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Theory i have.
The Forbidden 7 are but empty files. However, after i opened them in hex editor neo, i noticed that they are all exactly the same (minus where it says thier names, however).
This, to me, means one of three things:
1. They were meant to be dlc
2. They are needed for the game to run
3. Saukrai loves to screw with us
4. Nothing

For 1:
They all contain the same thing. My guess is that they are just "activators" so that the rest of the files could be dlc (these files themselves would have to be changed, though). Because of how the css is made and the way the forbidden 7's files are, I think this is the case. Also, I highly doubt Pra_Mai is any nintendo character, and was meant to be 3rd party but had its named changed for legality.
For 2:
Completely possible. If, however, someone removed the files, burnt the iso, and tested it, that would disprove this entirely
For 3:
We already know it's true, so he could just be screwing with us again.
For 4:
It could mean nothing. Perhaps they were just left on the disk because of forgetfullnes. I doubt it, but its possible. Mewtwo having an empty sound effect while no other forbidden 7 does seems like a screw up to me, so maybe it is.

1: Nay.
2: Ha, yeah right. Those are dummy files, taking them out won't do anything.
3: He probably forgot to clean them off.
4: I have some crazy belief that Melee was ported, and everything was changed from there.

Considerring brawl was originally just going to be melee with online, that last one isn't too unlikely

I'm glad it wasn't. Nothing against the forbidden 7, but I hate Melee quite a bit.

Get your opinion out of here, and stay on topic.

Wait. How could he have missed this if he supposedly "cleaned out" the game to remove stuff like the debug mode?

Considering how sketchy the file organization is(why are there 3 different copies for all of the characters' stock heads?) He probably overlooked this too.

Don't forget that common5 has random pictures of Mario in random places.

And other files contain Japanese TGAs of the Japan version of Brawl. I believe he was trying to fill the disc.

Also, FitKirbyWarioMan00.pac

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<_<

I thought Pra_Mai was Plusle and Minun...?

And obviously, it's #3. SAKURAAIIII!!!

Actually, searching through Brawl files the other day. I've noticed something.

The MenSelChara numbers are in numeric order, but there are some missing.

21
28
29
36
43
45

And possibly 47, but the numbers end at 46. Those are the 6 (or 7 if there was going to be a 47) missing numbers in the order of the MenSelChara. The battle portraits also show it.

So, this leaves to other questions. Did Sakurai go this far to actually skip numbers in the MenSelChara? Is he retarded to learn how to count? Or, were the Forbidden 7 actually planned? But why would he leave those empty files in there when he didn't leave the MenSelChara missing files?

I'm guessing he left them in to take up space because looking through a bunch of files, I found pointless Mario icons everywhere (unused), along with buttons, and Japanese TGAs. Same with DK textures in the Landmaster trophy, and a rock in the Common5.

I also noticed there are missing items. >_>

Anyone's thoughts on what I've found?

I'm guessing that removing those unused files would've affected other stuff, so they had to keep it there even if it's unused.

That's... How can that be exactly? There's nothing in them like those 400MB dummy1.dat files.

yeah well 400mb can affect everything past it if it's deleted..

ex:
Mario 1000mb
Dummy 400mb
Luigi 1000mb
Peach 1000mb

With the dummy, if you want to call for Luigi's file, it's at 2400mb after the beginning.
If you were to remove the dummy, and the game wanted to call for Luigi's file, but it would be at 2000mb. So it wouldn't load the 400mb before.

I don't know if it works like that, but I know that the "go to" in PSA works like that...

So basically you mean pointers....

My guess is that Nintendo is trying to Screw with our heads. Maybe they were'nt meant to be put in the game and Nintendo just wants us to get distracted and spend all our time trying to get them in the game.

Actually, I found something new now.

You know those names at the character select on the CSPs? I found 7 blank 4x4 ones in random order.

These guys WERE planned.

OK never mind what i said. lol. All of these characters will be possible as soon as we get a model importer. Which is'nt to far from now. If we can Model hack Melee, (which people have already done) we can model hack brawl. I mean we already have the movesets!

"These guys WERE planned"
Yeah,old news.
Also people model hacked melee O.O I had no idea.

Pfft, just saying they were planned just by only finding ef_ files for them, isn't enough to prove they were planned. Not old news, new news. There were more files for them that nobody else knew about. >_>

Old News:they where planned
New News:There's more files....then it's gone in 3 mins.

It's not old news if it didn't have enough evidence proving they were planned. As said before, someone could've left them in there on purpose for a joke since there was only what? One? Two traces of them?

There are no more files of them except for blank sound effects. Everything else is either a 4x4 pixel image, or a dummy file. I'm sure of that. If you're willing to prove me wrong, and find more, be my guest, I'd like to see myself disproven.

The only thing I believe to have been removed before the game came out is hitstun. Those 7 probably weren't finished.

And the melee stages in brawl look like direct ports but I can't confirm this.

Basically, the whole Melee was ported from rumors, and edited to something different completely.

I don't know why some people refuse to believe that the Forbidden 7 were meant to be playable characters. Sakurai even said himself that there were a lot more characters that he wanted in the game, but didn't make it in due to time restraints.

...everyone knows that the 7 where in...but why no Pichu or Y.Link?

There were doubts. EOD.

As for Pichu, and Y. Link. Melee was apparently a port to the Wii, and completely edited out to be something else, as said earlier. They must've changed Young Link's model to Toon Link's along with everything else. As for Pichu, I believe the same was done by making him into Prai_mai, though never made it.