Tormod's PSAnimations: Biggoron Sword Link Complete

[Riddler]

To make it more interesting, we should come up with different ways the Pledges can work depending on who activates.

The one I posted before I still would like to use.

Anyone have any other combinations of the three moves they can think of?

This is how the pledges work in the game:
Fire+Water - Probability of secondary effects is increased for four turns (A rainbow appeared in the sky on your team's side!)
Fire+Grass - Opponents take 1/18th damage at the end of each turn for four turns (A sea of fire enveloped the foe's team!)
Grass+Water - Opponents team's speed is cut for four turns.

[Tobi]

three different fs is OP. i think it would take to much filesize anyway

the only pokemon it think need new moves was blastoise with the up b and a semi change in side b

charizard needs something new maybe he could get project m's up grab

[Riddler]

three different fs is OP. i think it would take to much filesize anyway

the only pokemon it think need new moves was blastoise with the up b and a semi change in side b

charizard needs something new maybe he could get project m's up grab

...how is it OP? You can't use them simultaneously. And he already said that's what he's doing anyway.

[Tobi]

he didnt say he is having 3 like that i think he sais they would be single for there fs if he makes 3

[BlueBrain]

I was thinking Hydro Cannon, which is the new Hydro Pump.

Point still stands. Solarbeam needs to recharge and you don't see that in the game, so you can suspend disbelief on Pledge's being stronger.

ur confusing with hyper beam, wich needs recharge, solar beam needs charging, not recharge...

[Carnage]

ur confusing with hyper beam, wich needs recharge, solar beam needs charging, not recharge...

also if its sunny day then solar beam needs no charge and for everyone to know competitively fire blast, hydro pump and solarbeam(on sunny day teams) they are used quite often especially on weather teams or mixed attackers movesets wich attack phisically and specialy

[AnImAiNe]

to save yourself coding time coulnt you leave the down b where it is and make thee fourth move an a+b attack or would everyone be against that?

[Carnage]

to save yourself coding time coulnt you leave the down b where it is and make thee fourth move an a+b attack or would everyone be against that?

well making solarbeam/leaf storm,fire blast and hydro pump an A+B would be nice  but the i would really prefer a downB move since a+b moves are wierd imo

[Tormod]

i think it would take to much filesize anyway

the only pokemon it think need new moves was blastoise with the up b and a semi change in side b

charizard needs something new maybe he could get project m's up grab

Yes, There is very little space on the trainer's PSA from what I've experienced. And I'm not sure what project M's grab is for charizard, I was thinking maybe having him fly up then swoop back down and slam the foe into the ground. Could be a down grab too.
While where on the subject, the other things I was thinking of changing on Charizard is his Up Air and Dash Attack. I think they could be replaced with something more interesting.
Blastoise's Up tilt and Up air are also meh.
Venusaur's up tilt and forward smash as well seem a bit out of place since he's so large.
If people have suggestions for those lesser moves, I'd like to hear them.

he didnt say he is having 3 like that i think he sais they would be single for there fs if he makes 3

Yes, this is true. I honestly think it would be more interesting to have 3 separate final smashes that aren't all just a blend of all three pokemon's specials. I've begun to add Final smash subactions for the three pokemon so they can do their own thing, and I can code it on their PSA's and not load it all on the trainer's PSA.

I'm actually very surprised at the poll results. It's clear that people want SB, HP, and FB in a regular moveset. And apparently everyone prefers it not only on the individual slots but also on the trianer's pokemon... What happened to the thought that most people just use individual slots? Maybe I'm just old school... But when I played pokemon as a kid, there wasn't anything to top these moves.

As of right now, my decision stands that if you want to use those SB, HP and FB without a smash ball, you'll have to use individual slots. These will also be different graphics, since you need one of the trainers articles to be summoned in order for the original brawls graphics to be summoned.

For those who want to use the trainer, your pokemon will have a much more theatrical and visually pleasing SB, FB and HP as final smashes. As a FS, you can implement slow motion, more interesting camra angles, and best of all the games actual graphics for these moves.
Solar Beam if you're using Venusar,
Hydro Pump if your're using Blastoise,
Fire Blast if you're using Charizard.

UNLESS people would really rather have Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon, and Leaf Storm as final smashes. I would consider that, they would still be separate final smashes though.

[Riddler]

It's a bit disappointing that we'll have to choose between Individuals or Pokemon Trainer, since I'm sure you can't have both versions simultaneously.  I don't see the point of a poll if you're gonna ignore it, but it's your PSA.

Since your whole idea is that it's Pokemon Trainer, not individuals, making each FS individual seems a bit backwards. You'd think the Pledges or Triple Finish would fit your plan perfectly. When I said make each one different depending on who initiated it, I meant keeping all three but having a different "Leader", where the main effect of the attack is different, but they're all there.

[AnImAiNe]

either set of final smashes is cool for me
the first set is cool because those are retro ultimate attacks for their types

the other set is cool becuase they are the new move introduced in the updated original games
except leaf storm

i also thought of slude bomb for a possible b attack since venesaur does not have any poisen type attacks in brawl. you could use the same gfx as petey pirana's final smash

[Tormod]

It's a bit disappointing that we'll have to choose between Individuals or Pokemon Trainer, since I'm sure you can't have both versions simultaneously.  I don't see the point of a poll if you're gonna ignore it, but it's your PSA.

Since your whole idea is that it's Pokemon Trainer, not individuals, making each FS individual seems a bit backwards. You'd think the Pledges or Triple Finish would fit your plan perfectly. When I said make each one different depending on who initiated it, I meant keeping all three but having a different "Leader", where the main effect of the attack is different, but they're all there.

You don't have to choose. You get to choose. It actually opens up more options to please more people, not just one group that wants one thing. The point of the poll is to see what people are thinking. 6 people chose one thing, 9 chose another. When it comes down to it, anyone can vote, but I'm the one who codes, and my personal preference lies with the 6. But for the 9's sake, the individual option will be granted.

Brawl has already done the combined approach, with three fully evolved pokemon, I like the idea of giving them each their own finish. The Elemental pledge does sound cool, don't get me wrong, but to make the pledge final smash, and to make it different for each one who initiated it, but still keep 3 elemental graphics in each one will take up a lot of coding space, and I can see the dead end already. The other reason that I keep mentioning  that is getting overlooked is that all three pokemon cannot be summoned at once. The original brawl final smash uses an article of the pokemon trainer that looks like the three pokemon. As I said before, when I edit that article, the edits do not show up in the game, so that's one more barrier I would need to find a way around.
Also, if I was trying to do damage to something by hitting it with fire, it seems like I wouldn't want to add wet leaves to the mix. I know the games do but that's just my opinion lol.

[Riddler]

If you're going to make the individuals with down-b's for those who want it, would you still be able to include that version with a Pokemon Trainer who can change via taunt? That way we can still use Pokemon Trainer if we choose (that still has exhaustion/switch), or Individuals if we choose?

[The Main Event]

Maybe I'm just old school... But when I played pokemon as a kid, there wasn't anything to top these moves.

That's what I was thinking as well 

[Todd_Ingram]

I just wanted to pop in and say that these look very good!