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AAA combo - I'm not sure if you fixed this (I kinda did in my version) but it didn't connect properly at all in v3.5.  You could very easily block and shield out of it.  Also, I got complaints about the knockback of the final hit being too low.  If you didn't change that, that is definitely something I would recommend changing (merely passing on the constructive criticisms I got to you to make this better).  I also got complaints that the damage was too high and should be lowered to about 8%.

F Tilt - The v3.5 one looked cool, but the fact that it always hit the foe behind you made it a bit useless in both edgeguarding, attacking and defending.  This new one however, seems to not only remedy this but it makes the move look even cooler.  Nice job with this one

U Tilt - If this is the same as v3.5, I'd lower the damage and VERY slightly increase the knockback.  When I was using it for both your and my PSAs I found it to be a really abusable combo tool.  I lowered it to 5 or 6% methinks, but you do what you want.

D Tilt - I got complaints about how he jerks forward in the move, so I changed it completely.  I recommend you do something similar so that you avoid the same complaint.  I also changed it because with the jerk forward it's just Ike's D Tilt.  But again, you can do what you want.

Dash Attack - This is a strange one.  It's completely changed from the v3.5 one, so I can only judge by the animation.  Looking at the animation, I'd say I don't really like it too much.  Mainly because of how Cloud swings his sword over his head.  Neither his hand, arm or shoulder move during the animation (only the sword) so it looks a bit unnatural.

F Smash - The same basically except slower and stronger by the looks of it.  I'm not really gonna comment here.  You can do what you want with this move

U Smash - Again the same, but I personally don't like how he deals damage during the charge, especially when it's only one hit that comes in at a random time.  I didn't think it really suited.  Not to mention it can also throw off how you execute the move as well from time to time.

D Smash - Same complaint as the U Smash but also the timing of when the fireballs and hitboxes come out.  I think they should come out once he actually pounds the ground, rather than when he moves his hand up to attack.  It would make a bit more sense imo.  But that's a fairly minor complaint

N Air - It looks like it was in v3.5.  The animation was awesome, but the attack's hitboxes were weird in the sense that there was such a large gap between the initial hit and the next/last hit.  I think you should use the N Air hitboxes that I used since they make the move more useful.

F Air - No complaints here.  The move was always awesome.  I left it be for my PSA and it seems you did the same since this was probably one of Cloud's most well done moves.

B Air - I think this should actually be a bit more like the F Air.  It does a large upwards slice that looks powerful but the flag is a simple slash.  I think the aura one would work better.

U Air - Same as the F Air.  This was also one of Cloud's most well done moves.

D Air - In v3.5 this was similar to the N Air in the fact that it looked great, but was impractical.  It hits the foe at a random sort of 30 degree angle behind you i.e. a useless position considering the end lag of the D Air and the lack of range on the B Air.  It lacked combo and edgeguarding potential and ended up putting Cloud in a worse position than the opponent (since the low hitstun made it so that the enemy could actually attack you afterwards).  I don't think you should do it how I did, but simply find another way to make it more useful (though the new range of the new B Air may make it a bit more useful).

F Throw - Only minor complaint I have about this throw is that the foe just sort of gains momentum.  It's a bit confusing to explain, but I think he needs to keep the opponent on the sword for a bit longer since at the moment it kinda looks as though he's just poking them with the sword XD

U Throw - I like this one.  The animation swap from Falcon's Beam Sword/Homerun Bat/Fan F Smash worked pretty dang well.

B Throw - Same as Ike's most likely.  It works I guess.  I changed it for mine but you don't have to XP

D Throw - Only complaint I have is the angle in which it sends the foe.  I don't think it really makes sense for the foe to go forward since he stabs them downwards.  I think it should spike the foe and make them bounce off the ground. 

Neutral B - The move looks great but it looks almost spammable.  I haven't played it so I can't really judge but from first glance I can say that 21% for a move that comes out pretty damn fast is a bit much.  Not to mention it sucks in foes too.  In the air however it's fine.  Actually, if for V2 of my Cloud, do you mind if I use this move for the Down B?  I plan on making the Meteorain and this switchable on the ground.

Side B - YES!! It's FINALLY balanced and looking good!  Before it was always waaaaaaaaay overpowered.  But now that it's chargeable it's much more balanced.  If there was a way to get rid of the super scope sound effect that would perfect this move.

Up B - Others have said that the spike is too strong and I think I agree.  Since I v3.5 it was much more difficult to land the spike due to their only being one hitbox to launch the foe up, it was more balanced.  However, since there are multiple hitboxes this time it looks easier to land in the air.  However, I much say that the multiple hitboxes makes the move look much cooler XD

Down B - A pretty strange looking move.  I can't really assume much at all about this one without playing apart from that the positioning of the fireballs could be better.  At the moment they come out of his chest rather than his hands XD

Final Smash - This is assuming it's the same as v3.5, the Omnislash is still pretty epic.  I didn't use it for mine because I wanted to go with a more interesting Final Smash rather than a Great Aether with a smexy animation.  But like I said, it's up to you and this Omnislash still works fine especially when it's a moveset based off of FF7

The other complaints are mainly to do with the early animations (i.e. waits, dodges, run etc).  Most of it is opinionated so I won't say.  The one I will say though is the waiting animation should definitely fit a bit more to FF7.  In FF7, he has his back more straight and is leaning forward on his front leg.

Well that's it.  I'll probably say a lot more as regards to balance when I actually play with it.

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Basic Moves

- Wait animation works great and looks great.  Nothing really to say about it.

- I definitely think the Walking and Running animations would suit best as the ones from the game.  I think custom animations would suit them better.  I'll even make the running animation for you as a gift if you want :)

- Jumping animations and falling animations definitely work well.  His fall speed is strange though.  I'm not sure if this was just me, but it seemed that he fell much faster from the 1st jump than from the 2nd.  Also, his wall jump is hilariously small XD  (I was using the Universal Walljump code)

- Not fussed about other animations.  They don't look out of place or anything.


Attacks

AAA combo - Despite using this against CPUs, it's obvious that it is quite possible to DI out of.  However, if your opponent is quite inexperienced or if they are a CPU, they will rarely DI out of it.  The problem is, when this is the case it's VERY abusable.  There were a number of instances where I found I was able to rack up between about 30-50% on the CPU just by holding A.  My suggestion is that make the forward knockback hit have a slightly higher knockback than the backwards knockback hit.  That way, you can still deal decent damage, but it doesn't keep the foe trapped there constantly.  Also, methinks the kick needs a sound effect ;)

F Tilt - By the looks of it, it's basically Ness' F Tilt.  It serves almost identical purpose and function too.  Not too sure what to do with this.  It's just a generally well rounded move and it works.  Oh yeah, and if you listen closely you can still hear the PK sound effect that Lucas' old F Tilt made XD

U Tilt - Needs less base knockback and a bit more knockback growth.  Even at 0% you can only really do it once or twice.  Considering it only does 5% (Mario's U Tilt for example, serves a similar purpose but is easier to combo with and does 7%), I think it needs a little buff.

D Tilt - Basically Lucas' but with less speed and more knockback.  I think this should hit foes at a lower angle than it currently does.  I think it would be most useful if it was more like BBrawl Sonic's D Tilt (in knockback and trajectory).

Dash Attack - Very nicely weighted move.  I actually don't think this needs any changing.  It's fast and powerful, but balanced because it lacks reach and it's punishable


F Smash - Out of his three smashes, this one was by far the least useful.  Because of the angle of the kick, it can literally just go over the heads of some smaller foes like Kirby, Pikachu and Olimar.  It's not that fast, not that strong, the reach isn't amazing and it's very punishable.  This move needs a buff in all areas.  The main things I think would be to make the hitboxes larger and give it more knockback to make it better as a killing move (since at the moment it's not really good for anything).  However, the animation looks awesome.  I actually like how he suspends the kick, and the charging animation works beautifully.

U Smash - His strongest smash obviously, and the one I found overall most useful.  Because of its fairly low base knockback, I found myself able to juggle with it at low %.  However, I think this should actually be changed.  It should primarily be a killing move (somewhat like Fox's U Smash).  The knockback growth should be lowered a bit, and the base knockback increased.  I still love this move though.  I frequently find myself saying SHORYUKEN when connecting it XD

D Smash - This is basically the F Smash, but better in literally every way except range.  It has about the same knockback, but and easier to land hitbox that lasts longer and comes out significantly faster.  I say either keep this as it is OR make it a multi-hit attack, with the last hit dealing the high knockback.


N Air - Love this move.  There's something so lovable about it.  The way it makes a Koopa Shell noise upon hitting an enemy is rather charming.  The main thing I really love about it though, is the little bounce it has.  It actually allows it to be a pretty good horizontal recovery move with good timing and execution.  I think the move should hit the foe slightly more upwards though rather than a generic angle.  The knockback should still be quite weak though.  Overall very nice move.

F Air - It works and it works great.  Probably Scott's best gimping tool.  However, it has poor hitstun and low % because of it's low base knockback.  As a result of this low base knockback, the move is easily punished EVEN WHEN YOU HIT IT @.@ Again, I feel it should be increased a bit more.   Also, I think it should do a little more damage too.  Maybe 11%

B Air - This shares the same problem as the F Air in the fact that it's easily punished even upon landing the hit.  Not to mention that it doesn't function as a good killing or even a very good gimping tool though.  I think the base knockback should be increased quite a lot here, but the knockback growth should be pretty low so that it still remains a non killing move.  However, the move represents a move in the moveset excellently.  The animation is nice and crisp.

U Air - Same as Lucas', but with coins :3  I actually think this should stay the same.  It works very well and is one of his better aerials when it comes to power since it's not so easily punished.

D Air - Love this move.  The animation is spot on and for the most part it's nicely balanced.  I particularly like how he bounces off the foe when you land the sweetspot on an airborne opponent.  However, I think it could use a bit more power on pretty much every hitbox, especially the sweetspot.  Considering it's basically a high risk move (if you miss the sweetspot whilst trying to edgeguard with it, you die).  


Specials

Neutral B - LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOV E THIS MOVE!!  And I love you for making it!  There's just something so awesome and involving about it.  Just watching Scott on screen strumming away whilst I mash the button.  It makes me feel as though I'm actually playing the bass, despite the fact it's just me mashing B.  The move just immerses you in a way I've never even seen before in a PSA.  There's something almost magical about it.

But enough about that.  I find it quite a hard move to critique well.  I think the start-up is a tad too slow, and the hitboxes need to last a bit longer (just make it so the Terminate Collisions occur after a later time period because at the moment each strum terminates very quickly).  I also think the hitboxes should be larger.  It's rather deceptive at the moment.  The hitbox is about half the size of the graphic.  As far as actual trapping concerns go, it's fine since you can DI downwards and tech backwards to escape.  Though maybe if the hitboxes are going to be bigger, the ability to DI out of the move.

However, the main thing I want to suggest is that if the big finish hit (aka the one that sends the foe flying a far distance) connects, the move should just end there.  I found it to be a rather spammable edgeguarding move when I got it up to max strum.  I could just keep mashing B, and they would have a lot of trouble getting back on stage.  In exchange for this, I think this last hit should also do more damage.  Maybe 6% or something.  It IS the largest strum after all XD


Side B - This move has quite a few problems.  The main ones being it starts too slow and retains no momentum at the end, making it very punishable.  It's also very irritating to use in the air because his momentum doesn't stop until actually throws the punch.  This makes recovering with it a pain in the ass because it's extremely difficult to line yourself up with the ledge.  Furthermore, because of how he just stops right in his tracks at the end of the attack instead of retaining a bit of momentum, it makes the move feel jerky and it makes it rather difficult to follow up (since unlike, say, Ike's Side B it has no kill potential).  Not really sure what to suggest for this tough.  It's just hard to use.

Up B - Gosh this move is also a pain to recover with.  It shares the same problem my Spider-Man's Up B did in earlier versions in the fact that you can't change direction when you initiate it.  It's even worse for Scott because he has a fast fall speed and no other forms of vertical recovery.  The hitbox is also very difficult to land, and very unrewarding.  I'm not really too sure about this move as a whole.  I really liked that idea you had before of the random Up Bs from characters in the cast.  I think you should do that, but to make it feel a bit more unique for Scott, he could still use that beam sword (or another sword) no matter which Up B he does.

Down B - I also LOVE this move.  Always have and always will do.  I don't think you need to do anything with this except maybe give it a bit more endlag and give a better indicator of when exactly the countering frames are.  A clicking sound effect and a little flash would do.  I also wouldn't say this is one of his primary killing moves, since it depends largely on what move you counter.  I will say though, it is VERY satisfying countering a Donkey Punch, Falcon Punch or a Warlock Punch with this.  Also, I really, REALLY like how there's the coin effect when you land the punch and depending on how strong the move was, there are more or less coins.  Very clever indeed.

Final Smash - Umm....he doesn't have one yet.  I can't wait to see what ideas you have for it though ^^


Summary

Overall, Scott is very, VERY fun to play.  He's got a few balance issues (for the most part, he's underpowered I think) but he's brimming with a lot of charm and unique flair.  Excellent work haloedhero!  I'll be eagerly awaiting when you make the next update.  I hope my comments were helpful and I'll definitely make a blog feature for this when it's done ;)

the AAA combo- i think this needs to have something wheres its not just a continuous barrage of punches, kind of like fox's or captain falcon's where you have to repetitively tap the a button
Tilts- i see nothing wrong with these
dash attack- i really think the side special should be the dash attack, just an opinion, the dash attack has just a bit too much end lag, which makes it hard to combo with
neutral b- love it, problem with it though is that it has alot of endlag when you get up alot of speed, links boomerang knocked me off the stage because i couldn't react in time, it would be nice if you could shield or roll out of it
side b- this move is fine just seems more like a dash attack, also you should only be able to use this once in the air, or else its too good for recovering
down b-  no complaints
up b-  *left out for already known reasons*
neutral aerial- this move has a bit of glitches, a little animation glitch when used repetitively and landing, and it can be used to float in the air which looks kinda awkward (the floating was probably on purpose, i dont know)
other aerials- all good
smash attacks- i dont see anything wrong with them

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Specials___

-The Up-B: Really interesting. I think the bass for Link's up B could have a glow following it like Link's does. The bass looks pretty flat when using it, and I think that would help the attack feel more full. Probably the best for recovery, and but also has the attack balance. The screw attack is of course awesome, iconic, and great for getting some damage. Best for attacking. You pretty much HAD to have Mario's since he is Mario, but I find it pretty useless compared to the other 2. Maybe in a later version make it Sonic's? He is pretty iconic and so far not represented. There are plenty of Mario references already.

-B: What sDoom said. It is fantastic. Maybe some sfx for rocking?

-Down B: I love it. By far the most stylish counter. I sometime have trouble getting it to hit right, like if they are using a short-hop aerial attack, but that is pretty knit-picky. I think it would be cool if the message would change sometimes though. Like sometimes it would say Reversal, sometimes Counter, and rarely maybe "Objection!" I don't know if it would be possible though.

-Side B: I find this one rather plain compared to the other specials. I like it, but it doesn't really seem like a special. Maybe you could change this to be the side smash and have a new side B?

Smash Attacks___

-Down S: Just awesome. What sDoom said about the damage, but otherwise really great.

-Side S: A plain old kick. It's a fine attack, but like I said earlier I could see a slightly modified version of the side B here.

-Up S: SHORYUKEN!!! I love it. I think it would be cool if he jumped when he did this move like in Street Fighter (though to be honest most of my experience with the move is from Zero in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, so I may be wrong). It would also help the range problem with it. It is pretty fine like it is though.

Throws___

-All are pretty fine. My favorite is probably the up throw. I like that you used some custom animations. Maybe a little more flash, but really nothing to complain about.

Arials___

I really like the down aerial. The turtle shell sfx makes it, I like the bounce you get at the end, and I have had good success with it. I am not the biggest fan of lucas' up arial, but it isn't really bad. I also like the back one a good bit, and I am pretty neutral to the forward aerial.

Tilts___

I really like the down tilt, up tilt is really great for juggling, side is just fine. Pretty much was sDoom said. I also like the AAA coin attack.

Final Smash___

SCOTT EARNED THE POWER OF SELF RESPECT!!! It's amazing, but I think the damage output is a little low. On larger levels it can not be very effective, but I really love everything else about it. The animation was just fantastic.

Other___

The custom animations are all pretty well done. They look smoother than most others. I also really like how heavy he feels; reminds me of the game itself, and you don't see many small characters like that. I remember in the game there was a move where he stuck his fist up and there was a small explosion, but it's been a while since I played it; maybe fit that in over one of the more generic moves (possibly over side B I guess?). That is just one idea though. Also I've found his walljump to be virtually useless. Could you make it go higher?

Overall___

It really feels like Scott Pilgrim, and not only that. It is just a REALLY well made moveset. All of it is incredibly original, he has a unique and fun playstyle, and most importantly he feels very natural in the game. It is like he is straight out of the game and refined for brawl. Some attacks feel a little generic, but that is hardly an issue. Any changes I said for an update are pretty optional; I would be fine if it stayed the way it is right now. The only problem... there is no minus version yet. If there was, he would have a permanent slot on my sd care. Definitely one of the best psa's out there; I never checked out your Cloud, since sDoom's was so great, but this has prompted me to test it out. Anyway, welcome to the world of being a famous PSAer.