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[Snoopy]

already done.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=49166.0

wrote it a while ago, but it should still be good. 

[sonicshuffle42]

already done.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=49166.0

wrote it a while ago, but it should still be good. 

Hmmm, I'll have to take a look at That.
Though, I'm not sure who to put the character over XP

[Carnage]

Snoops: Can you make a tutorial on how to edit bones and such for extra arms without messing up the trans N ? Because I have a Skyward Sword Character that I'm dying to import who has four arms.

its no that simple also some chars have bones to spare others dont lucas for example has loads of cloth bones wich can be used for taills wings  and all that stuff

[Demon_of_Elru]

Is it that tough to get the bones working in Brawl. I imported Cerebella from Skull Girls into Brawl over Mario and added arm bones to the HatN Bone and it seemed to work fine.

[Carnage]

Is it that tough to get the bones working in Brawl. I imported Cerebella from Skull Girls into Brawl over Mario and added arm bones to the HatN Bone and it seemed to work fine.

if you add bones then the thrown index will be messed up and maybe even item holding making the grab/throws glitched and holding items with other parts of the body

[Demon_of_Elru]

I just checked I see what you mean, most the small items were in the wrong place when held. I'm assuming there is no way around this for now.

[Carnage]

I just checked I see what you mean, most the small items were in the wrong place when held. I'm assuming there is no way around this for now.

you can fix that but then all the other models even brawl default models would not work since you would change the bones to a new indexes and what not making the moveset
exclusive for that model

[Don Jon Bravo]

i personally do all my bone editing in BrawlBox before i even start rigging, less hassle, and then i only have to do the rig once. 

it was a bit of a simplification that i said they only came out of the BustN.  this is the structure i made for Machamp.

i gave him ShoulderNb type bones that are positioned to be above the first set, then the rest of the extra arm bones will be named the same as the first set, that way the second set will have full motion as well.


and basically this.  bone edits usually aren't necessary, and can be complicated, but can be very worth it.  and i tend to over complicate things anyways.

correct me if im wrong
but you cant have 2 bones named the same in brawlbox...
O.o

[StupidMarioFan1]

correct me if im wrong but you cant have 2 bones named the same in brawlbox... O.o

^this, I know that after a quick update to v0.67, Jax made it so Subaction names could be teh same in a FitCharacter.pac, but two bones can't be the same last time I checked.
Also bone indexes can be changed when making a full PSA, but when making a one-slot hack, the indexes need to be the same, though it doesn't matter what bones are parented by what, like my SM64 Mario Bros, I edited the finger bones to be 0,0,0 translated from the HandN bones, renamed them, messed with the bone structure so there weren't any HandBlankM bones parenting each other, and then rigged the extra hands. The RHaveN, ThrownN, and so on was still in the right index, and so nothing was messed up gameplay, or graphic-wise, besides needing a one-slot motion file to make the multiple hands appear whenever I wanted.
Also to avoid too much off topic, who wants this 64bit Final Boss?

And these Hi Res Koopas?

[Don Jon Bravo]

they look cool
but i want that stage

[Snoopy]

I just checked I see what you mean, most the small items were in the wrong place when held. I'm assuming there is no way around this for now.

there is.  you just have to adjust the RHaveN index to be the same as it was before the edits.

correct me if im wrong
but you cant have 2 bones named the same in brawlbox...
O.o

you can have bones named the same.  it'll simply apply the same animation to them.  i did this with my Klonoa import, the ear bones are named the same as each other.

[Iwvi]

correct me if im wrong
but you cant have 2 bones named the same in brawlbox...
O.o

I think you can (I once did so by accident), at least inside brawlbox, not sure in game.

I just checked I see what you mean, most the small items were in the wrong place when held. I'm assuming there is no way around this for now.

Yes there is, You could move other bones around to make sure you get indexes as close as possible.

ninja'd on both answers

[Don Jon Bravo]

there is.  you just have to adjust the RHaveN index to be the same as it was before the edits.

you can have bones named the same.  it'll simply apply the same animation to them.  i did this with my Klonoa import, the ear bones are named the same as each other.

I think you can (I once did so by accident), at least inside brawlbox, not sure in game.
Yes there is, You could move other bones around to make sure you get indexes as close as possible.

ninja'd on both answers

Weird
I just tried it and it worked
wtf man?

[Snoopy]

huh.  so BB .67 doesn't allow bones to be named the same.  odd.  it works in the .66 version, which is what i usually use.

[Don Jon Bravo]

lol
yea i tried it on 66b
i guess the first time i tried it was in the 67 version which threw me off