac  in your SD?

No it freezes at the strap screen so I can't pick anybody xD

try taking the info pac out of the SD  and see if you can pick anyone becuase if you can its the info pack problem if you cant probably clouds problem

It's somethin wrong with the Info.pac, and I seriously need someone to fix it. If I don't use it, everything fine, it's just that all the replaced characters have older names during battle. :(

i think i fixed try it and say if it works
http://www.mediafire.com/?6aad4frri91j9th

NOPE

http://www.mediafire.com/?6aad4frri91j9th
try this one and just to be sure are you putting this into the info2 right?

I'll try it, but, how did you make it that small?

Idk if it works, trying it now. Remember I have NTSC.

EPIC FAIL, another freeze after the strap screen  :(

dont know what the probkem is and to make it small i just opened the one who comes with mewtwo 1.01 and added your extra character names info.pac is the same pal or ntsc becuase i use that one and been modifing it do you put info.pac on the pf folder under info2 folder? becuase that all there is to it  if it freezes is becuase maybe you messed up with some codding?

Goku V1 is closer and closer to be done but still needs afew thing
since in goku V1 psa will the whole moveset with all attacks
V2 will mainly be revamps of the attacks+on hit system like as Lucario for project: M

so V1 of Goku will be ready for a port

so Goku over Pit will be done as soon i got ported vertex or the Fitpit.pac will work with Cp. falcon vertex (what most working)

Yes I did everything, I don't know possibly what coding messes it up, cause even with just the File Patch Code it freezes.
EPIC, awesome!! I got a craving for DBZ, and I'm getting sick of seeing some old angel in this game. :D

here is what Goku needs:
better win3,better Side-Smash,better up-Throw,maybe a new side-Tilt but i think i let that stay in the moveset since cp. falcon´s side-tilt is good on goku too same with Down-tilt,fix the problem with N-B air if time is slowed(he teleport to the ground for some reason if used N-B air while time is slowed), PSa all that (and hope not to rebuilt the fitaptaion)and entry flying nimbus model/texure and then just animation for the entry model + maybe revamp entry animations on goku

lol WOW that's quite a handful!

not really if i work hard it will be done fast

the thing i worry most about is N-B air problem and Flying nimbus model+filesize

I think the flying nimbus should be saved for a Gohan PSA because Goku only used it in the saiyan sagas, but that's just me :D

i dont care it will be a perfect entry for goku it is much better then just teleport to the stage or fly

and you mean Kid goku psa  :af2: Gohan use flying nimbus only at start of buu saga then it is Goten until he learn Flying and then Goku again at last ep. of GT

Well I'm just sayin :D

Anyways, will the port to Pit need any codes or .rels? Not that it matter, just thought i'd find out.

nope the port will needs nothing it will work for both pal+us since it is a port like shadow over dk,

Yes, I like that! Saves up space on the SD, just what I need  :af2:

i just tryed the the last info.pac  i sended in my own and it worked olimar appeared named cloud pichu bros appeared wisp appeared there was no problem like i said maybe some codding messed filepatch code? or something becuase at my end it worked like a charm

Damn it that's not fair! My File Patch code is 3.5.1, and it was untouched from when I put it inside! Everything in that code is the way it should be! WTF?!?

and you putted the info.pac in    pf/info2/info.pac ????

Yes!

Wait, in Gecko OS, there's the options tab and there's File Patch inside. I have it turned off because I have the File Patch code already there, but the File Patch Code patches all the files flawlessly except for the Info.pac, so If I were to turn the file Patch on in the Gecko options, would the Info.pac work, whether or not the File Patch code is activated or not?

dont know i use gecko and didnt mess with that but probably it has to do with something you messed there i only use a gct and has all the code inside and runs perfectly

So here's somethin new - I added a new move to Zelda's already extensive library of moves:

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6167/teleportzelda.jpg)

As you can see, it's an instant teleport over a long distance to go along with her teleport sidestepping and dodging, taking just one frame to move, with some lag however, put in both before and after. I put this in so that Zelda will be able to effectively close gaps between her and cowardly players xD. No but seriously, this is a tactical move because there are no collisions, just movement. I had to come up with two more attacks for Down-B's because I wanna get rid of Sheik. The aerial Down-B is unimportant lol, just a spike with downward momentum. Anyways, this can close gaps, or make a hasty escape. Only thing is, you can't go through walls of course XD.

Long exposure to constant long-range teleportation can cause intense confusion.

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5453/confusionl.jpg)

Misuse of teleportation abilities can cause fatal mistakes.

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1448/deathfy.jpg)

Also, still needing someone over Wolf, besides Vegeta because Goku should be coming in, and other than Lloyd Irving because He's unfinshed and appears untouuched since the last beta. If Wolf is replaced, then that removes all the glitchless players in SSBBL! Minus the freezing green slots of Wisp and Rosalina :(



And While I'm at it, read below: A lookback at the issues I've had with glitching people :srs: , probably of high interest to those of you who question the replacement of some people:

-King Dedede: Somethin to do with hovering and constantly moving over his CSP face icon caused some stupid random freeze then stops around August 2010, but instead has FS issues, but have since been fixed, 7-5-11, so he's clear! HOWEVER, inability to make a moveset out of him due to being unable to read his file with any of the PSA versions I have in memory may cause an unexpected replacement.
-Peach: Pretty Glitchy in that random-but-rare- colorful lines would appear on screen at random times, obscuring the view, while victory and results screen sequences played and all opponents mysteriously disappeared for the duration of the match as trying to pause had weird lag as if there were a bunch of GFX in the way, also had random freezing at the worst times - it caught everyone off guard whenever someone froze as her. Possible culprits were the Parasol, her side-smash weapons, her turnips, maybe even just her model, but never found out because nothing ever appeared to cause the freezing. She just seemed to freeze whenever she felt like it, much like the Shadow over R.O.B. hack, except the least pleasant kind of freezing(BEEEEEEEP/EEEERRRRRRRRR/BUZZZZZZZZ, pretty much everything you'd want to have your TV mute for). 4-23-11, Daisy replaces Peach to resolve glitching, SSBBL style PSA pending, just waiting on a vertex.
-Squirtle: Entry issue where if a player starts off as Squirtle, there's the Pokeball flash and then instant freeze right when you see Squirtle coming out, while simply starting as a different pokemon and switching back to Squirtle has no problems. Unknown if this is still an issue, but if it is still, Squirtle may have to be replaced :(
-Mr. Game and Watch: COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE, seriously, you select him in the CSS and then try to load a stage and that's as far as you get. Couldn't even use him in solo mode either, not even Home-Run contest or any stadium stuff! Select All-Star Mode, and guess what? Mr. GW is the first to fight, so you get to the stage, you and GW start to fall to the ground about 2 inches, then the dreaded BEEEP. But hey, at least you get to see him that time before he freezes lol. 5-2-11, Wisp replaces G and W to resolve glitching, 5-26-11, SSBBL style PSA complete
Wolf: Entry issue, like Squirtle, except, randomly decides to go and freeze and randomly decides to allow play. Unknown reason, will be replaced.
-Olimar: Issues with Pikmin spawning, randomly deciding to allow more than 6 Pikmin on him at once, therefore causing freezing. 4-25-11, Cloud replaces Olimar to resolve glitching, SSBBL style PSA questionnable
-R.O.B.: Currently having issues with his FS timer on his laser actually restarting whenever B is pressed during the FS duration, thus allowing an Infinite laser. Thankfully, CPU's don't know about this, so they'll only activate the laser once, like in normal brawl, and everything works fine. Most likely will be replaced due to high imbalance of the stated issue. Though, a position battle may arise depending on who - or what, fills the Diddy Kong, Sheik, and Imp Midna slots.
-Pit: The colorful shaded lines like Peach's, but except it only happened one time, and it was early in development, in June 2010. Since then, glitchless. Boring to play as and against, but glitchless. Still planning on replacing him anyways. Goku pending, all dependent on Goku's progress over Falcon.

My next projects? Saria, most likely going over Diddy, or R.O.B., and also on standby for any assistance needed with MarioDk's Goku. Then, if Diddy's not taken, Midna will go over him, and I'll get rid of Imp Midna. Then after, I'll get back to Rosalina and finish her, maybe make her sound like Samus, and look into putting Little Mac and King Boo in, as well as King K. Rool, one of which, I'm hoping will go over Toon Link/Imp Midna.

Maybe if someone can fix the Little Mac over Sheik so that He's glitchless, I'll move him up to the front of the line and work on his moveset :D Since Zelda now has a lot of Sheik's moves without having to transform, having Sheik is useless, so I've no hesitation to get rid of that body.

For right now, the biggest priority is still, replacing Wolf.



And since I had the character issues, may as well have the stage issues too. Isn't it fun remembering and listing all the freezing and glitching issues with this?!?

-Corneria: BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ASS. You couldn't finish a single match on that stage unless you litterally had a one life match and everyone just walked off. Idk know if it was the arwings/wolfen aircraft or what, but this was just unplayable. May 29, 2010, I had installed Homebrew and got all the necessary codes, then experienced the first freeze I've had, and it was on this stage. It had so many random freezes, especially when the underguns/cannons fired! I just gave up and put the training stage there. Isn't there a version where items appear? not just the sandbag?

-Yoshi's Island(B): idk, somethin to do with the changing of the seasons, so I just put over an FD based stage.

-Twilight Mansion(Smashville replacement): random, but very rare freezing, mostly only after you've played for a while and decide to go here. Never freezes if one of the first few stages played, or one of the first few stages and then repeatedly played. idknow maybe it's cause I have each time of day file set to have the battlfield be in a different section of the course from the other files.

-Green Greens: Weird incident just recently, actually. Didn't record or remember which day, but one instance on this stage, midway through battle, the default music from the game, becomes fuzzy and then mixes with all the results screen themes of characters, with what sounded like reception problems that a radio would have. Not wanting to see - or hear anymore, I quickly exited. One of the few unhacked stages I decided to keep and it's never had issues before.

-Spear Pillar: freezing sometimes during the sideways lasers and always when exiting from training. Replaced with Alive Rayquaza's Lake, which I edited twice to make 3 different files on Spear Pillar, renaming them to Mystic Lake, which has had only the issue of suckish random stage selection.

-Halberd: Almost as bad as Corneria - a close second, but at least you got to finish some matches here!

-75m: Can't climb ladders, so why am I gonna leave this here?

-Rumble Falls: Freezing, may have to do with the stage transition from the end to the beginning. Also, there's ladders here!

-Pictochat: Again, Ladders :(

-Final Destination: Believe it or not, here was acting up too the first few weeks, but is now perfect and has epic retexture, special stage, bonus stage and secret stage, all more epic than the other!

-Pokemon Stadium and Corneria start to not read FD .rels: Idk, recently, which is why Training stage is on Corneria now because before, I had Melee Final Destination here and a stage I have yet to upload on Corneria. These two stages just don't read the .rel and freeze. It's weird because it randomly happened - I didn't even do nothin to provoke it, unless too many stages were using FD stuff that since these were the last in the SSS, they wouldn't read it or somethin, idk.

Well now, there are no stage issues, thankfully. And last but not least, since the Info.pac issue has been mentionned already, the ladders glitch which is still very much alive:
-One day I can climb latters, the next, I play exactly the same way I did before and didn't change anything, then all of a sudden, grabbing ladders freezes game. This means all stages with ladders had to be replaced, stage builder stages cannot have ladders, and since they're everywhere in SSE, Subspace emissary is unplayable. Not cool, and unsure how to fix that.
:srs:


So now, you know a portion of the trials and tribulations of what I had to go through for the past year.

*facepalm* Also, back in my first week of PSAing, I didn't know about filesize limits, so i had an epic ultimate Zelda file of size 447 kb that I worked on for two hours, then plugged it in just to have it beeep in my face. Simply stunning.

thats alot of text wow i readed it took some time  and i have a sugestion for you
first you could get ride of pokemon trainer and put pokemon as independant character with their own slot on the rooster i know there is a code for this  so you could use ridley over charizard then if you wanted to replace squirtle you could without affecting the whole rooster and maybe only maybe  you could add down B moves  like  zelda or sheik so you could have them as full extra characters and i see lucario is not loocked in too so i had a sugestion reduce pokemon characters to 4 or 5 first pikachu(well pokemon icon) second pichu brothers good duo third mewtwo 4th maybe  you could psa and animate aafyre mew over ness   so we could have rivals like mew vs mewtwo and maybe keeping  ivisaur (but evolve him to venusaur) since he is the only four legged character  and i bet there isnt any vertexes that would fit him well while ported


and with pokemon trainer 3 pokemons independant you could  just port or ask anyone to port a model over them and do a psa since you wanted ridley over charizard to fight samus  and with 3 extra characters it would fell like  the rooster is bigger  you should do the same with zelda and sheik and use spider man psa over shiek on its own slot i know there is a code for it too


edit for what i saw in the vault charizard could be replaced by ridley and squirtle by bowser jr but like i said you could always ask a porter to port some other vertex over any of them

There is already a vertex for Daisy http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17772 Dunno if you want to use that one or not.

LOL, dude, that's the Daisy I've been PSAing, retexturing and animating for like, the past five months now :D. I think Starwaffle's would've been better if he didn't mess with the face and kept it the way GameWatching had xD.

True, I would have to give them new Down-B moves like I did with Zelda and Sheik, but I'm thinking just keep Pokemon Trainer as he is - I have no idea why people would want to separte the pokemon when they've already gotten the portrait selection is beyond me, except for what you just said in porting characters. However, Replacing Pokemon Trainer entirely and leaving just an Ivysaur/Venusaur/Bulbasaur would just be a little off xD.

My next move, is splitting ONLY Zelda and Sheik in the CSS, so then I can replace Sheik. I really don't need Sheik, because Zelda already has most of Sheik's moves in her PSA lol. The only problem I'm having with this is that Zelda's file was 396 kb - like, litterally the limit to her file size, if I was to change one little thing or add one little timer, she'd freeze. And while adding the two replacement moves shown above and getting rid of her transformation did relieve her of 2kb space that I can use as breathing room, but now at 394 kb, that's still way over the Culmulative file size limit, meaning Zelda and *Whoever goes over Sheik* Would not be able to play in the same match because only one of the PSAs would be loaded and the other would have a glitchy version of the default moveset, and if some retarded CPU was to try and transform, well, you know...

On a side note, I'm also going to be doing SSBBL version movesets for all the imported characters, meaning Cloud, Daisy, etc.

I'm pretty much finished with Legacy Daisy, so I'll upload that later when I get someone to do a vertex. I also did Legacy Wisp but barely much has changed from the original version besides new diagonal attacks and balance tweaks because Eldiran's version was a triffle too weak xD. After I finish Daisy, i'll be doing Cloud and Pichu Bros, but I can't imagine what to do for either of them XD. I can safely say though, that the Daisy's SSBBL PSA is really engaging and has a gambling sort of playstyle, especially when she gets into her extreme levels  :o.

Though, back to the independent Pokemon, If I could get ALL three of them glitchlessly replaced(minus any graphics glitching that'd come from .rel porting, of course, can't fix that) Then I'll use the independent Pokemon Engine. Replacements would just have to not be from Mushroom Kingdom or Zelda, since there's enough of them already.

i dont think rel ports work on pokemon because they are transforming characters :S thats why people cant rel port over zelda/shiek or wario and i think its the same with pokemons but im not sure  what i meant was old shool porting  like the shadow over DK or  other ports where people ported the vertex with no rel attached

i best like vertex ports
so they can use a Fit(the char. they are over´s PSA).pac

like Goku over pit with Pit´s filesize limit+GFX slots :D

i think that port way is the best for make whole new PSAs but if needed to port something like SMBZ mario he needing a .rel 

Why don't you use the Goku over Pit (once it's ready) and have SDoom's Veautiful Joe over Capt. Falcon?

if you mean the vertex it is only a SSj one + really really really really really really really 5min. later: really really bad
like the gohan one over Pit

thats why i needing ported vertex over pit 

But aren't you porting Goku on Pit for filesize?

Edit: I mean't that when the port of Goku over Pit is done. Then they use it.

Goku over Pit i will self use since i have tired V. joe PSA and i really like it but first i wanted Goku over Cp. falcon done to v1 so i can use any Animations over Pit+copy the codes in PSA from CP. falcon to Pit

Yes, plus, Captain Falcon is not getting cut - He's Captain Falcon! But does Pit really have more filesize? I'm still loling at how the FitCaptain.pac isn't as big as others. I was able to do whatever the hell I wanted when doing Legacy Daisy and it still had a ton of space left over :D I would say try Goku over Wolf but your saving that for Vegeta in the future and I'm waiting for someone to go over Wolf - MAYBE, if someone could port Viewtiful Joe over Wolf to see if that works, then that would remove the last glitchy character from Legacy!

As for the Pokemon, yeah, just do model swapping like I did for Rosalina Over Jigs, then redo the PSA using the new model's bones. I'm not sure if you can just rename a PSA file and put it over a character and then it works with the new ported model.

Pit is one of the best in high filesize limit with metaknigt i was close to port  Goku over MK but MK got a Tails now :D!!!

so Pit is the one 

Marth's breathing room is pretty good to so if Pit don't workout, you can always try Marth and also Toon Link - He's got the best amount of size, limit so far at 600kb+!! Just think what can be done with that much space!

I did very well with Legacy Daisy because I had so much space - Daisy has five different states, but I need to think of a better name because,"Daisy's Rage" just don't sound right.

There's gotta be somethin ported over Sheik - Was anyone able to glitchlessly port a Zelda model over Sheik?

i said in my Thread i using Marth and for ToonLink he will be Geno
but Pit is one i  never using and my hacks is mainly for my own roster but other ppl can always use the hacks for something like this if they wanted :D

Well I's goin on a little trip - I'm hoping to finish Legacy Daisy so I can make some enhancements to all the other Legacy characters, then start on Legacy Cloud, which should be quick, then Legacy Pichu Bros.

will legacy pichu bros have an recovry up B? and 2 jumps or you still keeping 4 jumps?

what will legacy cloud be based off of anyway

Not really much, just going to add a couple new attacks, maybe a few tricks. Not too much I can do with him.


I'ma keep the 4 jump recovery, because it's unique xD. The Up-B reverse thunder bolt will be made a little stronger, and actually have just a little knockback, not too much  :D

Dude, what about the Neutral B? That needs to be a little stronger. As much knockback and damage as Pikachu's Thunder Jolt

Howcome? It's fast and has range so why make it stronger? Pichu Bros aren't supposed to be that offensive.

In Melee, did you know that Pichu was stronger than Pikachu? The only downfall would be that it's percentage increased everytime it used an eletric type move. So, all I'm saying is that move should be a little stronger.

Hmph, alright. Just remember, Pichu Bros are not to be offensive characters. I will slightly strengthen their N-B while I'm in the process of upping Ganon, Bowser and Marissa.

Still needing someone over Wolf so that All-Star mode, Multi-Man Brawl and Event Match are fully playable again.

like i said wolf is tricky becuase he has very few hacks over him also did pichubros got that items fix? and if your using pokemon trainers pokemon you should make down B attacks and made them change pokemons on the down taunt xD dont know why nintendo didnt tough  in this instead of loosing a special attack 8(they were lazy xD)

I think Nintendo gave the pokemon change on Down+B on purpose, because with it, the three pokemon only have 4 special moves including the final smash attack. A nod to the pokemon games where pokemon can only have 4 moves at a time.

Lucario and Jigglypuff also have four special moves including their FS's. But their FS' aren't actual pokemon moves, they're attack-traits specifically for that pokemon.

i dont count fs as a move at all i think pokemons should have 4 specials like everyone else xD

Give me and my team a few months >=D we'll have a suitable replacement for wolf soon enough *evil Robotnick laugh of awesomesauce*

I like this Pokemon Trainder discussion XD

But I only have 5 days to find a suitable replacement for Wolf! Pokemon Trainer I'll deal with if I can fix Squirtle's spawning issues.

just take squirtle entry  gfx and edit the entry pack even if you take out everything in there this most solve the problem xD

Curious, why don't you port Bowser over Wolf? But use Bowser Jr. vertex by Star Waffle and this PSA (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=13025) made by Cuddly-Metaknight.

So you're saying use a Bowser vertex with a Squirtle PSA on Wolf....

Ok then XD

yes i think thats preety much impossible and how would bowser be ported over wolf i bet he would have loads of glitches that would need to be fixed :S

Aw... I read that wrong...

Then port squirtle onto wolf.

Goku port over Wolf

since Pit will be hard to get Goku over (pit has many bones)
thats why i needing someone really good at vertex porting like snoopy for this port

but Wolf i think should be fine so just needing ported vertex (but i still wanted over Pit version for possible SSJ mode/Tranforms)

so your losing faith that someday beyond will release his vegeta over wolf?? and for bones over pit couldnt you just add extra bones  like most people due bones that are useless?

no but just so this project got something over wolf since Wolfegeta Psa is far from done
and vegeta vertex with wolf´s moveset is not really vegeta
but Triforce Zelda has to self make the psa over Wolf and get the ported vertex i just give you permission for it (dont use rename Fitcaptain.pac/motionetc.pac to wolf method but use vertex porting method)

Then why does Pika have 5?..

Because Pikachu is a beast. Even though he should've had iron tail as a meteor smash...

Pikachu does not have 5 specials, Thunder Jolt is not a real pokemon move. So out of the REAL moves Pika has, it only has 4.

pika lucario and jiglypuff all have four specials moves lucario aura storm isnt a move and jigly puff up isnt a move like thunder jold isnt one so they all have four pokemon moves  except the pokemon trainers pokemon who only has 3 since switching in the down B takes a move from them

But in the final smash they get 4. well charizard uses an illegal move but other than that, everyone has 4 moves.

that isnt a pokemon attack at all lol its just beam of energy same as lucario aura storm isnt a move  so i dont consider FS a move at all

The FS is so a move!

It's Fire Blast, Solarbeam, and Hydro Pump.

Technically, Charizard's FS is Fire Blast, Ivysaur's is Solarbeam, and Squirtle's is Hydro Pump.

They could've at least made Fox and Falco radeo peppy for a landmaster instead of them just magically summoning it like a pokemon XD

Seriously...Nintendo logic....UGHHHH *grrrface*

No, not Peppy. It should be Slippy mofoing toad!

But in the games peppys the one who operates the targeting system to send the landmaster in the first place....

Wait so if Goku over Pit is not possible, and Beyond is being lazy, then Goku might have to get cut.

I need a link to the squirtle entry files. Do all pokemon triners pokemon have a culmulative filesize like Zelda and Sheik?

but the way they use it it just doesnt look like a move at all but i still think pokemons should have down b moves and switch at down taunt since they gave them some preety useless  moves i mean squirtle water gun is crap  and rock smash to charizard really?  in pokemon games  that gotta be one of the most useless moves ever to use in battle only good for the HM holder xD and ivy up B leaves much to be disered so a good  move on down B could improve them greatly xD

go to recourses here on the vault it must be there the entry pack also i dont think pokemon files have filesize together but i could be wrong

For wolf, use the Lloyd import from TOS2.

It's incomplete and glitchy.

I know can everybody just shut up about Lloyd? He's incomplete and glitchy like Royal Blade said XD

Sorry XD I've been kinda busy. No updates on new people, but some semi-beta movesets are here if anyone wants to try them out:

Triforce Ganon V0.7(Adding Triforce Level 2 and Full-Power modes later :D)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yntb52wew9w179p


Ultimate-Demon-Volt Bowser V0.8(Missing the Ultimate Level XD I'll get to that soon)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?7o42f5qno8bxvny


Triforce Zelda V0.97(having two more empty sub actions from having no Sheik Transform means that I can add two more attacks :D I think I ran out of ideas that make sense and are not OP)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?f83qhf6gyy28lzd


Triforce Link V0.7(Adding Triforce Level 2 mode later r) )
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1zd458z6jtz6284
Since there is no "Light" Element in Brawl, I used Aura which is the closest thing, but I think I'll make it so that one mode uses Aura and the other is basic attacking



Phoenix Mario V0.99/V0.44(Idk, just balance stuff and 2nd FS issue)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?p69y0c40220c8ac
I was talking to MarioDK about putting this one into combination with his SMBZ Mario, having Phoenix Mario as a power-up mode. It may take 10-15 extra Kb, so I don't know how filesize will hold up.



Thunda Luigi V0.8/V0.4(It seems finished but Idk, something's not right and I don't know what it is)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2tztv4h1oo2xji6
Again, Mario DK was suggesting Racoon Luigi, then I thought maybe put Thunda Luigi into Racoon Luigi as another Combo-nation (XD) but If he doesn't have time, I'd do it for him. This one may need anywhere from 15-30 kb because of some special attacks Thunda has, so again, I don't know how filesize will agree with me. I'd have to do this because MDK don't have the time. I really don't care much for Luigi - He can go die for all I care, and I still won't care XD, but I know other people do like him so I will make Luigi epic like everybody else!

Also, some of the more powerful characters have charging Taunts that Heal some damage. In the beggining, it was supposed to big long and epic, but I put the characters invulnerable because CPUs would just [censored] everything up and then I found out shortly after, that some cheap cheapskate can just spam this Taunt move and no one else can do anything about it. I ignored it for several months and put it off until now, so now, people can get hit when charging, but it takes a lot less time. Also, les damage will be healed - maybe about between 10-40%. By the time you start actually healing you'll end-up getting hit so that balance's things out. Also, another cool thing is that on one-on-one battles, each time a person knocks out, the player left can recharge their energies, so that makes the match all the more tense, and if the other player wants to try and be greedy and replenish more energy, then someone can just hit him and end it! Back and Forth charging seems fair, especially now that people can get hit when charging. Plus, if Mario and Luigi get their combinations, they'll get charging taunts too for those moveset swaps.


There are two/three types of charges:
1- Power-Up: This is what people like Daisy and Zelda have, where their attacks change in some way. Ganondorf, Link, Bowser, and maybe Mario and Luigi will get this
2- Healing: This is what Link, Fox, and others currently have. Right now, they're being restructured so that people can hit them while they're charging, making the move fair.

3- Well, this one's exclusive only to Zelda as a FS: She rather than attacking, charges to a sort of Full Power state that can heal her damage and then go into negative numbers of damage. It takes quite a while though, and since it's an FS, she's invulnerable when doing this. It's also a shortcut to her Triforce Level 2 Moveset so no more time is wasted doing the manual charge. Nothing else changes, just her damage goes way down, depending on how much damage she had when using the FS. If she uses it at 0%, you'll have to hit her quite a bit - after 100% or so, maybe not so much as you think. On the other hand, her Level 2 FS is a big FS attack that gives her a lot of damage - I don't remember off the top of my head, but I think about between 70%-100% and also automatically switches back to the normal Triforce level.


-Fixed Charges done so far:
   -Zelda
   -Zelda(Sheik)
   -Link
   -Daisy(Well she started off with the new kind of charging XD)
   -Vivi(I'm gonna bump up the effects of his so i doesn't only affect two attacks lol)
   -Charizard(Somewhat of less a button hold, but a repeated button press, originally, give credit of that one to DO)

-To do:
   -Ganondorf
   -Fox
   -Falco
   -Meta Knight
   -Yoshi
   -Bowser
   -Marissa
   -Cloud??? - His Up taunt, it's surprisingly long and GFX full, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was originally designed to be a charging move. If not, it will be :D
   -Wisp
   -A couple others

-People without charges:
   -Mario
   -Luigi
   -Wario*
   -Donkey Kong*
   -a few others*

People marked with (*) most likely will not be getting a charge because of either low energy concentration or planning on replacement.


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Some people do have a large amount of jumps but it's just a testing amount and of course the max amount of jumps anyone will have as a Final Moveset will be below 7. I'm gonna emphasize the effects of recovery, though, which may mean not a lot of jumps, but more in the lines of some people's recoveries sucking, like Daisy's, some people having infinite recovery, like Ganon's, some people having infinite recovery only if they keep moving, like, Bowsers, and some people just having no recovery at all, like Pichu Bros. But don't think for a second that recovery will unbalance things, because I have very good plans on these characters in granting advantages.*grins*

Like I said, I'm gonna make this game really juicy and engaging so that you barely get a moment of no action! To link to above, I'm gonna epmhasis largely on certain advantages characters have, and disadvantages. For example, in normal Brawl, they say Bowser is extremely strong, and his Side Smash uncharged does about 17-19%, while Meta Knight's supposed to be weak, and his Side Smash does somewhat like 14-16%, and Sheik's two hit Smash combines as maybe 14-16% too. Well, in SSBBL, I'm emphasising Bowser's strength making a uncharged Side Smash about between 19%-24%, so the strength is more noticeable and actually something you'll wanna stay more alert of, but you'll never really see it as an overpowered thing because his attacks in general are all pretty slow, balancing it out, and you see how emphasis is placed on Bowser's advantages and disadvantages. Now another example? Take Daisy(I'm using her in explainations a lot XD, she's just easiest for me to use because I've messed around with her a lot recently) Now Daisy is a Heavily-based offensive character, excelling in strength, attack speed, and agility. With excelling combo ability, now she seems to have a huge upper hand right? Wrong. Not even close to being ahead, if anything maybe behind. She's light - 81 units/whatever Brawls' measure is in PSA lol. Also, she sucks in the air, as her attacks have less range and some are slower, as well as her not getting very high in the air or moving fast in the air either. PLUS, both FS's, (She has only two now) can be blocked and avoided most easily. Also, to tie onto the above paragraph, her recovery is the worst in the game so far, even though she's invulnerable and the torque pushes people and things away - it does have DK's and Bowser's physics in that it has a lot of horizontal gain and little vertical gain, so it's great for a normal recovery situation, but going below the stage or just slightly under a ledge collision is bad, meaning, 97% of the time, death. Also not hard to spike her when you knock her off too. PLUS, it's not controllable so you'd have to use the Side-B, Flying Slam, to turn around and then use it, but it has so much ending lag that she'd die before she gets a chance to do anything. Another thing is that while her Headbutt Up Smash has a sweetspot right on her forehead (lol) that can KO easier, if the attack connects on her side, she only deals about 8% damage, and her Down Smash is VERY weak and slow, only dealing about 10% and only good because of combing, avoiding decay and people seem to have some trouble hitting her when doing that attack even though she's completely vulnerable. See? Strengths in the obvious areas can be cancelled out by Weaknesses in technical areas. Another example? Pichu Bros, because I spent some time on them a lot too. They're like Ice Climbers, in that they're strongest when together. They thus have an advantage in being tag-team characters as they can deal more damage and one of them can sneak around and attack. But again, they don't have a recovery move, like Jigglypuff, even though they have 4 jumps to make up for it, edge-guarders can lurk around and do what they do best. and they're about weight 67, so it's easy to knock them off. Because of their size too, most of their melee attacks have poor range. Now it seems like Pichu's are under-powered, right? Wrong again. They've got ranged attacks in the Up-B Reverse Thunder Bolt, Down-B Freeze Shock, and N-B Electric Flash, Plus they've got their size to thank - it's actually good to be small! I remember countless times being Captain Falcon, Daisy, Snake, and several other bigger people, and trying to attack Pichu Bros. but having half the attacks miss when the Pichus are just standing there motionless, then even less success trying to hit them when they're moving! Of course as stated multiple times before, the effect doesn't work on Kirby, Meta Knight, Pikachu, and other smaller brawlers - Thus why a seemingly unstoppable Ganon is beaten by a duo of Pichu's. And the Side-B has a little jump in the air so it's somewhat of a recovery. So I'm not blindly making PSAs here, I'm simply expanding on their possibilites. If they're Offensive, give them boosts in offensive traits. If they're defensive, give em some ranged attacks, etc. Another way you could put it is that I'm Overpowering and Underpowering so that there's balance - basically what the original Brawl did, but didn't do very well(ex. from SSBB 08': Ganondorf overpower the strength and underpower speed and agility, Meta Knight, overpower speed and underpower strength etc. etc. etc.). I plan on making every moveset exaggerate both strengths and weaknesses of the L Brawlers, while not going over board with it because I realize that a repetitive strategy won't be enjoyable XD.

In fact, I should put a post stating the type of brawler each character is/will be - Should I? Why not. Maybe I'll put the direct above two paragraphs in the OP, idk,

Also, Super Smash Bros Brawl Legacy will be refered to with the alias SSBBL, and Super Smash Bros Brawl will be refered to as SSBB 08', just incase you didn't pick it up yet.


In other news, to hell with Wolf! I need him gone! Same for Sheik! And Diddy! And R.O.B.!

thats alot and i mean alot of text i readed most of it lol and your right when i use pichu bros i get lower damage becuase most of the attacks dont hit them lol what is cheap its the FS since the cpu doesnt know how to dodje it  but when the cpu is pichu bros i always shield the attack and dont die xD

Well, CPUs are never smart with anything so if they don't know how to shield well that's their problem XD. The CPU Cloud always hurls fireballs unless he's on a really small stage, Zelda won't fastfall unless she's level 7 or higher, and some other stuff lol.







Alright well, it's about time I clear outta here. At the time I post this message, I'll have an hour left to finish up any last minute business I have here. I'd like to thank everybody, every single person who posted here for your help, support, and advice. Whether or not it was useful, thanks anyways xD. I'll be working on SSBBL in my own time alone, and I'm planning on doing Saria, Midna, King K.Rool, and many others as well as a long chain of stages. But Thanks again for everything here. I will not return unless I get SSBBL to a near finished point so that all I would have to do is tweak the roster instead of making whole movesets for characters. But everyone on this thread is getting credited. I will say that while I've dealt with some annoyances here, it was pretty fun, I have to admit - I'll stop there because I hate getting into sentimental and chessy crap, so thanks. At 9:00 AM, Eastern Time, I'm gone, sono one be PMing me after that time, or else you're just wasting time because you know I won't be here to respond. Laterz  ;)

And as a last minute decision, I've decided to leave everythig in my vault where it is - it may help out some other people around here, I don't know.

We Should pick up what SDoom tossed out, we should build someone i know everyone will get a laugh out of, he is strong fast, almost immortal, and he is creeped out by babies. we should finish SDoom's trashed Deadpool. he is funny, well known, and gauranteed to get a lot of downloads, especially if we continue to mimic MvC3. he will be over snake and lord knows we need something a little more balanced. i know im tired of gaurd slayer and the other PSA's snake has