Vaanrose Custom Imports: Mewthree out in the Wild

[K+ ~ Tanuki God]

I'm now subb'd to this thread  That Mewtwo Form/Mewthree looks amazing.   It looks better than the one in-game (X & Y)

[Chaos_Knight]

It looks better than the one in-game (X & Y)

Well of course it's better because models from 3DS games are supposed to look a little blocky. Similar to PSP games.

[Vaanrose]

Since he's nice and low-poly (5000 triangles, after edits), I went ahead and rounded his "spoiler" more, and sharpened his hips to look a bit more like the concept art.

Any last changes people think he needs before I dive into the rig?

[Flygon]

He looks perfect so far!
When I grow up I wanna be liek you.









inb4mewcario3shadowmew3mewkrai3mewarceus3projectM ew3MarsMew3fakeshiny3
...I suck at the inb4 thing

[Chaos_Knight]

I'd say rig that sucka already.

I can quickly make recolors for you, if you want to include some.

[K+ ~ Tanuki God]

Wait---THAT is low-poly?!

[Snoopy]

i can't remember if i already offered or not, but if you want, i can do some small bone edits so that MewThree's head tail can move with Lucario's tail, if you want.

[Vaanrose]

Wait---THAT is low-poly?!

I mean, it's not super low, but it's lower than Lucario is, so it's all relative.

i can't remember if i already offered or not, but if you want, i can do some small bone edits so that MewThree's head tail can move with Lucario's tail, if you want.

You did indeed. If the rig doesn't work like I'm thinking/hoping it will, I'll probably take you up on the offer.

[SmashClash]

Since he's nice and low-poly (5000 triangles, after edits), I went ahead and rounded his "spoiler" more, and sharpened his hips to look a bit more like the concept art.

Any last changes people think he needs before I dive into the rig?

lol no need for me to remix it now.
It was low poly looking to me at first especially the parts you just edited to make it more round.
Great job, he looks awesome.
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Oh, do you think you could make his toes and fingers be more poly because it's kind of clear to see the edges.

[Segtendo]

I see nothing that needs improving, although I'd do what SC said and smooth the toes a little.

[SmashClash]

I see nothing that needs improving, although I'd do what SC said and smooth the toes a little.

Yeah, just this.

[Vaanrose]

Mmmkay. So good news, and bad news. News.

The tail works pretty well with Lucario. Not perfect, but still pretty good considering it's attached to his head.



But over Mewtwo? Uh... not so much.

So. Bone edits.  When I attempted them with Cranky (moved the tie bones to his beard), it looked fine in BrawlBox. The animations played just as I expected. But in game? The joints were rotated 90 degrees to the right.

What I'm worried about with Mewthree here is the way Mewtwo holds his tail doesn't quite work with Mewthree's. Mewtwo holds his tail up. Mewthree holds his tail down, since it comes off the back of his head. It'd look ridiculous for the tail to be held up high way above his head. He'll look even more top-heavy then he does now.

So what I'm thinking right now that might work is to shift the tail bones about half way up his back and a little further out, and to reshape his tail to fit it. This way when he holds the tail up like Mewtwo, it doesn't stick so ridiculously high up, but the tail bones are still high up to avoid some of the clipping errors I'm getting now.

The other option is I don't do bone edits at all, and instead leave the tail rigged only to the head. I'd re-sculpt the tail to look more like the artwork in this case, since it's only shaped the way it is now so it could be rigged to the tail. Although I'd still probably get the clipping errors I get with the current version to some degree.

Whatever happens, I'll probably leave the Lucario version how it is (after smoothing the rig out more, of course) because it's pretty decent. Some clipping errors here and there, but I think those are unavoidable no matter how I do it, since the tail is so big.

And I smoothed his digits.


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Edit:

Okay, so I managed to get a bone edit working in game the same way it does in BrawlBox. I don't know what I did differently compared to Cranky, but there you go. Anyway, new problem. Random stray faces/verts that flash across the screen. Quick, like a fraction of second, but still long enough to annoy the crap out of you.

I've seen this before on psas I've downloaded, and even some sizemods I've done for myself. I tested Newtwo with vBrawl, Brawl- and with that Mewtwo PSA and he glitches in all three, and when he's in the scene with another Lucario he makes them glitch, too.

Ain't no way I'm releasing a mod that does that, but I don't have the slightest clue what's going on.

So yeah.

[BlueBrain]

tbh, that happens to me with ike, when u jump.
and it happens with the original files...
so i dont know if it's fixable...

[BlackJax96]

I could check it out, I've dealt with enough models exploding/flashing/glitching in the past lol

[Vaanrose]

I could check it out, I've dealt with enough models exploding/flashing/glitching in the past lol

If it happens again maybe. Thanks, though.

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So basically, here's how things are looking. I've tried a dozen different tail placements rigged a dozen different ways, and every time, no matter how fine it looks in all the other animations, it's the run animation that kills it. The Mewtwo PSA just rotates his head too far back.

What I'd like to do, since it's a relatively easy fix, is simply edit those animations. There's like six animations total that are messed up, but they're terrible enough that they bring the quality of the entire hack down too much for my tastes. If I just go into brawlbox and rotate his neck like 20 degrees down, it looks a million times better.

AGFan hasn't been active since January. I have no intention of re-releasing his entire hack with like six animations barely changed, but do you think it would be kosher for me to export those particular animation files, edited to work with Mewthree better, and include them in the download with instructions on how to replace them yourself?

Because I feel like people are gonna use this guy with the Mewtwo PSA whether I think it looks good or not, so I'd like to do what I can to up the overall quality.