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Title: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on February 24, 2010, 10:06:48 PM
 :srs:

Okay, I'm going to try to get Slippy, Rob 64, Tricky, and Krystal into smash bros. This will be my first attempt at doing anything with BrawlBox (besides texturing). So my question to you folks is: Where can I get the trophy pac's for these characters? Is there a download I can get somewhere or must I get them off the disc myself? I have a SSBB ISO on my computer just let me get some instructions please!

I just need the trophies, everything else I can probably solve myself.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Pik on February 25, 2010, 08:07:54 AM
They're located under data > toy.

You could just import them from Assault or Adventures though, because trophies usually don't have any assigned bones.






Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: LookItsLink on February 25, 2010, 08:45:34 AM
The Adventures one would have too many polygons I think, plus all the hair.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Varia on February 25, 2010, 09:11:13 AM
This would be awesome if you did it. :yay:


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: VILE on February 26, 2010, 01:48:29 AM
Trophies have 1 bone.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: TheZac268™ on February 26, 2010, 02:44:20 PM
If you want to download any trophy models then check here.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bf68243dc4c908b28d78a0e5552916095d6170349cac00195be6ba49b5870170

Directory being>>
Data Partition/Toy/fig/
and just look through the bunch of pages for the character trophies you want.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on February 26, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Porting them from assault is probably the best decision huh? I guess I should get to work :D

@thezac268

thanks for the link btw, (even though I can't really use them, I'll have some fun)


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on February 28, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
i thought about this... why not vertex hack fox to be more feminine? its only on one space, plus you dont have to rewrite all of his animations and make a PSA for him, it could just be Krystal with Fox's moveset..

btw i REALLY want the models from both Adventures and Assault, ALL OF EM!!!
if someone could PM me a link on how to get them, or on how to extract them (i have both original games on official "small ass" disks)

and yeah trophies are slim to useless on this... its a shame, mewtwo is right there...


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: nuclear432 on February 28, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
You can replace the models but they won't do a thing,'cus they only have a cloupla bones.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on February 28, 2010, 10:09:09 PM
Well, I have the Assault and adventures on my pc, umm adventures might be a little hard because of the fur. I don't know, I guess I will do assault first. I also have a good feeling that Krystal is the most anticipated. Hmm... I wonder why.

Well whatever I guess I should get to work soon. I always thought Krystal could be Marth. I don't know why but I think that Krystal should have her staff no? Or I could use Fox. lol

nuclear432 you have many big hands.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: lYIaXeD OuT on February 28, 2010, 10:16:42 PM
ok I just had to say this but YOU HAVE THE BEST PROFILE PICTURE or shall i say profile OWND. HAHA nice clip


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on February 28, 2010, 10:27:20 PM
ok I just had to say this but YOU HAVE THE BEST PROFILE PICTURE or shall i say profile OWND. HAHA nice clip

Lol thanks :D


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on February 28, 2010, 10:40:08 PM
@Super Hax i agree! why, BECAUSE IT HAS FOX IN IT!!!!
and yes, i would like to see krystal in brawl very much XD
they have all the other awesome chars in there, why not krystal too?

btw super hax, you might wanna shrink your sig just a little... the mods might get mad..


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Pik on February 28, 2010, 11:11:56 PM
POOR ZHU
POOR ZHU
WOMBO COMBO


...THAT A'INT FALCO!


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on February 28, 2010, 11:22:14 PM
Okay, I'm in a bit of a pickle.

I got a .obj file of krystal and I read somewhere you can convert it to a .x file and then a MDL0 file. I managed to convert it to .x, but I can't seen to find a .x to MDL0 converter anywhere!

Am I doing something wrong? Let me know.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: dingo on March 01, 2010, 06:51:43 AM
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=265234

You should be able to add bones with that. then she'll work.

Don't know whats more work.

Adding bones or vertex hack fox.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 01, 2010, 09:32:08 AM
[url]http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=265234[/url]

You should be able to add bones with that. then she'll work.

Don't know whats more work.

Adding bones or vertex hack fox.


one problem with the bones thing, how will we get her to move? We can't UV map bones yet.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: dingo on March 01, 2010, 10:21:21 AM
didnt know that. i guess a vertex hack on fox is the only way to go then. there isnt any other solution at the moment


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on March 01, 2010, 01:29:42 PM
How can I get a .obj file to convert into a MDL0 File? I got 3D Object Converter 4.40 and I read somewhere you can convert it to .x then to MDL0, But I can't get the .x to become a MDL0. Anybody know of any converters? I really want this model hacking thing to work guys!


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 01, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
the only hard parts will be Fox's face (making it look feminine) and his jacket (good luck on that) I'd rather wait until the model converter is out.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 01, 2010, 10:35:29 PM
i really wouldnt mind keeping her with a jacket, yeah go for making her face a little more feminine, give it some female "touches" and there you go..

i think the most pain in the ass thing about model hacking is you have to make a moveset with it, right?

saw bigsharkz Zero overtop link, looks like [censored]... not to mention its hacking over my favorite nintendo char (other than fox of course :D, i suck major ass with link though...)


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 01, 2010, 11:42:21 PM
i really wouldnt mind keeping her with a jacket, yeah go for making her face a little more feminine, give it some female "touches" and there you go..

i think the most pain in the ass thing about model hacking is you have to make a moveset with it, right?

saw bigsharkz Zero overtop link, looks like [censored]... not to mention its hacking over my favorite nintendo char (other than fox of course :D, i suck major ass with link though...)

The Zero doesn't look like [censored] IMO, well since I'm a part of it and making aimations for it it should make sense. I'm much better with toon link anyway.

But I grew bored with adding zero into the game, now krystal I'll be much more enthusiastic about since I wanted her in from the beginning. U here that markie? If ya need help with animations once someone or u puts her in game, I'll happily volunteer my services, heck I may even try vertex hacking fox myself.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 02, 2010, 12:12:21 PM
@fireking, well i didnt mean it LOOKED like [censored], there were no animations and was in his T-pose 90% of the video, so yeah sorry if this sounds harsh, but hes not good right now...
im just stating for the most part, he needs alot of work... and Bigsharkz tends to start things and never finish them....

he dropped mewtwo like a hat when he realized zero could be done... lets hope somebody picks up the project... how bout that pokemon park thingy, you think he could be pulled from there?


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 02, 2010, 01:04:54 PM
@fireking, well i didnt mean it LOOKED like [censored], there were no animations and was in his T-pose 90% of the video, so yeah sorry if this sounds harsh, but hes not good right now...
im just stating for the most part, he needs alot of work... and Bigsharkz tends to start things and never finish them....

he dropped mewtwo like a hat when he realized zero could be done... lets hope somebody picks up the project... how bout that pokemon park thingy, you think he could be pulled from there?

well sadly, mewtwo isnt in pokepark (I know sad isnt it) Although when I am on Msn chatting with him he has like 12 brawlbox windows open up so he probably hasnt abandoned them all but he needs to work on one thing at a time.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 02, 2010, 01:27:50 PM
@fireking, wow 12? holy [censored]! 0_0

totally agree, he needs to work on one at a time...

and DAMMIT.. well i guess well have to wait for a format converter letting us use melee...
*im semi patient...*

btw i didnt mean to offend anybody with my last post... zero is just very much in beta...
not that i have ever been a fan of megaman anyway...


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: dingo on March 02, 2010, 01:50:26 PM
I wanna play Zero when he's released but I'm not looking forward to sacrificing my main for one of my favorite capcom characters.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: ItalianStallion on March 02, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
oh just another conversation thread? no actual job done or anything dam.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on March 02, 2010, 03:15:32 PM
.obj to .mdl0 guys, that all I need right now.

For now im playing/working on Krystals Trophy. By the end of the day I should have her playable as just a motionless trophy over Fox of course but she's just going to be standing there striking a pose.

[url]http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=265234[/url]

You should be able to add bones with that. then she'll work.

Don't know whats more work.

Adding bones or vertex hack fox.


How do I vertex hack? is it hard? I'm up for a challenge so bring it!



Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 02, 2010, 03:20:01 PM
obj to mdlo doesnt work, the converter isnt out yet and I doubt it will deal with .obj files


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 02, 2010, 05:20:38 PM
and yes makie, it is hard, go look up dasdonkey vertex box if u wanna no how.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on March 03, 2010, 03:43:59 PM
Motionless Krystal is now in brawl. I think lol just got to test :D

Also going to go into dasdonkey vertex box-ing

wwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeee!!!


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 03, 2010, 06:45:45 PM
if u need an animator once u vertex hack fox to look like krystal ill be happy to help.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 04, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
hopefully this will work out, cant wait to try it out, especially seeing as this kind of thing will only take up one slot, really i dont care if she has an independant moveset or not, i just want to see her in brawl XD

not motionless of course.. but i dont want to go changing fox around, seeing as hes my main..


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 05, 2010, 01:25:29 AM
well it is be possible to replace that model over another character (like wolf :P) and esecially have 2 foxs with the same base model but different animations and PSA. U wouldn't have to do a thing to fox (hes one of my mains as well)


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 05, 2010, 01:54:40 PM
i dont think anyone wants to get rid of wolf either... or at least i dont...

i guess you could hack over the female alloy.. but does that mess with zero suit??


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on March 05, 2010, 02:37:35 PM
i dont think anyone wants to get rid of wolf either... or at least i dont...

i guess you could hack over the female alloy.. but does that mess with zero suit??

I don't think so, but that does sound like a much easier way of putting her in!


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 05, 2010, 05:14:19 PM
I wanna get rid of wolf, I dont hate him or anything its just that Krystal should've been in Brawl anyway, her staff could've lead to a lot more possibilties and she would have made her a lot more diverse as a character. If u wanna have her use B moves, dodge, grad ledges, and have a FS then dont put her over an alloy


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: dingo on March 05, 2010, 09:46:42 PM
I wanna get rid of wolf, I dont hate him or anything its just that Krystal should've been in Brawl anyway, her staff could've lead to a lot more possibilties and she would have made her a lot more diverse as a character. If u wanna have her use B moves, dodge, grad ledges, and have a FS then dont put her over an alloy

I haven't looked into Alloys enough to know better, but if you give an alloy an animation that automatically takes effect based on the name of the animation, will it work? Like giving an alloy CliffCatch and CliffWait (ledge grab animations). Those just happen without any coding. I may be wrong in assuming all this though.

The dodges may possibly be made in PSA by calling up different animations when pressing directions while shielding. I may just be stupid in assuming all this though.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 06, 2010, 03:01:55 AM
I wanna get rid of wolf, I dont hate him or anything its just that Krystal should've been in Brawl anyway, her staff could've lead to a lot more possibilties and she would have made her a lot more diverse as a character. If u wanna have her use B moves, dodge, grad ledges, and have a FS then dont put her over an alloy
I haven't looked into Alloys enough to know better, but if you give an alloy an animation that automatically takes effect based on the name of the animation, will it work? Like giving an alloy CliffCatch and CliffWait (ledge grab animations). Those just happen without any coding. I may be wrong in assuming all this though.

The dodges may possibly be made in PSA by calling up different animations when pressing directions while shielding. I may just be stupid in assuming all this though.

nope all wrong, Alloys dont have the coding in their files to grab ledges or the actual animation itself. Heck they dont even have the coding that links animations to their repsective part in their PSA file.

Dodges, same exact reason.

And no we cant replace another character that cant do all those things with a character who can (file size issues), i can sense that was the next question.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: dingo on March 06, 2010, 03:30:04 AM
Nah I was curious that's all. I don't know jack about the alloys. Just that they can have buggy B moves. Like I said at the end of my last post. Just stupid assumptions. I wanna see Kyrstal in brawl though.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 07, 2010, 12:00:36 AM
well yeah than that route sound like it sucks then... well.. what about olimar? apparently people have had a lot of success replacing olimar... or at least, thats what ive HEARD.. maybe i missinterpreted?

but yeah, model replacement just sounds like one big pain in the ass... again i say just do the some vertex over fox.. i mean they did it with ike for cloud, and his moveset didnt have to change to make him look right, and he doesnt go into his t-pose or anything...

of course the thing with zero suit, DK and Lucario was kind of odd.. idk, it all depends on the one who is ready willing and able to proceed with this project... of course the guy who started this post didnt say he knew how to do either one...

guess all i can do is wait patiently...


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Scootaloo on March 07, 2010, 12:01:00 PM
well he could vertex hack fox and place the vertexed model over olimar then replace olimars motion file and psa pac file with foxes


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 07, 2010, 03:20:25 PM
 a little off topic, but can you do this with pokemon trainer? i wanna be able to play with Charizard, Lucario, and pikachu! instead of Ivysaur and squirtle...

how difficult would that be? i could see using the mushroom grow animation when they switch, and of course pikachu and lucario would loose their orininal down B moves...

But DAMMIT i want this! if its too off topic, i started a new topic in the help section about it..

and btw, that definately seems to be the best option fireking... but will it work?


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: The Man on March 13, 2010, 09:45:14 PM
Oops, sorry for not posting in a while, I had ACT's lately and been caught up over it. Well I though I might do this for the lolz, but an actual krystal is still making her way in. This is time consuming!

The model is an arwing so one day you will be playing brawl and Krystal will come flying in out of nowhere and start shooting lazers with her feet!

(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/68e05767d0c4f1388ab30715cb8d49d72g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=yxyjnwkikoy&thumb=5)(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/dabe90e37f7fb10156270213f6e97c012g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=jvjk1yjzmwy&thumb=5)
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4a8e05b606cf8c09da6d05b9bd7078042g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=5mgliign4yl&thumb=5)(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/5fd51b96406a33c706cd0ac95dc7faab2g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=okgzzevuodz&thumb=5)


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 13, 2010, 10:49:49 PM
@markie, LOLWUT?


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: dingo on March 15, 2010, 03:45:09 AM
@CR4CK3RW0LF

Lucario is too big to replace a Poke Trainer pokemon. All the poke trainer things have small limits.


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: ShadowSnake on March 15, 2010, 03:32:38 PM
Motionless Krystal is now in brawl. I think lol just got to test :D

Also going to go into dasdonkey vertex box-ing

wwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeee!!!


you made Krystal playable? can you PLZ give me a Download Link? (i might be able to help with the animations!)


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: ShadowSnake on March 15, 2010, 03:44:50 PM
oh, never mind you cant do it with a trophy. Vertexing or importing the one from assault or adventures is the only way to do it then. (I'll still help u with animations, stock icons, menu icons, textures, Etc. if your interested.)


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on March 16, 2010, 10:17:20 AM
@hardcorebrawlhacks, you do animations? CAN YOU DO SOMETHING FOR ME?? ill pm you about it XD


Title: Re: Fack it, I want Krystal in brawl.
Post by: MaylkleemX on June 11, 2010, 12:10:11 PM
Maybe this can help: http://krystalarchive.com/3d/
Includes many different versions of Krystal, even a rip straight from StarFox: Assault