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I told ShadowWolf that making a new thread would be simpler than cleaning the old one.

So yeah, read what's in red, he pretty much summed it up.

Just keep in mind that this isn't a chatroom, so no one word post and try to only post when you have something to contribute or have something constructive to say.

Understand, thanks Segab, I'll try to maintain control and if someone does that, I'll delete report their post

Recolors For Koopa Bros :

00 Black
01 Red
02 Blue
03 Green
o4 yellow
05 White

Aight gotcha

So far, SMBZ Bowser is the next project, and then SMBZ Shadow depending on the poll

as much i want to see Mecha Sonic i dont think there is one in the vault but if i remember somebody was making a custom model him

none is making a custom model for him but i know one has made a model of him (too bad no Download Link):
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs47/f/2009/215/7/3/Mecha_Sonic_v2_0_by_SefirothDB.jpg)
but i was thinking to make Mecha Sonic model over Samus (only a maybe on my future plans)

that looks f-n awesome lol

Damn that looks cool. If MarioDK makes it in the future, I'll back off for now xD. I might make a tiny moveset for now until the good one comes out(Kinda like Galaxy Elites Vegeta until the Original one is released)

i said only model
not moveset

There's one older Mecha Sonic that's a good vertex of Sonic, but I didn't know someone was making a custom one.

Also, If anyone knows a way to get a hold of SephirothDB on Deviantart, then that would be amazing. He's made the most awesome Mecha Sonic model, and he got so into making Mecha, that for his 2nd version, he started over from scratch to make every nook and cranny perfect. If I remember correctly, the model's chest plate thing opens up like the sprite version of Mecha Sonic. I believe he made the lower leg and the shoes two different objects for easy moving too.

EDIT: Oh! that's the model I was talking about! It's awesome!

Oh nvm then, I'll do the moveset then. And probably get help from someone who can PSA well

Samus definitely has the legs for that Mecha Sonic... but PSAing it is gonna be a huge pain.

That said, I could go for a SMBZ Shadow because I don't exactly like the magicalness of the current shadows. My personal preference is melee type of fighters... So I like to see punches and kicks and body attacks and not so much things like Chaos Blasts and what not.  Also with MarioDK revamping SMBZ Sonic soon and SMBZ Mario Shadow could use some love. After Shadow, Bowser most defiantly.

Yeah I agree, Shadow seems like all his attacks has something to do with Chaos. I wanted to make him like Sonic but with a different type of style. There is no need for all those GFX

true but might be good though

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can we make fire SMBZ sonic with the abilty to turn fire sonic?

There's already a good Fire sonic on the vault and I don't think that's possible right now. It might take up a lot of file size because we would have to use two models

too bad that would have been epic

I thought about trying to rig those models over Zelda and Sheik but Bowser Jr and Shadow Mario are gonna be over them so idk. Plus since we are doing SMBZ Bowser and Shadow first, who should Shadow be over, Sonic or DK? I honestly don't think it matters but it would be good to know

well if it was over dk people would still have sonic

Actually, he can go over anyone for a matter of fact except Zelda, Sheik, Bowser, Kirby.

It'd be best to do it over Sonic and port him to another character. Avoid using imported GFX so that the port is clean. Thats how I did Thor.

That said, if you guys want help animating a SMBZ Shadow or Bowser, I might be interested enough to help.

Yeah. I thought about putting Shadow over Marth as a base since Marth can be ported to anyone but I can put him over Sonic instead. SMBZ Shadow we are going to need help animating and Bowser(if his animations don't turn out right.) Thanks for your help though. I'll update you on when we need it. We are working on SMBZ Bowser right now so I'll send you the Moveset idea's. Edit it as you please so the moveset turns out great.

it would be good over any but sonic due to SMBZ sonic ^^
and is bowser done?

Not yet. He won't be done for a while now that I think about it. I'm going to make him really good so it could take a while

yeah it looks good lol

Plus Kagemaru offered help for animations so they should turn out really good

That's good

Anyone know if Bowser is one of the characters that the new Brawl Box doesn't work for or not?

he didn't work for me but I think it worked for Crashout so I'm not sure

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Post Merge: August 03, 2012, 10:55:35 AM

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Btw, I learned how to import stages so now I'm learning how to import characters. So I could be busy for a bit lol. For any progress look beneath my sig :P But other than that. Kagemaru is helping out with Bowser and Shadow so expect the progress to be good ;D

i do and it works fine

Lol flattery :happy:

I'll definitely try to get something presentable. Bowser isn't someone I'm very well versed in. But I'll try.

Alright. Ik you won't disappoint ;D

hey is it possible to make mario and luigi over IC

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=5641 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=5641)

Thanks.

Lol. Mario & Luigi... Good times xD and it looks like Mecha Sonic has a lot of votes.

I actually requested a Sonic and Tails over IC...

You did? lol I never knew. I just thought it would be a good idea

So anyway, back to SMBZ. :srs: Has anyone started making a model for Mecha Sonic? It seems too tedious to recreate SephirothDB's Mecha, but would be so worth it! ;D might have a high vert count, as model-ers call it.

MarioDk said he "Might" make a really good model over Samus, but he said in the later future. So if he doesn't, we will probably use a model on the vault

Someone could make a new vertex over Sonic, with a shiny texture like the Generations Metal Sonic, and maybe a slight size mod so he's Ganondorf-sized. Hmm.......maybe some of the parts from the Gen. Metal Sonic could be used in a custom Mecha model. (arms & legs [not including hands or feet]) I'd try the vertex thing if I had a PC. It would be a nice 1st project.

That would be cool. If you can do that, I'd totally use the model

Well right now I can't, (no computer) but I'll definately try it in the future!  ;)

Haha alright cool. That will start us off. I know this is a bit off topic(Kinda) but what happened to your PC?

I never had a PC ;D That's been my greatest hold-back for years :P

Damn that sux.

Yeah, you don't have to tell me twice :P

I didn't have one for the longest time either, then next thing you know, I'm here on Brawl vault. So when you do get a CPU, make the Mecha Sonic model and we will be good

I will take that challenge! ;D
In the mean-time, what would his moveset be? I thought for his neutral B, he shoot his Machine gun. For his L/R+B he could do the same thing as Samus, but that would be boring. I think he should be more lethal.

Yeah I got you. The Neutral B is a good idea but we could increase the speed for the side b for it to be more lethal

To help me get a feel of what to do for Bowser...

Would you say he's more of a... Combo Oriented type of character in SMBZ or is he still that... Single hit... power hitter character?

Cause I'm leaning towards making him do multiple hits in his attacks... but nothing that'd make him seem 'nimble' just... Faster.

Single hit power type of fighter

Mk... Then he wont be too different from his default moveset.

Were you planing on giving him the on hit cancel system?

YES!!!! A cancel system keeps his power, but still gives him the illusion of high speed from canceling into different moves!

Brilliant!!!

cool

Thats something I needed to know ahead of time xD

That way I can think of moves that'll link well.

What was the order?

Jabs>Tilts>Smashes>Specials? or was it Jabs>Tilts>Specials>Smashes?

It's Jabs>Tilts>Smashes>Special's>Final Smash

Now, what exactly are his moves gonna be?
Maybe this'll help:
SMBZ Battles: Mario Vs Bowser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41uqa2Vp0ek#)

yeah i was just watching that lol  was going to say for one of his taunt he could turn metal

lol that's already an idea we are using

Yeah that's a good idea! Ok, so I was thinking his neutral B should be shooting a big fireball as seen numerous times in the video. but it won't really be a fire"ball" but more a-symmetrical. It would have to look like the one in the actual series :P

I said that already to shadowwolf in his locked topic, so he will turn metal any way.

Down Throw: 24 Seconds

Neutral B: Fire Ball shot

Down Grab: 3:43 Seconds

Forward Grab: Shell Assault. Bowser goes into his shell and slams into the opponent 3 times before sending them flying. Similar to around 4:25

Forward Smash: Chomp? Bowser takes a large bite similar to Wario's Neutral B but more ferocious.

Down Smash: Shell Roll (Think.. Sonic's Down Smash but with Bowser)

Down Special air/ground: Same but you'll be able to adjust the speed you fall in order to feint your opponent. Kudos to the Brawl- team.

If possible, after a while, you'll start flashing and be able to transform into Metal Bowser w/ a taunt.

Final Smash: Fire Blast around 4:27 Maybe?


Thats what I came up with from that video. Moveset subject to change of course. I'm just an animator. The ppl in charge of this can decide on what they want.

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Got ninja'd by 4 posts xD

Edit: BtW, I don't know how to psa individual character floating points. Meanining I don't know how to PSA a fireball. If anyone else knows or knows someone who knows, that'd be helpful when the time comes.

If it can't be done using Bowser's floating poitns, then his fireball will have to be an artificial projectile. An example of which is Cloud's fireball and meteors, or Shadow's Chaos Spear.

That would be cool.

Nice ideas. Everything looks possible, I think I can pull off the artificial fireball maybe.

If its an artificial fire ball. I can do it.

But I don't know how to edit actual projectiles. Bowser's fire is an actual projectile (meaning it can be reflected and what not)  but if his fireball is an artificial one, it wont be able to be reflected and he probably wont be able to move until the fireball has run its course. Much like Ryu's Hadoken

that would be fine, Bowser is a slow character so he has to be strong and precised. So the artificial fireball would be a good ideA

Are we still doing Bowser?

me and kagemaru are doing bowser since you got your own team ;D so we got it

Thats good but I've done the textures so use those.

I can't include it because your not supposed to put two hacks in one

I made that for SMBZ Bowser so thats a real Bummer.

Collab each other and include it in the same download? I don't see the problem.

sure I guess lol

That could work thanks, Kagemoru (sorry If I spelled it wrong).

***Kagemaru lol and yeah it should work. Kagemaru, will you be able to PSA anything I need help with? Since it's your animations, your PSA skills might be very effective to help

I can PSA some stuff. I'm not the best, but I'm fairly quick at it when it comes to Normals. Things like specials take me a while cause I don't exactly know how to code them 100% yet.

But things like hitbox placement, timing, flags, effects that stuff... I can do as I animate. First time messing with a character that needs a model changer though. So I'll have to be careful with that.

Alright that's good. Is it possible for you to PSA the normals while I do the Specials?

100% possible.

Alright Good. SMBZ Bowser and Shadow should turn out pretty well. So how's the animations coming with Bowser?

I've been busy with Sora the passed 3 days. And irl stuff.

But I have a good idea for the down smash. And if it keeps running through my head, I'll have no choice but to do it soon xD

I'll most def. have at least 3 attacks done so that you could put them in the preview thread in the AA section. I'm thinking Fireball, Down Smash and Forward Smash.

Expect those before the end of the week. Also, since its not a totally different character...

He can be PSA'd and still be playable as he goes. Unlike Sora... Who I had to get PSA'd, then tweak the PSA myself to be playable in-game.

Yeah that's good. That's a good thing since Bowser is a original character. For Sora, he does not replicate marth at all so I see where your getting at. Sora is basically a brand new character

Bowser's taking a while lol no rush. I know this Will be awesome xD

I was working on SMBZ Mecha Sonic over Sonic, and he is really hard to PSA. I suggest a model port

Like a port to another character, or a model import?

a model port to another character

yeah that would be cool but who would it be over

Maybe Leon can do it. And would I be able to help you with the project so I don't have to make a complete different one?

Wait, have you made a custom model/vertex, or did you use the one on the vault?

the one in that vault is old but it still looks good to me lol but i think it would be better if u you guys could get a new custom model

I don't think there is a custom model yet so probably one on the vault

Well, when I finally start hacking (not "if". "When"), I wanna make a custom Mecha Sonic, and a few other things. :)

Haha alright. The model is mainly what we need

Well it's still gonna be a while till I start making things, but I'll definately contribute to SMBZ PSA's/models etc. I think I'll try to recreate the one from the picture posted earlier. It's not gonna be easy....not at all... :P

Give it your all, it doesn't have to be perfect. Good luck :D

Thanks. :P And how are the other SMBZ characters coming along? (Shadow, I guess)

Shadow we haven't started but Kagemaru is starting up Bowser.

SMBZ Shadow??? Hmmm sounds intresting :D

SMBZ sonic V2 i think i will fast finish after my Gotenks since for him i almost dont needing to do so much but i have to redo psa work cuz i lost the Fitsonic.pac :(
but i wonder how SMBZ shadow will be since in my option the shadow we got now is fine even for a SMBZ project

Ya shadow is an awesome fighter, I made a hack about shadow before but It got reported for broken DL so i deleted it lol.

Yeah, I thought that instead of just having SMBZ Mario. Luigi, and Sonic, why not add Shadow. They are basically the main charactersJeez, me and Kagemaru wanted to try and release Shadow at the same time, but I guess we will be a little delay

Hm... yeah that might not happen now. I'm trying to bust out Sora as fast as possible. His normals and specials are done but his FS still needs to be done.

Alright, we should try for Shadow soon though so we can at least release it a little after MarioDk. Bowser I believe is still coming first so we should just take our time and then it's Shadow

I'll try. I wont be around much this weekend, and I started my college classes yesterday. That + Sora still needs a bit more work before its complete.

Basically I have to add in his throws and create his Final Smash moves since he Limit Breaks.

What about SMBZ Yoshi? He's also one of the main characters. He can be just as awesome as the others. :P

His awesomness comes from the usage of his tongue... and I'm not sure a lot of that is possible.

Take the gif in your sig for example... a lot of that wont be possible I think. Unless of course his tongue has a couple bones in it.

Then a lot of it is possible.

SMBZ Yoshi is basically like regular Yoshi kind of. I mean, if we made it, it would have some differences but not alot

just the fact that the only changes will be OHC system. The VBrawl yoshi is almost like his SMBZ moveset.

Oh come on, have a little imagination. I mean the only move that should stay the same is his arial ↓+A. his down B would be more like SMBZ Mario's. He could actually have a useful ↑+B for once! And his tongue could be a major asset for him. He's capable of being a better fighter than Shadow!

Yoshi is amazing. :srs:

Idk about being better than shadow but I agree. The tougue thing seems hard though

its not better than shadow! But it did survive a lot of damage from Mecha sonic, but shadow could stand againts him for a long while i think, since he did survive a long fall almost from the moon to the Earth. If you played the shadow the hedgehog game. I Think yoshi would be able to beat the hell out of knuckles since maybe thats the reason they didn't put him or tails in the picture. Yoshi used his egg roll many times and his thung throw + many of the a attacks of VBrawl.

The ones who deserves a SMBZ moveset now is Mecha Sonic and maybe bowser and shadow. Shadow will just be a spam hack and bowser..... Meh! He did one fight againts Mario

Agreed, in the SMBZ series, Knuckles, Tails, Rouge, Omega and others all died by Mecha Sonic and didn't even put a fight up. Yoshi lasted a while, but was defeated. And later in the storyline, when Mecha Sonic had a couple emeralds, Shadow and the other's lasted.

Shadow would beat Yoshi if they fought

I was talking about a Brawl PSA, not the actual series. :srs:

Lol I think it would be the same results xD

so I was brainstorming some stuff to do for bowser... I was thinking about changing his run from his slide crap... to... Shell Roll...

Where he basically speeds up that whole process by just rolling on  his shell like a weel. Yeah... his shell isn't exactly perfectly round but meh...

Thoughts?

That sounds good. I don't like Brawl's Bowser run at all. I have a running animation of him but your idea sounds better so do that

That gives me an idea. You could do his shell ball roll thing from M&L:BIS, although, i'd recommend the Galaxy 1 style. This might be better for an attack while running though.

Dash Attack? Sounds good. If I get to SMBZ Yoshi I will add some stuff. But Kagemaru is doing Shadow and Bowser and I think that's it

Mecha Sonic is indeed the one who need most a SMBZ moveset
cuz bowser just got 1 fight and as i can see it will mainly be brawl bowser with OHC system
same for yoshi as on bowser
same for shadow as on bowser/yoshi cuz my shadow over DK or sdo0m´s is also almost SMBZ just needed OHC
luigi needs a better one with these powerups here:
raccon/Tanooki(raccon always and tanooki on some moves but its in the same mode) and not cape cuz mario got it,Fire and shell(maybe) mainly thinking on filesize on adding all these powerups
that was my idea of a SMBZ luigi

or these guys here needs a PSA:
(http://www.models-resource.com/custom_edited/custommariostuff/axemrangersbrawl_icon.png)
someone have uploaded the models of them too:
http://www.models-resource.com/custom_edited/custommariostuff/sheet/4436 (http://www.models-resource.com/custom_edited/custommariostuff/sheet/4436)

I have a lot of ideas for SMBZ Shadow so he will be unique. Bowser has some stuff from SMBZ but not all. And Yoshi Is pretty accurate already

just make SMBZ shadow over Sonic first
so i see if it is possible to port him over DK
since shadow PSA will be easyer to make over Sonic first
i can easy port him to DK later
unless you know yours idea is possible(mainly thinking on "B" attacks)

the B attacks will be possible. I have another little secret of mine that Leon Exodio figured out. So Shadow will be the real deal

lol

Will it be possible to make them look more like the SMBZ sprites? (larger body) It would have to be custom, right?

Maybe but i would psa them if someone rigged them for me

Progress will pick up shortly after Sora is done. Sorry guys I'm only human. I'll figure out how to get passed that one day :af2:

Passed Human? xD and yeah take your time. Your great at animating so waiting is a virtue lol

your still doing SMBZ Bowser right? Can I still help I've learned to to PSA and make models?

PSA help is always good to have. Lord knows I don't like doing both T_T

Anyway... laptop is fixed. I can go back to Bowser.

cool

Uh, Sonny, I'm going to PSA this one. Don't worry about it

Hmm so im guessing yall still doing bowser rite?

yeah i think...

Yeah we are

Did you get around to PSAing those animations I sent you? I had done everything on the list besides the down b and the FS

is this finished?

Is it possible to edit how Bowser hits the screen if he gets hit up? He could smack into the screen and slide down like in episode 1. (or 2...???)

No... If you notice, they are still in their falling animation, they just bump the screen. They don't look like they were effected by hitting the screen at all...

aww. oh well :P lol

I think thats not a very important detail Xd...

yeeeeeeaaahhh......so how's this going right now?

Just a little FYI isn't this thread like dead already (since August 23)

damn humans.....

...still good ideas...

oh well. in about a year, i'll take on my own smbz project....

but for now, i'll just browse the forums...

I think we've all givin up on this already for the past 4 months


i just don't want anyone here to get warned for nercroposting :-\

whatever.

*leaves*