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[we don't care]

It's not that we don't care. Would any of you really say I don't care?

Ok, you care.
How about the rest of the staff that hasn't done anything at all for the longest time? A lot of them not even logging in.

I wholeheartedly agree. Problem is that Vyse is the sole programmer of the Vault. I tried to do as much as I could with the Forums (Talked to everyone until we finally chose how to re-structure the forums for Sm4sh, managed to get a hold of the dead S.J.S. to help with the forum re-skin for when Sm4sh Vault came, and tried to keep the Vault Staff alive while others just quit), but until Vyse manages to finish the Vault Update in his free time, I'm really limited as to what else I could help with.

Does he even work on it at all anymore?
Does he even intend to finish it?
Because as far as most people can see he spends all his free time playing video games and the like.

And nobody can blame him.
As someone who works and keeps himself busy all day, I'd rather have fun with games and watching movies than working on a side project that I've lost interest in.

But still a bummer that it's been quite a long time and the Vault doesn't seem to go anywhere.
And it means the site is just gonna stay dead.

Also, all of us are doing this for free. Vyse's actually using his money to keep this alive. There's not even a donate button anymore as Vyse didn't even care to move it to the board after removing the blog.

Then bring it back, accept donations, include ads.
No need for Vyse to absorb the whole cost.

At least GB has stable servers.

I would have said that was a good joke a couple years ago.
I haven't had any errors or problems with the current server.

Hell, I'll even take the time to make a spiffy updated skin for the forum for free.
And I'll provide the new flavor of emoticons too.
Can't offer to update brawlvault since Vyse is the only one who can touch it.

I seriously can't believe most people are using that atrocious banana site for their source on sm4sh mods, while we have the best possible platform to showcase smash content just accumulating dust.

So hey, how about those brawl vault updates to support sm4sh mods and downloads?
How about the new emoticons?
How about the new forum skin to replace the old and unappealing one we have by default?

I know you staff members don't give a crap about this forum, but it would be nice to try to revive it.
You know, so that the work people put into this place years ago doesn't go to waste.

We had a redesign and a new vault planned for a couple months now, but Vyse has been busy.

So in other words, we won't get anything.
Welp.
Maybe in a couple years.

So now that the forums are in a stable state, can we get a new skin and new emotes?
Or do you guys want to keep this outdated look and the brawl stock pics forever?

So many old faces like GreenThunda, DMN, Deathstroke, Nasoka, Crackerwolf, Random, and Claise.

Cracker and Random are still hanging around in the KCMM furry Skype chatroom.

So that's where they were, trapped in hell.

...Wait Random is? Wasn't one of his things was that he was against the Furries of the family?
And it'd be a shame if that was the case.

Random is a closet furry.
He's the furriest of them all.

I hate this.
I hate Nepeta.
And I hate you.

I hope y'all get stabbed by a cat in a back alley.

We all just want model imports.

Nah, speak for yourself.
I don't want random badly rigged models of characters with very different and clashing styles.
We already have Brawl and Mugen for that.

So, can we have the opinions from people that have actually been remotely active around here and actually read the arguments posited before, or should I just take a cup of coffee while the Nanobuds fans parot the same 4 lines?

Do I count on this?
I'm pretty much a neutral party, I have been around for a loooooooooong time and even if I don't post in hacking threads I lurk around all of them.


First let me say that the display of bickering from both sides is ludicrous.
We all know how stubborn, condescending, and self-righteous some of the people involved in this can get.
Miacis shouldn't be mocking and taunting others with witty sarcastic comments or his avatar and personal text; Nano shouldn't go to other sites, get people riled up and bring them here to target the people he disagrees with.

First of all clear your minds, let your heads cool down, act a little bit mature, and then discuss these issues with civility instead of constantly jumping at each other.
There's been animosity between KCMM and PM members for a long time, and seems people in both sides still resent it, how about leaving that aside too?

It would have been much better to have this conversation between the KCMM and ex-PM staff somewhere else to reach a middle ground and final decision.



Now, as for the main issue; some people here are complaining about theft and making analogies but this is not your average case of burglary, we're talking about files that were leaked, that have been circulating around the internet for months now.
People already have these files, they've already modified them, used them, added to them, complemented them. Whether they're allowed into the vault or not is not gonna change the fact that those files are currently hosted somewhere in the internet being downloaded and shared.

The people who downloaded those files, edit them and upload them somewhere else aren't thieves, they're not stealing, they're just using them, and ultimately sharing them.
The only "thief" would be the person who got the files and leaked them in the first place. If you want to point fingers and blame it on someone, that's the person you should go after.


When you read the vault rules that have been in place for years, and the specific set of rules for these PM files, the staff's decision is simply to allow users to share their edits to files that are already available to people.
That's it.
Banning it from the vault won't make it disappear from the web, and people who upload edits to that work won't get praise as creators of the content, since pretty much everyone will know who made the work originally.


Personally, I never liked the system of "as long as you credit the original creator you can upload your version without asking for permission", but if it wasn't in place, a lot of improved versions of older content or new content taking little bits of pieces from others would never see the light of day. Which would be a shame in a community and storage system where the main point is sharing everyone's work.

I totally get the anger and frustration that comes from someone making minor edits to your work and uploading it on their own; I mean, it happened to me back in the day; but in the end, people are forced to give proper credit where credit is due and it gives more options to choose from to the users downloading content.


Now, some complaints are about the original creator's wishes.
I don't know, but I highly doubt that Nano alone or all these PM fans can talk on behalf of all the other people that worked on that PM content.
Some might not dislike the idea of the files getting shared, some might want to complete it and release them themselves later on, some might prefer to keep the files to themselves and never share them with anyone.
In that case, wouldn't it be better if each of those people directly involved approached the staff and talked to them about what they think and want?

It would be great if the people who worked directly in those files were willing to discuss it with the staff here and reach a middle point of agreement.
It would also be great if the staff here was willing to ultimately follow and support the decision of the ex-PM members whose work is directly involved.



A lot of you guys have used this just as an excuse to white-knight your beloved ex-PM staff and to lash out against the evil KCMM staff.
Some are even unable to detect sarcasm in a mocking post.
People like that are not worth talking with in this case, just makes the debate go in circles.
Which is why again, I propose this is taken to another place and only discussed between the direct involved people.

Conglaturation.

First new server and now getting rid of dead people and promoting the people who actually are active and still keep an eye on the forums.
Good stuff.

Too bad Seg didn't get promoted to Admin.  :-\

A couple years late, but finally!
And it only took the life of PM to give new life to this forum.

I'd press F, but nothing of value was lost.

We can worry about having 1 topic dedicated to all sm4sh hacking when there's more hacks and people making threads for the exact same info.
And we can worry about having a sub-section with different topics when sm4sh hacking becomes actually big.

Yeah, because breaking that huge Sm4sh thread into its own sub-section for people to freely discuss specific topics is the same as a generaofficial thread. r)

I also like using the r) , can I join?

Now people can post about Sm4sh in 3 different topics instead of 1. r)
Thanks for saving the world Anti-Christ sama r)

BlackJax and Tcll joined forces to make this happen. so its legit.

Tcll?



Good one, man.