Brawlbox Resources & History

[Naruto200Man]

Ah okay....
Do you think you could maybe do a mdlo fixer?
Like you know the model fixing thing that fortwaffle made? Except in one program?
It's made in game maker, so you'll probably need to study VB, either that or look at how it works and make it in ur own code XP

[ForOhFor Error]

There IS a text tutorial for fixing MDL0s, you know.

[♤♡◇♧]

If this is more advanced, could you (Tcll) possibly assemble this as an .exe?

[ForOhFor Error]

what's wrong with .py?

[DarkPikachu]

hey 404

you seem to be pretty interested...
1: how much do you know about Py?? (hopefully more than me)
2: would you like to help out??

1. Just the basic commands, a few math functions, the while loop, and text file reading/writing. I'm in a programming course (which is available to freshmen at our school, which is awesome)
2. Sure, but I don't know much about the format. Or anything about 3D model files, really XD

a course... lucky *jelous*
my school's filled with a bunch of retards for teachers :srs:

and about 3D formatting, when I started, I thought I knew everything...
but when it came down to it, all I knew about was verts, normals, UV's, and faces(obj)
now i've been shown a whole new world due to the mdl0

and for helping out,
I'll post the project on google code
you can help out and add notes or whatever there :)

yeh I had a hard time figuring out the for loop as well
but it's as simple as this:

number = [1,3,5,3,7,9]

for n in number:
    print n
>>>
1
3
5
3
7
9

or you can do this:

for I, n in enum(number):
print str(I) + ' ' + str(n)

>>>
1 1
2 3
3 5
4 3
5 7
6 9

I'm doing somethig similar to this for the SCW buttons :D

[DarkPikachu]

If this is more advanced, could you (Tcll) possibly assemble this as an .exe?

there is a way to do it... (compile py into exe)
but I'm not exactly sure how :/

still though...
the py acts as an exe, so it's really NBD

[SmashHackers]

Im unfamiliar with python or how to use this so can anyone explain the basics?

[DarkPikachu]

Im unfamiliar with python or how to use this so can anyone explain the basics?

well first off, do you want to prog, or do you just want to use it??

if you want to program, I've found a guide that taught be the basics well :)
but I forgot where it was...

I'll edit this post when I find it...

EDIT: found it
http://www.sthurlow.com/python/lesson01/

[ForOhFor Error]

I really don't know anything about 3D model files.
Anywhere you can point me to with some notes on them?

[DarkPikachu]

I really don't know anything about 3D model files.
Anywhere you can point me to with some notes on them?

well obj is about the easiest to understand

vert: #3D point position
v X Y Z

normal: #used for face direction
vn X Y Z

uv: #texture position on face
vt X Y

facepoint: #faces connect between verts/uv's
f v,vn,vt #point
f v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt #line
f v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt #tri
f v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt #quad
f v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt  v,vn,vt ... #polygon
(indexes)

so that's the basic model...

I'm still kinda just getting started on materials and shaders,
so I can't really explain anything yet :/

I'm afraid IDK of any good guides yet...
but wiki is ok on 3D stuff :/

[BlackJax96]

Update on the brawlbox mod:
I'm going to edit the parser to support 1.4.1 dae models, which are the most common collada version, after I fix everything else. It might take a while but it'll be much more convenient because I literally cannot get a good collada 1.4.0 exporter and the ones I have now won't export correctly or import correctly. I have no idea why Kryal decided to set up the parser for 1.4.0...

You guys will have a really hard time getting the models in the right format if I don't do this, and that practically defeats the purpose.

[Naruto200Man]

Sounds like everyone's getting where they want to go with their program @+@
Yay for us who suck at vertexing :D
And model hacking....lol

[DarkPikachu]

Sounds like everyone's getting where they want to go with their program @+@
Yay for us who suck at vertexing :D
And model hacking....lol

that would be one of many reasons I'm doing this :D

but srsly...
why simply vertex, when you can dev a completely new char >:D

how bout my char Riku, once I get good at modelling <:(
I'm gonna try to push the mdl0 file to it's limits while using only a small amount of data >:D
how's that sound >:)

eg: rendering actual fur or hair should take less data than using multiple meshes as brawl does
(take a look at the ice climbers hoods)
not only that, but it'd look more hi-res :D

EDIT:
honestly,
if I had the time and what not <_<
I could shrink brawl down by possibly 2GB at most (excluding movies, music, and dummy files)
movies take up ~3GB
dummy files take up ~1.3MB
not to mention making it look alot better :D

EDIT2:
I could prbly get ~0.05GB (50MB) out of the music

[Naruto200Man]

lol

If you do that then yeah
Also we need obj format support for the converter too :D

[DarkPikachu]

lol

If you do that then yeah
Also we need obj format support for the converter too :D

yeh... I intend to make it importable...
got quite a few good ideas passed on to me :)

I'm also gonna try to add advanced conversion methods...
that way it's not just triangles or tri's + quads

I'm gonna try to get linestrips, tristrips, trifans, and quads
(quads if all triangles)
that'll be quite a pain to program...
but I won't regret it when it saves me a ton of space :D

here's an example:

tristrip containing 5 triangles (1 mismatch):
------
------
------
------
------
------
------
------

^8 lines (can be 7 without the mismatch)

now, 5 triangles:
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----
-----

^15 lines

see the difference :P