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There has always been crud on the Vault. Always has been, always will be, but quite frankly, the influx of such bad hacks is so frequent that [censored]NoBrawlVault could end up making daily posts for years, five times a day. What am I implying? I am imply there is a dreadful lack of quality in the Vault these days.

Lemme show you two texture hacks.

Which is the quality hack? If you guessed the one on the left, then you know what some of us hope to expect.

Next we move onto Model Imports.

Which is the quality hack? If you guessed on the on the right. Then you should know better than doing what the

It is a completely half-assed rig. That is all there is to it., and the lack of block colors shows the person has some texturing potential on that Lucario texture, at the least.

There are noobs flooding the vault with pointless, unambitious, and overall plain bad hacks that set bad examples for the community as a whole.

This is tragically rude.

Sugarcoating is not something I'm good at.

It seems more like "Agree with my quality standards or you are stupid and tragic."

If a hack can successfully convey the ideas and images that it's trying to get people to see, then it's not a completely tragic failure.

Well, he's right to a large degree- Mods are getting uninteresting and kinda petty. Most of them are a "who cares?" thing. Like I've said, there's a significant lack of creativity needed these days.


Also, I thought that Lucario was the Masked Man for a second. Damn, I need to finish him! gettin to my head

I call something a completely tragic failure if it's below what I would consider acceptable. The Arceus hack is garishly below what I would consider acceptable. That's just being extremely lazy, and uncaring to boot. It's just fodder for the people who don't know any better. That Arceus doesn't even have any moving limbs. At all. The Giratina hack made by the same guy is just as bad, if not worse. That model wasn't even smoothed.

 It's like the importer didn't give a [censored] at all about what he was doing. If the models at least had some semblance of moving limbs in either of them, I would be more forgiving with my words.

-but those two hacks in particular are just the butt-ass fugly low of hack quality, the Giratina one in particular. The Lucario Photo Negative texture I showed I am more forgiving about only because my main field of hacking is texturing, and I myself have made simple recolors before, but the Aura Glow (I think it's name is) is a higher quality hack that shows creative thinking. For me, when it comes to textures. Anything that is a mere block color is unacceptable, with some special exceptions under certain conditions.

I agree with you Vel, i cant stand how there are only a few good mods out these days. Its like i have to import everthing i want in brawl because someone has done the stuff on my to do list but its an awful import and i cant live with a bad import. Thats why i have 150 imports on my to-do-list. Because people cant get it right! >=(

This is exactly why i want to make a model rigging tutorial, so there wont be anymore half-assed imports.

I am at the point where i only download imports from people i know who do a good job, like nanobuds, starwaffle, etc.

uninteresting = one bone import without metal, fs eyes, expressions, unsmoothed
interesting = full rig with fingers rigged, expressions, moving eyes, new texture, etc.

Yea. I have noticed a decline in quality hacks lately. I, honestly, think that that LST and IST have the best hacks right now, seeing as how they actually care for their hacks.
Don't forget, if needed, a sexy shine.

About the shines. I think people should try making their own shine textures.

I only DL stuff from some of the members of LST. It's been a long time since I've had any interest in lurking the Vault for new hacks. Most are [censored]ty imports, really [censored]ty imports. So I stick to old Vertexes / New imports from some of LST, and seldom ones from other hackers.

I agree... I'm really picky about hacks I download.
I'll only use my own mods and download from consistently good modders, really.


Fully agree with everything you just said.

Some things are easy to do and/or are just things that should always be done (like smoothing the model) and yet they aren't done and are still uploaded to the vault.

And it also seems like people literally just get models and throw them in the game and say the character has been imported.
And yet the import looks completely lifeless.

I like to use imports that look like they're alive and actually fighting for a cause. :O


I have :vyse:

It especially should disappoint you, after all that work on the new brawlbox only a handful of modders use it to its good full potential. People dont even appreciate all the work that was put into it.

Adding stuff like moving eyes and shine isnt even hard and it makes the character come to life, the sickest rigs are the one bone ones or the ones with bad bone alignment and no use of the magic blend tool.


Only LST? you obviously have never tried one of Nanobud's imports.


exactly why i used your/nano's metal sonic shine texture on one of my recent mods. That brawl one is pretty bad.


yes, forgot about that. Shine textures make a nice difference, imagine Metal Sonic, Arbiter or Iron Man without it.

Seeing this almost makes me afraid to upload anymore hacks to be honest.

Your colors are pretty good for being color blind. The main thing about them is the color changes are mostly block colors. You could fix that very simply if you use a program with layers like Photoshop or Paint.NET, or GIMP.

Ok. Thank you. I'm glad that you gave me some positive feed back. And I will do what I can to make my stuff look better.

Here's a tip: Blend Mode: Color.

I will definatley fix these mistakes. LOL as I upload my latest hack

I dunno what's worse, the fact there are [censored]ty hacks being uploaded even more, or the fact that retards actually look at those [censored]ty uploads as "quality" and "effort".

Anyone else noticed that "brawl styled" = desaturing the texture now. :srs:

Pik, StarWaffle and Beyond actually do brawl stylization right.

and Dot/ItalianStallion too

Yeah. I do agree that the quality has gone down by a lot. That's one reason why I just don't have the will to PSA anymore. Because I know that it's going to be flushed away by low quality submissions. And all that time and effort will be meaningless.

I don't care about downloads, it's mainly credit that I would like or to have people enjoy my work and give recognition. Most new people don't even know that I'm a PSA maker. Or if they do, they only give me credit for my half assed Silver PSA which saps away my interest.

People wanting an overly popular character, regardless of quality (ex: Shadow) while ignoring less popular characters that have decent quality also saps my interest.

The last PSA that I started on that is almost complete began more than a month ago. I keep saying that I'll make more characters and finish up current characters, but I just end up losing interest and putting the project on hold. I just wish I could find that spark that made me want to PSA in the first place again.

Don't make this into a tragic situation. Your greatest critic is yourself. If you are pleased with what you are making, then you shouldn't give a damn about what anyone else thinks.

Don't forget Velen and Johnlcb too.

Well I know my hacks are from the best. I would consider them DECENT at best but when I saw that Arceus in the "Most Popular Hack" section I was actually hyped. So I clicked on it and I saw the photos and I was like c'mon maaan WTF is this sh1t? Just by the pictures you could clearly see that this guy just slapped the Arceus model over Lucario and called it a day. He did the same with Giratina as well.

I'm guessing it got so many downloads because people who DON'T hack brawl cannot tell when a model is properly imported over another character correctly from photos.
Perfect example:
There's a Cubone over Squirtal hack
In the preview pictures Cubone is T posing in ALL of them
that has 530 downloads, REALLY?

Seems legit. Looking at that brawl style'd Flamedramon of my already terrible texture. :v

Question is... How can we improve the vault??

This may sound absurd but.......maybe the vault could be divided into 2 sections for hacks? like one section for the advance hackers and once section for the inexperienced hackers? idk.....

Separate but equal never works.

Those two sections already exist, they're called "Brawl Vault" and "Recycle Bin". People are just doing a bad job at throwing things in the second list.

Dude, that's like... segregation :p I see where you're coming from, but people would feel bad if their stuff was put into the "mediocre" section.

I think there should be maybe a quality control person?

This a thousand times over. Why do you think we did away with that doctrine here in the US years ago?

Cause it didn't work, of course.

So the BV staff sucks at their job now?

We sometimes cry because of the kind of stuff we have to approve. :'(
There's nothing we can do to stop them when they are not breaking any rules.

Fair enough but......Idk because a quality control person seems a bit risky. Considering people have different opinions on different hacks. Example, that Arceus hack may be deemed as "AWSOME" to some people and its getting alot of downloads, but to more expirenced hackers it seems crappy due to lack of animation and stuff.....

How about a quality control GROUP?

No, because that would be limiting on people's "right" to submit hacks.

Personally I don't see how the quality has dropped.  There have always been [censored]ty hacks.  It's not that quality has dropped, it's that it's easier than ever to make good mods and as a result there is less of a reason for them to be [censored].  

Another problem with the two Brawl Vault sections is that no one would visit the [censored]ty section. It'd literally be a "DO NOT ENTER" sorta deal.

In comment to an approval/disapproval system, think about all of the sites that do work like that. Even if something is technically following the rules, it can still be disapproved if it sucks enough ass. I think it works out fine- Even tell the person why their mod was disapproved, that way they can work on fixing it. Hopefully, they'll re-submit it and get it approved.

Notice how I said "people" and not "staff".

Notice how you're overreacting.

I actually like that idea you just suggested. Maybe the people approving the hack could also give it a # rating that's posted next to the hack to inform the down loaders and the creator about the quality of the hack. However the hack would still have to get through the GENERAL judgement just to see if it gets put on the vault first. Then the rating would be for after that. So the rating would start at like 5 and go to 10. There would be no 0-4 because every hack that's approved would be at least DECENT which would be about a 5.
 But then again like SJS said, that's restricting submition rights sooo......

Alternate solution: even out the [censored]ty hacks by releasing a ton of good hacks

Okay, get to work guys.

I agree. There have been a lack of decent hacks recently.
We have plenty imports imo, but we lack more good stages and PSAs(SDo0m D: D: D:).

This idea has been posed so many times.  It's never going to happen.

There doesn't seem to be many stage hackers in general actually. There's like 3 stage releases every 10 character/PSA releases. And only like 1-2 of the 3 are even good most of the time.

This is incredibly rude and uncalled for.  Seriously, I'm not sure what motivated you to post this Velen, but it certainly illustrates your true colors. Was your first hack the [censored]ing mona lisa? No, it was this piece of [censored] (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=3674).  Did you ever consider that people's first works aren't going to be the best in the world? That there's a learning curve to all of this, and that to get better, you have to start somewhere? How terribly near-sighted and elitist of you.  There's a pretty simple method to not having to deal with low quality hacks: Don't [censored]ing download them, sort by download count, search by artist or team. Download count generally reflects quality of a hack.  There are other methods, such as rating, featured, or staff picks, that can be observed in the google play store or the App store, but that's a different matter.  Have you ever [censored]ing searched for music you like before? It isn't rocket science.  You have no right to get mad at the community in general for something you deem as A LACK OF QUALITY.  Did you ever consider what you deem to be a quality hack is different from what someone else thinks?  And lets face it, you're probably prone to have an unpopular opinion anyways.  You have no [censored]ing grounds to stand on. You're being a giant man baby.


This is what this kind of post elicits. People like you stifle creativity and progress. Feedback is important in the community because it catalyzes creativity and progress. This is not feedback.  This is being a genuine [censored].  You aren't worth the bytes of data your OP consists of. [censored] you.

EDIT: added OP quote

Lmao I figured that much, but I was just trying to build of Piks ideas i guess

As much as I hate to say it I agree with Noah, we'd just be like the P:M community except not turning Brawl into Melee.

I suppose he IS right however. This website isn't for the BEST hackers. It's for everyone who wants to upload their works of art.....

If you want to see good hacks constantly being uploaded I guess you would have to join a good team and go to there website and see them there.

Noah is right, nobody starts with something perfect.

Agreed with just about everything besides this. More often than not, I see hacks downloaded simply because there is a name attached to it, not because the actual hack was done properly. And there are multiple people who get downloads simply because some know their name and don't really care about quality.

Also, as it's been pointed out, there's just no way to implement some sort of "quality control." You can't deny someone the right to upload their stuff simply because it's a disgusting heap of a lazy import. Just look at the preview pics (assuming they provided some, which in most instances is not the case >_>) and if you don't like what you see, move on. Simple as that.

I myself haven't downloaded anything for just about the past few weeks or so simply because nothing released lately is of any interest to me. It's sad and all that junk, but whatever. I'm not complaining because this is a website dedicated to modding a video game involving Nintendo characters, so it's not as though any of this really matters in the long haul.

Lastly, I'm surprised this even made it to page 4.

@NaOH. I agree with you. This is just seriously.... lame. Some people on this board just seem like major [censored]s.

To be perfectly honest, there have been a few reasons why I haven't been making any.

1) They take too long to get to a standard that I want
2) This year is my final year at school and it's a busy one.  
3) Whatever time I have for modding/animating is usually dedicated to Project:M
4) Lack of motivation to make movesets.  Especially once I get past the animation stage and move onto the PSA part.  It just starts getting rather tedious from there, particularly having to deal with any glitches that are bound to crop up.  That's kind of what I'm enjoying about focusing on P:M stuff.  I know I don't have to PSA much at all since better coders will do it.


I'd have to agree with this as well.  Even the best start rather lowly.  But what makes the best stand out his how they learn from their initial efforts and how they strive to improve, as well as demonstrating from their initial works that they are willing to invest some time into trying to make something awesome.  

Well said Gamma

Now that I think of it......Why are we still even talking about this?
Bottom line (since we can't change the submition rules)
If you see a hack you don't like.......Just don't download it and move on.....

That's certainly true; the same thing occurs with certain characters that have a popularity, like shadow.
QFT. It does elicit a negative response though, he was undoubtedly just trying to get a rise out of people.

I'm kinda surprised that it got this far as well. I think it was only up to page two last night.

I figured this topic would've been modded a while ago.  It just seems like total flamebait.  Whatever.

But yeah, I agree that not everyone can or should be expected to make hacks that could be called works of art.  It'd be great if they did, but that's unrealistic.  A more realistic (and helpful) expectation would be that everyone here should be accepting and helpful to newer members of the community who want to become better Brawl hackers but don't quite know how.  That's more productive than saying "All these hacks blow!"

And why would this topic have any need of being moderated? So far, it looks clean, aside from Noah's reponse to Velen's OP (Which called for it, as it was a straight punch in the face to those modders), where both are clearly being straight forward. So long as there's no splicit insults and everything is about hacks and their quality, it should be fine.

Well, I just based that off of the title and the OP.  It seemed like the kind of topic that would be full of moddable things.  Maybe I've spent too much time on other boards were people aren't as friendly to each other.

I agree with the OP in a lot of ways. This is actually a very large percentage of the reason why I've more or less dedicated the majority of my vault to textures, since I too feel the same lack in the vault... But I've only been on on this site for 3 months, so by comparison, my stuff is pretty insignificant to the vault in numbers. I hope a lot of others get the same idea as far as improving the vault.

Also, I completely agree with Noah's point about downloads reflecting quality.

If I made a few topics calling out a few specific brawl vault submissions and saying how fugly they were and how much they sucked, there wouldn't be a problem?

If you put it that way, I agree he was rude in the OP, yes, just as rude as you were on your reply to him. So I'd either go for both of you or just let it go and actually ask you both to not turn this into a flame war.

I admit to being rude in the OP. I will not however change my stance just because it gets someone got their panties in a bunch over it. <_<

That's hypothetical, I wouldn't have been able to respond if it was locked/removed immediately.  It's a sad call for attention and it's looking for trouble.
We've established that