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Yet another masterpiece has come into the world of Brawl :) Who will you do next?

Not sure. Since I know all the code tricks already, I'm just gonna practice a lot more with animations. Next PSA will be epic as well ;D

Now I can perform the "Sonic's Too Slow" combo on Sonic himself. Sweet! XD

I'm gonna love this. :3

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKRZHElsTgw[/url]

@Barbatos

LookItsLink made the Kratos vertex, complain to him. ¦D

... This Psa looks good, but to be honest I think you could have made him closer than what kratos is really. But be sure it is only my opinion, because you did a great work. I can't try it now as I'm going to sleep, but when I can, I will try him. The only things that make me a bit sad are his texture, his hair is not so close than Kratos's hair, but I know it's difficult to make them, and finally, the most annoying, you used the taunt system to switch between modes, and you even made some chargeable specials that completely change with the charge. It will be a real pain for me to make voices for these chargeable attacks... I don't think it is possible to make a voice for all down specials in one mode, so all voices for all down specials in all modes... I will have to ask Stickman if we can do this, because if we can't, I can assure you his voice will be really incomplete...

By the way, I can't send it to you now, but next time I connect, I will send you with private message Barbatos moveset that I imagined.

Now I can perform the "Sonic's Too Slow" combo on Sonic himself. Sweet! XD

I'm gonna love this. :3

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKRZHElsTgw[/url]

@Barbatos

LookItsLink made the Kratos vertex, complain to him. ¦D

Will you make a OP version? It looks great.

^Instant casting of Lv.3 spells and Lightning blade-Super lightning blade. :P Please?

you sure you want an OP version? lol...he would easily be too powerful.

Ok, how about slightly OP changes. Inf. jump, no helpless fall, faster, etc. Sorry, if he already had the last things I noted I haven't dl'd him.

Kratos Aurion the best video game character finally comes to Brawl~!!!!!

Thank you so much!

Maybe for version 2 you could make side b Super lightning blade so he can combo with lightning blade super lightning blade.

You are my hero@@@@@ best newyears present ever!@!!!

haha Thanks :D

I'm perfecting his judgment spell right now. expect version 1.5 to be released soon! ;D

Can you make Lightning Blade and Super Lightning Blade move Kratos foward (even on the ground)?

I love how they did that in Vesperia. It was a great way to chase down the opponent.

I see, but as it is not a Kratos Aurion move, I hardly see how I can put a voice of him that matches this attack. And if it was the only attack that was a problem...

It's good to see you because I've just tried him. You did a great job, especially with graphical effects. But to be honest, this Kratos Aurion is really not what I expected. To me, Kratos is a swordsman, a very good swordsman, and he can use magic, but his magic is not as strong as his swordsmanship. The only spell that is very very powerful is Judgment. And in this Psa, this is the contrary, his spells are a lot stronger than his swordsmanship. It is a choice I know, but I just wanted to express my opinion. But be sure I like your work, it is not all the days that I could have played as Kratos Aurion in ssbb and for this, i will say this: Thank you very much!

Ps: It is too bad that Kratos kept side B and Up B of Marth. But I suppose it is difficult to replace moves when we have a character of a rpg game. :laugh:

Last Ps: Go see your private messages if you have not already done it.

Ok good to see this. But take your time to do it, do it when you want. I would like to say that I was very surprised of graphical effects you put. I know they are not tales of graphics, but they recall perfectly Tales of and that is what really surprised me. And to think it took you not a lot of time... I wish I will be able to make Psa's like this one day... I'm sure it would serve me a lot! :laugh:

Oh I see! I can say we are two fans of rpg. I love a lot Rpg, especially those of Tales of series. It is unfortunate that most of Tales of stay in Japan... Like Tales of destiny 2 for example where Barbatos is a part of the history! :laugh:Ok, if you have video for reference, it is faster, hmm, good to know...

Damian! you should make his swordsmanship somewhat similar to metaknights. im reffering to metaknights speed. but like barbatos said, i think you should take your time to perfect everything. and his attacks make it so its not multiple hits with one button. cause i played my cousin and everytime he escaped outta lightspear or the down smash with the stabs he took every oppertunity to fire uppercut my ass with luigi xD

you should make it so the player has control over his slashes. so they can combo into 3 or 4 or 5 hits, but only if you choose to do so.

oh! and give his AAA combo a wider hitbox, less knockback, and more hitstun :3

I'll be frank with you, the animations need more refinement.

Some of the poses seem too exaggerated, and there a few where some of his body just does not look good. The (Super?)Sonic Thrust attack has him point his head farther to the right than it should be, and not only that, his eyes are closed.

I think you should go back and tidy up the animations a little bit.

Also, I think the Thunder Blade would be better done with a simple Sword Glow graphic, cause I don't remember Krato's sword being the catalyst for the Thunder Blade attack.

I'll be frank with you, the animations need more refinement.

Some of the poses seem too exaggerated, and there a few where some of his body just does not look good. The (Super?)Sonic Thrust attack has him point his head farther to the right than it should be, and not only that, his eyes are closed.

I think you should go back and tidy up the animations a little bit.

Also, I think the Thunder Blade would be better done with a simple Sword Glow graphic, cause I don't remember Krato's sword being the catalyst for the Thunder Blade attack.

Give him time, remember. VERSION ONE.

Thanks!!! ;D (keeping in mind I only worked on it for 3 days upon its release)

Perfection cannot be rushed (well technically it can but ehhh), that's why the original brawl characters' moveset are so wack haha. (my opinion ofcourse XD)

i like the original brawl characters move sets xD
that includes my beloved ganon :P

yeah, I can tell, from your signature graphic lol

what!? xD

haha.. i got bored and needed a sig cause i never really had one. so i decided to make something brawl related and the man with the crooked green nose just happened to come to mind <3

it was either him, metaknight, or falco x3

OMG @_@"

how much longer before we get to see? :DD

im lookin forward to the hell pyre :3

oh, and his first aid is too broken xD
you should make it heal 10% if they're over 120 and 5% all the other times :P

Give him time, remember. VERSION ONE.

I know it's V1. I'm just telling him my opinion.

you should also replace his downsmash. make it so it can hit both sides of him o.o"

something like a slash that knocks the opponent behind him and then he thrusts behind him to hit the opponent once more.

similar to Ganon's and Toon link's Down smash :3

I just got done getting Kratos eyes open in all of his animations, and fixed up a couple of other animations :).....I've never seen kratos attack from the back and front before.

Zeljius: Kratos doesn't do that in any of his moves, excepted with his light spear as it is a turning movement, but it doesn't hit both sides equally...

Honestly, and I know it will probably not please some people, there is a move that I would be very happy to be removed, and it is demon swarm! This move is not a Kratos move, and it truly doesn't match him, Kratos doesn't make so quick slashes in any of his moves, the only character in Tales of Symphonia that could at least use this move is Lloyd, he has the profile... But I know what is your question, in that case, what do we put? As you put sonic thrust as down tilt, I think Super sonic thrust can be put as a down smash, this is only my opinion.

Besides, I don't see why the up smash is light spear... It should be his move to come back on the battlefield, then his up B... But I know it requires some modifications on the animation and this is probably the difficulty... Or if you doesn't want to put it, maybe you can use an other move. And as up smash, we can use for example light spear cannon, it is stronger than light spear of course. And the final hit sends the opponent in the air. As Kratos is an angel, his up B can be used to deploy his wings for a limited amount of time like Pit up B. But here, the difficult is to make Kratos's wings...

And for Side B, maybe we can put Hurricane Thrust.

These are only suggestions.

Zeljius: Kratos doesn't do that in any of his moves, excepted with his light spear as it is a turning movement, but it doesn't hit both sides equally...

Honestly, and I know it will probably not please some people, there is a move that I would be very happy to be removed, and it is demon swarm! This move is not a Kratos move, and it truly doesn't match him, Kratos doesn't make so quick slashes in any of his moves, the only character in Tales of Symphonia that could at least use this move is Lloyd, he has the profile... But I know what is your question, in that case, what do we put? As you put sonic thrust as down tilt, I think Super sonic thrust can be put as a down smash, this is only my opinion.

Besides, I don't see why the up smash is light spear... It should be his move to come back on the battlefield, then his up B... But I know it requires some modifications on the animation and this is probably the difficulty... Or if you doesn't want to put it, maybe you can use an other move. And as up smash, we can use for example light spear cannon, it is stronger than light spear of course. And the final hit sends the opponent in the air. As Kratos is an angel, his up B can be used to deploy his wings for a limited amount of time like Pit up B. But here, the difficult is to make Kratos's wings...

And for Side B, maybe we can put Hurricane Thrust.

These are only suggestions.

i mean think about it. ALL the characters in SSBB have moves that they dont have in the series. Ganon has his Electrical Rape, Falco goes on fire, Ike has his little forward dash thingy, and Marth has his Dolphin slash. Nintendo knew that i'd be akward to just give a character moves from the game, they threw in more moves to make them more interesting and Fluent. if nintendo threw a tales character in brawl, dont you think they'd do the same?

im pretty sure kratos is capable of doing other things that just what's available in the TOS game.

Zeljius: Kratos doesn't do that in any of his moves, excepted with his light spear as it is a turning movement, but it doesn't hit both sides equally...

Honestly, and I know it will probably not please some people, there is a move that I would be very happy to be removed, and it is demon swarm! This move is not a Kratos move, and it truly doesn't match him, Kratos doesn't make so quick slashes in any of his moves, the only character in Tales of Symphonia that could at least use this move is Lloyd, he has the profile... But I know what is your question, in that case, what do we put? As you put sonic thrust as down tilt, I think Super sonic thrust can be put as a down smash, this is only my opinion.

Besides, I don't see why the up smash is light spear... It should be his move to come back on the battlefield, then his up B... But I know it requires some modifications on the animation and this is probably the difficulty... Or if you doesn't want to put it, maybe you can use an other move. And as up smash, we can use for example light spear cannon, it is stronger than light spear of course. And the final hit sends the opponent in the air. As Kratos is an angel, his up B can be used to deploy his wings for a limited amount of time like Pit up B. But here, the difficult is to make Kratos's wings...

And for Side B, maybe we can put Hurricane Thrust.

These are only suggestions.

take this from a in-depth experienced brawl player. a down smash is useless if it only hits in one direction. side-B and Up-B ideas are great, and as for the fierce demon fang idea, im pretty sure if i slashed with my sword to do a fierced demon fang, and someone was standing in the way, they're gonna get hit by the sword. not saying that it hits is TOS, just saying that it wouldnt make sense if it didnt hit in brawl.

Hmm I'm going to use gecko loader to get all (well most) of emils attacks early on in the game.

After I review thim all you want me to propose an Emil moveset? :l

True True, about Fierced Demon Fang. I just got done changing his side B and UP B specials ...I expect to be done with version 2 next week and will release it :P I fixed up a lot of things lol

yeah, Emil PSA does sound interesting, If I have time, I'll  probably attempt it. I go back to school on 1-10-11...So I hope I can get my other projects done before that :P

Okay, it's too late to start doing that tonight (since I plan to do some SERIOUS examinations and providing reference videos like u did with Kratos) but I'll get on my idea tomorrow.

Note that I'll be looking for moves that would be easilly doable in brawl (even at your level of experiance) and as close as possible to TOS graphics etc. Rather than the ZMG epicness moves. And judging from your Kratos, even as a version one,  I'd say you'd be capable of doing it pretty easilly :)

PS: I want to show my friend a video of your kratos hack, the one that you made but X_X can't find it.

BTW, are there any GOOD Emil vertexes?

Can't wait for V.2
And for Emil, someone on smashboards has a model import of him in progress.
EDIT: Here: [url]http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=294859[/url]

Dang that's pretty cool. Emil Vs Kratos Vs. Barbatos = PURELY EPIC!!!! XD

hahaha, and all made by you :P

Jade Curtiss anyone??

The spell caster right? That would be easy, most of his moves are just spells. lol I imagine all of his smash attacks being some kind of spell or maybe some of the spear moves he has.

^His indignation would be an epic attack.
Although that just reminded me of the horrible voice acting for indignation in TOP's intro.....
And you forgot Lloyd.....
Llloyd Vs. Emil Vs. Kratos Vs. Barbaots...... T

so what ever happened to that Llloyd  project over wolf?

And please dont give me another huge paragraph to read.

Huh, this looks great!
Man I can't wait to have more time again!!!

I'll definitely check this one out next week, when I get my freedom back, lol!

+1 Masterpiece to DivineOverlord, again :)

This is a possibility, but I don't like it too much as it is only a slash, so it should be less powerful than a lot of his attacks... We can't make a simple slash like this more powerful than Hell Pyre for example, it would be too strange! But be sure it only is my opinion, maybe Divine Overlord will find it good!

still going on with giving kratos no new effective moves? -sigh-
there's a reason why lucas is so low on the tier list. his downsmash not being a reliable out of spotdodge option is one of the reasons. unless you're facing twards them, and even then that tends to be half of the time. which again makes it reliable. not gonna lie, its good if you're facing them, but only then.

did the whole little paragraph about nintendo giving nintendo characters new moves say nothing to you barbatos? if you're any good at brawl in any way you seriously gotta know what can be a good move and a crap one. kratos needs a reliable attack that can hit on both sides of him, and what better place to put it than as his downsmash.

i sense a failure in process.

Silent Doom: Good to see you here!

Zeljius: The length of my posts concern only one person, and this is me! If you don't want to read long posts or semi long posts because you are lazy, then you can, but this is all your problem, it doesn't forbid me to make long posts, because I'm sure other people would be interested! We as members have the right to make long paragraphs to explain ourself and don't complain, I can make posts much longer than the post you read! But there is one thing that we don't have the right, it is double posting like you! And you made it numerous times on this topic while you could easily edit your message, especially when you forgot to say something after ten minutes you could easily have edited your message! Have you not read the rules when your registered on this forum? If it is not the case, I would advise you to go read them, before something happens to you!

I'm sorry Divine Overlord and other members that you had to see this, but there are times in our life when we have some things to say and when we can't keep them on ourselves!

Now I will come back on the down smash move!

It is not because a down smash doesn't hit in both directions that it is not reliable, look at Snake's down smash! And personally, I don't care about the tier list, it is not because we are the last member of the tier list that we can't be good, even if we have a down smash that doesn't hit in both directions we can be really good, the tier list can burn in hell like Kvar! All is important is to be intelligent and create situations in which we can use our best weapons! In that case, a move becomes very effective and reliable! Of course it depends of the training but personnally, I don't think this is because a move has some properties like hitting in both directions that it is reliable. And besides, there is already an other move that should hit in both direction if, obviously, Divine Overlord manage to do it like it was in Tos, it is light spear! And maybe there will be an other move that will hit in both sides, his up smash, as I don't know precisely what it will be, maybe light spear cannon or victory light spear!

And the last thing Zeljius! Imagine Divine Overlord makes a move that hits in both directions, what will be this move? Because I searched among your posts, and I haven't found ANY suggestion of concrete attack! Does that mean you don't even know what concretely this attack will look like? Because for now, this is what I think... You're good to say kratos has to have an attack that hits in both directions but you seem to have no idea how to make it... That is your message by not making concrete suggestion!

Anyway, Divine Overlord is the psa maker, so he will be the one to decide what move he will put! I just hope Divine Overlord will make a move that matches Kratos Aurion, because we do Kratos Aurion, a well known swordsman among tales of fans who has his properties very well defined!

Divine Overlord: You didn't answered my question! What does Overdrive does concretely? :laugh:

Ah ok! I see! I didn't payed attention enough to see it, that is why I asked you this. Thank you for your reply. So maybe Victory Light spear will be put? Good, I hope you will be able to make it, as it seems more difficult than light spear! But don't make it so powerful than your previous up smash which was Light spear, it inflicted too much damage!

Edit: Divine Overlord, I edited my previous message in the end, don't forget to see it.

Silent Doom: Good to see you here!

Zeljius: The length of my posts concern only one person, and this is me! If you don't want to read long posts or semi long posts because you are lazy, then you can, but this is all your problem, it doesn't forbid me to make long posts, because I'm sure other people would be interested! We as members have the right to make long paragraphs to explain ourself and don't complain, I can make posts much longer than the post you read! But there is one thing that we don't have the right, it is double posting like you! And you made it numerous times on this topic while you could easily edit your message, especially when you forgot to say something after ten minutes you could easily have edited your message! Have you not read the rules when your registered on this forum? If it is not the case, I would advise you to go read them, before something happens to you!

I'm sorry Divine Overlord and other members that you had to see this, but there are times in our life when we have some things to say and when we can't keep them on ourselves!

Now I will come back on the down smash move!

It is not because a down smash doesn't hit in both directions that it is not reliable, look at Snake's down smash! And personally, I don't care about the tier list, it is not because we are the last member of the tier list that we can't be good, even if we have a down smash that doesn't hit in both directions we can be really good, the tier list can burn in hell like Kvar! All is important is to be intelligent and create situations in which we can use our best weapons! In that case, a move becomes very effective and reliable! Of course it depends of the training but personnally, I don't think this is because a move has some properties like hitting in both directions that it is reliable. And besides, there is already an other move that should hit in both direction if, obviously, Divine Overlord manage to do it like it was in Tos, it is light spear! And maybe there will be an other move that will hit in both sides, his up smash, as I don't know precisely what it will be, maybe light spear cannon or victory light spear!

And the last thing Zeljius! Imagine Divine Overlord makes a move that hits in both directions, what will be this move? Because I searched among your posts, and I haven't found ANY suggestion of concrete attack! Does that mean you don't even know what concretely this attack will look like? Because for now, this is what I think... You're good to say kratos has to have an attack that hits in both directions but you seem to have no idea how to make it... That is your message by not making concrete suggestion!

Anyway, Divine Overlord is the psa maker, so he will be the one to decide what move he will put! I just hope Divine Overlord will make a move that matches Kratos Aurion, because we do Kratos Aurion, a well known swordsman among tales of fans who has his properties very well defined!

Divine Overlord: You didn't answered my question! What does Overdrive does concretely? :laugh: And I just noticed, why did you replaced his running speed movement? His running speed in Tos looks like a lot of Marth's running speed... Besides, I don't know if you know, but there are two sequences, the beginning where he has Marth's stance, and after that he runs with a new movement!

still going on with giving kratos no new effective moves? -sigh-
there's a reason why lucas is so low on the tier list. his downsmash not being a reliable out of spotdodge option is one of the reasons. unless you're facing twards them, and even then that tends to be half of the time. which again makes it reliable. not gonna lie, its good if you're facing them, but only then.

did the whole little paragraph about nintendo giving nintendo characters new moves say nothing to you barbatos? if you're any good at brawl in any way you seriously gotta know what can be a good move and a crap one. kratos needs a reliable attack that can hit on both sides of him, and what better place to put it than as his downsmash.

i sense a failure in process.

I really don't know what you're trying to make this Kratos into. o_O

But I can GUARANTEE Lucas' dsmash isn't a bad move, and he's not low on the tier List for that reason.

And you please refrain from double posting :)

huh? there's a rule against it? o_O"

Sorry. didn't know.

... I prefer not saying anything about your last post Zeljius excepted this, you're disgusting me, and I'm sure I'm not alone to be disgusted, those who try to respect rules as much as possible may be disgusted a lot too...

Velen: Once again, I agree with you, totally! If psa makers make their psas focusing tier level, I think overpowered characters wouldn't exist, and it would be too bad because it can be fun!

Zeljius: To come back on this move, I don't see why Divine Overlord should make it! You asked for a Kratos Aurion moveset and you're putting things that are litterally against him, no wonder people say I don't know what you're trying to make this Kratos into! Besides now as I know what you have in mind, I can say that it is even more idiot! I said Kratos doesn't do a move like this in the video game, and it is truly true, he doesn't have the profile to make a slash that knocks the opponent behind him (excepted with his different light spear attacks), and has even less the profile to then turn and make a thrust just after an attack! And I really don't know if you know what you're saying, you're saying you want a slash in one direction, and after this you say that Marth's forward tilt can be used. Here I see no problem, but you say that you want it to knocks the opponent behind Kratos and that is the problem! Marth's forward tilt hits only in one direction, so how can it knocks the opponent behind him? Because you also said it was a slash in ONLY one direction! Of course we can put moves in a video game character that this character doesn't use in any of his game, but we have to at least put movements that could match him, and that is what Nintendo did, they didn't put for example in Marth's movements some projectile! They put completely new movements, that could match the characters, and that is the difference of what Nintendo did, and what you're trying to do Zeljius! And it should be even more easier for us to put movements for Kratos as we all know what he is capable of, so stop to put movements that completely doesn't match him! By reading your posts, as I'm a frank person I say it to you, I and maybe others have the impression that you want this Kratos to become what he isn't in order to win a tournament! To win a tournament not being overpowered like Omega Zero, I know, but to win a tournament! I don't think Psa maker make psa for this purpose, they make new characters to have fun the most important, to put new characters in brawl, not too overpowered when they make them balanced, but they try to be enough realist to put movements that match the character they make! Anyway, as it is Divine Overlord who makes the Psa, he will be the one to decide and do what he feels right!

... I prefer not saying anything about your last post Zeljius excepted this, you're disgusting me, and I'm sure I'm not alone to be disgusted, those who try to respect rules as much as possible may be disgusted a lot too...

Velen: Once again, I agree with you, totally! If psa makers make their psas focusing tier level, I think overpowered characters wouldn't exist, and it would be too bad because it can be fun!

Zeljius: To come back on this move, I don't see why Divine Overlord should make it! You asked for a Kratos Aurion moveset and you're putting things that are litterally against him, no wonder people say I don't know what you're trying to make this Kratos into! Besides now as I know what you have in mind, I can say that it is even more idiot! I said Kratos doesn't do a move like this in the video game, and it is truly true, he doesn't have the profile to make a slash that knocks the opponent behind him (excepted with his different light spear attacks), and has even less the profile to then turn and make a thrust just after an attack! And I really don't know if you know what you're saying, you're saying you want a slash in one direction, and after this you say that Marth's forward tilt can be used. Here I see no problem, but you say that you want it to knocks the opponent behind Kratos and that is the problem! Marth's forward tilt hits only in one direction, so how can it knocks the opponent behind him? Because you also said it was a slash in ONLY one direction! Of course we can put moves in a video game character that this character doesn't use in any of his game, but we have to at least put movements that could match him, and that is what Nintendo did, they didn't put for example in Marth's movements some projectile! They put completely new movements, that could match the characters, and that is the difference of what Nintendo did, and what you're trying to do Zeljius! And it should be even more easier for us to put movements for Kratos as we all know what he is capable of, so stop to put movements that completely doesn't match him! By reading your posts, as I'm a frank person I say it to you, I and maybe others have the impression that you want this Kratos to become what he isn't in order to win a tournament! To win a tournament not being overpowered like Omega Zero, I know, but to win a tournament! I don't think Psa maker make psa for this purpose, they make new characters to have fun the most important, to put new characters in brawl, not too overpowered when they make them balanced, but they try to be enough realist to put movements that match the character they make! Anyway, as it is Divine Overlord who makes the Psa, he will be the one to decide and do what he feels right!

That reminds me, there should be a better Kratos Vertex on Marth...I know this one Issac hack on hack that has the perfect hair to put on Marth for that.

tried finding someone to do it. didnt work out that well =.="

perhaps a, "Heroic Kitten" has a better chance? :P

No dice, I haven't done any vertex hacks...and have no experience with them.

Here is that Ike hack I was talking about. If someone edited the hair and put it on with PSA, it could look just like Kratos. Plus, more detailed hair FTW.

[url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10757[/url]

I'm not gonna argue with you too, I said what I wanted to say, so it is finished! Excepted about Kratos's moves, you said it yourself, we're on a Kratos's moveset, so I will continue to express my opinion about new moves and even make suggestions if it is needed and if I can of course! And if these new moves sound completely idiots to me, as a Kratos's fan, it is important to precise this, I won't hesitate and say it and say why I think this, without insults of course, because rules are very important to me, I have this right and I think I used it well. For now, I think I have completed my mission, it means explain why the move you suggested shouldn't be put in Kratos's new moves. That is why I will stop for now.

Oh, and I have an other suggestion about Kratos, it is not really important, but anyway I submit it, I love his waiting pose when he crosses his arms, even if I don't remember him doing this in Tales of, it matches him, but don't you think it is strange that he doesn't wield his sword when he does this pose and then a sword appears in his hand like magic? Should this pose be changed?

You see, to use the hair you need to add it into the PSA file, because you can't put it directly on the model. For it to work correctly, you have to have a code in pretty much every subaction for the hair to spawn, the Roy PSA's do this as well.

Thank you very much Fliptocat! If Divine Overlord has no time to make it, maybe I will be able to make it and then give it to those who are concerned!

^I got it, but you need to replace the sword glow with it. :( I don't know how the Roy PSA people had the hair and the sword glow.....

I can, yeah.
If anyone wants to make a better vertex, I have his model for reference, PM me if you want it.

Divine Overlord: Oh? I thought we could do all what we wanted as long as we put credits of the person who made the release we modificated! I've learned a new thing! Anyway, I didn't plan to make a release on ShadowVault. (it is this name now) I don't even know how to do it...

His waiting pose is fixed? Ha sorry, maybe I downloaded a wrong version or maybe I didn't pay enough attention...

For Kratos's shield, is it possible to use Link's shield and do a recoloration? I suppose it means an article swapping right? I hope someone can do it...

^^^No, Kratos' model from Tales of Symphonia. Can't get it in .MDL0 yet, though. And for the shield, it would't really do anything, but I guess you could vertex it out of his haveN bone or something...... Otherwise you'd have to use an external GFX.

^I wish there was a method for adding more ext. graphics. XD
Do you know of a way to extract the vertices from a model? (Not a .mdl0) Just the vertices.

Didn't think so..... But if I could, I might be able to get Kratos' actual hair into the model...... I just thought of something though, I'm gonna go try it out.

The color? Not sure..... It's a yellow color in-game, right? Try changing the color of it's texture and see if that changes anything.

I can, yeah.
If anyone wants to make a better vertex, I have his model for reference, PM me if you want it.

^How did you get it to work?

^How did you get it to work?

"The world may never know..."

Of course mister owl~ (if you don't get the reference...just wow... -_-; )

MAH

Can you make ZSS's hair mobile on Marth's model Divine?

I was indeed referring to that.

I don't think my method's gonna work..... It's probably a better idea to just request a vertex..... Especially since I can give them the model for reference. Good luck with your method, DivineOverlord.

Velen: For the hair, if I could, even if I'm not experienced, I would have tried to vertex his hair, with or without Isaac's hair. But, as I can't have a Dae file of this Kratos I can't do it...

For the shield honestly I didn't thought of that but honestly this is a very good idea! But I wonder if it will affect his animations to grab items or opponents...

You know what I think about the hair of Kratos about your image! :laugh:

It is funny but if you didn't said this graphic effect was for eruption, I wouldn't have guessed, I would have thought it was for an other attack, which is called flare tornado, I don't know if you know this attack. And it is funny also to see that this graphical effect looks like a lot Ho oh's (I don't know if I spelled it correctly) attack.

But I have to say something, this is not something bad, it is all the contrary. But when I see your Dark serpent move, I immediately think of one of Yuri Lowell move, in the japanese version, he has a thrust and the graphical effects look like a little of this move, especially with the color in fact because when he does this move, his sword transform in a triangle of this color. I don't know what name has this Yuri Lowell move but anyway, it is a good move that truly matches Kratos!

Edit: Ok. I just tried this character, and I have some things to say, keep in mind that I only give my opinion.


About A attacks alone, when you press A some times, and when you hold A after the three combos, Kratos makes quick slashes, you probably know what I'm going to say, but again, I don't think Kratos can make so quick slashes like this. We can keep the idea, but reduce the speed of these slashes. And I wanted also to say about this attack that it is strange that even if we don't keep the A button pressed, he continues to do it, I only say this because I've never seen a move like this in Brawl. For example, correct me if I'm wrong, to do multiples Fox's kicks, we have to keep the A button pressed. The last thing about this move is that I'm sorry if I comment it only now, but I don't remember these quick slashes to be in previous version, but maybe I'm wrong, maybe I didn't pressed the button correctly to use it. Honestly, I don't know!

About Light spear as up B, it jumps pretty high! :laugh: It is not a real problem because this is the only move that kratos has to come back. But I don't know if it allows to grab the platform, I didn't saw to be honest. But what is strange about this move, again I might be wrong, I didn't see a down slash like the one I see  on your image. What I saw was a move a little similar in fact to Victory light spear because he makes a thrust in fact as final movement! Again, I will verify because I find this very strange!

About his waiting pose, and this I'm pretty sure I didn't noticed it earlier but was there, Kratos crosses his arms, but we can see the sword or it should be invisible as it is in Kratos's sheath. I know, this is not a real problem especially we don't see so often waiting animations but I just wanted to say it.

An other suggestion I can make is to edit a little his pose when he casts Judgement, Explosion, and Thunder Blade only when he casts these three spells. Look at the pose he makes when he casts these three spells, and look especially his hand. It is pointed down, my suggestion is to point his hand up, and open his hand if it is needed so that he makes "5" with his hands. This is the way he cast spells in the anime.


There is also an other problem about Dark Serpent, when you do it after this move you can run, but if you run just after this move, you run much faster than the normal run speed. To run after Dark Serpent, you have to maintain B button, and besides press the stick. If you do this, you can run just after Dark Serpent.

The biggest problem excepted the down smash, of this Kratos is about Dark Serpent move. This move is really good, it matches Kratos perfectly, and I don't have to complain about what he does if we maintain B, that is not a problem. The true problem in fact of this move is in air. Indeed when he uses it in air, he uses it normally, but if you don't keep B button pressed, when he touches the floor, we can't do anything! There is one of Kratos knees that is vibrating, but we can't move or anything and if I recall correctly, we can hear the sound of charging movement. This is a glitch, which can be annoying... So if you can fix this, it would be really good!

Oh, and I wanted to ask you, have you changed Fierce demon fang properties a little? I wondered this.

The last thing I have to say is about lighting blade chaining with super Lighting blade. A very good thing, again, we have to know how to do it but it is true it would have been difficult to put it using different conditions. A,d there is something that made me smile about this chain, this is something that kratos uses often, true, and obviously it made me smile, but you kept Marth's spirit about this chain, I mean, to touch the opponent twice, we have to be at good distance, and that is what made me smile, it is so funny the influence that marth had.

Anyway, you made a good job, there is still work to do, but this Kratos is good. But please, if you do one thing the next time you come, fix the dark serpent glitch!

I think i'll make a showcase for this :af2:

Lol, if you hold side B in air he'll use it repeatedly and glide across the stage. Anyway, this version is really good, I like judgement better this time as well.

I have a few things to say:
1: When you do side B on the ground it makes your character freeze in place after the attack 50% of the times. This was done on the OverPowered version.
2: The OP version isn't really all that OP. Might want to give it higher Knockback and damage, attacks themselves are fantastic.
3: I have recorded the brawl and will edit and upload it later.

oh i fixed that about side B. I have replaced the main file.....yeah, the OP version isn't really strong, he just has instant spell cast. I'll buff up some attacks right now and upload it again lol, i forgot to give him moar speed.

The speed, yeah i forgot to mention that. So do you want the match or should i redo it with the improved OP?

OH and quick fun fact, i beat 3 DivineOverlord's with my PrideToBeMe Persona PSA :af:
I even beat 3 PTBM as PTBM :srs: I'm too epic :af2:

oh yeah,  :nyeh: 3 Divineoverlord's marths? dang must've been tough.

mabye you should make his down smash guardian field instead. scince it hits on the floor and on boths sides of him in ToS and Tales of vesperia =3

haha nice xD

so you took my serpent thingy into consideration i see? :P

its too broken in the air xD
you should make it throw him into free fall afterwards. cause i kept going back and forth under final destination with it :P

if you do go along with guardian field as a down smash, then  you should probably replace his first up-taunt spell with... first aid. that way it has to have some charge to cast it. but make it heal like 10% or something o.o"

and lower the distance of his up b xD

change explosion to eruption cause the fire you displayed looks amazing o_o"
and i LOVE how Judgement came out :DD


glad a few of my suggestions helped n_n'

oh okay, so you prefer eruption? do you think it would be cool to completely erase explosion and replace it with the other file spell i displayed?

Hum, honestly ADJSonic, about what you said, with the properties of this attack, I don't think it has real importance. I suppose you're talking about the last movement of his up B, which is a thrust. It is not really important to make this movement controlable, because in fact this last movement doesn't inflict any damage...

Divine Overlord: Have you already replaced the down smash with force field or guardian field? What did you chose after all? I hope it is force field personally, not because I don't like guardian field attack, but because if you didn't chose force field, it would probably mean that you can't make force field attack, which will be a great problem with Philia if you plan to do her.

I love this Psa but hate the Up B. I think the ending swirl should be controlable atleast to the right and left... I would think you would know how...

he's talking about the ending lag. using it and not grabbing the edge makes him a really big target.

he's talking about the ending lag. using it and not grabbing the edge makes him a really big target.

I hope a vertex of Kratos in his Cruxis outfit would be made, soon, as well. It'd e easier to do after Renk releases his Kratos.

No dude...just.....no...... About twice as many people are sick of mainstreem vertexes as there are the ones looking forward to it.

You see this is where you are just wrong.  Completely wrong.

People don't hate mainstream vertexes (heck look at all the people that loved Sephiroth and King R Rool by Aafyre.  Those are mainstream yet loved).  It's the lazy repeated efforts of stuff that people have already done that people dislike (see "Shadow the Hedgehog").

There's a big difference.  Wolfric was merely saying that he'd like to see a vertex of a character that's barely posted in the vault (you can't possibly say there is a lot as regards to Kratos?  He has one outdated vertex and one PSA by DivineOverlord).

There's still a lot of other characters that haven't even been touched thanks to mainstreem hackers  though. I'd list a few of them, but then you'd just rebuttle against that opinion too >_>

Kratos may not have tons of verexes, or tons of clones of the psa. (unlike shadow, though urs is the most acurate I've seen...) I'm just saying why not give other characters a chance too? You could always go back to them if you felt like it. There's already someone working on a kratos texture, that's why it seems overbearing to ask for another one. Though I wouldn't complain much :l at least it's a pretty decent game character rather than some overhyped Anime character who's a total mary sue (cough* sauske*cough*)

That's exactly my point, someone already IS working on another Kratos, so why request ANOTHER one? Does that make any more sense? I'd understand if this Kratos was already released(I'm talking about the VERTEX not the psa) but it's not. It's still being worked on, and a lot of people are already asking "Oh can you do Kratos in X outfit too??" (yeah I know not a LOT of people are doing it, but still) it's kind of silly. People are getting what they want, kratos, but they aren't getting it the way they want it, so they're asking for what they imagine the hack to be.

I hope a vertex of Kratos in his Cruxis outfit would be made, soon, as well. It'd be easier to do after Renk releases his Kratos.

Like I said, I'm not objecting to anything or disaproving it.

No dude...just.....no...... About twice as many people are sick of mainstreem vertexes as there are the ones looking forward to it.

>_>

Dude...I just meant he didn't need to ask for another kratos while one was STILL BEING WORKED ON at the same time he's asking for another one. Even though he said after it's finished, he's still asking for something else BEFORE the first thing is done, hence my point earlier.

It's called an opinion, so stop being a [censored] about every little thing I say..
I'm ending this argument, NOW, so unless you have anything reasonable against my PERSONAL opinion, I don't think you need to respond.

If you continue to be an ass like this, or at least in your previous post, I'm going to the mods. Cause frankly I don't feel like going any further with this childish act.

Am I allowed to have my own opinion? Apparently not, cause every time I do people B*f about it just cause of the way I worded it or what was said period.

>_>

Dude...I just meant he didn't need to ask for another kratos while one was STILL BEING WORKED ON at the same time he's asking for another one. Even though he said after it's finished, he's still asking for something else BEFORE the first thing is done, hence my point earlier.

It's called an opinion, so stop being a [censored] about every little thing I say..
I'm ending this argument, NOW, so unless you have anything reasonable against my PERSONAL opinion, I don't think you need to respond.

If you continue to be an ass like this, or at least in your previous post, I'm going to the mods. Cause frankly I don't feel like going any further with this childish act.

Am I allowed to have my own opinion? Apparently not, cause every time I do people B*f about it just cause of the way I worded it or what was said period.

This is really annoying... I hope Divine Overlord will come back soon on this topic to fix this because we're not talking anymore of Kratos Psa, it has become a debate on mainstreem vertexes and also on the way of "asking for a vertex".

I will explain why I put some ", it is my opinion of course.

Naru Zelda Master: I don't agree with you about mainstreem vertexes, but if this is your opinion, you have the right to have it and I have to respect it. I won't develop why I don't agree with you because it is the same than Silent Doom.

But there is one thing that I will develop, and it seems nobody saw it.

Wolfric: I'm sorry but you didn't asked yet for a new vertex.


I'm sorry but in my eyes, Wolfric made only a suggestion, he only said what new vertex he wanted to see. He didn't ask for a new vertex to be done because if it was the case,  there would have been a request in the vertex section about what he wants and besides he would have talked with someone who does vertex, but in our case, Wolfric didn't talked with anyone who make vertex to ask him doing his Cruxis outfit. I understand it can be annoying to see some people asking new vertex to be done when a vertex is not even finished, but right here, it is not the case as Wolfric didn't make any request! And this is the same for me, I didn't ask a new vertex to be done, I only made suggestions. And I don't think making suggestions for a new vertex is a real problem, why do you think there are some topics about vertex with polls allowing us to make suggestions for a new vertex to be done and even before the vertex someone is working on is not finished, in that case I know there are some different vertex that can be suggested, but also new vertex for a character still in working. I know this is probably not your way of doing some vertex, and I respect it because you're allowed to have your way on doing vertex, but it is in each sense, the others must respect your opinions like you said, your way of doing vertex, but you should also respect the other ways of doing vertex, and by this I mean the ways allowing us to make suggestions for a new vertex to be done for a character whose work is not finished.

Wolfric: NaruZeldaMaster called you an ass, which is really a bad thing because it sounds insulting, but you don't have to put yourself at the same level as him... I know he almost insulted you, but you don't have to do the same than him...

Anyway, I hope we'll soon come back on the subject, and in order to do this, I will call Divine Overlord because as I don't know if he already saw what happens here, someone needs to make him aware of this, it is his topic after all.

And by doing so, you're at the same level as him, besides I've never said that you insulted him directly, but what you did is as bad as what he has done. So, in the future, if a situation like this occurs again, please, don't do the same thing.

About the Kratos Psa, I suggest as the Kratos vertex will have the flamberge sword, to add fire effect for some attacks.

i just love how you said-
"But then you'd just rebuttle against that opinion too >_>"

:3

Hum... I don't know honestly if this is possible... But why do you want something like that? Just in order to have a two outfits in one Psa? Or something more specific?

Well, it'd not be applied in this PSA specifically, but let's say Cecil Paladin/Dark Knight, I think that character himself would be looked at for PSA'ing, someone would come up witha  naruto/Kyubi, etc. It'd open many doors, really. xD

haha I have no idea whats been going on here but ^ nice ideas about the paladin and dk

Ok. Now that it is truly official that the Kratos vertex will have Flamberge, I can ask that fire effect is added on some attacks, in fact his A attacks. (Because I think the artes are not affected by the effect of Flamberge.)

agreed. and a nice light red Glow would be nice to add whenever he's doing anything. but i think we should wait for him to Update the kratos a bit more. wouldn't want to have him make an extra release with only the Glow and fire effects as an update.

Is there any way to make a PSA of Kratos with Concentrate? (flinchless spell casting unless an A-smash is used)? I find it extremely difficult to cast any spells when playing in matches because everything cancels spells.. What I'm imagining here is kind of like Bowser's added flinch resistance is Brawl Minus if you know what I mean. He doesn't need invincibility, but just full launch resistance during spell casts.

Also, when casting the first spell in Light Mode, can you make the 1% healing effect work when casting spells/taunts too? (ANY button presses at all will stop the healing effects)
It would be optimal to have the healing spell work all the time except during walking.

By the way, I GREATLY appreciate everything you've done with this PSA. Truly Amazing!

Can you replace Dark Serpent with Gugnir?

Dark Serpent seems to be strange move for him.

Jet Aurion: Hum, sorry, but even if you find this move strange for him, this move is used by him in the game. It is a unisson attack.

Kratos! >D

that's 1 vote for kratos so far lol

I've been playing Tales of Symphonia again lately.
I could help you make the move-set more accurate if you want :P

ok, you can PM me the changes you think that should be made and I can follow it. things I know so far are:
-Change his spell casting stance
-Give him more damage resistence when casting a spell. any attack greater than 15 damages will cancel the spell cast.
- fix the spell over powered damage glitch.
- Fix his 3rd charge fire spell.
-Fix his Hell Pire animation
-Fix his dark serpent move.
-Fix his wait animation. and add a new one. wil base off video
- Change his jump in air to do a flip like he does in the video cut scene when he fights that girl that uses cards. Idk her name cuz i never played TOS before lol i think its sheena.

Pride: By accurate what do you mean?

Divine Overlord: According to Jet Aurion and Zeljius, the Dark serpent move should be replaced by an attack called gungnir.

One very important change according to me is to make some attacks deal fire damages as he will wear his flamberge sword. Of course, the down smash has to be changed too, and the attack that he makes when we keep the A button pressed has to be removed, kratos doesn't make quick slashes like that and is not so fast to do something like that...

About lighting blade and the chain super lighting blade, do you think it would be better for it to hit more easily the opponents? It is really hard to hit with those if I recall correctly...

Pride: Impossible. If he makes a gamecube only version, Shining bind disappears, as well as guardian field.

ok what other changes you guys want? and what would replace dark serpent?

Well Super Lightning Blade would be a cool side B.
Maybe Neutral B can be judgement instead then.
Maybe have Guardian on his down B. with a neutral end lagg like in ToS. (Except in the OP version of course xD)
Can you make Eruption look like eruption instead of an explosion?

@Psycho: Guardian field would be replaced by Guardian. It wouldn't be hard either, he has about 90% of the moves already.

I don't think it is too strong as a B special, watch Ike's B special or Ganondorf's. Of course, it is a high spell so it won't be instantly casted.

But there is something that appears obvious, it seems the moveset will be a lot remade. Prepare for some work Divine overlord! :laugh:

Edit: Hey! Just a minute! If you put Super lightning blade as side B, where does Lightning Blade goes?

Pride:? There is something that I want you to explain. Why do you put Guardian which is a complete defensive move as a down smash? And why do you put this move as the first spell too?

Guardian as first spell? It doesn't bother me, but what will be the effects? A little like Zelda's neutral B? Or Pit's shield?

Edit: Hey! Just a minute! If you put Super lightning blade as side B, where does Lightning Blade goes?

Hum, sorry but here I can't agree... Guardian is absolutely not a move made to inflict damages, as low they are. If you're talking about Guardian Field, I can understand, but not guardian... And Guardian as a down smash, honestly it's odd... Guardian Field can, but not Guardian...

What? A gamecube version will be made?

I didn't know that...

Divine Overlord: In that case, have you thought of what final smash you would put in this gamecube only version? Because you can't put Shining Bind.

But still, even in a gamecube version only, you can't put guardian inflicts damages to the opponents...

Hum, about lighting blade, I don't know why there should be three charges, there are only 2 moves, lighting blade, or super lighting blade. And besides, I'm sure some fans here won't absolutely be in favour of this, because it would probably remove the chain that Divine Overlord put, and which is a great signature of Kratos...

This gamecube only version will be a real problem, I prefer saying it to you now, because if it is made, it means no decent final smash! Shining bind is for Ps2 only... The only one other final smash that could work is to give him his angel form, but good luck to do that! And besides, giving him his angel form as a final smash is not a good idea for me, it is my opinion.

The moves that can be put and can really fit kratos as down smash, are guardian field, a ps2 move, or forcefield, and by forcefield I mean Philia's forcefield. Kratos surronds him by light that inflicts damages to opponents, just like in Shining Bind in fact. Or there is Victory light spear, but the problem is the animation for this attack.

Like i said, it's an idea ;) Divine is actually the one who could anticipate this the best for us xD

Anyway, to answer the PM you send me. My favorites are in this order: Kratos, Lloyd, Sheena and Genis. They are my team every moment i can :laugh: Judgment, The Eternal Sword, Origin and Indignation Judgment FTW :P

I will send you a private message about one project. Go read it when you can.

Yeah it would be fun to play some of them.

You're lucky, it is confidential. Of course, the taunts can be modified in order to be more like in the spirit of Super Smash bros brawl.

Anyway, it is too bad that I don't have a model of Kratos like those which will be used in these projects. Because if it was the case, I suppose the victory light spear movement would be really much easier to do. And some others as well.

I can easily make an appropriate moveset for Kratos, it should be really easy to do, but the problem behind are the animations to make. Almost all of the animations you saw in the moveset I gave you are already ready. And, as I don't like clones, I would try to make a different gameplay, this should be harder to do but still possible.

And besides, there is an other problem, I am not the one who requested this moveset. I can influence the moveset of course, but I have no right to change completely the moveset.

But it is true that Kratos should be a bit slower.

Oh, something I have to ask, is it possible to put wings as an external graphical effect and make them appear when we want? And I ask this for Marth.

yup we can put wings. do you wanna edit the yoshi's wing to look like angel kratos wings?

Some of the better pictures of his wings:
These show his wings quite nicely. Last picture is from the OVA i believe.

Happy that my skills about finding wings have helped you! :laugh: I searched a lot, but when I found this I said myself, oh my good, what a good find! :laugh:

You make a simple slash in super smash bros brawl and the opponent will wait peacefully to be hit by a spell? Ridiculous!

Ugh... Not him again... I don't know what that guy has against me... (He contradicts EVERYTHING I say.)

Anyway, Look at this Kratos Combo:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1UpibKrhk4[/url]

Having it in a way, used like the video above. Used to activate a solo insta-spell. Because Tales of characters don't have actual grab moves, (well most of them) So instead of thinking of a custom pummel and throw animations, that Kratos would have a simple slash and magic for throws.

Pride: Psycho never said it wasn't possible, he only stated it's absurd for Kratos, which I'm storngly inclined to agree.

You make a simple slash in super smash bros brawl and the opponent will wait peacefully to be hit by a spell? Ridiculous!

The grabs imply automatically a use of an hand or a tool to make the opponent come next to you so that you can hold him, then you can hit him! And you want to remove that? You're completely contradictory against the spirit of Super smash, because the grabs that I say exist from the very beginning, from super smash bros on n64. And the hittings when grabbed exist from Super smash bros melee, and it is universal for all characters, this is something absolutely necessary! How can you suggest to remove something like this, especially when it is truly possible to respect that?

I'm a huge fan of TOS myself, but I haven't tried this for lazyness and 'cause I'm still messing around with Sephy, but I've read everything that's been said in the whole 18 pages, if you're going for a TOS1 Kratos, which'd be the FS, Pride?

Zeljius: Sorry, but I'm calm, and I'm also stating my opinion which I completely try to put as objective as possible, if you're talking about Royal Blade said, this is what I have done. And as I'm objective like this, if something is completely unacceptable, I say it, after all, this is the part of the opinion, and this is not a problem to prove that what he says is completely idiot, I'm not insulting him, so I don't see what the problem is. Besides, he had the right to state his opinion, so why don't I have the right to state my opinion too as harsh it can be? As long as I don't insult him, I have this right! I respect his opinion, he has the right to have an opinion and express it, but as he has this right, other people also have the right to criticize it, even if it is harsh. And I hope Royal Blade will read this, I have my own reasons that I would like him to do this, but for now, I won't say anything more.

I didn't insulted his opinion, I proved that his opinion was completely wrong and shouldn't be added in the game, and I explained to what point. I don't see any problem here.

@Zeljius- i got your ideas most of it are good. i'll see what i can do.

Opinions are subjective; they aren't exactly right or wrong because everyone has a different view of what's right or wrong. In this case, there is no right or wrong, only opinions; and it's inevitable that people's views will conflict on this matter. (You thinking that 15-25% is good for overlimit mode, and I that a much greater number is.)

@Phillia: Okay, now that's just Ignorance xD

...Sigh... Why is that ignorance? Never leave something to the open, you'd just have to say "I don't care" and that's it.

Hey Divine, how's it going? Not just PSA-wise, but life-wise to xD

DO, your Kratos PSA is truly amazing, I love it! :happy: It brings out the true essence of ToS and the moves you picked for him were an awesome choice.
Great job man! ;D

Everything is going good so far. Just been busy with school lately but luckily final exams are just four weeks away =). Then, I'll be on spring break...


I'll work more on kratos this thursday, and will probably release my Freya PSA this weekend.

I came
It's amazing! :happy:
Thought i ment something else didn't you? xD

Royal Blade: The down smash is called Demon Swarm, if you have already read the presentation, you should know it, but you're right this time, it looks like Sword Rain Alpha and I already asked it to be changed because it has strictly nothing to do in Kratos's moves, in Emil's moves it would be good, or in Lloyd's moves, but here... And for the light Spear attack, Divine Overlord did what he could, especially with a program that wasn't so good that it is now, so maybe he can change it, but still, I think it will be hard to make the real move, and Victory light spear too.

A question that came to my mind just now, what do you plan to do with the aerial moves? Do you plan to change them to make them fit better Kratos or do you plan to leave them like this? Because I'm pretty sure this question wasn't really asked before...

And obviously, yeah his Tos battle stance would be better. But it is also a little hard for him, he seems not to have played to the game so...

Oh? About the aerials, no wonder I didn't know, I haven't seen your ideas, and it's normal of course.

Here are some videos:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJGlsQJTpHc[/url]
watch from 7:00 to 8:58 he uses them quite often cause of Arche.

I recently realized that the downward slash looks similar to Ike's NAir.
([url]http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7523/slashcomparison.jpg[/url])
See? So it should be fine as Kratos' NAir.

Barbatos seem like such an [censored] xD

I like your drawing :P
and your enthusiasm for a Kratos PSA :D

Edit: Divine, you should look into these two videos Royal Provided above, the Ground slashes and ariels look like they would look great for the kratos PSA :D

Divine... can you please answer my PMs >.>

I asked if you started Godly Zero >.>

which pm? I have 900 messages in my inbox haha

Haha! With renkaken's flamberge vertex, thunder blade has the flamberge releasing lightning! XD I believe that would need fixing.

Also, the flamberge is too big for the sheath. so it looks weird during his victories and side taunt. (and the old idle) Could that be fixed so that it looks normal whenever he sheaths the blade?

And Victory Light Spear for USmash? isn't that the up special? or did you mean Light Spear Cannon?

Other than that, I think Sasuke and Roy will be taking their seats. Cause Mr. Badass is here to blame some fate! (If that makes sense. XD)

Oh, is the fireball in Hell Pyre a projectile? (not like the previous beta where it'd reach only to ground level.)

I also fixed the spell over damage glitch.

would anyone be able to import voices to kratos' file?

I recall Philia was going to make a voice pack.

Great!

Now what about what I mentioned earlier, about the sword extending as if it were a beam sword. Has that been fixed yet?

Also, the effects during his DTilt, DashAttack, Light Spear series (excluding LSCannon), DSmash, NAir, and DAir. are those supposed to be there? Cause I think they extend the hitbox in some of the moves.

And sonic thrust is too fast. ingoring the words of Kratos, "Sonic.. Too Slow!" Slow it down cause it's as spammable as Metaknights DTilt. And like I said above, the effects affect underneath the sword when he thrusts and it seems to have high priority. (From my view)

Edit:
What glitch was that?

I could try it. Since I would like to help in anyway possible.

Also, would you like stock icons, cause i could make some customs ones if you'd like?

I recall Philia was going to make a voice pack. is it even possible to import voices into a PSA file?

Same! He's gonna be so awesome!

So Divine, do you plan on including color schemes? as i said earlier (it's on the last page) I know someone who has ToVS and can get the colors they provided.

Fliptocat, i miss your vaatie Sprite D:

Damian, can you make kratos a bit heavier?
probably somewhere around lke's weight would suit him better.

Done.

color schemes? hmm nah, I don't plan on working on that. feel free to make them. I'm just gonna work on the PSA and animations.

Gugnir? That would be weird. It would have to act like a Falcon Punch. (Auto Charge then a release) Having him charge up light then releasing it in a blast. If you do include this make it put him helpless if in the air.

But my suggestion is this:
-Move Lightning Blade (w/ S.Lightning Blade) to side special. (also, use the same animation for sonic thrust. it would look nice.)
-Move Sonic Thrust to Side Tilt.
-Move Demon Fang to Neutral Special. (and remove the upward demon fang. i find its weird.
-Change the Neutral Attack to Forward Slash > Upward Slash.
-Down Tilt is the Horizontal Slash with a twist.

Before I explain this. you should give Kratos Spell Charge. (Shield while charging to hold the charge.) Only after the second or third spell charge. (If used after the first, it cancels the spell completely.)

Now, back to the Down Tilt. So Kratos will slash. And if he has a spell charged, he will release a novice spell ONLY. (Depending on taunt thing that affects spells.)

Up-Light/Healing/Water- "First Aid": (Remove it from the up taunt) This restores 5%-25% depending on your damage percentage.
Side-Lightning/Wind- "Wind Blade": 3 small blades of wind strike in front of kratos. 2-3% per blade.
Down-Fire/Earth- "Stone Blast": Bits of stone rise from the ground. 3 Hits. 2-3% per hit.

If there is NO charge, then Kratos will just slash.

i cant tell what to say about your suggestions. Cause i agree and disagree with you on several things.

but the U-tilt demonfang should be removed. i think its odd.
perhaps something similar to marth's U-tilt would be more appropriate.

Fliptocat, i miss your vaatie Sprite D:

Are you referring to the Demon Fang tilt Wolfric?

Btw, Could anyone help me (or at least refer me) as to how I could make color scheme? (In General)

^That's true.

I'm surprised Philia hasn't said anything yet. (And I'm dreading that moment.)

@Royal_Blade - by color schem do you mean just editing the color of the texture?

Yeah. What else did you have in mind?

Ok, I read all what was posted while I was left, and of course, I have some things to say!

Firstly, and this is absolutely not tied to Royal Blade, but to Divine Overlord, because he is the one who talked about it:

It is too bad indeed that Kratos won't probably get a shield. But in the game Tos, Kratos doesn't wear all the time a shield, when he is equipped with gloves, he doesn't have shield. So, the absence of shield is too bad because most of the time he has a shield, but it is not a mistake if we're take Tales of symphonia and play it.

An other thing to you, Divine Overlord: I played again with Kratos recently, and I saw the neutral attack when you arrive to the point where he makes a lot of hits, does 4 hits. It is absolutely not what Kratos should do. If you want a neutral attack for Kratos that reflects his Tos playstyle, you have only two choices, three hits, or 6 hits, with the specifical skill equipped. Make your choice, but change this because 4 for Kratos, it's bad from a Tales of point of view. However it could have worked on Lloyd, because he can make three hits or 4 with his basic attack, but it's not important.

Now about Royal Blade:

You're talking about Gungnir, and I already said my opinion, but for the occasion, I will say it again. I don't care if the Gungnir is put in this moveset, but as I already said, Gungnir is absolutely not the same type of movement that Dark Serpent. Dark Serpent with the architecture could allow Kratos to come back on the battlefield as he goes behind the opponent and travels a long distance. It would not be the case for Gungnir, it is not a real problem, but if Dark Serpent is removed, we have to take this into consideration, because Kratos will only have one move to come back. It is not a problem, but it has to be noticed.

You also said how this move would work, like Captain Falcon's Falcon Punch? Hum... Oh, excuse me, I have to go, it seems someone other than me wants to express himself. See you later!
*Run very fastly.*
([url]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3734/sanstitrerlm.jpg[/url])

BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAA!!!!

You said you wanted this attack to work as Captain Falcon's punch, so why do you want it to put Kratos in helpless mode if it is used in air?! This move if it is used in air, is already a great waste of time like Captain Falcon's punch, because when you're charging, you can't move. I know this move allows Kratos to move forward when he does it, but very little, in truth you move less than if you didn't used this move. So why putting him in helpless mode, and besides, Captain falcon's punch doesn't put him in helpless mode in air! I really don't see what is the logic behind this... And finally, you say Gungnir is weird? It is a Kratos move, and as you said yourself, which is the most ironic, it acts exactly like Captain Falcon's punch, even in the game, with the only difference that your opponent is forced to be hit... So there is absolutely nothing weird here, and it is a fact! Now my work is finished here.

*Goes away.*
I think it doesn't need any additions, so I will continue.

About lightning blade put in Side Special:

As a side special? It is a possibility... But it is not the point that I find the most interesting. The most interesting point is that this move should have the animation of Sonic Thrust. I know that originally in the game, they have exactly the same animation. But here, it is different, you said the exact same animation, so for me it is the same properties. But when you do Lightning Blade, you move forward, which is absolutely not the case of the animation that is used for Sonic Thrust. So, it is a bad idea, from a pure factual point of view because maybe it is not what you thought of, but in the facts, this is what will happen if we follow you absolutely from what you said.

Sonic Thrust as a Side Tilt:

I don't see any problem here, it is a possibility, but in that case, we need to find a good move as a down tilt...

About Demon fang:

Remove the upward demon fang according to me is not a bad thing, for two reasons. The first is obviously because absolutely no Tales of characters can make a move like this, and here it is really weird to see this. They can use a demon fang that acts in air, but never being on ground and sending a wave up to 45 degree. And besides, the way to activate it, it is a little pain, most of the time you use hell pyre instead of it. So it would be a good thing to remove it indeed. Now, the demon fang put as a neutral B, it's a possibility again, but it's a little similar to Lloyd's Psa. It's not a real problem of course, but still, it would be better to make something a little different. After that, it's true, the place of this attack is a pure matter of "taste". But there is one thing that we don't need to forget, Demon Fang is an attack that is very important in the world of Tales of, it's an attack that we see very often. So completely remove it would be really too bad. Besides, it is the only immediate projectile that Kratos has, and it doesn't make him overpowered because it inflicts poor damages, and besides, it can't eject.

About the neutral attack:

There is no comments to do because all my opinion about this is put in what I said to Divine Overlord.

The down Tilt now, which is according to me.... Excuse me, it seems an other girl wants to express herself. Sorry!

*Runs fastly.*

([url]http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3437/sanstitrehn.jpg[/url])

So, you want to use the spell charge skill taken from Tales of Symphonia. A very bad idea. We're in Super Smash Bros Brawl, Kratos is already really powerful, and all what you do with this is to give him an other way to cast magic which is so fast that it is making him completely overpowered. If this idea is used, what will happen? We will always use this skill, making the cast of spell for first charge completely useless, and it was originally implemanted for this... Besides, if other people don't know, the spell charge in Tos game works like this, when you make the slash, the spell is casted immediately, Kratos doesn't even do the pose to cast magic, it is casted immediately, so it means while the spell is casted, he can still move, which would be a too great advantage for him in Brawl. And besides, like this he would be able to heal himself without chance to being interrupted? Ridiculous! Even in an overpowered version, I don't think it can work, because after all, the first spells in overpowered version are removed, as level 3 spells are casted immediately, if I follow what Divine Overlord said, and casting Judgement like this won't be fair at all, because a down tilt stronger than a smash.... And 25% even if you're at great damage is really really high, I think 20% is already high (the amount Divine Overlord put.)

So, I will go back to my quest about finding a hero.

*Goes away.*

It doesn't need any addition again, excepted the fact that it is the worse idea on your previous post. And besides, all this is nice, but, where do you put Gungnir if we make things like this?

And be careful about the aerials of Tovs, a swordsman like him in Brawl, it would be a little unfair if in a Up aerial he could attack people directly above him like Marth's up smash and at almost the same time people next to him. And the Tovs Kratos's style doesn't at all correspond at the fighting style he has in Tos, and as some people wants a Kratos closer than what he is in Tos, I think it will need to be modify if we use the aerials of Tovs. The neutral aerial even if it is one of the aerials I hate the most in all the ssbb game, can work, I hate this type of aerial, but still it can work and this is what is important, nothing more to say about it, the down aerial the thrust is not appropriated. Did you already saw an aerial which attacks only at 45 degree down and not below you? Besides all moves like this involving degree that exist in Brawl involve 25 degree, and a fall.  And these are basic attacks, be careful about this too, because I know we can't use artes for all attacks, but if the neutral attack doesn't eject correctly as it is a basic attack, the logic wants the other basic attacks doesn't eject correctly, and if there are three basic attacks like this as aerials, I can already say Kratos will have some difficults to eject in air, which in a Tos point of view would be good, but not in Brawl so good in Brawl...

I think all is said. Divine overlord, now it's up to you.

Zeljius: About the paragraph, here maybe, I don't really count what is my biggest paragraph you know! :laugh:

But there is something very interesting in what you says, you say you want Kratos to be more like a Brawled out, can you be more precise please? Because, I know in a way where you want to go, but not enough precise, but I'm sure it's very important to talk about this!

hmm.. and example would be Ganondorf thunderstomp. its an amazing move that i could see ganon doing if he could jump that high in twilight princess, but he's never done it xD

As a side special? It is a possibility... But it is not the point that I find the most interesting. The most interesting point is that this move should have the animation of Sonic Thrust. I know that originally in the game, they have exactly the same animation. But here, it is different, you said the exact same animation, so for me it is the same properties. But when you do Lightning Blade, you move forward, which is absolutely not the case of the animation that is used for Sonic Thrust. So, it is a bad idea, from a pure factual point of view because maybe it is not what you thought of, but in the facts, this is what will happen if we follow you absolutely from what you said.

Sonic Thrust as a Side Tilt:

I don't see any problem here, it is a possibility, but in that case, we need to find a good move as a down tilt...

So, you want to use the spell charge skill taken from Tales of Symphonia. A very bad idea. We're in Super Smash Bros Brawl, Kratos is already really powerful, and all what you do with this is to give him an other way to cast magic which is so fast that it is making him completely overpowered. If this idea is used, what will happen? We will always use this skill, making the cast of spell for first charge completely useless, and it was originally implemanted for this... Besides, if other people don't know, the spell charge in Tos game works like this, when you make the slash, the spell is casted immediately, Kratos doesn't even do the pose to cast magic, it is casted immediately, so it means while the spell is casted, he can still move, which would be a too great advantage for him in Brawl. And besides, like this he would be able to heal himself without chance to being interrupted? Ridiculous! Even in an overpowered version, I don't think it can work, because after all, the first spells in overpowered version are removed, as level 3 spells are casted immediately, if I follow what Divine Overlord said, and casting Judgement like this won't be fair at all, because a down tilt stronger than a smash.... And 25% even if you're at great damage is really really high, I think 20% is already high (the amount Divine Overlord put.)

imma agree with Gungir not going into freefall.
and i think if Gungir would be put on kratos i'd take the place of Dark Serpent o.o"

and i think the Kratos PSA should be a little more like a "Brawled Out" Kratos, instead of just straight up kratos.

Originally, the first charge spell is what is used for the down tilt. In the overpowered version, there is only one charge, the level 3 charge, which is in fact casted immediately. I don't know how if the spell charge is put, how it would work for the overpowered version, but if there is only one charge, I suppose it would be the judgment, thunder blade and explosion, that will be used, which is completely absurd.

And Sonic thrust as a down tilt is fine because your idea of horizontal slash shouldn't be used in any aspect, I don't think it would suit Kratos to make an arte like this while dashing, he has to stop himself before doing it, which is not really why a dash attack is used...

He can't have all of his ground moves an arte???

*Watching the moveset posted in page 1.*

Ah, it's funny, all grounded moves excepted the neutral A attack and the dash attack are artes, and it was really good like this, but I thought it was impossible, in fact it is, this is the truth! Then I don't see why we should put a merely basic slash like this as a down tilt to replace Sonic Thrust, I know this slash can be used without spell charge, from the very beginning, but still Sonic Thrust as a down tilt was very good, so I don't see any need of replace it with a merely basic attack.

And I was talking about Sonic Thrust as a dash attack which don't fit Brawl dash attacks, in the case you didn't understood... When I was talking about an arte like this, the arte was Sonic Thrust...

When I was talking about an arte like this, the arte was Sonic Thrust...

The only basic attack his has is his Neutral Attack.

It's false, for now, all his aerials and his dash attack are basic attacks. And I'm pretty sure some aerials will still be basic attacks.

This always works for me [url]http://www.filehippo.com/download_the_gimp/[/url]

Zeljius: It is already a little the case, with Spread for example, and Cyclone (even if Cyclone it's true needs to be changed.) But it's true it can be more like Brawl, but still it will have to fit him too, those two elements are required. This is probably why I will make some aerials suggestions that are not used in the game, but will fit him perfectly.

-We'll Keep gungnir for side special? I'm fine with that. (No Helpless)
-Demon Fang can stay side tilt
-Sonic Thrust can be the dash attack.
-DTilt can be the Horizontal Slash. (With or without Spell Charge, it doesn't matter)

If you were not so lazy, and didn't typed abbreviations, maybe I wouldn't have made this mistake, and besides, taking a moveset from a fan game like this is the last thing I would have thought, I didn't even know there were Smash bros fan games, and according to me in this discussion, it worth absolutely nothing, because we're talking about the true Brawl, but be careful, it is only my opinion...

Oh, as a dash attack, I think Light spear can be really really really really really good! Or, we can just let the dash attack as it is now, it suits him well too, not so well than the light spear attack obviously because it is the best attack in all the project in fact, no I'm wrong, the best idea that was thought in the whole history of humanity, but it suits him well though.

Sonic Thrust as dash attack? Why the hell didnt i think of that!? xD
Sounds like a great idea in my opinion :D

The frames for Fierce demon fang, I suppose you want to make it faster? I wouldn't say that this is really needed, it doesn't annoy me, what annoys me is that the blade eject and inflicts damage, normally it shouldn't, it is only the shockwave that is important. It can be explained because the base of this attack is Marth's forward smash animation, but in Tos, Fierce demon fang animation is different. If the animation can't be modified, which I can easily understand, in that case, make the blade doesn't inflict damage, like demon fang attack in fact, it would be much more representative of Kratos, and this time the shockwave will work all the time.

This is a move from Tales of Eternia, as I heard.

Read the first page about the Up special. It's becomes really tiring...

In that case you're lucky, about the voices of Kratos, because it was planned long time ago that I make the japanese voices. I prefer the japanese voices too, the english is still good, excepted the Shining Bind that I really hate...

And besides, the japanese voices are a wink to Kenpachi of Bleach! :laugh:

Oh, Royal Blade, an information for you: Each time I will make voices for a Tales of character, they will be automatically in japanese, it's as simple as that! But for english, I will make only Kratos, he will be my last character in english voice, here it is said.

i love the english voices! xD

he sounds like an old man in the japanese =.='

for the way he looks, that voice was not tolerable. in my opinion at least :P

so if you can, i'd like english voices too. for me :D
because you're nice:3

The Emil's icons are better though it's true, but I don't think it is the same difficulty... Good luck for Kratos's icons.

Ok, so made some little inspections about Kratos's sounds, which were almost already organized, but I saw a problem which is rather annoying...

When you make sound hacking, you have to know the precise time of the sound you want to insert, and about these Kratos sounds, I have no way to do it immediately...  Originally I can use brawlbox in order to make a new brstm and choose a sound like this to know the time it has, but with these sounds, it doesn't work at all! And if it doesn't work at all, I wonder if it will work if I want to put them in Brawl, I will see this when I will begin the replacement... But it is not a really good news...

Ok, I've started on Kratos' stock icon. Here is his original costume color.

([url]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2241/kratosstockbeta.png[/url])

It's a general look as to the position and angle of Kratos.

What do you guys think?

And I am impressed with how the hair turned out.

The hair is awesome. His face.. It's a little chubby.

I think the hair is really well done. But, the problem that I have with this stock icon is easily fixable, but nobody mentioned it. The colors of Kratos shoulder are purple right? But in this stock icon, when I watch it, I don't really have this impression, I don't know if it is done on purpose or not, but still if it is not done on purpose, it looks a little strange, the purple of the costume and of the stock icon doesn't look the same...

And about the face, I think the expression made by the mouth reflects what he is well, the only problem that I have is that when I watch it, I have the impression that he has one eye which is closed... I don't know if it the case, but it is what I feel when I watch this icon, and this is too bad. If it could be fixed, it would be good.

his other eye is covered by his hair. and i will find a better purple.

oh ArcSage, what position do you plan on using? I thought of either his Radiant Mythology/ToVS styled magic cast frame or one with his sword up infront of his face.

Btw, his Radiant Mythology/ToVS magic cast look like this:
[url]http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/albums/userpics/10002/c20090417_tovs_14_cs1w1_480x272.jpg[/url] ([url]http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/albums/userpics/10002/c20090417_tovs_14_cs1w1_480x272.jpg[/url])

And for the dimensions, I don't know.

^_^ finally got home from finance class. Now gonna work on Kratos again ;D

If you desire to help us ArcSage, it is good, but can you make something better than this, because it is already good.

([url]http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab174/renkaken/broul/CSP/Roy%203/Kratos.png[/url])

If you desire to help us ArcSage, it is good, but can you make something better than this, because it is already good.

([url]http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab174/renkaken/broul/CSP/Roy%203/Kratos.png[/url])

At least if you desire to help us, maybe you can make some recolors using this CSP. But you should ask to renkaken a permission to recolor it, he is the one who made it.

Yeah, they are good. For imported Kratos, because when you select Kratos with a Csp like this and see what he looks like in battle, it is a desillusion. Firstly, the face doesn't truly match, and finally, the most important, the sword doesn't match at all.

I thought I was making the recolors for Kratos? I've already got permission from renkaken to recolor his flamberge vertex.

I'm just working on the stock icons atm.

All this is really nice, but it absolutely not says to Divine Overlord what exact animation of Marth you see for the attack demon fang, and Divine Overlord is not alone...

Edit: Ok, now we know much better, but the animation itself is probably not enough if we want to be the closest as possible to the original animation of Demon Fang.

.....

Hum... I confirm it, I will never use an icon like this even for different colors, it would make me make nightmares when I sleep...

It's well done of course, it's true, you spent time on it, it can be seen, but I hate this, it is not Kratos anymore in my opinion.... But, it does its function, acting as a recolor.

Also, we can still make the CSP's for other people who want them.

And about the image I gave you, the image is really good itself, I'm not the one who made it but it is really good. And this is because it is so good that this image was the one you recolored and I absolutely agreed on the fact that it was this image which need to be recolored, for those who will use recolors of course, which will never be my case.

Well, I found a more efficient way to color the image which I plan to use for the rest of the colors too. Here's the latest on Kratos's Red CSP.
Tell me what you think.


          Before                              After

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_nmW8Gbp9PWI/TXFXwJH66aI/AAAAAAAAADY/rvircBfX2Vc/Kratos%20%28Red%29.png) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_nmW8Gbp9PWI/TXKgz8MDZpI/AAAAAAAAAEI/OTr-Z5-o0yw/Kratos%20%28Red%29.png)

Well, I found a more efficient way to color the image which I plan to use for the rest of the colors too. Here's the latest on Kratos's Red CSP.
Tell me what you think.


          Before                              After

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_nmW8Gbp9PWI/TXFXwJH66aI/AAAAAAAAADY/rvircBfX2Vc/Kratos%20%28Red%29.png) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_nmW8Gbp9PWI/TXKgz8MDZpI/AAAAAAAAAEI/OTr-Z5-o0yw/Kratos%20%28Red%29.png)

I think the texture and CSP looks great, and would definitely want to see more :)

One thing that I didn't noticed before, and this is a default, a small default, but still a default, try pick the icon made by Renkaken, and compare it with ALL your recolors.

Now, do what I say. Try finding three little circles, there are two on the left, and one on the right. Do you notice the difference between your recolors and Renkaken's icon? Why is there this difference? Is it on purpose or is it a mistake? It's small, I know, but I think it needs to be mentioned.

A question, do you plan, if you know of course to make a BSP of Kratos? I don't know if it is this name, but I mean the square where we select Marth, turning it into Kratos, do you plan to do this? And do you plan to alter the square in battle where we see marth and put Kratos? And finally, do you plan to remove the name Marth to add the name Kratos?

Yeah I'm asking to you.

About the Bsp, I don't think an actual image of Kratos would work. You imagine, you see a square featuring the true Kratos and in fact you have a Marth with his costume and his hair? There's a too great difference, it's the same as Csp, according to me of course.

I'm not talking about stock icons as you probably figured out, because Royal Blade is making them. I'm talking of this.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iSpl5iCu0k[/url]

You see where you have the name mario? Above it, there's a square featuring Mario's face. This is the square I'm talking about. But maybe changing the Bsp would change it too, but as I absolutely don't know...

Oh? It works like this for the names? I can't confirm or deny I don't know at all, but it would be good indeed to know...

It would have been a pleasure to test it, but I won't, I'm completely "out", so I will take a rest. But if nobody has tested it before I come back, be sure I will test it and tell you how it looks like in game. Really sorry.

The CSP recolors are good. The green and blue will take more time for me to see which color would have a better fit. (You could try to do the same to make things easier. If you want.)

Could you sharpen the character face image? And If you can, try for a white outline like Brawl's.

And I would be glad to test them. Although I'm not sure if they'll work cause I haven't gotten any others to work properly...

Oh, have the victories and taunts been changed yet? I was just thinking about it. It would also help Philia. Here are some suggestions that I have.
For Victory suggestions:
-Kratos swings his sword then sheathes it. Saying, "Blame Your Fate."
@ 0:30 in this vid: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cv2F3Lltuk[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cv2F3Lltuk[/url]) (Not so great quality)
-Kratos turns around. Saying "That's That."
@ 2:40 in this vid: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yft4hsY595w&feature=related[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yft4hsY595w&feature=related[/url])
-His JP exclusive victory. We can mix other lines together or just make him do grunts.
@ 0:27 in this vid: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1UpibKrhk4&feature=related[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1UpibKrhk4&feature=related[/url])

For Taunt suggestions:
- Use the one at the end of this video. (Down Taunt would work.)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCuLDruhjWI[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCuLDruhjWI[/url])
- Use his unison attack animation. (JUST the animation. Not the effect.)
@ 2:33 in this vid: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdKwT1ckbfQ&feature=related[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdKwT1ckbfQ&feature=related[/url])
-*I Don't Know*

...
Awesom stuff Im seing here
But Before I was a vertexer I was (and still) portratizer so gonna help
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So, Pride released a Dark Red Kratos heres a link [url]http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17326&Moderated=All&facebook=true[/url]
That was all

I never announced that I beginned working on the japanese voices, so there is no progress. I need to make one more experiment but I was taken by the project Emil in order to fix some glitches. And besides, even if I made progress, you wouldn't benefit this progress because you probably don't use a japanese brsar unlike me.

You have a japanese brsar too? In that case, you should probably be one of the first excluding me who will be able to try them. I will think about you in that case to try it when it will be finished for the japanese brsar.

When I said I will think about you, I thought it was obvious, I said I will think about you to try the japanese voices when it will be completely done, which will be obviously after tomorrow as I won't probably work on it right now. I still don't have beginned to truly work on it, only made some experiments, so...