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Title: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 02:14:09 PM
When I saw the vid Joshl92 made of the two Link PSA's at once (found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8tFcwYnfc ), I asked him what he did.
He said he only renamed FitLink.pac to FitToonLink.pac and placed those Link files in the Toon Link folder.
At first I didn't believe him, but after I tried to do it myself, I found out that it really worked (shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuREv2RdUwo ).
I wondered why this was possible and if it would work for other characters.
I tried bluntly replacing characters with Cloud, only to find out it didn't work.
That's when I thought about the wholu module thing.
So I looked into both Link's and Toon Link's module file with Phantom Wings Module viewer (a program called aU2f91.exe which he posted on Smash Boards for people who actually know how to edit modules, which I don't know) and saw that Link and Toon Link have the same amount of Constructor lines.
So I went to look into Ike's module file and find a character with the same amount of Constructor lines as Ike and I found out that Meta Knight has the same amount of Constructor lines.
So I went on and did the same thing I did with Link and renamed the files to match Meta Knight's name and putted it into the Meta Knight folder.
And guess what?
IT WORKED!!!
Well, to an extent...
Here is the proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLlh63LO-PA
Try doing it yourself if you don't believe me, you will be surprised.


Title: Re: Replacing characters with other Brawl characters (Naruto VS Cloud possible)
Post by: matteron on April 03, 2010, 02:20:48 PM
It would work vis-versa right?
Like the Geno psa over link.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 02:21:47 PM
It would work vis-versa right?
Like the Geno psa over link.
Yes.
But I haven't tried it.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: matteron on April 03, 2010, 02:33:44 PM
Well then...
Anyway, have you tried this procedure on any other characters.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Chuy on April 03, 2010, 02:34:22 PM
Nice find but i thought phantom hasn't released the module viewer yet apparently i was wrong


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Segtendo on April 03, 2010, 02:36:32 PM
Link to program?


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 02:58:56 PM
Also, for fans of Shadow VS Sonic, Sonic is interchangeable with both Luigi and Marth (Sonic's specials won't do a thing though).

Nice find but i thought phantom hasn't released the module viewer yet apparently i was wrong

It's a developer kind of viewer which crashes alot and cannot edit without proper knowledge Phantom Wings has.
I only used it to view the module files, not to edit them (I didn't edit anything).

Link to program?

Here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tmwwykzgytz
Credit to Phantom Wings.
It's only a viewer which let you see offsets.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Feanor on April 03, 2010, 04:42:48 PM
That can be very interesting. But a few questions : if you do that, what does happen to MK? Can you do that with two simple PSA (like Cloud and Aeon)?  Does it freeze the game or is it bugless? In the video we can see in the begening that Cloud stays in T stance is it because of that?


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 06:06:32 PM
That can be very interesting. But a few questions : if you do that, what does happen to MK? Can you do that with two simple PSA (like Cloud and Aeon)?  Does it freeze the game or is it bugless? In the video we can see in the begening that Cloud stays in T stance is it because of that?
Cloud (and Ike) can't use A moves when doing this.
That's why it T-stanced.
And at least for Ike it is a bit buggy and freezy.

EDIT: Here's a list of the amount of Constructors of each character,
Each character that matches in number are interchangeable:

Captain Falcon 8
King Dedede 16
Diddy Kong 15
Donkey Kong 15
Falco 1
Fox 1
Mr. Game and Watch 17
Ganondorf 7
Ice Climbers 13
Ike 6
Kirby 15
Bowser 9
Link 9
Lucario 5
Lucas 15
Luigi 5
Mario 7
Marth 5
Meta Knight 6
Ness 19
Peach 4
Pikachu 8
Olimar 17
Pit 7
Pokemon Trainer(all poké's) 7
Jigglypuff 5
R.O.B. 7
Samus/ZSS 12
Snake 9
Sonic 5
Toon Link 9
Wario 27
Wolf 1
Yoshi 18
Fighting Alloy Team 4
Zelda 23


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 03, 2010, 06:11:05 PM
Ike can go over Marth. I've fought CoN Naruto with Ike before to compare the 2. Ike's specials didn't work though.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 06:21:30 PM
Ike can go over Marth. I've fought CoN Naruto with Ike before to compare the 2. Ike's specials didn't work though.
Your right.
His Up-B freezes though.
But he works better than done over Meta Knight.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 03, 2010, 06:25:30 PM
Tested that a lot. Up-B freezes only if you hit them.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 06:29:27 PM
Tested that a lot. Up-B freezes only if you hit them.
Me it freezes just right after execution.
N-B seems to work perfectly though.
Also, Ike over Marth is an exception of the rule as for Ike over Jigglypuff didn't work.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 03, 2010, 06:30:41 PM
If Ike didn't have such complicated hard coding Coud over Marth could work.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 06:34:23 PM
If Ike didn't have such complicated hard coding Coud over Marth could work.
I'm going to test that out.
Also, it may be something File Size Limit related for why Ike over Marth did work and Ike over Jigglypuff didn't.
EDIT: Cloud worked and his Up-B only froze when I hit the opponent.
The Specials worked like normal (beside some looking really weird, like his Air Side-B).


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 03, 2010, 06:41:55 PM
Yup I figured some of it would work. His up-B still has the hard coding then.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 06:44:12 PM
When done over Meta Knight, his Grounded Up-B works, so I think it has something hard coded, at least not in PSA.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 03, 2010, 06:48:36 PM
I know Marth has annoying hard-coding. When I swapped Ike over Marth and used up-B, it didn't freeze unless I hit them but Ike had Marth's momentum from his up-B. So Ike flew across FD and killed himself right after the ledge. He just falls down with the ground up-B.

When used in air he would fly from one kill side boundary to the other. Actually a really good recovery if used right.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 03, 2010, 06:51:35 PM
I know Marth has annoying hard-coding. When I swapped Ike over Marth and used up-B, it didn't freeze unless I hit them but Ike had Marth's momentum from his up-B. So Ike flew across FD and killed himself right after the ledge. He just falls down with the ground up-B.

When used in air he would fly from one kill side boundary to the other. Actually a really good recovery if used right.
Broken I say.
And yes, got the same problem as you had.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 03, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
That's something to fix if somebody really, REALLY wants to.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 04, 2010, 07:42:27 AM
Here's a better vid of a Cloud VS Naruto fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0w81MvTOv0


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Wulfbang Meow on April 05, 2010, 09:14:54 PM
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Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Oizen on April 06, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
Some one make sonic work on Jigglypuff, Im not entirely sure how this works.

;o


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 06, 2010, 04:35:52 PM
Some one make sonic work on Jigglypuff, Im not entirely sure how this works.

;o
I tried putting Lucario over Jigglypuff and after seconds after his entry animation begun, the game froze.
I don't know if it will be the same for putting Sonic over Jigglypuff though, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Looking at it, replacing Luigi with Sonic is for now the stablest switch.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Oizen on April 06, 2010, 04:36:30 PM
fine, luigi.

some one do it.

nao :o


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 06, 2010, 04:40:32 PM
Already did it.
Works fine aside from not working Specials, no double jump and slow run start.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Oizen on April 06, 2010, 05:43:12 PM
where might I download it?

o.o


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: matteron on April 07, 2010, 05:11:09 AM
Just put luigi's files over whoever you want to replace...make sure you rename them!


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: Kaye Cruiser on April 07, 2010, 07:20:10 AM
He actually works a bit better over Marth, since he won't freeze whenever you crouch. :3


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 07, 2010, 07:24:23 AM
Any freezing would be because Ike doesn't have a crawling animation. If he was given one he would probably work better. This is why Metaknight wouldn't work right without a lot of PSA and animation editing.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 07, 2010, 08:18:52 AM
He actually works a bit better over Marth, since he won't freeze whenever you crouch. :3
I crouched with Sonic over Luigi and he didn't freeze.
I however used Sonic files ripped directly from the disk itself without editing.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: DMN666 on April 07, 2010, 02:27:07 PM
I love how all the good characters replace the good ones and the bad ones over the bad ones -_-


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: renegade109 on April 07, 2010, 07:38:17 PM
Ok, I take a programming class at school and I think there's more at work here than JUST the constructors... Like people have said, the model plays a very important role. So what else do we need to do to make this theory bullet proof?


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: DMN666 on April 09, 2010, 04:49:04 PM
Wait...how do i do this?I wanna have Rosalina over Blue Alloy.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: dingo on April 09, 2010, 04:56:48 PM
Wait...how do i do this?I wanna have Rosalina over Blue Alloy.

Her file size would be too big.


Title: Re: (Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters
Post by: ♤♡◇♧ on April 09, 2010, 05:03:50 PM
Wait...how do i do this?I wanna have Rosalina over Blue Alloy.

Her file size would be too big.
Way to big I suppose.
Also, Dr. Mario doesn't work over Yellow Alloy, but does work over Luigi.
His specials however, freeze him.