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31  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 12, 2016, 05:14:35 PM
EDIT: No I did not tell my fans to bombard this one with reports. Those are PMCC members who are mad because their content is also in there.
On that topic, and since I'm sure they are reading this thread sometimes, please try and keep your reports accurate, all of you. Don't get me wrong, those files were hella infringing for plenty of reasons:
Those files are not standalone. Those files have very foggy credits. Isaac's download is broken. P:M files aren't allowed to be submitted by non-PMDT people until the 15th.
If you consider them packs (even if they're not straight-to-SD!), they have no proper credits Readme and do not contain any of the author's contributions.

However, "Leaked content is forbidden on the Vault", "You can't upload it because it's not yours" and such aren't such reasons and are untrue in this time and place. They really should not be the vast majority of the 10~20 reports each of those files got.

I bet he totally ignored this thread.
Seeing the timing with which this was submitted, I bet that he actually read this thread very carefully...
32  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 11, 2016, 07:42:52 AM
Hey folks, I'm here with a bit of an announcement regarding that whole P:M business.

We're planning to open up a chatroom this weekend for the staff, former PMDT and related who wish to discuss the re-uploading thing from last week, in a slightly more cool-headed environment.
We aim to reach at least a decent understanding by the end of these two days, meaning the plan is to get things done, and not waste time on pointless drama.

Simply send one of the admins a PM with your Skype name and we'll add you to the room once it starts.

It should be held on Skype, since I know for a fact the whole staff is on it. Not sure about whether or not other software like Discord or Telegram cover them, but that's also a possibility. If anybody wants to join but doesn't use Skype or intend to use it (which is entirely understandable), make sure to say so here and we'll see what we can do. Worse comes to worse, we can just make an IRC channel.
33  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 06, 2016, 06:35:51 PM
Looks like it's just someone's trolling account, submitting hacks already on the Vault and claiming he made them. (For the record, and in relation to recent discussions, the latter is what we consider theft here.)

All his other stolen hacks are deleted and he's been doing nothing but that since joining, so I think we're just gonna go all Old Yeller on that account.
34  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 01:09:22 PM
So you basically brought your followers here to support your decision, labeling us as Sith Lords. I guess I might as well start behaving the way you painted us here, to not to leave a bad impression.
You're already the Anti-Christ though.

Because no one actually visits these forums. They just use the Vault.
And yet they [censored] all over this website they don't use in nearly every post they make? Including on SmashBoards?
You're killing me here.

And you are missing the whole point of my post. Yeah, I used you to grab their attention, but the main topic of my post was about the silly rule update.
Oh, I'm not missing anything. I was pretty much every day in the BV Staff room asking for possible compromises to help smooth things out for former PMDT devs. I was keeping discussions here and explaining our reasons because I believed a consensus could be reached.

The exact moment when you decided to make the conversation entirely one-way by bringing along your followers is the moment where I decided that it was not worth the effort, and that there was no discussion possible.

If you want to make this a popularity contest, you can do it on SmashBoards.
35  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 12:57:46 PM
Which is why you needed to make a long post about how evil I am in your personal thread there before they would show their concern about this place.
36  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 12:50:22 PM
I see that the tried and true "flood the topic with P:M followers until no discussion becomes possible anymore" strategy is still going strong.

So, can we have the opinions from people that have actually been remotely active around here and actually read the arguments posited before, or should I just take a cup of coffee while the Nanobuds fans parot the same 4 lines?
37  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 12:10:49 PM
Man, we should move this thread to the Introductions board. Look at all those new people.

With admins this childish and petty I think we have reason to dislike it here, Seggy.
It's hard to take this matter seriously with the amount of theatrics some people are pulling off. If you folks are that intent of making me the villain of a Saturday morning cartoon, I might just as well humor you and play my role.

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So lets say that the PMDT have been working in the kitchen all day and have just produced a fresh tray of cookies and not wanting to wait for such cookies to cool or even waiting to have one offered to me I stealthily snatch away a cookie.
You stole a cookie by making an exact of copie of the cookie that's still in their possession. Then when you showed the cookies to someone else and told them you didn't make the cookie. Then the original cook came and showed his baked cookies and what you did is you removed your half-baked ones from display.
And let's not forget the important part. The original guy? He stole his cookies from someone else in the first place!

That's a complicated kind of theft! And that seems super nice of the "thief" to their "victim" to go through all that. I dunno about the US, but here, the thieves just take your [censored]. Then it's not yours anymore, it's theirs.
38  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 08:35:57 AM
Taking a break from heated discussions is never a bad idea.
39  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 08:08:10 AM
As a matter of fact, we advise... nay, we encourage hackers to beat up their local PMDT friends for their WIP stages and then upload it all on BrawlVault. Our community will then drink the tears and laugh at the awful misfortune of these most respectful hackers taking punches like nerds.
40  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 06:41:04 AM
If you're that worried, than have the poll be only available to Admins and Staff and Blog Curators. Because I'm pretty sure it would still be the same ratio of consensus.
It's already done. And Curators don't even exist anymore.
We had a thread (with a poll) to discuss the situation for three weeks, and that's the way the decision came out. And we're still discussing the matter in a Skype chat.

Why do you think I was saying "we decided" all this time?
41  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 03, 2016, 12:14:07 AM
Because if we asked the community to make administrative decisions, there'd be comments on the Vault, packs wouldn't require a full credits list, all Sonic recolors would be banned from the Vault ever and any popular user asking nicely could get executive decisions done with no regards for double-standards or long-term consequences. :v
42  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 02, 2016, 01:04:29 AM
It's not a clear cut black vs white scenario. You could take an edge case of people hacking into your dropbox. I could answer with authors that prevent people from posting valid hacks for selfish reasons.

The reason we're still going for that approach is because we've never had incidents like the former happen, but we've had creators that did the latter. I can sympathize with the desire not to get your work released before its due date, but considering how rarely that situation has popped up, and how less damaging it is compared to something like actual BV thefts, we might as well do it on a case-by-base basis if that ever happens. It still outweighs the need to check for permissions or the awful idea of giving users the ability to take down edits of their work.

We're making an exception for PMDT members to be immune from reuploads for a period of time. We're adding the possibility to take down duplicates to mitigate the "damage" of WIP files. I'm also discussing with L_L on an idea that could ease things up even further for PMDT members.
Finally, you all seem to be grossly underestimating the power of having a civil discussion with users who re-uploaded your work. If you're just about to release your thing and get the duplicates replaced, I doubt anyone would care much about keeping the WIP on.

But that's as far as we're going to go. We're not going to make even more of an exceptional rule just for the former PMDT.

Copyrights(Specifically Video Game Copyrights) are literally the most complex type of laws in the entire world, so I don't expect you to understand them. I don't expect anyone to really understand 'em. Heck, I don't understand some of it.
You really don't because you can't copyright/license copyright-infringing material in the first place.
Copyright is literally the most simplist set of instructions by giving exclusive rights to the holder for use and distribution. Exclusive means they decide what done with their material and no one else.
The only remotely complex thing about copyrights is the Fair Use exception, which mods do not fall under.
43  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 01, 2016, 03:35:33 PM
Would it be okay for me to upload the stage to the vault (with proper credit), against the original creator's wishes? I'd imagine the answer would be a resounding "no."
There's unfinished/unpolished content submitted on a daily basis. And there' are re-uploads too. I haven't checked if there are unfinished re-uploads, but I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed.  Undecided
44  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 01, 2016, 03:05:43 PM
And yet, they don't.

Requiring "authorial permissions" for submissions or giving creators the right to take down re-uploads (and by that same logic, edits) of their work would add a strong constraint on both active submitters and the staff. It would also give creators a tool to stifle further developments upon their works, which simply goes against the founding principles of KCMM.
We do not believe the gain for original creators outweighs the es it would cause for the rest of the community, and we decided not to go against these ideas with this decision.

All we can offer you is some time to post anything you might have already finished, and the removal of duplicates afterwards. After that, you are free to take it up with the submitters if the situation happens for your own mods, although I would encourage you to be a tad more open-minded and cordial with them.
45  Welcome / Rules / Feedback / Brawl Vault / Re: BrawlVault: Feedback and Updates on: February 01, 2016, 02:40:46 PM
Theft would be releasing work as your own when it isn't, which is why we do not allow files to be posted without proper credit to the original author.
There have been cases where mods that were not shared on the Vault initially were then uploaded by other people for ease of access to everyone. On the other hand, plagiarists and thieves claiming another modder's content as being of their own making have been systematically removed from the Vault. All we are doing is follow up on the principles that were already established years ago. We are not making an exception for the PMDT.

The leaked files, whether you want it or not, are publicly available already. All adding them to the Vault does is making them more accessible to modders to edit or use on their own.

If you still need to work on WIP files that might get re-uploaded by the 15th, you have all the time in the world to do so. Simply do as Ricky just suggested once the hack is complete, and the duplicate will be removed.
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