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Hey guys,

 I want to move Mewtwo SFX Moveset over Wario which the download comes with the Sawnd file for over Lucario.

   With Sawnd File, it's harder for me to come up with a way to modify because I'm usually quite familiar with  Wave file using Sawndz 012 and Super Sawndz  which I canreplace over any character I want to.

I don't want to use Soundbank Code because that would mean having the same sfx would   also affect whatever I have over Lucario.

I also want to port Naruto SFX over Game& Watch which it also comes with Sawnd File for over Ike.

I'm looking through some tutorial  or any  methods of how people swap  sfx hack but I can't really find what I'm looking for.

Is there anyone  with experience who have been swap sfx could help me out??  Thanks

Hmm, as I said before, I'm pretty useless for this stuff, but instead I could recommend someone you could ask, because he's the person I'd ask if I were to try to find out for you. Look up shock44 (http://www.youtube.com/user/shock44) on youtube. Out of everyone I know, I know he knows stuff about super sawndz (I think it's super sawndz) and other stuff sfx-related.

To use Wario's Sound Bank, you will have to open PSA. Each sound is given an ID, an ID that is called if there is a sound when doing X action (Walk, Side Smash, Jump, etc). Every sound the character makes is summoned from the PSA. So what you will need to do is:

Recognize the ID of the original sounds over Lucario.

Replace Wario's sounds with Mewtwo's manually.

Make a table to know the ID of every sound in comparison to Lucario's.

Open FitWario.pac (Mewtwo's) on PSA and start changing the old sound ID for the new sound ID on Wario.

Ok thanks, I'll try asking him hopefully he know something that I'm looking for

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Post Merge: October 18, 2013, 01:31:45 PM

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Ok I understand that I need to find the Id sfx of the PSA Moveset to replace with but how can I replace it if this sfx is made of sawnd file??

I mean sure I can check through super sawndz using sawnd file to view every mewtwo sfx when compare to original lucario sfx moveset but I can't use sawnd file because there's no way to open up or to export something  if I want to change id.

Which program do I have to open PSA ( FitWario).  Do you mean Brawlbox??  If so how can I replace if it's only for model, texture, contructing joints,  and animation?  

>Get the smashsound.brsar.
>Insert the sawnd file with Sawndz.
>Export the sounds from this smashsound.brsar with the Mewtwo sounds, one by one, either using BrawlBox or Super Sawndz.

You'll have to edit the Mewtwo PSA (FitWario.pac) with either PSA or BrawlBox and change all the IDs to fit the IDs on Wario.
You can use BrawlBox to edit PSAs, but you'll need an older build, can't recall which. I'd strongly advise you just go and download PSA (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=53473.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=53473.0)) and edit them with it.

So, in resume, you need to export every Mewtwo sound from Lucario on the smashsound.brsar, replace Wario's sounds with them, save which ID belonged to what, and simply open up the FitWario.pac on PSA and change the ID to the new ones.

Thank you so much, I finally get it, which I never thought of  using Brsar to export wave file and then insert the wave in sawndz012 to match the sfx ID.  Took me a while to get this answer lol

I never use PSA before so I wouldn't really know how to use it but I get what're you saying if I have to change SFX ID for fit(Wario).pac  which i was surprise that I never knew that short term " PSA" stands for Project Smash Attack. XD

Now I can finally know which category tutorial if I want to start off because I believe there were none for using PSA to change SFX ID under SFX Tutorial

I have one more question though

Someone told me that Mr. GameWatch  has no voice clips or at least its sounds are too short to make an sfx over them  if I want to replace it.

So is there more than to it???

I had the feeling you were confused, hence why I linked you to what I referred to as PSA. :P
Yeah, it's pretty easy:

1> Open PSA.
2> Click "File>Open" then select the PSA you want to edit.
3> Click "Sub Actions"

Now, here, it'll start on Sub Action "0". Each Sub Action is a procedure, and most are linked to an Animation (Sub Action "0" is usually linked to the Animation Wait1, meaning every code in this Sub Action happens while you are in Wait1).

Knowing this, you just need to go on "SFX" in the "Event List" (This is below the Sub Action "0") and see if it calls a sound or not.

Sounds are called with "Sound Effect" and other things. You'll find that Sub Action E (Dash?) calls several sounds from the PSA. The number next to "Sound Effect: " (Ex. "Sound Effect: 1216") is the Sound ID.

To change it, just right click "Sound Effect", then click "Sound Effect" in the tab that pops up, and edit the value to the right (which would be 00001216 in this case we are using). You'll just need to change the value for the new one, and keeping the numbers on 8 (Say, the ID has 5 digits: 12345, the value to input here would be "00012345", which makes 8 numbers in total).

Now... This is the hard/tricky part. To identify the ID, you will need to know what sound you are replacing. The ID in PSA isn't stored in the smash_sound.brsar, so you'll need to figure out what ID calls what sound by either adding Sound calls on Animations like Walk/Crouch, and go in-game to see what the ID calls when you Walk or Crouch, and take note. I am not sure if the IDs for each sound are documented somewhere, but if it turns out you have to do it yourself, this is the way.

I believe that is the case. His sounds are pretty small, and the file size is adjusted so you can't go over much from its original size.

Can you tell me more about "Value" because I don't really understand why we must keep to 8 digit by adding "0"  or is to match other characters sound value??

Also, when I type on the certain code in the Sub Action, sometime it has more than One sound effect. Do I leave it as is or do I have to modify one of them or all???

Last question: Since the sfx wav file was already  set in order by a person when I download the  Mewtwo Sawnd file and export all to wav, does all characters have the same categorization  moveset in  arrangement with all the sfx set up .  

If so, then I don't have to through all the trouble in identifying the id by guessing which is the right moveset for the sfx??  

Like for example what if all wav 0 is wait animation ?

Some moves call more than a sound (Ex. A yell / sword swing for Link's Fsmash)

As for Value. The Sound Effect Number will show up without 0s in front, but in the window where you put the actual number, it has the 0s. Just keep it that way.

You can make sure by listening to it on BrawlBox/Sawndz, and then be 100% certain by listening in-game. It should be easy from there on, if so..

Alright thank you so much for the tutorials.

I have only one more question and thats Final i swear, is there index for me to know the animation controls like just now i know that Nspecial is neutral B but I don't know the button for "Attack 100 Start" 

View that animation in BrawlBox, then you'd know. And don't hesitate to ask. :P

Alright, now I'm confused.  When I opened up fitwario.pac and lucario.pac, all the subaction soundeffect are the same and  the only difference is that I only rename a file to "FitWario.pac" which I forgot that it was a Lucario PSA.

 :srs:

I was using Lucario rel port over Wario Which I thought you  meant that I have to use Lucario PSA as  FitWario   Rel in order to replace to lucario sfx?  If it's Wario PSA , wouldn't that make the whole rel port pointless?? 
Because that would mean I have to change not just sfx but the whole animation moveset and probably more  to replace over  Wario  PSA  with Lucario.

I also realized that Wario has more wave than Lucario when I checked through smashbox or brawlbox, so I probably as you said do the wario psa not as Wario Lucario rel.


I can't really find the buttons/ controls  for the animation moveset in the BB.  I can only find when I navigate and expand Animation Data

• > AnmChro ( NW4R)< " All the animation moveset list"   in the FitMotionEtc.pac

When I select the animation, I looked at the right side and it didn't give me all the detail for the controls.

Unless you mean that I have to open up the model viewers for Wario00.pac  but it only show the movement when I load up the fitmotion pac and select the animation to play, I still wouldn't know the controllers or buttons.

You use the .REL to port the PSA of Mewtwo over Wario.

The sound bank code allows you to use Lucario's Sound Bank (Which would have Mewtwo's SFX) on Wario's spot.

What you want to do is to use Wario's Sound Bank instead, and leave Lucario as is.

Yea but I don't want to have 2 same mewtwo sfx on different characters   :-\

I know... So you just have to add the sounds on Wario, and have Lucario be Lucario, then modify the PSA to use the sounds with Wario's IDs, so they are both independent.

But That would also mean that I have to change the "Main", "GFX"  and "Other" through Sub action into Lucario ID because that would play  Wario Moveset and mess up the value  instead of Mewtwo if I did not change it.

So am I following??  :>.>palm:

No. That is not how it works. You only need to change the Sound Effect IDs to use Wario's bank. The rest has nothing to do with Sound/Sound Bank.

So let me get this straight, you want me to download FitWario.pac ( Wario PSA) to open up PSA so I can only change the Sound effect to  Lucario ID????

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Post Merge: October 20, 2013, 04:17:40 PM

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Oh Shoot, I think I know what you're saying.    As for Lucario PSA, I only need to change to Wario ID Sound Effect, now that make sense, hopefully that's what you meant. I don't know how did I end up getting mixed up. So in essence, I don't need FitWario.pac  ( Well only change lucario to wario) but you know what I'm talking about    :oshi:

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Post Merge: October 20, 2013, 04:26:23 PM

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But wait a second, wario has more Wave file than Lucario does.  Do we add extra sfx slot for the PSA??

You need to grab the Mewtwo PSA and adjust it to use Wario's Sound IDs. You don't need the original FitWario.pac other than to recognize which IDs he uses for sounds.

And to answer your last question: You don't need to add more, just because he has more sounds doesn't means you need to use them. All you need to do is to replace his sounds with Mewtwo's, know which ID is what, and replace Mewtwo's IDs with Wario's IDs so you don't need the Sound Bank of Lucario.

When I say Lucario PSA, I meant Mewtwo PSA because I thought everyone would say that just so it's easy to refer which PSA is over with.   :>.>:

I  have one more thing that troubles me.  Since I got a Plug&Play for Wario.rel of Phantomwings version, I believe it said that the Soundbank was built in the modules, so I was wondering how do you disable the soundbank.

I think I have to  open up either the HXD or Module Editor, but I don't know how to do that

Uh? You are entirely confusing this whole thing up. So let's arrange it again:

FitLucario = Mewtwo's PSA.

You'll rename it FitWario.pac (So it's over Wario) and use the .REL

Now, the Sound Bank code makes this Wario slot use Lucario's Sound Bank, meaning nothing else needs to be edited. BUT, you want to use Wario's Sound Bank (And leave Lucario's Sound Bank as Lucario). For this, you need to edit Mewtwo's PSA to use the Sound Effect IDs that Wario actually uses, and not the Sound Effect IDs that Lucario uses.

At the moment, the PSA summons Lucario's Sounds. If you go in-game without the Sound Bank code, you'll have the PSA muted. What you are doing is making the PSA use Wario's Sound Bank. You'll go and replace Wario's WAV files for Mewtwo's, recognize which ID is what, and replace the IDs in the Mewtwo PSA.

Sorry for confusing you, I guess I should've stick to what you said, the Mewtwo PSA. I know well that I had to rename  "Lucario" to "Wario" .rel I guess I miss interpreted to what I had to  say.

So,  all we do is change mewtwo psa sound effect to wario sfx id and it does not have to do with disabling sound-banks on  HXD or Module Editor .  

I guess I don't have to do go through the trouble with the sound banks codes, luckily.

But would that mess up the sfx id because the sound bank was already set in the Rel file.

Like for example what if I made all the mewtwo sound effect has wario id using PSA  but the soundbank code which was built in the rel file has Lucario Sound Effect ??

there is no sound bank code built in the REL. ._.

The code that exoats basically tells the PSA:

Sound Bank Code: "Yo. The sounds you are looking for are on Lucario, not Wario!"
PSA: "Oh? No wonder I called the fart sound instead of the dash sound when dashing..."
Sound Bank Code: "No worries, dawg. I'll redirect you to the actual sound bank you need"

*Makes PSA call sounds on Lucario's bank*

PSA: "Amazing! I call the dash sound ehen I dash now! Thanks!"

Hey, I found one of the move  " Other Sound Effect 1"  and " Sounds" on Wario PSA.  Should I copy off and replace over mewtwo psa ???

I know you said that in PSA, some moves have more than one sound effect , but should I copy all if it has 3 sound effect  and replace over   mewtwo psa???

You don't need to copy anything. All you are doing is making Mewtwo use the new IDs (Meaning, you're only replacing the ID of every "Sound" call the PSA does for each Sub Action to fit the new one, not adding new "Sound Effect" calls).

Ok, I get that Im only suppose to make mewtwo to replace the ID, but how am I supposed to replace if the wario has more than one sounds effect in the PSA???

It doesn't matters. You're still confused. It doesn't matters if Wario uses more SFXs or not. What matters is that Wario has the same or a higher amount of SFXs that Mewtwo so that you can replace them and use Mewtwo's. As for the rest of Wario's SFXs, you will not be using them, you only care for Mewtwo's.

Example:

Wario has 2 SFXs for his fart. One for when it's not fully charged, and one for when it's fully charged. You get those IDs from the untouched Wario PSA. Now, in Mewtwo's, let's say you replaced the "low fart" with Mewtwo's Neutral B SFX, and replaced the "strong fart" with Mewtwo's Down B SFX. Now, you'd just go on these 2 Attacks' Sub Actions and set the IDs that correspond to the Sounds. It doesn't matters what the sound was, what matters is how you call it.

I still quite don't understand, what do you mean by how you call it??

You said it doesn't matter what the sound actually was but why did you say that wario non fully fart is B and fully fart for Down B??

Wario fart is only down B.  So aren't we matching the mewtwo psa SFX  moves that correspond with Wario PSA ???

 

This got me thinking, I know what I say is not true according to  every legend.

But what if Wave00 is Neutral B on both Wario and Lucario ( Mewtwo)   and I open up the PSA for fitwario and  mewtwo , I looked and compare both Nspecial ( Neutral B) and under sfx sub action  their Id is different.  I  replace the ID of every wario Sound with Mewtwo.
  

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Post Merge: October 23, 2013, 12:02:11 AM

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Ok, My mewtwo talks and I know the the sound that    I want to replace which is Both Right and Left Entry when he enter the battle, so does that mean  I can only replace the "Sound" ID  that wario can only talk that does for the sfx moveset sub action???