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Title: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on May 27, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
hey i just discovered a way how to make oneslot resize mode (only on afew bonesets or model imports that dont use all model changers bones),
i show you how to do it:

step 1. make sure the chars. you wanted oneslot resize mode for got unused model changers bones before TransN bone like on Ike got the: HaM bone that not many model imports over Ike uses:
(http://i.imgur.com/5Llbn.png)

step 2. make the bone ready for oneslot resize:
the bone model changer most be right before TransN like as IkeĀ“s HaM bone
on that bone you needing to edit the bone flags to be Only: NoTransform
(http://i.imgur.com/FaxUb.png)
needing to look like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/IPn7E.png)

Step 3. resize/edit bone tree:
now right click on TransN bone then click on Add next up:
(http://i.imgur.com/GlT6o.png)
now it should look like this in the bone tree:
(http://i.imgur.com/0JfoL.png)
since HaM bone was anyway the bone before TransN bone it did not chances any bone IDs
now rename HaM bone to anythink else like: Resizemodebone
go in the model preview and then resize the bone to the size you wanted and save

sometimes after you have saved you have to reOpen yours  .Pcs or .pac and do Step 2 again and save it since the bone flags sometimes changes back

this method only works on Unused model changer bones like this one on Ike,model imports that dont use model changers

Video:
[Brawl Hacks] Tutorials: 1-Slot Size Mods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWjCmGgZRE#ws)


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Carnage on May 27, 2012, 09:45:09 AM
do you think this also works with eyeyellowM that almost all the chars have while making the fs eyes still work? since i could ge ride of alot of fitmotions but porbably the fseyes will be visible at all time?


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on May 27, 2012, 09:46:44 AM
do you think this also works with eyeyellowM that almost all the chars have while making the fs eyes still work? since i could ge ride of alot of fitmotions but porbably the fseyes will be visible at all time?
as Long you dont change that many Bone IDs it will work


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Carnage on May 27, 2012, 04:09:52 PM
as Long you dont change that many Bone IDs it will work
dont plan on changing any bone ids well i will try right now with groudon and see if it works

it works on groudon since he doesnt use the horn bones  is there a char with only eye yellowm before transN?


TESTED and it works so you can even recize the char by making everything  being "son" of eyeyellowM and the eyeyellow only activates in fs mode still xD


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on May 27, 2012, 04:33:25 PM
dont plan on changing any bone ids well i will try right now with groudon and see if it works

it works on groudon since he doesnt use the horn bones  is there a char with only eye yellowm before transN?


TESTED and it works so you can even recize the char by making everything  being "son" of eyeyellowM and the eyeyellow only activates in fs mode still xD
i think lucas is one with only eyeyellowM


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Carnage on May 27, 2012, 05:08:21 PM
i think lucas is one with only eyeyellowM
tested on ivy and squirtle and they only have eyeyellow and works  while keeping eyetellow model changer intact xD


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Don Jon Bravo on May 28, 2012, 12:03:50 AM

@carnage:  So this means you can still have the transforming final smash and the one size mod?

also: Wow great discovery mario dk.
you deserve a tutorial writer award.  i couldnt give it to you since im not a moderator.
(http://i.imgur.com/x83yfl.png)


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Carnage on May 28, 2012, 12:36:48 AM

@carnage:  So this means you can still have the transforming final smash and the one size mod?

also: Wow great discovery mario dk.
you deserve a tutorial writer award.  i couldnt give it to you since im not a moderator.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/x83yfl.png[/url])


yes i tested on bulbasuaur and he is smaller and activates the fs eyes on fs mode so we can make size mods of everything that has atleast an eyeyellowM :P


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Don Jon Bravo on May 28, 2012, 12:51:00 AM
yes i tested on bulbasuaur and he is smaller and activates the fs eyes on fs mode so we can make size mods of everything that has atleast an eyeyellowM :P
awesome.


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: StupidMarioFan1 on May 28, 2012, 11:53:10 AM
I wonder if this was the method KnightMario would use, he said he knew how to make a true one-slot without a FitCharacterMotionEct.pac, so I wonder if this is what he ment, I'll update the Babies soon with this if it works. I thought about maybe rigging them to a resized bone, which would also work, but this one should be better, thanks Mariodk for this tutorial. Going to try it right now! :D

Post Merge: May 28, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
yes i tested on bulbasuaur and he is smaller and activates the fs eyes on fs mode so we can make size mods of everything that has atleast an eyeyellowM :P
So Mr. Game & Watch and Olimar might be out of the question? They don't have the EyeYellowM bones, and I'm not sure if either of them have a useless M bone, I know that G&W has tons of M bones for all of his hammers, heads, hands, chair, key, and more. :P

Post Merge: May 28, 2012, 02:59:03 PM
Tested Baby Mario, and I found a little downside to this; Animation glitches. :P
(http://imgur.com/Qnuxr.png)
Back to normal size when grabbed, not sure if we'll ever get past that. :P
(http://imgur.com/cmTqd.png)
Some items are held a little bit weird, don't know if that's fixable.
(http://imgur.com/g8L5k.png)
Doesn't grab an edge correctly.
Baby Mario now has a damage mouth, face and tooth to get rid of the gap with the open mouth, will update him and Baby Luigi with those and the one-slot bone. Baby Luigi will get his mouth at....some point. lol


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Don Jon Bravo on May 28, 2012, 07:57:56 PM
I wonder if this was the method KnightMario would use, he said he knew how to make a true one-slot without a FitCharacterMotionEct.pac, so I wonder if this is what he ment, I'll update the Babies soon with this if it works. I thought about maybe rigging them to a resized bone, which would also work, but this one should be better, thanks Mariodk for this tutorial. Going to try it right now! :D

Post Merge: May 28, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
So Mr. Game & Watch and Olimar might be out of the question? They don't have the EyeYellowM bones, and I'm not sure if either of them have a useless M bone, I know that G&W has tons of M bones for all of his hammers, heads, hands, chair, key, and more. :P

Post Merge: May 28, 2012, 02:59:03 PM
Tested Baby Mario, and I found a little downside to this; Animation glitches. :P
([url]http://imgur.com/Qnuxr.png[/url])
Back to normal size when grabbed, not sure if we'll ever get past that. :P
([url]http://imgur.com/cmTqd.png[/url])
Some items are held a little bit weird, don't know if that's fixable.
([url]http://imgur.com/g8L5k.png[/url])
Doesn't grab an edge correctly.
Baby Mario now has a damage mouth, face and tooth to get rid of the gap with the open mouth, will update him and Baby Luigi with those and the one-slot bone. Baby Luigi will get his mouth at....some point. lol

Those errors are minor microscopic (well maybe not the first one lol) but  the last one happens with other size mods methods too.  i can live with them...
by the way does anyone know if this desyncs wifi?


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on May 28, 2012, 11:34:02 PM
(http://imgur.com/g8L5k.png)that was the main reason for why i did oneslot resize modes on TransN bone but i think its possible to fix it with oneslot animte the new bone too but then you needing a Fitmotionetc.pac but atleast only resize for afew animations and not all

and getting bigger then throwed is normal for any oneslot resize mode


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Carnage on May 29, 2012, 01:01:58 AM
its true he gets the original size when trown you can fix this in psa by unchecking an unknown tough


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: StupidMarioFan1 on June 12, 2012, 12:51:58 PM
Those errors are minor microscopic (well maybe not the first one lol) but  the last one happens with other size mods methods too.  i can live with them...
by the way does anyone know if this desyncs wifi?
That is why I take my time when making one-slot to make it not have the glitch when grabbed (not thrown, the part in some like King K Rule vertex, he is floating above when he is grabbed.) or on a clif, so they aren't floating beneath or above.
that was the main reason for why i did oneslot resize modes on TransN bone but i think its possible to fix it with oneslot animte the new bone too but then you needing a Fitmotionetc.pac but atleast only resize for afew animations and not all
and getting bigger then throwed is normal for any oneslot resize mode
It can be fixed with other bones, its just that the TransN is a bit easier, but it also makes the character not move when someone doesn't use the one-slot motion.
I look for the bone that is used in less aniamtions out of the TransN, XRotN, and YRotN bones so I won't have to edit as many animations.


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: SonicBrawler on June 16, 2012, 08:41:28 AM
when i copy this the exact way, the model explodes in polygons and looks terrible


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on June 16, 2012, 11:22:21 AM
when i copy this the exact way, the model explodes in polygons and looks terrible
i also got same problem on kid naruto but i fixed it by editing the bone flags like it say in this guide


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: SonicBrawler on June 16, 2012, 11:25:35 AM
i have treid on atelast 5 diff imports, and follow this exctlly. i can never get it


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Carnage on June 16, 2012, 01:19:42 PM
when i copy this the exact way, the model explodes in polygons and looks terrible
what models did you tryed? i can garantee this works i tested on several ones already like link ,bowser,pokemons,luigi and they all worked perfectly


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: SonicBrawler on June 16, 2012, 02:10:38 PM
i made a modle import over mario and it failed. also one over sonic jsut to name 2


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Carnage on June 16, 2012, 02:31:35 PM
i made a modle import over mario and it failed. also one over sonic jsut to name 2
mario and luigi are pratically the same so you must be doing something wrong


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Ziia on June 22, 2012, 03:00:42 PM
Wow, this looks really awesome and helpful. However, for some reason, when I tried to do that with sonic, it didn't work. There's only "face expressions","eyeyellowM", and "EyeM" so I tried going with the way Carnage did it, tried moving the TransN under eyeyellowM, but when I preview, it gives me that error + a white picture with a big red X. So then I tried moving both face expression and TransN so that it'll still be in order, but I still got the same results.
I even did the whole "keeping 'no transformation' " on the eyeyellowM but still no luck. What am I doing wrong?

I don't know what to sub for the "unused bone" on sonic if eyeyellowM can't be used..


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: nanobuds on June 24, 2012, 09:14:30 AM
Yo MarioDK... wanna use this?
[Brawl Hacks] Tutorials: 1-Slot Size Mods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWjCmGgZRE#ws)


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: DoctorFlux(Mariodk) on July 13, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
Yo MarioDK... wanna use this?
[Brawl Hacks] Tutorials: 1-Slot Size Mods ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWjCmGgZRE#ws[/url])
sure
i was self planing to make a video Tutorials for this then i have done all my  WIPs i got right now


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: KTH on August 30, 2012, 08:45:06 AM
Thank you very much MarioDK.
Your tutorial is short and epic.


Title: Re: OneSlot resize Mode (without a Fitmotionetc.pac) note: only works on afew chars.
Post by: Segtendo on August 30, 2012, 11:16:24 AM
Such an easy tutorial.
Gave the Groudon import the size mod it came with.
It semi-works for Sonic. If you add the bone tree to "FacePattern," the size mod will work, but he'll be normal size for most animations.