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« Reply #15750 on: August 01, 2014, 02:12:22 PM » |
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actually, 90% of MMD models has at least (and I mean a very small number in general) 20 000 vertices in total
Which I've done before; my rig for Felicia from DarkStalkers, was easily 20,000 vertices; it created lag, but it still worked, but definitely pushing the limits. Yeah, I get it was a bad idea, so I'm going to forget I even mentioned that Krystal model, so..... My suggestion: Look up and follow some tutorials on modeling for 3DS Max. You'll learn the skill set needed fairly quickly.
Oh believe me, I tried, I got way too overwhelmed way too fast. I can never seem to find the right tutorials, they don't seem very relevant and confuse me to no end. There has to be better tutorials that are more up to date and less confusing to me.   I didn't say for you to send it over to me, I said you to try and use the Tristripper program to reduce the poly count so that it'll lag less than it should.
If you want to know how to do it, then download the latest Brawlbox v0.73 and follow this tutorial.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to rig the model before you import it into Brawl Box? I don't think a model with 100,000 polygons and 50,000 vertices would import very well into Brawl Box before the optimizations take place. Not exactly a viable solution, given the fact I'd have to rig the model over Peach or whoever, then export it as .dae and import into BB. I'm pretty sure it would crash the program. |
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« Reply #15751 on: August 01, 2014, 02:34:15 PM » |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to rig the model before you import it into Brawl Box? I don't think a model with 100,000 polygons and 50,000 vertices would import very well into Brawl Box before the optimizations take place. Not exactly a viable solution, given the fact I'd have to rig the model over Peach or whoever, then export it as .dae and import into BB. I'm pretty sure it would crash the program.
Yes you do. Just give it a try after you optimized it in 3DS Max and then saving it while importing the dae file into Brawlbox. Also, just a heads up; the Tristripper may be able to reduce the poly count, but whatever poly count left over, whether it's more than 20,000 may still cause lag regardless. So there. |
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« Reply #15752 on: August 01, 2014, 02:41:41 PM » |
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Yes you do. Just give it a try after you optimized it in 3DS Max and then saving it while importing the dae file into Brawlbox.
Also, just a heads up; the Tristripper may be able to reduce the poly count, but whatever poly count left over, whether it's more than 20,000 may still cause lag regardless.
So there.
That's what I was afraid of. I managed to reduce the number of polygons/vertices to half its number, but anything lower causes severe quality degradation, like, it looks really bad. At this point, it can't be salvaged and must abandoned due to the sheer nature of the model itself. It would be better to make a custom model from scratch but with a much lower polygon and vertex count. It's not going to work out because it'll look absolutely horrible when it's done being optimized, and I want it to look as good as possible. short of miraculously understanding 3D modelling, yeah, I'll have to think of another plan, another idea for a WIP. To be realistic, it will look worse than the SFA version with that much poly reduction. Too bad my mind's incapable of learning to make them from scratch  |
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« Reply #15753 on: August 01, 2014, 03:45:03 PM » |
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Uhm, so the Mario MMD models have less polys...  Well that makes sense, there are few custom Mario models that are extremely high poly, I doubt the Wii U Mario models even get that high. lol I recommend you use the Tristripper as well when you model import.  I rarely import models that high poly, but I might look into that to reduce the lag that the M&L Bros make.....at some point. |
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I make YouTube videos, SM64 hacks, Brawl Hacks (obviously), NSMBW hacks, and GoldenEye 007 Mods. I also have a short attention span and tend to switch around a lot and put things on hold. But when I do finish things, 95% of the time I gave 120% effort, the other 5% of the time I give 100% effort.
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« Reply #15754 on: August 02, 2014, 08:58:15 AM » |
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It's been too long. Someone had to do this.
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« Reply #15755 on: August 02, 2014, 09:04:17 AM » |
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It's been too long. Someone had to do is.
OH MY! I agree!!! And I'd love to texture it :3 |
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« Reply #15756 on: August 02, 2014, 10:40:58 AM » |
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It's been too long. Someone had to do this.
Would've done it if I had decent modeling skills, which I don't. xD I'm assuming that's on Ice Climbers with the hammer, so think you'll do a Luigi version over Nana since Mini Luigi is now a thing? |
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I make YouTube videos, SM64 hacks, Brawl Hacks (obviously), NSMBW hacks, and GoldenEye 007 Mods. I also have a short attention span and tend to switch around a lot and put things on hold. But when I do finish things, 95% of the time I gave 120% effort, the other 5% of the time I give 100% effort.
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« Reply #15757 on: August 02, 2014, 10:45:23 AM » |
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Would've done it if I had decent modeling skills, which I don't. xD I'm assuming that's on Ice Climbers with the hammer, so think you'll do a Luigi version over Nana since Mini Luigi is now a thing?
Or mini mario and mini Peach |
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« Reply #15758 on: August 02, 2014, 11:00:13 AM » |
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Or mini mario and mini Peach
Mini Peach is something I would love to have with Mini Mario. Hell, I'd even rig it. |
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« Reply #15759 on: August 02, 2014, 01:44:08 PM » |
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It's been too long. Someone had to do this.
This remind me when I wanted to do this but I stopped because of lack of modeling and rigging skills D: Looks really promising, I can't wait for it |
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« Reply #15760 on: August 02, 2014, 02:00:29 PM » |
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Or mini mario and mini Peach
Mini Peach is something I would love to have with Mini Mario.
Hell, I'd even rig it.
How about different characters instead of recolors? |
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I make YouTube videos, SM64 hacks, Brawl Hacks (obviously), NSMBW hacks, and GoldenEye 007 Mods. I also have a short attention span and tend to switch around a lot and put things on hold. But when I do finish things, 95% of the time I gave 120% effort, the other 5% of the time I give 100% effort.
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« Reply #15761 on: August 02, 2014, 02:25:24 PM » |
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I'd be fine with that... But it's all up to ShadowLuigi
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« Reply #15762 on: August 02, 2014, 02:35:42 PM » |
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How about different characters instead of recolors?
yep, like: MiniMario-Luigi MiniMario-Peach MiniLuigi-Daisy MiniPeach-Pauline ..... but it would be tooo much model work |
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« Reply #15763 on: August 02, 2014, 11:54:24 PM » |
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 Almost done. This model was originally a frankestein using most of the Judgement model, but as I go on, I end up building my own parts to replace the messy Judgement part. The Torso, Shoulders, and Arms have been retextured and I remodeled the Shoulders, Arms, Torso, and Pelt from scratch to have cleaner topology, which is easier to work with and rig. It also makes the model slightly smaller in Tris/Faces too. I remodeled the fur as well, but I'm not exactly sure how I can get the Fur on his pelt to look really good...... Only things left from the judgement model would be the face, neck, and hands. |
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« Reply #15764 on: August 02, 2014, 11:54:39 PM » |
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Also, just a heads up; the Tristripper may be able to reduce the poly count, but whatever poly count left over, whether it's more than 20,000 may still cause lag regardless.
You keep repeating that the tirstiper reduces polycount. It doesn't. The polycount remains the same, if it has 20,000 tris, it'll keep 20,000 tris. What it does is that it saves the triangles in a way that takes less space, in strips, hence tristripper. It's not a magic tool, it just saves a bit of space, he'd still have to optimize those huge models. |
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