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Title: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Rosetta-Hime on February 02, 2014, 08:38:21 AM Well, we have all come so far to make Brawl what it is now. What with the clone engine recently released, and and just other amazing things. When Smash 4 comes out, it's kinda like we have to start all over. Starting small at first. Maybe a texture here, a vertex there. And it just kinda seems disappointing. If people decide to start to hack Smash 4, then we have to start all over again. Now I know people are still gonna play brawl and enjoy the game, but seriously.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Chaos_Knight on February 02, 2014, 08:47:45 AM But the question is, is it possible hack Wii U games at all? The Wii U has been out for 2 years now and there hasn't been unique hacks to it. Yes, Wii hacks can work but I don't count that.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on February 02, 2014, 08:56:59 AM What's this boner about moving on with modding games?
Have you learned NOTHING of other games? Look at Doom, the active modding community for that is STILL going strong to this day! Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Ultraxwing on February 02, 2014, 08:59:02 AM But the question is, is it possible hack Wii U games at all? The Wii U has been out for 2 years now and there hasn't been unique hacks to it. Yes, Wii hacks can work but I don't count that. If it doesn't then Brawl will get more attention, maybe more PC related ports, then the quality goes up. then modding for it might get better. maybe some SMash4 inspired stuff.this can go one of two ways 1.If Smash4 is moddable. it'll take 4 years or so to do what we did here. 2.if unmoddable. Brawl gets more modding attention. either way it'll take quite a while for Brawl to die on modding, What's this boner about moving on with modding games? Have you learned NOTHING of other games? Look at Doom, the active modding community for that is STILL going strong to this day! LC-DDM has the biggest point. take games like Homeworld 2, Starcraft, Warcraft III, etc. some of these really old games from the 1990's to 2004 genre still have the strongest modding community. so the odds of Brawl dying is extremely low. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: BlueBrain on February 03, 2014, 04:46:48 AM it will just fall in coma when smash 4 comes out, i think after some time the comunity shall come back, i mean, we have a clone engine that fully works, and even gives the possibility to make special characters designed for the clone engine, like transforming characters...
so im with LC here. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Kyouma on February 03, 2014, 10:57:29 AM What's this boner about moving on with modding games? Or GTA SA Mods :v (I actually take some mods from there for my own imports)Have you learned NOTHING of other games? Look at Doom, the active modding community for that is STILL going strong to this day! IMO I wouldn't move to wii U, and I doubt many people really would like to move to Smash bros U and start from 0 as you said, we can see that through the "wii U styled" hacks Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Yuuki Terumi on February 03, 2014, 01:05:33 PM If we are ever going to mod Smash 4, it will be a sense of defeat to me. I mean, if you think about it, what will be the point of having possible DLC then for Smash 4, or the purpose of unlockables, etc.
I think the Wii U doesn't need to be modded at all. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Segtendo on February 03, 2014, 01:44:16 PM LC-DDM has the biggest point. take games like Homeworld 2, Starcraft, Warcraft III, etc. some of these really old games from the 1990's to 2004 genre still have the strongest modding community. so the odds of Brawl dying is extremely low. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on February 04, 2014, 06:16:46 AM Or GTA SA Mods :v (I actually take some mods from there for my own imports) I definitely know what you mean. The japanese have a thing for mixing GTA with Touhou. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Eternal Yoshi on February 04, 2014, 06:31:56 AM Just pointing out that the Wii U hasn't been modded and won't be anytime soon.
There isn't enough interest to warrant such a thing, though I think a month of playing smash 4 will change that. I think Brawl will live on in it's mods. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Kyouma on February 04, 2014, 09:57:09 AM I definitely know what you mean. The japanese have a thing for mixing GTA with Touhou. Well, there are actually 2 people who makes touhou mods for GTA (Daisuke and Basilico); I won't deny that is also one of my influences, they are just 2 people but they has made almost all the Touhou characters (if not all of them already).Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on February 04, 2014, 11:33:53 AM I actually prefer that guy that did the mod that let you fastload.
Oh and the ragdoll one, though it's so much ragdoll as it is "melt into the floor", but that's neither here nor there. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Ganon-Punch on February 04, 2014, 12:37:32 PM I dont think It will die soon. Alot of people call it "3d Mugen" and the community is growing everyday especially wiht Project M around. And they do have a point. People are still modding games like Oblivion, Super Mario World and SM64. And If you look at how MUGEN is today compared to how it used to be when it first got popular. It is crazy. Its not the same play-as-anyone fighting game it used to be.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Sharky on February 07, 2014, 08:14:00 PM If anything it will spike interest in this site. I'm pre-ordering the new smash bros. game ASAP, People poo-poo the Wii U but I am loving it and can't wait to see what games come out in the future.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LlamaJuice on February 07, 2014, 09:29:44 PM I left a Halo 1 modding team to join this site and work on a mod.
Old games are just as fun to mod as new games hahaha. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: SharpHackz200 on February 08, 2014, 02:22:37 AM IF ssb4 can actually be hacked, then people will just attempt to import or copy everything from the game to ssbb. ^-^
So I don't really think ssbb hacking community won't really stop. Look at Brawl Vault......... There's already some characters that looks like they were just imported from the sm4sh bros. :D (specially DR. Wily's Castle) There may be some times when KC-MM is empty but I'm sure it won't be a long time. And also like what a GOOD friend told me :( Not everyone has a WII U, so some people might just stick to hacking brawl than to spend lots of money on a WII U just to play the game. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Large Leader on February 08, 2014, 07:53:49 AM I previously came from a site that used to have a community that modded Command and Conquer, Lord of the Rings: Battle For Middle Earth (1, 2, and it's expansion) and then... something else. Don't quite remember.
But I went back and I saw that the same old people were there, along with a bunch of new ones. It's actually grown since I've left. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: ABloodyCanadian on February 08, 2014, 09:14:09 AM I believe the story behind having the WiiU not being modded yet was because the team that made the Homebrew Channel knew that people would want it for Piracy. Could be wrong though.
Course, somebody else could do it. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Daveybird on February 08, 2014, 01:00:43 PM You know me, I'll be the first one to bring up a lot of examples of this in the Sim Racing community. There's NASCAR Heat, which was released in 2000, and is still going strong today thanks to moddability. And the now-defunct Ratbag's Dirt Track Racing 2, people are still churning out mods for that, and still has a lot of active leagues.
NASCAR Racing 2003 Season is similar, even though you can't really change the physics to match certain cars. Which means Indy Cars don't go faster than NASCARs, Street Stocks don't go slower than NASCARs, and Dirt Cars don't slip and slide like they do in real life and in other mods/games. Moddability increases the longevity of games by 10 years or more, as people can update them with new rosters, content, etc, and I think Brawl will be the go-to Smash Bros game for modding for years to come. I still am probably getting the new Smash Bros Wii U game, since Bowser can kick and moves more humanlike in that game, and I'm wondering how his voice will sound. Will it stay as sound effects like previous Smash games? Or will it be his human voice from Mario games since 2002? That is the question. And the latter seems more fitting with his new enthusiastic air he's got in SSB4. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Tyshy on February 13, 2014, 10:27:55 PM IF ssb4 can actually be hacked, then people will just attempt to import or copy everything from the game to ssbb. ^-^ I agree and plus ssb4 wouldn't have too many characters so we can stick to brawl hacking to have as many characters as we won't with the clone engineSo I don't really think ssbb hacking community won't really stop. Look at Brawl Vault......... There's already some characters that looks like they were just imported from the sm4sh bros. :D (specially DR. Wily's Castle) There may be some times when KC-MM is empty but I'm sure it won't be a long time. And also like what a GOOD friend told me :( Not everyone has a WII U, so some people might just stick to hacking brawl than to spend lots of money on a WII U just to play the game. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Yuuki Terumi on February 14, 2014, 12:40:32 AM IF ssb4 can actually be hacked, then people will just attempt to import or copy everything from the game to ssbb. ^-^ ...I just hope they don't. I hope I'm not the only one that thinks that this is wrong, if they manage to do so. :( Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: SharpHackz200 on February 14, 2014, 01:57:56 AM ...I just hope they don't. I hope I'm not the only one that thinks that this is wrong, if they manage to do so. :( That's what I thought at first when I saw people hacking SSBB. Why do you think it's wrong??? Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on April 13, 2014, 07:28:17 PM That's what I thought at first when I saw people hacking SSBB. Why do you think it's wrong??? I mean come on. Then whats the point in having a new version of the game if your going to put it in the old version?Just seems like a waste of time and effort to do so. Even if you just import the models. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Mansta8 on April 13, 2014, 10:09:53 PM ^ I'm perfectly fine if people import non-player models from Smash4, but most of the character models are so similar to what we have now there's no point.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on April 13, 2014, 11:53:44 PM Actually only the people who were there before Ssb4 (64-brawl) are not ok to import. I dont mind new models (as long as we didnt make the exact same one before launch, which i haven't seen so...were good for now.)
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Carnage on April 14, 2014, 02:27:39 AM ppl forget if ssb4 is moddable then im sure our talented programers will make some sort of converter so we can atleast use the models and animations in ssb4 which would be preety sweet, im preety sure psas wont work but if we can use the models and animations remading the psa is the least of our problems imo.So not everything would be lost in the transiction.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: KingImpris on April 14, 2014, 07:50:05 AM We'll the wii u hackers are beginning http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=773966 (http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=773966) I'll miss ssbb hacking but if ssb4 gets hacked the textures custom models will be higher HD
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on April 14, 2014, 09:17:56 AM What's this boner about moving on with modding games? Have you learned NOTHING of other games? Look at Doom, the active modding community for that is STILL going strong to this day! ^Because apparently people necro a thread but forget to read the posts from before. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Large Leader on April 14, 2014, 09:20:03 AM ^Because apparently people necro a thread but forget to read the posts from before. Wait, that isn't how you necro? Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on April 14, 2014, 09:25:37 AM Wait, that isn't how you necro? I'm not a master of the dark arts, so I don't necro. :c Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Sharky on April 20, 2014, 03:18:17 PM I'm sure a spike is coming soon when people play the Wii U game, it will make people try to copy move-sets and hitspots ect.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: kanjaroo on April 21, 2014, 10:16:29 PM Interesting. However, here's my take on it. Wii U's don't have Gamecube Controller compatability, right? I don't want that game then. Smash Bros. 4 doesn't warrant a console purchase for me. I know there might be plenty of great Nintendo games on the Wii U- but me, and several of my friends, don't like what Nintendo has become in it's modern age. We like the classics- Project M makes Brawl hacking so nice because it brings us back to the classics. Personally, in fact, I don't trust that Nintendo has the right idea nailed with this upcoming Smash as well. I'll likely not even play it. Maybe play it once or twice at a friend's house for the fresh experience, but I feel like the game itself won't be the fun I'm looking for. The online interactions seems nice- but I'm sure that'll just turn in to League of Legends where the only goal for ppl is to exploit the best characters to increase their rankings. If the game isn't balanced, then no new features are worth anything. I'd like to have a Smash to fall back on in case Smash 4 is a failure. Also, Smash 4 might be based on files from Brawl. If so, adding hacks might be a lot easier. Just my thoughts...
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Carnage on April 22, 2014, 12:05:32 AM Interesting. However, here's my take on it. Wii U's don't have Gamecube Controller compatability, right? I don't want that game then. Smash Bros. 4 doesn't warrant a console purchase for me. I know there might be plenty of great Nintendo games on the Wii U- but me, and several of my friends, don't like what Nintendo has become in it's modern age. We like the classics- Project M makes Brawl hacking so nice because it brings us back to the classics. Personally, in fact, I don't trust that Nintendo has the right idea nailed with this upcoming Smash as well. I'll likely not even play it. Maybe play it once or twice at a friend's house for the fresh experience, but I feel like the game itself won't be the fun I'm looking for. The online interactions seems nice- but I'm sure that'll just turn in to League of Legends where the only goal for ppl is to exploit the best characters to increase their rankings. If the game isn't balanced, then no new features are worth anything. I'd like to have a Smash to fall back on in case Smash 4 is a failure. Also, Smash 4 might be based on files from Brawl. If so, adding hacks might be a lot easier. Just my thoughts... you can just buy a mayflash adapter and you can make your gamecube work from the wiimote like the classic controller problem solved ...saying your not even gonna play ssb4 becuase it doesnt have gamecube controller is ridiculous lol Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Miacis on April 22, 2014, 03:01:17 PM Melee is a classic?
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on April 22, 2014, 05:05:20 PM Wii U's don't have Gamecube Controller compatability, right? I don't want that game then. ...the amount of stupidity in this logic is fantastic. "COMPATIBILITY OF A CONTROLLER FOR A CONSOLE RELEASED IN 2001 DOESN'T EXIST IN THE NEXT GENERATION OF THIS COMPANY'S CONSOLE, THEREFORE I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS COMPANY WITH THE PURCHASE OF A GAME". Go ahead, people, read that [censored] twice - even I'm having trouble understanding this mindset. But I wouldn't worry too much about it either. There are still a good number of people that don't like change either - so, like Carnage said, you can just get an adaptor to get your GCN controller working on the Wii U, instead of - perish the thought - using the UPro Controller. Quote Smash Bros. 4 doesn't warrant a console purchase for me. I know there might be plenty of great Nintendo games on the Wii U- I'd hold out on waiting for Nintendo-specific games on the Wii U. Currently there's a grand total of 9 Ninty-developed games, out of which 1 is an HD remake and 1 is casual garbage. Don't let it stop you though, there's a lot more games that are good without being dev'd by Ninty. Quote We like the classics- Project M makes Brawl hacking so nice because it brings us back to the classics. ...I'm with Miacis on this - Melee was a classic? Scratch that, P:M was a classic? I wasn't aware hacking a game to turn it into what is pretty much a total conversion suddenly makes it a classic. And oooh, I get it now. P:M is what makes Brawl hacking nice. Hahaha, and here I was thinking that Brawl hacking came before it, but it turns out that P:M was what created Brawl hacking in the first place. Silly me. r) Quote Personally, in fact, I don't trust that Nintendo has the right idea nailed with this upcoming Smash as well. I'll likely not even play it. Maybe play it once or twice at a friend's house for the fresh experience, but I feel like the game itself won't be the fun I'm looking for. Yeah, combining the best of both the casual and the competitive worlds seems like not the right idea of fun. We should keep both parties eternally feuding for no good reason. Quote The online interactions seems nice- but I'm sure that'll just turn in to League of Legends where the only goal for ppl is to exploit the best characters to increase their rankings. I'm pretty sure it doesn't work the way you think it works. Much less when you can only use custom movesets when you're with friends. Plus that kind of already happens all the time in all the other online games. LoL or Smash 4 doesn't suddenly make it special. Quote I'd like to have a Smash to fall back on in case Smash 4 is a failure. You have three Smashes to fall back on. Well, really just one and a half considering your earlier statement, but still. Quote Also, Smash 4 might be based on files from Brawl. If so, adding hacks might be a lot easier. Just my thoughts... Do you have any evidence to corroborate this? Y'know, back it up? Show your work? Or maybe you just automagically have a friend's cousin's brother's uncle who works in the exact office that Sakurai is developing Smash 4 on as a janitor, and who also sends you tip-top secret images of characters and stages that you can't show because then your friend's cousin's brother's uncle would be fired? Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Segtendo on April 22, 2014, 05:22:54 PM Are we still hailing Melee as "da greatest smash eva"?
Yes. It was good. Every Smash has been good. Interesting. However, here's my take on it. Wii U's don't have Gamecube Controller compatability, right? I don't want that game then. Smash Bros. 4 doesn't warrant a console purchase for me. I know there might be plenty of great Nintendo games on the Wii U- but me, and several of my friends, don't like what Nintendo has become in it's modern age. We like the classics- Project M makes Brawl hacking so nice because it brings us back to the classics. Personally, in fact, I don't trust that Nintendo has the right idea nailed with this upcoming Smash as well. I'll likely not even play it. Maybe play it once or twice at a friend's house for the fresh experience, but I feel like the game itself won't be the fun I'm looking for. The online interactions seems nice- but I'm sure that'll just turn in to League of Legends where the only goal for ppl is to exploit the best characters to increase their rankings. If the game isn't balanced, then no new features are worth anything. I'd like to have a Smash to fall back on in case Smash 4 is a failure. Also, Smash 4 might be based on files from Brawl. If so, adding hacks might be a lot easier. Just my thoughts... This is such narrow minded thinking.Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: kanjaroo on April 22, 2014, 11:11:35 PM you can just buy a mayflash adapter and you can make your gamecube work from the wiimote like the classic controller problem solved ... saying your not even gonna play ssb4 becuase it doesnt have gamecube controller is ridiculous lol I didn't expect a lot of criticism lol. yea i was joking on the controller part. shoulda thrown a lol in there or something. the main point I was trying to make guys is that I saw Nintendo make its turn into the next generation of consoles and I didn't like its direction. I liked what it was before. I'm not the only one that thinks it, (maybe, the only one of these forums from above evidence) but mods allowing me to customize brawl gave me a better feel for what I was looking for in this game. More fun. The truth is, there's no guarantee Smash 4 is gonna be all it's hyped up to be when it hasn't even been released. I think its best to keep modding brawl in this community until we're sure that there is something better out there. Even if Smash 4 is worth more attention, I'm sure the Brawl hacking community won't burst into flames. I know ppl who bought Brawl but stopped playing it after the first year out of preference for Melee. Now to respond to LC-DDM: ...the amount of stupidity in this logic is fantastic. "COMPATIBILITY OF A CONTROLLER FOR A CONSOLE RELEASED IN 2001 DOESN'T EXIST IN THE NEXT GENERATION OF THIS COMPANY'S CONSOLE, THEREFORE I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS COMPANY WITH THE PURCHASE OF A GAME". Go ahead, people, read that [censored] twice - even I'm having trouble understanding this mindset. I pretty much summed it up in that word block up there^^I'd hold out on waiting for Nintendo-specific games on the Wii U. Currently there's a grand total of 9 Ninty-developed games, out of which 1 is an HD remake and 1 is casual garbage. Don't let it stop you though, there's a lot more games that are good without being dev'd by Ninty. That's respectable. I'd say I'm doing the same cuz the only thing I've seen that I've wanted was Pikmin 2....I'm with Miacis on this - Melee was a classic? ...I think Melee's a classic.... it's honestly hard for me comprehend that ppl are contradicting me on that. I grew up with Melee. It's my favorite fighting game... I loved Project M cuz I felt it took skill, like Melee. I honestly didn't care much for Brawl with time. I was great at it though. I was a Game & Watch main and won 2 tournaments. You would think I'd love Brawl. But, when I played it with my friend with whom I was equally skilled, all I would hear is him complaining about how over-powered and spontaneous Game & Watch was. That Brawl's different design allowed for certain characters to be more advantageous and Brawl was less strategic fighting and more exploitation of specific moves with high knockback and large hitboxes. And, to an extent, he was right. Brawl WAS different. I'd have a lot harder of a time beating him in melee. If ppl kept attributing my winnings to the fact that I used "overpowered" characters- then the game just wasn't fun. Eventually, my friends would only play if it was 2 against me or me and some guy/girl that lacks skill against 2 normal brawl players. I liked Project:M cuz it leveled the playing field to that of melee's quick thinking, combos, and strategy. It made the game more of what it used to be competitively and that's why I said it conjured a classic feel.Also, I knew about Brawl hacking long before Project M. I remember Elite Smash Hackers making Lucas look like Jimmy Neutron and freaking out. I know the customization was a great aspect of Brawl hacking- but I don't feel its as much of a reason to downgrade from Smash 4 as a complete transformation such as Project M is. Plus that kind of already happens all the time in all the other online games. LoL or Smash 4 doesn't suddenly make it special. What I say is easy enough to understand and I stand by it. I feel like online ranking is a bad concept in general- something ppl will either not care about or care too much about by making their focus having a higher rank- not having fun.You have three Smashes to fall back on. Maybe this is just me- but I think Brawl is the best Smash to fall back on. Why? Because this community's made it Play-doh. This game can be the most of what u want it to be- unless u want a graphics downgrade... and nostalgia isn't my first priority with a multiplayer game. I, personally, like graphics to be the best they can be and that's another one of the many reasons I prefer Project:M to Melee. And lastly, I said "might". Twice. I was just trying to be hopeful. This is so long and random I feel like those guys that post unnecessary youtube comments. All in all. I'll stick to Brawl. I don't think the Smash franchises releases are something worth getting hyped about anymore. I'm not the only one... Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Large Leader on April 23, 2014, 08:36:14 AM competitiveness != classic
What makes something classic is it's timelessness. So that whenever you pull it out, it's always fresh and refreshing to play (or read, watch, whatever). In my opinion going the whole "No items, FD, Fox Only" deal with my friends doesn't classify the game as a classic. Instead, having fun with everyone, no matter how stupid our picks are makes it a classic. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Carnage on April 23, 2014, 09:21:18 AM so you come to a brawl hacking website and expect to find ppl that arent hyped for ssb4 and you want them working on ssbb becuase without ever playing it your saying the game aint even worth the buy?
you say you dont like where nintendo is headed into , i sure like it over the wii for real since on the wiiu we finaly got ride of the mandatory crappy motion controlls that ruined manny games for me so im happy even if the main controller is a huge tablet i wont have to swing stuff around in every game that doesnt bother to make compatibility for other controllers. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on April 23, 2014, 02:07:46 PM Remember at E3 2011 when they first showed the WiiU?
People actually thought it was a Wii add-on because they didnt properly show the damn thing. It makes me wonder if they really do care about there "new gen console". I mean i dont want to play a tablet while watching the Tv. That should be separate or not even evolved with the console. i sure like it over the wii for real since on the wiiu we finaly got ride of the mandatory crappy motion controlls that ruined manny games for me so im happy even if the main controller is a huge tablet i wont have to swing stuff around in every game that doesnt bother to make compatibility for other controllers. I agree with Carnage. It's very different and fresh to see a new style of control, but its too ridiculous. Two screens to keep an eye on? Yeah, ill just stick to a aGameCube controller when i play WiiU games.Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Velen on April 23, 2014, 03:52:07 PM Remember at E3 2011 when they first showed the WiiU? People actually thought it was a Wii add-on because they didnt properly show the damn thing. It makes me wonder if they really do care about there "new gen console". I mean i dont want to play a tablet while watching the Tv. That should be separate or not even evolved with the console. I agree with Carnage. It's very different and fresh to see a new style of control, but its too ridiculous. Two screens to keep an eye on? Yeah, ill just stick to a aGameCube controller when i play WiiU games. Uh. No. The point wasn't to watch TV while playing a game, the point was you being able to play a game while others watch TV. Y'know. So you don't have to be forced to quit if you don't have your own TV. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: kanjaroo on April 23, 2014, 05:48:41 PM so you come to a brawl hacking website and expect to find ppl that arent hyped for ssb4 and you want them working on ssbb becuase without ever playing it your saying the game aint even worth the buy? you say you dont like where nintendo is headed into , i sure like it over the wii for real since on the wiiu we finaly got ride of the mandatory crappy motion controlls that ruined manny games for me so im happy even if the main controller is a huge tablet i wont have to swing stuff around in every game that doesnt bother to make compatibility for other controllers. Yes and I never said that. Okay, they went from a beautiful controller that everyone got used to to 2 remote motion sensor pieces and then a remote tablet. Hm. I think I'll just stick to what makes the most sense and is the most convenient. Remember at E3 2011 when they first showed the WiiU? People actually thought it was a Wii add-on because they didnt properly show the damn thing. It makes me wonder if they really do care about there "new gen console". I mean i dont want to play a tablet while watching the Tv. That should be separate or not even evolved with the console. I agree with Carnage. It's very different and fresh to see a new style of control, but its too ridiculous. Two screens to keep an eye on? Yeah, ill just stick to a aGameCube controller when i play WiiU games. I feel like they changed so much for not enough reasons. It was overall better the way it was. You can give something a fresh and new style without "fixing" a bunch of things that aren't even broken. Uh. No. The point wasn't to watch TV while playing a game, the point was you being able to play a game while others watch TV. Y'know. So you don't have to be forced to quit if you don't have your own TV. I never got that. Why put so much effort into making a game console compatible with a certain real world conflict? There are other alternatives for that issue in the first place... First, you could get a new TV. The best solution- obviously expensive but ppl with extra money would rather get a new tv for a great console than keep one tv for a console with a weird design. While cheaper, they wouldn't enjoy the console as much so is the price saving worth? Second, just patience. Video games aren't our only means of recreation. Sure we love them, but that doesn't mean we should compromise a good design to play it 24/7... Also, why compartmentalize console games, when Nintendo has such a large line of portable games in the first place. I just don't get it. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Carnage on April 24, 2014, 04:28:55 AM kanjaroo your problem seems to be the controllers ... ever since the previous gen all controlers are wireless on every console so saying remote this and that is pointless, no one will revert to the wired ones, second you can buy a piece that costs 10 dol and use you gc controller that you are so acustomed to and are afraid to loose it costs you 10 bucks no one is asking you to buy a new controler just a pice to fit on the button part of the wiimote its that simple 10 bucks on ebay or amazong and they ship worldwide.
Second the wiiu has its own controller called the wiiu pro controller wich works amazingly and handles preety good, your just afraid of changing controllers then buy the damn adapter since your reasoning for the wiiu ssb4 not being even worthy is the controller most of all... and that is stupid when you can use classic controller, gc controller with adapter, wiiu por controller and more, every of those 3rd party controllers will also work since they mimic pro controller or classic anyway. Theres no reasoning to wine about the controller when you can buy a dman 10 bucks adapter for gc to wiiu jesus. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: kanjaroo on April 24, 2014, 12:43:12 PM My problem wasn't with the controllers. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because it made for a good example for how wonky Nintendo's design has gotten. Never knew about the pro controller though. If it doesn't come up to a ridiculous amount of money to get the console, game, and make my Wii U's design revolve around Smash, I'll consider buying it. If so, hacked brawl is only a few steps down imo.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Carnage on April 24, 2014, 01:20:22 PM My problem wasn't with the controllers. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because it made for a good example for how wonky Nintendo's design has gotten. Never knew about the pro controller though. If it doesn't come up to a ridiculous amount of money to get the console, game, and make my Wii U's design revolve around Smash, I'll consider buying it. If so, hacked brawl is only a few steps down imo. where i live the wiiu pro controller is actually cheaper than a wii remote with motion plus incorporated, it costs the same as any controller for any console between 40 and 50 euros here not sure about the prices on the rest of the world. the wiiu pro controller has been released since preety much day one and it works amazingly once you get used to hit better than the gc controller imo since the second analog stick is ten times better than the c stick for most games http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2012/06/Wii-U-Pro-Controller1.jpg (http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2012/06/Wii-U-Pro-Controller1.jpg) Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Large Leader on April 24, 2014, 01:40:56 PM Never knew about the pro controller though. Well, there's the problem Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on April 25, 2014, 12:59:46 AM My problem wasn't with the controllers. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because it made for a good example for how wonky Nintendo's design has gotten. That's something anyone can realize about Nintendo. Every one knows that Nintendo is on a roll with there "original" designs. The WiiU to me is just a well rounded wii with a higher graphics capability. I do give some credit for them to move the D pad and buttons of the Pro controller to the bottom part. Some people hate that concept, but i actually like that design. Sadly not enough for me to use one. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on April 25, 2014, 10:03:28 AM WARNING!! A HUGE BATTLESHIP WALL OF TEXT IS APPROACHING FAST. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on April 25, 2014, 10:11:57 AM WARNING!! A HUGE BATTLESHIP WALL OF TEXT IS APPROACHING FAST. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Miacis on April 25, 2014, 10:31:12 AM Wow. That's alot of text :>.>: Yes. We certainly needed your input to notice that. .-.Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Never Again on April 26, 2014, 01:07:48 AM I don't think the wiiU pad is that bad. I use it every i play Pikmin and its really easier to use than the remotes.
Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Sharky on May 12, 2014, 09:48:49 AM I love the Wii U pad, for how huge it is, its surprisingly light and ergonomic, The pro controller is nice too. Nintendo takes chances, kudos for that, PS4 and XBOX 1 play it safe and in my opinion it makes the experience stale, yeah they have stronger hardware, but the graphics capability on the Wii U feels ample enough- can not wait for a F-Zero or Metroid game!
I would love to see a HD Wii U pad in the near future Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: Carnage on May 12, 2014, 11:34:12 AM I love the Wii U pad, for how huge it is, its surprisingly light and ergonomic, The pro controller is nice too. Nintendo takes chances, kudos for that, PS4 and XBOX 1 play it safe and in my opinion it makes the experience stale, yeah they have stronger hardware, but the graphics capability on the Wii U feels ample enough- can not wait for a F-Zero or Metroid game! god no, why would there be an HD wiiu gamepad at all? wiiu cant handle more than one gamepad connected anyway I would love to see a HD Wii U pad in the near future Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on May 12, 2014, 11:45:32 AM With the exception of using it for Pikmin 3, I will never use the game pad for anything else. It has it's Potential for games that use it for convenience like the menu for the Wind Waker HD remake.
I would love to see a HD Wii U pad in the near future 1.It would be too expensive to manufacture. 2. They'll have to find some way to keep the battery life above 4 hours cause of all the HDness. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Sharky on May 12, 2014, 09:25:19 PM With the exception of using it for Pikmin 3, I will never use the game pad for anything else. It has it's Potential for games that use it for convenience like the menu for the Wind Waker HD remake. Not really. Either two thing will make this an issue: 1.It would be too expensive to manufacture. 2. They'll have to find some way to keep the battery life above 4 hours cause of all the HDness. First off, they manufacture tablets with better and larger screens cheap enough for them to sell them at $60 and still make money. Second, a second battery pack (or larger one) would not weigh much or cost much to manufacture, Lithium chemistry battery technology is nearing perfection, the cells are incredibly cheap to manufacture. I remember somewhere that the Wii U can handle two game pads at once- the system could easily handle a few more pixels. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on May 12, 2014, 09:41:23 PM First off, they manufacture tablets with better and larger screens cheap enough for them to sell them at $60 and still make money. That information is still not going to change my mind on how much I need the game pad for my games.Second, a second battery pack (or larger one) would not weigh much or cost much to manufacture, Lithium chemistry battery technology is nearing perfection, the cells are incredibly cheap to manufacture. I remember somewhere that the Wii U can handle two game pads at once- the system could easily handle a few more pixels. They shouldn't be forcing that piece of machinery on to people who don't really want it, and for the next Smash coming out in winter really makes me wonder if there going to make people use the Pad for everything, because you know Nintendo. They always make the right choices when it comes to ease of access...by looking at another screen...that's on your lap... and waving a stick around just to move.[/sarcasm] Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Carnage on May 13, 2014, 01:27:07 AM First off, they manufacture tablets with better and larger screens cheap enough for them to sell them at $60 and still make money. they said it might handle 2 gamepads of the ones that already exist but that would require lots of code to stop the console from loosing performance since the wiiu isnt good enough to do two streams at once in the current state.Second, a second battery pack (or larger one) would not weigh much or cost much to manufacture, Lithium chemistry battery technology is nearing perfection, the cells are incredibly cheap to manufacture. I remember somewhere that the Wii U can handle two game pads at once- the system could easily handle a few more pixels. There is no reason to make an hd pad at all especialy when preety much zero games would suport 2 gamepads at once even if they updated the code. That information is still not going to change my mind on how much I need the game pad for my games. this is totaly true lol i always wondered why do i need to shake the wiimote to do tricks on mario kart or do a spin atack on galaxy when those 2 could have been a simple button input.They shouldn't be forcing that piece of machinery on to people who don't really want it, and for the next Smash coming out in winter really makes me wonder if there going to make people use the Pad for everything, because you know Nintendo. They always make the right choices when it comes to ease of access...by looking at another screen...that's on your lap... and waving a stick around just to move.[/sarcasm] But hey nintendo likes to force you to use their controllers , i bet most games now will force you to move foward by moving on the gamepad touch screen like tablet games and disabling the analogic sticks just wait and see lol Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Sharky on May 14, 2014, 11:02:07 AM Highly doubt smash will require you to use the game pad, just like in DK tropical freeze, they know smash is for an audience that wants no-nonsense gameplay, even during the dark days of motion control, SSBB allowed use of NGC controllers, classic controllers and had waggle as an option (which is pointless, I tried it)
I have noticed on the original Wii, they started very strong using motion control for EVERYTHING, as time went on, they almost seized that, yeah mario galaxy had waggle, but in my opinion it did not get in the way, same thing with mario kart, I was actually fond of the wheel control even though you could play using a joystick. 3rd party games are most likely going to be crap, and try to use the Wii U's proprietary controls every chance they have to artificially add to the value- though, like in sonic lost potential... I mean lost worlds, they started with crappy "swipe to use color powers" but almost immediately, they patched it so you could use regular controls. And I feel the Wii U pad is a nice piece of kit if used correctly, having a map always open is nice, instead of pausing the game and pulling up the map, I love the fact you can draw on the screen and have your screen hidden from other players during mini games. I do like using the Wii U pad to actually play games too, games like megaman X work great with it, plus if someone wants to watch tv but you still want to play a game, most the time you can. Having a HD screen would add to the value of the console, the screen is ok now, but it could use more pixels to take advantage of 1080P native resolution, who cares if only one person, maybe two can use a Wii U pad at once, it's like saying just because it's a single player game the tv can be a 20" CRT from 1997. Nintendo has made mistakes, but they have also made revolutionary decisions too. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Carnage on May 14, 2014, 11:06:46 AM Highly doubt smash will require you to use the game pad, just like in DK tropical freeze, they know smash is for an audience that wants no-nonsense gameplay, even during the dark days of motion control, SSBB allowed use of NGC controllers, classic controllers and had waggle as an option (which is pointless, I tried it) what matters if only one can use the gamepad? well everyone, when someone buys a controller they expect it to be an extra controller not replacing one you already had like wiimote and wiimotionplus you could have 2 controllers when buying the motionplus not like its very worth it still, it gets you 2 controllers while buying an HD gamepad will mean throw your older gamepad away becuase its now useless even for multiplayer becuase the wiiu can barely stream for one gamepad let alone 2 gamepads being one of them hd.I have noticed on the original Wii, they started very strong using motion control for EVERYTHING, as time went on, they almost seized that, yeah mario galaxy had waggle, but in my opinion it did not get in the way, same thing with mario kart, I was actually fond of the wheel control even though you could play using a joystick. 3rd party games are most likely going to be crap, and try to use the Wii U's proprietary controls every chance they have to artificially add to the value- though, like in sonic lost potential... I mean lost worlds, they started with crappy "swipe to use color powers" but almost immediately, they patched it so you could use regular controls. And I feel the Wii U pad is a nice piece of kit if used correctly, having a map always open is nice, instead of pausing the game and pulling up the map, I love the fact you can draw on the screen and have your screen hidden from other players during mini games. I do like using the Wii U pad to actually play games too, games like megaman X work great with it, plus if someone wants to watch tv but you still want to play a game, most the time you can. Having a HD screen would add to the value of the console, the screen is ok now, but it could use more pixels to take advantage of 1080P native resolution, who cares if only one person, maybe two can use a Wii U pad at once, it's like saying just because it's a single player game the tv can be a 20" CRT from 1997. Nintendo has made mistakes, but they have also made revolutionary decisions too. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Sharky on May 14, 2014, 11:17:22 AM It's like saying everyone threw away their 3ds when the XL came out, to some people a bigger or better screen doesn't matter, people like you, however people like me want a better screen as I use the screen often. So the way I see it is they should release new consoles with better Wii U pad screens and offer to sell the new pads as an option or even do a trade-in program.
Nintendo could also make the second pad work like a normal remote on games that don't need a additional screen, it would just act as a pro controller. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: TheDarkMysteryMan on May 14, 2014, 11:20:50 AM It's like saying everyone threw away their 3ds when the XL came out, to some people a bigger or better screen doesn't matter, people like you, however people like me want a better screen as I use the screen often. So the way I see it is they should release new consoles with better Wii U pad screens and offer to sell the new pads as an option or even do a trade-in program. Your beginning sentence reminded me of this saying from Chucky.Nintendo could also make the second pad work like a normal remote on games that don't need a additional screen, it would just act as a pro controller. "It's not about the size, it's how you use it.' Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Carnage on May 14, 2014, 11:32:43 AM It's like saying everyone threw away their 3ds when the XL came out, to some people a bigger or better screen doesn't matter, people like you, however people like me want a better screen as I use the screen often. So the way I see it is they should release new consoles with better Wii U pad screens and offer to sell the new pads as an option or even do a trade-in program. 3ds xl is diferent, you could keep both for mutiplayer porposes since lots of games like pokemon and such need 2 consoles and such for trades, the other 3ds isnt useless at all it still works by itself since it isnt tyed to anything only needs the game cartriges and alot of ppl actually sold in their old 3ds and payed afew more bucks and got a xl if they didnt want to keep both like i did.Nintendo could also make the second pad work like a normal remote on games that don't need a additional screen, it would just act as a pro controller. the older gamepad would just be junk you couldnt do anything it doesnt work by itself like the 3ds so even by selling you would get really low value since its a device that doesnt work by itself and cant be added along others to increase the controllers on the wiiu. Your hopping way too much from nintendo, turning the other gamepad on a pro controller? lol nintendo would just tell you go and buy a pro controller, there isnt any reason why the gamepad that got a patch to stream wii mode on the wiiu doesnt work like a classic controller,they just didnt want you to get a free controller. and make you use a wiimote with a classic controller atached while looking at the gamepad to play wii games if you dont want to use the tv. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Segtendo on May 14, 2014, 01:46:24 PM Your beginning sentence reminded me of this saying from Chucky. How. Does. This. Relate."It's not about the size, it's how you use it.' Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Velen on May 14, 2014, 02:23:45 PM How. Does. This. Relate. Seg. I'm going to be bluntly honest: Do you really need that spelled out for you? It's related to the talk about smaller screen vs bigger screen. Reading the post quoted in his post would've given you the relation. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Sharky on May 14, 2014, 04:39:08 PM ? don't you think it would be in Nintendo's interest to sell hardware? why wouldn't someone pay for a better screen? do you really think they care what becomes of the old controllers?
Plus I HIGHLY doubt that Nintendo would make a second game pad useless, its for a current system, we aren't talking about Microsoft here. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Carnage on May 14, 2014, 05:10:33 PM ? don't you think it would be in Nintendo's interest to sell hardware? why wouldn't someone pay for a better screen? do you really think they care what becomes of the old controllers? the point is the hardware needs to be profitable i just dont see how a gamepad that will costs more like around 100 be profitable when ppl dont need another one. Heck you will have a very hard time buying gamepads at all ppl dont sell them without the console becuase they are useless without it.Plus I HIGHLY doubt that Nintendo would make a second game pad useless, its for a current system, we aren't talking about Microsoft here. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Sharky on May 14, 2014, 10:02:18 PM People don't NEED new $600 cell phones every year either, they WANT them. Like I said, new consoles could come with HD pads, and Nintendo could do trade-ins plus money for old ones.
I would buy a new game pad if it had a better screen, and I'm sure other people would too. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointiing Post by: LC-DDM on May 18, 2014, 01:52:04 PM I love the Wii U pad, for how huge it is, its surprisingly light and ergonomic, The pro controller is nice too. Nintendo takes chances, kudos for that, PS4 and XBOX 1 play it safe and in my opinion it makes the experience stale, yeah they have stronger hardware, but the graphics capability on the Wii U feels ample enough- can not wait for a F-Zero or Metroid game! I would love to see a HD Wii U pad in the near future Sony/Microsoft don't "play it safe", that's bull[censored]. They follow the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" motto. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Carnage on May 19, 2014, 12:54:27 AM People don't NEED new $600 cell phones every year either, they WANT them. Like I said, new consoles could come with HD pads, and Nintendo could do trade-ins plus money for old ones. for that the wiiu would have to sold as well as those phones which it didnt not even close so there arent many wiiu owners to begin with.I would buy a new game pad if it had a better screen, and I'm sure other people would too. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Sharky on May 20, 2014, 03:22:40 PM for that the wiiu would have to sold as well as those phones which it didnt not even close so there arent many wiiu owners to begin with. Not sure what you are getting at. Ps4 and X-bone can be replaced with a good computer, I really can't say that with Nintendo. Title: Re: Isn't it kinda disappointing Post by: Miranda Sings on May 21, 2014, 08:07:01 PM life will still go on. so gotcha. gotcha good.
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