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Title: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Vyse on October 17, 2011, 10:59:35 PM
Now that the situation is resolved and we can look back at it with clear heads, we understand and can offer much more cohesive information than we could in the midst of the confusion.

The recent slowdown and increase in errors were due to an increase in traffic and a flaw in BrawlVault's RSS. They were not the result of a DDoS attack, and there is nothing wrong with the forum's security. While a DDoS attack did occur, it was small and had no significant impact on forum performance.

We've placed a single ad in the Forum Games board and will soon be placing one on BrawlVault as well. This will fund both a server upgrade and the improvement of BrawlVault, so if you use an ad blocker, please whitelist those areas. Both of these things will improve the 500 error situation. Picano has stated multiple times that BrawlVault is poorly written, and every time he does that he also asks for help or funding to make fixing it possible. Neither has been forthcoming, so we're finally taking matters in our own hands.

Those are the important facts. For details, read on.

On Friday, October 14th, a thread (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=34498.0) discussing the recent increase in 500 errors appeared.  Various causes and concerns were discussed, as were possible ways of alleviating the problem.

In an incredible case of poor timing, this same day saw one of our hacks, Waluigi, featured on various gaming news sites, and the increase in traffic made the errors worse than ever.

Also at this time, a user named SmashHackers, who between all of his alts has been banned from this board several times, launched an ill-conceived DDoS attack on us with a few of his friends. To make it perfectly clear: in the end, this attack had virtually no impact on us whatsoever.

But we didn't know that at the time. All we knew was that we were getting DDoSed, not the scale, so we took appropriate precautions, increasing security and keeping a close eye on the forum error logs.

Due to these precautions, we spotted an inordinate number (more than 200) of users, many of whom had no cause to DDoS us, sending dozens of strange requests to BrawlVault. At this point, we suspected the worst: a botnet. We're not going to say who we suspected as the source, because as it turns out, that wasn't the case.

At this point, I'd like to reiterate something picano has said multiple times since he created BrawlVault himself: its programming is not good.

As it turns out, BrawlVault was behind much of our recent trouble. The cause of the 500 errors is the incredible number of server queries made by the forum, BrawlVault in particular. Also, the more than 200 people who were making suspicious BrawlVault calls were victims not of a botnet but of mistakes in the BV RSS.

High traffic volume is directly related to the 500 errors, as we've always said, but not for reasons of bandwidth limitation; rather, since most people are here just for BrawlVault (check the number of online guests vs. registered users and you'll see the truth of that), the queries become too much for the server to handle and a 500 error occurs.

The two ways to solve this problem are to optimize the forum (especially the Vault) and to upgrade the server.

To that end, a single ad has been placed in every Forum Games topic, at the bottom of the page, and soon there will be one on BrawlVault as well. The proceeds from these ads will fund the aforementioned solutions.

Why those two places? The rationale for BrawlVault should be obvious. For Forum Games, we figured that since its users aren't contributing to the forum's purpose -- hacking Brawl -- and since the board gets so much traffic, they should contribute in other ways.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on October 18, 2011, 12:04:42 AM
ive turned off my adblocker so that the ads will show, but for me specifically i still see your message about how i should turn it off..

ads are annoying sometimes, but if its helping the quality of the server and improves brawlvault, then id be more than happy to deal with the ads.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Puraidou on October 18, 2011, 01:02:09 AM
I see no problem with ads at all, i'll happily see them if it helps KC-MM stay up and running.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Miacis on October 18, 2011, 02:09:00 AM
Vyse's recap summed it up pretty well ... A few little addendums :

- The user "anonymoususer" who registered here to boast about the DDoS attack was most likely one of SmashHackers friends.

- We've lost a few pieces of our ban list. So we might see some old faces in the days to come. Don't hesitate to report them if they cause any trouble, like usual.

- The forum was fully backed up, was upgraded to v. 1.1.15 (yay!), lots of cleaning was done, from the recycle bin and from old locked topics.

ive turned off my adblocker so that the ads will show, but for me specifically i still see your message about how i should turn it off...
Give it some time. Just like you, it took me a bit before the ads showed up, when I removed AdBlock.
Also, some ads seem to not appear at all. Meh.

At least the mini-Vyse is cute.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Ike_Lawliet on October 18, 2011, 06:34:16 AM
We're short on money? I thought the $200 donation left us covered for some time.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: mnsg on October 18, 2011, 07:18:39 AM
Nice to hear that the admins are working to fix up this problem.  Too bad that some of the errors still persist.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: SJS on October 18, 2011, 07:27:34 AM
So no apology for thinking SmashHackers was stealing IPs? I know some people still believe that to be true...


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Miacis on October 18, 2011, 07:49:03 AM
It got kinda cut out in the recap:

Anyways, everything is pretty much clear now. The site should be back to normal. We apologize for exagerating SmashHackers' role in that attack, as he obviously didn't hack into 200 accounts with wizardry. We have misjudged with all the confusion.
But trying to launch a DDoS attack against us, even a weak one, is still illegal, and SmashHackers will recieve a severe sanction for that.


Kinda hard to apologize more than that to someone who tried DDoSing us.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Vyse on October 18, 2011, 07:55:34 AM
So no apology for thinking SmashHackers was stealing IPs? I know some people still believe that to be true...
Ignoring the brief introduction, the first sentence of the post states what happened. If anyone still believes that after we've almost literally smacked them in the face with the truth, they have bigger problems and there's nothing more we can do.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Yosh1Kart on October 18, 2011, 07:56:32 AM
and now i like ads

if it keeps KC-MM up i LOVE ads now


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16 (my opinion nd cmnt)
Post by: AGFanProduction on October 18, 2011, 11:24:33 AM
wow so that is what really happened :0
I'm still confused of why Smashhackers launched an *ill-conceived DDoS attack* to the page?

anyways is good that the site is in a good state now and I hope that SmashHackers receive a sanction for that.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: DAGGAWEIRD on October 18, 2011, 11:48:05 AM
i dont understand what happened cause im a noob at website stuff especially whatever DDoS means

the whole time the site was working good on my computer?


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: ShadowMarth on October 18, 2011, 02:41:37 PM
All i have to say is Well done To all of the Admin's XD
Great job guys XD!


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: SJS on October 18, 2011, 06:12:13 PM
All I wanted was someone to acknowledge that SmashHackers didn't steal IPs and was falsely accused. People had their panties in a bunch and needed clarification on that. Thanks Miacis. Though I see I started an argument in the process. Oh well.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: BabyLuigiOnFire on October 18, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
Wow, this site crashed when I most needed it. Talk about bad luck.

I'm happy now that's up and running again. I haven't been in it for quite awhile, and I want to check out the new hacks made.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Vyse on October 19, 2011, 03:41:28 AM
ive turned off my adblocker so that the ads will show, but for me specifically i still see your message about how i should turn it off..
Do you also have NoScript or something similar? The code to place the ad uses Javascript, so that might be it.

We're short on money? I thought the $200 donation left us covered for some time.
That was to bail us out of an immediate jam. While there may be some left over (I don't know offhand), it's not enough to fund either of the things we need.

Too bad that some of the errors still persist.
Fixing BrawlVault is the main priority. Once that's done, we should see a huge boost in forum performance.

I'm still confused of why Smashhackers launched an *ill-conceived DDoS attack* to the page?
As I understand it, he was mad about being banned and wanted to drive users away from here and to another forum. But we still have BV, and while it has its problems (for now), it has literally no competition. So I'm not sure how that plan was supposed to work.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: StarWaffle on October 21, 2011, 09:17:46 PM
As I understand it, he was mad about being banned and wanted to drive users away from here and to another forum. But we still have BV, and while it has its problems (for now), it has literally no competition. So I'm not sure how that plan was supposed to work.

Challenge Accepted?!


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Vyse on October 21, 2011, 10:57:29 PM
You can't modify the ProBoards code (http://www.proboards.com/tos) to integrate a BV clone into it, so you'd never achieve what BV does without your own host and moddable forum software, and then you'd run into the exact same problem we have unless your server/coding is better. And we're working on both of those, so...


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Allav866 on October 24, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
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Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on October 25, 2011, 10:54:51 AM
You can't modify the ProBoards code ([url]http://www.proboards.com/tos[/url]) to integrate a BV clone into it, so you'd never achieve what BV does without your own host and moddable forum software, and then you'd run into the exact same problem we have unless your server/coding is better. And we're working on both of those, so...


is Picano the only one whos working on the code? or are others helping out too?

im sure its hard because its tough to trust someone with code when they could easily just whisk it away and use it for themselves..


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Miacis on October 25, 2011, 02:01:04 PM
is Picano the only one whos working on the code? or are others helping out too?

im sure its hard because its tough to trust someone with code when they could easily just whisk it away and use it for themselves..
Picano was the only one working on it for, something like a year or so. He recently recieved a help offer from BlackJax recently, so we'll see how this works out. :)


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Vyse on October 26, 2011, 10:47:04 PM
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We appreciate it.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: AGFanProduction on October 27, 2011, 12:29:32 AM
As I understand it, he was mad about being banned and wanted to drive users away from here and to another forum. But we still have BV, and while it has its problems (for now), it has literally no competition. So I'm not sure how that plan was supposed to work.

He was mad about being banned and thats why he sent the attack? Wow that sounds so "inmature" and why he got banned? he was trolling or somthng?

If he shouldn't have sent this attack, Kc-mm would be normal without those annoying 500 and 503 errors, right? Or it was going to happen anyways?



Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Vyse on October 27, 2011, 12:33:00 AM
If he shouldn't have sent this attack, Kc-mm would be normal without those annoying 500 and 503 errors, right? Or it was going to happen anyways?
Those were already happening. Like I said, the attack accomplished nothing significant whatsoever.


Title: Re: Explanation of forum downtime and changes from 10/14-16
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on October 27, 2011, 10:33:15 PM
Picano was the only one working on it for, something like a year or so. He recieved a help offer from BlackJax recently, so we'll see how this works out. :)

i hope it does in the end, one person doing all this programming seems like too much in my book. especially since its being done for free.

also my adblocker seems to have stopped blocking the ads so i can see them now :3