thanks for your help the first solution seems to have done it :D with the second though i didnt touch any animations i noticed this when i changed an attribute and nothing else is there some reason that would do it? and so i switch to the VISO tab and make sure every animation there has more frames than its CHR0 counterpart? before poking around to see what you meant i didnt even know there were other tabs >.> so as you can imagine my understanding is weak.
