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« Reply #2490 on: July 23, 2011, 12:05:15 PM » |
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SDo0m? Aaf won... He has the right to pick whatever he wants, don't back out of that now, and say "I don't want to", if Aaf wants something, he should get it. And last time I checked, Aafyre also decided, upon his free will, to let me in as part of the decision making, as well as making a poll to let up guys have some choice. After all, I'm the one making the PSA. If I don't enjoy making it, it won't turn out as good. Yes Aafyre won the tourney, but hacking is a hobby and always shall be. I should at least have the right to not be forced into something I don't want to do.
Plain and simple. Aafyre has narrowed it down to 5 choices, I personally am having trouble picking between these 5. I just gave my two cents, and offering opinions on which characters would be good so that I can make a character that Aafyre can enjoy. I think Aafyre should make the final choice though. |
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« Reply #2491 on: July 23, 2011, 12:30:02 PM » |
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As enthusiastic about Groudon I was before, I'm not too sure about him now. Not because I don't want to do him (quite the opposite actually), but because I don't want it to overshadow KJ's and Velen's Bowser PSA that they're developing since I know a lot of hard work is going into that, and it just wouldn't feel right for me to just come in and make something that overshadows their hack that they put heart and soul into. It would eat away at my conscience...
So what if it "overshadows" another Bowser PSA?
People will simply use whichever PSA they like and want.
It would be rather stupid of me to say: "Hmmm.. I want to make a hack over Zelda, but I won't because it would be so great that other hacks wouldn't be noticed..."
People have different taste and preferences, you can't be sure that everyone will get Groudon and nobody will get KJP's PSA
Or... are both PSA's gonna be released at the same time, and be similar, to be actually "competing"? I highly doubt it.
If you want to do Groudon, and Aafyre wants him too, DO IT. |
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« Reply #2492 on: July 23, 2011, 12:39:51 PM » |
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Whoever gets picked, I would be more than happy to help do the research and come up with ideas for the moveset. I own all three Disgaea games (getting the fourth when it comes out in a couple months) so I'd be able to help out with that.
I'm not exactly sure on how to do this, but it would be great if the final decision could be a joint one between me and SDo0m. I'm not really picky at all and I would really enjoy playing with any of these. Personally, what's most important to me is that SDo0m ends up with one that he'll enjoy making. If he makes something that he doesn't really care for, the end result will probably not be quite as impressive as if he had enthusiasm and actually wanted to work on it.
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« Reply #2493 on: July 23, 2011, 12:43:18 PM » |
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I agree so much with Asuka's post...
He made a very good point, there's no reason to not make a PSA, just because someone else is working on a PSA for the same base.
Groudon and that other one... Will be very different, different tastes and all that, some might not want a huge character like Groudon, some might... It all depends on the person downloading it, some might even alternate between the two move sets.
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« Reply #2494 on: July 23, 2011, 12:48:16 PM » |
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Yeah, I don't think that Bowser having a PSA being worked on should be too big a factor in influencing your decision. If you worry too much about overshadowing other PSA's of characters, you'll eventually run into a wall and won't be able to make a PSA over anyone.
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« Reply #2495 on: July 23, 2011, 12:54:45 PM » |
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So what if it "overshadows" another Bowser PSA?
People will simply use whichever PSA they like and want.
It would be rather stupid of me to say: "Hmmm.. I want to make a hack over Zelda, but I won't because it would be so great that other hacks wouldn't be noticed..."
People have different taste and preferences, you can't be sure that everyone will get Groudon and nobody will get KJP's PSA
Or... are both PSA's gonna be released at the same time, and be similar, to be actually "competing"? I highly doubt it.
If you want to do Groudon, and Aafyre wants him too, DO IT.
I wish you were right, I really do. But the fact of the matter is, you aren't. People are much, MUCH more likely to download a PSA of a character they know than of an OC, no matter how well done and creative it is. Quality is disregarded over who the character is. That's how this community is and always will be. If you saw KJ's PSA topic, you'd understand his situation a bit better. He's been sad as of late because of the fact that his stuff is being overshadowed and not getting the appreciation it deserves. Not to mention, Velen's working on it too. Partially because it's his moveset and he wants to make it the best he can and partially because he wants to help KJ out as much as possible to help him get the recognition it deserves.
The hacks don't even need to be released at the same time. Whenever I release Groudon, it won't be doing him a favour (this of course applies if I start developing Groudon now/very soon). There are so many factors with Groudon that would allow him to get a lot of downloads. He's a much loved legendary Pokemon, the vertex got a crazy amount of downloads in such a short space of time (it got 371 in the first day alone). People would download the PSA it even if it sucked. Look at all the bad/mediocre hacks there are that get downloads for simply being a well like character. Not to mention it's being made by me. My stuff usually gets a very good reception (as arrogant as this sounds, it's the cold hard truth) as far as downloads go.
My point is, this is less about hacking. This is about doing the right thing for a friend. As I said before, it just wouldn't feel right for me to just make Groudon now. It'd be going against who I am.
This said though, that doesn't mean I won't make Groudon at all. Heck I spent a quite a bit of time creating the moveset and some of the people here posted some really nice ideas for him. Heck, I'd even add the moveset to my OP. Just don't expect him any time soon. Infact, I'll put his moveset in my OP as a personal project for the future, and do one of the other hacks specifically for Aafyre now. That way, we kill two birds with one stone and more people are happy. |
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« Reply #2496 on: July 23, 2011, 01:11:49 PM » |
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I agree with sDo0m in many ways, this isn't about him not wanting to make something over Bowser because there's another PSA in development. It's because his friends are working their butts off and he doesn't want to make their effort be thrown aside because of the Groudon PSA. It's a fact, people tend to grab PSA's of more popular PSA makers then less known ones.
To be honest, i'm seriously surprised you people pick hacks above people. In a very bad way.
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« Reply #2497 on: July 23, 2011, 01:16:58 PM » |
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How about you guys decide on another hack, that isn't Groundon? From the looks of it, SDo0m doesn't want to do it, SDo0m is not gonna do it, SDo0m is the one that knows PSAing. I see you guys point of view, and agree with some things, but you've hit a brick wall. Aafyre is just going with the flow, so we all should as well. I don't know about PSA, but I much rather work on a stage of something I like, and I look forward to. It motivates me more that way. Besides, there is like 10 other characters on the poll.  |
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« Reply #2498 on: July 23, 2011, 01:20:33 PM » |
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Sdooms well since bowser has like one article he can be ported easily just needs to replace the N-B i know you dont do ports but i bet someone might do if groundon is out considering is popularity like mariodk did to your shadow over DK we can look at it by that point too and yes i know Kjp is making bowser psa but there are alot of ppl who dont even like pokemon and like mario character the most so they will download bowser psa instead the groudon one i only use two of your psas becuase i dont really know or like the other characters even tho claud has tons of downloads i dont use it i use another one so as you can see taste difer from user to user and if you can wair until kinjiglipuff releases his psa like a month later if another psa is released it wont affect his downloads also so becuase i noticed you made a sonic character a FF/KH character a marvel character you have planned a megaman , FE and street fighter character planned to cover a few more franchises a pokemon psa would fit well among the other  |
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« Reply #2499 on: July 23, 2011, 01:29:52 PM » |
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That's totally understandable SDo0m. Like I said, I'd be happy with almost anything so I don't really need Groudon. Based on what I've heard from you in the last few posts, it looks like Seymour and Groudon are out of the top 5. I guess that means that it's narrowed down to:
Boba Fett
Etna
Electabuzz
If we're going based on votes, Etna seems to be the most popular out of the three so that's something to consider when making the final decision.
Most likely, it's going to end up being one of these three but if there's enough interest something else and both I and SDo0m agree on it, that's always a possibility. If there's anything not in the top 3 besides the options I eliminated for specific reasons (Sub-Zero, Groudon, Bowser jr., Banjo, any Final Fantasy character) that you guys are really interested in seeing (even if they weren't on my poll), we can take those into consideration too.
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« Reply #2500 on: July 23, 2011, 01:36:55 PM » |
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That's totally understandable SDo0m. Like I said, I'd be happy with almost anything so I don't really need Groudon. Based on what I've heard from you in the last few posts, it looks like Seymour and Groudon are out of the top 5. I guess that means that it's narrowed down to:
Boba Fett
Etna (Psychryphias fits perfectly with Etna's moveset anyways)
Electabuzz
from those i think diddy kong is the only character who doesnt even have a psa so doing electabuzz it wouldnt overshadow anyone psa i fell bad for groudon by winning he lost his chance lol |
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« Reply #2501 on: July 23, 2011, 01:42:23 PM » |
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« Reply #2502 on: July 23, 2011, 01:45:29 PM » |
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Is that an official game or is that another fan game like Mugen? Either way, it does a good job representing a lot of moves Etna does in Disgaea. That video should be really helpful if she ends up getting chosen.
I'd like to try to revamp the face of my Electabuzz sometime but Diddy Kong's face is extremely confusing. Maybe if I ever decide to learn how to bake textures in 3DS Max, I can try that.
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« Reply #2503 on: July 23, 2011, 01:47:11 PM » |
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from those i think diddy kong is the only character who doesnt even have a psa so doing electabuzz it wouldnt overshadow anyone psa i fell bad for groudon by winning he lost his chance lol
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« Reply #2504 on: July 23, 2011, 01:52:59 PM » |
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I wish you were right, I really do. But the fact of the matter is, you aren't. People are much, MUCH more likely to download a PSA of a character they know than of an OC, no matter how well done and creative it is. Quality is disregarded over who the character is. That's how this community is and always will be. I know that, I've been in the brawl hacking community for years, so I completely understand this, but you seem to have missed my point entirely.
Most people will always prefer to download something just because it's their fave overrated character, even if the hack itself is awful... and sadly that's never gonna change.
BUT, there's room for everyone and everything in the community.
If KJP makes an original Bowser PSA, there will be lots of people willing to try it out, because not everyone is willing to replace all their Bowsers for Groudon recolors with a Groudon PSA.
If you saw KJ's PSA topic, you'd understand his situation a bit better. He's been sad as of late because of the fact that his stuff is being overshadowed and not getting the appreciation it deserves. I've seen it. Maybe I don't usually post in hacking threads, but I keep up to date with everything that happens in the forums.
I know about KJP's current situation, but he needs to understand that we're in this because we like this hobby... not simply to please others or gain some kind of fame.
If someone is hacking for those reasons then I can say that it won't last long.
Many people download his stuff, he's even a member of the KC MM team, so his work actually receives attention.
He does original stuff, stuff he likes... then, he should enjoy doing what he likes, instead of worrying about people not posting in his thread, because as I already stated, many people download the things he makes.
My point is, this is less about hacking. This is about doing the right thing for a friend. As I said before, it just wouldn't feel right for me to just make Groudon now. It'd be going against who I am. If that's what you feel like, then there's nothing to do, you can do whatever you want and I'm sure you will.
I'm not trying to make you change your mind about it... the main thing I've been saying is that people should do what they want... and not feel restricted because of others.
This said though, that doesn't mean I won't make Groudon at all. Heck I spent a quite a bit of time creating the moveset and some of the people here posted some really nice ideas for him. Heck, I'd even add the moveset to my OP. Just don't expect him any time soon. Infact, I'll put his moveset in my OP as a personal project for the future, and do one of the other hacks specifically for Aafyre now. That way, we kill two birds with one stone and more people are happy.
That's cool then, because it would be a shame to see that you won't make something you want just to make someone else feel better.
It's ok if you want to support him by not making a hack in the same character, but he really shouldn't even feel bad about it imo.
To be honest, i'm seriously surprised you people pick hacks above people. In a very bad way.
What?
Is it a crime wanting to see a hack being made instead of saying, "don't do this or that", because you might hurt a certain hacker? |
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