(Naruto VS Cloud possible!) Replacing characters with other Brawl characters

Started by ♤♡◇♧, April 03, 2010, 08:14:09 PM

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When I saw the vid Joshl92 made of the two Link PSA's at once (found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8tFcwYnfc ), I asked him what he did.
He said he only renamed FitLink.pac to FitToonLink.pac and placed those Link files in the Toon Link folder.
At first I didn't believe him, but after I tried to do it myself, I found out that it really worked (shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuREv2RdUwo ).
I wondered why this was possible and if it would work for other characters.
I tried bluntly replacing characters with Cloud, only to find out it didn't work.
That's when I thought about the wholu module thing.
So I looked into both Link's and Toon Link's module file with Phantom Wings Module viewer (a program called aU2f91.exe which he posted on Smash Boards for people who actually know how to edit modules, which I don't know) and saw that Link and Toon Link have the same amount of Constructor lines.
So I went to look into Ike's module file and find a character with the same amount of Constructor lines as Ike and I found out that Meta Knight has the same amount of Constructor lines.
So I went on and did the same thing I did with Link and renamed the files to match Meta Knight's name and putted it into the Meta Knight folder.
And guess what?
IT WORKED!!!
Well, to an extent...
Here is the proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLlh63LO-PA
Try doing it yourself if you don't believe me, you will be surprised.



Well then...
Anyway, have you tried this procedure on any other characters.

Nice find but i thought phantom hasn't released the module viewer yet apparently i was wrong


Also, for fans of Shadow VS Sonic, Sonic is interchangeable with both Luigi and Marth (Sonic's specials won't do a thing though).

Quote from: Chuy on April 03, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
Nice find but i thought phantom hasn't released the module viewer yet apparently i was wrong
It's a developer kind of viewer which crashes alot and cannot edit without proper knowledge Phantom Wings has.
I only used it to view the module files, not to edit them (I didn't edit anything).

Quote from: Segtendo on April 03, 2010, 08:36:32 PM
Link to program?
Here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tmwwykzgytz
Credit to Phantom Wings.
It's only a viewer which let you see offsets.

That can be very interesting. But a few questions : if you do that, what does happen to MK? Can you do that with two simple PSA (like Cloud and Aeon)?  Does it freeze the game or is it bugless? In the video we can see in the begening that Cloud stays in T stance is it because of that?

Quote from: Feanor on April 03, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
That can be very interesting. But a few questions : if you do that, what does happen to MK? Can you do that with two simple PSA (like Cloud and Aeon)?  Does it freeze the game or is it bugless? In the video we can see in the begening that Cloud stays in T stance is it because of that?
Cloud (and Ike) can't use A moves when doing this.
That's why it T-stanced.
And at least for Ike it is a bit buggy and freezy.

EDIT: Here's a list of the amount of Constructors of each character,
Each character that matches in number are interchangeable:

Captain Falcon 8
King Dedede 16
Diddy Kong 15
Donkey Kong 15
Falco 1
Fox 1
Mr. Game and Watch 17
Ganondorf 7
Ice Climbers 13
Ike 6
Kirby 15
Bowser 9
Link 9
Lucario 5
Lucas 15
Luigi 5
Mario 7
Marth 5
Meta Knight 6
Ness 19
Peach 4
Pikachu 8
Olimar 17
Pit 7
Pokemon Trainer(all poké's) 7
Jigglypuff 5
R.O.B. 7
Samus/ZSS 12
Snake 9
Sonic 5
Toon Link 9
Wario 27
Wolf 1
Yoshi 18
Fighting Alloy Team 4
Zelda 23

Ike can go over Marth. I've fought CoN Naruto with Ike before to compare the 2. Ike's specials didn't work though.

Quote from: dingoberriz on April 04, 2010, 12:11:05 AM
Ike can go over Marth. I've fought CoN Naruto with Ike before to compare the 2. Ike's specials didn't work though.
Your right.
His Up-B freezes though.
But he works better than done over Meta Knight.


Quote from: dingoberriz on April 04, 2010, 12:25:30 AM
Tested that a lot. Up-B freezes only if you hit them.
Me it freezes just right after execution.
N-B seems to work perfectly though.
Also, Ike over Marth is an exception of the rule as for Ike over Jigglypuff didn't work.

If Ike didn't have such complicated hard coding Coud over Marth could work.

Quote from: dingoberriz on April 04, 2010, 12:30:41 AM
If Ike didn't have such complicated hard coding Coud over Marth could work.
I'm going to test that out.
Also, it may be something File Size Limit related for why Ike over Marth did work and Ike over Jigglypuff didn't.
EDIT: Cloud worked and his Up-B only froze when I hit the opponent.
The Specials worked like normal (beside some looking really weird, like his Air Side-B).