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Well sir, you've done it.  Isaac is now a playable character in Brawl.  Overall he is a nice character, the wait animation is murder on my eyes though...  But I forgive this as soon as I use Gaia.  I did notice however that since the latest versions, Echo seems to have lost much of it's killing potential.  Maybe it's because I've become rusty due to not having played in a few weeks.

Now his final smash, what I assume to Megiddo.  I like it's potential, as Isaac is essentially firing down the entire Sun on an opponent, but the move is significantly under-powered as is now.  However, if I recall reading, this is just a placeholder so I will not state much on this until I see the final product.

And let's not forget the Venus Lighthouse stage.  Absolutely delightful.  I am a little disappointed to see it is a Final Destination clone, however.  Perhaps making it so the lower platforms by the stairs on either side of the stage are playable, or even going as far as integrating those white platforms that disappear.  But, Isaac takes priority and as it stands now, this stage is one of my favorites anyway.

If you were right next to me, I would shake your hand and offer you a free Slurpee from the 7-11 I work at, but alas, this is the internet.  So all I can offer you is e-kudos.

Well, scratch Venus Lighthouse off of my to do list.

If you could pull off getting the main protagonist from SMT Persona 3 on the PS2 and/or PSP, I may very well fangasm.

I don't mind the addition of end lag to prevent the spamming of the side-B attack, but I think it takes far too long.  I would reduce the speed and reduce the end lag to compensate for this.

UPDATE 1/29/12

I played the new version with the grabs and so far, they seem solid enough.  The range does seem a bit much though, especially for the grab happy CPU.  On his back throw, the hand popping up seems out of place, but aside from that, cleaning up the animations a tad the throws will seem complete in my book.

The new Side B is viscous.  I was not expected such a drastic speed boost.  I'm okay with it, although I wouldn't mind seeing it a little bit slower.  Like halfway between what it is now and where it was.

The altered hit boxes made a huge difference, as did the Retreat + Ragnarok combination.  The CPU did not see that coming.

Halt is an interesting addition.  It's tricky to land which is fine because it completely disables an opponent briefly, leaving them vulnerable to an Echo or Quake.

I didn't really notice too many differences that had much of an impact on Isaac's play style.

I'm still in love with Gaia, although I did notice that if you hold down Down B even after you've charged the attack once, Isaac will charge again.  I don't recall this having happened in previous iterations of the move set.

I'm liking this more and more.  All that's left now is a final smash and a port over another character so I can keep Goku.  Of course, if it comes down to it, my fangasm will force me to pick Isaac over Goku.

Give me a moment....



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Yeah, that about sums it up.

The new update is much better.  I noticed the altered knock back on Echo, and the range on Quake was reduced.  This made a very drastic impact on Isaac's game.  I had issues with the fact that more than half of Isaac's ground attacks launched his opponents skyward into the area where I had the most difficulties.

I did notice one thing that I didn't notice on the first moveset.  His aerial move did not hit a jumping opponent, or even an opponent in the air.  Which made edge guarding significantly more difficult for Isaac which I liked, but in situations outside of it, it did nothing unless the opponent was already on the ground.

I'm downloading movie maker as I type, and will post a video shortly demonstrating some of the things I've covered here.

And here's the video.  WARNING:  I am far and away one of the least charismatic people you've ever met.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Ju8KxJCik&feature=youtu.be

Okay, I'll have a video prepared tomorrow, but here is my analysis.

Neutral B - This is a massive love/hate relationship.  The hand itself is great and the effect is nice, but the range and speed is abysmal.  In the game, the hand travels a very short distance.  I had always pictured this as a more of a short to mid-ranged counter or disrupting move as opposed as to the approach they gave him as an assist trophy.

Side B - I like this move.  I agree that the hit box is a bit tiny, but that's not really too bad, considering after a little practice I was able to land it pretty consistently.  Increasing the hit box may make this move a bit too broken.  Instead I would improve his speed in which he travels through the air.

Down B - Gaia!  Gaia!  Gaia!  I cannot describe how much I enjoy this move.  I was worried that the area of effect would be too large, but now I'm more concerned it's too small, actually.  The effect is gorgeous, and the damage is fair.  I would increase the range, but also increase the charge time.

Up B - Great recovery move off the edge provided you were spiked, but not much else.  It kind of got in the way a few times on Final Destination actually, and resulted in multiple deaths.  That's my fault on that point, however I would recommend giving him an opportunity to do something while free falling, as he is incredibly vulnerable if his uses this on the ground.

Air Neutral B - I have to be honest, I do not like this move.  At all.  Being able to defeat an enemy at 0% never seemed right to me.  Just work them over to the edge and basically once your at the edge and they're off the stage, it's a free point for you.  I would highly recommend changing this move.

Air Side B - I'm making it painfully apparent I'm not a fan of Isaac's aerial game.  The spiking potential of this move is pretty viscous, but the difficulty of landing it is exponentially more difficult than on the ground.  This is where I would recommend giving a greater hitbox, although I would also recommend a different move.

Air Down B - I'm very happy to see Ragnarok in the game, but I have to say I am disappointed how it turned out as a basic move.  I feel this epic of a skill deserves Final Smash status.  The difficulty in landing it is great, and the payoff is slim.  The effect is nice, however, I cannot fault you for that.

Side Smash - Probably Isaac's main killing move.  I find it a bit odd that the second hit has vertical knockback, but that's not that big of an issue.

Up Smash - I will never... NEVER like Vines.  I choose to call this move the Djinni Vines because Growth would require the usage of Djinni beside Venus, which would take away pretty much Isaac's entire moveset.  As for how it looks and the effectiveness, I would rate this one as decent.  Although personally I see it more as a Down Smash than an Up Smash.

Down Smash - I didn't care for this move.  The effect was very visually appealing, but the effectiveness of it wasn't particularly useful.  If they are slightly out of range they are safe, which is to be expected, but if they get in your face, then you are screwed.  It was difficult to land, and even being fully charged, it didn't really prove to be much of a hindrance.  At 130%, it failed to take out Scott Pilgrim even though it was fully charged.

Air Side Smash - See Air Side B

Air Up Smash - Excellent move.  Great for juggling, and that crit is very useful.  Although in fairness, I think the percent of landing it should be reduced because next to Echo, that was my main killing move.

Air Down Smash - The Spire looks great, but again, the effectiveness wasn't that spectacular.  I was hoping for more of a Cloud Down Smash as seem in the Cloud that was commonplace before SDo0m took the reigns, which is a move I still miss.  In this attack, he pauses in air and launches out a few fireballs in an arcing fashion.  I would like to see that, but with Spire.

I have no real comment for his AA combos and the like, as they didn't differ too much from Pit's, which also may explain why sometimes the Move Hand would appear attached to Isaac's wrist.

His Dash Attack, see Air Up Smash.  Although the shield reflect perfection that the CPU possess even at level 5 ruined me.

Neutral A Air - a very basic useful technique.

I also forgot to mention, Force.  I hate to say it, but this move was almost entirely useless to me.  I rarely hit with it, and when I did, it wasn't worth it.

Anyway, that is my analysis.  If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me any time.  I will post a video at a later date when the Wii becomes available to me again to better illustrate the points I convered just now, should the need arise.

P.S. - I know at times I seemed overly critical and nitpicked tiny details, but that's because I want perfection from this moveset.

Thank you very much for your hard work, and I eagerly look forward to what you will do next.

So far he looks like a very interesting character.  I did enjoy your usage of the many psynergies available, and was pleasantly surprised to see Retreat as his Up B.  That hadn't even occurred to me.

Graphics wise, it's either a love or hate type deal.  I'll need to check it out when it's available myself, but the Gaia while looking absolutely beautiful, I am worried about the range of the attack.  Spire looks very pleasant, although I thought I noticed a hiccup the first attempt to use it.
On the other hand, Ragnorok/Odyssey looks a bit strange as a standard move as I thought it would.  The move may be suited to either a final smash, or a ground special so as to allow the user to see the full splendor of the move.  As it stands in the air, it just seems like a way to cover a ton of ground beneath Isaac without much effort.  And then there is Vines.  I will admit I am biased against this move as I had never used it in the game, save to set a Djinni.  However, aside from that, it is the only move that seems to stand out in a negative manner.  It starts off how one would expect, materializing from the ground and slowly expanding, but it's retreat seems very unappealing.  Of course, I was never a fan of enlarging and shrinking graphics to emphasize movement.

That's all that comes to mind instantly.  Very creative and very well done.  I greatly look forward to his release.

And yes, a second bias of mine is coming to light. My man-crush on Isaac.

I am intrigued by the progress of this moveset, as Isaac is one of my favorite charatcers.  I would like to beta test for you, if you will have me.  I have a tuner card on my PC that can record, although I do not know the status of my microphone.  I can probably find one somewhere.

As for my PSA knowledge, I do not have any reputable contributions, but I have made my own tweaks to already existing ones to fit the needs of my peers who frequently play.  Such examples would be adjusting the priority of SDo0m's Viewtiful Joe's Voomerang so as to not repel other projectiles, fixing the wall cling of Cloud as well (although I do believe that was fixed on it's own), and adjusting Eternal Yoshi's Gray Fox's neutral B to be three scope shots as opposed to a ray gun shot.
NOTE: None of these examples were intended to criticize, but merely to conform the movesets to fir the preferences of the 6-7 people who play regularly.

Aside from that, I play many of the movesets that are released regularly.  So much so that SDo0m's Spiderman actually may have become one of my mains.  That particular moveset fits my playstyle very well.

Anyway, I would love to offer feedback to this project, as I had been working on my own for quite some time, but due to hardware and time restrictions had not been able to.

I'm pleased to see someone finally taking an interest in this project.

First, allow me to address Move.  On the ground, I like it.  However, in the air while he was edge guarding, that is ridiculously broken.  As soon as you knock them off, you can continuously push them off until they eventually fall, even at minimum percent.  While on the ground, it seems plausible, but I would reduce the distance traveled, but increase the knock back if anything.

For his Up-B, I'm finding difficulty seeing how Gaia will work.  I would see that as more of a down smash or special instead.  I would see Lift of Grab as a more plausible Up-B.

Everything else seems to be plausible, but if you would like to see what I was going for and would perhaps like to take a few ideas, by all means feel free:

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

I accidentally deleted this thread in the PSA request section, and didn't feel like reviving it.

In light of the Vegeta hype, potential victory theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOYzN_mLVpM

Yeaahh...

I don't know if this has been tossed out there, but one of his taunts or victory poses could be his super awesome squat which he [borrowed] from Zack.  If it hasn't been tossed out there before, it certainly has now.

That aside, I am very much looking forward to how this iteration of Cloud works out.  I keep trying to walk away from Brawl, but hacks like these keep pulling me back in.

I figured I could chuck over a donation to someone who has helped in salvaging my 'game clubs' day of gaming (which incidentally has been in a decline over the past few months) rather than piss it away on three drawings worth of Mega Millions tickets which I would have inevitably lost.

Fer serious Beyond, your contributions, among a few other choice hackers, have allowed my peers and I recapture our love for our favorite series.  I hope you get to hacking ASAP so the joy can continue.