Kitty Corp Meow Mix Forums

The thread to post all your ideas for changes and improvements to the board. New options, moderation stuff -- if it's not related to BrawlVault, it probably goes here.
And if something isn't working, or if you need help to solve a forum issue, just post in here.

This post will serve as an update log and an FAQ of sorts.

List of changes and updates in no particular order:

• Visual Warning System
  
  • For more on this, read the rules (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=67.0).
• Aeva Lite
  
  • Autoembedding for many media sites. No more need for "[youtube]" tags or the like.
• Auto-merge double posts
  
  • Eliminates spam and keeps you from getting warned.
• Disable signatures on posts
  
  • A checkbox in the "Additional Options" of the reply screen lets you turn off your signature for the post you are writing/editing.
• Colored names
  
  • An aesthetic mod that colors members' names in posts, topic lists, etc. to represent their membergroup.
• Awards
  
  • For more on this, see this thread (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=30094.0).
• The Moderation Corner (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0)
  
  • A place to ask questions or challenge moderations you have received. Only you and the mods can see your topics there.
• Spoiler tags
  
  • Hides whatever is between the tags unless the viewer chooses to reveal it.
• Team Page (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=teampage)
  
  • An easy way to view and contact anyone on the staff.
• Various bot preventions
  
  • Captcha, image identification, etc. intended to keep bots from registering. Not very effective.
• Extra profile fields
  
  • Adds extra fields on the profile summary page for stuff related to BrawlVault.
• Compact theme
  
  • A version of the theme that trims a lot of fat from the board's look. Change your theme by clicking "Look and Layout Preferences" in the sidebar of your profile. You can also hide signatures and avatars here for an even smaller layout.
• Disable word censoring
  
  • Profile -> Look and Layout Preferences -> Leave words uncensored. Please see this addendum (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=67.msg611422#msg611422) to learn what words are censored and how we handle censor bypassing.
• "srs kitten" membergroup
  
  • A membergroup that prevents you from seeing the Off-Topic section. Post here or PM Vyse or Miacis if you would like to opt in.
• Show topics a user has started
  
  • An option at the bottom of the profile summary lists all topics started by the user.
• BBCode Comments
  
  • Use the "note" bbcode in your posts to include comments that are not displayed on the board but are retained for editing. Useful for all the things code comments typically are. They also show up when someone quotes a post, so don't include anything you wouldn't want someone to see or that breaks the rules.

Post-based Membergroups
A list of all the membergroups and the posts required to reach them.

Custom Titles
Custom titles are additional text that appear just under a user's name in message displays and profile summaries. Only mods, admins, KC:MM team members, BV staff, and Special Access members can set a custom title. Special Access is granted only to former staff members (who left on good terms) and to this user (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4153;sa=summary) for helping us out of a financial bind.

Well, let's start off things quickly.

We just permabanned the user and former member of the team MilkaholicX.

Why ? Not because he left the team and went to Stack Smash. We don't care about it.
Because of a breach of trust. As a team member, he asked for the admin powers for a short time, to make a quick, innoffensive modification. We granted his wish, trusting he wouldn't pose any problems. But instead, he messed up some parts of the forum and granted himself more powers than what ha was supposed to have, and pretty much offended all of the team with his actions for himself, and against the whole forum.

I hope you'll understand why we couldn't let him stay here.

No double posting :p

Also the stuff about Milkaholic clears up a lot of things now.

Suggestion: Don't ban Neon (plz).

Poor MilkaholicX. But if you guys say so then I agree.

He deserved it. He messed up a lot of things (and right before he joined SS :>.>: )

I found his youtube =P I talked to him. He said a lot of stuff. =P
Wanna hear it?

EDIT: I'll tell you now.

Exact Quote from MilkaholicX(In third person):

He said that it wasn't fair for demoting the members who deserved the admin tab. So he tricked Miacis in to giving him admin powers so he can edit the permissions. He gave the full KC:MM membergroup permission to lock and sticky topics and edit other users accounts. He knew that he would get in trouble so he lied to the team by him saying that he got in StackSmash. He quit because he knew that he didnt deserve the powers by tricking his former friend Miacis.

Exact Quote from MilkaholicX(In first person):


It was surprising. But I still think he deserved the permaban!! Lying to your team???

I was surprised when I discovered what he did. I thought of him as a friend and I wasn't expecting something like that at all. If he didn't like the demotion idea, the wisest thing to do is talk it out with the rest of the team, not go against the rules and screw everything up.

Hm... Maybe... Maybe not...

Oh, yeah, of course ...
He felt bad after doing it, of course and quit the team just because of that, when he seemed very happy to do so...

It wasn't fair ... okay, the way he asked me to give him back his powers when everybody got demoted heavily implied I had to restore HIS powers. I suppose that's probably why he didn't discuss it with us even though I had told him TWICE that he should discuss the matter with us if he didn't approve it.
I guess we even could have let him keep mod powers if he had ASKED ! But of course, he did nothing. >_>
That doesn't look like something he did for the whole team. (which pretty much agreed as a whole to these demotions.)

And finally, I'd like to know what noble cause he served by censoring picano's username and messing up all of the smilies. (And possibly causing much much trouble to a certain user by banning him multiple times for no reason. "Possibly", because he was just the only suspect when it happenned.)

I guess it was all a misunderstanding ? >_>

I don't buy this.

He told me stuff after that...
He said that it wasnt about him getting mod powers. He wanted more powers but using Miacis was enough. And he said he felt bad before tricking you [Miacis] because he knew that he would betray everyone who gained his trust. And he said that you guys wouldnt listen to him because you hate him. And he said the smiley thing was an accident after adding another superstar smiley? And censored Picano's name because he thought it was funny.(how awful)

EDIT:
Who is Picano

EDIT again: He said that he wants to talk to you in person...(without cursing and arguing)
Marcov15 especially

I'll have to agree with that. He lied to me before about demoting me, and deleting Oizen's avatar.

EDIT:


Nice try, I turned off the notifications of new posts. Also, I have my suspicions about you.

Im just quoting from my PM's.

He said that when Oizen demoted you, he restored your status. And if he did edit Oizen's avatar, it would say that he edited "Forum Profile Information" not "Account Related Settings"

Bull[censored]. He never repromoted me. When I was demoted, it was either Vyse, Finman, or Oizen that repromoted me back.

Based on my PM's, if OizenX demoted you in the first place, why would he repromote you back in less than 24 hours...

And he said the day he re promoted you, he didnt see Vyse edit your account that week.

That was Random.

WolfPack777 has been banned for being MilkaholicX... *sighs*

Dang it, I wanted that stage! But yeah, it was obvious. Milk PM'd me with pictures of that stage, but I don't think anybody else's seen them.

Mind if I clean up a bit ? These stupid games of hide 'n seek are not amusing me.

If you have anything to say to me Milk, then just contact me directly. My esteem for you keeps going lower and lower each time you try to play games with me.
(And it's already pretty close to the ground right now. Ready your pickaxe, you're about to dig!)

Miacis is really smart when its a serious moment.

Uhhh...can't we just see his ip...and you know, ban anyone with the same one?

I already IP banned him when Vyse said it was him by checking his IP.

Ok then...Then that should be the end of him, unless he has one of them fancy rich peoples ip mask thingies.

Dynamic IP, or Proxy?

Yea those fancy things.

Permaban, kinda like me and SS.

Since Oizen posted it, it won't be taken seriously.
Moderator: Shadow (Who else does [censored])
Reason: Stupid actions
Topic: http://kittycorp.freecp.net/index.php?topic=2969.0

Story: Since this entire Ohai bug fad is getting pretty big, people started posting it before shadow, and since shadow, a moderator on the forums posted this image on many occasions no one would think of it as spam. Shadow decides to delete all the O hai images (incuding the ones that weren't that bug image) so he could post first. Of course, I pointed this out and it lead to a sub fight over it. Instead of deleting all the spam, he decides to close the topic, leaving all the spam there AND ruining some new guys introduction. When confronted on this issue he told me that I'm a dumbass and not to tell him how to do his job.
Go figure.

Rant Part 2:
Moderator:Shadow

Reason: Is his constant barging into topics and calling me a dumbass really acceptable on this forum? Is there really a no rule on flaming?

yeah... I can understand why you would lock my topic, but it would make MUCH more sense to edit out all of the posts that didn't have to do with the topic. Now I can't even add my new ideas to the topic. also: please note that all of the digressions in that topic were started by other people, not me. There IS such a thing as deleting individual posts.

I wanted to say something here because of a little problem that has been showing up recently.

Staff members have no right to break the rules, period. We are here to make sure people follow them, but we need to follow them ourselves. If you see a staff member breaking a rule, please don't hesitate in reporting him, or PMing another admin or mod about it. That way, we can stop certain people from abusing their powers and we can ensure that the rules will be applied to EVERY member in this community, regardless of his/her position.

Thank you :P

Suggestions right? Can we have a friends list connected to our proifle, or a more obvious one if it exists? I want to know who i freinded and have easy access to their pages :srs:

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/dingoberriz/Capture-6.png?t=1278692676)
^You mean this thing that shows your buddies?

Wow...to trick your members to try to do something like that...very risky..

Something like this?

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5887/profile.th.png) (http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5887/profile.png) (http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4079/profile2.th.png) (http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4079/profile2.png)

Welll after dingo pointed out basically what i wanted, i'd just like that to be upgraded :<

That looks cool
Be even moar awesomer if we went to something like that

I think he's meaning like friend codes or on youtube, when you add someone they're not your friend until they approve it

http://webneko.net/?neon

this?

Profile > Modify Profile : Edit Buddies

And forum modifications are usually out of the question unless they deal with Brawl Vault (I know how to get what I need) or if you can link me to a pre-packaged SMF mod.

Lol Milkaholic REALLY used his time here wisely <_<

I have a suggestion. Adding a new button such as "Alphabetical", "Newly Added", and "Top Downloads". After "Top Downloads" the new button will be named "Updates Since Last Visit". You know, because if you have a few favorite project upcoming updates, you might want to check up on them easier, as you might forget. ;)

I read the first few things on the first page, it seems there is alot of drama going on in the dark corners :P

I have a suggestion, and would be willing to help if possible:

Alot of times people post ridiculous requests in the texture requests thread (usually people who post in there are their first and only post, asking for a custom PSA, vertex, and texture)

I suggest two ideas... One is that a permission is set so that five posts a required to start a topic in the texture requests section.

The other suggestion is that their be a sticky post that would be "advice" to newcomers... I PM'd Vyse with a basic sample of what could be posted...

I used to run my own forums before, and I found the first option was pretty effective in eliminating alot of what would be, and usually was, ridiculous requests that never got filled...


That's my little bit, let me know what you think!

~Foxxy

May I suggest using an embedded mibbit chat box rather than the java applet for our chat room?  Everyone seems to have trouble with it, and mibbit is far superior anyways.

I agree, I get forced to mibbit anytime I go to the chat anyway. Just annoying as hell to have to do so.

Indeed >_> I go to mibbit daily but it's to bad that it's not embed here :-\

http://wbe02.mibbit.com/manager/
pretty please?

Wait wait wait...

Upon reading that... mibbit is IRC?

I'll see about it then. But, if you want something done faster... set up a widget yourself and I'll see about adding it to the site.

What do you exactly need?

The iFrame?
If so, here's the code:

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=11409&Moderated=All#ByUserID=5281&Moderated=All
someone ban him
or warn him or whatever it is that we're doing to people who upload other people's work.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=6936.msg225524#msg225524
This guy said that he hacked OnagaRyu's account because Onaga's on punishment :srs:

as a suggestion I think moderators should let the people know why their thread was locked. Since I was reading a couple posts and some people were confused on why their thread was locked.

Normally, that's what any moderator should do before (or right after) locking.

If you see that one apparently hasn't done his job correctly, just ask him politely by PM why he locked, and if he could add said reason to the locked topic. (On the condition it's not an old topic of course. There would be no point in upping it in that case.)

Perhaps an idea for adding to profiles is Skype usernames, just like MSN, YIM, etc.
So peple can share their Skype name if they want to :) I wouldn't mind :)

this is just an idea but I think this would be a cool smiley to put in the smileys section. (http://img6.xooimage.com/files/0/2/b/ballsmash-160dc59-1f8af03-220e5b1.gif)

1.I dont see the point of using it.
2.I already had suggestions for smilies...and its done.
3.To me it looks like its dancing XP

>_>
<_<
I want to be a Admin plz :3
*End of the forums*

I couldn't find any other place to put this...  but it seems like there is a glitch with the signature input because whenever i have 400 characters in it, it automatically cuts off the last 3 and only lets me use the first 397 of them.

Can someone tell me why every time I log in or out of this site I get a blank page, and when I refresh the browser it asks if I want to resend the information or something, and then it's fine. It's really annoying that I always have to put up with it; is there anything I can do?

never had that actually and i tried it in 3 different browsers.

I know it only does it on my browser, but on the computer downstairs it doesn't do it. How can I fix?

can some1 tell me how 2 weport people onhear? sinse ths dood desves o get banned; http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9168

That's an adbot, but...on the bottom right of every post it says "Report to moderator". >.>

I can no longer delete my topics. Is this something new that was just implemented into the forum recently?

Also, how does one go about bringing a topic to attention without bumping? My topic wasn't even a day old and it's on the second page already; now no one will ever see it. What should I do if this happens?

You'd have to bump it then. >_>

If it's a hack topic, you have to try making things interesting enough to keep people posting. If it's a request, hope it's something a lot of people want or something someone wouldn't mind making.

But I thought the rules said you can't bump if it's not contributing to the topic.

Also, it's none of the things you said; all my topics are usually help topics. And I know people know the answers to them, they just probably don't feel like answering or the people that know the answers aren't lurking that board a tthe right time.

I know how that is. My tutorial threads get very little responses. I just have to assume it's helping. If it's a help thread, then people either don't know or don't feel like answering for whatever reason because they think someone else will answer.

After a week, if nobody answers your help thread and you still don't know. Bump it. >_>

The rule is more against repeatedly bumping topics in a short period of time.

Lol that's pretty much the case with me because the only threads I've made on this forum are all help threads. Very few aren't. It's so annoying and even more annoying when I bump it and still get nothing.

And ok; I have bumped only the ones that had almost no responses or none at all, and on the next page. That's when I usually will start to bump.

What if after I bump it goes right to the second page again really fast? Can I still bump?

Is it possible for me to report somebody?  There is a user called KeyBlader.  He's a noob, but he keeps needlessly trolling and flaming Hollow and his PSAs.  I believe he is breaching the following rule:


Therefore, I think he deserves some sort of warning and/or punishment for breaking the rules and annoying not only such a renowned member of our community as Hollow, but quite a few other people as well. 

It is possible. Just click "report to moderator" in the same area as one of his posts. It's right down here V

^Bot anyone? :srs:

Oh nah that's just my friend he's a good guy.

LOL just kidding.

Lol at a bot posting in the MODERATION topic XDDD

I haz suggestion:

On-topic Discussion and Help boards get divided into 2 sub-boards
the the first division of the On-topic being important brawl reference stuff, and whatever else could be deemed useful, and the other division...the rest of the threads that are on there

The first help division being non-n00b help where people actually have some kind of problem that isn't answered in any guide, and the other division being n00by help.

Whatcha say

good idea

..nobody would post in the noob thread...

The noob thread would be for the new people. People who've been around for a while would post in the non-noob thread.
Just saying.

well, i don't think enough people would admit they are noobs, then crap will hit the fan when a noobish question is asked in the non noob forum :P
but that's just my opinion (mine doesn't matter much anyway :D )

I agree. If people want a thread for "noobs" then they can title it something that gives general help to newcomers. If not, help threads should be made with more specialized topics.

This is true, people wouldn't want to post in the n00b section, but we could set up some kind of limitation so you have to do a certain thing to be able to post in the other help section.

that probably isn't nessicary though..

I don't think it's necessary. If there's a very ambitious new hacker on the forums, it would be stupid to limit him from asking questions only because he's new, even when he has a valid question. In reality, all that needs to be done is to make sure that people post in the appropriate forums; everything else falls into place without a problem if this is done.

I still would like the on-topic devision though, I'm getting sick of productive threads being bumped by pointless ones

What is wrong with this site's search function? I've used it to search for hacks such as Banjo (Mario Texture) and Facility (custom stage), and the search brought up nothing, yet they do exist and with those exact same names... And yes I entered it in the correct fields.

Also, we need a board for asking questions in regards to the site's functionality (not Brawl Vault's), such as my question above. Every forum I've been to has a board for that, so I was surprised to see none here.

There's no forum for it because there really isn't anything most of the staff can do to fix / add functionality. I'm the only one that has ever even attempted site edits.

Also, as far as your search issues go... seems Brawl Vault still has a problem with url-escaped character searched. (Meaning, anything starting A-F will have issues)

No but I mean like just simple questions about the site to help someone understand something? Or should they just be PMed to you?

Also, I see; that's strange. I've never encountered a problem like that with other searches before.

Eh... might be a good idea to make a general help topic then --- though, it's likely to get overlooked.

Also, yeah it is weird... I'm not sure if it's a problem with our server itself or not but $_GET and the others have problems urldecoding. It should only interpret the first 2 characters after a percent sign... but it seems to go until it encounters either another percent or G on up.

Anyway... I added a small fix + a major code rewrite --- hope it doesn't bork something else.

Ok, what board should I put it in? I don't have any questions, I just want to know for future reference.

Small fix and major code rewrite for what? The search?

And blah, fix unfixed itself.

And dunno. :P Too tired to think straight.

Just curious, but I noticed the Karma was gone; did you remove it or something or are you working on something?

How come the chat never works? I always get a Java start-up error.

Because most people don't have Java on their computer.

And for some reason installing it doesn't solve the problem.

That or I'm just an idiot... :srs:

But I do have Java, even the latest version. So no, you aren't an idiot lol.

My bet is that you are saying "yes" instead of "no".

I was trying to figure it out for a good 5 minutes before I realized that the "allow..." dialog was instead a "block all..." dialog.

You're right. I clicked no and it works. I wonder why.

Anyway, looks like it's never used. There were only like four people in there with names I never heard of.

Also, what happened to Karma?

Well, I ask a question about posting.

Could you make the Maximum Character Count for a post bigger?

Because I'm writing a story in a Thread, and I had exceeded the character limit for the OP, so I ask if you could be able to enlarge the Maximum number for a post.

So can the signature maximum number be changed as well

In both cases, no.

Posts: I've tried, it's pretty much a hard limit --- anything over is simply discarded.
Sigs: Eh... it's really part of keeping down sig size. Yours is over the limit if I'm not mistaken.

Actally, I can only type 30 more words in my signature.

Well my top signature is that of a randomnizer and all my Sigs are the same size of 399x149 and the bottom is a siggy from Brawl vault

Eh, good point --- and I guess the signature enforcement hasn't really mattered since we limited the maximum viewing area anyway.

Increased.

Now thats cool, But picano should you tell everybody that the signature count was increased or something

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.345

So, you remember AGF, Mr. "I took P:M's Melee Ganon PSA and claimed it as my own," right? Well, it looks like he created another account, probably using a friend's computer. He claims he isn't AGF, but the people are too smart for him (KTH and Miacis).

Picano is the forum running in xampp? If so you can easily change the max characters allowed in a post. Our forum now has 200000 characters per post allowed.

Nope.

It's either an issue database side or some hard coded limit somewhere... there is a setting for it but even at unlimited there is a cutoff (where text just vanishes).

Huh weird, XAMPP has that function
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/characters300keven.png)

Seems we even increased it to 300k characters O_o"

I guy named "Troll" harass me :

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.msg336974;boardseen#new

He said :

"Hey I'm a noob and I hate your hacks and guess what?
Agfanproductions isn't a stealer you are! Om nom nom.
Oh and miacis or whatever is a huge stupid idiot and I think that melée and him are both super duper dumb"

And he have send this to me by PM :

"You like my message on your thread?"

What a freakin' troll.  :notimp:
I reported his post for "hardcore trolling."

Already banned so he won't bother us ;)

Thank.

How come I can't see my avatar anymore? There are also only a select few other avatars I can see on this forum as well.

Edit: When I posted this my avatar appeared for not even a full second before it vanished.

It's just you, I see it fine. Clear out your browser cache and history, and reload.

Well somehow it's appearing again.

I think there is a bug with the way Google Chrome handles the quick edit button on this site. Whenever I click it, it lets me edit, but the box is a very thin strip and the save and cancel buttons that should be under the box are missing so I can't save the edit. I now have to go into full edit mode to make edits... I never had this problem before on FireFox.

Any suggestions?

I had that, you can't really fix that i believe. Just hit the TAB button and it shows the send and preview buttons.

What tab button?

Also, I just went back before typing this post and the buttons are back and the box is bigger. Same with this post that I tried to quick edit now. What the hell?

It's a bug that happens around 50% of the times. It isn't always that small.
And i ment the TAB button on your keyboard.

And it's only with Google Chrome? Because it never did this to me in FireFox.

Oh, ok then. I'll try that next time.

Yeah it's only with GC for as far as i know. The only browsers i used to use are GC and Firefox, i use firefox alone nowadays.

How can I keep certain topics from appearing in the "Show new replies to your posts." feature? Even the topics I've unsubscribed from still appear in there, and I want to know how I can keep them out for good?

This. There are some threads that I post in once and then it reminds me of when it's updated. It's kind of annoying.

(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/this.png)
^This picture should show you where and how to disable it :)

...I've never seen that before O.o
I'll go change it right now.

EDIT: The bottom on IS unchecked in my profile. Am I missing the point?

Check it, then save, then uncheck and save. Below that is a list of topics your notified by. You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.

Yes but I still want to receive notification. Just not from certain topics.

Below that is a list of topics your notified by.
You can remove every topic you don't want there easily.

*facepalm*

But it doesn't remove it from "Show new replies to your posts.". That just unsubscribes you from e-mail notifications.

Hmm, then i have no idea.

There should be some option that lets you stop receiving notifications altogether and not just e-mail ones.

Yes, that's what I meant, not the one in options.

what you can do is delete all of your posts from the topic you don't want to see updates from and then you won't get updates from it anymore (i did that to get out of the family topic)
(that is, if you are able to delete your own posts)

I think someone is giving people fake warnings in the family thread is that even allowed?

One is done by Oizen and one by Random. Oizen's a Global mod, Random is a founder. They want to play, let them be.

I think that you should really considered some of your moderation team members. You can't just hand those powers to some troll, who dedicates to nothing, but trolling.

Not everyone can have power.

What about the warnings on the others in the family thread

I am not talking about Random, just in case anyone is confused.

Someone who calls people names constantly, and talks sh*t to others all the time, should not be a "Global Mod" That looks very unprofessional and makes this look like a joke.

Don't forget about people abusing their powers thats sorta childish

I saw it, i was really like wtf. I did laugh but wtf XD

I did laugh as well those people got warnings but am wondering if there real warnings but lets stop talking about that

If can't will a power and control of higher person then your not worthy of using wityh great power comes great responibility peter :af:

I reported 3 of his fakes on the other thread

To any admin viewing this:

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9702

This guy :srs: . He just went all over me because I told an admin to delete his 'plagiarized pack' like a few weeks ago.

He constantly harassed me in PMs today, He is simply pointing out that his life is 'better' than mine, and he also said my life is 'crap'. He also had some more insults, such as technically saying "I'm more superior than you" and other things like that.

I may have worse insults than he did, but I was simply defending myself.

 This guy needs a sanction, I reported ALL his PMs (except one) to all admins, and yet, no admin had responded to me yet, as of 4:30 P.M EST.

I checked all admins profile to see when they were last online, and one was online today around 7:00 PM EST.
I want something done. :srs:

Okay, so you expect admins to react less than 6 hours after your report, all time zones considered.
And considering the fact that admins here aren't all extremely active, especially a CERTAIN ONE who would have liked to enjoy his vacation from here a bit more.

There are a few things that bother me in this conversation, so I'd like you to send me the WHOLE PM conversation. Which means, including your PMs.

Oh, and I'll be as hurried as you are and ask for a quick answer. Just for the bonus. >.>

PS : Cut with the (null) business unless you have a freagin' really good reason to. If you just have no idea about what name to choose, just use your regular account name.

My apologies Miacis, I was a bit raged at the time; I couldn't think about all the other things such as time zones, the admins, etc. But that's just me. :<

And don't rush yourself, please.

Also, the (null) thing was to help that "guy" out with a problem, just in case so he wouldn't go and say something rude and tell me to get out of his thread. X-P

I feel so stupid right now and I know I should. ;_;

Also, I'm just going to apologize to the guy, but I hope he has his sorries, too.

Someone can delete this post please?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=6034.msg56271#msg56271

You can deleat it yourself

I'm talking about the post of "D."

Really, i got see this post

Nevermind.

Just a quick question Mia... Do you guys ever delete accounts that have only posted once since like last year?

Never.

Even if they've never posted... they could simply be lurkers or Vault users only.

Hell, I've actually disabled the ability for users to delete their own accounts without admin permission.

I can't delete the poll on this topic - it givbes me a session verification error. Could you help?
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=20291.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=20291.0)
It does let me edit the poll, though.

Every poll has this same error O_o" I can't remove any of mine either..

I messaged someone and they couldn't reply back by PM because it said my inbox was to full.
My Inbox was working at 556 and under.
I started to delete unnecessary PMs ALL the way until 126 or so. It says 97% full.
I deleted 300 PMs and it still won't work! :( Can you please extend the PMs limit. :(
I've had way more than this amount of PMs before, so now it's just erroring me!
Nvm, it works!

Ive been having that poll deleting error lately too. >.>

I can't remove the poll of my thread.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=16583.810

That said :

Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.

A lot of people have that including me.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=18092
I believe we have a hack thief... And not a very good one, this is Micaiah's Zack... You can tell.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=16373
See? They even used the SAME PICTURE! >_<;

Exact same picture in the 3slot just re-uploaded... Really some people are just idiots...
Sorry for that but i really mean it >_>"
Note: That "idiot" was not directed at you Data ;)

This is my first stolen hack so please don't complain or argue.

Reported it, it's an exact copy. I checked in bbox, it's the same... :srs:
^Just in case he removes it before anyone sees it.

That not need to go on "Brawl Vault" thread?

Hello there... just a suggestion:

true. i think we do need to make the rules more specific... another project to do
but necroposting is defined in the spamming part of the rules. i'm more lenient with the time between (i'd allow up to 3 weeks instead of the 1 in the rules - that's just me) but something like 4 months without contributing anything to the topic is just annoying. i recently just bumped 3 people on the warnings because of necroposting in one of my old topics because one person just said "thank you" and then the other two mini-modded instead of reporting the original poster. i agree that the rules can (and should) be more clear, but at least for necroposting, common sense should play some kind of role in it, shouldnt it?

i thought that avatars were automatically resized if they were too big? but there's a signature rule in there and it is specific with dimensions.

Perhaps another Email or PM for everyone about the rules? It seems that now a days New members dont even bother to look at the rules... >_>... I know its common Sense to a least read the rules of a forum, it they exist, but its seems some people lack that today... Just a suggestion..

^This is true

This. I warned two people who haven't read the rules, and they PMed me saying that they hate the rules. >_>

Sorry .... DX for bein the original poster :( I Posted in the wrong topic. No excuses.

Ok, lets hear it.

How do people even become mods and eventually admins ?

(http://i.imgur.com/ks6JI.png)
He trolls? No respect?  That reminds me of someone....


(http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0)
Gosh, what did Italian do that's worse than that?  What could he possibly be doing this time?
Oh, I found it:

Why would he accuse Oizen of being a troll? hmmm...(look up?)
Why would he accuse Oizen of giving warnings for no reason?

what was this for exactly? Spam? a 2 word post, much like the 1 word post that answered it?  or everything shown here (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23675.15), that apparently is acceptable because quotes are attached to them? I'm a little confused here >.<

There has to be another reasonable reason why this guy deserves a ban.

Yeah right, that doesn't happen.
oh wait,
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0
 :notimp:

Translation:

Justifiable.
this seems like a personal issue...
(http://i.imgur.com/yTG9K.png)

Maybe Oizen was just having a bad day.  Lets give him another chance.
(http://i.imgur.com/b2Oss.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/hlp1z.png)
Oh no, a rat!? How dare they alert a member when he is in danger of getting banned for no reason!

Gosh, such an example of a staff member's abuse of his power to attempt to remove someone who he doesn't like is frightening, is it not?

I sure hope there isn't more areas that can be observed of such abuse, and hopefully they aren't revealed and brought up here.

I'd really like to know as well.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/zackwinzard/2i7pq9k.jpg)

lol Just kidding. ¦D

Hmm and I thought Private Messages were supposed to be, well, private.

Hence the word, "private" in it.

This shows that not everyone can have power.

It was spam because Songe did a double post just saying "post" "post again"

oh, so its a minor infraction of the rules, such as 1 word spam posts, or maybe, to an extent, an admin trying to get someone banned because they don't like them.  I see now, thanks for clearing that up.

Thats it.

whenever an issue comes up about moderation, I'm posting it in general chat.

Songe, wanted to see if the post count goes up, so she tested it(by spamming) and got warned.

She didn't have to do a pointless double post, just a single post could have worked.

I, understand that, but thank you.
what a terrible thing to do, double posting.  She should have been banned imo.

Yeah I know >.>

She wanted to make sure.

It's just pointless spam, not contributing to anything. Rules are rules.

Can you guys from the beloved KC MM flame war family thread show me where you read that being a sycophant will get you a Mod job? It won't.

Sorry but somebody had to break the news.

dude. this isn't the place for that. and also, you really don't understand our motives.

"Topic: Moderation [Appreciations, suggestions, reports]"

Pardon?

Aisuru  please tell me your motives ?

*Looks at OP
No, they apparently are not.

he was flaming the family thread randomly

helix- my motives are simply to defend my opinion. not to suck up. that's not how you get to be a mod

You again?

Also, as you can see. Every time members from the KC MM Family thread, specifically those with thousands of posts, that just joined a few months ago, and zero hacks, zero knowledge, come in here, a flame war starts.

Are we really supposed to take you seriously?

Knowing you, you're probably gonna reply again.

Be careful though, you might not want to curse at me again. This time it might actually get you in trouble.

That is unless your mommy wife miacis defends you again.

Just stop all of it before it even beings...

"Our" motives? That's funny. You're saying that as if you assume you hold any important position despite your clear state of insignificance on this forum.

You're just a normal member. Nothing more. You aren't part of the staff nor do you have any connection to them or power as such, so don't try to link yourself together with them.

I was talking about the people who italian said were sucking up to get a mod position

Snap out of it. The next time someone posts out of topic, he will get instant moderation. Don't move any flame wars into here. This topic is what the title says, suggestions, appreciations, and reports

Funny, because according to the English language, when one speaks the word "our" or the many other forms of the word, it would mean that they are including a specific group in mind or even a couple of other individuals while including themselves in said statement. If they wished not to include themselves, they would use "their", which would point out to a group without including themselves. However, it is quite clear that you specifically professed your statement with the word "our", and thus have included yourself in a group in which you do not belong, while giving off the image that you believe yourself to be of higher standing than others.

Do learn to control yourself and keep your head leveled, rather than high in the clouds full of delusions and arrogance, not the mention ignorance.

Nice to see your failure at rule comprehension still applies Stickman, as I haven't done even the slightest of things wrong at this point.

And I was ninja'd by your post anyway, so there's no way I would've seen it. or do you just not want any statements that aren't your own to be made right now? Well, despite the fact that I'm not even talking to you anyway. ¦D

sort of like how threads were locked when admins got scared?  Go ahead.  Lock this.  Because fools like yourselves caused others to get angry.  It won't be surprising, especially with all the ridiculous responses you all keep coming up with.  Since the admins everyone except stickman aren't doing their jobs (again?) I'm going to ask you all to stop posting stupid crap.

I was ninja'd by you stickman, I hope you don't mind this post.

Go ahead, regular members do it all the time.

*waves*
now, here's something else that needs some sort of an explanation.
I'd like you present you with another example of how the rules are ignored by their creators.
Here are the rules.  This may be your first time reading them:
(http://i.imgur.com/mEgTH.png)
Here's where they're infracted:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11941
(http://i.imgur.com/QyI3A.jpg)
thank you vish :)

I'd love to see the excuse for this one

Quoting just for you Stickman, just in case you're being a little too blind-sighted to look back and see it. ¦3

So, a lot of questions and problems have been posted here, but no answers.  Admins?

Yeah...About that...I'm going to have to apologize to Stickman for posting this conversation we had:

The only thing going thru my mind after reading all this is.... What Goal are you all trying to reach with all this? Just think about it... What does anyone gain or lose really? Is anyone gonna recieve a prize, or a Check in the mail? What?... Its point less... Or is it just for self-satisfaction?  

He made that alt account to try and amuse the people in the family, and it was working to.
You guys are so generous to turn on him.

and think of this, admins here probably have a lot of alternate accounts used to test forum features, ban them too?

You're not very reasonable, and all I really have to say to this is

Don't like it?Leave.We're not forcing you to visit this place.

Asking that now would solve anything Nuke, as the ends justify the means.

Then, I'm just here for the hell of it. I didn't do anything to get infracted, be it warned or moderated, so I do in fact request and demand that my level be brought back down to normal. After having an infraction for two months, getting one again simply because an admin is having a hard time grasping things and getting a temper doesn't exactly strike me as a model example of administration and moderation.

However, on the multi-account thing, so it's fine for Vish to have multiple accounts for a joke, but Kata and I can't share an account for a family joke? Yes, that definitely sound perfectly fair.

Though I know you actually sided with me on that Oizen, Miacis allowing this yes infracting the two of us over that definitely is nothing short of hypocrisy.

Oh, so now amusement is an exception to the rules? cool. story. bro.

What I'm hoping to come out of this with is a fully functional KC:MM without corrupt admins who constantly abuse their powers.  A KC:MM that everyone can have an enjoyable time on, and inb4 "I hav fun."  Some people feel that the admins are out of place in some areas, specifically ones mentioned on the last few pages that you may or may not have read.  A KC:MM where people aren't discriminated against, where nobody has to worry.  Do you think that the examples provided are acceptable administrator behaviour?  An honest answer.  Please.  Anyone.

I can understand admins have alt accounts for testing forum features, but to amuse the family? Well I might as well be able to make multiple accounts just to post in my own threads and have fun right?

Quite indeed, VILE, it is quite... A petty reason to break the rules.

You guys do realize the muti account thing is only for people trying to avoid a ban/warning, right?

Funny story on how it happened.

I thought it was also for people making multi accounts to get hacks of people they wanted with polls

It is.

Did DRAGONROBOT do this?

No.

It says it isn't allowed all together, it just adds extra emphasis on the bypass of a warning.

So no I don't realize.

Thinking like that doesn't get you very far.

So presenting the rules to someone who is using them as their defense is implied to be ignorant thinking?

And technically, that is off topic and flaming.

Talked to sticks, and he said it does apply to all accounts.

You're right. I'll take care of vish.

Vish isn't the only one that needs taking care of >.>
Look what someone did!
(http://i.imgur.com/zFcJi.png)
Its in the trash!!
Embarrassed?
very Gmod like of you

Look at the post above yours
now back to yours.

also, I know what your posts look like, I know what the rules look like, you don't need to take pictures of these.

All he was doing was archiving the evidence of an offense.

You know that could be called Treason.

Its in a place that information shouldn't leave. But you'll just say "Oh other people have done it before" and not respond to this.

Ok... I was planning to make this post before but couldn't because the forums where constantly down... and I want to post before the forum goes failing again.
I've read what's been recently posted, and maybe it's not the best time to do my post, but I want to do it after seeing "evidence" being posted by other members.


Let's talk a little about Oizen.

First things first:
1. I don't have any personal problems with him.
2. I talk about things and posts I've personally seen.
3. I've been planning to post this before the most recent events even happened.
4. Sorry if I don't have screenscaps or the quotes to show "evidence".


Oizen has been known as a troll for a long time... it was quite surprising to see him with a "power position".
He passed from kcmm team member to global mod, and I was sincerely amazed when it happened... just how it happened is a complete mystery...
BUT I didn't have a problem with that, I thought "hey, maybe he'll make a good job".
Seems like maybe I was a little wrong...

During the time I've been paying more attention to the off-topic and forum games sections I've seen Oizen's behavior, and I can say he's not been doing a good job.
His way of acting is still troll-like, I've seen him many times spamming, trolling and abusing his power.
Not to say he's completely awful... I mean, a couple of times he's actually made valid warnings... but imo that doesn't compensate with the many times he's acted improperly as a mod.

Moderators are the ones that keep order in the forums, they are an example to the users of how to act... it's a shame that he's an example of a "trolly" mod... what's worse, people just see it as a common and normal thing in him, something that's not worth pointing out or "punishing".
Which raises the question, do Admins and Mods are even "punished" or "warned" for disruptive or improper actions?

A clear example is the infamous family thread.
That thread follows the rules of the forum as well as some explicit rules for it, yet Oizen doesn't follow them BUT "punishes" those who don't.
So, he's practically saying that rules don't apply to him and the people he wants, but apply to everyone else?
Example of rules he's not followed himself:



There's also the unwritten rule of not making 1 word posts, a rule which he always breaks, but everyone else is affected by it, and enforced to not do it with warnings...

His conception of flaming is quite strange... sometimes an opinion seems flaming to him... while other times actual and clear flaming doesn't even catch his attention... then there's those other times in which he has been the one provoking the flaming... isn't that called trolling?

Spamming, double posting, locking a thread, moving said thread, deleting posts of users... just so he can get a "page claim". Good (ab)use of power...


Again, sorry for not having quotes or links to said actions of his... but you can easily look at his latest posts and see part of that trolling, spamming and flaming.

To cover his ass. Duh.

It was originally public, until someone deleted it.

"In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of betrayal of one's sovereign or nation."
I do not see how exposing someone of equal power for deliberately masking public information is treason. It would be treason if I were to defy one of the founders, not someone of identical rank.

And saying "Oh other people have done it before" is pretty much a valid argument at this point, corrupt staff are breaking rules constantly and it rarely goes with consequence. Just because people of lower power are not agreeing with you, they should be punished? No, that in reality is a violation of rights.

*sigh*

I hate people.

Anyway, it has already been said once... but I'll repeat it. This thread is for appreciation, suggestion, and reports. No need to drag this topic into any current drama.

And my two cents: People on both sides of this are taking themselves way too seriously. While rules should be followed by both the staff and the general public, the rules are there to stop serious issues --- not to be the source of petty squabbles.

That said, I'm not gonna spend my time sorting out this issue. I've 'retired' once and never really have come back; I'm here because I have near-absolute control of the forum and brawlvault database (right under Dantarion) and the only people I've trusted with such control have either quit or are considering it.

So... everyone, calm down. I'd rather not ban people (I'm normally the most lenient guy here...) but I have no problem banning, at least temporarily, a good chunk of posters AND staff if it'll quell tempers a bit.

Picano, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but an admin's powers were removed because he disagreed with other staff.  I'm pretty sure that doesn't fall under "petty squable."

While the actions may not be petty, the reasons themselves are.

And no, I did not realize. Who?

It really is nothing more.

The threads were going just fine until Haku-men made that thread about the post count issue.

This entire mess came from an issue involving post counts counting in a sub board of the off topic section.

Now isn't that stupid? Regardless, Picano has spoken.

...While I don't really care about anything that's going on...

Really Picano? You're not going to try sorting this out just because you "don't feel like it"? What's the point of Jack leaving you in complete control of the forum if you're just going to be lazy and not do anything? No offense, but sheesh, if you hate the job that much, quit and find someone else who can do it, or just let the clusterf*** of a forum and staff decide amongst itself who should be head honcho. I mean, if that's how you feel, then what happens might as well not concern you one bit.

Not trying to cause more damage than needed...Well, I don't care if it does anyways, but you come off as sounding like you just don't want to do anything, and that it's not your problem. Normally, it wouldn't be at all, but considering who you are here, just about everything is. -.o'

Unless I'm just missing something here, cause I tend to do that.

That would be Haku-Men, formerly known as Shadow, sir.

But he's a moderator now, and he should be fine with that.

He asked, I answered. Nothing else quite needed.

It's a fairly long and rediculous story, so bear with me here.
Haku makes forum game posts not count under everyone's post count.  Other staff get angry, haku posts this to get the general public's opinion.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23675.0

stuff gets out of hand, it gets locked.  I try to reason with staff members on the issue of post count, Haku's demote, and their rediculous behavior, and get nowhere.  So I post this:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23720.0

stuff gets out of hand, it gets locked.  
In the morning this is posted:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=23751.0

Today the posts begin on page 13. As suggested, I took my complaints to this thread, and what you can see now occurred.

and unlike other responses, I'm telling the whole story.

How so? That's like being fired from a corporate job and rehired as the janitor. I wouldn't be happy.

@Wave: picano controls the daabase. if he quits, there's no more forum. just saying.
that's an exhausting job on its own. he of all people shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense.

Mods have more power then that sort of comparison.

and he should have saw it coming after doing what he did, he paid for his actions.


and I was informing Picano, just quoted you so he'd know about what.

The problem was caused neither by the thread nor Shadow. There have been complaints about Oizen and because of people trying to backup their arguments... well you know the rest.

In a thread that hakumen made about posts in the forum game section.

Oh cry me a river. It's what the job entitles. Stressful or not, it's just like a real job. Do it and get over it, or pass the position on and get out.

Only difference is, he's not being paid to do this, so there's nothing to keep him here if he doesn't want to be, and it definitely sounds like he doesn't want to be.

Do not mistake this message as me trying to kick you out Picano. That's hardly the case.


...You know, you're seriously starting to sound full of yourself now. "He paid for his actions"? You say that as if he actually did something heinously wrong.

I'm in control because either no one wants the position or I don't believe they can handle it.
-Vyse: Quit.
-Jack: Vanished for a long time.
-Miacis: Quit (somewhat)
-Dantarion: He hosts us but he's not a very reliable guy (see: BrawlTex)

There may be some trustworthy people on the forum but I neither have a way to figure out who nor do I want them to despise the community as much as I do at times like this. --- A friend once said, "Never staff something you enjoy".

As far as why I'd rather mass ban people than investigate... it is all subjective; I can read as many posts as I want, review as many logs as I can, but I'll never find a single objective view as to what has happened. Oh, that and I'm a senior in college / will be working a full time job in about a week.

Further more... unfortunately as the problem branches into staff territory (hell, admin territory) none of my logs are trustworthy. So, in my opinion... I feel it best to mass-ban and let everyone cool off a bit; the alternative is leaving KC-MM in the hands of someone I may not trust, possibly dooming it completely either due to further drama or catastrophic database failure.

I see acting without the consent of the administration team to edit part of the board as a serious offense.

sorry, nobody heard me through the bull[censored]

That is irrelevant, the same things could have happened in any thread.

Much worse things have been said by both you, I and probably the rest of the staff, should we all be stripped of our position?

That was not the reason of his demotion, it was because he stated that drage needed to be put in his place.

Honestly, I don't see how a mass ban would help this situation. True, people may cool off during the ban... but what's stopping from them from coming back and starting this whole ordeal over again? It's a big mess either way, really.

Doesn't make it not off topic, and the hate was about me and the forum games.

not just me.

The difference between petty theft and murder.

Are you Saying the Forum is gonna like... die in  a week? Being so that you control the whole database...

The difference is that one is much more serious and has a punishment much more severe.

That statement leaves us as uncaught murderers.

I talked to Jack earlier today and he's fully aware of the current situation and keeping watch over it.

Miacis happens to be an admin again for some reason, though he seems to be part of the "problem" going on here.

Vyse...Meh.

And yeah, Dant might as well not even exist here.

As for the mass banning thing though, that's doing nothing but covering up the issue at hand and letting it linger. It may seem like it's gone, but then it'll come out of nowhere, worse than ever. Mass perma-banning is even worse in a technical sense being that while the issue may end, nothing will be resolved. Plus, it's possible the issue will rise again in another form, or the very same one will come again somehow.

It's basically just saying "I don't feel like dealing with/fixing this, so gtfo". Granted the others should be able to resolve it themselves, but look how far that's gotten everyone.

Nothing has been resolved and everyone is just angrily yelling back and forth and pointing fingers. Someone wants someone to pay, or someone wants someone to shut up for good. No one is trying to just come to a calm resolution where we can just go back to communicating positively and peacefully again.

It's kind of sad really...not the mention damn outrageous. E-drama, I swear. - -'

Not really.

I'm sorry but editing what a board does isn't even comparable to doing something like double posting.

Your arguments are invalid.

(loltypo)

No. I'll be able to help in my free time but, if this situation continues and I do quit... no one will be around to fix technical issues when they happen. In that scenario, the forum WILL be dead until Dantarion does something --- if he even is around / wants to.


It's pushing it under the rug, sure, but well see below.


Good point, and while that may happen... I see it as my best solution.

1) The guys I trust to handle the situation have already quit or want to quit because of this crap.
2) One alternative is killing the Family Thread in every way, shape, or form. (And I see that ending very badly)
3) Third alternative is a complete staff overhaul. (Again, outside of a select few... I don't know who I can trust that would want the job thanks to this)

If you've got a better alternative, I'd love to hear it. Of course, if it takes too much time / effort... still face the issue of getting someone to handle it.

Anyway, end of discussion. All further posts that are not helpful (attempting to rectify the situation) will be deleted; all posts critical of other members will be deleted and their posters will be banned for 1 day minimum.

I think this counts as helping the situation ... I'm trying to explain politely everything that was asked to us and wasn't really properly answered IMO. Feel free to edit out any part you seem innapropriate.

At the time I wrote the apology, I didn't know what Haku-men used his Admin powers for. Since I asked the question "what will you do with your admin powers ?" to every other mod applying to being an admin, I found it fair to ask him too beforehand.
Now, he's replied, and given pretty convincing reasons to me. I'll discuss it with the team, but to me it's okay.

Never have we written or even evocated any rule that said Private messages can't be posted in the admin section. It's the same as reporting to a mod, except Oizen was doing it here to every other mod/admin.
He was perfectly in his right here.

I know we are evil, but it was a minor sanction, for a minor sanction. Stop trying to make it look like we hold grudges against everyone we see. Really.

Ahhh ... the "people in the KCMM Family get to be mods" conspiracy theory ... let's have a look at the facts.

In our moderator list, we still have Canon98, plasmakirby, segab, Gazoinks. These people aren't all that active anymore, and don't even participate in the Family Thread. Let's just skip them.

Next, we have LookItsLink. Who's been a mod ever since the global de-adminization changes, way before the Family even appeared.

dRage, who's been a mod ever since the exact same event.

Oizen was chosen as a mod before the Family Thread too, IIRCE. And he decided to resign, anyway, so yeah.

VILE was an admin, we downgraded him to mod at some time because of lack of activity, (I think ? ). Not a part of the Family either.

Haku-men told me about ds22 being from the Family Thread ... ds22 isn't a part of the Family Thread at all, for starters. And I'm pretty sure we barely ever see him in the Off-Topic boards either. He was chosen mostly for his (extremely) frequent accurate reports on the boards. Right now, he's basically our Sniping Mod. He's also knowledgeable enough about Brawl Hacking, and is one of our "contacts" as to what happens on the SWF. (Well, to me he is. o_o")

Vishkugeta was a mod on the Tourney boards, but that's not what made us chose it. He's a Conflict-solver. He's got a calm and understanding attitude, is helpful and dedicated. When we needed to get on more mod, he was simply the best active candidate we found in the team.

Now, ItalianStallion, you've loved to claim around that the people in the Family get to be mods, are treated favorably, etc etc... what are YOUR facts ?

Sure. Read the rules, and you'll find out, eventually. :)
(Hint : it's in the Accounts section.)

Translation (it's a bit difficult to understand, apparently ?) : We don't allow multi-accounts unless a good reason is given. And yes, doing a little hoax then ditching the account is a good enough reason. Bypassing a sanction isn't one, however.

Now the question is : did it affect you (or anyone) ? Because if you're here to complain about things that don't harm anything or anyone, then uh ... just say it, beause it's a waste of time IMHO.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how a mod "abusing their powers" to do something of no consequences (when there are consequences, it's a different thing, of course ...) is supposed to be punished ? I dunno, but just what is the point ?

Well, they get scolded, and can get demoted. And yes, just like on any boards on the internet, that means mods/admins get extra chances before getting actually sanctionned.
*shrugs* Deal with it.

Question is : why do people have to say everything they hate about this forum NOW ?
Is it because it's so much easier to follow the trend, or so that they want to cause drama ?

I'd probably consider the issue a bit more seriously if the complaints were abut stuff actually having any real consequences. So far, the only issues of consequence I've seen are Oizen's rank (he resigned), and Shadow's rank (gonna have a serious discussion about it in the Admin section).
Everything else, I'll try to solve it by having a little debate in the Admin section about how admin/mods can and should use their powers.

Quoted for truth.
There are some very valid complaints, and I'll try to see them through with the rest of the admin team. Sorry, but everything else is just speculation about how evil we are, and is about matters of no consequence. And no consequence means Priority Zero to me.

So far, the complaints themselves have deteriorated the atmosphere on the boards much more than what they were supposed to solve. I'm pretty sure there were much more reasonnable ways to convey the message than trying to make us look evil at all costs.

?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24172.0

THAT'S RARE..........!!!
NVM Post was erased....

alright, i posted this in the wrong thread, but i think its a problem that needs to be addressed. and if this is against the rules to post in 2 threads, fine. give me a warning i dont care.

Firefox

AdBlock Plus

Right-click image

"AdBlock Plus: Block image"

WHOA IT'S GONE

Adjust steps to suit browser of choice. Unless you're using IE.

Pride already gave him that argument....

That's exactly what i said, but it seems his pc can't handle firefox.. So he wants a rule.. -.-

I think it should not be a rule. because there is only Mr.Luccdo <--I failed to spell the name.
and naruzeldamaster's signature (That is what he said) so with only two people i don't think it should be a rule.

He should try Firefox 4; it's significantly faster.

Or...

AdBlock Plus for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb)

this :/

and lucky eva (aka DMN)

if just a few ppl use it, why not make it a rule?
i use chrome. so i guess ill use that

Few people=Useless rule?

by that logic, since there aren't a lot of murderers, there should be no laws against murder.

You didn't get the point...There is two differents between real life murders and fourms rules.

Murders needs to be a law because murders hurt a lot of people
fourm rules SOME (Like this one) only hurts very few people.

You didn't get the point...I can use a different example if you like.
Public urination.
Its against the law (I think? I guess any sort of public indecency is considered an offence, but I digress).  It isn't common.  It doesn't "hurt a lot of people."
But its also disgusting and nobody wants to see it.  So dey maked it a lawz.

My point was, just because an offence is uncommon, doesn't mean it should be ignored and rules shouldn't be made about it.

I really don't care too much about this whole censor debate, yeah it kinda bothers me, but not enough to right click their avatar and block the image.
But if you're going to argue, at least try to use half-decent logic to back yourself up.

As long as the avatars and signatures are within compliance of the forum rules, then I don't think we should change them just for one person who has a problem with the avatars/signatures of a few people.

I'm not trying to argue, And i don't care if it will be a rule either but it's up to the mods (Or whoever does it)if they want to add the rule or not.

This^



@ the98pika, that is almost the exact same thing as what your proposing...

I've a problem with the RSS of Brawl Vault.

I want to put the RSS of Brawl Vault on my forum for see all new hack on scrolling.

But the RSS of Brawl Vault don't have any pics, only the text. THe RSS have a problem?

Thank to help me.

Try this: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=All&Reported=All&Name=%25&ByUser=%25&Credit=%25&Info=%25&Thumb1=%25&Type=%25%25&TypeAlt=%25

No, that put the RSS of KC MM Actuality :
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2i72qlg.png)

Oh, that sort, sorry idk then...

No problem, thank for the help.

The RSS does have pics, so... it's an error on your end.

I learn a tutorial and my forum use HTLM Code.

The code was created by a site web : http://www.feedbucket.com/

I have some suggestions regarding the index layout.
News and Introductions make sense being at the top, but online gaming and Off-topic Discussion do not.  Especially Off-topic Discussion.  It should be at the bottom, or at least below the hacking board.

I see a lot of people asking for help on the stage board as well.  Rather than move all of those threads, why isn't there a help child board?

On-topic Discussion is way to broad.  There should be some sort of divisions there, similar to what SWF does.  Things are getting buried pretty quickly there now.

Tournaments doesn't get much action, and I think its because its at the very bottom.
Overall, it could use more subdivisions, its a little cluttered.

KTHX4READING.

I kept getting an error when I tried to report a post.

"Database Error
Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator."

I had 500 posts and was a mega kitten now for some reason it's gone down to 485

Must be that someone removed a thread that contained some of your post. Thats why.

Indeed. And looking at the Recycle Bin, I think it comes from Helter Skelter's CSP/SSP/Icon thread. ;)

What! Why would he delete his thread T-T. It was going along great.

:oshi: Why did he go and do that..

Ask him, don't ask me. o_Ô

Shiiitt helter was great ah well

Aww :/ Now I feel bad...

I apologize you guys, but I deleted my thread for two reasons. I want my (future?) thread to look a bit more professional, aaaaand I honestly didn't think my CSP's were all that great O.o

But yeah, if that messed with anyone, I'm sorry, and you guys are still welcome to ask for CSP's if you want

This user keeps spamming all of these threads!

That's because it's a bot, check the ??? links in his signature.

KC-MM is back! But, what happened?

Hey Yeah What Happened To KC-MM?? I Was REALLY REALLY REALLY BORED!! Withouth KC-MM Im Bored!

Glad That Is Back! :happy:

_Data_Drain_ drained us off the web. [/troll]

Something about Conan. I don't know anything else, but that's about it.

Yay! kc-mm is back! what happen to this place? i was bored too...

Edit: Conan? well hope it never happens again.

Umm What Conan What's Wrong With That Hack?

Guys, if you want to talk about it i suggest you make a topic in off-topic/on-topic (where ever it goes since it's about KCMM) and continue there.

Ok Sorry... Umm But I Think Is Better In On-Topic So I Would Make it there

Conan? anyways,
I thought I got Perma-Banned or Something o.0

What makes you think that?

I Couldnt Get on  , and it said "Problem : DEM (NOT AVAILABLE TO IP ADDRESS)

If you're banned it'll show you a message that says "You have been banned from this forum." then it'll have the reason.

Okay guys, we've done some cleaning on the admin panel and added/removed a few stuff.

- Topics are marked as Hot for 3+ pages, and Very Hot for 6+ pages. (It was 1 and 3 pages, before.)

- The search function should go a little bit faster, now. :P

- We're still working on the new censoring system, but anyone can now see through the censorship system if they want, in their Profile. (Look and Layout section)

- It shouldn't affect many people, but if you make a word longer than 50 characters, the boards will go to the line at the 50th character, to avoid page stretching. (Previous value was 200.) This DOES NOT affect URLs.

- I tried activating an option that COULD make the boards run a little bit faster. Or not at all. We'll de-activate it if nothing seems to have changed. :P

And most noticeably ...
I masterfully installed a fantastic auto-resize feature for pictures. (Read : I checked two boxes in the Admin Panel. :P)
So now, pictures in posts that go over the 700x1200 limit will get automatically ressized to fit that limit. :3

I've noticed that every time i use the &#039; in a post and i want to edit it that i get this:
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/PrideToBeMe/Crap/weird.png)

It changes the ' into &#039; and that changes with every edit..
This has been since yesterday i think, never had it before. Any idea what might cause this?

edit: It seems to happen with a lot of the special symbols..

Speaking of bannings why is stickman banned?

Stickman isn't banned, at least.. not according to his profile.
He is missing his powers, picture and everything else though O_o"

edit: He logged in 5 minutes ago, he isn't banned.

I was for the past 5 days though. In short, abuse of trust and power. Nothing that needs reintroduction or discussion again.

Oh sorry, i didn't know that..

Yeah, special characters show up in html code now.  They still post the same though.  could this be because of this?

That's exactly what i was thinking that day, it could be it. They could try and set that option off and see what happens. If that works then we know the cause.

No, that option was related to hostnames checkups. Nothing to do with what happens in posts.

I found the real reason of this thing, but I need to discuss it with picano to see if we can solve this without resorting to removing a convenient new feature ...

Ah ok, well it's good you found it. Since it's kinda annoying to have to change the symbols everytime you edit something ^_^"

Quite annoying to be honest xD

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25946.0

WTF Is That?

It's a topic someone made, where no one replied, and they deleted the first post.

I can't modify my OP thread, i've got everytime :

Error 500.

Seriously, i can't modify my thread, that do everytime Error 500.

Everytime when i want Edit my first post of the thread.

Now that do 2 weeks ago. >.>

Normally, I'd just say "it's random, it happens to everyone, so just try again until it works". Or "Try with another browser."

But let's just keep it simple. PM me the whole contents of the edited OP and I'll edit it in for you.

Hey Miacis, have you found a way to fix the "issue" with the special symbols that change during an edit?

Dang, I forgot about it. I need to discuss it with picano ...
Next time I get on MSN I'll do that.

Alright, no rush. Just wondering ;)

Happen the same when i try to send you the text on PM.

Error 500.

Then send it to me by PM on Nintendo-Revolution. o_o

WTF, i did to modify the thread..

But i can't re-edit lol.

... Parle-moi en français, j'ai rien compris, et ce sera plus simple. >.>

J'ai édité le topic et ca à marché, mais j'ai retenté de éditer et ca marche plus.

Oui, c'est exactement pour ça que je t'ai dit que ça arrivait complétement au hasard et qu'il suffisait d'essayer jusqu'à ce que ça marche. Apparemment, les gros posts mettent plus de temps, donc ya plus de chance que les errreurs se produisent comme ça.

Normalement, si tu n'as pas un navigateur en mousse, faire "Précédente" sur la page d'erreur te permettra de refaire "Poster" ta chance sans avoir à re-éditer ton post.

we need to get the server Bigger i can´t update my Thread now with all the images/test becoz of that 500 error even then almost no one is online i still getting that

have you tried donating to dantarion?  That might fix it.  Otherwise you really shouldn't complain.

i wish i can since this site is awesome but i can´t pay for things on the internet no credit card or paypal(yet)

Yeah ... except we don't have infinite funds or server space, so ...
It's already pretty sweet that Dantarion is willing to host us when we're that big already.

It's easy to complain about the 500 error, but nobody in the website team is ever seeing a single $ of what is donated, so what we can provide you is exactly what you give us. Heck, even a few members of the team donated already.

Edit : Ninja'd ... sorta. :ninja'd:

Apparently you delete all messages about the story of me with Nekomon. -_-

I'll actually agree with PAVGN on that one. You already sent a report to the admins. Starting a witch hunt here and having everyone pity you won't accelerate the case being taken care of.

(And I don't know who deleted the posts. Wasn't me.)

Je vais parler en francais.

L'histoire de Nekomon a commencé depuis Mars maintenant. Je ne suis pas une personne à chercher ou à provoquer des problèmes. Je n'ai pas parlé de son hack nulle part ou à qui conque et je recois ce PM qui m'insulte. Même si ce n'est pas méchant c'est quand même une insulte même de la provocation. Je clique donc sur le bouton "Report" et je post aussi ici car je ne sais pas comment marche le bouton "Report" si vous recevez instantanément donc j'ai posté aussi ici.

Well, we did. In fact, he's already been warned. You can stop talking about it here.

Now.

Can we please start using a mibbit embedded chat rather than the java applet? everyone has problems with the java applet, and I think more people would use the chatroom if it actually worked.

(http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg223372#msg223372)

I totally agree with this.

^ This.

The current one screws up my browser so badly.

I agree with the previous three post

The browser don't really screw up for me, but I need to answer to two screens asking me if I want to block the page ...
So yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with a Mibbit-based Chat.

Mibbit chat gets a vote from me.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=19025.msg548274#msg548274

Oh my gawd, i lol'd.

Wow, thanks for making me LOL! And why isn't the user Warned?

Well, he's banned. We can Warn him on top of that, but that would probably be adding insult to injury. ._.

Then click the "Report to Admin" button; don't post it here.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people. Stop making this stuff public.

I don't know if I asked this before, but could you please raise the Maximum Character Limit?

We tried, and we can't.
It's actually a database / timeout restriction. So even if we increase it, the posts will still get cut off by the DB's limit.

Is there any kind of advanced search option in SMF that could be added?

There is, just not very easy to find.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?action=search;advanced;search=test

When searching normally, you are taken to the results page. Above, you can click the search link... which then can link again to the advanced.

Oh, thank you

Good day, I just want to bring up this again:



The rules need an update, they are too "general", they really need to be more specific, clear, and include things that aren't written but are sanctioned by the moderation team.

As an example, the first thing that comes to my mind is the bypass of the word filter.
I tend to write "f*ck", "b*tch" and "sh*t", not in an offensive way, but as an expression.
Still, I don't even know if that's considered as bypassing and if I should receive a warning for it, because the rules don't make clear enough what's bypassing and what isn't.



Also a little complain I have... Rules should be applied to EVERYONE here. Including mods, admins, "n00bs", "veterans", team members, etc.
I hate to see favoritism about someone breaking the rules just because said person is friend of a mod or admin, or because they have "a position" in the forum.

Everybody should be equally punished, and the sanctions should be carried on by the times stipulated in the rules. I've seen people who were Warned or Moderated, but their warning levels are removed before time, or in some cases the Warned level staying longer than it should.



I'm also wondering if there's something planned about this:


It's a great idea and people support it, so... are you gonna do something about it?

It's a blanket "don't bypass the censor," and it means exactly that: don't do it in any way.

We have a censor. It censors words (who would've guessed?). There is no need for you to censor yourself, as in the example you gave. The censor does it for you. Just write the word and let the censor do its job.


I don't really see what this has to do with moderation...

Anyway, something like this is generally up to Jack or pic. I could probably do it, but my connection here is awful; editing and testing would take way longer than it should and wouldn't be worth the frustration.

If it's not done by Sunday, I can look into it, maybe. I have no problem with the Java version.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

We'll see..

This 100%, you said it better then I could have even.

Kill the bots :srs:  All the users underlined here are bots.  Don't believe me?  Look at their sigs and ages:

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx299/SiLeNtDo0m/botmania.png)

We had discussed a few debatable points some time ago in the Admin boards, mainly the rules about multi-accounts and the censorship.
The goal was to update the rules, but nothing was done in the end, so I might relauch that when I have the time.

I see lots of accusations being thrown around, but if I may remind you about something :
It's up to the discretion of the moderator to change the length of the sanction rank. And I'm pretty sure it's written in the rules. Sometimes it's longer than the default time, sometimes not. I personnally think (and I believe most mods/admins are doing the same) that punctual, minor mistakes like a necropost/double-post/censor byspass should only give a week of warning if it's the first offense.

I personnally disapprove of removing ranks manually. Simply because the rank will always go away by itself. I know some mods are doing it if users complain hard enough about their sanction having lasted "more than expected", but I believe it's a pretty bad idea. (Probably because sometimes, the sanction was lengthened to begin with ...).

*********************

One last thing : I'd be quite more concerned about these "favoritism" claims if the main 5-6 complainers weren't always the same. Some of them being regular participants in the anti-Oizen crusades™ .

So let's make things a little bit more simple. Mr. Wright, I hope you have some very solid evidences to support your claim.
Give us some BLATANT proofs of favoritism. Something that cannot be left to interpretation and that cannot be considered mere laziness/generosity/severity (or a joke with a consenting victim >.>). Because stuff like that is always up to the mod's discretion anyway. Show us something that is nothing but pure unprofessionalism, and not just something you disagree with.
Oh, and preferably something pretty recent too. Because the past is history, the future is a mystery and Today is a gift.  :D

Because otherwise, I don't really think we'll have anything to work on and solve such an alarming issue.

(And no leaked stuff, of course. What is in the admin section stays in the admin section.)

Many of the accounts here are bots, and the same goes for most forums.  It really isn't a problem unless they start posting.  And besides, most of those bots probably joined before the new anti-bot system in registration was there.


How recent are you talking?  Because there were plenty of events that occurred a few months ago, many of which have gone unnoticed, and I hope we aren't trying to bury that here.


Also, when is a joke qualification for ignoring the rules, even with a consenting victim?  Abuse is abuse, I don't think its fair to the forum users when these jokes occur.  It sets a bad example, and its pure unprofessionalism.

If the only problems were the ones you guys already mentionned monthes ago, they haven't gone unnoticed and seem to have been solved.
If they haven't, then I'm waiting for the "blatant favoritisms" that I was asking for.

The question was already discussed in the Admin section. Harmless stuff or private jokes that do not have any negative repercussion on the boards/online life of the "victim" won't start getting hunted. We have more important stuff to care about.

Seriously, if all you guys have to complain about is mods making bets where the loser gets a 10-minutes ban ... Really, do you have so much time to waste ? Why do you even care ?
Even the aforementionned bots have more impact on the boards than that.

PS : LordNoah, your very membersgroup could be easily qualified of power abuse, pure unprofessionalism, and utter favoritism, if I may.

I got quite severely scolded for creating such kinds of ranks and giving them off to random people. Had I been holding grudges, I'd have female doged at Hakumen for it. But I didn't. Nobody did in fact, unless I'm mistaken.
Because we don't give a damn. It's freakin' harmless.

I think some people would disagree with that.

I wasn't talking about membership groups either, but now that you bring it up...http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=22262.0

Thanks, and I mentioned it here because it's something that was posted and discussed in this thread, so I assumed it was right to ask about it here... since I don't have a clue where else it could go.


Wrong, I'm not Wright, I'm Godot. :K

Anyways... so practically you're telling me that I have to "start a witch hunt" and screencap things I see in the forums from now on to make my claims valid, because past actions from let's say... 2-3 weeks ago and under won't count...

I'm too lazy to do that, but whatever, seems like I'll have to start doing it since apparently I'm not able to "report to moderator" anymore...
I wonder if it's a glitch.


Also, I have to be clear about this once again: I don't have a personal thing against Oizen.
This doesn't have anything to do with him, and my post wasn't directed towards him.
I'm not in an "anti-Oizen crusade".
I mentioned my claim in a more general way, if people who have something against him agree with my post... well, that's not my problem since I was merely saying what I think.

I know they would. An admin making groups about his maid and slaves is like totally professionnal.
Nice quote out of context there, btw. Vyse would be happeh.
And yeah, thanks for pointing out an excellent exemple of harmless joke. On April Fools Day nonetheless.
Dang, I hate that day, all those dang admins on all those dang websites doing harmless jokes and power-abusing like crazy. It makes me so mad. It's so unprofessionnal. :o)


I'll content myself with stuff from 2-3 weeks ago if you don't have anything else. Sounds "recent" to me.
Send out the blatant favoritism examples so we can start smiting people. >.>


On the Stages board and its sub-board, the Report function doesn't seem to be working for unknown reasons. I realize just now we never announced that officially. Our bad.
(We're working on it. :P) (We = picano)

Otherwise, you can ask your admin "Master" and he'll confirm to you that you have your reporting rights everywhere else on the boards.

Wow, please don't pretend that wasn't a big deal.  Iirc, you almost lost your admin powers over that.

Fair enough, I won't bring up past occurrences, because they apparently never happened.

But I'm realizing now that many of the current bad moderation comes from simply bad judgement and vague rules.  Here are some examples:

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26556.msg543650#msg543650




(please note that I'm not arguing with the swear filter bit here, I'm pointing out both were giving an example and only one was warned).

There are plenty more, I'm sure you see them.  I now see that it isn't favoritism or power abuse, but simply stupid decisions and poorly written vague rules.  I'm all for someone writing the rules over, but I'd prefer it not be just one person >.>

Its also stuff like, when I PM you about the irc and you ignore me, or when you delete my posts because they may have made you look bad.  I guess that stuff annoys me a bit.

Guys is this against rules?
If u don't see well what he said here:

It's not wrong...
He was saying it like an expression, not to destroy it.

That's the second time I read that. And for the second time, there's absolutely nothing true in that.
You can ask any other admin : I temporarily left because of IRL issues, getting tired of the job, etc...
I could even find you the post whre I mentionned all that, had Oizen's clumsiness not completely broken the topic. I guess I could give you the MSN discussion I had with picano (or was it stickman ? Can't remember) right before giving up.

Or just ask your favorite leaker if there's any post in the admin section showing that I "almost lost my admin powers" because of the April Fools.


One of the mods was lazy while the other was too severe.
I said we'd be taking care of clarifying the rules soon. I've got a pretty busy week, but maybe someone could relaunch it instead, and it would be great.


Ah yes, when you asked me "did you talk to picano about the Mibbit chat ?" Well, I've got like 10 people always asking me to contact mods, investigate on stuff, ask vertex tips, etc... Sometimes I tend to forget about some of them.
So how about you just contact picano yourself ? It's not like the empty IRC is such a pressing matter, anyway.
I replied to pretty much all your other PMs, so if you're mad for one I've forgotten/didn't have time to do, then you should really correct your priorities.


I am not even sure about what you're talking about there. I know for a fact that deleting your post like that would get me Vyse, a good part of the board, and half of the moderation team on my back.
The rare posts to ever get deleted on this board are offensive material, and most of the time, off-topic cleaning. Something that Vyse is usually doing.

Ok. in the interest of pointing out problems (Something that moderation is very uncomfortable with) I'm going to ignore this forum's definition of "recent", I'm going to list all of the power abuse and bad decisions I've seen on the parts of the admins/mods since the last "anti-Oizen crusade". I'm tired of hearing about past occurrences no longer being relevant. That might be true for somethings, but It doesn't apply to everything. If I murdered someone in the past, and decide now that I'm no longer going to be a murderer, that doesn't mean that past murder no longer matters, or that that murder should be forgiven and forgotten. The same thing applies here, this forum has a history of power abuse with said power abuse going unpunished. As well as the deletion of posts that make the admins/mods of this place look bad, as LordNOaH said.

Let's start with this thread. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24310.0) Someone suggested that instead of locking every goodbye topic that gets made that a goodbye section be added. Harmless enough, but of course a few mods used the thread as an excuse to take shots at others.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25786.0 (Dead Link)
A bot started an introduction topic, and a few people posted there. Each and everyone receives a warning. Here are my problems with this:

First, just because you post in a topic started by a bot doesn't mean you're contributing to spam. Contributing to spam would be more along the lines of responding to someone who's spamming a thread with spam.

Also, warning everyone who posted there implies that that person doesn't think that someone could have posted there, genuinely not knowing/thinking It was spam. In other words, closed mindedness.

Hakumen thinks he's doing his job, but he's out of line here.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=17547.msg506919#msg506919
Now I know the "No multi-posting" rule is pretty standard stuff, but I've been to a few forums where people aren't punished for that as long as the multiple posts are new things being said instead of adding to what was already said. And I agree with that, I think that If you're just going to add to what you've already said you should edit your post. But If you're saying something new altogether, you should be allowed to make a new post. If you say something new, but in a post edit, most people probably won't know/see It because they only receive email notification of new replies, not edited posts. And nobody watching the topic would probably have any reason to check the topic unless they do receive an email telling them about a new reply. That's why I think people shouldn't be punished for multi-posting. But even putting that aside, ds22 behaved rudely towards TCLL in this situation.

The StarW (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26054.msg536243#msg536243)affle Situation. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=26428.msg536950#msg536950)
Now I have mixed feelings about this because I really hate spam. Spam might not hurt anyone, but It's incredibly stupid which is why I hate It. Starwaffle putting too many o's in the word "No" however is far less stupid than most spam I've seen. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I don't think he should have gotten a warning the first time he did It. Now to be fair, he didn't need to blow the situation out of proportion like he did, but I find It insulting for Oizen to say this to him: Because admins/mods do have immunity to the rules. He might as well have just said "You should have become an admin If you wanted immunity to the rules".

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27180.msg556941#msg556941
LordNOaH has already talked about this well enough so I'll just quote him:

The last and most recent thing I'd like to mention is this: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20181
That link will take you to a blank Brawlvault submission that has been deleted. It wasn't deleted because It was a blank submission, It was deleted because the hack creator was in a chat with some hackers and as a joke, they all decided he should upload a really [censored]ty poorly done hack called "Oizen is a bad mod". It was a legitimate 2D stage that said "Oizen is a bad moderator" scribbled in the background. The description said "Download if you agree" and It had 35 downloads before It was removed for no good reason.

Bottom line: The admins/mods of this place haven't learned anything from the last "anti-Oizen crusade", and the fact that they're saying we should forget about It simply because It happened in the past just shows that they don't think, or don't want to admit, that they're wrong. That they don't want to accept responsibility for their actions. And that they want to continue to get away with this abuse of power.

Well, I'm not going to let this get ignored.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27688.msg568287#msg568287
The blog did not contain "obscene material" (wow, hadn't realized stick drawings were as bad as nippleless cat women and other quite obviously nsfw pictures that pop up so often on this forum, but we're going to ignore this blatantly undeniable fact as it shouldn't be necessary) at the time I posted the link.

It was suggested to me that I should have removed the link when the "obscene material" was posted.  Well, I don't sit at home refreshing my browser all day, terribly sorry about that.  Besides, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fall under MY job, now would it?

And even if none of that mattered, it could have been handled like regular staff members on many other forums would have done and simply removed the link or deleted the topic (while I think this one was removed for more reasons than "obscene material," but with the later blog entries, that's completely understandable).  You guys really do infractions wrong.  That's another issue though.

Moving on.  


(well here I am in the moderation topic, I'd really love to stop talking about it, as soon as you stop doing it.  And really? Discomfort and stress?  You try getting muted or warned for no reason, like you just did to 5+ people.  Top tier hypocrite, you are)


1.  How [censored]ing convenient of you to stop us mid-conversation.  There was nothing wrong with the discussion that we were having, I wasn't even the one to have brought it up in the first place, and there was no reason to stop it.  
2.  He ninja'd me with that post.
3.  So I can't even defend these bull[censored] accusations of me being behind kitty-leaks without getting infracted now?  That's also terribly convenient.

Anyhow, the posting continued about kitty-leaks, and I remained the only one infracted.  I tried to make a post about it, but it wasn't approved.  I then received a PM:

Well, aparently you didn't mean it, and my faith was just fine, because I saw another time it was brought up, again without a warning.  I posted:

This time Oizen approved the post just so he could mute me.  Then he warned the person I had addressed.

Man, I'd love to go around telling everyone to stop what they were talking about or I'd mute them.

Later in the day, I saw other instances of where it was brought up on the next few pages.  I showed Oizen and he warned them too.

Wow.  Please unwarn all of those people.

Perhaps the worst part of this is you all [censored]ing ignored it.  I PM'ed three of you.  I KNOW you had all seen it before I did, and I know more staff that I didn't message saw it as well.  Only one of you said he'd look into it, and I never heard back.  And don't say that you were just about to- or you weren't on, because you all were, and you all saw what happened.  I'm really sorry I've caused all of you to dislike me for pointing out things that are broken on this forum.  Including this.  Its sad.

Remember that little report to moderator button?

It works in forum games, unlike what you think I don't spent all my time in the family thread, I've been out all of today, and don't ususally read any pages I miss.

So what you're saying is you want me to have an all seeing eye for these things?

Try re-reading buddy, I don't think you quite got the message.

Well first of all, thanks PAVGN for taking the time to gather all of this.

For starters, I'd like to clear a misconception : Mods are normally sanctionned like any kind of user for breaking any major forum rules. But since we don't really have all that many mods doing useless double-posts, asking for ROMs, etc I guess it's not all that visible. I admit there's been some rare slip-ups in the pasts in the Trolling/Flaming department where we got kinda laxist. Sanctionning mods is simply not an habit, (even though generally they get at least a firm scolding). I dunno, I guess it's kinda like a lot of boards ? Do you guys often see banned mods elsewhere ? I don't.  :-\
Bad moderation tactics and bad handling of things generally lead to a more or less harsh scolding. As I'll illustrate with a few of your examples.


I saw that, and made a pretty pissed off topic in the admin section about it. The main answer I got from the admins who took a shot at the users didn't sound very repentant though, although Hakumen at least apologized for his bad mood on that day. (I guess I can transmit these apologies to the users ? If not, well, my bad, that was an unintentionnal "leak".)


I just learned about that ... well, that's a pretty stupid reason to sanction people indeed.
We "recently" had a discussion about using simple cleaning insted of sanctions for stuff like that (here, that would be deleting the thread). Not sure if it happenned before or after we discussed it.


About that multi-post thing, we kinda discussed the matter already in the admin section in a separate topic, and we're staying on the same ground as before about that, apparently.
I guess ds22 was a bit rude in the formulation there, but TCLL has illustrated himself for doing quadruple posts to add new things, but like ... 10-20 minutes after the first one ! So I guess alot of saints of the boards would have started sounding a bit more "injunctive" in his stead. >.>
I'll also repeat what I already told him by PM (and that he ignored later on ...) :
If you really need to add something to your post and want EVERYONE to be notified about it, there's the simple trick or copying the first info, deleting thepost, and posting a new post with both the first and second info. Takes a few seconds and is quite better for the lisibility.

But I guess if you guys like, REALLY insist, we could re-discuss the situation and maybe opt for a compromise, like : ONLY ONE double post and only if there's new info inside. (So that we don't get, like, 15 posts of the same person in a row.)

Also, I think personnal threads (where you expose your creations) are exempted of the multi-post rule for adding updates.Thatt should probably cover up a good 90% of the needs to double-post.



I personnally exposed my opinion on the matter and stated that the warning for a "spammy" word was a bit harsh, since a simple edit would have sufficed.
But SW blew it out of proportion and started using report abuses too, so well ...


I kinda already replied to that one ... We'll need to rediscuss this part of the rules.


It was deleted that way simply because it was flaming a board user. The Vault is not made for that.

Sorry if we didn't put it into the rules, I guess it seemed so obvious to anyone ...
We'll probably add a painfully indigest wall of text to precise more obvious stuff. Like :
You can't upload viruses in BV.
You can't upload racial slurs to BV.
You can't put submissions in the Vault that let you earn money from it.
You can't upload the exact same hack 77 times in a row.
You can't upload a hack whose only goal is to flame a board user.
 r)

Bottom line: You guys don't necessarily know everything that is discussed in the admin threads. We discuss alot of stuff. And there's alot that are planned to be discussed next.
If you believe something in particular should be discussed, then you should just use this thread to ask us to start a discussion about it. I mean, it's kinda what this topic is for. It's not the "Everyone Blame Oizen thread". >.>

Sometimes, it happens that severe/laxist/illogical moderation slips under our nose. If you find a sanction to be uncalled for, you can always report it in this thread (or even "re-report" the post that was sanctionned. We'll understand what you mean.)

But, y'know, it would be nice to do it, like, WHEN THE PROBLEM HAPPENS. Or in a reasonable delay after that. Like 1 week after.
That way the team can discuss it and see what need to be done.

Dumping a load of problems on us, all at the same time, is just asking for stufff to get forgotten. We just can't do everything at once. x_x

I've been warned before, so has Oizen and stickman. We're not immune to the rules.



So flaming someone in the form of a stage is okay?



dRage and I both replied to your PMs.

EDIT: ninja'd by Miacis, but still.

So, am I reading this wrong, or are you against almost everything that was brought up, and are agreeing that this was out of line, and that needs changing?

I am SO confused here.

Also, this: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=2555.msg472540#msg472540

So many mixed messages here.  At least we know Miacis agrees though ^-^


I didn't say "reply", I said "look in to"
which I took for "possibly change a blatantly wrong action"

Is this a Moderation and Suggestions thread, or a flamewar thread? I must have misread the title.

Uh ... wut ?
Admins were never ever able to be warned/moderated/muted. Before the warning system existed, it was impossible of course.
And when the system was brought to the boards ... well, of course you can't warn/moderate/mute an admin. Admins can remove these sanctions at will. Try and be logic for a second. >_>

And if we ever came to the decision to ban an admin for something really bad, it's pretty easy : Remove admin rank => Ban.

Not quite sure if this is directed at me, but I'll answer to it.

Well, rather than report oizen's infractions and him see that, I thought I'd PM you to let you know.  I think either way it really shouldn't matter, correct?  You were notified pretty quickly.

I also apologize for not complaining about vish's warning earlier, I went out of my house for a brief period.

But this really didn't slip under your nose.  As I said before, many of you saw it fairly quickly, and I made sure you did by PM'ing you.  It didn't "slip under your nose", I made sure of that.

I also am not sure why you suggested me reporting it in this thread, I was muted.

That was not directed to you. That was a general assesment that people tend to dump problems on us, all at the same time. Sounds almost like they don't care about it until it becomes easy to put the blame on us ... >.>

I really have no opinion at all to give on that issue you mentionned, to be honest, considering the exceptionnal circumpstances of having one of our users (yes, we know who it is) doing such a blog, you posting it on the boards, and everything else.

I guess it was harsh to chain the sanctions like that. Something I told to Oizen in private...
But it's not really easy to judge something like that considering lots of things were unexpected, including the actions of some Mods/Admins. At least, not easy for me.

2+2=???

I Really Don't Mean to bug anyone... but i had a question about my warning..

Thar was a large argument about Lordnoah having a part in the "Kitty Leaks" Comic, and Oizen Ordered a shut down of all talk about it.
So Then I Spoke of something, that had something to do with it, and i got warned. Understood, but then the same day, This girl was talking about it, and She is still un-warned.

I dont mean to cause trouble , but what i said had nothing to do with the comic itself...

Thats what I've been saying.  Oizen's original intent was only to moderate/mute me.  He only warned you and calmitias and LC-DDM because I brought it up.

So, the correct move for you staff members would be to remove all theses bull[censored] infractions.  I don't think I can be much clearer.

I didnt believe I was flaming I thought I was just making a stage that got unrightfully taken down. Show me exactly how I was flaming and if so, warn me then bro. Also I couldnt possibly agree with LordNoah more. This is getting ridiculous. Do you guys wanna create an atmosphere of professionalism or criminals? Now people are getting in trouble for just ridiculous stuff. Come on just use some basic judgement once in awhile.

Directly stating someone is a bad moderator (and asking for support on top of it) falls under this category. (btw "bad moderator" is an insult for future reference)
The mods had every right to remove that hack.

^ This. But, I think instead of removing it, everything involved with Oizen could have been removed out, since it seems the Submission Stage was legit?

From what I gather, the only reason the stage was made was to troll Oizen. (The stage background itself said that stuff) So what else could it say? "______ is a bad moderator" ?

That's just not acceptable

We'll let the author decide and redo his stage into a legit one if he feels like it.
We're not going to push our privileges to edit a BV hack ourselves without the author's agreement. We just remove/edit out rule-breaking hacks.

Judging by the pictures.. It wasn't legit at all, it seems.. Now I wonder what was in the DL link. ._.; But yeah, I totally agree with what you both are saying, I just thought that if the DL contained a legit Stage, it should have stayed with everything concerning the insulting removed, but I doubt this is the case.

I launched a big discussion in the Admin section to update the ambiguous parts of the rules. And to discuss about some innapropriate moderation tactics. Happy now, guys ? :P

Hardly, I assumed that was already being done.  And all those foolish infractions are still here.

Sorry if we didn't meet your impatience standards, sire.

considering this was brought up APRIL 20TH I think my patience is just fine.

Also, lets deal with all staff that have made poorly placed sanctions the same, shall we?

Don't know if you caught that, but Vile was demoted for retarded warnings, but Oizen was not?

-.-

ya'll crazy for this one.

Wait a minute. How can you say this and then say ?

Can admins be sanctioned or not? Obviously "a firm scolding" isn't enough to stop abuse of power.



Well then how about making It so that admins/mods can be warned/moderated/muted and once an admin/mod receives an infraction they can't remove infractions? At least from themselves?



Yes, you did handle that situation better than the others and actually did something about the suggestion presented. I commend you for that.





Well It's nice to see that we agree about something.



Fair enough. I guess that works too.



Well technically all you need to say is that the Brawlvault is only for hacks. Since there's been a few times where custom stages (as in Stage Builder stages) have been uploaded, there are some people that didn't quite get that immediately. So stating that It's only for hacks will get that message across to those people as well as covering the Captain Obvious "no viruses" rules at the same time. Not that there ever have been viruses uploaded to the vault. Well, as far as I know anyway.



Then something should be done about this guy. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20023#ByUserID=6478&Moderated=All) He put a donation link in the description for his hacks, possibly because he needs money as motivation to hack. This was already discussed apparently, but you did just say you aren't allowed to earn money from hacks.







I am a firm believer that hackers can make whatever they want. However, for the sake of a less hostile atmosphere on the forums, people should refrain from uploading hacks that insult other hackers into the vault. Also, considering the kind of person Oizen is (I don't really need to illustrate what I mean by that do I?), the fact that the hack was deleted and any information of what It was was removed, It really seemed like the hack was removed because Oizen couldn't handle being insulted. The fact that he didn't want people talking about Kitty Leaks adds to this.



Then I'll PM you the download link so you can see for yourself.

Since that was mostly directed at Miacis, I'll cover what I can.

The warning system is a forum plugin; not something that picano coded in his free time. We just can't do what it wasn't intended to do, which is moderate an admin.

We aren't allowed to force people into making us money. (Example is putting a download that can only be reached by submitting a survey) They can, however, donate out of free will.

And I see you keep quoting me from that Private Message between us. I said that out of ignorance because I didn't have a better explanation for you. At that point in time, I was not an admin the year before, so I did not know how things were handled. I thought that was a good enough reasoning at the time, but now I see that "private" doesn't mean anything, and I have to think about what my messages will look like 3 months in advance when used against the moderation team. Joy. Sorry, it looks like I gave you permission to post that. My mistake.

And stop trying to make it look like Oizen is a baby for taking down the hack and stopping discussion of Kitty Leaks. In both cases, the content was offensive, which is against the rules, so he had every right to stop it.

I probably shouldn't be making this post, so feel free to delete It If you agree. But you gave me permission to post those PMs.


So you really can't complain about me bringing them up again. Unless you don't remember you giving me permission, in which case It's understandable.


The offensive content thing is easily abusable. "I don't like this so I'm going to claim It offended me to get It removed". Not that I'm saying this is the case here.

I'm sorry about that. Please excuse me. I just looked in my PM's and I did find that I said yes. My mistake.

But the offensive content stuff is obvious. It is directly insulting or in bad taste, and anyone can see that. If it was given a vote, the outcome would be the same.

For the record, I didn't take action there until a decent amount of users openly said they were offended.

By now I've removed all (? if I missed you somehow, please PM) warnings from people who discussed it, since I didn't intend for them to last very long. But now there are set guidelines for that sort of thing, which I will be following.

I'm not sure how me denying that the blog was my doing was offensive.

Discussion of that leads to more discussion.

Regardless, we know who was behind it now, sorry for the accusations.

It can't, but if somebody crosses the limit, he'll get eventually demoted => banned, but it's in extreme cases. Or we do something like for Hakumen and restrict his accesses. But these are very occasionnal cases and take too much to do anyway.
If you find something abusive, you're free to talk about it with the concerned admin or here. But again, it's kinda better to do it when you see said "power abuse". Not 3 weeks later.

We'll probably add that and add another line which mentions what rules from the boards still apply to BV reports and submissions. Like "These board rules also apply to BV reports and BV submissions : Flaming, Disruptive Behaviour, Trolling, etc..."

Not really. I was the one who deleted it before even asking Oizen about it. And the reactions of people pointing out that hack were rather revealing. Even though they had no link to Oizen, they didn't support that insult at all.
The info was removed simply because the info was saying "Oizen is a bad mod, DL if you agree", so ... It falls under the rules.

I also wanted to point out, about KL, that Oizen wasn't really all that badly targeted and didn't seem bothered all that much (to me ?) about his treatment. He was probably more when some people felt offended later on.

***

Also, we're trying to look for more ways, beside the new rules, to have more transparent moderation.

I deleted a hack now?
I haven't even touched my BV powers in weeks, what are you people talking about?

and Miacis you're right, I personally, don't care about Kitty Leaks, infact I would have completely ignored it if other users weren't bothered by it.

o_o I don't see what's really the use of defending a hack that was obviously made for insulting someone, just checking 2 of the 3 pictures it had it's proof enough it wasn't a serious hack and needed to be deleted.

Introducing the Moderation Corner: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0

As the description states, this is a board for asking a question about or challenging a moderation you've received. The permissions are set such that you may view and reply to only your own topics, but the moderation team can view and reply to everything like usual.

I recommend reading the board's rules (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=27987) before posting there.

This board was my idea; I felt like it offered more transparency and access to the mods than posting in this thread or replying to your moderation PM.

That's actually a good idea Vyse.
This thread gets cluttered pretty fast.

Pretty clever.

Sweet Vyse :D

I actually think this is a great idea, this "Moderation Corner" might help out with users in the future that cause problems and we can talk about the reason why they were "Warned" in the first place.

Sounds like a blast. Great idea either way >.>

I think they have something similar at All is Brawl. But it's an excellent idea. Good thinking!

Lol Well All is brawl is a Awesome wedsite! i chat with mah friends there :D

(Dang, it's at the bottom of the Index page. >_< Hope I won't forget to visit it.)

Anyways yeah, I also approve of Vyse's idea (in public this time :P).
I'll chime with Vyse and insist on people reading the rules mentionned there. They are pretty straightforward.

Since half of the forum has a Warning now a days, this new section is great!

I would have put it at the top, with the rest of the admin stuff, but Jack and I thought that having a "moderation contest" board as the first thing people see might be a little off-putting.

You sir, are awesome.



I thought it would be tacked under General and above hacking.

but its fine where it is.

Yeah, I agree that it's definitely more logical. It's just that it doesn't fit my (pretty difficult) standards of convenience. :P

Oh btw, a little question : is the number of posts/replies (on the index page) displaying the true content of the sub-board to regular users, or is it a "fake value" ?

Maybe we should edit the warning message, to mention this http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?board=39.0

Idk if it was already done, but it seems like a good idea.

It'd  be good to link that in the PM that is sent alerting you.

Done. Intended to do it from the start, but didn't have time to mess around with the files.

I have no idea. If I had to guess, it probably shows the real value.

Fake value. I only see 1 topic / 1 post, and that is Vyse's rules (unless nobody has used it yet, then I cannot tell).


Edit: Whoops, nobody posted there.. I'll let you know what I see when someone does post there.

Well i don't see any other topic aside Vyse's so i guess someone needs to make a test topic there? I wouldn't mind making one to test it.

Even if someone made a topic you wouldn't see it. As Vyse has stated:

That is a fact BUT it was abput the value of seeing the total number of posts and topics when viewing the main forum page (where you see all the boards wth their topic and post counts)

Ohai.
I just wanted to make a request for multi-quoting.
Perhaps there could be an option in our profiles to multiquote upon hitting the Quote button, default set to off?
Or better yet, a Multiquote button separate from the Quote button?

And another question:
If I were to make a sort of newcomers tutorial (detailing the netiquette, tools, posting tips, etc for this here forum), should it be in Introductions, Off Topic, or Help?
Preferably I'd like as many people to read it as possible.

This'd be nice.

Also, whatever happened to the past quoting system? Where if you quoted someone, it'd grab everything he had in his/her post, including a quote?

That, my friend, is multiquoting.
I assume it was removed in order to make everyday posting less resource-intensive.
Which is why I suggested that it could be an option which, as a default, is set to off.

Iirc, Miacis modified something so the quote system allows only to catch the quote of the person being quoted.
It was because of people's tendency to quote and respond a quoted post and so on... resulting in an enormous chain of quotes that was completely unneeded.

Imo it was a good measure since people didn't pay attention to the advice of stop doing it... but I would suggest keeping it up to 3 quotations instead of 1.

That's a good idea, And it wouldn't be too lengthy since it's only 3.

how come I'm getting 17 pages of no results
(http://i.imgur.com/BKto0.png)
I know there is results, I tried again with a different word and got something similar.

Same. Happens in most threads for me.

It's not. It's nested quoting.

Multiquoting is a feature some forums have that lets you select multiple posts, click Quote, and arrive at a posting page with all of the posts quoted.

If nested quoting is what you want, there's just an on/off box in the Admin panel. No way to make it stop nesting after a certain number or anything. I'll look for a mod, though, because honestly not having it kind of annoys me, too.

Edit: And nothing was found. Sorry, guys, but unless someone wants to code it...

Thanks for the correction, Vyse.
An on/off box you say? Asuka's suggestion for a limit of nested quotes is good.
If there's no way to implement this then don't worry about it, I'll just go nest my quotes manually.
...Even if they don't look right. :(

To whom it may concern: admins and mods are now subject to the warning system.

Vyse climbed a rung on his echeladder! He is now a Programming Prodigy!

(Actually it wasn't hard at all)

So PAVGN won't stop pestering me about Eldiran's Zero with him using the sword and keep constantly reporting it just because he turns around whenever he uses 2 items. Cracker Launcher and Ray Gun.

This is probably a small problem with the animations, but over 1000 people have downloaded it and not one has complained or bothered to mention it until he decided to. I have no intention or reason to bother fixing such a small and minor problem and have asked him to stop being so needlessly persistent about it, however he insists on reporting it constantly until I fix it despite my not really being a hacker anymore.

That or he wants me to put it in the description that it happens, but once again, I don't see a reason to since no one else seems to care. Plus Beyond edited Zero's animations, not me, so I wouldn't know how if anything was actually changed in the animation or how to fix it. - -'

In any case, would someone mind politely asking him to stop? Being bothered day to day over something so small is rather irritating.

Sounds like a valid report to me. Whether you "intend to fix it" is irrelevant.

With the time you spent writing that post, you could have added a note to the description and gone about your night. Really, what's it hurt to have it?

Because it's not hurting anything NOT to have it either. - -

It seems to be causing you quite a bit of annoyance, actually.

"Note: turns around when using Cracker Launcher or Ray Gun."

Look, you don't even have to write it now. Just copy and paste.

Short version: I see no reason for the mods to do anything when you could very easily resolve this yourself.

Do I get extra points if I include the quotation marks? ¦D

/Done now

Cool. If he still bothers you about it, feel free to mention it and we'll do something.

Will do. Sorry if it seemed like I was trying to make a big deal out of it. I was just trying to keep out of unnecessary trouble I usually get in by handling things myself.

Thanks for the help, Vyse.

Off topic, but I can't seem to get a hold of you elsewhere.

The characters in you name are causing some weird bugs.

One of which is that no one can send PM's to you. So, you might want to fix that. If you want.

Just click the PM button underneath his avatar. :-\

Seg10, try to send a PM to him and you will see what I mean.

I'll play around with this a bit.

but I heard

Fixed I think.

Cool.

What was going on for that to happen?

The forum collation (I actually have no idea what that means :D) defaults to latin_swedish but his username needed at least utf8_general_ci to work. So... I had to go through and convert all of the tables.

Further more, he shouldn't have been able to create that name in the first place. It should have thrown an error (much like the one you got when PMing him). After the conversions, my ピカノ　name worked and I could send / receive PMs... but his returned 'user could not be found'.

So.. I went into the DB and looked at his profile there --- his name wasn't the actual characters... but rather HTML entities which display the characters. In order to send a PM to him, you had to write something like.... #3434;#5345;#5434;... so, I just replaced his name with what it actually displays and it worked.

Lol. Nice.

Well, thanks Picano. You da man.

No problem. :D

*Gave me an excuse to set up Japanese on here*

People should stop using weird nam-
....Nevermind. XD

You're the one talking ;P

I would love to see other usernames in differant languages. :P

I think i would love to see more users with japanese usernames. :P

Well, obviously, I changed the code so we can.

And if an admin does something silly like remove his/her warning, well, that's a pretty clear-cut case of power abuse.

okay, question for the mods.

when is says "No CSPs in the Vault", does it mean no individual CSPs? if so, then we can upload Packs of CSPs and CSS stuff, right?

Pack a CSP with a hack, that will do. Or a custom made CSS/SSS with CSP's/SSP's and such. (I think)

Touché, my spiky buddy, touché.

Okay, so I believe something is wrong with the "Leave words uncensored" box in our options.
I ticked it to leave words uncensored, but I still see "[censored]" on the bad words.

Did you then click "Change Profile" at the bottom to actually save your change?

If it's just an image, or even a set of images, I'd say don't put it there.

If you want to upload a modified CSS/SSS/whatever with the images already inserted, be my guest.

It's been checked off before.
I clicked "Change Profile" again to be sure.

Well, I just tested toggling it on and off, and it worked fine for me, so... I dunno.

I toggled it off. I typed in a swear, and then previewed it. I got "[censored]"
Turned it back on. Typed the same word. I got the word I typed.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=25844.msg605282#msg605282
Stallion's post, on my end, has "[censored]" in a couple spots.

Happens to me too.
I just tested turning it on and off without results.

Also, seems like more words are censored this time.

Are you sure he's not trolling you and not typing, "[censored]" for the lols?

nah here's how it currently works.  If you have it set to keep the words sensored, your words will also display "[censored]" despite others settings.  Which shouldn't be a problem really.  If you're going to swear, turn the sensor off.

Okay, I think I found the problem.
When they posted, they had the box unchecked.

Something is really weird, apparently i can't report anyone's posts. It's giving me an error everytime..


Any idea what's causing this and if it's just me or more people?

Where did you try to report it ?

We know the Stages and Stages Requests boards have their reporting messed up on most topics. But if the problem occurred somewhere else, we'd like to know about it.

If reports do not work somewhere, simply send a PM reporting the problematic posts to all active admins/mods.
That would be Vyse, Jack H, picano, myself, Oizen, Vish, DragonRage, Segab, ds22 and LookItsLink, I do believe.

I can't seem to find the topic anymore.. It wasn't in the stage section though.
But this is good to know, i'll be sure to watch and if needed PM the reports.

Are there inactive admins/mods? O.o

We try not to have them at least.

Though, I for one rarely respond to PMs.

Question, if a double post is caused by someone deleting their posts, is it still possibly moderable?

Moderable, as in giving a warning for double posting, then no. It's not their fault they double posted. And if it is moderable in the rules, then that's just wrong >_>. You can just do that to give someone a warning if you're mad at them.

Sorry, but that question was for the staff :-\

Normally, no. However, mods and admins can't really tell "on the spot" if a double-post was caused by a deletion. Dozens of posts are deleted daily, so even the Recycle Bin doesn't help alot.

If, by a rather infortunate stroke of bad luck, a mod finds your "double-post" a reason to sanction you, then just report it in the moderation corner, or directly by PM with the one who warned you.
That way we can check into the Bin if indeed something was deleted on that day and remove the sanction with our apologies.

Also, if you find one of your posts to have been "double-postified" by a post deletion, you should merge the two posts. Tha way, you're sure it won't be mistakenly sanctionned.

... Since you didn't even consider the basic concept that it's sometimes not really easy for us to tell if a double post was intentional or not, could you at least let us (the staff) reply before coming up with your own interpretation of how we work (or "should work") ?
Thanks. >_>

Thanks Miacis.

I found some double posts in my thread even though I always edit the previous post instead (or make a new and delete the older), so it was probably someone who deleted his/her old posts. =/

Hello, good afternoon people of the staff, mods, admins and whoever might check this post.
First of all I apologize that it took me some time to do this post, but real life keeps me busy with work and some other things... and to be honest when I have free time I really don't feel like "screencapping evidence".

But anyways, first things first:



Not entirely, but thanks Miacis.
I appreciate that what I've asked for has been noted, considered and something is actually being made about it.
I hope some changes are truly being made, like making the rules more clear. So really, thanks.



And to respond to that:



And with that out of the way, let's start.
I'll divide this post in "sections" each within a spoiler tag so that it's easier to read through.

Also, I "screencaptured" the posts instead of simply quoting them, to make the text somewhat easier to follow, understand a little more the context and because quoting would get rid of quotes within the quotes.
So, if the image re-sizer of the forum makes the image smaller to a point where it's hard to read, click said image so your browser opens the image in a new tab.

PLEASE, read all of it before starting to quote and respond.



:vyse: Kitty Leaks Thread.



:vyse: Kitty Leaks in the Family Thread.



:vyse: Kitty Leaks Lives Again and Locking Threads.



:vyse: Unfairness in Moderating: Goodbye Threads.



:vyse: Unfairness in Moderating: Use of words/expressions.



:vyse: Unfairness in Moderating: Warn Status time lapses.



:vyse: Bypassing the Word Filter.



:vyse: Moderation Tactics.



:vyse: Missed Infractions.



:vyse: Are Moderators above the Rules?







And that's pretty much everything for now.
Thanks for reading and paying attention.