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    « Reply #465 on: March 15, 2011, 09:16:43 PM »


    lol

    If you do that then yeah
    Also we need obj format support for the converter too Cheesy

    Kryal already has that set up to export, it's not done yet and I don't have time to fix it atm
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    « Reply #466 on: March 15, 2011, 09:24:55 PM »


    lol

    If you do that then yeah
    Also we need obj format support for the converter too Cheesy

    Kryal already has that set up to export, it's not done yet and I don't have time to fix it atm

    well yea...
    DAE's can handle tristrips, no matter what version they are...
    or do you mean conversion from triangles??

    anyways...
    yea... DAE's support them, OBJ's don't

    btw, I'm gonna add support for my own personnal file format Cheesy
    the .hxo file

    the extension stands for (HeX Obj) and the file will be just like obj format,
    but transform the floats and indexes and such into hex...
    not to mention the addition of bones or anything else Smiley

    note: this is a personnal format meaning I may use it in my own games
    but not games for my system <.<
    only simple PC games or whatever

    EDIT:
    O.o wait... derrrrp
    that wasn't a reply to me... :|
    whatever >.> <.<
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    « Reply #467 on: March 15, 2011, 09:37:19 PM »


    lol
    Toll had a brain fart Tongue
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    « Reply #468 on: March 15, 2011, 09:45:36 PM »


    why do you keep calling me Toll...
    it sound like troll X( (which I am not)
    it's Tcll (c not o)

    I got my name from being called 'Tech' in 4th grade
    but it got old <_<

    now I'm called Nintendo or TC

    but my tag will always be Tcll or "TeCh 2" if you extend it :/

    I mean...
    look at the style of the 'Tcll' in my sig...
    as if that don't look technical enough for ya... heh

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    yeh...
    I just kept using the clarify option in PSP7 and ended up with this neat effect Cheesy
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    « Reply #469 on: March 16, 2011, 01:32:37 AM »


    Just so everyone here knows making an entirely new model isn't as easy as you may think >.>

    Id just like to get a show of hands of who can actually model something from scratch, unwrap, texture, create a working skeleton and skin.

    Because by how everyone is talking they are making it seem like making a new model is easier than vertex editing.
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    « Reply #470 on: March 16, 2011, 06:44:50 AM »


    Just so everyone here knows making an entirely new model isn't as easy as you may think >.>

    Id just like to get a show of hands of who can actually model something from scratch, unwrap, texture, create a working skeleton and skin.

    Because by how everyone is talking they are making it seem like making a new model is easier than vertex editing.
    What about people who just want models from other games to be imported? Like rips of Melee stages/characters?

    I don't have very many plans; I just want Melee's Mewtwo model (which I have [no bones]) rigged with Lucario's Brawl skeleton (with the tail stretched to fit Mewtwo's tail before anchoring), and Melee's Roy Model (which I have [once again, no bones]) rigged with Brawl Marth's skeleton.

    I am going to ask a buddy of mine who went to school for digital animation to teach me how to make/anchor a working 3D model skeleton. This era in Brawl hacking should be fun.

    On a side note, was there not a way to extract the bones of a Brawl character? Like, didn't the pre-beta model extractor by Pharrox do that?
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    « Reply #471 on: March 16, 2011, 06:56:40 AM »


    Ok, I am past confused.....lol.

    In order to run the program with the mdl0 plugin and the obj exporter, what do i need to do/have?

    Can someone explain?
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    « Reply #472 on: March 16, 2011, 07:33:25 AM »


    Just so everyone here knows making an entirely new model isn't as easy as you may think >.>

    Id just like to get a show of hands of who can actually model something from scratch, unwrap, texture, create a working skeleton and skin.

    Because by how everyone is talking they are making it seem like making a new model is easier than vertex editing.

    I can easily rig, but my modelling skills officially suck...
    not to mention applying VGroups or I mean weights... (weights are what's in the 3D formatting terms)
    (VGroups are blender terms)

    I have completely made a char though...
    (took the blender gingerbread man tut a step further and added logic and made it work)

    but if I had to vote between vertexing and starting from scratch...
    well... depending on the edit being done,
     it can be from easy to about the same

    I'd have to say vertexing can be easier,
    if you're not doing a vertex that requires you to change the weights or the rig...
    then it can be just as much of a pain as starting over from scratch...

    Just so everyone here knows making an entirely new model isn't as easy as you may think >.>

    Id just like to get a show of hands of who can actually model something from scratch, unwrap, texture, create a working skeleton and skin.

    Because by how everyone is talking they are making it seem like making a new model is easier than vertex editing.

    What about people who just want models from other games to be imported? Like rips of Melee stages/characters?

    I don't have very many plans; I just want Melee's Mewtwo model (which I have [no bones]) rigged with Lucario's Brawl skeleton (with the tail stretched to fit Mewtwo's tail before anchoring), and Melee's Roy Model (which I have [once again, no bones]) rigged with Brawl Marth's skeleton.

    I am going to ask a buddy of mine who went to school for digital animation to teach me how to make/anchor a working 3D model skeleton. This era in Brawl hacking should be fun.

    On a side note, was there not a way to extract the bones of a Brawl character? Like, didn't the pre-beta model extractor by Pharrox do that?

    first off...
    stop thinking about using other chars rigs.
    I'm porting chars over chars while still being able to use the char...
    (well trying to anyways (if ever TSG finishes his bone tree editor))

    I want to get melee Pichu over Pikachu along with Pachirisu...
    I'm almost finished with Pachi...
    all I need are some dummy bones to fill in the places of the required bones...
    here's my planned rig for him:
    http://brawlimports.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=123145&thread=6&post=31
    (the yellow bones need to be added, the green bones are his)

    Ok, I am past confused.....lol.

    In order to run the program with the mdl0 plugin and the obj exporter, what do i need to do/have?

    Can someone explain?

    all you need is Python 2.5 at least

    and the program in the correct folders...
    links:
    here's my main program:
    http://www.pasteit4me.com/2309014
    multi-reference importing doesn't work right

    here's my MDL0 plugin (what I have so far):
    http://www.pasteit4me.com/2309015

    and here's my OBJ export plugin (to test models):
    http://www.pasteit4me.com/2316003
    ^didn't comment very much here...

    folders:
    fileconvert_2.0b/
        plugins/
            brawl.py (mdl0 import (export will be added))
            obj.py (import will be added)
            UMC.py (backups plugin)
        backups/
            *import file*.tmp
        UMC.py (or .pyw) (main program)

    I'm such an idiot... XDD
    the backups I mantioned earlier... how are you supposed to even use them Tongue
    well here's the plugin for that: (UMC.py)
    http://www.pasteit4me.com/2315004

    note, the backups are in my format,
    so if ever you want to look at them, feel free Smiley

    also, keep in mind this is only a dummy release...

    it'll be quite alot better and also have more plugins and an installer when I actually release this.
    along with a guide to making your own plugins Smiley (why I called it UMC)

    you could pretty much compair this program to winamp...
    the filetype/conversion is supported by the plugin Wink
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    « Reply #473 on: March 16, 2011, 09:53:40 AM »


    OT:
    can your text editor do this: Awesome Face

    ^I'm editing 3 places at once in my mdl0 template for HexEdit

    Notepad++ FTW

    Q: why am I using a text editor instead of HexEdit's template manager?
    A: HexEdit can't copy/paste IF statements (only DATA statements in an edit block)

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    I just found this extremely useful feature Tongue
    and I just had to be a little kid and post about it Laugh
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    « Reply #474 on: March 17, 2011, 09:27:37 AM »


    btw guys,
    if you make any changes to my code, and actually get something working,

    please let me know
    you will get credit for your change Smiley
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    But the coolest part was that you didn't stop working on it despite that.

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    « Reply #475 on: March 18, 2011, 11:05:24 AM »


    Just so everyone here knows making an entirely new model isn't as easy as you may think >.>

    Id just like to get a show of hands of who can actually model something from scratch, unwrap, texture, create a working skeleton and skin.

    Because by how everyone is talking they are making it seem like making a new model is easier than vertex editing.

    me! me! I can do that!

    not that im interested in modeling characters, im more interested in stage stuff Smiley
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    « Reply #476 on: March 18, 2011, 11:13:04 AM »


    well...
    IDK what the problem is for my converter...

    I've written a little debug info for the converter on the obj plugin...
    it's not that at all... :/

    here's the log:
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    Objects:
    [1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 3, 2, 0][3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0][1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 2, 2, 0][2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0][1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 2, 2, 0][2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0][1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 2, 2, 0][2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0][1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 2, 2, 0][2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0][1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0]
    ^mdl0 log info
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    triangles = true
    tristrips = true

    ['<', 'faces', 'polygon1', 'v', '', '', '', '', '81|22|75|12|11|10|9|8|5|13|4|14|7|38|41|63|42|64|52|65|66|57|67|68|53|54|48|55|86|35|77|37|78/55|54|35|36|34|71|31|72|32|59|56|57|58|60|40|39|23/65|64|57|63|62|38|39|14|23|13|24|21', '', '', '>\n']
    tristrips = true

    ['<', 'faces', 'polygon2', 'v', '', '', '', '', '78|37|77|36|86|55|49|54|53|68|67|58|66|65|52|64|41|63|42|38|7|14|4|13|5|8|10|9/55|36|54|35|70|71|58|72|59|31|56|46|57|47|40|43|28|44/85|48|18|19|17|27|26|25|6|7|1|4|5/81|75|22|12|9|11|10|74|15|73|16', '', '', '>\n']
    tristrips = true

    ['<', 'faces', 'polygon3', 'v', '', '', '', '', '83|76|35|36|33|32|31|29|30|44|45|43|42|28|39|23|38|14|37|7|41|25|40|27|51|50|65|66|57|67|68|53|69|34|70|33|31/82|47|18|19|17|27|26|25|6|7|1|4|5|13|8|20|21/6|1|3|2|16|15|72|73|77|78', '', '', '>\n']
    tristrips = true

    ['<', 'faces', 'polygon4', 'v', '', '', '', '', '76|83|34|54|53|47|52|49|66|50|65|51|64|63|56|62|61|37|38|14|23|13|24|21/80|82|48|19|18|17|26|27|25|6|7|1|4|5|13|8|21|20/76|34|36|33|32|30|29|31|44|45|43|42|28|39|23|38', '', '', '>\n']
    tristrips = true

    if you look into my global format, you'll notice the list for the 'faces' object list is the proper length...
    format: http://tcll5850.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=umcrel&thread=81&page=1

    the only last option I can think of on the obj side is the tristrip to triangle conversion :/
    here's an example of how that's suposed to play out:

    tristrip: 6|1|3|2|16|15|72|73|77|78

    triangles:
    6|1|3
    1|3|2
    3|2|16
    2|16|15
    16|15|72
    . . .

    so yea...
    IDK what's up yet...

    EDIT:
    well...
    there's nothing wrong at all with my obj plugin

    now I know for sure it's the mdl0 plugin...
    but what is it :/
    these indexes are outrageous >_>
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    « Reply #477 on: March 21, 2011, 05:47:05 PM »


    It's been a while since i last looked at this thread and i have to say AMAZING job on getting this close to having it finished i applaud you for that *applause*
    BTW about how close percentage wise is the importer to being finished?
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    « Reply #478 on: March 21, 2011, 06:51:31 PM »


    It's been a while since i last looked at this thread and i have to say AMAZING job on getting this close to having it finished i applaud you for that *applause*
    BTW about how close percentage wise is the importer to being finished?

    Though it seems like it's nearly done, I'm not exactly sure how long it'll take to finish. A lot of values required for export aren't set and I'm not sure how to set them or if I'll need to count the size of everything to get offsets. I'm just studying Kryal's code at the moment, testing things out. I'll post when I get stuff to work.
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    « Reply #479 on: March 22, 2011, 01:07:54 AM »


    Not to mention that even if it works in Dolphin, it mightn't necessarily work on the actual hardware. RTB ran into that issue when he was messing with adding polygons to models. You also see it when you're trying to load textures that aren't powers of two.
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