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Title: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 08, 2011, 08:21:10 PM
My idea is to model parts (tops, bottoms, shoes, gloves, weapons, heads, hair, and accessories) and distribute them to be placed together and rigged. They'll be done by body types like marth, link, pit, zelda, etc.

the models will be distributed as a .dae in an .rar with its corresponding texture. the models within the .dae will be placed it its correct position within world space(so a shirt will be floating in its position, instead of at 0,0,0)

Its completely possible, my only question is about the max polycount. IS there one? if so, how do i find it/them. I'm looking forward to starting this project.

Any other experienced modelers are welcome to join the project.

Team:
KAZECoyote
Spex130
DSX8

Bases:
Pit(wip)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38206781/pitbasewip2.png)


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Gamma Ridley on November 08, 2011, 08:23:58 PM
Alright, now that all that messy business is sorted out, I would like to wish you the best of luck on this. It would be nice to spruce up existing characters with accessories and the like.

As far as the polycount... there is a limit, but I don't remember the exact number. /:


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 08, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
thanks. once i figure it out, it should be smooth sailing.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Spex130 on November 08, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
So wait. You're saying that you'll take one specific body part, then rig it to one specific bone, right?

Then you can take a base boneset, then import a bunch of body parts prerigged to a certain bone(or bones.) so you can make a custom(ish) character, right?


Or is it more like an Accessory adder? Because that's cool too.


Either way, I support this! Count me in if you need some body part submissions!


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 08, 2011, 09:34:13 PM
Yes, the first one. though, we can do accessories for pre-existing characters also. I need as much help as I could get. we should start with concepts.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Spex130 on November 08, 2011, 09:35:51 PM
Alright! Would you like some drawings? Or will just ideas do?

Also, will all of this be simply original, or will you add accessories and the like found online?


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 08, 2011, 09:38:26 PM
Drawings or ideas will do. I'd like for it all to be original. but you can use stuff online for reference, just not ripped pieces from other models. But, you can modify parts already in brawl.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: hyo on November 08, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
Sigh.....my team is making a Mii creator, but this is awesome bcuz ithe characters will look kewl!


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 08, 2011, 09:42:33 PM
oh? then best of luck to your team!


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: hyo on November 08, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
Thanks! We recently released Roxas! :D


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Spex130 on November 08, 2011, 10:43:10 PM
Alright then. How about a few sets of civilian clothes for, say....

Pit? Is that good?



Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: TokoyamiTheDark on November 09, 2011, 07:50:53 AM
You guys know what? This is EXACTLY what I do to get T-stanced models. As a result, the shoulders are often odd-looking, but who cares? As long as the model is good and plays fine, then everything is OK.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Christian_CAO on November 09, 2011, 08:09:09 AM
 :happy: I wondered what happened to this. It was missing in action this morning. This sounds great.

I'm sure everything will turn out fantastic with the tools available. Totally probable and possible  ;)

◕ ヮ ◕ full support. Best of luck in this endeavor


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: RAWRzilla on November 09, 2011, 10:05:10 AM
I actually had this idea early last week. I made an attempt to attach Kirby's Plasma hat (from the trophy) to a green Kirby. I failed spectacularly at it, but its definitely something that can be done now. :)


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 09, 2011, 07:53:33 PM
Pits base model is done, uving soon.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38206781/pitbasewip.png)

We're going to have to sacrifice facial expressions for space, hope you'all are ok with that.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Spex130 on November 09, 2011, 08:50:00 PM
Looks great! Sounds fine!

Is there going to just be one texture for the entire body? Or will there be multiple parts for multiple textures?


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 09, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
Thanks, each part will have its own texture.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: hyo on November 09, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
Cool with that! :D
Is Marth gonna be one of em?


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Lillith on November 09, 2011, 11:13:08 PM
Facial expressions can't be seen most the time anyway XD
Also, +1 for Marth, and looks good thus far~


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: hyo on November 09, 2011, 11:16:49 PM
Facial expressions can't be seen most the time anyway XD
Also, +1 for Marth, and looks good thus far~
I think that if he does do marth, he should take out his girly tiarra.... :laugh:


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Lillith on November 09, 2011, 11:22:24 PM
Marth has the tiara for the reason, if you don't know what it is, you should probably try and find out :P


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 10, 2011, 05:47:24 AM
Marth will be done. His tiara counts as an accessory, so it wont be included in the base model.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: SonicBrawler on November 10, 2011, 06:06:12 AM
wait, so, u are sayin i could, liek take sonic's arms body and everyhting, put it together, then add link's hat and sword? is that basically what you are doing? if so, i support this fully


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Cascade Hellsing on November 10, 2011, 08:06:21 AM
wait, so, u are sayin i could, liek take sonic's arms body and everyhting, put it together, then add link's hat and sword? is that basically what you are doing? if so, i support this fully


Well you can already do that with the Importing.

I believe what he's doing will be kind of like this, http://www.charactercreator.net/anime-character-creator.html


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: hyo on November 10, 2011, 08:14:23 AM
Marth will be done. His tiara counts as an accessory, so it wont be included in the base model.
Yeah, thats what i meant. The bases themselves are supposed to resemble a character. The tiarra is like Marths signature accessory


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: spiritpyros on November 10, 2011, 09:14:23 AM
so wait basically you are taking body parts of every character


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 10, 2011, 09:57:01 AM
isolating body parts and making "equips" for them. you'all will have a better understanding when i'm done with Pit.

btw, Start posting your favorite weapon, clothing, armor, + designs from games you've played/like. we need to start concepts. Or post your own concepts if you want us to use them.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: nanobuds on November 10, 2011, 02:34:41 PM
you should do Helmet-less Samus over zero suit samus :P


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Gamma Ridley on November 10, 2011, 03:20:21 PM
you should do Helmet-less Samus over zero suit samus :P

I strongly approve of this.

But over normal Samus instead.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Ninka_kiwi on November 10, 2011, 03:22:38 PM
isolating body parts and making "equips" for them. you'all will have a better understanding when i'm done with Pit.

btw, Start posting your favorite weapon, clothing, armor, + designs from games you've played/like. we need to start concepts. Or post your own concepts if you want us to use them.


Favorite designs you say?
I'll post a few designs I guess.
(http://images.wikia.com/megamitensei/images/6/64/Chaoshero.jpg)
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110326143604/sengokubasara/images/thumb/b/b6/DateMasamune.png/397px-DateMasamune.png)
(http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/ryu-n-gaiden.jpg)
(http://www.digitaldevildb.com/images/gameart/digital_devil_saga/model/gale.jpg)
I'll try to come up with some other designs later, just thought I'd post some of the cool and original ones I've seen.
Also you could looks at the soul calibur character creator for more ideas.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: nanobuds on November 10, 2011, 03:24:11 PM
I strongly approve of this.

But over normal Samus instead.
maybe both?


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Allbait on November 10, 2011, 06:13:11 PM
<o< Could you use the MDL0's from MH3 as base ideas for some designs?
http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/MH3:_Gunner_Armors%2B
The gunner armors look better than blade IMO which is why its that link XD It wouldn't hurt to check out designs from other armors that were in other MH games :3 Those games also work in a similar layout that you pointed out in the OP so idk why I pointed out the obvious =P


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 10, 2011, 07:49:14 PM
Pit base update
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38206781/pitbasewip2.png)

Good references you guys.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: DSX8 on November 10, 2011, 07:50:44 PM
My idea is to model parts (tops, bottoms, shoes, gloves, weapons, heads, hair, and accessories) and distribute them to be placed together and rigged. They'll be done by body types like marth, link, pit, zelda, etc.

the models will be distributed as a .dae in an .rar with its corresponding texture. the models within the .dae will be placed it its correct position within world space(so a shirt will be floating in its position, instead of at 0,0,0)

Its completely possible, my only question is about the max polycount. IS there one? if so, how do i find it/them. I'm looking forward to starting this project.

Any other experienced modelers are welcome to join the project.

Team:
KAZECoyote
Spex130
im in on this... i have body models of SC4 "Create a Character" (both male and female) that ppl can use as a base


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Kazyx on November 10, 2011, 07:52:39 PM
Admittedly, I probably wouldn't be able to help out with any of this, but I highly approve of it. Just the thought of being able to mix and match clothing and other accessories is just mindblowing, especially in terms of SSB!

I wish you guys the best of luck on this project, and hope it gets to see the light of day.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 10, 2011, 08:23:13 PM
im in on this... i have body models of SC4 "Create a Character" (both male and female) that ppl can use as a base
They'll be useful, but we wouldn't be able to use them as bases because of file size. Welcome to the team


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: DSX8 on November 10, 2011, 08:28:10 PM
They'll be useful, but we wouldn't be able to use them as bases because of file size. Welcome to the team
true true.. but once i learn how to lower the polycount, then they'll be useful


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Bat Tom on November 10, 2011, 08:32:35 PM
You could look to the various Mega Man and Robotech games for robo-style custom parts. Oh, and Custom Robo and Gundam are givens :3


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Spex130 on November 10, 2011, 08:58:34 PM
Can we do Mix-And-Match parts for the N64 Custom Robos?

That was my next personal project anyway.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Mr.Misfortune on November 11, 2011, 04:23:09 PM
I hope these are some cool references too consider.

(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs32/PRE/f/2008/196/9/7/978c6ad48d9e0cae3761d65468ae8dc6.jpg)(http://outkaster77.deviantart.com/art/nue-268425750?q=boost%3Apopular%20meta%3Aall%20max_age%3A8h&qo=88)(http://baka-ouji.deviantart.com/art/Rain-knows-268454397?q=boost%3Apopular%20meta%3Aall%20max_age%3A8h&qo=250)(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs44/i/2009/103/4/b/Clothing_Studies_by_Robotpencil.jpg)

Also, will skin changing be an option in this character creator?


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Quicksilver on November 12, 2011, 05:10:59 PM
I agree with DSX8's comment. Having a standard muscular male and female base is essential. Pit can be used for younger custom characters


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on November 12, 2011, 07:27:50 PM
pit isn't the only base


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Soma on November 21, 2011, 03:26:01 AM
I uploaded the accessories from Castlevania Judgement a while back, maybe they could be of use? http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=18184 I haven't gotten them to work in game though, but then again I haven't really been able to put that much time into it....but either way good luck with this, I can't wait to see Marth :O


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: SSJ Is Clueless! on November 21, 2011, 07:44:33 AM
so what your saying in the Op is that you want make a character creator using already made parts then be able to put them on a character in brawlbox without it messing up right
(i think)


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Crashouti on November 26, 2011, 08:38:49 AM
Nice idea

It this like a application to create a character, choose costume and to place in the sd ? easily


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: FF7Frieza on November 26, 2011, 09:12:55 AM
Maybe some DBZ clothing?


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: WindyMage on November 26, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
I can't help with this, as I don't really know how... But I full support this project!


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: SonicUnderground316 on November 27, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
Pit base update
([url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38206781/pitbasewip2.png[/url])

Good references you guys.


I've always like the concept of customizing your character in game so i have to say that i support this project 100%. This project is ahead of its time literaly cause apperently, nintendo considered making  a Character Creator  for SSB4 XD . Anyway good luck with this project also will the Base model  of the chacter will include baldness, it would be nice !


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Ultraxwing on November 30, 2011, 12:36:42 PM
 I support this all the way =3

can't wait to make some awesome Peach stuffz =3

oh and i believe the poly limit is around 20K (that's the limit i would set up) maybe 25K. no more than than in my opinion.

i make models, (nothing good unless 8 months is put into it) and 26K with 4 of the same model on screen causes slight lag =/


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: KAZECoyote on December 02, 2011, 08:36:33 AM
Just to let you guys know i'm still alive. I'm juggling this project with school... that and i bought a few new games >.>

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38206781/pitbaseclotheswip1.png)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38206781/pitclothessketch.png)





Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Royal_Blade on December 02, 2011, 08:49:34 AM
That reminds me of the descender's outfit from Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology.

Also, you should use things from Kirby's copy abilities? Some provide hair Like Marth and Ike, but characters like Link/Peach/Mario only give Kirby hats. or extract Marth's Tiara or Ike's Bandana to use as well. So you could use those for your customization. And also articles of swords/bows/weapons as well.

Just some suggestions.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: GabbaGhoul on December 02, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
Intresting. Can't wait to see this finished.
Don't know that you could spruce up the face a bit; to make pit look a little less.... gay?
Since model importion has came out, there has been less vertexes. (Obviously)
Never once have I used a vertex for pit. Because frequently he will have his pompous lips, and chibi/girl eyes still.


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: Funzy <3 on December 02, 2011, 01:00:57 PM
This is a amazing Idea I actaul did something like this and put zero suits body on our Rikku :)


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: RisingStar on April 25, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Make Pit Like This XD
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/106/e/e/dat_playboy_by_virtuousnamine-d4wcnvv.png)


Title: Re: Character Creator
Post by: BriefCasey795 on April 25, 2012, 07:57:01 PM
Sounds cool. shouldn't we have miis? It would be cool to assemble your mii in 3ds max, then take it to brawl. Personally, some miis suit characters like Mario, Luigi, Toon Link, Ness, and Lucas.