SDo0m's Dark Void: Deadpool Release (pg 512)! Major thanks to Mephisto!

[ToddL]

Technically, the current D Air is just Lucas' D Air with some fiery stuff.  This new D Air actually an altered animation.  It's used very much like Sonic's D Air, but aesthetically it's a fair bit different (I've already swapped the animation from Battle Shadow and edited it a bit to fit more to Shadow).  Furthermore, it'll be somewhat like G&W's D Air in function, except with an additional hit at the beginning.  He will be able to spike on the early hitbox at the tip of his foot (angled spike and a fairly weak one because the move comes out pretty quickly).  I may make it so that it can be slow falled during the descent as well (not too sure though).  Trust me, it'll be more worthwile than the current D Air.

I know the current animation was ripped from Lucas (that actually made me dislike it, at first), but at least it doesn't look or feel like a rip-off of Sonic's Dair, which is what I'm afraid the new one will be =/
I'll be sure to check it out and provide some detailed feedback on it when you release it.

[SiLeNtDo0m]

I know the current animation was ripped from Lucas (that actually made me dislike it, at first), but at least it doesn't look or feel like a rip-off of Sonic's Dair, which is what I'm afraid the new one will be =/
I'll be sure to check it out and provide some detailed feedback on it when you release it.

That said, I just thought of a pretty good idea to make it feel more different.  You'll have to wait and see for when it's done ;)

[DTST]

Will version 2 have chaos control? Only because i'm making the voice pack and with it I can actually test Griffith saying. "chaos control"

[SiLeNtDo0m]

Will version 2 have chaos control? Only because i'm making the voice pack and with it I can actually test Griffith saying. "chaos control"

Yes

[DoctorFlux(Mariodk)]

Chaos control is going to have better PSA Coding
becoz the last Chaos control
Shadow got it just by one/two hits by my Goku PSA ;D

[DTST]

Chaos control on the new moveset should be like in sonic 06

He stands there with his right hand behind his back then pulls a emerald out says "chaaoos CONTROL"(will be like that in my voice pack) the emerald should make one flash then everything goes in slow mo like the original moveset

[OmegaMalkior]

Please help me oh Master of PSA!

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24994.msg504136#msg504136http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=24994.msg504136#msg504136

What am I doing wrong now? :oshi:

[Naruto200Man]

Ehh...I'm kinda tired of spamming random questions in the topic SD, so I'ma shoot ya a pm real quick Kay?

[lYIaXeD OuT]

hey SDo0m, since you're already fixing him :) can you make a version like your old one where his up taunt doesn't spawn weapons?

[Sanitys_Theif]

I didn't remove Chaos Control...though I made a mistake with it so it was really really hard to use.  I've fixed that now.

And from my experience the N Air is anything but useless.  Infact in this release it was his best aerial due to its huge range and the fact that it covers his entire body.  Not to mention its low end lag.  You're literally the only one who has said that it isn't useful.

And I'm definitely NOT changing the Neutral B to Chaos Blast.  So many other Shadow movesets have done it already and it's already the Final Smash.

I'll increase his kill potential a bit, but I'd rather have this PSA slightly underpowered and fun rather than stupidly oped like before.  I honestly don't want to get carried away with buffing him as much as I did before. Most of Shadow's moves aren't designed for killing in this moveset.

N-Air is more a double edged sword, sure the end lag is low, but it has little to no knockback so your opponent can usually hit you before you're able to do anything, and it doesn't have good priority so it's not like it's impenetrable, I'm only saying this out of experience playing lvl 9 computers and a decent fox player

About the Neutral B, that's fine, it's just you should adjust what it is now a bit, it's too cheap as an edgeguard tool and it's rather useless on the ground

It becomes more annoying than fun when you actually want to get on with the match and take off a stock from your opponent but it's taking too long because your character is weak as hell, when I use Shadow, matches are lasting around 5 minutes, because although I have more skill than my opponents, my character is not suited to win, so the match ends up being dragged out and it becomes incredibly annoying to keep on fighting, having to resort to only 2 or 3 attacks that can kill and repeating them just to get on with the match and end it, it would be much more fun to have about 80% of his moveset useful and practical to kill so you can change it up and not have it be so boring to play as him

I'd just increase his killing ability to that of Sheik's at least, she doesn't have incredibly overpowered smashes or tilts or anything, you have to know which moves to use at the right time and combo a person out, but she does have at least a reasonable level of power to use which is what this Shadow is lacking

Just trying to help, I like the new moves but most of them aren't practical to use to keep on progressing with the match

BTW I know the last moveset was OPed, but not on a ridiculous level, he was more like a top tier melee level whereas I would aim for high tier, this new moveset is worse than bottom tier, you went to the exact opposite side of the spectrum, I think it would be best to find a good medium

[Eternal Yoshi]

Which is why I recommended the C-tier range to him. B-tier is great too.

The older moveset was like S-tier(VBrawl Meta Knight)

[SiLeNtDo0m]

Here's what I've done sofar as well as plan on doing:

- Increased speed, reach and knockback of F Smash (all have only been slightlytweaked so it's a more well rounded killing move
- Replaced U Smash animation (it's a smoother one) as well as general damage and knockback tweaks
- D Smash has a bit more reach
- N Air last hitbox has a bit more knockback + N Air landing laghas a hitbox that lasts for 3 frames upon landing and pushes foes away.
- D Air is completely different.  He spins then does a downward kick that spikes the foes down at an angle.  Because if the initial spin forward, it takes a bit to get used to the trajuctory.  If the attack hits Shadow bounces off the foe.
- Neutral B on the ground has more startup and endlag. 
- Fixed the Side B Air
- Fixed the Chaos Control
- Fixed Chaos Blast

There are probably more that I'm forgetting, but that's the majority of them.

[DTST]

Sounds good

Btw I hope you don't mind the port I made SmashHackers seems too  r)

[ToddL]

One last thing I forgot to mention: The sound effect on up throw seems inappropriate.  I would expect it sound similar to Fair, rather than UpB.

- Neutral B on the ground has more startup and endlag.

Do you mean Neutral B in the air?  I thought people were complaining that it was useless on the ground and broken in the air.

[SiLeNtDo0m]

N-B grounded does edgeuard cheaply in the fact that it reverses direction AND pushes the opponent away, if Shadow had an overpowered move, it would be this

Ha ha~, Neutral-B. ¦D *has SO much fun with this one* Trapping opponents with it on the ground is fun, but try using it on someone who is trying to recover. Just jump right above them and keep using it as they try to get back up. Fun trolling. Fun times. ¦3

I guess it's both?

Oh and I finally decided to change the poll :P

Out of curiosity, why is it literally only my PSAs get all these nitpicks?  I'm not angry by any means (in fact I'm quite glad, it's all constructive feedback), just wondering why other PSAs don't...