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« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2011, 03:56:20 PM »


Well masal,Carnage is right,if you want the Animations you must pur a determinated moveset for them.
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    « Reply #61 on: June 05, 2011, 04:05:26 PM »


    Just for this, don't even dare give him a second chance.. Undeserved. Rudeness while asking to be part of a project, what a paradox. He's telling you to shut up, he's called you an idiot, he called the project stupid, said it's not a great idea, he doesn't care what you say, and he wants to be back on the team?

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    I didn't call him idiot,just said the Project was a bit stupid.And still thinking isn't a good idea,but while my Mewtwo Project is uncomplete I have nothing more to do here (Only join me in some Project team).And I think that ''Take back everything he said'' and ''Shut up'' are the same thing.If it isn't tell me please.Did you understand?

    I don't know yet. Im thinking not. HOWEVER i still want you to remake the animations, blackfox. At least do it to make up for your selfishness, if anything. You kinda owe me, if you look at it from my point of view. And why would you tell me to shut up? How do i know i can trust you to make what i ask this time? Trust is the key dude.

    wow flamewars is not a good thing for a project also when will we see the planed moveset?

    carnage: i will not answer that.

    Well masal,Carnage is right,if you want the Animations you must pur a determinated moveset for them.

    which is why i asked for help with moveset ideas.
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    « Reply #62 on: June 05, 2011, 04:12:06 PM »


    Hum... At the same time masal, you have some parts of the moveset already imagined, and this is enough for animations to be done. Besides, and this is for Carnage too, releasing a moveset, complete or not, is only the decision of the head of the project, if masal doesn't want to release the moveset he has in mind, he's not forced to do it, as long as the animators know precisely what animation they need to do, which was already the case, it's enough.
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    « Reply #63 on: June 05, 2011, 04:18:53 PM »


    Hum... At the same time masal, you have some parts of the moveset already imagined, and this is enough for animations to be done. Besides, and this is for Carnage too, releasing a moveset, complete or not, is only the decision of the head of the project, if masal doesn't want to release the moveset he has in mind, he's not forced to do it, as long as the animators know precisely what animation they need to do, which was already the case, it's enough.
    wow i wanst demanding i was just asking i dont want to get involved in the fight i was asking because if he needs ideas i have them since i play pokemon since the red and blue and i still do even now and i dont just play pokemon for fun i play competitevly like i iv breed  ,i ev train and so on  so im just saying if you need ideias for a darkrai moveset i know alot atleast for is B attacks and FS
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    « Reply #64 on: June 05, 2011, 04:19:54 PM »


    Well,I'm not that Animator type.I'll make a moveset for Darkrai in a new thread because you (masal) don't have any idea for the moveset.
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    « Reply #65 on: June 05, 2011, 04:21:21 PM »


    Carnage: What I said in my last post has nothing to do with this fight.

    And if you have ideas for the moveset of Darkrai, in that case, give your suggestions to masal. (This is for Carnage)
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    « Reply #66 on: June 05, 2011, 04:29:51 PM »


    A character's moveset, such as my Dante and MMZ Zero Projects doesn't need a planned moveset set on a page for everyone, it's for the project manager, PSA'er, and Animator to know. There is no "type of animator" in this case, as he's technically explaining it to you as you go. And he does have ideas, he even has my fully planned Darkrai moveset as an idea set he can use as a back up!

    Also, by calling his project idiotic, correct adjective, you're also calling him one as he is the creator.

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    « Reply #67 on: June 05, 2011, 04:42:07 PM »


    1.-Well,idiotic,as you want.
    2.-Ok with take back
    3.-Naaaa I'll anyways make a Moveset
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    « Reply #68 on: June 05, 2011, 06:13:29 PM »


    wow i wanst demanding i was just asking i dont want to get involved in the fight i was asking because if he needs ideas i have them since i play pokemon since the red and blue and i still do even now and i dont just play pokemon for fun i play competitevly like i iv breed  ,i ev train and so on  so im just saying if you need ideias for a darkrai moveset i know alot atleast for is B attacks and FS

    I would love to hear them carnage! Ill make a txt document with sections. One section for each person's ideas.


    Well,I'm not that Animator type.I'll make a moveset for Darkrai in a new thread because you (masal) don't have any idea for the moveset.

    Dont you dare make another thread for ideas. just give em to me. Darkrai has like 3-4 threads alredy. Please, just give me ideas.

    If this "fight" continues i will make sure a mod or admin  deals with it. In other words, STOP DISCUSSING IT! This thread from now on will resume being about my hacks and projects. People with ideas for darkrai shall now give me your ideas and i will make a full moveset out of all of them combined, with the ideas from each that i like most.
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    « Reply #69 on: June 05, 2011, 06:23:25 PM »


    AAA: Two diagonal slashes followed by a small dark pulse from his hand, palm sized.
               Right arm dgnl slash to left, left arm dgnl slash to right, stretch out right arm and Mini-Dark Pulse
       Forward A: A Forward  punch with darkness
       Down A: Slashes arms to each side.
       Up A: A spinning uppercut with darkness, rises slightly.

       Forward Smash: I was thinking a cross slash with darkness.
       Down Smash: Creates a pillar of Darkness on each side that causes sleep and flower effect.
       Up Smash: A swirling vortex of wind upwards, he moves both arms up and has a Mini-Dark Pulse.
                         Wind pulls in towards the darkness.

       Neutral B: Ominous Wind. Chargeable, damaging, cutting winds swirl forward with darkness.
       Forward B: Faint Attack. Same as Ganon's Side B, but instead he teleports forward the distance.
                         reappears when he makes contact and performs Ganon's Side B.
       Down B: Dark Pulse. A wave of dark energy spreads around Darkrai to his sides.
       Up B: Same as Charizard's but darkness instead of Fire, claw slash with last spin, like Link's Up B.

       In air, B shoots down Diagonal, Forward B is same, Down B makes him dive, Up B is same.

       Neutral Aerial = Spin Slash
       Forward = Mini-Dark Pulse forward
       Down = Dark 180 swing downwards
       Up = Overhead spreading swing
       Back = Turn around and Mini-Dark Pulse

       Final Smash: Dark Void, Darkrai gets surrounded by a dark bubble but he's still visible. everyone in it takes
                            damage and falls asleep, if shielding it the get shield break. Size of Nega Zone.
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    « Reply #70 on: June 05, 2011, 07:35:21 PM »


    Thanx, ill save it in the text document i made.

    For anyone who wishes to see the ideas i have collected so far, here they are:

    My Ideas:
    b- darkrai will use Dark Void, which basically would use the same graphic effect as aura sphere, only it should do less damage, and put the enemy to sleep.
    Up=B- Darkrai will teleport and pop up to attack an unsuspectind enemy (shadow force)
    side=b- darkrai charges up a shadow ray, making the enemy cringe and take heavy damage upon impact.
    down=b- darkrai sinks into the ground, acting as a shadow, causing all opponents to cringe, leaving them vulnerable for future attacks

    a- darkrai will braces itself for recoil,  and uses a weak yet effective attack which does damage, and puts the foe to sleep for a short period of time.
    side=a- darkrai creates a shield of darkness and flies across the stage in one direction, instantly damaging all foes in it's path
    up=a- darknes rises up around darkrai,  causing foes to be trapped in a forceful rise of damage.

    down smash- darkrai creates a  self propelled projectile of itself, and rises up to do a dark attack, where orbs of darkness fly around him, damaging all who oppose hevily
    up smash- darkrai  charges up and calls forth the power of darkness, causind his hands to turn into liquid evil, and slashing down nearby foes.

    FINAL SMASH- darkrai summons the last of his power, and and shoots beams of death horizontally and vertically, almost killing every one of his opponents.

    xZedkiel's Ideas:
    AAA: Two diagonal slashes followed by a small dark pulse from his hand, palm sized.
               Right arm dgnl slash to left, left arm dgnl slash to right, stretch out right arm and Mini-Dark Pulse
       Forward A: A Forward  punch with darkness
       Down A: Slashes arms to each side.
       Up A: A spinning uppercut with darkness, rises slightly.

       Forward Smash: I was thinking a cross slash with darkness.
       Down Smash: Creates a pillar of Darkness on each side that causes sleep and flower effect.
       Up Smash: A swirling vortex of wind upwards, he moves both arms up and has a Mini-Dark Pulse.
                         Wind pulls in towards the darkness.

       Neutral B: Ominous Wind. Chargeable, damaging, cutting winds swirl forward with darkness.
       Forward B: Faint Attack. Same as Ganon's Side B, but instead he teleports forward the distance.
                         reappears when he makes contact and performs Ganon's Side B.
       Down B: Dark Pulse. A wave of dark energy spreads around Darkrai to his sides.
       Up B: Same as Charizard's but darkness instead of Fire, claw slash with last spin, like Link's Up B.

       In air, B shoots down Diagonal, Forward B is same, Down B makes him dive, Up B is same.

       Neutral Aerial = Spin Slash
       Forward = Mini-Dark Pulse forward
       Down = Dark 180 swing downwards
       Up = Overhead spreading swing
       Back = Turn around and Mini-Dark Pulse

       Final Smash: Dark Void, Darkrai gets surrounded by a dark bubble but he's still visible. everyone in it takes
                            damage and falls asleep, if shielding it the get shield break. Size of Nega Zone.

    Weyard's Ideas:
    Neutral A(Attack11)- He lowers his head, and brings his arms in front of his face. Then tilts his head back and throws his arms back, "releasing energy". It is only 58 frames long, so this is a pretty fast attack. Ideally, it will end up being a single attack, with his entire body as a hitbox, doing slight damage. If the opponent is especially close it can put them to sleep.

    So he will not be using Attack12 or Attack13. They can just be bypassed in PSA once we get to that point.

    UpA- I have him turning toward the screen slightly and raising one arm. Moving like you would if you were to just lightly toss something over your head. In PSA, he'll need a graphic effect to come out of the ground and swirl around him, going upward. This one is 35 frames.

    UpSmash-
    AttackHi4Start- Darkrai turns toward the screen and brings both arms high above his head.
    AttackHi4Hold- Darkrai's hands are now larger than normal and are shaking over his head.
    AttackHi4- With enlarged arms, Darkrai sweeps his hands down on both sides. The hitbox would need to be attached to his hands, so that it can hit above him as well as on the sides throughout the animation.
    I had some trouble with this animation. He seems to wiggle in place for some reason. At some point during it, he started rotating really badly and I had to fix it. Do to this, his arms don't come down evenly. Whoever takes over the animations after me can probably re-align them so it looks a bit better. He will need a graphic effect attached to his hands during the frames where his arms come down.

    ForwardA- I have him floating forward quickly and shoving his hands forward, as though he's pushing the opponent away from him. The tilt's AttackS3Hi and AttackS3Lw are also finished. He just moves his hands higher or lower than the neutral position.


    NOTE: WEYARD'S IDEAS WERE ALREADY MADE, BUT SOME OF THE ANIMATIONS NEED TO BE SEMI-REDONE

    IF ANYONE HAS ANY MORE IDEAS FOR A DARKRAI MOVESET, PLEASE POST THEM HERE. THANK YOU
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    « Reply #71 on: June 05, 2011, 08:43:26 PM »


    You're Up B idea makes no sense, Darkrai can't use Shadowforce XD
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    « Reply #72 on: June 05, 2011, 10:01:52 PM »


    THIS IS INTENSE!!!!!!

    just remember ghost type moves are shadow, nigtht and curses
    dark type is based in ALL SCARY FEELINGS no shadow no darkness no emo(thats why the goth pokemon species are psychic type not dark)

    and darkrai is a nightmare=scare=feeling=no darkness

    the literal traduction of dark type should be sinister type(死傷率) but is called dark type to dont scare american kids
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    « Reply #73 on: June 06, 2011, 01:45:36 AM »


    here is my idea for some moves
    Down B --dark pulse a quick dark  ring appears around darkrai and spreads a little it could also refelct projectiles

    N-B Focus blast Focus blast is red ball same as shadow ball but red and its a fighting move because competitively darkrai would never use shadow ball becuase it has random coverage with dark attacks xD so this attack could be chargable and thrown like shadow ball only needs a new texture(see here waht focus blast looks like http://www.pocketmonsters.net/attacks/411)

    Side B-- Dark void a small dark sphere appear around darkrai and anyone in it goes to sleep like jiglypuff sing except it last a bit longer also more damage more sleep time

    Up B -- sucker Punch darkrai disapears and appears higher and does an upercut on the oponenet  thats why its called sucker punch xD

    FS Dark Void -- Dark void should be exactly like luigis FS i mean its perfect since oponents cant move take damage since darkrai as bad dreams ability it woukd fit also while darkrai was in his FS he should recover damage when he hitted an oponenet by using dream eater
     
    since darkrai has no legs all his attacks could be punches or headbuts also

    side smash should be brick break at full damage  it should break shields xD

    also for WTF moves shy not give darkrai ice beam i know but he can learn ice beam xD if ice beam would be in it should go to Side B
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    « Reply #74 on: June 06, 2011, 04:36:18 AM »


    You're Up B idea makes no sense, Darkrai can't use Shadowforce XD


    Then we shall change up b to your idea, xZedkiel. Wink

    THIS IS INTENSE!!!!!!

    just remember ghost type moves are shadow, nigtht and curses
    dark type is based in ALL SCARY FEELINGS no shadow no darkness no emo(thats why the goth pokemon species are psychic type not dark)

    and darkrai is a nightmare=scare=feeling=no darkness

    the literal traduction of dark type should be sinister type(死傷率) but is called dark type to dont scare american kids


    just look at this. Primarily 0:17-0:25 of te video. That could be a move where darkrai charges forward with only his shadow showing then rises and uses a shadowball/focus blast*refer to carnage's post for focus blast explanation.)
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-jI2Xfgpk" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-jI2Xfgpk</a>


    Also, for a dark void reference, look at 0:53-1:03 of this video:
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBbBDJFVcEk" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBbBDJFVcEk</a>


    And for focus blast, refer to 1:30-1:37 of the following video: ***ALSO LOOK AT HOW DARKRAI'S LOSING ANIMATION IS. I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO TRY AND MAKE IT FOR HIS LOSING ANIMATION***
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlAQyrPDyc" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlAQyrPDyc</a>
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