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Title: Kratos Aurion updated moveset (5/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: SaxMeister13 on March 30, 2010, 09:43:04 PM I love comments! Seriously, I'm happy to hear what people think, whether good or bad. All I ask is that if you tell me that something sucks, tell me why it sucks so I can improve it.
ASCH THE BLOODY (v2.0) Quite possibly the cruelest of the Six God-Generals of the Order of Lorelei, and he has a strange hatred for Luke... DOWNLOAD LINK: http://www.mediafire.com/?5mgzcjgjjkm (http://www.mediafire.com/?5mgzcjgjjkm) Download includes: Moveset, MotionEtc, Texture PAC and PCS (the texture is by Vyse; I take no credit), and various images for menu hacking to make the experience as complete as possible. You can also download individul files by visiting this link: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5983ea5538e4ef74ab1eab3e9fa335ca560ba2b19adc30ae (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5983ea5538e4ef74ab1eab3e9fa335ca560ba2b19adc30ae) More info: NEXT PROJECT: KRATOS AURION Title: Re: Asch the Bloody v2 - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: dingo on March 30, 2010, 09:54:10 PM So this is what you've been working on. Makes me wish I had a working save file on my EMU to use Marth.
Title: Re: Asch the Bloody v2 - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: LookItsLink on March 31, 2010, 10:41:01 AM Definitely trying this when I get home.
Title: Re: Asch the Bloody v2 - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Kaye Cruiser on March 31, 2010, 02:02:00 PM There was a version one? O_o;
Title: Re: Asch the Bloody v2 - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: SaxMeister13 on March 31, 2010, 07:43:45 PM There was a version one? O_o; Yeah, but it pales in comparison. I didn't bother with a changelog because the changes are...well, basically everything. :D Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: secretchaos1 on April 01, 2010, 11:28:00 PM Kratos will be awesome if done right. Also Shining Bind needs a spelling fix... Just don't like seeing it as Bird... feels so wrong XD You could always add sonic thrust or barrier to his moveset, or first aid if you think he could use healing moves without being completely broken.
Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: LookItsLink on April 02, 2010, 09:56:11 AM I really like the tentative moveset.
Guardian Field for DSmash maybe? Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: E1337 on April 05, 2010, 10:55:52 PM even though I like to know somthing about what im DLing still a fan of kratos and love the psa
Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Mr.N on April 08, 2010, 10:45:37 AM I still have two good Marth hacks on my own so Asch isn't that important for me but I like Kratos verry much and there are less good Link hacks.
Do it. Perhaps Asch's guardian field for down smash. He needs a good defensive attack. Perhaps he can get super armor and reflecting but no hitbox. If you change his boomerang a bit it might be a good wind blade. For green wind (even if you don't use the boomerang) you could use his wind graphic. It's an external graphic so it should be able to make it green with BrawlBox. You may use Soren's meteor or eruption graphics if you need them. Just some ideas. You may ask me if you need some help. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: SaxMeister13 on April 21, 2010, 11:30:49 AM I apologize for the delay, guys. I've had some Real Life issues come up (next Wednesday I'm giving a recital and I'm kind of freaked out about that) but I'm starting to get back into my Brawl mindset and preparing to work some more on Kratos.
I'd kind of hate to give him Guardian Field since it isn't really his tech (or even in ToS), but I suppose for lack of anything better it would be okay. @Mr.N - Yeah, Soren is still my absolute favorite Marth hack (other than my own, and I still think you did a better job ). Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: LookItsLink on April 22, 2010, 02:38:40 PM Hmm maybe you could stick Stone Blast -> Grave for vB or DSmash. And make Grave make opponents get stuck in the ground.
Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: SaxMeister13 on April 23, 2010, 02:15:31 PM I'd rather do that for vB, I think, since so far the B moves are magic and the A moves aren't, but then again that still leaves me missing a dsmash.
I'm also not sold on Victory Light Spear being the ^B for the same reason, but I can't think of a spell that would make a good one. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Mr.N on April 24, 2010, 07:28:46 AM Guardian Field is no magic attack. It's a defensive attack (which needs mana in ToS).
You can use it. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Reiner on April 24, 2010, 08:36:07 PM FTilt: Demon Fang
- I don't think demon fang truly feels like a FTilt move. Maybe you could make it Sonic Thrust instead? Or Hurricane Thrust? UTilt: Hell Pyre? - Hell Pyre? Awesome move, as a UTilt it wouldn't feel right. Considering Hell Pyre has a bit of recoil knockback in ToS, I think Hell Pyre woudl would better as a Side-UpTilt. -What should UTilt be then? How about Severing Wind or Light Spear? DTilt: Fierce Demon Fang - Hm... why not up it and put Grave Blade in? FSmash: Super Lightning Blade - Sounds good. USmash: Light Spear Cannon I concur. DSmash: .....? - Guardian Field, most definitely. Mr. N - Guardian Field is a PS2 exclusive arte for Kratos. In essence it's pretty much like TotA and ToV's Guardian Field. Methinks you're refering to Guardian, Damage Guard and Force Field. B: Fire Ball / Eruption - Hn... I never actually thought Fire spells suited Kratos. They were more Zelos's thing. Why not replace it with Lightning and Thunder Blade? ^B: Victory Light Spear? - Victory Light Spear? I suppose. >B: Wind Blade / Air Thrust - Yep, it fits. vB: Judgment? - Judgment is a must. Final: Shining Bind - Shining Bind? I wouldn't dare touch it. This is perfect. (Shining Bind = win) Pardon me, but I'd like to make some comments on Asch. B: You might want to make it a bit faster + increased range or a bit slower + knockback. B-Air: Its aim is rather weird. You might want to give it a bit of knockback, a couple % more damage and a better/more defined angle. When I say a better angle, think of Emil's aerial Demon Fang in ToS: Dawn of the New World. UpB: Maybe you should extend the range. It's a rather terrible recovery... but great attack. SideB: Lightning Blade? No complaints here. SideB-Air: Maybe you might want to give some more height for the comboing attacks. Or you might want to give it a better combo area. (It's not the easiest thing to get a good combo in with it). It's quite a wonderful recovery, though. DownB: Standard, can't say much about that. A: Combo? Very nice. SideTilt: Great idea, but to make it a bit more visually appealing, you might want to enlarge the hit box and add an upward slash animation. DownTilt: Slag Assault? Slowing down the animation would be nice... or enlarging the range/approach. UpTilt: Havoc Strike? Nice. However... it seems rather... small, light (in terms of damage) and not all that useful. Side-DownTilt: I have no clue what this is... DSmash: Guardian Field? Maybe you might want to add a recovery effect, something like 5%/ use? SSmash: Devil's Inferno? Nice choice and well done. USmash: Light Spare Cannon? Erm... Perhaps you should convert it to Light Blast? Combo: Raging Blast? Nicely done. Taunts?: I like the idea of including OL, it's rather interesting. However, it seems that OL can only be used once/match. I suppose that works considering you're invulnerable. You might want to include Coil/Steel for the other taunts? anyways, those are my two bits. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: tenkashi on April 26, 2010, 03:16:03 PM taunt : first aid
he spammed that when i first played ToS ^^ good ol kratos the mud fish pokeon :happy: Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Puraidou on April 27, 2010, 01:53:43 AM God i want to see the Kratos move set :D
If it's out i'm so gonna download it :D Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: SaxMeister13 on April 28, 2010, 11:03:45 AM Ah, so Kratos does get Guardian Field in the PS2 version? I've only played the GC one, but I know Guardian Field from Luke/Asch (obviously ;D ). Maybe I will do it, but the mechanics will have to be different from Asch's to keep things interesting. I want to keep the possibility of a Kratos/Asch battle actually being fun.
Today is my junior recital, so by this weekend I should be majorly back in the swing of things. Thanks for your patience, guys - I'm gonna get this done. @PrideToBeMe - it's not out yet, but I'm working on it. I'd say it's about 20% done at the moment. @Reiner - thanks for the comments! A few thoughts: * I'd love Kratos to have Thunder Blade; I just have no idea how to code it. Also, it seems to conflict with giving him Super Lightning Blade. * I agree that Demon Fang doesn't feel like an FTilt, but I feel like he should have it somewhere and I don't know where else. Sonic Thrust could work, though...it would probably feel almost exactly like SLB except without the lightning, though (and less damage, ofc). * Asch's B-Air is a false projectile and is limited by the mechanics of false projectiles. You'll find that it stays roughly level with his feet, so if he's still ascending then so will the projectile. I don't know how else to code it. I could go for a little farther and faster, but when I tried giving it knockback it became way too spammable. * Slag Assault is still really poor, I know. Part of that is that it's gotta be a custom animation and I'm really lousy at those, but it's still on my to-do list. * It wasn't my intention to make OL a once-per-match thing, just once every so many hits; I'll take a look. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: LookItsLink on April 28, 2010, 11:57:12 AM Could you make it Guardian (http://aselia.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian) instead of Guardian Field?
If damage reduction is possible, do that. If not, could it you make it so he has super armor frames instead? (it would be a useful move to dodge final smashes or as a nice panic move to avoid getting smashed) Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Reiner on April 28, 2010, 03:19:13 PM @Reiner - thanks for the comments! A few thoughts: * I'd love Kratos to have Thunder Blade; I just have no idea how to code it. Also, it seems to conflict with giving him Super Lightning Blade. * I agree that Demon Fang doesn't feel like an FTilt, but I feel like he should have it somewhere and I don't know where else. Sonic Thrust could work, though...it would probably feel almost exactly like SLB except without the lightning, though (and less damage, ofc). * Asch's B-Air is a false projectile and is limited by the mechanics of false projectiles. You'll find that it stays roughly level with his feet, so if he's still ascending then so will the projectile. I don't know how else to code it. I could go for a little farther and faster, but when I tried giving it knockback it became way too spammable. * Slag Assault is still really poor, I know. Part of that is that it's gotta be a custom animation and I'm really lousy at those, but it's still on my to-do list. * It wasn't my intention to make OL a once-per-match thing, just once every so many hits; I'll take a look. For Thunderblade, I imagine you could probably ask Mr. N for a bit of help on that. If you checked out his work on Soren (Marth PSA) then you could probably try something Thoron-esque for his thunderblade. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "it seems to conflict with giving him Super Lightning Blade". For Demon Fang, why not have it as a standard B? I see, I can somewhat understand what you're getting at. However, if you slowed down the Demon Fang animation then it'll give enough time for someone to move out of it, right? Or you may want to up the damage by 1% or so. Slag Assault is understandable. OL, I found that it charges rather quickly. You might want to increase the number of hits before it fully charges - if you plan on having it as a multi-use/match. Good luck with the coding. I'll be sure to test and give feedback when you do. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: SaxMeister13 on April 30, 2010, 12:59:10 PM Could you make it Guardian ([url]http://aselia.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian[/url]) instead of Guardian Field? If damage reduction is possible, do that. If not, could it you make it so he has super armor frames instead? (it would be a useful move to dodge final smashes or as a nice panic move to avoid getting smashed) I agree...but on DSmash? That would be a really odd place for it, but that's where I'd been thinking of GF. @Reiner - At the moment I'm thinking of implementing SLB for Kratos in much the same way as I implemented LB for Asch - a thrust and a lightning strike. Casting Lightning would feel to me like exactly the same thing, sans the thrust. I can play with graphics and try to make it feel different (and of course the damage/KB would be different too) but ultimately it would feel kind of redundant to me. I like Lightning better as well, though, so I'm still thinking about it. What kinds of stuff could I do to make the two moves more different? So here's an updated moveset (also updated in the OP): FTilt: Sonic Thrust UTilt: Light Spear? DTilt: Grave Blade FSmash: Super Lightning Blade USmash: Light Spear Cannon DSmash: Guardian Field? B: Fire Ball / Eruption ^B: Victory Light Spear? >B: Wind Blade / Air Thrust vB: Judgment Final: Shining Bind I'm currently looking for some good GFX for Judgment. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion tentative moveset posted (4/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Reiner on May 01, 2010, 11:24:38 AM Could you make it Guardian ([url]http://aselia.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian[/url]) instead of Guardian Field? If damage reduction is possible, do that. If not, could it you make it so he has super armor frames instead? (it would be a useful move to dodge final smashes or as a nice panic move to avoid getting smashed) I agree...but on DSmash? That would be a really odd place for it, but that's where I'd been thinking of GF. @Reiner - At the moment I'm thinking of implementing SLB for Kratos in much the same way as I implemented LB for Asch - a thrust and a lightning strike. Casting Lightning would feel to me like exactly the same thing, sans the thrust. I can play with graphics and try to make it feel different (and of course the damage/KB would be different too) but ultimately it would feel kind of redundant to me. I like Lightning better as well, though, so I'm still thinking about it. What kinds of stuff could I do to make the two moves more different? So here's an updated moveset (also updated in the OP): FTilt: Sonic Thrust UTilt: Light Spear? DTilt: Grave Blade FSmash: Super Lightning Blade USmash: Light Spear Cannon DSmash: Guardian Field? B: Fire Ball / Eruption ^B: Victory Light Spear? >B: Wind Blade / Air Thrust vB: Judgment Final: Shining Bind I'm currently looking for some good GFX for Judgment. Instead of using Super Lightning Blade, why not use Hurricane Thrust? It could be put to use for a good combo, and it would have a different feel from Asch. As for judgment... I haven't the slightest clue at the moment. I will continue to mull it over, though. Title: Re: Kratos Aurion updated moveset (5/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: Orphan on May 22, 2010, 12:20:53 PM when is this kratos coming out?
Title: Re: Kratos Aurion updated moveset (5/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: corban123 on June 10, 2010, 10:14:57 PM I know this thread is a bit dead, but i was wondering if you leave the files with Asch_ at the beginning, how can you make them work?
Title: Re: Kratos Aurion updated moveset (5/1) - SaxMeister13's Stuff Post by: roninlast on June 18, 2010, 01:33:15 PM How far is this thing now?
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