Thanks! It was only a small modification, but it's better than a still charging animation. At least to me.
He's trying to make the first strike a place holder of sorts to move into I think 3 different attacks. SpecialS2Lw is Astra I'm assuming from what he stated in the OP, and from the animation that's given. And I think SpecialS2Hi is supposed to be Aether. That's what it kinda looks like anyway.

The only issue I see him having so far is to make them move forward as it does in BrawlBox. It's a little strange that they aren't, even though he put Moves Character on the ones he wanted to move. I'm not an expert at PSA-ing, so I wouldn't really know how to go about fixing that problem.
No Problem. I didn't know you made one too. Whoops.

Its cool I didn't make a charge animation. I just made the Start and End transition to and from. If you wanna send that over i'll convert what I have.

I'll check it and see if he did or not.

EDIT: I see that on Action 285, it has a change sub action to NONE in it dunno what that action normally is though. Oh that's SpecialLw. Never mind.

EDIT: Send it to me and I'll have mammoth look at it. He's playing wii golf right now haha.

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Was able to make a redo of your SpecialNLoop animation, using Roy's as a base with slight modifications to her arms.

It's also Subactions as well. that's where you can alter all the normal moves and properties for each. Actions are the Final Smash and Specials.

I'm glad you stuck with a pose close her original one, because I made the SpecialN you gave me go into her old charge stance. It shouldn't be too hard to convert it again. 


Post Merge: March 03, 2014, 03:09:05 PMAlso Master Hand, what do you have in mind for her new side tilt? If you cant do it I can do whatever for it. Same goes for the down smash. Just tell me what you want and I'll make it happen, at least to the best of my abilities. As for the specials just contact Mammoth for codding, and me for animations, and we can figure something out. Also kudos for being so gracious with my review. I hate it when people get all defensive about feedback. haha

lol Charizard's like, Stab Me??? Seismic Toss!

Okay so to avoid any confusion. Lucina attacks, spins, steps with her right, then slides her left back into her wait position almost taking a step, using her momentum from the spin to do so.

No... more like left leg lol

It's so minor that you probably won't even notice it in the middle of a fight (unless you're playing at like 1/4 speed).

Hmm, you make me question your eye for detail lol. I did modify the left a little but it was the right leg that was more messed up. I'll post a .gif after a cig.

More right leg right? must have been one of the edits I made because it seems the old one doesn't do that. I'll have a look.

In my defense, I am only cleaning animations that are already there, excluding the Up Smash. Thanks for the feedback though guys. 

Lol great pic of the day. Nice and epic.

Poppin in to drop some .gifs

Here's the original Side Smash.

And here's what i've done. I made it transition to the wait correctly, changed the timing of the attack, and did some other minor adjustments.

Here's an updated Up Smash, I wasn't happy with the original, so I made some changes.

Here's Lucina's Attack Dash as well.

I've also made several other changes, I just feel they weren't .gif worthy (or I was just too lazy)

There's no reason not to do it in one animation.

It just sounds cool when you say animation over and over. I'm pretty sure you know what I mean.

Lol pretty sure I do
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But the reason would be ease. Seeing the whole thing in one fluent movement would not only give more of a sense accuracy when it comes to movement speeds, but save you from finishing one animating, using copy paste on a new animation, then going from there. In fact, even if I know an animation is going to be cut because of how the attack needs to be codded, I will still start it as a single animation for both of those reasons.

If you couldn't tell from my animations already, I'm not a big animator. So no, I wouldn't do something cheesy like that. Ain't no one got time fo' dat.

I guess you could call it a special cluster[censored]. Only thing that really makes sense when you see what you can and can't do with Ike's final.

What you could do is make a completely new animation. Lucina starts from her wait, then she transitions into the healing slash and then the animation ends right there. Don't make it transition to Wait 1. Instead, make another animation where she jumps back/does whatever and does the second slash/whatever is left of her Final and then finally transitions to Wait 1.

The biggest problem I might have is the fact that Marth uses RA Bits in his specials while almost everyone else (if not everyone else) uses Change Subaction. But it's rather straightforward after working with Roy, so no biggie.

We've all got our strong points With that said, why cut the two attacks into two animations when they could just be one? Which would be easier to animate.

I hear RA bits and [censored] and go full retard lol

I got it to work for Heector without special throws

You can do the FS in two animations, the initial swing that heals, and then the jump back and final slash.

To make it more fun, I could make it possible that the second hit will happen even if the first one misses. Make it have a "Gotcha!" moment.

Also, I don't believe Ike's fs can be considered a special grab if the data for where they fly is in the stage itself :/

I'm not sure how your Hector's fs works, but its not something cheesy where hitboxes keep them in place or something right? I'm an animator so I dont know much of codding anyway. Also I was just calling it a special throw as a place holder, what else would I call it?

Honestly I was just gonna make an extended FinalEnd where, after she dashes, she does Sol, the first hit to heal. That would have a stun effect. Then jump backward and lunge forward to finish them off. I was gonna make everything myself. The FinalStart, Dash, and End animation from scratch.

The issue with the sword is probably it's rotation for both the animations. The SwordN, and RHave bones are tweaked. I probably just should've used one of those instead of both. You could just delete the rotations on the RHave bone and try to rotate the SwordN bone to match where it was. That should make the transition a bit easier to make.

I updated the Dropbox link on the first page. It has the New SepcialNStart, Loop, and End for both air and ground versions. Revenant if you could take a look at those and see if you could clean up the transition for the grounded End animation, it might actually work a bit better. I kind of attempted to do it so at least you have something to work off of.
How do you change that. I've been wanting to, but don't know where to even start looking.

That's normally not a problem. Each swordsman I have worked on use both SwordN and RHaveN bones. Admittedly Marth is extra retarded. But yeah I was planning on completely deleting the swords rotations from the animations where I'm having problems, and just redoing it myself. I hope that works though.
But I'll take a look at your motion.

Lol
But that could be pretty cool, but I think if it's going to be changed it should be a custom animation. Especially if i'm gonna make it go back to the wait1. Making a swapped animation go into the wait cleanly is almost as hard as making one from scratch imo. I am having a incredibly hard time making her sword correct currently. It looks fine in BB, but in game her sword twitches after the attack because of the pass frame for some reason. I'm having an especialy hard time with your side smash, but she is stepping back correctly, it's just the sword problem.
Also, with her FS. Before you start animating it, we need to figure out how the attack will work codding wise, because Marth doesn't have a type of special throw like Ike does for his FS, so the attack cannot work the same.
The few options I can think of are time manipulation or stun hitflags. That or figure out how to give Marth a custom special throw, which requires hex i'm pretty sure.
I forgot that Mammoth and I had a hard time making a fs like that work right.

Hey there! Sorry, I was a bit busy earlier today. I had some guests come over to my house xp. I also still have homework from college to do tonight, so I'll be in and out for a few hours or so.

Right anyway Heavy, to address your animation, I definitely like the Forward Smash animation a lot. Thank you for that! I was always reluctant to edit that move just because I am not fantastic with animating (down smash is evidence of that, haha). It helps so much to have you and others on board with this! I did most of the stuff for 1.5 by myself, so that limited me a lot back then, heh.

As for some stuff on PSA-ing, I read up on the idea posted here for the Final Smash. I think that 75% damage total sounds pretty good as far as damage output goes! Probably does not need super fantastic knockback though, on the account of it already healing her for the first strike. Her Final Smash will be pretty good with that already.

I think I covered most of the stuff discussed on here... oh right! Was that issue with the .PAC file the fact that it could not be opened in Project Smash Attacks or was that just me?
If it was just me, maybe I'll need a different version or something.

First off, if you save a .pac in BB, you cant use it with PSA.

Okay so this is just a review of Lucina's moveset in its current state.
Overall I like the PSA a lot, she really is super fun to play with. Although I do like most of the updates you've made, it seems I slightly prefer the more simplistic moveset of Lucina's previous version. I'm still not a fan of the windy cape, it just looks odd next to anyone with a cape or a dress. I can only ask myself why she is the only one effected by the magical wind. But it is true to her game and that's Heavy's style, so if it must be, it must be.
The attack dash is one of my favorites. Its super useful, and not too strong.
 I like the Side Tilt much more than what it was before, its much more flashy and less spamable.
The Down Tilt is still great, I like that she generally uses her sword, so the fact that she throws out a kick adds a little flare
Up Tilt is good, its a nice versitile attack that is useful in several occasions. It also reminds me of Chrom's Up Smash so thats cool as well.
The A combo is great, but I would consider some more lag on the last hit so the attack can't be spammed so much, even if the second hit knocks you out of the attack.

Side Smash is being revised.
The Up Smash is a great Idea, I love the animation(for whatever reason)
The Down Smash I'm not too sure about. I'm not too much a fan of standard attacks moving you around a lot though. I liked the original idea for her previous version's Down Smash, even if it was similar to Marth's.

All the Air Attacks are great, my favorite being the N Air, and the D Air.

I still love the SpecialN, i'ts pretty fitting for her to jump forward for the Signature Fire Emblem swordsman Neutral B charge. It could use a little less knockback though.   
The Special Hi is good, and works for Lucina great. But it may be a cool idea to do the PM Roy Up B, where you can direct it slightly, and maybe decrease the damage.
I actually am starting to like the Down B. At first I thought it op but it seems pretty good. Maybe increase the startup before she jumps forward?
The Side B, well it needs work somehow. The Regular forward B combo seems like it needs to walk forward or something. I know the Up Isn't working right. Also the short stance part, I guess the SpecialS1 needs to have a little longer of a window to chose which combo your using. It also needs to go back to wait, but you know I've got that handled

I do still really love this PSA, and I am stoked to be able to work on her.

I could understand that. Pass Frame does work pretty good in most instances. Like you said if the Wait is too different, like if the char is facing the opposite direction as the original character or something, it would be a requirement. Though I do like the sense of completion that doing all the pointless stuff gives. Plus without a timeframe who's in a hurry? lol
  Idk i'm the worst about taking forever to release something, so I shouldn't talk.