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So as of May 1st, what is the most comprehensive Brawl Ex pack?

Thank you for that information I'll try it soon. What about Roy?

Hey everyone - I've got most of the ones I need covered, but the data partition in resources seems to be missing everything after T in the toy/fig folder, meaning I can't find WolfR1.brres.

Would anyone happen to have this file?

Also, I need a Roy trophy but that doesn't seem to exist in Brawl - how can I get my hands on the trophy from Melee?

[Post Merge: November 15, 2014, 05:37:10 AM]

Ever since I posted about Meowth using gadgets, I've been thinking about him over Snake. I just thought it might be too crazy to actually post. You read my mind, and you have my kudos.
Post Merge: November 15, 2014, 05:37:10 AM
And holy [censored] so many of these moves are exactly what I was thinking as well. Your down-smash creating a mine/pitfall is a perfect call back to the pitfalls Team Rocket constantly digs for Ash and crew, and the bomb barrage is exactly what I had in mind.

You don't need too much of a modeler for the balloon, I think, since it's just his head and his paw with a basket.

The most important attention to detail that you took note of was that TR's Meowth cannot use Pay-day. Good work.

I'd make Side-B "Bite" and have him lunge toward the enemy and bite them, similar to Diddy's kick.

Meowth has so much potential, I'm actually excited that it has a chance of becoming a thing.

Before I start looking into the things you asked me to, my votes in your poll go toward Little Mac and Meowth - both of whom should have been in Smash before Wii U/3DS. There are certain characters I've never understood the appeal of as playable characters. Looking at your poll and it's results, I don't understand how Sceptile, Blaziken, Swampert, and Deoxys have so many votes. Since it's Team Rocket's Meowth specifically, it opens the door to non-Pokemon moves and gadgets. That could be a lot of fun.

It's not really just putting a tag on it, it's using what he can do in a way you haven't seen. At least with the shockwave punch, you know it can destroy the ground and that it hits a massive area. Who knows the kind of power that would have had if he used it on Link directly?

The energy thing: If you're close enough to it, I'm nearly certain it damages you, so wherever the source comes from it's something to work with. Unless I'm wrong about it damaging you.

I'm  not sure how it works, but if you're using Lucario as a base, doesn't he have graphics you can replace? What are you doing with his force-palm blast?

[Post Merge: November 11, 2014, 11:10:53 PM]

My constructive criticism has included alternatives. You can do variations of certain moves and retain the flair you want. Consider a character like Little Mac: If you use just what we know he can do, it leaves a ton of holes. You fill in those holes with variations and assumptions that make sense. In your case, a dragon is only relevant based on the name of one of his moves in Smash Bros. Think of which moves are most important to his character: Shockwave Punch, Energy Ball, Spread-Energy Ball. His shockwave punch is only shown in game to be used on the ground, but that doesn't mean he can't put all of that force into punch directed at an opponent (thus why Warlock Punch makes sense). Using that logic, you've just filled in two spots with a single move. Down-Smash or Down-B can punch into the ground, causing the shockwave, and F-Smash or Side-B can direct that shockwave punch directly into an opponent instead. This same reasoning applies to any of his moves. You've already begun the process of thinking creatively with what he can do and got the spread-energy balls as an up-attack. Keep at it like that. In what other ways can you use his regular energy ball, spread-energy ball, and sword?
Post Merge: November 11, 2014, 11:10:53 PM
Another way you can fill gaps is to take parts of things you know he can do and reuse them in ways you wouldn't normally think, for example:

Up-Tilt: Ganondorf raises his hand draws lightning from multiple directions toward his hand.
In OoT, he does this to create his energy balls. In Smash, it can be assumed safely that he can stop before the energy ball is formed and use it as a quick method of damaging anyone within range of the bolts.

When he gets up after Link smacks the crap out of him, he floats up for a second before stretching all of his limbs with tiny energy particles shooting from his body. That's another thing you can work with.
Post Merge: November 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
Last little bit of suggestion:
As Ganondorf, before he becomes Ganon, his last resort is to destroy his tower.

https://youtu.be/-yh1g9B_eBY?t=9m3s

When he uses his final smash, he can begin to glow like he does in the video, and do one of a few options. He can let out a giant burst of energy like a lot of hacks do, he can shake the entire screen and damage anyone who's touching the ground, he do multiple Pow-block effects, or he can pit-fall everyone within range followed by a burst.

He seems dead set on the dragon, which is fine in itself. The hacker is at liberty to do as they will. Just don't give it a misleading title so that when people download it without having seen this thread (most people) won't wonder why the hell there's a dragon.

@"No one was attacking your criticism"
"I'm not sure why you care so much. But hey, you can't please everyone." "I don't know what the fuss is."
Those are two lines that invalidate my criticism.

You're kinda overlooking things, Riddler. It's just two moves. Everything else is going to reflect his canon abilities. I don't see what the fuss is about. I mean, I can understand your concern if he made the dragon thing a gimmick, but it's only for two moves, so I think he's fine.

Not to mention, things are listed as WIP for a reason. He could possibly scrap the dragon thing all together. Also, his poll has the majority of voters picking the dragon option, so I'm not sure why you care so much. But hey, you can't please everyone.

I care because if this is going into the vault as "OoT" Ganondorf, it should reflect what he can actually do and represent the character accurately in anything he's not canonically able to do, otherwise the name is misleading. Minus the weird names in his Smash Bros. moves, Ganondorf has literally nothing to do with dragons. Zant/Stallord may be an argument, but not only is it a huge stretch, it's TP, not OoT. I'm sorry that I don't blindly support things and that constructive criticism is such a bad thing (seems to be a trend at this site). Artistic freedom is fine when you don't have anything to work with, but if you DO have source material, you should work with it. Ganondorf has so much potential without having to invent things.

As for the "it's just two moves" argument: Special moves define a character, and as of Brawl, Final Smashes REALLY define a character. That's why it's important.

I don't mind if he includes it, I just don't like the misleading name. It's not an accurate portrayal.

Don't call it "OoT Ganondorf" then, because it's misleading, and anyone who goes to download it will be confused.

[Neutral B:]

I'm panning to include everything you've listed (Beast Ganon, Energy Ball assault which I'm assuming is that beam thing he does, and riding his horse) . But even with that, I need to come up with moves to cover up the holes in this moveset.

If you have a problem with it, you're more than welcome to edit it after I release it to fit to your liking. You could remove the dragons from both Gerudo Dragon and the FS, add a couple of gfx and you're golden.

But that's not what I want to do. I want my OoT Ganon to have flair. Not just "Oh, he used magic, ok". I want to hear "Holy [censored] where did that come from?"


Here's a list from the Zelda Wiki outlining the attacks used by Ganondorf:

Energy balls - included
Shock wave punches - included
Spread energy balls - included

Other things he's done:

Reflect stuff with his cape - included
turns into Beast Ganon - included
Rides a horse - included
Fly around - included

Honestly, that's about it. What do you want me to do? Include him playing an Organ so it's more "OoT Authentic"?

I hope you're not taking offense to this criticism. The hack as a whole is looking good, but the authenticity is killed with the random dragon.

There are plenty of things you can do to add flair without adding things that are completely irrelevant.

My opinions:
The final smash should probably be Beast Ganon, since that's his last resort in the game.
Neutral B: Energy Ball. Big damage, slower speed than side-b.
Side B: 5x Homing Energy Balls- Consider Samus' homing missile as inspiration. Easy to dodge, but unblockable. Less damage than energy ball.
Up-B: Levitate. Self-explanitory. Probably no damage but great recovery.
Down-B: Ground-punch. massive shockwave AOE damage and/or stun effect

Alternately: Neutral B: Energyball/Homing Energyball. As you charge it, input a direction to determine whether it's a regular ball or the 5x spread, giving Ganondorf ways to play mindgames.
Side B: Horse-Dash, similar to Wario's motorcycle.

Grab: If possible, encase them in a crystal like he would to Zelda.

A attacks can all be different punches, kicks, and sword attacks.
Post Merge: November 11, 2014, 10:14:30 PM
Further Alternately: The ground-punch can be his down smash, with big startup lag, with Down-B as your cape reflect.

Artistic Freedom.

It's a huge factor. Take Captain Falcon for example lol

At that point it's not "OoT Ganondorf" anymore though. Putting the OoT on it implies it's based directly on it. A good final smash would be either a controllable Ganon transformation or his energy ball assault. Or rushing through on his horse. The dragon is just completely unrelated to him. Other than that it all looks great, it's just that the dragon is completely out . Captain Falcon's artistic freedom stemmed from him having no out-of-vehicle animations to work with. Ganondorf has plenty to work with.

If it's OoT Ganondorf, what does the dragon have to do with anything?
Hell, aside from the name of his side-b in Smash, what do dragons have to do with Ganondorf at all?

Damn shame. Geno was my single most anticipated hack ever since I discovered this place.