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See what I did there?

*ahem*

Anyway, I present to you....


In a nutshell, this project's goal is to make Samus more like she was in Other M.

Namely, make her much more agile and mobile. And a lot more physical as well.

So what changes will be made? Here's a tentative list of everything that will be modified.


-Samus has all of Zero Suit Samus's attributes, such as her run and jump velocity.
-Goes into Morph Ball Mode when crouching.
-It would be lovely if we could give her the ability to "crawl" so we can make her roll around in Morph Ball Mode, but seeing as how Samus has a pretty low filesize limit, this may not happen.
-Tweaked animations. For example, using Captain Falcon's run animation in place of her own.
-Total PSA and animation overhaul

We're probably changing more than this, but some of the things may have slipped my mind. /:

So how different will her moveset be?


AA Combo: The Same

Side Tilt: Grapple Whip (Samus uses the grapple beam as a whip. Can be angled up or down)
Down Tilt: Morph Ball Bomb
Up Tilt: The Same(?)

Side Smash: Missle (Fully Charged shoots Super Missiles, non-full charged shoots Homing Missiles. Can also be angled)
Down Smash: 5-Bomb Drop
Up Smash: The Same (Hopefully not for long, this really needs to go)

Neutral Air: Samus uses her Grapple Beam as a whip and spins around.
Forward Air: Samus double kick's the air infront of her.
Back Air: The Same
Down Air: The Same
Up Air: The Same

Neutral B: Charge Beam (The difference here being that she fires weak shots that don't make the foe flinch, and can be charged while holding B. Able to move around with charge, if possible)
Side B: Screw Attack (Horizontally, this time. Think MP2/MP3)
Down B: Power Bomb (Works like Ganondorf's UTilt. It auto charges then releases a large dome of energy which will deal roughly 20% or so. Unleashing the energy deals 10% to Samus herself.)
Up B: Shinespark

Down Throw: Overblast. Samus flips the charater onto the ground then fires her beam at them. Damage varies depending on the active beam and the charge that it's at.

Forward Throw: Samus spins around slightly crouched and stretches out he leg and kicks the character in the upper torso. 8%

Back Throw: Lethal Blow. Samus spins around the character pulls and blasts the character from their back. Again, damage varies on the beam and it's current charge state.

Up Throw: Samus lays on her back and double kick's the character straight up. 9%

Final Smash: Uh.....

So who all is working on this project?


-Me
-Royal_Blade
-Aether
-Weyard
-Eira
-Pride
-xZedekiel
-Ultraxwing
-SDoom
-beatthat

Basically, anyone who contributes in a positive way, be it simple consultation, PSA or animation, or testing.

So that's that!

Interested? Intrigued? Annoyed? Disgusted?

We want feedback!

If you have any suggestions, we would appreciate it if you would leave a comment detailing any ideas or issues you have. Just keep it constructive people.

Also, if you have any ideas as to how the moveset can be improved upon, that would be lovely~


So, you don't think we're making progress, eh?

Well, I only have one response to that.

Also:


Red means it hasn't been done yet.
White means it has been completed.

Think you can handle that?

1. Fix the N-air (including GFX glitches)
2. Change the flags of the up smash (and GFX to common screw attack)
3. Get rid if z-air completely. Make her dodge instead.
4. Make samus' gun not expand in taunts/etc.
5. Make Samus not turn into ZSS (done via code)
6. Edit SFX

wow nice layout.

So, whats first? Replacing all the animations in their correct places? Or will you be doing them one by one and finishing them one at a time?

I'll go on and repost my thoughts on the new moves.

Her air-game isn't going to change too much because of the attribute changes, but she will be much better on the ground. People tend to spam the aerial grapple beam right now to space the opponent, but that won't work now. I'll get to that later.
On the ground, you will now have lots of projectiles to use (as she should have been in the first place. -.- sakurai....).

The forward air is going to have a conflicting role in the moveset. You would be best off staying on the ground and using a projectile than jumping and using a long-range move like that grapple beam.

3 air attacks are staying the same, so I have some feedback on them from when I swapped the attributes over earlier.

I find N-air a little harder to use with these attributes. You reach maximum jump height faster than before, so it's harder to get a hit out with it on the way up. However on the way back down it is easier to hit with because of the extra floatyness.
It's boring and I would change it if it were me though :?P

Back-air is easier to hit with now because of the extra floatyness.

Down-air should still be fine. I don't see any reason that it would get worse from the changes.

But the forward-air...

With the Grapple beam on forward air, you aren't going to be able to space correctly with it as you once would have done with the z-button aerial grapple beam. With those attributes Samus falls at a different speed and you can't really short up at all. Plus the landing lag is greater, so you aren't going to be able to recover fast enough to jump and get out another forward air in time to keep the opponent from getting to you first.
To remedy this, I would suggest making the beam whip out faster, or make it slower and do more damage/better knockback.
You might also be able to adjust the knockback and growth such that you could alway(most of the time) follow straight into a n-air after the beam brings the opponent closer to youl.
With all of the amazing projectiles on the ground, you'd have to find some way to make this move work in different situations than the z-grapple beam would have been used in before.

With those attributes (when I changed them), missles seem to fire and travel faster. I'm not sure which attribute caused it though. That might be something you would encourage for the f-tilt and f-smash that are going to use them istead.

As for the B-moves:

Those are great.
I would rather see Power Bomb on Down-B. Not sure how you could balance it though. It would have to have less range than it has in the actual games.
The size of a smart-bomb explosion would probably be the largest I would consider. Anything larger than that and it's going to get a little bit broken.
It would to delay for a second or so before exploding so you could use it strategically.

Or you could use Power Bomb as the Final Smash. You could then make it function as it does in the actual games. Doing a huge amount of damage and ko-ing opponents within a certain range.

Something you forgot, she needs ZSS's dodges (forward/back/spot). The slow ball mode dodges aren't going to cut it.

I would have liked to have seen ZSS's DownB dodging thing transferred to Samus for this moveset, but it isn't really necessary. Just having faster side dodges would be sufficient.

Update on the 'dummy' PSA:
Shield dies down faster, or it looks like it atleast, that's odd...
Definitely has 3 jumps. *Shot*
Air mobility is slightly different.
Shield is smaller.


Maybe the Final Smash should be Power Bomb?

Well, I suppose I should start on the animations, as we don't really have much else to work with. XD

I've already replaced Samus's run and all the other run-transition animations with those of Captain Falcon, and cleaned them up a bit to fit Samus more.

You're still doing PSA, yes?



Personally, I didn't like the Fair idea much. I though it weird that the Grapple Beam would be used for that. /:

I also think  it'll be weird if we use missles for the side smash and tilt.

I like the idea of the Power Bomb as the Down B more than the Beam Switch, as it seems more possible to do. However, it also makes sense to be the Final Smash. Perhaps we can implement the Crystal Flash in some way?

And using ZSS's dodge animations shouldn't be a problem. I may use some of her attack animations as well if we can't think of anything else for Samus's moveset.

The Up Smash definitely needs to go.



Yeah, I did change her shield attributes.

I don't really know why. XD

I should probably change those back.

Would you mind testing this (http://www.mediafire.com/?628s8nhn1x87314) out?

Just... run around for a bit.

See how Captain Falcon's up-smash looks on Samus. It might work there. It's just a series of rapid kicks.

I kinda like the idea of having projectiles on A-moves. It's different. I would make her play so much differently. I was hoping that Megaman will have something like this if he gets in SSB4. Although it isn't likely now that Capcom has almost officially killed the Megaman Series.

Righto, testing, be back in a bit~

It's definitely unique, but I think it would be a bit difficult to actually play with. /:

Though I do like the idea about being able to aim the Missiles up or down.

So long as one can fire Missiles somewhat rapidly, I'm good.


Thanks much. :]

Run animation seems the same, did you upload the right one? Did something else screw up?

Whaaaa...?

Hm.... that's strange...

Re-uploaded. (http://www.mediafire.com/?59yd9maxgc9dohr)

To be sure... you did remember to remove the " - mom" from the end of the name, yes?

Still no.
And of course I did.

Very strange.

Sure, i can do pretty much everything except for the specials. Most of it should just be event swapping from one move to the other, but for some of them the actual hitboxes and such will have to be remade from scratch. Just let me know when some animations are done enough and take care of them in PSA. Although i have no idea how the hitboxes on her missiles would work.

o_o

.......

This is kinda frustrating.... I've never faced this problem, so I don't know what to do. /:

Do you have any other edited MotionEtcs for Samus? And if so, do they work?


Ah, ok. Thanks. :]

Would you happen to know why my animations aren't showing up in-game?

No motion files from me. i'll make a quick one now and i'll see if it works or not.

Alright then. I may just have a corrupt MotionEtc or something. /:

Nope doesn't work :<
Can I start crying now? D:

...Then again, might just be my game...

I would test it, but my Wii is all the way downstairs. D:

And quite frankly, it's getting really late. >.<

I'll test it on my Wii tomorrow after work and post my results.

Unless someone else wants to test it in my absence, in which case I would be thankful.

The only time iv experienced that is when the name is wrong. Are you sure the name is FitSamusMotionEtc.pac instead of FitSamusMotionEtc.pac.pac?

Sometimes it will shorten the name and remove the format ending and leave you with just the name itself FitSamusMotionEtc (with the file type listed when you hover over it as .pac). In this case, it could say FitSamusMotionEtc.pac (with the file type still listed as .pac, meaning its actually FitSamusMotionEtc.pac.pac)
Just rename the file and erase where it says .pac. Hover over it again and see if it still says its a .pac format. If it does, then that was the problem.

EDIT (wow that sounds really confusing after reading back over it. What i mean is, Windows tends to remove the format ending (.pac, .bmp, .jpeg, and so on) from the name. Look at your file, if it is currently named FitSamusMotionEtc.pac, just right click and rename the file FitSamusMotionEtc Then hover your mouse over it. If it says the file type is .pac, that means your original filename was FitMotionEtc.pac.pac and it should work now)

If thats not it, then i have no idea : /

Ill test it in the morning too.

In a way, this could also be considered Super Metroid Samus. XD
Anyways, good luck to all of ya :D

Yeah,  Samus was pretty fast in Super Metroid if you dashed the entire time. And in Zero Mission in general. I just prefer that movement speed over the bulky robot speed in the Prime series.

Of course I checked the name was right. still won't work. Really odd that the motion won't work but the PSA will :/

Actually, i wish i could help.

maybe after this, we can make a Dark Samus over another character.

maybe someone usless... meh, i'll think of a character later. Leonardo is bein a pain.

And if she had a taunt where she held her cannon up and if the button kept pressed she could recover damage. This would only be usable with damage at 100% or higher.

This would make an awesome Samus hack.

isn't there any useless coding in Samus that would allow for more File Size?

Are you using Riivo?

Well when i had a disc and loved Sound hacks.

Riivolution does not work with.

Bowser/Zelda/Sheik/Wario/Samus/ZSS

it's the transforming characters that don't work.

Negative.

Oh suggestion (been a while since i had a gameboy)

what about that super sexy i kill all run samus had? i mean, that would be awesome to try and implement wouldn't it?

Wow, that looks nice.

Moveset Related:

I was thinking of just having Side Smash for both Missles. Fully Charged = Super. Else = Homing. Kinda like Eldrain's Zero.
Then I wouldn't know what we'd do with the Side tilt...

Down Special should be Power Bomb. And have it work like Gdorf's UTilt. It auto charges then release. So it would charge, release a good sized energy explosion that does electric stun damage at 18%. BUT, everytime she releases the energy, she takes about 10% damage, like Eruption and Flare Blade. If used in the air, it slows your fall and puts you in a helpless state afterwards.

For the F-Air Grapple Beam, I put that there so it doesn't get unused. If you use my idea of putting FSmash as both Missles, then FTilt can be Grapple Beam and we'll find a new F-air.

For the Up Smash, can we not make a Samus version of ZSS' USmash? But less multi-hit.

The Final Smash should stay as Zero Laser because it's an awesome final smash. But have it not turn into ZSS afterwards.

Edit: That's Speed Booster Nyan Man.

Thank you for the Reminder..

still a big Metroid Fan.. (i can tell you her whole story from the beggining without fail but certain attacks escape me)

Nice to see a Samus PSA, I was getting tired of dark samus. Good luck

This might have been asked, but for her neutral special, is the player going to just be able to mash the B button and fire rapid shots (kinda like fox's laser)? Because that's how I always thought Samus's Neutral B should be.


If it's okay, I'd also like to try my hand at a few animations.

I SO want this happening, Other M was so damn nice. If you still want people, i'm up for the testing! (Both Dolphin and Wii-wise)

Using Dolphin is what screwed the Animations up I'm thinking, so it'd be best to just go for the Wii.
...
Damnit :<

Exactly why i'm pointing out i can test it on both xD
It would point out if Dolphin is the cause for screwing stuff up or not. :)

I'd go for the Wii, buuuuut.... My Wii's kinda... Broken..
...Well, at least I can test PSA stuff. Just not animations.
I feel very useless now. D:

I'm happy i'm using the USB Loader, so i don't have to use my disc reader XD
(Last 1 broke ;_; )

Your help was very useful to us Eira. We thank you for that.

Thanks. We would like all the help we can get.

How does USB Loader work? I wanna try it out.

Edit:
We plan on having the ability to shoot rapid uncharged shots with low hit stun. Also being able to charge it for more damage.

And sure you can help with animating, the more people, the faster work gets done!

You just need a few things:
- An External HDD or USB Stick
- WBFS Manager to put your ISO files onto an External HDD or USB Stick.
- A Wii (NOWAI! YESWAI!)
- Put the disc into the right USB slot on your wii (only 1 is supported by the USB Loader GX)
- USB Loader GX
- Homebrew Channel

It's easily installed. Here it is i think, should be in either 1:
*PM'd*

Thanks, I'll be sure to try it whenever I have the chance.

So for animations, we should start on:
Crouch
CrouchRv
CrouchWait
CrouchItemWait... (< Snap, how with that work? Should we have an alternate crouch while holding items and one without?)
Special(Air)N (Movements/Shooting)
Grab(s) (Using her actual arm)
Pummel (Like Link's, Samus whacks them with her arm cannon.)
Throws (< I would like to work on these, I have the idea of how they'd look.)

Ill try to make the Grab and Pummel animations later today.

I finished the Space Pirate today. So I can start the Other M vertex later this week.

Whew.

After a crappy day of work, I'm glad to come back to see some support. :]

A few things to say:


I'll get started on those tonight. I have no work tomorrow, so I should have plenty of time to do stuff.

The thing about her crouch animations is that they will require some PSA work as well. Her Morph Ball is rendered invisible via PSA somehow, so we'd have to disable that somehow.

I wouldn't know how to do that... /:

I may do the throw animations, but I wouldn't know how to make them work properly. I've never animated throws before, so we'll see how that works out.


I saw.

And it was amazing. =P

Glad to hear you'll be working on that next, it should bring some more realism to this.

So.....

Has anyone gotten the MotionEtc file to work?

I could go test it right now, I suppose, if no one else can.

I would like to test, Samus MotionEtc has worked for me so far on Riivo and Gecko.

Please do so. It would be much appreciated.

I don't really want to work on animations until I know that they'll actually work in-game. XD

Alright, just send them over. Crappy filler episode of Bleach.. -.-

All right.

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?59yd9maxgc9dohr) is the MotionEtc file.

Also, here (http://www.mediafire.com/?8v3w7dev26utbq7) is an updated version of the dummy version of the PSA with ZSS's attributes.

And something just came to me... try testing the MoitionEtc with and without the PSA.

Perhaps that may be the problem.

Yeah, that happened with Masal's Motion for Darkrai, it turned out his whole file was corrupted

I think I might just have to download a fresh MotionEtc and go from there. /:

Did you test it out already?

Give me  a sec, I'll get back to you in a while.

Works like a charm. With PSA and all.

Yeah? So the animations show and everything?

Phew! That's good to hear.

That means Eira is just crazy. ;] I kid, I kid.

Welp, guess I'll start on animations now.

Thanks for the help.

But i'm not crazy i'm just a little unwell.
...
Er. It's good to see it actually works.

I hope you saw the hidden text there. /:

Anyway

Would anyone happen to know what it would take to imitate how Samus becomes invisible while the Morph Ball becomes visible during her dodge animations?

If someone could fill me in on how to do that, it would be lovely~

Meh, not a problem.

...And I've no idea on that. Still new with this stuff.

go ask in about it in the PSA Help Thread
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12826.0
Its probably just a simple event that does it. I just hope its not something in the subroutines that triggers it, those are horribly complicated.

I was gone for most of the night so i didnt get time to work on the grab and pummel animations. Ill get to them as soon as possible.

Done.

Now let's hope someone responds. :srs:

In the meantime, I'll try porting ZSS's dodge animations to see how they look. I'll look around to see if I can steal any other animations of hers before I go about making some from scratch.

I think it's a model changer for the Morph Ball. I'll go check that.

Gamma: And I guess you didn't read the part that I would like to make the throws. Since I know what they're going to look like. And I thought before-hand who's throwing attributes I  would use for Samus' Throws.

And
I'm pretty sure no one saw this... These are some change ideas.

Edit:
Ah ha! It is a model changer. It's hidden within the sub-routines.
Look in offset "0000F638". It's there.

Edit2:
Also in offset "0000F610" there's a model changer.
And:

"0000F610" - Turns Samus into Morphball

"0000F638" - Morphball turns into Samus

Also, it looks like that it needs go to other offsets before-hand. Here's the coding for her rolls:

"0000F688" Goes to another subroutine with "0000F5F0" and "0000F610" and Asyncronous Timer = whatever frames before turning into morphball. (Definitely to turn into Morphball)
Reverse Direction. (For Forward Roll, not used in back roll.)
"0000F6F0" Goes to another subroutine with "0000F5F0" and "0000F638" and Asyncronous Timer = whatever frames before turning into samus. (Definitely to turn back into Samus)

This is not 100% but I feel that its pretty spot on...

Just so you all know, Aether is one room away from me irl. He's playing Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. He has been playing it for about 3 hours. No signs of quitting yet. Yup he's working hard on those animations for you guys. *sarcasm*

What's the sarcasm, that he's one room away or that he's working hard?

!NOTICE!
Look at my previous post (Reply #56). It has information on the morphball coding.

The part about him working hard was the sarcastic part. He's been in there playing a game after he just told you all that he was going to be working on the animations lol.

He stopped now so maybe he'll actually get to work.

Ah, ok.

Edit: Btw, theres an "_" between Royal and Blade.

xD sorry about that. Im trying for a 100% item and scan run on MP2Ech0s and its too hot in the house during the day to sit with a laptop on my lap.  Good enough excuse? : p
Going to do it now.

You should have came back, apologized, and said "I was doing field research".

Dude, we can use Other M models now? :o
http://www.models-resource.com/wii_gamecube/metroidotherm/index.html

Too much of a hasle to use imported a model. I find.

True, but it would probably look cool nonetheless :)

imports are pointless. It would take months to import her Other M model and correct glitches. It would only take a few minutes of simple vertexing to make it by hand.
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Grab animation
http://www.mediafire.com/?6jlv2f12y546yij

Still working on the pummel.

I can use that model as a base and steal it's texture... use its texture as a reference... >D steal it's texture.

Aether, don't forget about the other grabs. Like CatchDash and CatchTurn. I also need CatchWait before starting my throws to make them transition nicely.

Actually that's why i posted it, to use as a base for a model xD

Go ahead and do the animations then. I'd rather not do them myself anyway. XD

And thatnks for digging that up for us. Though I wouldn't know how to implement it in PSA, so someone will have to do that.



Nope. XD

MP2 was actually the first Metroid game I've ever gotten 100%

.... just throwing that out there.



As great as they would look, Royal_Blade is right. Importing is a pain in the ass.

Though hopefully Weyard will find them useful when making the vertex.

Thanks for those. :]

To everyone: I was fooling around with ZSS's animations at 3 o'clock in the morning last night and ported over her dodge animations and fixed 'em up. They look pretty good, actually.

Some of ZSS's other animations look great as well, such as her Wait animations. I might make the one where ZSS is pressing buttons on her gun replace her side taunt or something.

Dude, read my last comment here xD

... I'm just gonna go sit in a dark corner and make some animations now before I make more of an ass out of myself.

Hahaha that Ridley palm again, i still love it XD
And don't do that.. well sitting in the corner i mean.. the animations is fine xD

I think sitting in the corner sounds like a good idea right now.

Because my screen recorder is being ghey. >_>

It keeps flashing black, and the only solution is to make the background black.

But if I were to do that, you wouldn't be able to see Samus, since her textures are dark in BrawlBox.

*sigh*

I was gonna record the animations to show you guys, but I guess I can't.

So i'll be making the squat animations or the PSA for squatting into the morphball?

Gamma, work on Shinespark. Because it's a request and a moveset special. To kill two birds with one stone.

But have it like Wolf's. Samus holds her position for a few seconds then spins, in this case upwards, then stops. And im trying to think if you should animate it moving upwards or not...

Just uncheck the textures that make Samus Dark.

I would record if I could ): I have a camera, I can try and see how it looks recording in game...

@xZedkiel: That help once we get to in-game stuff. But were starting animations atm.

You can go ahead and do the PSA stuff, I'll make the animation.

Also, good idea about the Shinespark, I was thinking about how to do it this morning. I'll animate her moving using her TransN bone, then just check "Moves Character" in PSA.

And I tried unchecking textures. Didn't help. /:


I can record stuff in-game. I have a capture card. XD

I mean using Hypercam.

Actually if it's your screen being annoying you CAN record and the vid will show the footage BUT you can't see what you're doing xD

Well..... ok, let me record it, put it on YouTube, and show you.

You can see the animation, but there's just a really annoying flicker.

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Fixed the texture problem.

I'm a big ol' derp.

There we go xD

>_>

<_<


Just a few of them.

If you'll notice, the endings of some of the animations are a bit rough. I need to go through and delete a few key frames to make the transition to Samus's wait animation smoother.

I'm liking this big time, more love for Other M! 8D

The dodges look nice. I like the forward one, It reminds me of the Sense Move feature in Other M.

Edit: Also, I've started on the crouches. I've finished "Squat" and "SquatWait". I'm making the "SquatRv" atm. It's giving me a bit of trouble trying to reverse the squat. The get-out animation for the morphball (Using SpecialLw as a base) is longer than the start-up. So i'm trying to reverse it.

XD

You're really excited, aren't you?


They're both ZSS's, oddly enough.

Which reminds me, someone mentioned the idea of having a Concentration feature included in the PSA.

I really like that idea. o_o

Anyway, Morph Ball animation tiem.

Oh... *Look above*

Oh pfft.

Do you mind if I give them a go, anyway? I might be able to get it done. I'll base it off of how she gets out of the Morph Ball in Other M, it'll probably be easier since she basically just stands up.

About multiple things yes, but i'm also hyper as hell XD

it's not hard. I just have to reverse the frames. that's all. If you want to do them, go ahead, but i'm almost done them.

Edit: Finished "SquatRv". do you want me to send them to you Gamma?

Edit2: http://www.mediafire.com/?em71p32c1g8zeul (http://www.mediafire.com/?em71p32c1g8zeul)
There they are.

Deep breaths, man.

Deep breaths. XD


I'll give it a shot.

But what I'll do instead is just take to Morph Ball transition from her Down B and use it for the SquatRv.

I dunno which one will turn out better. /:

I'll post what it looks like.

Currently i'm crying due to laughter, click the link in my sig to know why XD

*sigh*
Gamma, look at the last post on page 6...

Those animations look so weird when Samus has that bulky power suit on...

Which animations? The dodging and such? It's like she did in Other M.

Wow. XD

That one Asuka put up is pretty funny.


This is what I came up with.



I think just about every post you've made has avoided my sight. D:

I'll take a look at them.



... in a good way?

I just modified the FitSamus.pac that Gamma uploaded with ZSS' attributes for the dodges. They're now programmed properly. I'm gonna try getting Samus to turn into a morphball during her crouch.

That would be lovely~

I also incorporated the Squat animations you made into the MotionEtc.

So that's that.

I'm gonna see what else I can take from ZSS.

All of those animations look perfect so far. Keep it up Gamma :D

I am NOT into you D: I know you're a dude, I just like the avy is all.

wow missed 2 pages there.
ok, ill make the catchrelease and catch wait too. Going to catch up on what i missed brb.

Thank you very much. :]

Now get to vertexing darnit. D:< Teehee.


Much appreciated~


lolwut

All the animations are awesome, keep it up. Weyard needs to hurry up with the vertex so we'll have something more fitting to look at.

Not to be mean, but it DOES sound like it.

Anyways, let's NOT get into Zedkiel personal life/feelings.

XD no I'm not seriously, I have a gf.. You can ask Psycho Phillia lol. I just am a Sephiroth fan, and when you make a female version of a character a person already likes, well you know what happens next XD. So if Pride feels I'm stalking him awkwardly, I can stop. But I still would love to see a playable Sephira (name which Pride stole from me >.>).

Minecraft beckons tonight. I'll start on it tomorrow night some time.

:>.>:

Curses.


What do you think?

Needs major fixing, of course.

wierd...

well, http://www.mediafire.com/?u019zrjcbu66px4 (http://www.mediafire.com/?u019zrjcbu66px4)
Here's the FitZeroSuit.pac with changes for Morphball crouch.
Can someone test this? With Gamma's fitmotion with morphball crouches of course.

Btw Gamma, did you also change the SquatWaitItem to make it the same as SquatWait? If not, please do.

And whoever tests this out, also test out dodges as well as crouching with beam sword on a platform (just incase it still shows up.)

I say just go with the normal SquatWait for the SquatWaitItem. For now.

Also

http://www.mediafire.com/?sgf7syx24bob0ai

MotionEtc

Get it while it's hot! XD

But I won't do anymore PSA stuff until that is tested. (Also becuase I don't know that much.) I want to get the crouch to work nicely then i'll continue.

Have you gotten it working yet?

Gotten what working?

Yeah. XD

Do you know how to use the event?

What are you talking about?

I'm waiting for someone to test the fit.pac to see if there are problems.

Oh.

Mmk then.

Someone test it. :srs:

i am... me and my friend are... sexy

me and weyard are going to test them too

I'll test it in a moment.


Beat me to it.

Ok Then.

Just don't crouch with an item, it'll look weird.

She crouches but does not have ball.. just looks friggin weird.

the dodges are amazing. her Screw Attack has no recovery anymore.. that needs to be fixed. or it magically goes lower.

That's because she can't crawl. XD

Does it look good at least?

Does it show the morphball?

well she doesn't go into morph ball... (i forgot you can't get her to crawl)

why not make a code that allows her to crawl? (if you can remove it, you can add it)



EDIT:

HAIL ME FOR I AM SATAN NYAN CAT!! I HAVE 666 POSTS!!!!


Make some Crawling Animations and test this code out

Samus can Crawl (Ultraxwing)
04B0B304 00000001

ok

- Run animations are awesome. Little bit of startup lag, but its good and fast once she gets going. Probably the coolest run animation in the game. Period.

- Dodge animations are good.
 
- 3 Jumps and two are with screw attack animation? Looks good though
 
- Squat animation makes her curl up into  fetal position? xD Ball isnt appearing at all....

- Beep Boop taunt is hilarious, but so messed up right now lol

To whoever mentioned her Up B not taking you high anymore, thats because of the attribute changes. When you give ZSS's PSA attributes to Samus it makes her slightly faster but has lower recovery for some reason. It wont really matter since her Up B will be different in the end anyway.

Oh... make if you can make the room. make it where she can taunt the change one of the two.

i don't want to drastically change her moveset.

or not. whatever.

"Beep Boop taunt." XD

I dunno why I called it that.

Anyway

It does need some fixing, but I'll get to it later.

Yeah, just make her rolling into a ball. and make that only appear in PSA.

that code should allow her to do the roll...

Like Aether said, she goes into a fetal position and no ball appears.

The run animation is kinda glitchy, in that it starts up kinda slow but then starts running at faster than normal speed. It's awesome and looks intentional. Don't touch the running attributes again, it's perfect like this.

The Beep Boop taunt is keeping the part of the animation where the gun opens up and spins around. Must be tied to an event in psa, look into that.

Hmm... I'll see what happened in the Fit.pac ...

Edit: http://www.mediafire.com/?25drxjr1vqrv79r (http://www.mediafire.com/?25drxjr1vqrv79r)
Try this. I realized I forgot some things.

Oh shoot, I forgot about that. /:

Thanks for looking into that. :]

I'll post this again...
http://www.mediafire.com/?25drxjr1vqrv79r (http://www.mediafire.com/?25drxjr1vqrv79r)
Try this. I realized I forgot some things.

Also check the crouch with items. Please.

i are am is testing...

wait for me to edit this post.

Few more animations done. I was able to use almost all of Ike's grab animations with some work.

Catch
http://www.mediafire.com/?6jlv2f12y546yij
I posted this earlier, but im not sure if you saw it or not.

CatchCut
http://www.mediafire.com/?n2qd1k87ekjrr57

CatchDash
http://www.mediafire.com/?c0h7la97ir760e6

CatchTurn
http://www.mediafire.com/?29z2vccdilehhf7

I dont have a mediafire account, so they are uploaded through their temporary thing. Im not sure if they are permanent or not though. If you have any problems ill get Weyard to upload them with his account.

Added to the MotionEtc.

I still need to make the CatchWait and CatchAttack, both of which are getting on my nerves. Seems like every time i go forwards or backwards to edit a frame, all the other ones crumple up and twist.

Perhaps you should refrain from going back and editing. That happened to me too when I was editing the SquatRv animation.

I dunno what to do about that. /:

Also

http://www.mediafire.com/?4za55pgt5z096g3

MotionEtc with Catch stuff.

@Royal_Blade

Ball appears during Crouch, but not the CrouchWait. So when you duck, the ball just appears for a split second. CrouchItem is the same from what i can tell.

@Gamma

Ill test it, brb.

EDIT

All the grabs look good, but they need better ending transitions. I cant tell whether she is grabbing with the right hand or not though. The grapplebeam gfx needs to be removed, as does the sparkly gfx.

She turns into a ball for like a split second.

but then just goes into feadle position like a newb.

More like Fecal position amirite? Because it looks crappy.

Seriously though, it's going pretty good. Fix the things Aether said so we can continue testing.

Yay bad puns. :af:

I wouldnt know how to get rid of the Grapple Beam. /:

it would be an article that showed up properlly.

somewhere in the PSA. if anything you can make it invisible.

Or just make it not appear at all.

I'm a little preoccupied at the moment, so I can't take care of it.

well, it's a wee bit of patience ya know.

we'll wait before we continue beta testing.

i wont be able to test anything else tonight anyway, so take your time with it.

Yeah, i gotta go to sleep. so take your time.

Hahaha xD

XD

Hahaha i'm fine with it, i find it laughable to an extreme extend XD


@The progress: Is this all tested on Wii or Dolphin? Cause i've been curious if everything works on both since we have had PSA's that work on the Wii but no on Dolphin..

Meh, i'll give the most recent version a try on Dolphin. Wish me luck.
...
Or not, you know, your choice really.

Well i play on both anyway so it doesn't matter to me, just thinking about the Dolphin users.

I could test it later today.

Still nothing from me.
Well this is depressing.

What do you mean?

Same as last time. Motion doesn't work~

On your Wii or Dolphin? D:

BTW: I think the OP could use a play-testers list, to show who actually helps testing it over and over.

I can test right now.

Dolphin, can't test on Wii, it's broken.

I can test on Wii anytime at all. I don't sleep XD

I'm a Play tester.

though i don't own my own computer, so it's a little difficult...

but i'll try.

Completely free today so just say the word. Tomorrow, I might also be free unless my pair of Shinai arrive.

Oh, two pages. Well...

Nice Catches Aether I can't wait until you finish the others.

About the morphball: Well, at least I got her morphball to show up. I'm gonna check again because I think i either forgot some code or put some in the wrong place.

And I'll check the GFX for the catches while i'm at it to remove the grapple beam.

Edit: http://www.mediafire.com/?4n4tj5l26o31dp1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?4n4tj5l26o31dp1)
Testing... Testing... Testing 1, 2, 3... Testing... XD

I believe that should be it for the crouch. Also, test out the grabs (throws are unchanged) and tell me if the grapplebeam isn't there. Also, can someone tell me if holding items while crouching does anything.

WILL test ASAP.

chaning stuff in my brasar. so i'll be a while.

It doesn't matter how long takes, as long as it gets done!

First of all, I think this is a great idea. And that if anyone were to pull it off it would be you.
The Super Mega Ultra Metroid fan o.o (Actually that would be a cool game title, lol)

Secondly I thought I'd share this

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2rpbvdc.png)

That can't be a good sign  :srs:

defenitely

almost done, then i can test out the items, the grapple beam, and the crouch.


*EDIT

WE broke the CHAIN OF EVIL!!

Testing now lol

Thanks for testing XZedkiel.

i would test it, but i felt the urge to edit my Anouncer calls with a sexy chick, and Melee Noises.

Froze for me O:

Sounds good to me, how about changing both to a sexy chick
"Announcer calls with a sexy chick, and sexy chick noises"
;)

What exactly is xZed testing exactly? o:

The Samus Hack.

were both testers (or the volunteers with no credit =P)

were trying to make her crouch her morph ball.

and make her brabs more like Project M's. and many other things

oh might i suggest the Down-Tilt be her dropping a bomb? seeing how it'll look weird if she were to unmorph super fast and then hit the ground with an explosion

Again, it froze for me (I hate being the last post.. T.T)

Lol I figured it was the hack.
And I see, that's a nice idea.
"it'll look weird if she were to unmorph super fast and then hit the ground with an explosion"

I also agree with this.
 

Unless you're a ninja like me and don't even let her crouch >.>

i can do that too.

but i like to wait at the edge and then bomb them.  but with this new hack, this samus will demand a whole new play style which me and my friend are enjoying

he's bored ATM cause he doesn't like looking at someone replacing sound packets.

Ultra, when you can, see if it freezes for you too.

Haven't been called that in a while..

i might change my name back to that. this Nyan cat this is gettin old anyway.


oh and i will ASAP i have only 50 more sounds to replace (not long with the new sawndz)

Yes sir Mr. Double G Dog Ultraxwing in the hizzle for rizzle does not compute Sir!

It froze for me as soon as I selected a stage, at first it gave me the BEEEEEP of death, then after on my second attempt I got a silent freeze.

Hmm...

Try this:
http://www.mediafire.com/?g7t64gp829chntc (http://www.mediafire.com/?g7t64gp829chntc)
I put the grapple beam back to normal.

Edit: Nyan man... You're Ultraxwing? The same one on Smashboards that I could be thinking?

Also, I've stated these before but no one said anything.

F-Tilt: A swipe with the Grapple beam. (Like ZSS' SSmash, but shorter range) (can be angled)

F-air: Not the straight grapple shot.

Side Smash: Missles. Fully charged is Super Missles, other charges are Homing. (Like Eldrain's Zero PSA)

I actually made a mistake and replaced the motion file with it >.> Lemme try again, my apologies.

... Ok.

The very same one.... INDEEED

Tested, she's grapple-less and instantly switches to holding with her arm cannon o.o When she crouches she instantly switches into a bent over fetal position that looks like she's asking for it. SFX for the grapple should be removed through PSA, anything else in there?

hm... I'm gonna have to try something then... Muahahahaha!

Edit:
Try this out:
http://www.mediafire.com/?2i6okp8psl6y7c6 (http://www.mediafire.com/?2i6okp8psl6y7c6)
I included the motionetc which i gave it the same morphball crouch.

Test it with items. Do they go invisible when she's in morphball? Test it on platforms to see if they go through.

And I haven't done any SFX changes yet. I'll get to that later. But I will add some sounds for turning in and out of crouch later.

Also, check post #174 for other moveset ideas.

Alright, one sec.

Somehow this reminded me of Glover on the old N64, with that evil wizard laughing every time you boot your save file. XD

Alright, tested her and she stays in Morph Ball mode when crouched. Taunt could use some work though as said lol.

Samus goes into morphball now when crouched (all that's needed is crawling animations and that code i made)

when she has an item, it does not go into morphball she just goes back to feadal position and hold it that way.

Lol I wasn't playing with items so I wouldn't know, If you can, Item Crouch should not be Morphball XD

Morphball crouch works? Alright!

SquatItem: I was thinking that. Then we'd need to make more animations and code if she has an item. Which atm, I have no idea.

Side Note: Btw, If we have items with Samus. She'll have no Side Tilt (Grapple Beam), Side Smash (Missles), or Morphball crouch. Wow... That's going to be interesting...

Why no items? Is it a part of the plan, or is it just not gonna work?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

I would just keep her in ball mode during the item crouch too. It would be like you are holding the item via Spider Ball. It should be fine. Just focus on getting all crouch animations to ball mode right now.

I'm awake now so I can run and test anything you do for now.

I realized that I didn't put in some code for the SquatWaitItem. So I'll do that now.

And what's Aether up to?

Edit: Oops.

Can someone test this?
http://www.mediafire.com/?cz5jxc5bh3lqhxg (http://www.mediafire.com/?cz5jxc5bh3lqhxg)

You'll need the motionetc that has the morphball as item crouch.

Testing it right now.

Testing too.

Ultraxwing, i think we shouldn't work on crawling right now... We're going to finish the important stuff first like moves. Then if we have time (and room) we'll make the crawl.

Well, she shrinks the item down with her.

For me, she is staying in Ball mode during Crouch Wait. So that's good.

But in item crouch, she and floats at the height the item would normally be held and the item isn't visible. She is keeping ball mode on though.

Grabs are also broke now. You can't throw at all. It just makes you stand there in the hold animation until the opponent gets free.

That's very good to hear. So it worked.

I'm gonna try to PSA an idea for her Neutral Air. Samus is going to horizontally spin once while whipping her grapple beam.

And I'll program her original N-Air to F-Air as a temporary.

@Weyard: did you get the most recent motionetc that I posted? I changed the animation for ItemWait on the crouch.
Huh... well, once Aether gets the CatchWait/CatchAttack, then I'll fix the grabs then work on throws.

Once other M Samus is done as a vertex, can I make recolors/CSP/BP/CSS icons?

Sure Zedkiel.

Sure. I'll be starting the vertex sometime tonight.

-

I had downloaded the last one you posted.

Awesome :D I don't like plain looking recolors, so you mind if I get creative with the pallets of colors?

im here, but im going to be gone for a few hours today. Ill have my laptop and brawlbox, but i wont be able to test anything in-game. Ill try to finish the CatchWait while im gone. Glad to see the crouch working perfectly.

And yeah, we arent worried about the crawl until everything else is finished. Once the entire thing is done, if theres enough room, its easy to implement a crawl. I dont think it even requires a code like the one you posted earlier.

@ xZedkiel
I was thinking the recolors should be

1 - Normal Powersuit (yellow)
2 - Varia Suit (orange)
3 - Gravity Suit (orange with purple/pink ref/siro)
4 - Ridley colors (purple with some yellow)
5 - Galactic Federation Armor (gray, white and blue)

You could always just make 10 or so recolors in a package and let people decide which ones they want to use.

I would probably make a few random ones myself.

I was thinking more on the lines of colors fitting the team colors, and that doesn't seem really creative lol aside from the Ridley one. No offense of course..


I shall do this then XD

Hm... can someone else test out the crouchitem wait? Zedkiel maybe?

I want to know if this is happening to more than one person.

I'm here :3

You don't need permission to test this...

I know I don't, but you called me so I said "I'm here"... It's only proper. o:

FYI, I just changed my name and picture...

I was suggesting that you can test to see if the problem exists.

Alright, link please?

last page, reply #189.

Didn't I already test that?

i wanted you to test the crouch with items. weyard experienced a problem and I wan't to know if it's him or the file.

All items work for me with the crouch..

How is the animation doing though?

For me, she went into ball mode but was hovering above the ground and the item wasn't visible. After going out of crouch, the item reappeared and could be used.

I thought that was the goal.

Nope that wasn't how it was meant to be. I think she was supposed to sit on the ground in ballmode with the item attached to the side of the ball.

So she is floating for you too?

The item isn't supposed to show Weyard. She's IN the morphball and everything she's holding.

Easy fix.  Just use the Item Visibility event and set it to False.

I have that. Weyard thought it wasn't supposed to be there.

Edit:
Btw SDoom, could you help with any PSA stuff if were stuck at some point? It would help if someone of your knowledge with PSA could be of assistance.

The item doesn't show Silent ^_^ I think the goal was accomplished.
Ninja'd x.x


She doesn't float for me, you must be on Riivo o.o

Weyard and Zedkiel, could you guys show me the item crouch? Like take pictures and stuff.

Well, it's just her morphball.. That's literally it. Just a morphball perfectly placed on the ground, no item showing whatsoever.

Okay then... I'll just continue?

Yeah, you should. But I can still get a pic if you want :3

So I guess there was some misunderstanding. I thought the item was supposed to remain visible.
The only problem now is that she is hovering above the ground.

Here's some pictures in order showing the problem:

Standing with item:

(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2757/al11072516361binout.jpg)

After pressing down, crouching animation starts:

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2325/al11072516362binout.jpg)

The next frame has her in the fetal position with item still visible.

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5291/al1107251638binout.jpg)

The next frame has her in ball mode on the ground as it should be. (item is invisble)

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6095/al1107251635binout.jpg)

Right after that frame, she launchs upwards until she is in the position seen in the screenshot below.

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3729/al11072516363binout.jpg)

As you can see, she is hovering in ball mode, above the ground.
If you keep DOWN held, she floats in place here. If you release Down, she immediately flies back into standing position.

Aw sweet...I knew it was a matter of time...

Are you going to use Shinespark as a side smash and up smash? I think that would be more fitting than her current moves. The side smash would be more of an extra dash attack. The distance you go could be changed depending on how long you charge the attack. One of the reasons I say this is because in game, you could charge the shine spark, and choose to go straight up or in whatever direction you're choosing. (left right forward and back.)

As for the power bomb, that might make a more interesting (and easier to do) final smash.

I like everything else how it is though.

Also, is this going to include a vertex of MOM samus's power suit?

Ya. Starting it right now actually.

Cool.

I have an idea that since she won't do it for her final smash, she could ditch her suit and change to ZSS with a taunt? Of course she would change to MOM ZSsamus with a different moveset if possible. She could change back using a different taunt of course.

Nice :D Can't wait to see it :D

Huh... That's strange...

But if it's not happening to other people, how can I fix it?

@NaruZelda:
This is an Other M Samus. and Shinepark ONLY goes up. The specials are set. The Final Smash won't change so people can use it without turning into Zero Suit.

And, we don't plan on having her change into ZSS ANYTIME in the PSA.

Edit: Samus won't have any alternate modes or transformations! < Nothing Else.

I don't know what's causing it either. I'm using the last fitmotion that Gamma gave us with it.

Don't worry about it I guess. Lets move on.

If the problem arises for any other testers then you can look into it further.

-

It got that Other M suit model from earlier to open. I've lined it up with Samus's dae in 3dsmax and I'm working on the vertex. It's flat, so I can only use it as a reference for front/back work. All the top/bottom side stuff is going to be based off of screenshots.

Huh? I uploaded a motionetc after gamma did.


Ok.

Edit:
This is the link that had my fitmotion in it: http://www.mediafire.com/?2i6okp8psl6y7c6 (http://www.mediafire.com/?2i6okp8psl6y7c6)
And this fit.pac (If you mixed up something): http://www.mediafire.com/?cz5jxc5bh3lqhxg (http://www.mediafire.com/?cz5jxc5bh3lqhxg)

Edit2: About the motion file. Gamma's had brawl's itemcrouch. which could have messed up the placement of the morphball during the crouch with items. Plus, I noticed that the rotation on the morphball was different than the regular crouch. Which means something animation wise is different. Because the morphball is placed differently on the model it doesn't appear straight up on the ground.

yeah, thats probably what was causing it. Ill get him to test it in a few minutes.

Ok, glad to fix that glitch.

How are the catches coming along?

Edit: Moar testing!
http://www.mediafire.com/?b2r08da4asud71u (http://www.mediafire.com/?b2r08da4asud71u)
Can people test out the Fair and Nair. Tell me any detail that is important. (No hiding anything!)
And you MUST use both files.

Anything recent for me to test? Btw I really love Samus so far. The attributes are perfect for my aerial style. Fully charge, down smash backwards, jump forward, forward air, down air, down a, jump forward, fire Charge Shot. lol

Check my last post.

...

And Sephira, lol, sig quote.

Hahaha thanks, it's my own quote actually XD
Something i cross-linked, no idea why xD
except the Klavier part, that's from Phoenix Wright Bull[censored] Evolved xD

Testing in a moment.

EDIT:

Forward Air works perfect. Hitbox and everything.

Neutral Air works at first, but right at the end of the animation it causes a freeze. Right when Samus is turned the other direction, right before the fall animation would begin.

@Weyard: Great!

@Seph: It's funny. And I wan't including the Klavier line.

Read my EDIT if you haven't already.

What would be causing that freeze at the end?

Hm... That maybe because I left the code for the throw collision...

I'll change that, I wanted to see if the animation worked. Btw, did the Grapple Beam show up during the N-Air?

Ya it's still there and looks fine.

Still there? I just added it!

Btw, how does the move look overall? With the grapple beam and all!

Dunno. I didn't actually see it. Aether just relayed it to me after he tested it because he isn't on his laptop right now. I'll go check it myself now. The freeze might have just been random for all I know.

EDIT: Disregard everything I said about the n-air before. No idea what Aether was talking about.

The Forward Air is working perfect.

The N-air isn't freezing every time.
The whip/grapple beam is NOT appearing. Repeat, NOT appearing.
An infinite graphic effect appears on the gun, but the beam itself doesn't show up. This effect could be the whip all bunched up into a ball, I'm not sure.
The infinite graphic effect is present on the tip of the gun until you use a grab move on the ground. At that point it disappears.

After using it about 10-20 times, it froze again.

I only used it once the first time. I saw blue so i assumed the beam was there. Second time testing it, you can see that the beam IS NOT there. Just an infinite gfx which may or may not be the beam. The gfx stays until you use a grab on the ground. At the end of the animation she turns the other direction, so you need to set it so she really turns at the end of it, like Marth's back air.

After using it about 20 times i got another freeze, not sure why though.

Hmm... even more interesting...

I'll look through it...

Edit: The turn around is because I copied the back throw which makes Samus turn around. I'll fix that.

Edit2:
Try this out.
http://www.mediafire.com/?6x7b8py87afrnu1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?6x7b8py87afrnu1)
check out the neutral air only. Tell me what happens and what it looks like.

N-air works now.

The hitbox is awesome. It is RIGHT on the beam itself.
The beam goes pretty far ahead of you at the middle of the animation so it is somewhat broken now if you were to learn it's timing. Overall it looks pretty good right now.

HOWEVER, if you short hop it and hit the ground before the animation ends, the infinite beam effect is still on the tip of the gun until you grab an opponent.

The damage and knockback seem to be a little high right now. Might wanna lower them.
Oh and there is a screen shaking effect somewhere in the attack. It makes it seem like it's hitting a lot harder than it is. That probably needs to be removed.

Sure. Glad to see it works properly.

And I can fix the landing w/ grapple issue. I have to look at the CatchAir code.

and yeah, the knockback is from the Z-air attack. So i'll adjust that. Want it a low stun like Neutral A? Or Side Tilt(The anglable kick)?

Dunno. Gamma should probably be the one to decide on the damage/knockback.
We should strive for balance above all else.

-

I also got a freeze during grabbing. That's probably just because it doesn't have any actual throws right now.

And that it thinks that it's using a grapple beam when there's no article to generate from. (I removed the generate article. I'll fix that once Aether can get the grab stuff done.)

Anyways, that's it for tonight. Be back on tomorrow.

k. I'm about to eat so I wouldn't be able to test anything else for an hour or so anyway.

Ok.

So.

7 pages.

Hm.

>_>

Can someone fill me in on what we have done, what needs fixing, and what is yet to be done?

And what should I do?

I just read through all seven pages, but I would appreciate a quick summary. XD

Also

I have the next three days off of work

So

I'm available to do some work. :]

Summary:

Neutral Air is finished with a working hitbox. The only problem is that it keeps the graphic effect sometimes.

Forward Air has a place holder move in and is working perfectly. (using the old neutral air Kick)

All crouch animations are now working with and without item-in-hand.

We still need crawl implemented via code and an animation to fit it.

Grab/throw is no longer functioning for some reason. It sometimes causes freezes. This is on hold I think.

Aether is still working on grab/pummel animations.

The beep boop taunt still shows the gun opening up and spinning.

I started on the vertex. I did some work on polygon 0 but that's it so far.

That's about all I can remember.

As for animations, just start on a new move I guess. Everything we were working on last night is basically finished right?

Actually, ZSS's forward air looks pretty good on Samus as well.

Just throwing that out there.

Also, I suppose I can fix up the Beep Boop taunt. (I love how we're still calling it that.)

And if we are still using the Missiles for the Side Tilt and Smash, I guess I could port those over and fix them up as well.

Beep boop just fits it perfectly.

... really?

I thought the hand was hovering above her Arm Canon though.

Like, she's not even touching the buttons.

Yeah, but maybe in the future touch screens will be so advanced that YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO TOUCH THEM!
Eitherway, BeepBoop needs to stay.


--------
CatchWait is finished
http://www.mediafire.com/?v44bcwmlyt7ttgi

Still working on CatchAttack. Nothing i do looks right. Anyone else wanna try it instead?

Oh Beep Boop is definitely staying. XD

It just needs some touch-ups.

Also

Is there a more recent MotionEtc we're using? That way I can incorporate CatchWait into it.

blade posted both in the same post earlier, im not sure if those are the newest or not though.

Hrm.

Well, I'll incorporate it into the most recent one I have.

And if he has a more recent one, then I'll use that instead.

We'll use mine because I have modified the neutral air and Forward air for the PSA.

Also, since no one actually read it, BOTH Missles are SIDE SMASH. Fully Charged is Super Missles. Any other charge is Homing Missles. They can both be angled.

SIDE TILT is going to be like ZSS' Side Smash but weaker and shorter ranged. And yes, It can also be angled.

Can't wait for this to be released!

I can start testing again in about an hour, if you've got anything new to test so far.

nah, i've done nothing new.

btw, is the most recent neutral air glitch-free? I can't remember.

Alright, well, would you mind re-posting it? I don't feel like digging through all these pages.

And if we're using ZSS's Side Smash, will we be using Samus's Grapple Beam as a "whip?" Or are we just using the animation?

The Grapple beam will acts as a whip. And the animation is gonna be custom for the STilt which... I could do... It doesn't matter.

It's gonna look like Samus turning to the right, then twirl while whipping out her Grapple Beam. But it will have a good chunk of ending lag.

Would someone else like to animate the Side Tilt (also for angled versions) while I work on throws?

Edit: I just added a little something in the Squat animations. I'll leave that for the next tester.

Alright.

You can go ahead and do the whip animation. I'll work on the angled Tilts.

The last one still had the infinite effect stuck on the end of the gun if you shorthopped it and hit the ground before the animation ended. Otherwise it was finished.

Oh! I almost forgot.


This will allow Samus to move back and forth while charging.

Maybe.

At least, that's what DO says. XD

Awesome. Now we just need to make the uncharged version faster and make it overall weaker.

I just animated the Up Throw. Gonna work on Down next.

@Gamma: The tilt is the whip animation... The Smashes are the missles.

@Weyard: Ok, I know how to fix that.

Also, for the Charge Beam, how many levels of charge are we having? The same as Brawl? Or rapid shots and full charged shots?

I would have always preferred to just have rapid non-charged shots, about as fast as Falco's laser but with no knockback/little knockback. Then a fully charged version being the same as Brawl's normal fully charged version. I wouldn't worry about having mid-level charges and such.

Whoops. Mixed them up. XD

I say have only two levels of charge. If it isn't charged for a certain amount of time, it just fires thw weak shot. If, however, it's charged for a certain amount of time or longer, it fires the fully charged shot.

Think D³ and his Jet Hammer.

In my honest opinion.

i would change the graphic to the Duon beam. and make her have the simple ability to shoot fast with not knock back.

and to charge it a little bit and hit someone with this beam that does like 10% damage and knockback. (if you just want give her standard charge shot. this isn't megaman with multiple charges)

may i ask why make the smashes missles? it works. but that'll take some gettin used to. then what's the Side-B going to be? her super death run?

and her Up-B, what is it going to be? make a ground version, as you make her aerial version the screw attack?

Side B is gonna be the Screw Attack.

But horizontal.

Up B is gonna be the Shinespark.

Ok then.

Gamma, work on the neutral special animation. Because that's an essential to this PSA. I want it done and ready before most other things. Just because of file size issues.

I was just thinking that I should Look at Eldrain's Zero PSA. It has alot of essentials to our PSA. Neutral Charge in stages, Different Smashes depending on charge, close-up grabs, etc.

@Ultraxwing, we have multiple charges depending on weak or strong shots.
And what Gamma said about specials.

Why is Up-B going to be Shinespark? whouldn't it make more sense if it as Side-B seeing how that move works much like Ike's Side B.

i mean you can make the move anyway you want. i'm saying leave Screwattack alone (or make it weaker and make it where you can do it 3 times lol)

and mike Shinespark Side-B. what's going to be the Down-b

Why doesn't anyone read the OP? The moveset was stated in the very first post people.
Read it before posting so we don't have to restate the moveset on every page -.-

K.

I'll just make her shooting animation simple. Kinda like Super Metroid, I suppose.

I might actually start from scratch, for once. :O


It's more similar to Other M this way.

Think about it.

When has Screw Attack ever shot up straight like that?

Never.

Although it can be used to gain vertical distance, it's always been better horizontally.

On the other hand, the Shinespark can be directed either uppwards or to the side. So really, it could be used for either.

Up B is preferable.

I only look at the OP once usually. unless the title says it's been updated lol.

i mean, i hope Shinespark works the way it should to be honest.

anyway. SO can't wait for moveset to be finished.



oh and i forgot shinespark could be angled. it's much like Foxes Up-B then. (haven't played super metroid in a while. and after my Drive died i couldn't beat Other:M i was right after the part when that Furby Chooble thing just evolved... i think it's Ridley, i just have a feeling about it.

Actually

Modeling it after Fox's Up B is not a bad idea at all.

Have some starting lag (similar to how the Shinespark kind of "starts up") and during that lag you can direct the Shinepark wherever you tilt the control stick.

But not downwards. That would be silly.

If Shinkespark is going to angle, it'll be either 90°, 45°, 135°. It's an Up B for a reason.
Plus the usage of Shinespark in Other M is usually to go up.

Of course. and it will save coding space.

do you plan on making multiple versions with other lasers? like that plasma beam? and what not

That's kinda what I was getting at, yeah.

And I forgot to mention, I was toying with the Beep Boop taunt last night. It looks a bit more realistic, as she's actually touching her Canon now.

Needs some more fixing, but at least it looks presentable.

Except that one part where you are running from the avalance, she shinesparks to the side : p
Give it 3 angles. Up, and then slanted to the left or right.

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Mind if i give her ZSS's Forward Air? One of you mentioned it earlier i think and it would be an easy switch.

Oh and if your going to make this Other M do you plan on making the ability for her to "heal"

the idea is that she goes into a looping animatin which you can move out of. and she heals percentage slowly. you know that kneeling pose.

maybe as a secret taunt.. or somethin.

Well of course she can Shinespark to the side. XD

And I mentioned her Fair looks good on Samus. I say go for it.


Like Concentration?

I like the idea.

I wouldn't have any idea as to how to do it

But I like it.

yeah if theres enough space when its finished that would be cool, but it doesnt take any priority.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that.

Uh... I'll have to think about that one.

And sure about the Fair. I don't think people want a Sex Kick as a forward air. Ever.

It's an after thought, but i think it should come first rather than the crawl.

and i noticed i'm on the team lolz.


and Down B is five bomb drop? will it propel her upward like it could in the Original Metroid?

Wouldn't wolf's up-b be more similar to shineSpark than Fox's? It has less start up lag and the actual move is carried out faster. Then it has more ending lag.

ZSS's forward Air would be fine for me.

Yeah, i think building Samus's Shinespark from wolf's is a better idea.

I think we're going with the Power Bomb idea.


Actually, we were comparing it to Fox's UP B. XD

Though I see what you're saying.

I was talking about Wolf's UPB as well. I'm talking about the mechanics of it, not the animation.

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I'm really against the concentration healing move being included. Unless you were to make a gimmick so you had a missile count and had to use it to restore them.

IMO being able to heal/refill missiles at any time was one of the things hurt Other M.

well, i read the Manga. They included that in from the manga, cause the suit could officially do that.

and i'd like it if she had concentration. (only because i like Metroid other M and this would make sense) and it would heal like 1 every 2 seconds. it's an after that would be nice to have.

Actually, Wolf's UpB is better. Also deals multiple hits which I believe shinespark does.

and if you look at the OP. Five Bomb Drop is Down Smash.

Also, Gamma, could you update the OP? fix stuff like Nair, Fair, STilt, SSmash, Down Special, and my name XD (you forgot the "_" between Royal and Blade.)

Edit: I don't like the idea of self healing. It sound's overpowered. It's fine for Ness and Lucas because someone has to actually give them something before they heal.

i meant downsmash, not Down-B...

OOPS MY BAD
-Optimus Prime

Don't worry, it doesn't have any priority over anything else as of now.

It would be interesting to have, but it's not necessary.



I don't think it does multiple hits. If I remember correctly, it's always been a one-hit-kill kind of thing.

At least for smaller enemies. /:

Can you summarize the changes we've made? That way I can just copy and paste.

And sure, I'll add the "_"

As for the Down Smash thing....



:srs:

Still, you have to stand there like an idiot to heal 1% every second or so. Its not nearly as game breaking as it sounds. It wasnt even that gamebreaking other M. I mean, have you ever tried to heal while fighting Ridley? OHHHH GAAAAWWWDDD. And on the subject, Ridley 1hko's you with every attack on Hard Mode. If you've never had the pleasure of experiencing that, i totally recommend it.

'Cause he's a badass.

:af:

Someone needs to make his Other M version on Ganondorf now that we know his cape makes awesome wings. It'd be amazing and completely in-need of a moveset.

We're off-topic hard. Lets get back on.

Forward Air animation
http://www.mediafire.com/?j54blccaxjt7yo4

Just copy ZSS's events in PSA exact and it should be fine i think. I dont see anything there that would cause a problem except for that RA-Bit 30 = false. Im not sure what that even does....

Peach could own him with a stich faced turnip..

i swear i had a texture for Samus it gave her the Phazon suit (oh how i miss you) but meh.

and ridley is a bad ass... and is that furry thing Ridley? i want to cuddle it, but i think it might be Gamma... cause it's intelligent like samus, it used her to get the honey. and it tried to attack her when it was up to strength, and the second form has some similiraities. oh and the young thing's mouth is huge.

It doesn't specify whether the birdy and lizard are part of Ridley's natural life cycle, or if those are genetically engineered to give him a form to grow in until he is fully grown.

Thanks.

Blade should add that to the MotionEtc.

Which reminds me

Blade, can you post your MotionEtc? I need an up-to-date one. /:

I'm also making her Missile Side Smash. I'm just gonna use some bits and pieces of her Side B animation.



I doubt it was genetically engineered. The scientists had no idea it was even Ridley.

Anyway



^

Darn... so it is Ridley i knew it... all metroid games must have Ridley and Metroids. why not go Majora's mask one day and leave out Ganondorf (they did in Metroid II)

but meh. oh and what if we added in some Corruption elements for fun =3 like maybe a phazon beam???

Oops.

Spoiler alert. :af:

I dunno about adding MP3 stuff.

I'd prefer to stick with Other M stuff, since it's more similar to the "classic" style of Samus.

Better not say that Gamma. Haters apparently hate Other M because its consistent with the manga and Samus's set-in-stone personality. You know that. I dont see how in some people's mind "best game in the series" translates into "worst game in the series". It baffles me.

Ridley isn't in Metroid 2, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, or Metroid Prime Hunters.
Metroid's aren't in Metroid Prime Hunters.

I'm still waiting for Ridley to actually be the final boss on one. (preferebly in another Prime trilogy taking place before at some point before Super.

You and I both know that haters are gonna hate.

And I was referring more to the playstyle, actually.

You know, third person and all that. XD


Shhhhh.

We Metroid fans prefer not to speak about Hunters....

True true.

so is the down smash going to keep propeling her up? or not?

do you plan on makign multiple weak missles coming out as a middle charge?



EDIT:
damn, i keep forgetting. somethings, i wish my gamecube/wii would work it's been about a year (i suffer from minimal memory (http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/143/193/cad-20080602-358b1.jpg?1309710446))

(agreed about hunters, though necessary for story line  :>.>palm:)

Sure I'll upload an updated motionetc. Just give me a sec.

Probably just once. I think that's how it was in Super Metroid.


Hunters had a story line?


Thanks.

A little bit.

it was necessary to understand a little bit of samus's motives. (very faint though... [censored]TY GAME THOUGH)

I like the story in Hunters. It's ok, but its like an unfinished game. The Single Player gameplay is absolute garbage though.

I liked the multiplayer for a while. But then Aether refused to play anymore because I would only use Trace (snipe camping) or Weavel (turret mode all the time).

any way.

so Down Smash will have 3 or 5 charges.i say 5 seeing how you can use 5 bombs.

what about mutltiple missles until the third charge for the Side smash?

I say we just keep the smashes simple, as they are in the OP, until they are finished. If we have some file space left, then we can expand them.

We can't make everything have multiple charges. That would take up too much file space.

Remember, we're working with Samus here.

And Weyard, have you started the vertex yet?

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5192/roflbotgp.th.jpg)

Hunter's story was ok, its just the repetitive bosses and bad controls that ruined it.


Down Smash will be the exact same as it is in Super Metroid. You charge as you would any down smash, then once you release the button she drops 5 bombs that spread out. They blow up one at a time but dont bounce her.

*Sigh*
Down Smash is in thought right now. We haven't decided on charges for it yet.

And I've said it multiple times about missles... Fully Charged or Non Charged. Same as Charge Beam.

Samus agrees with the above

(http://a.imageshack.us/img225/7273/32266574.gif)


anyway, i forget how small her file size is. so just do what is necessary then.

I finished her left arm, the forearm part of the right arm, slimmed down the sides of the chest, and started on the Bathing suit-shaped part of the bottom of the waist. Basically haven't touched anything but polygon 0 so far.

I should have polygon 0 finished by tomorrow.

Or within a few hours if would actually just do it. Its not like youre doing anything else.

Glad to hear it. Can't wait to see how it turns out.


o u

Your making MOM samus?

that's cool.

do you think if at all possible (and file size worthy) could make Side-B repeatable? but loses air evertime she does it? or just keep it once but allow it to have extreme gain.

That's what I was hoping for.

But again.

No idea how to do it.

D:

The future holds promise.

and may a few people be willing to throw a few pointers.

3 days, a load of progress and 22 pages o.O  Woah.  You guys are working fast

If we have any problems with PSA, I'll just ask DO. He's always eager to help. =P


I think about four of these pages were off-topic.

Ah well. XD

Yeah theres been some off topic discussions, but most of the progress is going fast. We are getting about 2 or 3 things done every day. Within a few weeks it should be more or less finished unless something big comes up and ruins it.

That's still 19 pages of On Topic XD  My topic probably has at least 100 pages of Off Topic out of its 290 @_@

I'm extremely busy.
I have this topic on tab1.
I keep refreshing this tab and making posts occasionally.
I have Memebase on tab2. I plan to go to one of the other sections of the site after I get back to the old pictures.
I'm looking for funny Other M-related pictures on Tab3.
Like this:

I'm also watching tv.

Thanks SDoom.

Update: http://www.mediafire.com/?0b33gkdtj22mkkf (http://www.mediafire.com/?0b33gkdtj22mkkf)

Which includes:
Up Throw animation, no PSA yet.
ZSS FAir, with PSA
A little something special with crouch

Any testers?

and lol.

Don't you dare do anything this time Ridley...

i've got an idea. you know your Beep Boop Taunt?

make that the ability to switch lasers (if size limit possible) seeing how she is pressing buttons and whatnot.

Testing away!!!!!!

lol funny that they had completely makeup that last frame to make the context seem funny.

And did anyone notice Anthony's face? Someones a racist.  :srs:

i wish i could test, but i'm at my friends house.

so, the tilts are going to be samus using her grapple beam as a whip? won't that take up alot of Filesize?

I've got the next three days off of work, so let's hope we can keep this up.



A lot of it is discussion about what we're doing.

Which is good, I guess.

I also saw your little math error there...



 :srs:



Thanks. I'll include some of the animations I have and I'll test it.

Also...

What .pac file are we using? For the PSA.



lolwut

Just build it on the last one Blade posted. Brb testing.

i was joking saying that Ridley is always out to screw up samus's plans.

any plans for the ice beam? (if possible)

Yeah.

I realized that the .pac was included afterwards. XD

Freezes during forward Air. Reseting brb.

Oh yeah, something I noticed about the "Catch", "CatchDash" and "CatchTurn" animations.  Since you swapped them for others, the ThrowN bone is in the wrong place.  This is the bone that controls where the grab collision is.  At the moment, it's in the ground rather than just infront of Samus.  

No Alternate Beams. They would be nice, but hey, they take up size which is what we don't have much of...

And yeah the .pac was included. Also, I didn't put in Aether's grab wait, I want to fix it up.

Speaking of which, Aether, who's grab is that wait based from? Ike's?

@Sdoom, could you help fix it?

Ok, finished testing. It freezes during forward Air and while grabbing.
N-air is still fine.

Didn't check crouch. I'll test it right now.

Sure I'll fix it ;)

Hm... then there must be something in code that doesn't work by copy/paste...

Edit: Thanks Sdoom. Also, since we switched samus' grabing hand, will that cause any issues?

I'll go ahead and do that. I have a few animations that I want to throw in there.


Thank you very much for your help. :]

yeah all the grabs are from Ike with a few edits. I thought it attached the opponent to your HaveN, so its ThrowN? I didnt know that. Go ahead and fix that then.

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8678/newcanvasf.th.png)

Nope.  Throws are always controlled with the ThrowN bone.  She could grab the foe with her feet and it wouldn't matter XD

Hence why it's called "ThrowN."

:af:

Heh, makes sense.

Also I think the issue with the new Fair was the SFX. It probably didn't recognize it properly because it's ZSS'.

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8678/newcanvasf.th.png)
This should be added to the OP. Not sure why but it should be.

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@Blade

Tested it more.

Grab doesn't always freeze. When it does go through, you still can't throw in any direction. The opponent sits there until they break free.

Forward Air DOES freeze every time.

I don't see anything going on with crouch. I tested item crouch as well and don't see anything.
What were you trying to do there?

aw man... well I was trying to add a flash effect thats green for whenever you turn in and out of morphball. Maybe i put it in wrong...

Edit: And hopefully the grab issue gets fixed when Sdoom fixes the problem.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mqt34bul3gvgc3j

Fixed them ^^  Also, I made it so that the grabs weren't hovering in the air XD

i forget the term but when you have the enemy grabbed, make it where when you grab A to do extra damage, she shoots them in the face, or shoots them with the quick shot.

K testing it now.

There might have been a flash effect when going into Ball mode Blade. It just isn't very noticeable. Aether said he thought he saw a flash, but I couldn't see anything.

@ Weyard, maybe it isn't noticable, i'll increase the alpha then (or decrease it)

Done.

Go take a look. :af:



Thanks again. Now time to merge this with two other MotionEtc files. XD

Oy.



You mean the Pummel.

k

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Testing Sdoom's motion.

900th Post

yeah the pummel is originally done with with her freehand.

she now holds with that. so why not go all brutal you know.

That new fitmotion isn't doing anything at all Sdoom.

You still can't throw and I got a freeze during grabs.

Might not be compatable with the .pac for some reason. I'll delete it and try again.

I think it's actually due to the absence of the grappling beam in the grab.  Zero by Eldiran was able to have a normal grab instead of Link's grapple.  I'll have a look at it in PSA.  I don't think the animations are the problem.

The pummel is a whack with her arm cannon. probably do around 3%.

I think he just fixed them for when we get them working via PSA. (Aw, Ninja'd XD)

Also, test this: http://www.mediafire.com/?p07735mv3al7mpp (http://www.mediafire.com/?p07735mv3al7mpp)
Check the crouch (for flashes) and Fair (to see if it freezes).

So I wasn't supposed to test it? lol.
I'm just grabbing every file that's posted and testing it anyway.

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Note that without the .pac, all the animations and moves are working fine. The f-air animation works fine, so it's problem lies in psa.

The grabs also work, although the new upthrow is all mangled and crumpled. You can't really tell what it is was meant to be.


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Testing the new files.

It's because in the "updated" .pac, it removes the Grapple Beam article.  What you want to do is make in invisible rather than remove it.  Simply put the "Generate Article" at the start back in, the "Remove Article" at the end back in and edit the timers so that they properly fit the grab animation.

Is that all Eldrain did with his Zero PSA? Just make the grapple beam (in his case hookshot) invisible?

Blade, F-air still freezes with the new files.

testing crouch.

Argh. SDoom can look at the Forward air for me? I don't know much, maybe you can help fix the issue?

I heard Aether mentioned there was an RA-bit or something in her Fair.

You didn't happen to copy that over, did you?

Uh... Maybe... what does it do exactly?

I think I may know the problem with the F Air:

The two sound effects, did you copy them straight from ZSS?  If you did, change them to something else.  

I'd recommend changing it to Sound Effect B63 (this is the sound she makes when kicking in the B Air and U Air).

Well

We don't know. XD

Perhaps that's the problem?

Upon further testing, F-air still freezes.

The green is working on crouch, but it lasts a little too long. It activates as soon as you press down, making Samus completely green. Then it goes away as soon as you getinto ball mode. Is is meant to be a flash or a color change during the entire transformation part of the animation?

RaBits do all sorts of things. It's best to remove them when moving moves from one character to another.

This is awesome guys!  I'm really glad to finally see an appropriate Samus PSA being done.  Sakurai's vision of Samus never really fit (though I loved using her in Melee.)

Some suggestions:

I don't know if this would save on the file size limit but how's about this for her Five Bomb Drop:  Charge up her arm cannon then use her down tilt A.  Instead of being a Morph Ball Bomb it now becomes the Five Bomb Drop.  It's essentially used in the same way that Super Metroid prepped the attack.  My thoughts here are that it would free up the down smash but would also prevent you from having the use up the extra charges the utilize the attack as it is.  Just use the existing charge on the Charge Beam.  Again, I don't know if that would work as I have envisioned but it's some food for thought.

The file size limit is a concern but I'm going to make some other suggestions.  If you like them and can fit them in then great but otherwise I'll live.  I'll try to keep them canon to Other M and Super Metroid.



As a final meandering thought, I wonder if it's possible to make a custom stage with a spot that only a very small character could enter.  I'm talking morph ball small.  It'd be kinda cool if someone could make a Metroid stage which had some areas that only Samus in her morph ball form could enter.  Giving her a way to escape the chaos if she needs to but also serving another function: the ability to reach the high ground in a unique way to take the advantage... Again, just an afterthought.

Gaia, read the OP first, everything there is set (which gamma, i'll send you a list of updates for the OP). Also the stage idea is good, the hole would be useless if we can't get a crawl working.

SDoom: I changed that already to those exact sounds. XD

And I'll remove the RA variables and see what happens.

Ok. I really need a summary of what we done, as we have quite a few files floating around now. XD

I want to condense it back down to just the two.

And Gaia, thanks for the input. :]

Try this .pac
http://www.mediafire.com/?1ccildfq5cs23li (http://www.mediafire.com/?1ccildfq5cs23li)
I altered the F-Air, Crouch flash, and Grabbing. Test those out.

The stage idea sounds interesting, even more so if we implement the healing thing from Other M. Whenever you get to a high percentage, just roll into the safe place and heal up xD
Broken of course, but everyone doesnt play for balancing.

I do. D:

Also



Has anyone tested it yet? Or should I take a break from animating for a couple of seconds and test it myself.

For the record, I'm almost done with the Missile shooting animation for the Side Smash.

The Hold animations are always the worst to do. -_-

Well, I can't test it now.  I'll be going to sleep soon ^-^

We just tested it.
The green on the Crouch looks about right, but its dirty diaper green, it should be neon green to look right.

Forward Air still freezes.....

Throws work, all of them, but the beam is still visible in all of them except for the actual GRAB itself. My CatchWait isnt put in yet either?

I do. I prefer it.

Anyways, Gamma, here's the list of changes:
Side Tilt: Grapple Whip. Samus uses the grapple beam as a whip. (Can be angled up or down)

Side Smash: Missles. Fully Charged shoots Super Missiles, non-full charged shoots Homing Missiles (Can also be angled)

Neutral Air: Samus uses her Grapple Beam as a whip and spins around.
Forward Air: Samus double kick's the air infront of her.

Down B: Power Bomb (Works like Ganondorf's UTilt. It auto charges then releases a large dome of energy which will deal roughly 20% or so. Unleashing the energy deals 10% to Samus herself.)

Edit:
Aether, you tested it with the most recent motionetc.pac?
And i'll change the green, just wanted to make shure it works.

Grabs all work now.

As for crouch, Samus is still green through most of the animation. Not sure if thats how you want it or not though.

The color is also disgusting as Aether said lol. It's like asparagus vomit green.
Forward Air STILL FREEZES.

I suggest you just put Samus's old Forward Air psa info back into her forward air subaction. Then change edit the existing hitboxes to put the hitbox on her legs.
Have all hitboxes except the last one have no knockback but a little hitstun (like ZSS's forward Air), while the final hit deals knockback.

Also remove the fire flags/gfx. It has to be easier than all this testing and editing on ZSS's pasted info.

I already know that the animation is compatable with her old psa info for Forward Air because it worked when I tested the fitmotion without a pac earlier.

You would be emulating ZSS's forward Air without having to take it's info and rework it.

Hm... I'll see what i can do..

We're going with the Power Bomb as the Down Smash?

I thought we were using that as the Down B. /:

I did read the OP.  A few times.  But I also read all 25 pages of comments and among those pages it was mentioned that even though the moveset is set after the changes are done there might still be more made in the future.  Should there be room.  My suggestions are for if the PSA goes any further than what was in the OP.

Also this is directly from the OP

~Moveset~
*Keep in mind that this moveset is tentative and subject to change*


And I would love to see that stage done.  Brawl needs a really good Metroid stage. (Mewtwo2000, here's looking at you)

Dunno. I assumed it was for Down Smash the whole time.
Doesn't matter though. You will probably have to reroute/redirect moves around later (every psa does it), so it doesn't really matter which move it starts out on.

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Super Metroid and the intro of Prime is all that has gotten any Stage Recognition from Sakurai.

Apparently none of the stage makers here like Metroid either. It isn't surprising though. I'm one of the only vertexers who has even attempted any Metroid related stuff.

Made some quick edits to the F Air and grabs.  Try this new one out:

http://www.mediafire.com/?klrtklh4qmd5124

Now off to sleep XD

Testing.

EDIT:

Forward Air is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://goofygifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/funny-gifs-happy-dance1.gif)

Actually, Demonslayer has done a few imports from Other M.



Thanks again. :]

Goodniiiiiiiiight.



^

Ok, i'll wait then.

And I put Power Bomb as Down B... I don't know what you're reading...

Edit:
Also, put my name as Royal_Blade in the OP. I prefer that. (This name is just for kicks.)

Read my last edit. F-air is working on Sdoom's pac.

That's great. I have to see what he did.

Edit:
Huh, he seemed to have made the same ones I did. (But I left the RA variable. It's used in Samus' other aerials.)

Ok, I'll go from SDoom's.

k. Lets move on then :D

So you're working on the missile moves Gamma?

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Eating dinner. I won't be available for anymore testing for an hour or two.

It's not a midget.

Most of his legs are gone.

You can see the lose skin under his pants.

Yep.

I just need to work on the angled smashes.


They look much, much better in Brawl Box.

Trust me.

Anyway

I'm gonna put together all the MotionEtc files, and test them in-game with the .pac SDoom provided.

I'll probably record some in-game footage as well.

Aw...

Then who's gonna test this?
http://www.mediafire.com/?rvp1pod7cz67r8z (http://www.mediafire.com/?rvp1pod7cz67r8z)
Not much different from SDooms.
Altered the Grab/Throws to make the Grapple Beam invisible.
The green during crouch should be better.

Edit:
Ooh... I hope the animations do look better, your vid makes it look choppy...
Gamma! Test this out instead. (If they're are issues, then use SDoom's)
And have SDoom's Spidy star in the video for his help so far.

Alright, I'll test that out instead.

I just reeeeaaaaally want to condense all this back down to 2 files. XD

Too many things floating around.

Whenever you put all the progress into one, I'm here to test. Finally got a good eight hours of sleep lol

I'm excited for the video since I've tested NOTHING myself, So Gamma's vid is the only thing I've seen physicallly in-game. (Minus Weyard's pics before)

Just finished compiling everything into one MotionEtc.

I think.

If you notice anything missing in the video, let me know.

Now I'm off to test~

Ok. Awaiting you're results.

I'm back and I'll test that last file you posted Blade.

:3 what about the FitSamus.pac, is it all compiled into one?

Ugh.

So apparently my power cord got fried from a lightning storm we had the other night.

>_>

Just give me a few minutes, I gotta move a few things around...

Aether says he's had some issues with the N-air trying to grapple the edge, causing a mess and freezes. Look into it real quick and make sure there are no ledge grappling things in it.

@ Gamma

 :(

Why would you use the N-air to grapple the ledge? The move wasn't designed that way...

Well, see what happens.

Using the last one posted i think it was, after shorthoppin Neutral Air, once it made me drop through a ledge with a weird slingshot motion. NO IDEA what happened. Shortly after i used it near a ledge and it attempted to latch on and pulled me close to the ledge. After the animation ended i was able to move again. I tried to repeat the results and got a freeze. Im thinking this isnt gonna work without having a few random glitches in there just waiting to pop out. The mechanics of using her grapplebeam just mess things up.

oh and that infinite gfx from the Neutral Air is staying visible when you shorthop it. Not sure whats causing that. You have to either use the move again in the air, or grab to make it disappear.

Don't worry, it's just a minor problem. I have a temporary solution in place, so it should be fine.

It's gonna cost me about $15, but hey.

:|

Hm... I think I know what the issue could be for the N-air, it involves the stuff I copied.

And I guess I forgot to fix that grapple gfx issue. Np.

@ Blade

The new pac is good. Everything seems to be working fine.

One thing I see is that the grapple gfx is still appearing during the Grab animation, but it is gone during throws.

The green during the crouch is truly a flash now. Looks ok but it is barely noticable.

Go on and compile the .pacs so we have one of each now. Then put those missile moves in so I can test them.

So... should I wait to make a video?

Or should I go ahead and do it?

I would wait on videos until you have some more stuff finished. Everything is changing too fast now for it to be justified. I would wait until we have one B move changed. Then release a Beta version to the public after you have two B moves finished. That's how most psa's go isn't it?

Pretty much.

This wasn't gonna be official or anything. it would be like my animation videos.

Unlisted, unofficial.

Just so we can see how everything looks in-game.

By the way

The Squat animations look great.

No green light though. /:

It's a good thing you had a surge protector.  I remember once when my family had our t.v. and NES plugged directly in the wall and lightning took them out.  That sucked.

On topic, this psa seems to be coming along pretty quickly.  I'm sure it helps that there are several people passionate enough about the project to work hard on it.  I'm looking forward to getting to use a new Samus moveset for a change.  If Dark Samus gets ported onto another character we're going to have a very interesting match.

yeah. wait. I'd wait until we've got... more.

In the meantime;
http://www.mediafire.com/?3vwd7g1s8c2b3n4 (http://www.mediafire.com/?3vwd7g1s8c2b3n4)
The grapple effect is unchanged since i uploaded before seeing weyard's post

See if that fixed any N-air stuff.

Edit: Make a video if you want to show ingame stuff to the public but no beta. (even though we're showing off every file in this topic.)

This won't count as a beta or anything. It's just a "showcase" of sorts.

Really, I'm just making it so we can actually see what we're doing. XD

Anyway

I'll take this .pac, and use it to make the video.

testing-

Ya hopefully no random people come in here and download these files thinking they have the finished product.

yeah, a showcase is good.

That's what they get for snooping around. :af:

Anyway, give me about 10 or 20 minutes for the video. In the meantime, maybe you guys can tweak a few things.

And Weyard, you're still vertexing, yes?

Well, as long as the DL links are not on the first and last pages, I don't think anyone would find them. Not many people look at previous page posts.

yes, after I'm no longer needed for testing tonight.

The new file is all good. No problems so far.

Getting hit while using N-air causes some problems with the beam flying about, but it doesn't seem to affect anything other than just being unsightly.

Good. That's very good.

Well seeing how i'm not truly helping besides input. (which does help alot)

anyone want to make this a joint thread? i can make the Dark Samus PSA. but i'll port samus's model over another character, fix the glitches on the model and try and make a whole new character.

the mother of Metroid hacks (MOM hacks) i'll get started, i just don't want to start a whole new thread.


What about Lucario? this way i can have a "phazon shot"

I dunno. I'd have to completely overhaul the entire OP. /:

There'd be nothing wrong with making a new thread, I'm sure it would generate the same amount of hype this did.

And don't say you aren't contributing, because input is very helpful and always valued. :]

Anyway

Finished recording.

That was faster than I thought it would be. XD

Just make a new thread. This one is cluttered with lots of off topic posts as it is lol. It would probably just be better to have it in a different thread. It isn't really related to Other M Samus, so I don't see any reason it should be in the same thread.

Although I'd like to see an accurate Dark Samus psa at some point. The one we have now is stupid. It doesn't have any of the moves Dark Samus uses in Echoes or Corruption.

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Every tester and every person who gives imput puts the psa one step closer to completion.

Cool.

well i was hoping to Join thread because... well, no one really posts in my "PSA" threads.

i loes motivation when trying to do it, so i say "Screw attack it"

oh and. F-AIR works friggin finally.

i'll get some model work done.

and does any 1 know if Nuke is even still around? i mean, i need to ask his permission to use the animations.


EDIT:

well, we can make a more accurate Dark Samus. i just need Juke's Permission... to use his animations or if Gamma wants to make whole new ones.

and it's going over Lucario, for the Nuetral B is going to be pretty much Lucarios.

Nuke quit.

Not only did he quit hacking, but he quit KC-MM as well. /:

I'm sure you can use some of his animations, just collab him or something.

Though I could make them for you once everything is all said and done.

Anyway

Uploading the video to YouTube.

Yay. Video time! (very soon)

Don't forget to update it to the OP. And you haven't updated the OP with the moveset changes.

Edit: If you forgot or don't want to look back, here they are again:

Side Tilt: Grapple Whip. Samus uses the grapple beam as a whip. (Can be angled up or down)

Side Smash: Missles. Fully Charged shoots Super Missiles, non-full charged shoots Homing Missiles (Can also be angled)

Neutral Air: Samus uses her Grapple Beam as a whip and spins around.
Forward Air: Samus double kick's the air infront of her.

Down B: Power Bomb (Works like Ganondorf's UTilt. It auto charges then releases a large dome of energy which will deal roughly 20% or so. Unleashing the energy deals 10% to Samus herself.)

Aw shoot. I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

No problem.

check the post before yours, I put up the changes again.

How do you upload? The on-site uploader, a downloadable uploader, or with Windows Live Movie Maker?
For me, the online uploader takes like 3 days to upload even the smallest of videos. While the Windows Live Movie Maker's youtube uploader thing usually takes about 2 hours for the smallest of videos.
I'm wondering if there is some faster method I'm not aware of.

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Are we doing any more work tonight for me to test? If not, I'm gonna do some vertexing.

I found a good Other M texture and asked permission to use parts of it (if needed). I'm using the official textures for a great deal of it, but the visor on this guy's texture has Samus's face drawn on it and it looks pretty good.

yeah, no need to hijack this thread with something else. Make a separate one if you plan to start a dif project. Id like to see a more accurate Dark Samus too, but it'd probably have to be ported to Falco or somebody so it will have the Echos (Falco/Fox's Side B article).

Weyard, go vertex. If there is anything new, there are other people who can test.

well.

until i settle on who i want to port it over...

i need a moveset.

so i'll make a whole new thread for Darksamus. and i'll play test this one the way.

I can't wait till this is in it's alpha/beta stage.

I use the on-site uploader. It can be good or bad, depending on the file size.

Should be done in about six minutes, if it doesn't keep screwing up. >_>

Go ahead and go vertex, Weyard. I can do the testing from here on out. :]

Holy double-posts, Batman!

*sigh*
Gamma...

Down SMASH is Five Bomb Drop.

Down SPECIAL is Power Bomb.

Fix the OP please. All else is good.

well i like the one Air attack with the Whip. that is totally what samus would do.

is there any way we can fix the run? like totally edit it where the TransN bone moves the exact spot where Samus's TransN Bone originally moved on the Z axis. i think that might fix it.

That may fix it, yeah. I'll look into it right now.


>_>

<_<

Boy, I'm just on a roll today, aren't I?

*sigh*

I'll fix it.....

I love the run like that. It looks like a mix between her Original Metroid run and the Other M run. It's awesome the way it starts off slow then speeds up. I hope you don't change it.

@ Gamma

My Aggron :D
I really need to update it :/
I had an updated model with the bracelets removed that I made about a week ago, but it isn't on my desktop any more for some reason.

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Samus's chest is going to be slightly less accurate than I wanted. The eye things on the red part of the chest don't have enough vertices to make the Cresent shaped lights from the Other M suit. I'm going to have the lights make up a portion of it, but the whole curved part of it will just be texture.

Bathing suit-like structue is finished and I'm starting on the chest part.

I need to fix the run. /:

It's a bit clunky the way it is no.

Hopefully, I can make it smoother without changing it too much.

Also, yes. That's your Aggron. XD

I just chose a random Bowser texture.

I would have like to use a certain Mother Brain vertex, but oh well...

And show us some pics! I'd love to see your progress.

I'll get a preview out as soon as I fix the Hip Joints and lights on the chest.

I'm calling Polygon 0 finished for now. After I move some other things around I'll have go back into it and move a few vertices around I'm sure.

Sounds good to me. Can't wait for it. :]

Also, I fixed the running animation. It looks a billion times better than before, as it now loops smoothly. No clunkiness.

I daresay it's perfect. :O

Also also, I think everyone went to sleep. XD

im not asleep, i was just minecrafting xD

I loved the run the way it was too. Seemed more realistic where it was slow starting out.

I'm not, i'm busy playing around with Tabuu to make Snakes PSA accept Samus's Model.

i will have to fix the Item holding Glitch, but later.

It was slow starting up, yeah, but it wasn't smooth.

Trust me, it looks a LOT better now.

You can see for yourself.

This (http://www.mediafire.com/?0rd8jak183e24rw) is the updated MotionEtc.

And this (http://www.mediafire.com/?g8zo2b8ue7cd7be) is Blade's most recent .pac file.


There.

Just condensed it back down to two files. :]

I had never noticed how choppy it was until watching your vid. It looks fluid on my 80's barely functioning tv xD

Told you. :O

And what's wrong with the 80's?

Oh yeah.

Everything.

*anticipates topic derailment*

he's lying. It isn't an 80's tv. We got it around the time our parents got us a n64, so it was around 95 or so. The tv we had before that was huge and looked like a classic 80's tv.

I had the hue all wrong before. Don't know if you saw it, but in my topic I said that I couldn't get the pink right on the Dark trooper. It was because the hue and saturation was set so bright that you couldn't get a pink PERIOD. It was always red. I lowered it and Brawl is like a whole new experience now. Everything is more balanced in coloring and saturation.

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 Body and joints are finished. Fixing up the lights then I'll get a preview out

XD

So it was your TV throwing off your textures?

That's when you know you need a new one.

Can't wait to seeeeee~

Im fairly certain its older than that >.>

We need an HD TV  :srs:

I also can't wait to See MOM samus this'll be interesting.

and my dark samus thread is out, and i'm still trying to get her to work over Snake, just getting a crash, i gave her 13 extra bones too. so she has 70 bones vs snakes 69 :af:

I need an hd tv really bad. Never got around to getting one. I'll have to get one before the next console is released anyway. I'm not missing out on graphics again like I did with my 360.

I think you just need a new TV.

Period.

Any other one will do.

Doesn't even need to be HD. XD


I'm getting one as a graduation present.

Be jealous. :af:


And that, kids, is why we try to avoid ports.

Because they are unnecessarily glitchy. XD

I have no idea why it would freeze....

Well, we got clare to work 100%

well i'm no good with Tabuu lol

i'll figure it out, for now i'll fix the TransN bone.

Preview:

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/622/smompreview.png)

---NOT MY TEXTURE!!!---

The chest, the hip joints, and the lights on the chest are all I have vertexed.

Pretty close so far. Once I get a finished texture on there it will look a lot better. The red isn't purple enough on this texture for one.

EDIT:

Just saw something I messed up on after looking at actual pictures. brb with new preview.

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I got the 360 with my graduation money XD.

Yes.

YES.

XD

Amazing.

Great job on the little light things on her chest. Even though they're just textured on, you can't really tell.

And that face looks great too.

And you're right, the texture isn't quite finished yet. Her Power Suit is a bit more of a dull yellow-green. Though the red part looks pretty good.

Also, her thighs are a bit too thick. /:

Gah.

I'm impressed yet again. :]

Well it's not my texture. The guy never responded saying I could use it. It just looks almost perfect so I'm using it until I finish the model. If he doesn't let me use it as a base, I'll have to piece it together from official textures.

The separate light pieces are still there. They are just tucked all nicely into the middle of the textured light marks.

It's amazing Weyard.

simply amazing.

Theres plenty of closeups of her face to use. If that person doesnt respond just make the face yourself.

They look great. :]

Have you edited the legs yet? Like I said, her thighs are much too wide.

Unless you haven't. In which case, disregard that.

I dont think hes edited arms or legs or helmet. Brawl's design is just weird. Thighs are thick and awkward and the helmet stretches like 3 foot in the back.

I have no idea what they were thinking when they were designing Samus.

I mean really. :srs:

Anyway, I hope Weyard can fix those thighs, because in MOM the are much more slender.

Just look at the pic in the OP.

His design for Samus proves his lunacy. It looks nothing like any of the official designs. It is truly a robotic suit. It is so large and clunky that it seems as though it is several inches thick everywhere.
Samus's suit is only thick in the chest area. The legs look almost skin tight in modern designs.

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New preview.

The angles of the red part of the chest were off. They are mostly correct now.

(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/622/smompreview.png)

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I haven't touched the legs yet. They will be pretty thin.

Look at the picture above, The legs will be thin following the shape of the hips down from the torso.

I'll do them next I guess.

Sakurai just doesnt get the Metroid series at all....
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8678/newcanvasf.th.png)



(We should all use the Mad Anthony face in place of  :srs: from now on)

Damn it looks alot better. and you could probably easily smoothen out those legs. hell i just see alot of bulky polgons that could be flattened out.

Actually, the legs are shaped pretty much perfect if you imagine them without those bubbles on the sides.

It's just.... they had a perfectly good design to go off of from the Prime series.

Why get creative now? >_>

And her chest was completely off. It was way too round.[/rant]

Anyway, the chect does look much better, I hadn't even noticed that.

And as for the legs... good. XD

Not too skinny, I suppose, but definitely much, much skinnier than what they are now.



Let's just make that our avatars.

Everyone who wants to take part in this project has to have that as thier avvy. :af:

Hell nah.

But that is definitely my new srs face from now on.

TROLOLOLOLOLO

 yeah no one would dare wear that. well maybe i would if i wasn't a peachy lover =3

oh yes, i can't wait for this and i'm about to test both of those pacs and motion files see if there are any glitches

When are you going to vertex the legs?

There aren't. :af:

At least, none that I know of. I don't think we have done enough to actually run into problems.

The only one I can think of is the Up Throw, but that has to be fixed via PSA I think.

Look at the run.

Now tell me it doesn't look better.



*waits for you to get warned for spam*

XD

I would wear that avatar like a boss if at least 2 of you did as well.

Starting on the legs now. I had to do some more work on the hip joints. They look much better now too.


Let it be known that Aether is a horrible terrible person for making me take time out of vertexing to finish his work.

Anthony Higgs wishes someone made a moveset for him.


Hurry and finish the legs.

The run looks amazing. it looks very smooth. good job

I'm down. XD

Can't wait for dem thighs.



But what if nobody remembers him?!? D;



Why thank you very much. :]

The top part of the legs are almost finished.

the area below the knee takes a lot longer. It took me over an hour for the Space Pirate's shin-area.

Add the 3-Higgs with fiery eyes to the op as well, for no reason whatsoever.

We'll attract visitors based on our Higg Artwork if nothing else.

I'm guessing they're a pain to patch? /:

You don't have to edit them too severely, I suppose. Just kinda flattent them out and make them pointy.

lol no patching isn't the problem.
I've never had to patch more than twice on Samus. She is by far the easiest character to vertex.

Everything below the knees has tons of vertices and almost everything there will need to be changed. Also it is one of Samus's few parts that requires patching, although it won't be many.

Oh.

Huh.

That's a lot different from Zero Suit Samus, actually. She has almost no vertices on her legs, so they're a pain to vertex.

Yes. I've tried vertexing before. XD

Iv tried vertexing and every time i get pissed and quit. Too long, drawn out and complicated. Id rather animate any day.

I didn't find it too bad, actually.

I would love to give it another shot, if my 3DS trial hadn't expired. >_>

I've been trying to get it via "other means," but... well, you know how that goes.

*sings tiny tim's i'm so happy song in head*

i can't wait for the MOM suit texture.

also, it's funny to see samus use her side smash and see nothing come out lol.

XD

Yeah, it looks a bit weird as of now. But it should look a lot better once a Missile actually comes out.

I should probably be working on the angled smashes.

Oh well. :af:

Top of Legs Preview

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5731/samusr.png)

3DSMAX PREVIEW

Thin and straight. Now I gotta do the sides of them and start on the bottoms of the legs.

well then get should get started gamma ridley...GET STARTED NOW SLAVE, OR ELSE I'LL PUT YOU BACK IN THE RIDLEY CAGE

Hot damn.

That looks muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better.

Also

Someone didn't read the black text thar. :af:



But... I don't wanna..... D;

Blah. I guess I should do SOMETHING.

you don't have to... for now, besides i lost my turnips... i'll find them and when i do... i'll eat them

you don't have to do something you don't wanna do you know.

Go ahead and start on those animations then. This is still going to take another day or two.

I know. XD

I just feel super lazy.

Which isn't out of the ordinary, really.

But I may as well do something productive, instead of sitting here pretending to watch Goldfinger.


Trust me, I've tried. But the torrent was taking forever to download, so I just gave up. Unless there's some way you can.... "help" me.

Why certainly. I'll get started on those. :af:

lol...

i'm still trying to figure out why Samus's Model is freezing over Snakes model. i know it's not the fitsnake... i took both fitsnake and fitsnakemotionetc.

The bottoms of the legs might not be as hard as I thought. I'm having trouble finding a good reference picture of the Other M feet though.

This is the best one I can find and it's just fanart.



(http://cache.alluremedia.com.au/m/k/2010/09/Other-M-1.jpg)


@ Ultra

Make a help topic explaining that. You should get an answer in a day or two.

i'm going to put it over Falco probably.

Her feet aren't too different, I suppose.

If you find it difficult to visualize how to make her boots, just try to make the front part (the part that comes up over her calf) shorter and pointier...?

Maybe?