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    « on: September 21, 2014, 04:01:38 PM »


    This is an idea I've had for years now, but never really bothered making a project out of.

    What if there was a character, a single character that had the best possible of every possible aspect of Brawl?

    The best jab. The best jump height. The best body build. The best running speed. The best up-air. The best of everything there is to be, but in one single character.

    For example. Let's take that Snake's up-tilt is the best up-tilt in the game (just an example). So, this character would have it. Sonic's speed is the best in the game. So that would be this character's speed.

    So, in a sense, this would be the Master of Brawl, the character that takes the best of all the Brawlers to himself.

    For this to be possible, there needs to be a little bit of discussion first. Some things, like running speed, for example, are quite obvious, but some, not so much.

    Here in the OP, inside the spoilers in the end of the post, I'll list the decisions for everything that we discuss.

    BRAWL ROSTER

    For the sake of quick checking, here's Brawl's full roster, with the characters we'll choose moves from:


    PICKING MOVES

    As for picking moves, when seeing which move is best, you have to think:

    1- Start Up. Does the move start quickly after input?
    2- Hitbox/Range. Is the hitbox big? Does it reach far?
    3 - Invincibility/Hurtbox. Does it make you invincible for some frames? Does it make you less vulnerable?
    4- Knockback/Damage. Does it send the opponent flying? Does it cause big % increase?
    5- Endlag. Does it take too much time before you can perform another action or even move at all?
    6- Punishment. Does it leave you too open if you miss or hit the shield?



    BODY BUILD
    CROUCH
    CRAWL
    RUNNING SPEED
    FALLING SPEED / WEIGHT
    1st JUMP HEIGHT
    2nd JUMP HEIGHT
    3rd JUMP HEIGHT
    4th JUMP HEIGHT
    5th JUMP HEIGHT
    GLIDE
    GLIDE ATTACK
    AERIAL MOBILITY
    JAB
    NAIR
    UAIR
    DAIR
    BAIR
    FAIR
    DASH ATTACK
    UTILT
    FTILT
    DTILT
    USMASH
    FSMASH
    DSMASH
    WALLJUMP
    NEUTRAL SPECIAL
    UP SPECIAL
    DOWN SPECIAL
    SIDE SPECIAL
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    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 04:26:41 PM »


    BASE CHARACTER



    Personally, I think we should start off from Metaknight. Why? Because he has a small body, just like Kirby and Jigglypuff, which allows him to have smaller body to hit. Aside from that, Metaknight has 5 jumps (the most in the game) AND a glide, something only him and Pit share. Last, but not least, Metaknight is possible to be cloned by BrawlEx, which makes him a good choice for a base character.

    BODY BUILD

    As I stated above, a smaller body is best. I'm unsure about which character is the smallest (MK, Jiggs or Kirby), so that is something to discuss.
    No matter which orb we choose, I'd suggest changing his face to a SmashBall, since it's best that it looks like something new, and having a Smashball as his face makes a lot of sense in this case.

    RUNNING SPEED

    Everyone else is TOO SLOW

    GLIDE

    All glides are about the same. Personally, I believe MK's is the best. The glide attack we can discuss whether it's Pit or MK's

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    « Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 04:32:05 PM »


    Or just leave it at Metaknight. Everyone would be fine with that Tongue
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    « Reply #3 on: September 21, 2014, 04:46:27 PM »


    interesting. iirc, Squirlte has the best Up smash in brawl. so we could use that. its quick, and powerful (lucas's is also just as strong i believe, but is slower)
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    « Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 04:53:50 PM »


    interesting. iirc, Squirlte has the best Up smash in brawl. so we could use that. its quick, and powerful (lucas's is also just as strong i believe, but is slower)

    Dunno... Zelda / Mario / Pikachu have also very good up-smashes.

    For the sake of quick checking, I'll put the roster in the OP


    EDIT: Man, Toon Link! Toon Link has a quick, strong and hard-to-punish Up Smash!
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    « Reply #5 on: September 21, 2014, 04:57:06 PM »


    after doing research, we are both wrong. its ivysaur.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2014, 05:00:19 PM »


    after doing research, we are both wrong. its ivysaur.

    Ivysaur's is the strongest, but is too slow to consistently use, don't you think? Same with Lucas.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 21, 2014, 05:04:26 PM »


    I feel its quicker than lucas's. someone whose better at these things might be able to tell us. from what i can tell, lucas's is slower
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    « Reply #8 on: September 21, 2014, 05:08:28 PM »


    I feel its quicker than lucas's. someone whose better at these things might be able to tell us. from what i can tell, lucas's is slower

    I can look at their frame data to see which lasts longer. However, I'll have to look a bit further to see which one has the hitbox coming out in less frames after input
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    « Reply #9 on: September 21, 2014, 05:10:16 PM »


    doing that type of stuff will definitely be helpful.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 21, 2014, 05:16:13 PM »


    I'll save some time to look at the files tomorrow. At least it's nice to have someone interested in the idea.

    If you want to help, you could look at the character boards in Smashboards. They usually have some frame data gathered by pro players.
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    « Reply #11 on: September 21, 2014, 05:18:54 PM »


    yeah. that sounds like a good idea. i really liek this idea, so it would be cool for it to happen
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    « Reply #12 on: September 21, 2014, 06:39:57 PM »


    Here would be my ideas:
    BODY BUILD: Kirby, because he's the smallest to hit, so the smallest target.
    RUNNING SPEED: Link, because he's decently fast, but not too fast that you'd end up accidentally running off the screen.(Which would be Sonic's running.)
    FALLING SPEED / WEIGHT: Ganondorf, because he's the heaviest character in the entire game, so hardest to knock off.
    1st JUMP HEIGHT: Samus; he has a high first-jump because of his anti-gravity thing.
    2nd JUMP HEIGHT: Yoshi; he definitely has the highest second jump; no doubt about it.
    3rd JUMP HEIGHT: Jigglypuff; a high 3rd jump.
    4th JUMP HEIGHT: Again Jigglypuff; a high jump again.
    5th JUMP HEIGHT: Again Jigglypuff; a high jump again.
    GLIDE: Pit.
    GLIDE ATTACK: ???
    AERIAL MOBILITY: Jigglypuff; she has ridiculous mobility when in air.
    JAB: Pikachu.
    NAIR: Marth; he has a very powerful neutral air.
    UAIR: Link.
    DAIR: Link.
    BAIR: ???
    DASH ATTACK: King Dedede has a very powerful dash attack.
    UTILT: Ganondorf's; one of the strongest moves in the game.
    FTILT: Sonic.
    DTILT: Samus.
    USMASH: Zelda.
    FSMASH: Ganondorf or Zelda.
    DSMASH: Pikachu.
    WALLJUMP: Mario.
    NEUTRAL SPECIAL: Zelda or Ness.
    UP SPECIAL: Ganondorf, King Dedede, Wolf, Link, or Marth.
    DOWN SPECIAL: Pikachu's; it's the most powerful and OP move in the entire game. Tongue
    SIDE SPECIAL: Zelda's; it's rediculously OP.

    P.S. Side Aerial Attack wasn't mentioned, and I think Ganondorf's is the most powerful. Also, I'm just curious(not flaming or anything) why you'd make a thread just to make a superly-overpowered character.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 21, 2014, 06:54:16 PM »


    Mine:

    BODY BUILD
     /   -they are a good size.
    CROUCH
      -best rouch. she is pretty much all flat
    CRAWL
      -I think he has the fastest crawl? i'm not sure
    RUNNING SPEED
      -i always found marth to have great speed. not too fast nor too slow
    FALLING SPEED / WEIGHT
      -it seems the best imo out of all the characters. he just plays so well in the air
    1st JUMP HEIGHT
      -he is known for jumping. it fits well
    2nd JUMP HEIGHT
      -same as above
    3rd JUMP HEIGHT
      -quckest jumping out of all the multijumpers
    4th JUMP HEIGHT
      -same as above
    5th JUMP HEIGHT
      -same as above
    GLIDE
      -i dont think the glides are different, but pit's feels the best
    GLIDE ATTACK
      -if its the one i am thinking of, it is multi hit (unless im thinking of his fair.)
    AERIAL MOBILITY
      -see previous lucas
    JAB
      -quick, easy to combo, and decent damage
    NAIR
      -quick, multihit, and does great damage
    UAIR
      -great damage dealer, and quick
    DAIR
      -quick and a great spiker
    BAIR
      -same as above
    FAIR
      -quick, and has great kb
    DASH ATTACK
      -he has armour on his dash attack iirc. plus he its powerful
    UTILT
      -great for knocking opponents into the air
    FTILT
      -really quick. great for combos and quick, decent damage
    DTILT
      -same as above (lucas just seems to be  great characer imo)
    USMASH
     / / all great, strong up smashes. and quick too (except lucas is the slower iirc)
    FSMASH
      -ness just has a great fsmash. that bat is great
    DSMASH
      -i imagine this as a multihit version of lucas's up smash
    WALLJUMP
      -ninja-like is usually the best for this stuff
    NEUTRAL SPECIAL
      -freezing is sorta op in this game.
    UP SPECIAL
      -multihit and great
    DOWN SPECIAL
      -reflecting can be great. plus it has the electric hit so its great
    SIDE SPECIAL
     -HYAHAHAHA multihit + reflect projectiles
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    « Reply #14 on: September 21, 2014, 07:04:17 PM »


    I just want to make clear that when seeing which move is best, you have to think:

    1- Start Up. Does the move start quickly after input?
    2- Hitbox/Range. Is the hitbox big? Does it reach far?
    3 - Invincibility/Hurtbox. Does it make you invincible for some frames? Does it make you less vulnerable?
    4- Knockback/Damage. Does it send the opponent flying? Does it cause big % increase?
    5- Endlag. Does it take too much time before you can perform another action or even move at all?
    6- Punishment. Does it leave you too open if you miss or hit the shield?

    (will edit this info into the OP)

    P.S.: Yeah, I forgot the FAIR. lol

    P.S.2: SonicBrawler, adding a description of your reasons would really help me understand and decide!

    P.S.3: Added Crouch and Crawl into the spoilers.
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